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check yeah you want to play play what back okay we're gonna do we can't do a hangout we've got a 1 megabit upload in our charming Airbnb all right trade show shenanigans were on the ground in Berlin I mean from New York last week to German he this week I've been in five different time zones over eight days and I think it shows in our face yeah definitely because we've already been working here for for four days now five days yeah so that's trade show life for you you gotta hit the ground running you gotta hit it hard but thank you for joining us for episode two six eight of the pocket now weekly I've probably gotten that wrong but I'm sure Jules will just that in and fix it for me with Jose but the cute read ever we've we've already spent a day on the show floor we've taken meetings with a number of companies off the show floor some really great hands-on experiences with gadgets coming out the latter half of 2017 and we're gonna share our thoughts with the share thoughts on some of the things that we've seen some of the things we've enjoyed I I think I want to kick it off with the first thing that we actually did here together which was Samsung yeah so their press conference I mean even I kind of made a little fun of them that they made such a big deal out of curator you man you mean the artificial intelligence for watching machine yeah so okay appliances are a huge deal for Aoife and that's not something that we really cover know and here's here's the thing I mean Aoife is probably the largest trade show by size and it's also what are the most completed my most complete I mean not only can the public come in to eat out but people can actually buy their artificial intelligence Wow yeah and Aoife and so the show is mostly based on everything and therefore mobile is just part of it right sort of the complexity of CES but just a lot more complex and so the you know I found that interesting I mean never have I been to a press event well no I did once at CES where you know the the Android powered toaster and the and there was the Bluetooth connected trashcan I remember that one Twitter powered refrigerator from Sam's all these things were announced at a CES ones we made fun of it because obviously we're used to these companies using the trade show more for mobile and computers which is the hottest products they sell and no this this event was about the a washing machine right but also the new Samsung gear lineup absolutely and the way the company is pushing their their focus into wearables and this was interesting I mean a lot of people I was expecting an update to the gear s 3 mm-hmm to a certain degree I am NOT disappointed that there was it an upgrade I'm really happy there wasn't a direct upgrade because I mean timepieces should not be lit that year exactly I think that you know watch smartwatches particularly I know I did know I'm keep talking Adia what it what I did with my water oh my god oh that's you here you know this is it no we're good we're good so so I'm so happy that the gears 3 did not receive an update I'm glad that we actually received the gear s 3.5 yeah because so here's the thing about the gear support you saw my hands on the gear support is definitely a sports SmartWatch but it reminds me a lot of the Apple watch really it does because because of the focus on okay so the Apple watch if you go for the sport variant which is no longer called the supply the aluminum variant it is that it is literally a sport watch that can become fancy so long as you swap a band on it okay so this is this was my big concern when we went with the hands-on and they had some cool NATO straps which is kind of a nice way to casual wear your watch it wasn't until we we did a mixer with Samsung after the event and you like I thought the the PR rep was where David yes yeah you're a gear and gears been wearing the sport and it was rested up a lot better than I thought it was a dress up really well I mean it's the same 316l stainless steel which I said a little bit um in the video where I'm sorry we were tired you're retired but if you still are it was the 316l stainless steel and it's got this like it's got this like um it's like the silvery it's like a titanium yeah black it's so weird but it's so cool and it is again it's a standard gear s3 the only thing that it's missing pretty much are the fact that this has that mode where you're able to pay on regular you know oh oh yeah oh yeah the magnetic the magnetic thing that Samsung has either Samsung I apologize it's only got an F C right but then absolutely everything else it's a garis three it does not have LTE capabilities right and I think that that's okay like I think that it will at some point but Samsung was very specific we wanted to make a smaller watch and the reason why I mean the gear is three is a complete watch for fitness and yet I don't use it because it's huge right I was gonna say I mean like when we're looking at like the watch and like that what it takes to build LTE into the guest it's the sport wears more like a regular time so I actually liked 42 millimeters you can make it a fitness watch when you want to you can't what you don't I love Samsung health like the changes they've made since the galaxy s 8 and all that push that they made a rare event it's actually paid off like I like how complete it is and then we saw the gear for to support which was I like the gear for 2 in its design I like its functionality I didn't like its accuracy gotcha and so I feel that the like they showed me the design changes to the to the heart rate sensor how now it's a little more close to the body they even made an explanation to me that makes so much sense like for example I like to use these stainless steel bands they're like the heavier the watch the less accurate the heart rate sensor is because the watch is hidden dangled over your body a lot good point whereas if the this is the reason why the gear fit weather gear sport is lighter and smaller and the reason why they made a couple of changes to the module on the gear 4 to support in order to improve accuracy and you know we were talking I was explaining to them how like in the case of the Apple watch is not that I want to endorse a flirt that I care about the Apple watch it is just the most complete SmartWatch when it comes to accuracy okay I mean it takes it a quarter of a mile for the GPS to catch up and then it is it's locked on the dot they actually do that really accurate to a smartphone when you're running it is on the John upon GPS on Android wear yeah it is on the dot as accurate as a Garmin would be and I have to use garment because Garmin is there a standard furred back there the standard they are the tool that pilots used to happen right that's how good Garmin watches are so yeah I was very very impressed I can't wait to hear the iconic headphones yeah I do want to do one of those mainly because you know with Chapra I knew you were gonna go directly right into job Ron there because we have to have to spend a little time at a jobber booth and their updates to to they're truly wireless earbuds we're also compelling so I'm happy to see both Samsung and Jabra yes I mean again I think a lot of these things like the gear fit tube Pro doesn't blow me away but what I really appreciate is that they took something that largely worked and they found a few of those those trigger points those pressure points I hated the clasp on the fit and they went to a regular watch buckle on them on the pits you plant it in - I mean again when they're not you mind it it's like those were those little like we got really fancy and we've got this sort of like bubble lock on clasp that I could really easily like pop it if I put my hand in my pocket you know it got caught on the edge of my jeans or something so seeing them address those kinds of usability or lifestyle issues I think we're getting to that point where even smartwatches have reached a certain level of refinement and that now we need to really address some more of those lifestyle issues the fashion issue making them blend in more seamlessly with the rest of your day and not having them stand out as like these geeky science experiments that you wear on your body and I think Samsung is doing a good job of addressing those and I I was even forget who I was talking to and I was explaining that okay so if I have to choose from from how complete is a SmartWatch I like there are things about the gears 3 that I like I love the watch faces I love that I mean I'm able to add how much water I've had drink yeah I love the sleep tracking Oh I mean like the new calorie tracking tools the new carry you know you can actually add your intake and then it'll automatically calculate based on how much you've trained during life and because a watch should be about simple at-a-glance information I loved that they had like a three-tier like basically the radar screen like red yellow green yeah and it's like oh I'm in the yellow I should probably not eat these cheese puffs right right and and like for example now you're able to sing Spotify off law yeah like why would this matter well if you actually want to go run without your phone mm-hmm you can actually sing Spotify I it still doesn't do Spotify running which is one thing that I would really like for it to have right because that's what I use to run but you actually have the option which is just great now my biggest problem and I I told them like okay there is one news first SmartWatch which is you know you call it funny but you know I go to you know I set my washing machine and I'm like set a timer for 23 minutes right set a timer for this I do that with the SmartWatch I designed it I set a reminder for this or that I don't usually use it to call people but one thing that I use a lot in New York is give me walking directions to Penn Station give me walking directions to this and right I do it constantly with Siri Siri is good in the fact that it reacts the promise and I even told them the Apple watch deployment of apps is terrible like yeah they are the slowest and clunkiest things you could ever use well I'm navigating to the app is also exactly and so it's like you tell you have to tell it like three times give me walking directions to a spot by the