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what you needed what you wanted was something simple LG beat the simplicity drum harder than any other one at its g3 announcement but can the resulting smartphone compete in a complex world a world in which tablet phone hybrids Apple beats deals and a windows phone from the guy who fired steve jobs are all in probably real things we'll talk about all of that on episode 09 eight of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week audio podcast where we talk smart phones tablets wearables and other gadgets you dreamed of owning when you were young from Boston Massachusetts I'm your host Michael Fisher to my right and just about 300 miles away his chief news editor Stephen shank good morning to you good morning I can tell you're facing south from that exactly right actually I think I am which is creepy and joining us from over the border of our northern neighbor Daniel Bader of mobiles here up Daniel welcome back to the show thanks for having me thank you for being here I had a note to myself that I didn't write down and it's crucial kids remember write down the notes to yourself because that's the only way you'll remember them did i pronounce your last name correctly Daniel you sure did with the low buddy else does hey what do people call you about her it's always better oh really Wow yeah well I even tell them Darth and then they figure it out I'm there but everything everybody who tries it always fails initially yeah how interesting alright i'm glad i'm one of the one of the few and the proud we have a diedrich bader never ma drew carey and what not oh yeah right yes I knew guys brother from college out for your cornhole bud that guy's a frickin treasure oh um what I wasn't for some reason i also just my mind just jumped in Napoleon Dynamite but I think that it's unrelated he would know he was in that yeah yeah yeah Roddy the kudo guy yeah you think anybody wants a roundhouse kick to the face one where in these forget about it anyway that's enough of that Daniel is here listeners in addition to just because we like him and and we like mobile syrup Daniel is here because he was my seat neighbor at the LG g3 event in New York City ah yes and yes along with um I got the guy from New Jersey tech news NJ tech reviews who I had met and I like but he is not on the show so we'll talk to will talk only about Daniel Rena its please yeah we got our we were simultaneously exposed to the wonderment that is the LG g3 this new smartphone that either impressed or failed to impress the tech press but I think it's mostly in the camp of the former I'm very interested in hearing it in kicking this off by hearing your impressions overall I just watched your hands on video but but tell us what your what your thoughts overall are on the g3 are you impressed in you I am I think that it's probably a better phone the Galaxy s5 uh Wow cutting right to the heart of the matter overall I think it is I think the g2 was a great phone with a few flaws um the major one was the usability the the backing was really slippery like the galaxy s4 was yeah so I think LG has been cribbing the thing is what's interesting is that LG tends to release their phones about six months after Samsung and listens to the criticisms at the Samsung flagships receive and then just tweak their phones based on what Samsung's done wrong you and I think they've done similar things with the g3 everything but the camera impresses I think the fact that the camera has not really been improved that much as is disappointing the camera optics mind you I'm not talking about the software but we'll get into that later sure um I do think that everything else has been substantially improved and I'm sure we'll talk about the screen which is just gorgeous the screen is is stunning there's no question I want to talk about a point you raised in LG's listening because this event was it was really well-run I talked about this a bit in our editorial round table but you know LG did not pander to us there was there was not know patronizing happening basically they just kept the focus on the device the whole time and it was such a dense presentation that it was actually pretty hard to take notes curious for people who weren't actually there in New York were you guys seeing a live stream of the London event was there something special happening Justin on the stakes there in New York no yeah like yeah we we were basically ushered into a room with a beautiful view but basically it was just a room with a bunch of chairs and three big old TVs okay oh but they were curved oh well them wasn't gonna sell you got all three is curved ones yeah I did and I wanted to sit by the curved one but we had to be in the back because the demo units were on another floor entirely you had to like get into the elevators really quickly to go do that let's just take a second to talk about the logistics of various and york-based events because everything in downtown Manhattan is compact right okay so every time we'd go to an event there you always see these companies trying to work with what they have so in some cases you know they rent out these big warehouses and they try to do it up and make them pretty but ultimately they're just big echoing noisy warehouses but in this case they actually separated it on two floors as Michael said would any sense it does make a degree of sense except for the bottleneck that were the two elevators where everybody tried to graham themselves in their sweaty you know it was like teenager like you know I just felt everybody's got like a bag of gear everybody's got a tripod some dudes have really big old TV cameras and yeah those elevators are about the size of the sound booth I'm in right now which is 46 it's ridiculous exactly yeah see Michael from you're on the street the editorial round table you shop with us I assumed you were out in like a warehouse in Bushwick somewhere right no II think it was it was actually quite posh but Daniel makes a good point about about events like that because it no matter where it is it is somehow inconvenient like this was well done with the exception of that bottleneck and that's why I moved to the back of the room and didn't get the curved TV treatment I wanted to be first the demo devices but the thing is I had to go outside and do that hang out from the side literally from the sidewalk on a cellular connection because it is always loud regardless of the event sighs and there's nothing you can really do about that one thing that every company does have control over though is lighting and lighting is never good enough at these things Daniel I noticed that you filmed your hands on outside yea which was a very smart yeah yeah yeah except when the rain started spitting on me so that's the red you see an edit I changed I just basically put my back to the outside but you know what I