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I'm once again wearing a microphone that makes me look like a boy band member performing on stage but if you have been listening to the podcast since I started hosting you know that usually means a special edition is coming your way and besides speaking of wearable technology that's exactly what this edition of the weekly is all about coming together after the Qualcomm Snapdragon wear event we have a lot of special guests today to talk about the Snapdragon were 3100 and what it means for our smartwatches and given the fact that this is one of the only times during the year that we can all congregate into one place and I have the ability to press record on it we do talk a little bit about the trials and tribulations of being a creator hello everybody and welcome to episode 323 of the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers recorded on Monday September 10 2018 from smartphones we moved to smartwatches and all of the different types of wearable tech that they still aren't releasing but you wish you had when you were a kid so let's go ahead and get chatting I am your host for the weekly it's Josh or vegara what's going on everybody and we are joined by hi meter Vetta the host of the PocketNow daily you all know who he is I'm sure a lot of you will be really excited to know that after I took on hosting this podcast I was really happy to get Michael Fisher the mr. Mobile himself to come back to the podcast after all this was his baby once upon a time and he has given his blessing for me to take it on to in his words evolve it further we're also joined by Danny winget who is always fun to be around and we're really happy to have him on the podcast also with us as someone you may know as tech me out ravinok Austin is on the podcast and then finally we have some chime ins from a1 Russell Holley of Android Central who was accompanying Michael Fisher on our journey to the breather room where we finally were able to record this podcast there are a lot of big names on this podcast for today so make sure you head over to the show notes if you want to follow any of them across social media or on their own respective YouTube channels they also give their shout outs over at the end of the episode so make sure you stay tuned until the end for that as well but with that said let's go ahead and fade into our episode on a coffee fueled afternoon in San Francisco I'd pick pick up that mic let's do this you know I'm doing the intro afterwards so we're just gonna we're fading in right now whenever you're ready alright I can't believe you got the reference design watch I have to give it back okay fine but I hope you think it looks kind of cool about it is the rotating crown yes or the rotating side button or RSB is what you're referring to is the internal Google nomenclature for the best feature of a wear last device hey you guys just released the LG watch sport meat ball and it has a great rotating thing what do you call the crown and they're like the RSB oh my sweet I'm into it you felt so Star Trek right then yeah man so why don't we get like a small recap of like what is like it's being covered by all the coffee everyone needed to be on the cast but we have the chip right here the chip is actually in there that the coprocessor is in there okay so what we're looking at JV uh-huh is what like a tiny little thing that's what a quarter the size of a pinky nail there's like a very small piece of likeness so freakin micro yeah yeah yes and I was I would led to understand that this was the coprocessor which was part of a larger wafer oh it says it does say the team cheering so that's the whole thing we're looking at the 3100 that is the whole Russell's like it's a party okay so this is actually the snapdragon 3100 is the same SOC as the 2120 nanometer process yeah which by the way is twice the size of the chip that's in the new samsung galaxy watch the thing that is different is this coprocessor which is separate so it's actually the same physical hardware with with this separate smaller and that's why they're making such a big deal out of the the coprocessor coprocessor being so much smaller ah because they're they didn't they intentionally didn't tell us that the regular processor for this is actually the exact same physical size because it's the same silicon yeah as in the original process is that I had made my script for my video thank you so this is just somewhat misleading like text on here because it says it's basically something marketing the platform and then she's holding up a lucite block containing yeah yeah yeah you take it apart while while recording a video and for Danny the coprocessor will fall out and be lost and think it's tiny though it is very small so Vimy so what what let's let's uh for anybody that doesn't know what we're looking at here and why this is so important today in particular what does this coprocessor looking to do in the snapdragon 3100 platform and wants to take it away I think I think the the importance of this coprocessor is obviously to give you the best battery life which is the biggest flaw I think in any SmartWatch right now is because you're charging it daily or you're charging it once every two days and this is an ultra-low power processor or a coprocessor to help with those things and it's a an independent processor on its own which is kind of interesting that they would still use this part of an SOC where you have essentially a main processor and a coprocessor when that can actually function on its own already mm-hmm so that's where it's interesting anybody else you because you've been now I've been looking at this thing for all day so you had a long conversation at our podcast last week yeah over my disappointment I told them about swatches my disappointment about smartwatches is and always on display that's not so good or limited my disappointment has always been that Fitness on where OS is terrible with the exception of the polar m600 and then my other disappointment is obviously you know battery life just it's not great and so it seems that this 3100 is addressing all of this through that coprocessor that coprocessor takes over whenever you're not using the watch for launching applications which nobody uses apps on smart watches anyways true I mean I don't think yeah I feel like a lot of us are in that boat but you know and we're the geeks that are supposed to tax them yeah right right right whenever I fire up a Smart Watch app it's very typically to do it for a review video right it's like here you can play Tetris on it or whatever it's like where you know Spotify will help you if you want to download offline music and stuff but all these use cases are so far outside of what I use we'll watch for executively use them just for notifications and you tell me you don't watch videos on your galaxy watch weird right yeah you can only watch snapchat [Laughter] Highfill eda spies all three of you right now I'm the only way of this podcast does not have a galaxy watch oh I just realized that yeah sorry man sorry oh I'm a second but you're the you're the host of this podcast is the only one with a yellow S Pen on the purple Samsung Galaxy Note nice thank you very much I am I'm how did that come to be by the way okay so I went with I got the lavender one and actually you can get the s-pen for 50 bucks at Best Buy and well they do sell them separately then they do even that leak