time it actually launches the app and does what you do will you ask it to do Android wear after version two has gotten a million times better at than yeah they have done an amazing job and I like the fact that you can actually install a third-party version of Google Maps into yeah the watch is so that it's launched immediately dance-oriented version of Google Maps on the watch and this is what Samsung isn't missing Sam Ryan does not have maps they don't have maps they win and we're not asking them to have maps it's just give me Google Maps um functionality of that and please I mean for all the fanfare of Bixby right when is Bixby going to reach the gear s3 because it's going to reach the gear support to a certain degree then they were like yeah we're gonna update it update the rest of the watch think we're a little cagey but I was like okay just make up your minds yeah you're gonna do cuz s voice it's terrible even made a point over how X Boys has grown and functionality and voice accuracy I'm like that's not really video like Samsung still reinventing the wheel there yeah because I loved like so getting back to icon X the new gesture being the long press so that you can call up your voice assistant and of course it's Samsung so they're showing off Bixby but they did make a point of saying like you can use it with Google Voice to he's like I know that's the checkbox I'm gonna click almost immediately yeah getting that back over there I feel like Samsung has this amazing core of developers that work just on their applications for their products but so much of it still feels like it runs in parallel with what's already being developed by the company that makes the operating system that defined I think I think that Samsung has a point they have the scale they have a much larger scale that even Google does and yeah that's either I wouldn't even I wouldn't even set all my eggs in one basket I mean we don't know I mean like I've still said I mean like voice assistants are wide open someone could come in tomorrow with an AI Butler that'll jam blow us away and everyone will want to switch to that and use it but I don't know that I see Samsung really plowing that tray that trail I really feel like all of these other services are kind of just reaching parity so I mean it's like Siri can do this really well and she can call you an uber but she can't do this and Cortana could have done this but then can't do this other thing and Google now Google assistant really good at like operating things on your phone but maybe not so good at working with other apps yeah and so it's like all of them are kind of at the same level of I can use it for some things but not others and no one's really started tying all of those loose ends together so that we've got more consistent functionality through voice actions and voice services and that's where I feel like again Samsung they're giving me a couple really great features macros Bixby when Bixby finally gets updated to you know I can I time mode and it can go and do all that I love oh my god that's cool cool that's really cool because it's so cool it's so much easier for a general consumer than the other ways that we use to program macros on everything and here's the thing like I am the kind of person that actually depends on those things that's really I used to be all about the innocent acts yes I leave the house and I tap my phone right by the door and it turns everything now IOT is going to the point where you can actually do that you know I my son laughs every you know he gave that you know he's in New York with me he came to the apartment and he's like and I'm like good morning and all the lights yeah he's like he's like he's like I could live like this he's like hello computer he really likes that and you know automation is one thing I you know I understand Samsung and the whole concept of pushing bixby I don't think there's a need for another voice of system but I can't really say that the current ones are great yeah so so there needs to be pressure in some competitions so that these things get better it's it's just like each one has its one novelty yeah and I don't see any company really coming is like oh well you know what our voice assistant is super deficient at walking directions in a city yeah and instead of like really trying to address some of those core usability features it's like well yeah you can't do that but look at this other amazing thing I was like that's not that's still not helping me really motivate a purchase on something like that and that's why we still have so much room for these services to improve and again like a hound could come in tomorrow sound hound yeah and like blow us all the way I've been mentioning IBM Watson give me an IBM Watson phone and I could be a really happy dude but this is also why I feel like Samsung's approach because they're so diverse and they're so broad and they've got our product segments throughout and they're working the stuff at multiple different angles from multiple different Vantage's we're making fun of it but cue Raider is an interesting idea in that what is it can it what what is it that it can really accomplish in streamlining the efficiency of washing my clothes right so I've got artificial intelligence built into a washing machine oh my god can I can I just say this because they were making the presentation and this is one of those things where I used to be a presenter like right it was my job in a company that I worked for to sell projects like I would be sent to a spot I would assess the problem and then I would figure out a way to fix it and I would have to create a presentation where during the first three slides I had to be able to sell to the CEO the reasons why we had to either buy this company or take it apart right and so I remember you were Richard Gere from pretty woman like I want to take your company and carve it into pieces the funny part is when they're the presentation of the washing machine and they're like think about how many hours of your life you're going to say by being able to because the washing machine will not take fifty percent less time and I love the fact that it takes fifty percent less time from a simple you didn't have to come and tell me that I was gonna save so many hours of my life and they actually did the math and I'm like wait a second so you're telling me that you actively sit in front of your washing machine waiting for it to die I'm like really you didn't have to say that yeah simple fact that the washing machine is so quick I mean except I don't know about you Jaime but whenever I'm doing my laundry I am unable to participate with anything else in the world surrounding me until that chore is completed because I like to make sure it's done right that it's done properly and so I do need to monitor no not it's not a way to really maintain it was it was almost like you only see those bad infomercials and like this ever happened to you no how do I use my hands and bowls of chips are so hard Michael did the review of the galaxy s4 active you're watching this dude you're awesome it was that was a great review yeah so I want to pivot here because we do get to spend a little time talking to Jabra I know those dudes are right up your alley they had some really cool so I came in as you were talking to the Jabra rep right it that oh yeah and it's like 80 bucks oh say here like yeah it's like what it was like a it's like a dog showing a magic trick I always gonna ask the same question whenever I post running pictures remember whenever I was running right not currently doing so but like what headphones are you using and I'm like they're always Jabra ISM okay so I used to be a Jabra customer ever since before I started using their products for a couple of reasons first of all this is a company that actually their origins are the hearing aids yeah so their technology for audio and quality from simple like simple phone calls is insane yeah and so so here's the thing I have been a Jabra customer the second reason was because these were the only headphones that would survive more than a year without dying over how much I sweat yeah their IP rating pretty gross their IP ratings are great and not only that they have this three-year wanti thing where for the same price of this pair of headphones they will literally warrant your product three years and like it's a no questions asked that's a no questions asked well swap your product and that's awesome so here's the thing they you know I was I was throwing on Lotus it was before getting back to New York and they were like we finally got a sample for the elites the in here the full-blown no wire and I'm like yeah so I tried the LG's I tried the Cindy first icon for second acts yeah you know the the battery wasn't great this new these new ones now have full marathon batteries yeah you're in a bright window for very long you know in the case of these new iconic sand that's great but like I told Samsung send me a sample and I'll let you know right the audio ok my god those new elite support from Jabra dude those things sound like a standard pair of over the ear headphones yeah and they've got this like four microphone system for phone calls now the other day I was running because I actually tried to run again and my sister calls me and dude like it feels like it feels that like a hollow phone call from your old Motorola from your old Nokia's right it sounds so great and I'm like okay I now understand why these things cost $200 yeah the the sister company resound is all about that like hearing aid like some of the most advanced hearing aid technology the world has ever seen and so they whatever you ask them about that they they try to downplay that there's any connection and I think it's really interesting because if there's still like a stigma like we don't want to be known as we're the hip Fitness company we don't want to be known as the hearing aid sister company yeah and and it's a little unfortunate like we had a recent podcast with a representative from AARP I'm talking about two sort of issues you know as people get older and things like that and I know we have several members in our audience and I'm hoping to address this soon especially once we're out of you know iPhone launch territory but you know accessibility