I had a I had a decent camera with a prime lens i was able to kind of get the everything was fine except for audio because it was loud but there was really no where else to do anything because and the other thing is that they started tearing everything down about an hour after the presentation so we were busy yeah it was it was in that sense not very well run but let's get back to the phone yeah I have a point to make a video though about the lighting situation because like normally it's very dark it's very you know blue and they try and do dramatic stuff LG had these beautifully day lit rooms it was great but they still found a way to make it dark by bringing shades down over all the windows so I'm just addressing a couple comments in this last hands-on video for the g3 which called at the low frame rate and the reason for that is I had to open the aperture so damn why to my camera to allow enough light in that the frame rate just dropped through the basement there's nothing I can do about it you know I accept I'm kidding I'm lying to your face there is something I could have done about it I could have been smart and gone outside but I'm not Daniel good call there brother thank you sir let's get back to the phone as you suggest so I am interested Steven before we steamroll over you completely like from a from a foreign persons perspective and by that I mean someone who wasn't at the event what you know what were your feelings on the phone after seeing all the live coverage you know the actual the presentation itself I don't think I was quite as enamored as as you were with how LG pulled it off I mean it was it seemed a little dry almost they I'd River them washed through I'm one of those few people who enjoys the spectacle of that Samsung has been known to bring in the past I don't mind the a tricks and all that and I think for the features at least it makes me pay more attention to them and I know that the LG was trying to emphasize the simplicity of the g3 how it's not all about these gimmicks and whatnot but how many times did they say simple in the presentation oh oh my god man who just get Achilles feet over the head with that theme I wanted to send some snarky tweets but I was too busy taking notes and you were too busy live blogging then but so like at the at the end of the day Stephen when you had been presented with all of these facts and as I say it was a very dense presentation you know what was your take on the on the device where you do were you impressed I mean I like it it's at this point seeing as many phones as I have it's hard you really you know blow me away it's it's what I thought it would be it seems incredibly solid um I'm still not sure that the public's gonna respond to it in quite the way that LG is hoping I'm worried that it's still gonna look a little big compared to and I know we saw your your your comparison video I think we're gonna talk about that later Arison yeah yeah talk about it now it's fine yeah I just sighs relative yeah I still think that it's pushing the limits of what people are gonna be comfortable with and well you know I'm worried about that but the design I like I think okie you know made a lot of smart improvements over the g2 and that's impressive considering and we were saying earlier about how he likes to take a few months and respond to what Samsung did this year they you know push the launch up significantly compared to the past yeah so there's been less time to you know see what Samsung's done and learn from that so this is more LG taking initiative and I like that and taking notes on feedback from the g2 I think yeah because I you know we saw a lot of stuff solved here in both hardware and software of going from the g2 to the g3 but i'm going to say you know I don't think the size Gulf is too big here between the g3 and the galaxy s5 and i think that the added aesthetic punch that the g3 brings is actually really going to you know it is going to serve it well because you look at the s5 next to the g3 and it's just it's sort of like it's sort of like one of them is a like a demo model or like a ruler like reference hardware and the other one is the finished product like the galaxy s5 is so unremarkable by itself that when you put the g3 next we like oh well I know which one I would pick if I'm looking if I'm shopping on looks right and you know the the 2k display certainly helps with that by the way it is it is 2k right yeah like it's actually officially to I was counting the pixels and then the run down in the spec stuff and I was like wait a minute because we got 4k cameras and 2k displays and I'm picturing you hunched over your desk one of those magnifying lenses on it up like a swing arm like 120 yeah yeah it's like tethered to my headband yeah no it's um so I think that it's definitely has the aesthetic edge over the s5 but I'm interested in that conversation because I think for all the great stuff HTC did with the One m8 it's the the real important comparison is g 3 vs s5 and I wonder what your thoughts are Daniel on on how this is going to do relative to that because it builds on a rather solid foundation with the g2 but i don't think the g2 did do well in sales well it certainly did better than the HTC one m7 I mean yeah I think a lot of phones dead right most phones did but LG is still a comparatively more successful manufacturer of android phones than sony we know that we know that it sells what is it 15 to 20 million smartphones a year most of which are probably low-end devices for developing countries but still they they have a much higher budget for sales than most other companies because they are one of those tables there this huge South Korean company that has their hands and everything sure I think that for for their purposes the LG g3 is just another showcase of all the vertical vertically integrated portions of LG as a company I mean hoeing an LG chemical for you know for their battery under its know which is always amazing I mean you were telling me that the g flex has the best battery life of any phone you've ever used which doesn't surprise me Tom using the screens are always better they always have an amazing relationship with Qualcomm which is something that you can't I mean even though Qualcomm has a great relationship with every OEM in the day of you know they're best friends with with the carrier with the that they're working with obviously but I think in particular they work with HD with the LG quite closely you know it's interesting you mentioned Qualcomm there because it seems like one of the big complaints that I saw from as we were getting all the rumors leading up to the key 3 launch a lot of people were upset that we got this 801 rather than 805 yes the height of absurdity to me well you'd have to find something to complain about right no but the 805 the 805 is may not ever actually come to market it doesn't seem