was proved correct okay there you go nice I have I have the yellow S Pen here and even though this was a lavender phone I put a skin on the back and then a fine brand yeah the villain of my favorite video game of all time Mega Man X there you go man there we go man anyway did the I wanted to bring up the Galaxy watch because first of all I'm you all have the 46 millimeter eye look I think we all have the 46 yeah yeah I told them whenever you finally decide to get me 1 2 42 so hopefully hopefully that what's the decision on the 42 why because I want to see how it is I want to see how the watch performs and looks and like blends with the style when it's a lot more accessible to a lot of people because even the 46 if I were to put that on right now I would probably feel a little bit no I'm just a little too big I have speck wrists I'm taking it out for three runs already I will tell you it is heavier than the average fitness couch for running you've also got like a big old I'm not using rolling garage door on there big beefy metal link wristbands obviously switch well cuz accessibility on a SmartWatch is kind of half the battle if you're going to look at a slew of smartwatches and one of them is really big and you don't really it's not that you don't like wearing it but it's big you're not gonna wear it as much true so the 42 I want to see that actually be it make the difference gotcha in the design even if it's the pink one I don't care but you do get hit with a little battery life though right exactly has a smaller so you got smaller battery battery life for you guys because for me it's funny I woke up one day and it was dead yeah so would you leave always on display honest though its number one question don't I try okay the first day I was at 50% battery the next I'm getting I really any watch that does not have enough power to tell me the time whether I'm looking at it or not whether I'm moving it or not like it's just I have a very hard time accepting so I leave always on display on and I get about two days to two and a half days between the charges on the 46 that is perfect I don't know if it's perfect it's not what I'm getting it needs more but it's better than what was out there well one of the things that was announced today at the thing was that now the the 3100 is gonna have native support for I think I read this right for dual displays right yeah stuff that tick watch and Casio have been doing now will be natively supported you won't have to get a manufacturer to do something special with it yeah and which is fantastic that's great really cuz that's what I'm so spoiled now by wearing those big chunky Cassio's all the time which you know for all the other things you can say about them when the main display is off and that LCD is on up top you can read it in any condition yeah and you don't share as well but in the tick watch behaves exactly the same yeah so like that's fantastic it just takes a long time to get from the minimal display back into the just that amount of time is really annoying because you're basically it's oh you mean to switch out of I'm sorry just switch out of the timepiece my exact power mode you're booting the watching the watch and it's just kind of annoying I just mean when that secondary display comes on when it goes into standby yeah so when the main display turns out that's on yes so what are your impressions over the 3100 Mike I was just looking at my favorite paragraph of my notes because it like breaks down everything annika to know less indeed didn't feel didn't feel great run glass so I bust up my key to fill up here brought to you by blackberry low power mode power reductions versus the 2100 this is what I love low power mode uses 67% less power on the 3100 GPS uses 49 percent less key word detection for okg 43% less the clock update for once a minute you know like telling the time is 35 percent light mp3 player 34% avoids quick they take so much less power to do everything yeah and that should result in a lot better battery life and then in the very next paragraph they're like yeah four hours to 12 hours over existing designs and I'm like that doesn't sound like a lot that was a confusing slide right very confusing slide but apparently I think there's different ways to interpret that that that slide in particular because four hours to 12 hours is like active use and not sitting there in standby yeah so that could translate to a day to day and a half more yeah power consistent I think if you are within that 95 to 5 ratio that they came up with where users 5 percent of the time just want the time and everybody else you know sorry users just want the time 95 percent of the time and then 5% they'll be using the watch actively mmm how do you that what do you agree with that number ah I do and I'm a big SmartWatch fan and I wouldn't say I use it more than 5% of my day I guess yeah I guess I guess that seems a little middling like I I wouldn't say that I thought the SmartWatch skeptic and I feel like 5 is kind of low I feel it's low because of the amount of notifications we get yeah but what do you do with the notifications though you just swipe them away that's it or you just look at him and you move on that's the thing but the moment you do that you automatically switch from the coprocessor to the big processor yes so that 5% at least in my user scenario that won't that won't fly yeah I don't know go ahead but don't you have to actually physically touch the display to make it go to the to the regular processor right not the coprocessor or handling that side of it though yeah so does the coprocessor does the coprocessor handle the notification side yes yes notifications yeah take a moment you flip it on and activate the screen you're back into the dayside regular platform and you're interacting with the watch but still it's such a short time when you interact with the watch and you're going back Juliano where OS where you can't even read the damn notifications yes of course anybody used a new where so far yeah the Casio at Aoife had it and but what do you think is a dramatic dramatic it looks better yeah I feel like it's more functional yeah I agree like basically you've gone from this model where there's a lot of conflicting UI elements to like okay swipe in from the four cardinal corners of the compass to do everything did you say a function way I don't know which I would love to hear that term used for UI design that's great yeah yeah that's very function way but but it is right it's like you swipe down from the top four settings you swipe up for notifications you swipe left for google fit you swipe right for google feet for now that's that's super simple and it's been overhauled to be black like you know so that if you have an AMOLED panel there's not you're not senselessly illuminating a white card for no reason you know it's just like how are you expecting the notifications to from other applications because obviously it's in a controlled environment you have hangouts and you have you know in this demo version but like if you have something from an app that usually populates so much data on a notification when it don't look weird there well you're gonna have to scroll past the amount of text that it's trying to render in that little oh in the stream in the notification window I imagine it probably does some smart what do you call it sonication yeah yeah I hope so because those those everything was coming out perfectly