options and like those Jabra czar built around very similar ideas to improving listening conditions protecting your house you know making sure that your situationally aware while you have things blocking your ear canal mean these are really sophisticated solutions and again it's it's just interesting that we still can't admit you know hearing aid technology is now getting to a point where it will augment normal people without hearing deficiency it will augment your senses you know this is like you know at some point eventually you like you know maybe I do want robot legs instead of regular human legs but starting with hearing and vision like the these are the things that we can address right now and there were a couple other companies on the show floor that we're showing off like advanced hearing solutions and things like that happen Jabra is the only company that I think has made as as smart a play in bringing those technologies to general contain if it's not Jabra or plant Ronix I'd like companies that have been in the industry for ages like yeah you know it's so here's the thing but they were showing off at this event was not that it was so the elites have been out this this is like the new update to the elites but they launched this new elite lineup which is these headphones that they look kind of funny like their design it's it's they look like the typical LG over the over the neck yeah design yeah that that bar but kinda runs behind your neck so here's the thing they have the same driver and audio technology of the other elites so listen to this that same audio they have the same microphones they have an insane 18 hour battery the neck band is basically all battery and it's a flaccid technology type battery oh yes you can like clamp it to your neck it's not like it's flopping around guess how much those things cost how much would you expect to pay for such a product $1.99 $2.99 80 buns I was like wait you know it tripped me out and it's such a small thing uh-huh what you're like when someone delivers a really well-executed simple design consideration and all of a sudden like I was angry I'd never thought of it yeah and I'm sure other companies have done it I just didn't know that someone had made a product like this but the the earbuds are magnetic so like they won't be just like dangling and flopping around they don't retract like LG's you want to snap them closed when you get a phone call and earbuds detect that the magnet has detached that's all it takes to answer to the cone call because it's like I'm using my LG tone studios and when I pull that your bud I want it to automatically switch from the speakers to the earbud yeah there's no reason for me to have pulled the earbud unless I want to listen on the earbud like that would be but I have to find this fiddly little switch and again this is totally infomercial first world problems oh I had to hit a button but that's the kind of design that I love seeing that's it it's such a small but - but it's really inconsiderate for how consumers are gonna use this you're not gonna unsnap your earbuds unless you want to listen to something you're not gonna unsnap your earbuds unless you want to answer the phone it's an action you're already you're you're doing an action and tie it to us a feature and I might want to hang up the call just snapping back together that's so good it's so brilliant it's so I walked in on the price and then he and then one of the other reps she showed me you actually gave me a little bit more it was like I had like I had to just stop her like that's all that's that's that's that's amazing you had me imagine step yeah you had me into know someone who didn't have me on this show floor for a product that I think I'm gonna like when I really get to play with it can we talk about Motorola for just a little bit so we have a video the moto moto x4 I'm a big fan Moto X - back in the day I'm really happy to see the X line return I think this this is a product that's on point for what they're trying to deliver I'm really frustrated with the number of people who are complaining that Moto's pivoting to the mid-range the Moto X has always been about they've met refinements never been a flexure it's never been like let's try and impress you with all of the bullet points on paper no but we can deliver a really nice experience through optimization and give you a slightly lower price point - yes handle that that's it the X should represent I'm sad that moto moto moto maker has died yeah I'm sorry about that I I'm not saying that there's anything wrong with the design of the now it's a pretty fun it is a pretty phone it's different it's pretty am I disappointed with the choices of chipset no I'm not all mean so here's the thing I love the 625 so I'm really curious to see what the 630 can do exactly and here's the thing you have to remember the Moto X the original Moto X try to address something they were like we're not here for the spec race right we're not here to compete against these guys we want to show you that a phone can be really good not be priced crazy we can actually come up with something really cool like moto maker yeah and you're actually gonna be delighted by the experience we were delighted by everything except the camera yeah and that's why even into the Moto X tune again it and absolutely every single iteration of the Moto X I loved writing about the phone but the camera we liked everything but the camera and it was just this cool feel of the Moto X yeah I mean it didn't matter like for example the the Moto X - I received two units I receive that bamboo variant I never got to play the bamboo I still have my Moto X - with the blue leather back the white front face the red accents my Captain America phone I still love that phone I love the feel of it in my hand I want that exact same shell with just more modern like I want that shell with a 630 and four gigabytes of RAM and yeah 32 or 64 gigabytes of storage but the reason why I'm kind of picking on Motorola and this is a mistake that they made last year and this is something this is like a little more inside baseball for you folks listening because I think the phone is gonna be cool I think the phone's gonna be a nice option for people who want to shop at that tier why can't Motorola figure out that when they invite press to an event to look at a gadget that you maybe don't want super dark nightclub lighting with hard shadows and neon lights everywhere how can I explain to you so if you watch our video it's like it's every color time in every shot that that is super dark color of the phone ISO is cranked and we had to crank every Oh mad like Congrats on the video - the video came out great but we had sistahs like there are a few shots like my panasonic is struggling to not make this a great blurry mess I was glad you had your sony on dude it's it's I was like and you know what's the most hilarious part the lights were actually the tone of the lights was controllable so by choice the lighted mirror yes to give us a urine yellow color hue and every arrow yellows actually it was it was gross was horrible I was so upset I was just let's just get this over with because I don't want to do what the yoga book I was like that is such a beautiful piece of machinery and they would light up the table for like 10 minutes so you had a bright softbox that it was on and then dark everything else you could never expose like every shot light half of the shot was overexposed and the other half of the shot was underexposed you know and this year apparently they just decided like bowl everything's underexposed and everything's dark and it like reminds me of Samsung of their Galaxy Note 8 it's like we were at the Lincoln Center for the Galaxy s8 event we were doing the hands-on obviously who were unable to attend the pre-brief and so we were there at the Lincoln Center and I was just my jaw was at the floor with the lighting it was delicious it was a great sound room we were able to show off the phone looks beauty and then we go to the no date event I mean don't get me wrong the armory was beautiful the Armory's finished and I'm the building but there was no consideration for that kind of the semi things like the lighting was terrible the floor they had to throw something on top of the floor this like I don't know it was like a wooden frame on top of the floor and carpet for you not to damage the the the antique floor and it's great every year everybody was near you and how could I tell people like would you stop walking excuse me I'm trying it is important we're all trying to get some work done but lately like every shot in my no date coverage is like wobble wobble wobble wobble as people are walking around and then we get to the gear presentation here in this beautiful Berlin loft this Febres diagonally by 23 okay amazing wood rustic metal they had like an old motorcycle in one like every good writer who couldn't unless you pointed your camera directly out the window at the Sun you you could not arrive at a bad shot they had a working piano I was so great delicious it was I'm like and when we talked to them there's like I'm really really really glad you liked our venue and like we'll let the lighting designer know like the Samsung event they had the consideration of like we're gonna approach this as if these people are all shooting films yes and it and it shows like it was so easy to get great shots of all those products and then we get to the Motorola and I'm looking forward to a Moto X and like I can't even see it with my eyes in the venue how am I supposed to put this on camera so again like I'm picking on Motorola here because like I said I think the phone's gonna be cool why I just like I wanted like I'm gonna maybe drop by the Lenovo booth and speak with some of the Lenovo people in just okay I had a lot of fun at the event they had the Star Wars AR game it was cool the Jedi a Jedi force game um my lightsaber was a little buggy but I was still able to defeat cuz what do you think about this one I mean that the the experiencer yeah okay so this is a great first step to show consumers what AR can do yeah and I really feel like the way that they so the way that they had it they had these like triangular sections where you could fight kylo Ren yeah and I almost wish