that yet but it's a very very iterative purpose it's a purpose based chip it's meant for 4k type devices so we're we're probably not gonna see it in any substantive form in smartphones I don't think I think that they're gonna jump over the 805 and go straight to a 10 the attack yeah because that's the 857 base in a 53 based chips that will usher in the 64-bit you know android you know revolution so to speak don't it'll would show nobody cares about really I don't think anybody's proven that anybody gives a damn about 64 bit but no not if not unless it actually improves performance but I think in terms of aesthetics LG has a far better handle on things than Samsung because Samsung has a need to maintain the status quo they have this galaxy design that is so old now it's so ugly but they have to do it because that's the most recognizable Android brand out there LG has more room to work with yeah I guess so but do you you don't think that Samsung could could change it up I don't want to change the discussion make it about samsung but I'm just saying I don't think they have to stick with that design I think they choose to because it's a very safe bet but I think they could they could be bolder than they have been and when we might we might see that going forward but I'm you know I I agree that that these LG phone the flagships tend to be a showcase for all the different parts of LG it's a really good way to look at it but I have to say that the g2 went in your hands on when you were holding it up next to the thing I think this thing really destroys the g2 in terms of its fit and finish its feel in the hand it's its appearance and to say nothing respects me in specs that's guaranteed but what would certainly hope so right well yes but we don't you know we don't see that on the Samsung side right it's like I the s4 is basically the the s3 except more boring Oh the s5 is like an s4 with greater capabilities but the thing you know and whereas LG has actually taken the feedback on the particularly in the aesthetic side and said all right we're going to make this better looking I I just love the confluence here of the I wish it was a real metal on the back but they've got a matte finish over it not glossy so it doesn't feel like the tacky nonsense plastic of the g2 which I always hated and this thing looks like it was made to last were it looks like it was made to to be looked at and to have people say wow what is that whereas the g2 kind of just faded into the background and was not remarkable mm that aside I want to ask one more thing about hardware and then one talk about software do you think it was a mistake to sacrifice the water resistance that would have made it truly you know stand on the same deck as the s5 anybody can answer that it's a general question or do you think don't know don't care I think it got to the point so quickly where waterproofing became ubiquitous that we already stopped caring about it like when it was just on you know maybe you know one or two phones oh honey that's a neat feature and now everyone has it we should have expected it but at the same time we're not even though you know the gs5 is waterproof I don't think that most users are going and you're throwing it are using it for underwater photography or crap like that I think we've already sort of moved past it if it's there it's nice if it's not we're not gonna complain about it we're just going to be a little more careful with our homes no no you know I was out in public using the galaxy s5 shortly after it launched and I was like dropping it in lakes and stuff and I like to do this stuff in public because you know whatever it's a lot of fun and people were stunned at what I was doing like I mean just passers-by on the sidewalk were like a detected strap his phone and like it's okay it's waterproof and they're like like their heads explode and this happened more than once and that you know this is a population that is not you know I'm not I'm not living with it with a bunch of bumpkins like this isn't an intelligent engaged populace being like I never knew that wow really so it most of them have iphones though uh it's Boston so pretty much everybody has an iphone yeah I'm like I'm an ivory tower up here you know I'll pish-posh know so many of these markets have long said waterproofing now no one yeah exactly well that's what I mean it was it was a nice shot of perspective to as a reminder that you know we really exist in a very hyper aware bubble within the greater world so i don't know i think i think that waterproofing thing and that said I don't think Samsung is necessarily leveraging that in its advertisements very much yet and that's why a lot of people were surprised so maybe that speaks in favor of LG's decision here maybe LG is like you know we don't think a lot of people are basing their buying decision on that so we're going to go ahead and make this thinner and lighter instead and they didn't I mean it's eight point nine millimeters it's the same width it's the same thickness as the as the g2 what what's so interesting to me though then our you're right I'm sorry is that if they if they really wanted to make it waterproof they wouldn't have added a removable backing and removable battery because Samsung made the very difficult decision of putting a tab over its USB port in order to prevent water from coming in which is probably the most annoying tab I've ever used in my life and I hate charging the gs5 for that reason I mean I just let it die I'd rather let it die hard it so there's no I think this you as me but the feline over USB flaps has always escaped me I've never had a problem maybe it's blows eat them well me I know everyone does with me and maybe it's because I was a nextel phone carrier forever and they always had flaps over their ports to prevent dust and all this crap from getting I always thought there was smart idea so I've always been used to them but apparently I'm the only one so I understand anyway what you're talking about but yeah you think that would have impacted it pretty severely you think you would be hating on the g3 a lot more if it had had the flaps necessitated by a waterproof rating well no I just think that it would have interrupted that aesthetic that LG's trying so hard that smooth sort of pebble like finish the soft curves the you know if it you know chamfered edges if it has that sort of thing I don't even know what that that that term means everybody throws it around I'm the chamfered edge I've a chance to talk about chamfered edges how's your chapters today oh they're so edgy ya know I like to back when the one m7 launched in the iphone 5 2 we were like oh yeah how was it what are synonyms for chamfered Oh bevel bevel that's what will you that'll be yeah exactly yeah um I don't know I just think that the g3 looks a lot better than most phones out there except for the m8 but