there's no truncation in the demo of breakfast it's always Alice yang exactly if you want to go hang out tonight I'm so sick of I wonder what it would look like if when it's truncated it's gonna be annoying and that's it's always been annoying on a SmartWatch for me it's I don't know I feel where OS has I honestly I haven't had enough time with the new version I the things that would disappoint me the most were the fact that I needed another watch to be able to do Fitness it couldn't just be one watch for every yep and so I would like google fit is the worse to start with and so another thing that I like about this you know this whole coprocessors thing is the improvements to Fitness and the fact that now OMS will be able to tailor their own Fitness algorithms to the watch it won't be dictated by the Qualcomm chip and they also what they integrated the GPS into the chipset now or something the what they said sensor fusion or something that they attached the GPS now to the to the chipset so that that's what makes it more efficient and faster so that could be something where I mean for you I'm a you work out quite a bit when you run for long periods of time I mean like you said if you can use one watch now to do Fitness and your regular SmartWatch though this could be a big deal because you know if you're running for an hour hour and a half and then that GPS is not getting it's not just obliterating your entire battery life yeah you know but the metrics that they provided were a little bit weird and the refresh was to just three hours for fitness no an Apple watch will last a lot longer but did they say that during those situations that can go up to 15 like yeah they said they can in the case of layers but they were like the standard of the industry right now is three hours for fitness activities not the case of the Apple watch Wow the Apple watch will last a lot longer than that you'd do a full marathon and still have enough juice to get home yeah cuz I've gone cycling with the that I usually do like an hour and a half and I don't find it to because they were saying that it could deplete 50% of the battery life in that period I mean like continuous GPS tracking yeah yeah yeah but it doesn't it doesn't take away fifty percent of energy I can't wear a watch when I do martial arts I can't tell you sorry I didn't know that around housing the the GPS module this is one of my favorite things about like Qualcomm announcements because they will sit there up on stage and literally tell you stuff like yeah we took the GPS module we put it on a different place in the DSP and they're like made the power amplifier out of gallium arsenide this time fully nerding out and none of this is gonna be usable but it was close like we moved the gps module a couple microns closer to to this to this core component and that is gonna result in increased accuracy and better and more efficient power management it's like this kind of stuff the kind of science that goes into this is really really compelling to admire yeah of course like yeah we are the 5% of them and even compared to the 95 that everyone else is just like oh that's cool yeah and then what are the people realize how hard that is probably an engineering yeah right look at the size of that thing and you ever think moving things just a little bit is yeah but it's just hilarious just from a consumer perspective I've read comments or it's like oh just 10 nanometers but the other one is 14 it's better I'm like this oh right sure yeah so by bringing it back for a second to the galaxy watch do we have any information as to what the SOC sees architecture is and how I know it's a smaller nanometer yes an external processor but I think this is a new chipset if I'm not mistaken it's the same architecture but on actually it can't be the same architecture but it's not it's on a smaller nanometer process but it's that the performance is very similar to the older watch like the gear s3 frontier and things like that so informants wise but that's why it's getting better battery life I wish we have more of that info though cuz like yeah but this will be direct comparison to my understanding the first company ever come up with the concept in mobile for the coprocessor that handled motion was Apple with when they AE whatever set seven I think it was wait hold up was that before moto at the Moto X first gen came out with its coprocessor that always monitored for the camera twist action question I don't know yeah we got a confirmation from Russell that yeah yeah because you had they had to have that for the voice stuff right yeah but there was nothing before that that as far as I know moto was the first one to implement oh I was nodding to the Apple did yes so but it's it's a necessary being is that now this to our understanding nobody has bragged about a coprocessor handling the the light lifting on on smartwatches I don't wearable first I just wish we had that info cuz I would I really want to see it direct comparison cuz I'm excited to try the galaxy watch because I was a fan of the gear s3 and I want it to last more than two days and I'd really love to see that happen my gear history with last two days yeah would last two days for me I want that for five really need we really need this is the week is what we need yeah yeah and that's the thing I think I said that in your video you know Josh and I know you're with me on this we started with smartwatches with the pebble mhm and you could get four days out of the pebble even if you were using the hell out of it yep yep so that's you have to like on have to remove that memory once you have it do any of you what you okay you're wearing a motive ring so I know what the answer is to this money but do you guys do any sleep tracking at all yeah that's one of the reasons where I use gallic the galaxy watch yeah because I use sleep as Android whether it's on the galaxy watcher on iOS watch and has a companion app but like it's using processing power overnight so you're cutting more battery life so I want that to be remedied by these new smartwatches otherwise I'm gonna remain a skeptic that's why I have this this last for three weeks factors because I mean look at these watches I mean you if you want a really slim design you're gonna get small battery unless the batteries change yeah battery tech has to change yeah I think that's gonna be the next revolution in everything I mean we just need better battery tech very sorry now you're awake well we have we we had Russell a couple times earlier but Savina did you want to join us yeah I'm through I'm gonna surrender my mic for a hot second it became a party up in here I like it yeah but also like we haven't we have like really soft lighting coming through the windows so we're like all chilled out and you're right Danny the moment I hit record your voice changed I'm sorry I had to go soft and mellow for this Danny normally I'll be a little wilder than this Michael could you just it's looking okay all right cool he's on card together all right so uh why don't you give our audience a little bit of background with you well I run a channel YouTube known as tech me out and on my channel I pretty much cover a lot of like unboxings tutorials top Android apps top iPhone apps so guess I try to do a little bit of everything but it's all tech based welcome we apologize in advance for everything we talked about why how did you feel about the announcements today I mean I