that they hadn't done that because it put kylo Ren just on a plain black background so you didn't see how he was walking back and forth now in the approach and once you get this in your living room I think it's gonna be so much cooler because I mean it's not like he's gonna be jumping around and really interacting with the environment we don't really have the computational horsepower and a phone to pull that off just yet but this is it was such a great organic experience between headset lightsaber and then the fighting mechanic worked in the way that I think Nintendo always wanted the Wii to be you know like we haven't really realized that well and this I thought worked surprisingly well I didn't like it you didn't like I ain't I didn't like the implantation I don't no idea and the implementation and I okay so there are a few things I don't like VR I you know I I would remember use a gear I obviously did like the vibe I like how complete the vibe is but I don't like all the setup that you require and I'm I just the great it's just that every time that I had to pull out those like things to be able to detect where I was and calibrate them it just it made the experience cumbersome like in New York City finding an apartment with space as a commodity oh yeah and you can't set that up at you back here I did so because I'm backyards also a commodity yeah so here's the thing what I didn't like were a few things number one the field of view of the headset was very limited it is it's gonna be a problem area and so here's the thing I mean I do understand that they probably made the holographic whatever a thing that they did in this and the screen small just to keep the price tag down and the price tag is insane at 300 dollars by the way I don't know that it is though and there's nothing else like this and again it's got to be that first consumer yes I mean you're put you're paying the penalty of being first but that the pen the display had to be larger it had it has to be able to if it if it's not able to cover your whole eyes yeah you're not doing if you cannot follow the 120 degrees of your field of view this is this is what I like about their approach to this one and this is why I'm really trying to say this is the the best first step for consumers for AR is they're not trying to do like you've seen those hololens demonstrations and like man things are going on all around you but we know that the hololens has a pretty narrow field like you have a window I haven't used oh okay what be me like your complaint you've got a very narrow field of view and there's nothing happening ary is in the periphery but for this game you have Kyllo in front of you and that's it they're not trying to impress you by throwing graphics that you'll not interact with to the side so I think they're doing a reasonable job of addressing the limitations of the current technology but that's my second complaint that's nice okay so okay so here's the thing whenever you're playing whatever game you're playing you don't want the fighting to be predictable right whereas you literally have to follow a set of instructions to play where it's like place that's sorted in this angle than this angle then that angle it does not feel natural at all like I understand the concept I again I love that it's a first step I have to agree with you but that is a game that I will be playing for five minutes and then I will be like okay any more gestures left so no and it's just repeat I have some sore feet I have to talk that out too we probably only got to fight Kyllo on level one easy beginner mode and I'm hoping that there is some expansion in what you do so basically as you're fighting tile oh and this is gonna be terrible for people who are only listening to the podcast or not watching but there are these yellow lines that represent where your lightsabers should always be to properly block to the fenders of holo and then there's just like a target on him when you get attacked and then it's like block block block by block block block fight and it's like I can't hit him now and they tried hitting them hitting it is like though you have to wait for your chance to hit them I'm like y'know this is not a game that's not how lightsaber dueling works I should be never so I get that because it is I mean the game mechanic and that's this is where I agree with you the game mechanic is basically a fancy cuts a quick time event yes like you're playing another game and like oh push me right now you know that's not really a game that's that's just a race of like you know a measure of my ability to react reaction time like a B I push me I win and it is totally that but that's why I'm hoping that again first generation I think the technology is sound like this this actually played better than I thought it would especially considering that it's powered off of phone hardware and I've had some you know like like we when we did the Lenovo fab 2 pro yeah it was a slightly underpowered chipset to have things really interacting in space around you and had some like framerate issues and stuff so this again is like that's the next step this is an actual consumer product that's going to be on store shelves and I think it's gonna help educate people as to why a r is different than VR and from there I'm hoping them will see a bit more developer interest to really expand what AR can do so I think it's the right step I don't but but we defer we defer but again I feel it's not even consumer ready I thought I feel I feel that I was playing with an alpha game well I'm yeah probably not too far sorry sorry for coughing folks I'm probably not too far I mean it for me it was definitely beta early beta test or very early beta territory the game was all try and post the video maybe like unlike my personal YouTube channel yeah like because you got this great moment like my Schwartz was bent when I started playing the game so I would I would go to like defendant would go he did not want to just correct one you had to bring the sword down yeah for the shorts to line properly big as my okay so I'm gonna wrap this up talking about what's probably the biggest announcement at Eva for mobile and that's this this beautiful device right here which I've got in my hands I'm showing on camera and I oh oh and you have one too looks like we're pals and this is of course the LGV 30 i apologize everybody i know that it's it's horrible for me to sound and talk about rumors of the LGV 30 on the daily and already have the unit for about a week so i mean again we can't talk about it we sign an embargo we sign an embargo i signed my life away on this NDA like I really like LG takes this part of the conversation seriously and I really felt like the tech bloggers community did a good job of honoring that yet there wasn't anyone being obnoxious with links or anything and we didn't want to be those people so the reason why that's important is I get a little tired of leaked culture giving up the goods before the company has a way or a chance to present it the way they want to because that's the metric by which I'm going to judge if LG's gonna make a clean I want to know how old the claim they're making so I know what standard to hold them to yeah so already immediately oh like one of the biggest criticisms that's happening online is this the claim of it having an F 1.6 aperture on the main camera and xda-developers dug into the the metadata on photos and you can actually pull up the exif data on on a photo and once you take it from the phone and this is pre-release Hardware pre really software I was about to say don't know what what this is gonna look like once the finished the finished product is out and so I don't want to judge it by pre-release hardware standards but the phone does report NF 1.7 not only that I mean so we've been playing with prototypes yeah well and we have a little few gremlins which we know probably maybe and so I I'm hoping that this whole thing that's happening with XDA is not going to end ruining that because okay so this is one thing that we really like about working with LG and the way they handle their review process where they will send us an early prototype and we will we can't give you an opinion over a prototype that's not final hardware if you notice we took a long time to do our g6 review yeah because it I told them you know no they were very specific do you cannot we will send you a final unit and then you can take your time and do the review it I received my final unit and I took a week with it even if I had already spent pretty much a month it was a different experience even though the prototype was in good shape I would even say that this doesn't feel like a prototype it doesn't not from a user for a user interface I've had a couple of problems with video my accelerometer has an issue on this so that's the one thing like when I go to shoot video in the site purposely and so twist to the phone a couple times all of my videos have been portrait and so here the thing I for whatever is is that happening listen this is not a final unit don't judge it for being a final unit do I feel the photography on this phone is significantly better to the g6 actually no I don't and I can't say that it is or not because this is a prototype so I mean what we can say or so some of the early impressions I like what they've what I like what they've improved over the g6 but I agree with you I don't feel like this is going to be fundamentally different but because the phone has a little bit more horsepower even on this pre-release hardware their image processing is already not significantly but noticeably improved for things like low-light you know I mean that was one of the things that that that I had concerns with on the g6 is that they had this sort of over sharpening to the noise and really low light photos yeah so if you like to do nighttime street photography you get these weird like crosshatch yeah like blind noisy effects that looked really ugly even at full looking at the full photo like it wasn't like oh I propped in a whole bunch and I can see all this grain it was like it was pretty noticeable even from the full exposure and those kinds of things have been improved we have a little bit more resolution to work with I think the image stabilization is better that that