I mean as we know ma doesn't necessarily sell on the virtue of its aesthetic so you know what else you know you have to have something else right well and I think I i think the m8 is probably selling a lot better it's already it's definitely selling a lot better than the m7 did already I believe I don't have the link to back that up like citation needed but i think it's easily set as much i think yeah yeah so you know but i agree I you know and that's why I say so maybe that's an interesting comparison for for another day i'm really looking forward to getting this thing in the review booth by the way we don't have one yet which is why we haven't had videos up yet but very soon we're getting one so it's gonna be interesting to do that comparison versus the 18 I just continue to be much more fascinated by how this is going to play against the s5 the kind of raining contender in the space and I think it's going to do better than the one I made because we saw those commercials we saw the at first I thought they were maybe just for us they were just for the announcement but no LG is going to use those in broadcast I think and they're really effective they're like here's it got you know an upbeat tips to like tempo they've got a kind of not annoying music but it makes you pay attention and they're like 15 second spot so like here's how to use a feature on the g3 you know and then there's like a one the answer is one sentence it's like do this done you know it's quick it's light its it has a little bit of a smirk to it but it's also accurate because they did simplify a lot of a lot of the experience so if they can use those effectively I think they have a good marketing campaign on their hands go ahead too yeah I think there's a solid chance that the the g3 will outperform the One m8 when it comes to retail sales but at the same time I don't think it's going to make much of a dent in the interest in the galaxy s5 I guess it depends on how serious LG is about right i mean do you mentioned before Daniel that LG is a is a massive Empire they have their fingers and a lot of pies from refrigerators to TVs to washing machines how serious is LG's mobile division about making a huge dent here obviously they're not this isn't just a hobby I mean this is a 2k screen they've got some great specs in this thing to have a frickin laser mm-hmm you know a glad questions about that laser we talk about that some point shall we talk about the laser well again the laser is a good example of the device it's a technology that LG developed for one of their roomba competitors that never got used and you know this is a company that makes freaking robotic vacuum cleaners that they just throw away features though we don't need that we have another laser-type technology that we can use let's put it on our smartphone you know it's like this is this is something that you know the g flex is a prime example of an experiment that they decided to make appropriate to a product in that should not have even though it has its virtues the g flex is not a finished product by any means it is not i agree with you so I was too effusive in my review I think I scored it a little high but because but I I truly was in love with it because I using it does feel like holding a slice of the future you got hit by the dazzle I did I did even even if it is a little bit on the on the prototype east side in all the ways that we've already covered but i will tell you that i was using the g flex at this launch because i knew i was going to compare it with the g3 just quickly so I was like why don't I pop the sim in the g flex and use that and also the battery was excellent so i mean i'm riding in an elevator after the event and I've got my like LG tag on or whatever and these two guys hotel member staff members are in the hotel in the elevator with me they're just staring at my phone and I'm used to this with the g flex because it does catch your eye with the curve but they're like oh is that the look it's curve did it come that way I'm like yeah I didn't bend it like it came came curve and like oh yeah that's uh I've heard about that that's from Samsung right haha and I'm like wearing the LG tag and the other guys like no dude like you points it as like oh sorry it just seems like everything comes from Samsung I'm like yeah I think that's the that's the uphill battle it seems like vs apple right right exactly so I think they have a story problem there that but I'm sorry I didn't mean to hijack your point about the g flex but no no I mean what the only thing the only reason I bring it up the g flex is Rogers is one of the biggest carriers and candidates though it has nine million customers it's probably the most well-known and when 9 million will we only have 30 million people here so 9 million is if you can ask what the population of Canada but wow I didn't know they're the only 30 million people in Canada that's Chris right so when you look at Rogers homepage you have three phones on their feature devices you have number one the LG G flex because it's an exclusive you have the HTC One m8 and you have the galaxy s5 but the LG G flex is being pushed as hard or harder than the other two devices in their stores because obviously it's an exclusive but because they also agree with you it is a slice of the future and I think that that mean you you cannot kid yourself for a second better devices don't necessarily sell better it's due to the carrier if the carrie wants to push a certain product they're going to do so and that's how samsung initially became successful is that they teamed up with carriers on exclusives if you remember the first generation galaxy s phones they were all different on every single US carrier made a different variant different cousins to I'm the difference well thank God we have today's those different or whatever yeah yeah yeah exactly epic and they did that in order to appease the carriers to sell them in prime spots in their carrier stores yeah and once Samsung got big enough than they once the gs3 came out they didn't need to do that anymore but LG's in that same position last year they created a special version just for verizon with new buttons on the back and with wireless charging because verizon wanted to differentiate themselves and this year they didn't do that why because it needs ooh that's true yeah you know they're they're building themselves up in the same way that that Apple and Samsung before them have done no I agree with that I think that's a favorable change certainly but carrier interest here in the US seem remarkable strong the day of the launch we got announcements from all for the big guys saying that they'd be carrying this guy at some point we don't always see that when a high-profile phone launches how's the interest I mean in Canada are there are they carry are similarly really excited for the g3 to arrive we have