remember seeing you a lot at shows and whatnot recently more recently and it's really fun to have you good to be there yeah how do you feel about the 3100 I like it um I know I was telling Danny earlier that but um I like the fact that it does kind of merge what you would go to a SmartWatch for and then a regular watch so that you don't have to choose yeah yeah because I know sometimes that I do find myself torn based upon certain features that I may want in that moment and but I think the thing I'm really excited about is the fact that it's a little detail but big you can always see your watch yeah yeah that makes a huge difference and it's like I think I've gotten so accustomed to not being able to see it that when they said it it was like you know what that would be nice yeah so this is the only thing about the Apple watch two things about well it's not the only there are two things that the Apple watch does great risk detection is one of yes it's the watch that gets it right every time like it could be the smallest movement but it knows exactly that the movement this way is not for the watch phase like it knows which particular movement it always works and then the second one like seriously Fitness is it's very accurate in terms of series one is the worst I still tell people do not buy it to launch the apps will still not work that well yeah three and I'm like you're still not gonna care about the apps but then the watch actually works really well it's just the ugliest watch in the market and that's what I was going to talk about like I know some people have a preference towards a circular design or a square design and I do have a Samsung watch at home as well so I like the design on that but it's something about the circular design I don't know this looks better I guess cuz it's more like a traditional watch none for me the materials as well like aluminum you drop that watch on concrete it'll look yeah horrible yeah yeah I think they missed the mark on that because it just the watch isn't is not very pretty whatsoever and I think especially for females I think it's it's even worse because you know like like we can put like a metal band on it make it chunky make it look a little better but for females is really tough yeah I have to admit so we'll see what I mean the new Apple watch is not gonna really be much different honestly I mean it's got some you know there's rumors that they're doing a bit although there that there's gonna be everything's gonna be ceramic yeah the backside of that the backs are ceramic you know yeah they're currently ceramic anyways yeah ever since series to the back of ceramic but they want to do ceramic all the way around exactly it's how they gonna sell this for the same price and it's a bit quite well ceramic the here's the thing when they came up with the Apple watch edition I'm like why is it so much more expensive just because it's ceramic like sure ceramic is not gonna scratch like stainless steel but it's not that much more expensive that's best Apple tax it's brittle yeah you gotta define that it's cuz you got the addition that's why yeah but it's not which was that one again okay my god thousand thousand something it's before amazed like that one that's expensive I will always cringe when I hear that that number watch it is Wow yes yes I think the one thing that we forgot today was where I think another thing cool about the 3100 is that how you can pretty much shut off the larger processor and like if you you can always have the watch on which is great because it's like when is the last time I mean I've done that plenty of times where if your watch is dead and it's still in your wrist it is completely a brick you can't do anything with this a baseball with this you can literally make the watch you're gonna have it function as a watch and and extend that battery life which is I think a big you can turn off the a 7 yes you can yeah see that's a big deal yeah that is a really big so now you can have a functional watch without the rest as charged yeah it's fully charged until last year 30 days 30 days and it has the dual the dual display so you can put that watch face on there so you can yeah watch so now that's another this-- game-changing in the smallest ways I feel like what everything compounds to be a big platform I did not catch that old you have 20% battery you can it'll it'll give you the option to automatically switch and the battery will last you for a week just doesn't watch it kind of reminds me similar to the note 9 I know like typically when I was on my iPhone and I'm on 20 to 30% I get nervous because I know it's about to go down at any moment you know but with the note I didn't get that type of vibe like when it hit that mark I don't know it's just working so well to utilize my battery life it has left so it kind of puts me in the mindset of that especially knowing that Qualcomm is powering that as well as with the wire so yeah unless you're gonna paint 2 and 20% is like you've got three more days yeah we're in a really great place in terms of battery life when it comes attack like everyone to making better try this year and I think it started with a key one last year one was legendary it was a legendary blader you know what the problem the funny part is like we went through the briefings they sent us the units and they never said that the battery life was legendary yeah and it's not until I started using the phone and I'm like oh I'm still at 80% and it's the end of the first day and then the next day oh I'm still at 65% it's the end of the second day and I'm like what were you guys gonna tell me that this processor was so good mm-hmm you know well I wasn't working with but then it started then you lose there for a while and got laggy after the honeymoon stage is over then you're like uh but you know ya know what the battery life II one was always laggy yeah hey shut this off blackberry and I'm so proud key to user all right and I I want to put my key one in a glass case and just be like I'm always gonna so two things that are missing here hmm your keyboard in your pop socket oh I I didn't want to put a pop socket on here until like what's the Caesar I was sure that the skin because it would hold the pop sorry I don't want the skin it doesn't look like a JV phone I mean if you look at every other customization yeah I just wanted I wanted a black and yellow phone so I Wendy brand was like hey did you get to know nine and I was like yeah and then at my doorstep was every single skin though man yeah and it gave me two of each yeah do it for me it's hilarious how much I complained about having the black no date and just because it's so difficult to film and such a large phone it's just the worst and now that I have this blue note 9 I'm like oh I was looking at my comparison footage well as I was putting the review together last night and I'm like God that black note aid looked really cool anyways like it looked really badass yeah I would a hundred percent get the black one and buy a Levin 100% yeah yeah that would be exactly what I think but I still think I like what I'm not buying it yeah yes my shoes that's all I need one is out the blue one I like the view cuz it's still I don't know like the fact that it's still kind of dark like the one to my bag over there but I have the lavender you made the calls that you said you were gonna make yes I did yes I did I have two of them sorry hey what is it lilac yeah yes