I can already say like I like the feel of video from this camera better than I like the feel it's very aggressive actually actually the civilization on this camera is very aggressive it is very busted we don't have the same ugly wobble that we had on the b20 no yeah that's been drained in it again and again it continues to be a prototype I guess what I've liked the most about I guess I've come to already expect a better camera from LG here's the thing the other day I went to I went to the 9/11 memorial with my son and so I totally forgot to bring the g6 for some reason I don't know why and I always keep my v20 in the back of the bag of the DJI Osmo it's just it's there it's like it's the accessory for my DJ awesome yeah it bet is the main camera for your need and so I I just you know I went we walked I started vlogging you know I'll publish it once and one day next year probably but the thing is I was in front of the memorial I wanted to take this photo and it was already it was already becoming dim yeah and I was like crap I need a wide-angle veto I'll shoot I have to be 20 and so I took the photo and I remember not being satisfied with the phone yeah why because the g6 did an amazing job in making me be like okay b20 sorry yeah it's done the white it's definitely better on the Jason so the white is definitely better on the g6 and it's definitely better on the V 30 you know I feel that they handle distortion a lot better much better so yeah the camera has been improved I you know I use LG products and I no longer you know ever since the g4 the camera on the g4 and every single LG afterwards has been amazing yeah and so I know to trust the camera but it's just if we leave the camera load and just focus on this hardware yeah okay so here's the thing I remember I remember being in the briefing I grabbed it the first time and the the field that I have from the g6 is this unsubstantial a lock it is a block I mean it's the flat edges on the side it's the flat edges on the sides just this feel and this like it's like rough glass like it like this like feel to it where it's like it could even make noise pretty much with how rough the glasses so it is not slippery at all but it feels lighter than absolutely any phone that I've held with the exception of the Galaxy s8 yeah the regular size Galaxy s8 this phone is really light it's it's borderlines feeling cheap light it's close it's very close to feeling to lay but the combination of like what your hand is reporting to your brain and then what your eyes see when you look at it yeah it does I think LG has finally figured out they're they're sort of style or they're dashing like this this this makes sense to me yeah as a pretty device you know like I love it when youtubers are like oh yeah it's got a nice feel in the hand you know no protrusions or jagged edges you know there aren't any razor blades to cut your fingers on so you can actually hold the phone so that's really cool and really like so you know the g5 was I think the last great example of a flagship positioned phone that was rough around the area yeah very poorly implemented for like having the battery chain and stuff so it's really exciting to see from one year to the next how much more refined this design this execution is yeah like how much more confidence I have in LG manufacturing when you pick this phone up and it its competitive against them the prettiest phones on the market today I don't just think that it's competitive I think it's one of the prettiest photos I think that's what I mean is like you know we talked about that upper top tier we're talking like you're gonna spend a lot of money on a phone you shouldn't have to worry about does the seam on the bottom chin for the battery match up you're like can I see light through the battery compartment you know you should not ever have to deal with something like that you should not have to deal with that on something like a $200 phone yeah but if you're spending over $700 you know we've passed that price point you should never have a consideration for the manufacturing machining and the aesthetics of the phone to ever have a fault like that then the v-series is you have to remember the v-series has never been a looker you know like the v10 was not a pretty phone ooh well baby 20 was charmingly ugly but I like the look at the b20 the beats running little not a pretty phone it was not a pretty phone at all it reminded me of the HTC type it out of the bag oh the second you picked up to be 20 is like oh well this is a big ol fat diesel truck yeah it is unapologetic and it's it's bold and so I like it but I can understand if you're if you're talking about general consumers walking into a carrier store and they see like a beautiful glass curved edges on on a samsung and then v20 diesel truck I understand why someone would gravitate I almost feel like we're a cargo pants just the feel that I blend with the style of the b20 by the way thank you my work boots work boots set by cargo fast that's that's just good before I go jump in my caterpillar okay so this phone does not look like a diesel truck no this boat gives the Galaxy s8 a run for its money any day yeah like really much like it feels great it looks great and performs great the old let implementation is very good it's a little warm huh it is a little warmer but I mean did you dig through the display settings so here's the thing the Galaxy s8 active is another phone that's like that it's know that display that's warm right it is it is well and my s8 was really ready like my my si plus has a red screen if you leave it up to its within the neutral mode yeah the just the color temperature of the screen itself is significantly off so this is a little bit warmer but if you go in through the display settings I was excited to see like this is the first oullette that they've had since the flex 2 flex and they already had consideration for oh you might want to cinema mode yeah or you you might want like a graphics game mode or something like that you might want to downscale your quad HD 1080p right I mean it's so available I'm excited to see LG has has jumped on board those kinds of considerations but I also like that they didn't hamstring the phone out of the box I do have an issue with Samsung not disclose like making a better disclosure of setting up your phone do you want to save battery and use a 1080p display instead they just do it for you yeah so you're paying for this quad HD screen but you're not really generating the content at the resolution of the display and here LG out of the box it's quad HD plus whatever that's twenty eight eighty by 1440 and if you want to down tune it you can but guess what I don't know what for you it's the most appointed that gonna be 24 be for the beat 30 sorry how's your battery life oh my oh my god okay alright so this phone jumps into key1 territory it doesn't move in two key ones okay it's just so much better than any be okay sorry about that so here's the thing on the my first day with the V 30 I did not leave the phone alone and I reached a day and a half yeah I literally fell asleep it's a legit like full day plus of music I like I can I can get through a three-day weekend I know I've never been able to get that fry I can I can run Mikey one sir so the key for me just sticking to the v30 just because this is what is really exciting the v20 was a monster performer for hardware and specs but not if you used those features you killed that battery yeah I mean wasn't as bad as the v10 the v10 I could like I could kill that before lunch oh yes very NATO it was terrible terrible so I had I didn't have high expectations because we know LG runs a ton of custom software yeah their skin is really intrusive a lot of people are gonna be turned off by that but with a 3300 milliamp hour battery and the Qualcomm 835 and I'm running the dark theme on my OLED display the battery life is significantly noticeably improved over the g6 over okay so and like it's in a completely different league from the beat one I will give you an example yesterday I disconnected my galaxy s 8 plus which I've been using here and my V 30 prototype mm-hmm okay prototype versus final final product by let's really get to that bar last night yeah oh man I am NOT gonna be sharing video from that evening I apologize I'm gonna say was we were probably there around oh I pulled out my battery pack from the A+ both devices are roaming both devices were t-mobile roaming telecom the Galaxy s8 flow and there was no signal in this pub we were all down on edge which means your phones are all cooking just to gear up with the no but also in the venue that we were at the phones were jumping up and down for signal yeah so I pulled out my battery when we left the venue to charge my s8 plus right because this phone is obviously it's a prototype it was having trouble even even more trouble retaining 16 oh yeah my ass 8 plus was at 6 percent battery at I it was 3:00 in the morning no no we left the venue I think it was it was midnight oh you mean before we went to the word yeah so we got to the bar a midnight the 3500 Mela is so bear in mind yesterday we started the day at noon because we had worked all night yeah so both phones were disconnected from from from a charger at noon mm-hmm five hours so at 12 hours my si+ was at 6% my v30 which I had actually used more because the V 30 is using project Phi so I get a lot more speed on the Eternity all my vlog done on the camera then on my t-mobile yeah and all my Instagram everything is happening from the B 30 not the Tia the okay not the galaxy si plus my B 30 was at 53% yes yeah it's a lot better 6% 53% we're talking about the same processor we're talking about smaller battery smaller smaller screen a smaller No six inches versus - yeah yeah well and also I mean the galaxy is running a slightly higher resolution display - no that's no I'm using the SI + at 1080p HD okay see that really bothers me Samsung if you're gonna turn my screen down I want better battery life here I left it there and I am my ass ain't was is at 6% 53% I have used this phone more a lot more than this other one I'm very I'm very happy with the experience we've had so far on V 30 I mean I can't even get into like the charts and graphs on our headphone testing yes I can't tell