not heard a peep I we were to god there's no not a single carrier has told us that they're carrying it yet we know because a leaked product code came out that is coming out in rogers and bell but and it'll probably come out in rogers bell and telus which are the three big carrier there's no official announcements yet nothing yet no well well yeah we got some some leaks on pricing which we're gonna talk briefly about in a second here too so that is interesting though how different at different countries carriers handle the thing and you know i will say that not it's not always the case that a carrier pushing a handset will will result in massive sales i mean we've saw eight we've seen eighteen t throw their weight behind the Lumia line more than once and i don't really think that's worked out you know terribly well certainly it was it was a favorable impact but i don't think it was significant it continues to tickle me how at least on the television shows i watch everyone's using a Lumia handset this is not reflecting reality brother placement is crazy although the unengaged illa the there's the g flex in there with a big ol LG logo oh yeah i love that the logos and product placement devices are like six times the size of the the actual weapons did you do either of you watch justified as a girlf yeah so did you notice did you notice that in every season up till now everybody uses a flip phone or a blackberry but all of a sudden in this past season everybody in the show uses a sony xperia awesome even even the bad guys use Sony Xperia folks i spaced that i'm gonna to pay attention to what about Captain America to like they were all HTC phones but they were different generations depending on whether you were good or bad like if you were you used an old school one x+ or whatever and then if you were bad you used to m8 or something and then you've got but that's another example speaking of HTC this another example to carry are pushing a phone and I'm not it's doing it any favors Sprint's commercials for the Harman Kardon addition when I made our effing ridiculous I have not seen these you are you lucky count yourself among the lucky few who've not been exposed to these monstrosities do yourself a favor if you want to like blow your mind go just YouTube it's just google like sprint Harman Kardon commercial and feel your brain ooze out of your ears as it tries to get away nonsense so I you know carrier secure endorsements or a missing mixed bag sometimes let's let's talk about the software in the g3 before we sort of move into two other stuff because this was a big complaint that I had on the g2 which was ugly software that LG had somehow made even more complicated than it was on on the galaxy s4 do you remember the notification shade on the g2 like you'd drag it down and you had to permanent sliders one for brightness and one for like system volume oh my sounds good I'm constantly having to dig through menus to adjust brightness when it's too right for me to see any let me too bright outside I have no probably want that persistent brightness I have no problem with the brightness slider but why is there a persistent volume slider when I have a volume key because the vine keys are on the back okay yes that makes a degree of sense to show you where the volume is currently yeah I don't need to see that all the time but the thing is there was a shortcut right next to the volume slider that looked a lot like the settings cog which is normally next to the brightness like so I'm always tapping this thing and then I get the volume that it was just a software was a mess that's a bad one example of a complete just an utter dumpster fire in terms of software and I hated it and it looks like this year they've well simplified it but I'm seeing that in the comments on our hands on that a lot of people still don't like the software and I think I might be one of them because I eat while it is simpler yes I think it's also quite mad they have this beautiful 2k display and yet LG has chosen these colors that are really kind of dull and don't stand out at all and there's no way to select colors that do but Michael they're mature good point yeah LG's pitch on this if you didn't watch the livestream was that like we didn't want you know elementary youthful you know young people colors like primary colors and what they didn't call it amateurish they call it like it was immature or something like that they just totally dismissed these neon pallets of the zoo instead of candy packaging it looks like tissue packaging exactly yeah it's so i don't know i'm not entirely sold on that in it kind of makes using the phone dreary yes things are flattened yes there are more circular elements which I actually like I think that's kind of the style of the years to do circular widgets and stuff but I'm not sold on the colors and I think that was a misuse of that is a misuse of this gorgeous display do you agree am I making too big a deal out of this guy's or do you agree well go ahead Steven I know I don't have very strong feelings about the softer on this not having interacted with it nor with the g2 so I'm of observer here what do you think you've used this guy sound like you've got out of you got something brewing there Daniel okay i think the g2 was the worst software i've ever seen on an android phone in my life I hated it with a passion of a half of a thousand Soren's but nice the g3 is it's better but it's not the LG clearly does not understand software engineering they don't understand I mean they tout its simplicity but as you said this is not simple software this is better it's better because it's not it doesn't get in your way as much for example they change the stupid virtual menu button stupid virtual menu button to align themselves with Google now so they at least have that going for them but they don't it the software doesn't seem like it overpowers you in the same way but it's still very samsung ask in the sense that it wants to do everything for you android is so good now it doesn't need to do everything for you it's the reason that I pick up my Moto X more often than I pick up my gs5 mmm-hmm that's a good point I even using my moto x while and I miss it because of those baked in features that are so good in stock Android and the motor oil enhancements but with LG you have this skin that is aping functionality that's already there like you have google now on the device which is supposed to anticipate your needs and throw information at you before you ask for it yet LG has built in this completely separate thing what is it called quick smart or something you aren't notice yeah which does the same thing except it has a different aesthetic I don't know I'm over using that word today but I don't care that like it accordions down and it gives you the basically the same stuff I mean why didn't we just had that article talking about all