yeah using it without a case you don't care I don't care this one's already got a crack on it oh no what strut has been dropped my son decided to swap this out of my hands there's a crack in that corner right here single hairline cracks I believe are covered by the warranty no nice I don't know I'll have to figure it out but it's he you can see the bottom where it hit right there ooh but you know what this thing came out hits straight concrete and did not I mean that's test to the bill quality didn't on the first yeah well on the second new to unit okay no no behind me is gonna go smash this scene with Josh Oberg are being like it's drop test time we need those again that is such an old life let's go to was it at Hong Kong it was Hong Kong a long time ago this is a former life remember that before we had slow-motion you slow down the regular footage it was like remember the name of the plug-in on After Effects but yeah exactly and it would look all warped out and everything yeah those crazy yeah doing drop tests now would be so easy cuz like you can just use phones yeah you have like awesome slow-motion on folks 1080 and you just build a senator Blaine that's all what are you dropping outside though yeah middle of uh Quarry Bay I think in Hong Kong yeah I was really more people thinking when they were seeing you do that on it's like you I got it I got quite a few looks and I actually that we actually got a small crowd one time yeah and they were just watching and they were just like oh I can just see it now I would say something now but I don't want you it's always like you can just hear the accents going crazy yeah that moment of silence when the phone drops anywhere yeah it's like everything just it's not quiet for a hot second like yeah everybody looks wrangled yes right when they slo-mo everything the moment that something's like falling or dropping or whatever because that's literally how your mind works the moment that phone is on is what on its way down the only thing that beats the clattering to the ground sound is when you're on a plane and some of their drops a phone oh and it's just that carpet is so thin and it just reverberates through the whole plane and everyone's looking under their chairs oh my god cuz there's somebody like two seats down drop their phone and I was like which one that I drop did I hurt you key yeah you you we were talking about this he came with eight no I brought the one plus six I brought the p20 pro the pixel to excel the iPhone ten sadly they're creeping up to eight bro okay now we've been talking about the poor battery life on my iPhone 10 I'm charging it right now my battery life on my iPhone 10 is not so bad because I rarely use it now there was a time when it was like my go-to phone yeah and the biggest problem is it's I get comments all the time they're like why are you always using an iPhone you're always using an iPhone and I'm probably reviewing another phone and I'm like cuz you guys want Instagram stories and those are they still suck on Android they're better but like this phone particularly will halt its will crawl the moment that you're using social media for some stupid I think it's a bug within within this phone my Instagram yeah yeah and also of you if you still have seen detection active on the phone it'll take like a split second but it'll pause like the viewfinder yeah for some stupid reason in the case of the note 9 and so that's the problem like if we want to do social media we sadly you have to carry a damn iPhone if we want to do QA you remember when when you wanted to do responses on your Q&A and video oh poor my do stories yeah I was like how do you get that picture in the background of your answers for the for the questions on IG stories and she's like I'm on an iPhone I was using just one plus 6 and I was like I'm actually using the Instagram beta and even they're still not features not they're so annoying you see and that's the thing man I mean at least iPhone you I give them that social media always runs better but you know I I don't think it's it's iPhone per se I think it's developer developers developers just want to support iPhones because how many SKUs do they have to support like how many is not as hard it's not as difficult for its lazy developers no but I mean you were like on pixel and stuff I mean it should be a lot better you know like things coming up visual corpse you know that support and all that should help no like they did the change like in the past Instagram for example was literally a screenshot of the screen yeah exactly it wasn't real like it was not on the camera itself Wow no but that's what visual court a when they gave it that access now it's coming from the camera instead of the screenshot stuffs that's why snapchat sucks so bad on Android yeah it's horrible yeah it's never good where are your specs by the way I'm okay that's deaf or HOH little people care about snapchat knows well though yeah nobody talks about spectacles they were like mortifying yes better looking once yes oh you don't look like such a douche when you're out there exactly cuz you do have that little bit of that factor whenever we're just imagine you running up to somebody those are my comments on my note 9 review oh he's like great video bulldog face and like so the internet is just cruel like ii so it's so you're better looking at me you should see the guy's face it's like I love that this turned into like the trials and tribulations of the influencer because these are the only times that we all really gets it again we talked about 3100 for like 10 minutes yeah you can - except the turn influencer Michael he has disowned us I couldn't find a better word I just hate that like media content producer like okay cool but that's all I can really what the funny part is that I was in Berlin on the Metro and there was this probably 16 - say I'm gonna bring it back to smartwatches soon there was this 16 - 17 year-old girl just standing you know she was heading somewhere she her makeup and everything clearly pointed out to somebody that was like into a lot of whatever music or whatever and her ID said influencer and so I'm like what are the boundaries of the term influencer right it is super generalized and actually I'm not a huge fan of it either honestly but so what do you like to refer to yourself as well I mean we just use Danny we're just sayin but I mean Indiana and I create content I just feel like it's just creating yeah it's just a big generalized thing but that's what we are we create content I mean yeah yeah but the thing is that the creator yeah you're an influencer by the trade that you do because you are you know people follow you people see what you do and then if you like something then you know somebody else might like it too so maybe I can see where the term comes from influencer but I just don't think it's the right term I remember hearing one time I got called it one time to you a thought leader where's that makes it sound like I'm with the wrong crowd I thought yes I'm saying she said thought leader are you saying th ot no dude that's a joke I'm making it when someone calls you that I feel like I'm running with the wrong crowds oh and thought isn't your an opinion leader folly which is a really weird term as well influencer now exactly were there all right well when it comes to the smartwatches I'm one thing that really stood out to me during the presentation was that they weren't just