you like it's a phenomenal performer I can't get into like the really nitty-gritty stuff for a camera review it's a solid performer and to watch them having evolved again this is this is like just reinforcing my hypothesis that if a company is really engaged with their consumers yeah and they should demonstrate that they can refine an update a product over around a three year period like one plus like one plus like the Microsoft Surface - yeah one plus three suddenly is this amazing thing to talk about v10 and that one plus five is just yeah oh yeah I understand why some people have some issues with them oh that's fine but but you know v10 very odd mishmash of certain design elements it's a transitionary device it's the first time that we had ever experimented with the V with the V being so any phone from LG being such a Productivity content creation device v20 nails a lot of the tech doesn't really quite have the right shell I think to get consumers interested in the device and now three years I mean if we look from the v10 to the V 30 that's such incredible progress yeah to see that level of refinement arrived and so like I'm very anxiously awaiting when we can start testing a production I mean a finally consumer unit because I'm I think our viewers are listeners I think you're really gonna like what we have to say about the the actual technical performance yes I haven't found a real deal breaker on this phone I have the selfie camera is stare oh yeah I'm sorry Haley okay that's totally fair LG still has a lot of work to do on selfie cameras but it was selfie cameras terrible but and until I'm excusing this you're absolutely right I may be being a little too fair to LG here because if you really if you're really into selfies this is not gonna be the phone for you so it's great because of the wide angle and I love but the rear donors are so easy you get an amazing shot from the even when you're shooting blind the selfie camera is just such a washed out mess and the exposure is still terrible it's if they could give us just like the same manual modes and you could just tell the camera hey stop exposing for the background focus on me right I'm right here yeah I'm literally three feet from you and you're exposing for that white building a mile away could Jenai but you know I've done all my vlogging from this camera because they wear cameras are phenomenally easy to blind like not looking at the screen just point this phone in front of my face talk for a couple minutes and like the video looks amazing the photos look great we were at that bar and they had this like mirrored ceiling and Michael Fisher was like hey everyone just come here and look up and v30 wide-angle lens this amazing reflective shot I don't remember that and what's funny is I remember you making eye contact with the camera but you're looking up what's on the ceiling click but those kinds of things are like it's so so you know I love like Huawei's implementation of dual camera I dudes but wide-angle so much more useful to me than zoom in in so many of these social situations I'm out and about with amazing the photography of a Berlin architecture and you're like I didn't need a zoom for that I needed to see like this church this old cathedral so it's older than America by like a thousand years you know and like I can walk right up to it let me be like right on the sidewalk yes point my camera up in the whole thing's right there and it's perfect you know I don't even know what that so for example and I I actually ask a designer like one of these people that are in charge there's the cool thing about being part of briefings by the way yeah for us it's not necessarily just the opportunity to to have content early no no it's the fact that the guy that designed the phone is sitting right there I'm actually like bugging the engineer who implemented that exactly and so one of the things that I've always been curious about is who came up with 27 millimeters for a smartphone okay what's all these guys that we actually wanted to be like just to give you an idea I have a 35 millimeter F 1.8 lens thank you for recommending it it's great it's an amazing lens and it's the reason why the Moto X for footage was some chaos oh yeah it came out at all the biggest problem is that 35 millimeter number right I have to set the camera here and I have to hold the phone and I have to be using a monitor to be able to hold the phone and that's why I have to be panning and zooming the pens and the zooms are not to make the clip look pretty and it's because my hands are shaky and I want to divert your attention from the shaky with the panning that's the whole purpose of the pan and so it's just a nightmare the distance that you have to be a I mean how many times have you wanted to take a photo of your friends that are right there and you have to stand back yeah and so what I like about this secondary lens is 1.9 what would be the field of view I've been one well they always I so I need to like actually do the math on it they say it's a 120 degree field of view but I just don't know what translates to in elevator in a focal length focal length I have no clue but it feels like 10 millimeters it is still I mean there is still some subtle warping of the frame I mean you can't completely fix barrel distortion on on a lens this small it's much better than the v20 but it's not - it's not much better it's miles again from v-22 v30 you would never if you want to hold the V 20 in the V 30 up to someone who wasn't into phones they would never have assumed that one that was the same company yeah and to that that was only one year separation yeah in in manufacturing but I want to say that the the wide angle is probably close to approaching a 10 millimeter yeah something like that you know that you're in fisheye territory but it's still rectilinear it's not like bowed out and all crazy just phenomenally well well constructed like 300 the kit lens is a 16 millimeter mm-hmm for the daily apparently I'm currently using a 20 millimeter yeah but that 16 millimeter can actually distort and that's the reason why I stopped using it because whenever I'm doing the daily and here's the edges a frame oh no my cheek is like it's like yeah I did another laughs but yeah even that 16 millimeter lens on these hundred can go really you know you can get really close into you know you don't have to be stepping back so much right and so it's one of those things where you want to capture a really good shot that's why I love the wide-angle option on a selfie camera like yeah if I want a selfie where everybody fits I just stretch my arm and everybody everybody fit and if you're good lighting the selfie camera will do a very decent job although I I still like this is one of those things and I know people want to be able to the screen and reference instantly but once you get just a little bit of a feel for how you aim it doesn't take a lot of practice I was day to doing vlogs from the rear camera feeling I got this that was a good shot and not having to like constantly like reshoot and stuff and so when we were at showstoppers and Nicole was trying to get a group selfie and she was she couldn't welp she short excuse me she's petite she was she was trying to get this group and like 9 or 10 people there and all it took was like be 30 I had the rear camera up and I'm making eye contact with her I'm not even looking up at the camera like click click click click and there's everybody all right let's go let's get on with it I got to go get some food it shows choppers yeah did that kind of stuffy like I really want to express to people especially the general consumers like if you practice just a little bit and I'm not asking you like you know I'm gonna be a photographer and study and do all this stuff there is such a tangible benefit from getting away from the selfie camera anyway that's like the old days we do literally the the the men who invented the film camera the first thing they did was take it selfie with it holding the camera like an arm's length away like not being able to see any kind of viewfinder or really frame your shot and and you're like people who are really good at GoPro photography they know this like they know what the field of view is they know how to hold it I've seen people like vlogging from GoPros you don't need a screen no and so that's like one of those amazing benefits of how they've done wide-angle I'm this LG is like you've got such a huge buffer zone yeah to know that you're getting a good background you're in the shot and that everything's gonna look cool I can't stress this enough like play with your rear camera to do your selfies cuz it's so much better for the optics for the exposure for the processing for the software I mean like the pixel I've got my pixel up here for show notes like the rear camera so much better yeah then even Google's really good image processing from the front camera but you just can't fight how much better that rear image sensor is yeah no and I again I I'm very happy with the week 30 so far can't wait to play with the finished model to play with the finished model I'm gonna have a really hard time moving away from this phone yeah like I you know the no date is coming I obviously the iPhone 8 is coming mm-hmm I'm really curious what always gonna do with the May 10 you know ever so ISIL - I'm usually a Bluetooth audio guy and I have been pulling the wire and yeah you get on my Sennheiser the difference is abysmal yeah it's abysmal like there's just no room for comparison it's like and I find it funny when you're raising the volume on the headphones and it's like the volume dial becomes it starts it stops jumping from 5 to 5 and it starts jumping 1 2 3 4 because it - clicks might be way too much yes and I also like for example I noticed like LD never mentioned this but like they've implemented new hafta son new haptics on this phone oh yeah and they needed to talk about it we didn't mention that or not means so like a number of companies like oh yes the vibration motor and our phones is now so much better so like things like um like in the grammar at the camera dials even the focus yeah focus has this little bit of it's not a pop but it's this little bit of a skip that feels a little like looking at like an iPhone 7 plus an iPhone 