the things we wanted in Google now that weren't there and I think we're getting some of that with this og system it's you know it's augmenting Google now rather than replacing it yeah but you're still using you like you have to go to two places the information that you didn't ask for it's not elegant by any means yeah I I just don't I don't like redundancy when it's not done right it's similar to how Samsung and LG and actually a lot of OEM just build a separate app well Google alternative is already there just there's an app stores or separate app stores yeah yeah at least they're not doing that yeah if you're gonna duplicate something do it better and I'm not prepared to say that LG doesn't do it better than google now however I gotta be honest with you guys I don't think that LG is gonna do it better than google now and I think this is one of those things that's gonna hang around for a generation maybe no one's gonna use it and then it's gonna go away I really love what LG is doing with the telling you things about the phone and this has been my my complaint about now and the features it lacks there's not enough tight integration with the phone hardware itself and I just heard you know the one feature how it can let you know when you're running low on storage space that's a huge problem for me I never know where I am until the phone starts yelling at me get him down to like 100 megabytes left that's a good point this is something that I would expect now to be doing and if Google's not going to step up to that LG by all means please show them how it's done that's just right but then then LG's not not telling you that it's only going to be notifying you on harbor issues so Google now is more of a platform in the sense that it it provides your context-based needs for kind of your wider life so weather and travel and you know things that you're looking up like search results and stuff like that I mean it doesn't really dig too deep into you into your local life your local phone your your phone storage your temperature or whatever like that's LG's place to to give you that information I agree with Michael though if it starts getting in the way of google now if you start getting notifications on travel and you know search results and stuff on from both smart notice and google now then i'll have a major issue with it i think it's going to be critical how how LG handles that that particular degree of overlap but that's that's not the only thing they introduced i'm kind of looking at the list because i can't remember they did hit on a couple things what were the other two big features they were calling out in the software the keyboard account keyboard oh my god the keyboard this is that i can't believe i forgot this was one of my favorite things they did someone out there will correct me and I welcome it because I would like to know but I've never seen a keyboard that can be dynamically resized like this where you can just drag it up to whatever degree you want and it'll resize to whatever footprint you just selected like some keyboards will go small and large or they'll have detent for small medium large whatever but this one you can make it almost literally whatever size you want without getting absurd and using the whole vertical space the screen so i mean i think that's amazing I think they're the there's also the cursor placement where you press and hold on the spacebar and you can move the cursor around very similar to the go-ahead that no that's awesome like one of my biggest complaints about the google keyboard is how awful cursor control is and if you're trying to edit any text its oh yeah laying in the ass any time a press and hold action is required to do something i get really annoyed and especially if it's text composition which I usually like to be a very fast thing so yeah having that built in there I'm going to use my webos mentioned for the podcast and say like I haven't seen a smart integrate implementation of a cursor control like that since the pre we had that gesture area and you can move them around so that was wonderful and then what was the other one you can didn't this just outright Steve the blackberry flick stuff yes it was pretty blatant you were sitting next to me they announced that thing and you were like oh come on well I mean as a Canadian you kind of have a little bit of national who's got to feel brighter for blackberry I understand but not that bad but but but blackberry partnered with uh with somebody on that I always forget the keyboard vendor they partnered with cuz they kept with Yuki was that swiftkey yeah yeah but so did Samsung I mean even Samsung's built-in keyboards pretty crappy even though it has swiftkey in it gosh yet is there bad because he's like when a company can't properly translate the text in a dialog box into English you know they're not gonna do a good job on the keyboard and that's always the case although right now as soon as the reigning the reigning bad actor and that in that regard but we'll talk about that later so yeah the keyboard is just a I think it might be a home run and and it it learns your what was what sides of the keys you favor as I recall too right and they showed that map up there where it was like the software learns where you know if you tend to like hit the outside of the f key some other third party ones have done that but it's still it's neat that we're seeing this from an oem yeah because as I said like on the last show I think you know these out of box implementations are important yes the beauty of android is you can customize it but it's very important for out of box things to work very well and I think the keyboard is critical and a lot of people have gotten it wrong this is gonna be sweet I'm very much looking forward to using the keyboard on this device at length I'm just looking at the the presentation screencaps now how many colors is this thing come again 55 I think it's five ya allah did they have like exciting the of course they have exciting names for them but i can't Steven you didn't put them in the news post Aiden you didn't give proper coverage to the you know flower violet and you know it's like an adjustable blame ya what are we missing in the software gentlemen before we I know we wanted to talk about the camera a little bit I want to talk about my favorite accessory ever but I want to ask I'm curious you know what I'm talking about did I don't because you've expressed affinity for both that weird headphone horseshoe and the circus listen the tones came to me in a moment of need says have we had a podcast since we did we make front of the town's last week Stephen where you here I know I wasn't aware of them and then we learned about it over the weekend because we missed that announcement on Thursday yeah the LG tone I don't remember his last episode or the one before I'm sorry everyone there just kind