talking they were talking about smartwatches in particular but there were other categories that they alluded to that they were going to be developing for I got excited when he said contacts because I really want that so once I still don't have the new app techs capable headphones it's either that or it's some new Bluetooth protocol but it was something where that so you know that the way they work right now is one headphone is piggybacking on the yeah okay so the new technology will allow each headphone to independently connect yes yeah and therefore because one is not in that pic one discharges more than the other and therefore the that's the reason why battery life on these are so little apparently that'll up to double the battery life on really looking forward to that for sure this is qualcomm man like I ever since we did that tour you weren't in that era were you in the frozen dude I was like from what they're building in drones yeah obviously what they're doing a mobility I like for me augmented reality is like whatever but they're there they're there working on everything but they are pretty much doing a lot of stuff that other people don't know about like you don't really notice it like when we went on the tour that was a thing is you realize how much technology that Qualcomm has been a part of yeah and it's actually mind-blowing to know that there's a lot of the stuff that wouldn't even be here if it wasn't for a Qualcomm this is pretty nuts that's what's really smart by Snapdragon thing like yeah needs to be dense we pushed more inside I just feel like that they haven't pushed themselves forward to tell the history of this company because the company is so heavily invested in the old cell phone technologies and everything else that came to be so you hear and you're like well how come this is the first time I'm hearing about it while I was a story not out there I was amazed and then when I thought about it and it's little things like you'll see powered by Qualcomm or Qualcomm or just something on the device in which you're using but you're so caught up in the device you really don't pay attention to the little things like that like what's helping this be what it is as great as it is yeah younger dog I see it as typically not as the funny part it's yes you know some companies it's like it's like LG and their smartphones like they're they don't do a great job at marketing their smart phones and their great phones you know it's some companies are like that yeah so what yeah yeah I was gonna say maybe they're not the greatest phones but I'm not saying that it's like there's nothing perfect per se you know but they do have good phones but they're completely I feel like every year that's LG's talk we're always like okay the most underrated phone this year is and it'll be like the G Series or the V Series it's always it's always underrated because they don't push their smart phones enough and they're always really crappy with timing for some reason yeah they're always falling behind other people's releases and just people just don't seem to care about those phones I mean that that's the reason why people like us like we have to make sure that we are thought leaders and Michael Fisher carries around the g7 for that wide-angle all day so we know about that which is probably the most practical secondary lens that there is no so for everybody looking for the what is the underrated influencer that would be mr. Michael Fisher are you from the couch so okay we talked about how smart watches you you you had a thought about I don't want to say that word anymore now that we made the joke you had an opinion that the circular design of a SmartWatch is a lot more desirable and I and I agree with you with that um but I remember making the argument back in the day that I wish smartwatches would just go radical just go for something crazy and wasn't there something in the add the new be alpha well that's one and there something like that insult the newbie alpha because according to them it's not a smart watch what is this supposed to be you get you get the same thing Michael Michael you should talk about it cuz you really only oh yeah watch both of you guys video about that are you talking about the new V alpha the wearable smartphone the wearable smartphone are you gonna like not gonna work yeah well here's the thing it's it's an interesting use of a flexible OLED display that wraps around your entire wrist yeah it would be a lot more interesting if it didn't look like you they had to saw an Apple watch in half and put it on either side of it to make it work but yeah you've got to have some somewhere to put the camera and the buttons and stuff I get that but it's it's just so so much reference design and so not likely to be a consumer product even though they're saying holiday 2018 dude and the thing about it was just the the conversation with them was like no this is not a SmartWatch it's a smartphone it's a wearable smartphone according to them and so I'm like okay okay good and and what's the timing what are the thoughts on this concept like what the plan that they're like this is not a concept this is a product sure and fine you can get away with saying that but not at the same trade show where like every time I think about maybe reaching out to touch it you have like you know a dude ready to tackle me it's not ready in any sense of the word in the South Hall of CES right yeah they only had two on site that I saw there that's ray two on this okay and then they had a third one but it was it was no you couldn't show the first of all everything that was on the display was a demo you couldn't touch it you couldn't even touch the hardware I was like okay so that and I was like is that tainless steel and they're like they don't know right and aluminum they don't know what version of Android is this we're not saying what silicon does it run on we're not saying it is like okay we're gonna launch this in the next three months and it does and that's actually the last point I wanted to make like the only reason that I stuck around and did a video on it was because it is from Nubia and they've been around a long time you know they were a part of ZTE and they were spun off and they've made some cool stuff they've got that gaming phone they're like there they started the squeeze feature edge thing with the almost bezel list display on one of their phones and it was like this brick it was it was made to be squeezed where if you squeezed it with light squeeze they made it so that it would be able to detect how many fingers are on one side so so clearly your thumbs on one side but if you were to squeeze it with like two fingers on the other side it would be one function three four yeah yeah the edge was able to detect how many points of pressure were being applied Oh which Microsoft was doing that on the canceled McLaren on one of their windows phones that oh my it's like one of my first mr. mobile videos you know did one as well but ya know like it was that was such such cool stuff and I am NOT surprised at all that it found its way into a into a Nubia yeah this was a long time ago too it was like my first Aoife or something like that but the thing is like I just want to see more of those designs just appear like one of my dreams like being the guy who uses something on an ad-hoc basis like I just want this to be a easy to use Notification Center you know what this does I I said this