7 that's how it feels yeah those little feels like if it has a tactic is little Peaks those little tips the the the bounce that you feel when you're typing on the keyboard is really subtle but it's nicely implemented and they're getting to a point where it's almost approaching the organic feel of like what a real camera feels like when it focuses right you get that little zip from the lens and you feel it it's it's something that your hands register and your brain can go okay there's there's hardware functioning and when I focus on the b30 I get a little zip and it feels yeah I think I've got it locked in right and for those of you you know that might be considered a gimmick for people I listen I don't if you've ever seen a force touch trackpad on a MacBook Pro or a Mac that's the feel that in that feel is so cool because it helps confirm do you bingos what you're doing where that's a button yeah you could swear that that thing is a movie total it's not you know it's just so cool when you press harder to just push this even further like it it provides extra feedbacks these guys are it's stupid little things like that like you overusing a product but again it's like what do you get when you push a button your finger goes something clicked yeah that confirms to your brain that an action has been completed I mean that's such a small consideration but when when I see LG finally executing stuff like that well I think that's something exciting to talk about again it's not a company that three years ago I would have had this kind of that I think would have had this kind of appreciation for that level of design and refinement yeah no no absolutely in design and refinement oh my god can I say into another topic let's just segue in and then I think we can wrap this up yeah I mean rambling on we actually have to get back to myself well I last day Oh essential it was not an essential carry for you ah okay okay real quick let's get let's get into that you got some thoughts I know to make this parenthesis as not necessarily an apology but we have had our review ready since Friday I have footage I have a script I have everything but I was reluctant to do the review I was reluctant to do the review for a couple of things and it's I am going to do it but I've been wanting to give essential a little more time yeah here's the thing I have never held the phone okay this reminds me of holding an iPhone 4 okay yeah the stainless steel band totally that glass filled that that you dropped that thing and it felt like if he were dropping a thick sheet of glass yeah okay I don't think there's a phone that feels better than the essential phone mm-hmm that ceramic is really nice I don't think there's a phone that no it a lot of phones perform while the essential phone performs well at all as well it's just I had forgotten what it was like to use a phone in one hand yes so well yeah with such a large display mm-hmm the pixel feels that way to me but I hate looking at it it's a horrible looking phone I'm sorry this is horrible I almost feel like going into the road just let's do that I mean I'm sorry I'm jacked in here too that you the I bet I'm human I'm gonna build some debt here talking keep talking so I only got to hold the I mean how many got none essential before I didn't I know about my landlord here so I only got to hold it for the first time a couple days ago and it is it's a very compelling extremely well made device so if we're talking about like luxury goods I do think there's there's an opening in the market for someone who wants a product that's unique that has a luxury and premium feel to it and the software performance for the most part like the actual UI navigation how it opens and launches apps like I was really impressed with like how pixel like it was because it's a screamer in terms of performance this phone camera needs them this phone you can operate each corner of the screen with one hand and it's a 5.7 inch display it's a it's a very odd 19 by 10 aspect right yeah and it's weird it's just it feels so delicious but the camera yeah the camera is pretty weak okay I'm not gonna sit here and be like okay no so here's the thing Danny would you told me this like really awesome tip installed the Google pixel camera actually TK Bay was the one that came out of that DK you're awesome dude he came up with that he figured out and install the pixel apk on this phone and the photos are so much better they really are they are insanely better and so here's the thing I can't say that in the review because that wouldn't mean that I'm making it unfair review because I'm using software that's not really what the OEM intended so here's the thing essential I understand that you're okay so the reason why I hold back during the reviews because for those of you that didn't know this phone came to be while essential was just the twelve people company mm-hm twelve people made this device made this phone it wasn't until the phone was ready that they started hiring more people to be able to make production possible this phone is made by one hundred people that is the essential scene just to give you an idea we learned yesterday that huawei's harder than their their software R&D department is three thousand yeah so I was gonna say it's 30 times larger than the complete team of people who may be essential I was like three no I think it's three hundred or is it three hundred I don't know I don't know because one they had like this incredible presentation deck about like all of their worldwide developer I think I wrote it down I think I wrote it down and and and my event notes up here I'm looking for them to regional hold on a hundred and eighty thousand employees in fifteen R&D centers a hundred and eighty thousand employees in fifteen R&D centers 79 79 thousand which is 5% of their obviously we're talking about a company that makes like a ton of wireline and wireless technologies and yes no no you're not all on phones but like like one department of one rnd Research Center is going to be an order of magnitude larger than the entire team know they were saying that they I think it was 147 software updates last year alone and that's the reason why they need so many people Dorothy like Huawei is a monster yep a monster that I gained a lot of admiration for yesterday what I did not know that always started 30 years ago with $3500 yeah yeah like and it's one of the companies responsible for like the entire tech revolution in Shenzhen but I feel from from my very brief interactions playing with the essential phone I feel like I agree with you I think the review needs a bit more time to marinate because I don't think the phone is finished it's not finished so that's the muscle up high is not done baking yet but I feel that this company deserves a second chance because the phone is gorgeous it is an amazing labor of love I don't think I have ever seen so much attention to detail on a product that was designed by so few people and executed so well and executed so well and I can't paint rash yes I wear a startup we're a small company like one and I we don't have people holding our lights we don't have noticed are a beautiful amazing charming air B&B I'm sorry we don't have people holding our lights we don't have like yesterday I did the daily it after our Huawei the Huawei event had really good lighting Zico he's like hey can I just shoot we're just carrying tripod instead do it so I set up a tripod I pulled out my iPad we grabbed our clip mic set up my monitor and I recorded my video in five minutes in the wot one of the huawei the the European CEOs was there he's like you just did that hall video just you just that's it yeah so we've been running we understand companies that run pretty lean we understand what it's like for you know the level of effort that we put into what we do and for you know for us to get your positive feedback while you watch a video while we're more work it means a lot to us because you have no idea of how much will work and it requires we don't have camera people it's us it's just wanted me producing ten videos a week we've got competitor to do one video a week with a team of twenty we do 10 videos we don't want to call anyone out but yeah you could step it up yeah everything everybody and you know sometimes I like I have a lot of that narration for these teams because they produce amazing video avidin and I wish like I wish I just had it's not that we don't have the read something we don't have the talent we just don't have the time the out of towners like it would be we have to find like a balance between what we can do what we can't do and not necessarily because we don't know how to it's just we don't have the time of where I produce as much as we do and so this is the reason why I apologize I hope you understand we've had this phone since day one but I really want to give this company time I want to give them a fair shot because I don't feel that so four people are like oh your camera sucks yeah I don't feel that there's anything on this phone that can't be addressed by software by software because the hardware's on point it's the same sensor of the LG G 6 and when you because it the thing is it just took more effort for me to get a good photo out of it and that's that's firmware that's software that's not a deal breaker until we see whether or not the company can address those and the only way for us to know that is by taking a time yes if they demonstrate because I know this one's been getting software updates like c-33 yeah okay so we know that they are engaging strictly trying to fix some of these gremlins and so now it's just a waiting game to see like can they really deliver on improving the product for those few issues where it's having some significant yeah problems once we get to that point we would then be able to say this phone is worthy of a recommendation yes but look at how fast tech is cycling right now and everyone has this expectation of like opening weekend results for phones now yeah we're almost talking about it like movies like um it's already a week old is it's already I take the L take the L you know like we need to be able to give a company like this a little bit of breathing room or we should just pack it up and say no just buy an iPhone just buy a Samsung they're