of bleed together but we were making fun of the LG tones really hard because Taylor had some friends who wore them all the time and I just thought they made everyone look like an idiot and then LG of course gives us LG tones in the gift and this is in the swag bags from this event I didn't realize we're talking about yeah are the the earbuds on that today like are they retracted do you pull on them and they come back up into the horseshoe or be so smart but no no I saw something that made me think that L magnitude they do plug into the bottom though don't they oh I just learned that Thank You Steven I didn't know why there were gaps in the bottom of the horseshoe and now and I don't read the instruction manual so Daniel you apparently knew that I didn't I mean I didn't read the instruction manual good I'd like you have confidence yeah they teach us that schools not sure about on the US area it's not covered in the Common Core no so the anyway we just I just think that tones are one of the oddest and kind of ugliest-looking accessories out there so we made fun of them a lot unless show but when I had to do that hang out on the street and I had forgotten my earbuds Steve do but the tones saved that entire editorial round table it saved us the never-ending barrage of comments we got in the HTC One m8 round table where nobody can hear me because I was using a non device speaker and mic so anyway I immediately fell in love with the tones because they saved my butt but then I continued to use them and despite some kind of crappy Bluetooth reception ability I think they're great if you put your phone in your back pocket they will not be able to talk to your phone but what yeah agreed yes uh so that those the LG tones I don't know why we started talking about that lets someone take favorite accessories yeah oh no god yes no so those are my favorite accessories the quick circle case got there oh my god Daniel did you play with one I didn't uh-huh ah you missed out I know I didn't it I give her less about cases let me tell you what you are wrong you are one hundred percent because the quick circle case makes that phone at least seven percent more enjoyable to use oh my god you close it and first of all you get a nice preview of what the Moto 360 is probably gonna look like first of all because they have all these little rock faces that kind of play behind the window there but ever you've got all these shortcuts that kind of look cool and in addition you're not always going to be confined to like the existing shortcuts which is like LG music player and who cares and you know no pattern you can customize them right you can but you well they're going to release the SDK so if developers want to write stuff and I really hope they do and it's going to depend on how well the g3 cells i guess and chicken and egg and whatever but you're going to be able to do other stuff inside that window i love all i want is a rotary dial widget know some of you notice makes my day one of the first five thing yeah yeah yeah actually i really want that now more like a combination lock for unlocking the phone oh that would be sweet iron why don't you have a development house weren't you know that's right it's call ah well you know it's i made the point in the hands on where i was like the the a flip cover for the s4 or now the S view cover for the s4 really made me enjoy using that device more because actually brought something else the experience I could use the phone it was almost like faking a different form factor so for those of us who are novelty obsessed and I'm happy to admit that because I'm that makes me like most of the world I think it really breathes a little bit of new life into your phone and the this thing the quick circle case is just so much more interesting it's a much more stylish implementation it's a lot of fun so I recommend Daniel and you get your hands on one because we know how much it is I don't care it can be a hundred bucks head by no okay i'm getting i did rip the SVU case for being 70 bucks so I I don't know how much it is do we do we get word on that because we don't have pricing info of the g3 yet Steven you want to talk about that when we have some gay at least what do they say yeah well so a couple of these us so all the US carriers have said the big ones have said we're going to get this guy they mentioned summer as far as availability we don't have you know a month in particular yet but a few of them have these contests going now or they're giving away a whole bunch of g3s in advance I think t-mobile is calling them beta phones I mean there these are production models at this point it's not like we're going to get another revision of the hardware before the retail sales begin but because it's a contest you have to have all of these rules you know the lawyers have to prove everything and you know buried down there in the details you have to explain what the prizes are and what they're worth so we're kind of getting it may not be exact we're getting a a ver adrene value t-mobile saying that their g3 is worth 650 dollars which sounds about right for black ship like this because the weird thing though is that sprint says that its g3 is only worth six hundred dollars so there's some theorizing that the difference in price there might be ones the two gigabyte RAM what's a three gigabyte RAM I'm not convinced but I think we're definitely looking at a price around 625 650 in the US that's we who knows what its gonna be on contract I'm two hundred probably I doubt they can do 300 with this guy even with the 2k display but no I see I disagree with you I actually don't think that the north american market is gonna see that two gigabyte 16 gigabyte variant no I would either expected it to I yeah I just I think that they're gonna keep that for for the like Chinese South Korea Chinese sort of developing markets that you know where they can charge 500 for it i just i don't i don't see them offering to it's already it would consume really not all know what happened yeah exactly that's that's what I was gonna say I just think that the US customers are a little paranoid now because no we saw with the gs5 last year we get the the first one and then a couple months later south korea gets the fancy snapdragon 800 version we're getting a little paranoid about not getting the best out there yeah well then that was started thanks to Samsung splitting it between the the X and O's like the octa remember that yeah and then the end the the Qualcomm turned out the Qualcomm one perform better at least in my testing well yeah so I don't know none of that pricing really surprises me I think it will be a little a little annoying if if we if certain carriers here don't get both versions but I think that is a likelihood I thought it was an interesting choice of LG as a final hardware point to slave the ram with the with the storage