on the cast last week I haven't set up so that the the app on the phone only sends notifications based upon a string of search terms and that one search term I put in there is my girlfriend's name so one might win it on the gear no no on the me BAM so whenever any notification comes in in the word ISA isn't that notification this vibrates Wow no my god my girlfriend wants to talk to me so like that's what I want I want that level of customization but would be great if we could just get like you know those slap bands remember those yeah yeah yeah why can't that be just like an ePaper display and just boom and it just turns into like a notification thing that's that should be all it is it's because it's too simple and that's the problem is simple sometimes is the key yeah manufactures don't want to make something simple they want to make things everything absolutely but see that's the problem when you have engineers coming up with the names of the products or the functionality because they could come up with a lot of things the question is what exactly is it that you're gonna use or not what do you find you like yourselves using the most for your SmartWatch what is like your go-to things Fitness Fitness is not there like I have a box like one of those watch cases I have one of those full of smartwatches and I will either drift or a gears 3 yeah which is now this galaxy watch or an Apple watch that's all I'm gonna use because for me I I hate the whole idea of I woke up in the morning and I have no sleep tracking because on on where OS it's terrible unless you use that particular app and it's not even that great and so and then you go train but then you're going with another watch and that one is not connected to the same ecosystem and then you go a go downtown for example probably for a shoot I made all these steps and all that informations not there and so for me it has to be like if I start my day I want to start my day with one watch yeah and ended with that watch and so that for me that's Fitness is key and those are the only two watches and if I had to pick between both of them like the Apple watch wins by a long shot yeah not the best execution like for example things that upset me about the Apple watches if there are no if they're trying to force developers to create an app for their for the watch and so if you don't have an app the notifications are very limited and interaction and so that for me on its own is like oh it's it's it's frustrating further not to be consistency which is one thing that I like about where OS where every every notification is the same things I like about where OS versus other things that I like about watch OS are funny I hate Apple Maps but turn by turn out but walking directions walking navigation is better on the Apple watch it's it's hilarious when when Google when Android wear well where OS would be like head Northwest to this and then I'm like do you really think that I'll be popping out a watch if I know exactly where Northwest is I that's the reason why I don't know where I am you know I don't I don't there's not a compass for me to know where Northwest is and so the one thing that I like about the Apple watches is gonna be like head left turn right it's very discreet too so like say for instance we're in San Francisco I don't want people to know that maybe I don't know where I'm at I can feel it vibrate it's like and it does it constant like you're gonna be turning soon and so that you know discreetly that you're going to be turning that's another thing yeah and you just did the the motion of I use this because it has a very strong vibration motor mm-hmm and in subtle it's not too hard but it's definitely enough to get such a problem waking up in the morning I almost got that shock bracelet okay I just I I agree and like I love the Michaels review of the first Apple watch now Michael this whole perspective of yeah you have the the rotating crown but then you have to interact with the display instead of interacting with the button like who came up with that design of the user interface so you don't like spinning no so spin it but then have that that be a button not that you have to spend the rotating crown and the intentional straightener that's counterintuitive and the same thing with the GATT with the Galaxy watch where you you rotate the bezel but then you can't press the bezel or something like that so if you remember blackberries when they had that that the wheel it was you would rotate the wheel and then select with that not channelling sure that easily just make that rotating thing touch-sensitive so you can rotate it and just tap it I'd like a tick watch the first tick watch did you ever use the tick watch one and - the first one - no this is the first time I've ever oh that those were awesome because you start to interact with the with the screen and that will always be a pain point for me when it comes to smartwatches cuz if I'm gonna spend that much time going like this I might so just take out my damn phone yeah that's something I've always hated about smartwatches personally but the tick watch had this little like touch sensor very on the side so you could just be you should just go like that on though and it doesn't roll it was kind of nice they called it the tickle did you ever accidentally did you ever accidentally trigger that no never actually it wasn't neat it was just high enough on the body that your wrist wouldn't like cause it to happen but you had to deliberately go like this okay it was kind of nice and and just just little things like that just make me happy when it comes to smartwatches and we don't get enough of that like the last thing was this and the secondary screen take watch pro this is the last innovation so if something like this will feed even better innovation from these smartwatches because they can be used more often yeah then I want that to be the case yeah for me I ever since the first pebble which was my first SmartWatch I can't go back to a regular watch yeah but again for me honestly I'm still frustrated with the way notifications are portrayed I feel even that that first pebble that first user interface was for me the best one when it came to notifications it hasn't been replicated even you know now with Fitbit it's not the same yeah I don't like it and so I missed that from the pebble like for me it's not just that it was my first watch is that it did everything that was essential right actually I'm pretty excited we talked about the new wear OS earlier in the show and I'm actually rather excited to see what happens with this new generation of watches because I think manufacturers if fossil is any indication manufacturers have finally woken up to the desire I'm the part of a lot of users to have a rotating side button and that really does I mean I like that better than anything else now you know we were willing to use that G watch man did with the LG watch sport I wish because for a while it was the only thing I could you could have with as big as that watch was the RSB was like a soup can sticking out the side of it unless you get such an easy grip on it you always knew where it was and so like I would just fly through my messages or it flies through the feed and like you're not getting your finger in the way of the display it's like it's always fast its responsive and it's cool and that paired with you know all the optimizations we're talking about now has me much more excited