the winners they're already the top two now nice you bother getting anything else and that's what's to me that's what's been frustrating but I like it was me you know I'm gonna say frustrating it's a little frustrating and watching some of the early response to this because we all know there is no such thing as a finished phone every phone is a relationship with the manufacturer in the carrier to get refinement and get updates over time yes and some companies do a really good job of addressing that and some companies don't if essential shows that they are a company who is going to be on board continuing that conversation with their customers there that's a win that's absolutely a win and that's absolutely worthy of a recommendation and I know people don't like to experiment with their phones but if you were one of those people who are looking pixel territory good software territory maybe you wanted like the Nokia because no key has been promising updates or something like that this is a phone that I would put on that list ya know and it's one of those things where again I I have nothing against iPhones it's hilarious how much people criticize in the daily like this guy always hates on Apple when I'm carrying them using an Apple watch in the video which automatically means the hook which automatically means that I'm using an iphone to power that Apple watch I use an iPad for audio yeah I'm sorry for people listening to the podcast I just held up my iPhone se yeah one of the best travel companion phones the world has ever seen and so here's the thing there's no hate towards Apple there's no hate to blame no hey what's whoever toured Samsung on the contrary it's just there is more in the world yeah well and it's also there's there's more in the world I remember last year and I'm sorry to cut you off I'm gonna forget this point I remember when we did the whole the whole pole between pocket now as to what we thought the best phone of the year was yeah I was against your you know in the end the phone that ended up winning was the v20 yeah I had not I had played with early xx I was against it over a couple of things and it had a lot of do a lot to do with bias it had a lot to do with it's not a popular phone right it's not the most powerful phone from a ship perspective right if you want to sort or whatever but you know if we have to be unbiased sit down and say which is the most complete package package right the most complete phone that you can buy right now the phone that literally has things that others don't have you were right hence the v20 there was the b20 it was the most bang for your buck and it was the mean obviously absent a note seven yeah it was the phone that did the best job of living up to what the manufacturer claimed it was supposed to be able to do yes and that to me is like that's a big selling that's also why I like coming to do these shows yeah if a company comes out there and they're they're modest and like they're humble and they say oh and this is something we're looking to address and this is something reg well I'm not gonna hit them hard on making outlandish claims of a company because that there's like this is the bestest most revolutionary thing ever and then looking all it's a good phone they've set a terror an expectation that they couldn't meet yeah right and so that's that's to me and it's ultimately for a lot of our coverage why I don't want people to miss an opportunity yeah you're gonna do fine with just about any phone on the market for covering the basics yeah above two hundred dollars us you can cover the basics like phone calls texting email respectable cameras like you're you're well served so once we start looking at like what is it that you really want to do and in this is why I get a little frustrated the best camera like there's no way to answer that question oh but if you tell me what it is that you like to shoot or what it is like I just want to pull the phone out of my pocket and not even touch to focus and just push a shutter button and get amazing color I can say iPhone or pixel iPhone or iPhone or pixel done that's easy but if you tell me like hey you know like I'm really into composition and or like I'm I need to shoot some really good video or I really want a photographic look for my photos I can go I guess a mate LG you know maybe you need a balance of features and Samsung really is the right fit for you like you care about you know like low-light photography and you kind of like to play with some manual but that's not really your thing oh my god so mean it's like it's that so galaxy so when when we that's why I mean like I never want to talk about wins or losses thumbs up thumbs down because it's always a spectrum and I feel a lot of consumers are probably using phones which are good and they get their stuff done but probably aren't the right fit for them they could be using a phone that is like absolutely 100% the perfect fit for them because we have enough variation in the market to still have that I mean we've all arrived at the same kind of idea for rectangle slab of glass can they're on the back but even within such a narrow design spec there's so many beautiful options for like unique features the unique settings you tell me you listen to music and you're not considering an LG V or an axon 7 you are missing out you're missing out big time Big Time and you know you make an amazing point I haven't thought about but yes I mean I think there is no such thing as a one-size-fits-all right now there is not there is a knob I don't think there ever will I hope there are never really is I guess the you know there are two phones that are the best all-rounders like they offer a little bit of everything and they do the best overall package and that would be an iphone or galaxy yeah and and to those two the two fo those two companies it was really hard to try and appeal in the drive so it's trying but it just it doesn't achieve the design it doesn't achieve like it fit the pixel feels rushed from a design perspective early it was the software just completely saves it yeah it's the most underrated can't like hmmm or pulling the camera for the first time and taking and I wasn't really expecting much I was like wah which one do you want I want the excels like okay I'll take whatever that was like I didn't want the Exile I took the Exile because I made you take the big phone for the for the last iPhone yeah and so but you know like there is no all right there's no perfect phone and so you know you might want the iPhone because your friends are on iMessage and FaceTime and that's a 10 benefits attend school does not have a messaging field oh god no but then if you don't like if you want phones that specialize on Pacific meets specific niches definitely LG is a creators dream yeah like all I need is a better selfie camera and this would be the perfect vlogging phone but again you could switch the wide-angle turn it around and you can still achieve that same this phone is only one or two app generations away from being a one-stop shop for mobile production yes I mean from the audio from the audio so the mics are phenomenal mics are phenomena have features like monitoring really cool features like when you're shooting video it's feeding you the audio as it's giving you a vu meter so you know you're not clipping you can dial in your volume and stuff you want to 3 I mean this is gonna have its own editing suite but when I sort of like launch power director and I can work with templates I can work with layers text transitions vlog video log video that you can color braid on the phone we I legitimately could it would be it would be a lot slower working process than having my nice camera in my laptop and everything to work but legitimately I could create content from this which would be very similar to the content that I can produce from my actual production kit so here so close mobile I think Apple was just too early with the iPad pro to call it a pro agree we are so close to these tools really rivaling the main line creation tools that we we've grown accustomed to I have to agree and here's the thing if you're a new youtuber or you want to get into the business of YouTube yeah the v30 get a V 30 yeah that's all that's really don't waste your money on a camera you still need to buy a phone I would rather you have a little more money you've already got the microphones here right you've got far better microphones than some microphones mics yeah you've got far better imaging that some cameras that you can buy I mean what cameras do we have the Duloc video Tommy you've got to climb up to like like mid tier semi-pro camera equipment yes you need a $1,000 camera for log video that alone I mean the the plot deck on this thing like how much you need to pay just you did the comparison with a with that with a $400 standalone Pheo x5 which has an amazing DAC and it's the only amp that I've tested on a mobile device that does actually beat the v20 yeah but only by a couple DB and the V 20s quality numbers were neck-and-neck yeah so you I mean I think there is a reason why someone would want to buy so like let's say you're rocking like a hallway where we know we always don't have the best audio output you rack a huawei and Anna feel you've got a great combo or you could get a V all in one device and that's it and that's it and and you know I love that you made that point of you know not one size fits all like hey I mean to the point like best all-rounders iPhone and Samsung definitely best niche products for full creation is to be 34 photography I would give it to Huawei for stills I still think so but tah grafite yeah not video not video the video is good I mean especially on the on the the P template Plus yes video is good I'm not gonna say the video is excellent no but it also is the techie cool feature always audio yeah the audio is a big glaring hole in their lineup right now they need to work they need to work on audio really well actually you know what we should probably do is wrap this up though vieta's Huawei actually has an effect that we have to get to I didn't realize we had to actually been talking for 90 minutes I was like hey let's just do like a 40 minute podcast I mean and it's never gonna 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