for this coming generation of where OS watches because I think they're going to be more usable and more useful than ever no and I like how much they paid attention to luxury brands where it's like yeah if it's a boy or if it's a Mont Blanc if it's whatever watch it is and people can't see the watch face all they see is blank yeah that totally takes away from the experience like yeah the watch faces everything it's what makes a watch stand apart the most in a regular watch are those that do like labels but want a SmartWatch that kind of appeals more to fashion yeah such as I'm interested to see where they create with Louie Vuitton like I don't think they've ever had a SmartWatch happy they have okay so I hadn't seen it but I think it's interesting that you know I'm not a bad person when it comes with this kind of stuff I'm not either but there are people that Danny like you know what brand would you want to see something so cuz you ever think if you go out and buy like a Rolex right it's still a Rolex five years and it'll be a Rowland forever my dad has had a Rolex for thirty years but if you spend $2,000 like on a Louis Vuitton SmartWatch what is that gonna be in two years no it's gonna be a nothing I wonder if that's one of the many reasons why because they didn't make significant changes to the processor and stuff I mean they were like connectivity is great this is like there was nothing to update that for me was a weird argument you know I don't know if it's because they don't want to make what's already out there obsolete so quickly or what maybe because I mean I was laughing about that the gentleman I forget his name who was giving the presentation I love smart watches I have a hundred of them yeah and I was just like and you're about to make all of them silly lay right now your your job is to make all of them irrelevant but that's the thing let's let's be let's be honest were they great nothing they all can admit that they haven't been that great like we talked about it like smart smart watches em is stagnant for years now literally this this is that's why I think this chipset is such a big deal yes it is going to reinvigorate this entire SmartWatch industry again because I mean there was no reason to make smart watches I think in the last year so we're and are you uh gunning for them I don't know I think I kind of agree with the generalized thing the fossil group will probably make the best range of watches that are affordable I think but there's also other brands that are out there that really the fashion brands won't you should please think and recreate that magic of the first one over sixty sixty continues to be even with the time you know knowledge of all time yeah and please stop complaining about the damn flat tire no but even with that I think there was there was a charm to that watch still yeah I don't know what it was like the screen was so in-your-face yeah I don't know what it was because there was nothing else it was it was the audio right like it assigned to I think design was key on that one yeah it looked really good you ever use the falster the Skagen foster I have not it's like I do not write any of our watches and they let me see it an ephah yeah the thing is the foster two was an outside Aoife just ahead of was thinking why did they even release these watches without the new chipset that is that's actually mind-blowing especially if they're partners and why would they release this and not wait for the 3100 which they already knew about obviously if they are partners why why do you know are you confirming that Michael yeah well now that now that the 3100 is finally dropped this would be the time for Casio to drop a press release saying oh yeah by the way that watch we announced has a 3100 in it yeah that's a good idea now wait a second but it's Casio why are you expecting that you you dog in my castle dogging him do you know what processor was on the first pro tect pro pro whatever the first pro track yeah was probably the snap four hundred exactly it's probably the they never told anybody what it was oh oh they said these Casio just hasn't released it same never what silicones powering and never do oh but you can just download you can put on um you know like Z CPU or whatever what are you use to find out the hardware and Android devices like wrong eight a sixty-four CPU Z thank you yeah I don't know so we should I don't know I don't have the authority to actually has a thirty one hundred in it they get somebody on the phone from Casio right now call them who cares call them right now I'll put my money down on a foster to especially if it have it yeah I could agree yeah that bad the foster and the Skagen and all that so I would pretty much go for that but is exciting though to have another wave of smartwatches at least Nicola made of watch I mean I think this opens up for a lot other manufacturers that aren't the typical Android where you know smart watchmakers yeah I think they'll come into the game now because of the fact that I think they can do something unique without yeah just like the whole sort of brand thing who's missing Samsung making another we're always watch affair yeah I'm so you gonna have a lot of people come in and in a sports brands now like they said the unnamed sports brand is supposed to make a watch you know with all these new sports features and I think that's that's great that if if if GPS and sports and tracking can be better and just like I'm a was saying if you can finally now use a where OS watch that does everything yeah that kind of changes the game and puts pressure on Apple to make even a better part than what they have find out cuz I'm even concerned like I've been using a poll around six hundred for training in some cases it's probably my favorite where OS watch and I'm like I I don't learn until now that the out that polar could not tinker the algorithm for the fitness part so I'm like was this really a polar watch or not whereas now with these changes every OEM was going to be able to do their own stuff their own algorithms everything you had you think more clothing brands might enter into it now especially with their approach to try to get the fashionistas and everything like that do you think that's why I was saying Adidas because I think adidas would be perfect for this type of watching because they've never done wearables I was thinking more Under Armour no one I get it I know that they haven't done it before but that's what I'm thinking that they might somebody like adidas might enter this market because like you said that you know this if SmartWatch has become hot again especially in the Millennials and that kind of thing where shoes and like you know sneakers now and like this dis fashion thing is really popping off right now this could be really huge for somebody like Adidas to come into makes make some different brands you have to think like okay well what if like you know like Kanye gets into a SmartWatch or like that's partnered with adidas or Drake or like what whoever that's out there that could be a big deal I think well I think we've thoroughly exhausted the you know I was wondering how far we would get with smartwatches for a one-hour podcast and then 20 minutes in the middle we're about influencers it's just a great time to be able to hang out with everybody so thank you so much for being on why don't we just go down the line 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