options because that's computer right like 16 gig gets you two gigs of RAM and 32 gig gets you three gigs of RAM is that correct yeah yeah that's it's weird but um alright you know I don't know I've never I don't think I've really ever been hurting for RAM on an android phone right at least not in a while you know I don't generally juggle like asphalt 8 and the full office suite or the foot you know whatever the equivalent is and you know like sky gamblers air supremacy like I don't do that i do one big thing at a time so i don't know why i need a ton of same time ram costs nothing I mean it's like a five dollar different in component costs when we're looking at two gigabytes first enough I mean ten dollars but it's sure been something across millions of devices though I mean you know that's a consideration or you know anyway I wanted to keep the g3 condition confined to about a half hour we're at the 48th minute but I think keep it going I would like to wrap it up a little bit I think there's a couple things we missed lasers yeah the laser thing the camera thing let's just touch on that very quickly I'm confused about this laser you guys have seen this thing maybe you can clear this up for me yeah so because are you confused like dude are you asking does it shoot a beam of light out that hurts other people no no I had gone into this thinking it would be like the focus assist i have on one of my standalone cameras where it uses you know a lens or diffraction grating it projects a pattern out and infrared it seizes with the camera and then based on it can you quickly adjust the focus of the camera when the pattern pops into focus then it knows it's focused from the presentation though I got the impression this was working like a light argh where it wasn't shooting at a pattern it was just a beam of light and then it records the distance takes the being around trip travel back to the sensor is that what it's doing here is doing the pattern thing no I believe it's I believe it combines phase what does it face something autofocus phase detection oh that's what most phones use right right so it combines that that's kind of like the the standard and then it it does the distance based laser whatever like it ty it's basically it measures the time that that laser takes to come back and and you don't know how far it is you don't haven't have an infrared sensitive camera that you could check this with do you I don't oh I depend night vision goggles that would be uh oh no I put them in storage mo no that would be great i would love to see if you would if you're talking about seeing the the visible beam and a certain using a certain wavelength about yeah i'll be great but this is just an academic concerning a port because that it whether or not it actually improves the oven bogus speed and how it does the real thing it does i cook a couple shots of the g flex using the g3 and I mean she go it was very quick to focus i mean it knew exactly what i wanted to do and it took that shot very quickly did you take any sample shots Daniel yeah I did I thought it focused quickly but I didn't think that it's improvements over the gs5 and the HTC want to make were substantial enough to claim you know that we are the fastest autofocus camera smartphone on the market like it's a matter of 25 milliseconds at most I mean those are under ideal light conditions to excellent well what I mean do you remember anything about the camera app launch time though because i don't know i didn't actually measure that not yet me there i am and either yet you know because that's the important thing the pocket to picture time is important and all of that factors into it the camera launch time the autofocus the snap and you know they said something about shutter speed as well I think this enabled everyone's doing faster shutter speed now so I'm sure that this is part of the club so I think all of that together might result in faster pocket to picture time but we won't know until we actually get the thing in our pockets but there's also enhanced optical image stabilization we're in a in a year where manufacturers are still shrugging off Oh is if they did before or actively like dismissing it like HTC HTC is done in favor of the duo camera which I didn't which is a move I didn't think was a very smart idea you have LG saying no OS is still cool and also we're enhancing it what is the enhancement do you remember it's a very minor one between 0 is NOS plus right I I don't even know I feel like there was 20 something better and I'm just 20 times better or yeah it there I can't see it I'm kind of looking at the the spec sheet here on a couple different things and I don't know if it's better hardware who the actual component or if it's just being you know faster and its response time to no changes in the light position I yeah it's unclear what they changed exactly so if I said it's better you know I think that the overall phone is bigger so the part of the OS module is probably a little bit bigger which makes it it kind of stabilizes it faster if you had if you can you know think of it like that but I also think that o is is necessary because they didn't actually enlarge the aperture at all they kept the accurate at F 2.4 which is smaller than pretty much every other phone on the market right now we're used to seeing him around too yeah and which is disappointing from the from our original news post its it's vague but at least it's something oh I asked it's an upgrade from previous LG designs now compensating for even rougher handling so that appears to be the change here I mean it's I don't know how they're doing it mechanically but it seems like you can maybe shake this thing a little harder right which is good because you know I i have to say that though i am impressed with the fluidity that OS offers in the viewfinder in the you know kind of it makes the experience of shooting a little bit smoother and better sony is doing the same thing basically the software and when i'm really interested in is being on a boat or on a train or another moving platform and in the camera compensating for that because right now I still see motion blur even the best o is Riggs like the the one m7 and the Lumia 1020's that's funny yeah so anyway by the way I still have the 1020 somewhere it's my daily driver but I haven't used a daily driver in months for those who I I still technically carry that in moto x and lumia 1020 let's wrap it up on the g3 I know we've got to get Daniel out of here in just a few minutes before you go Daniel because Steven will be sticking with me I would like to ask you for for your thoughts on the on the g3 I know we don't have a review units yet but I know and I know we sort of kicked off the show with with general thoughts but do you think this is going to be the blockbuster hit that LG wants or is it just going to be the g2 redux this year it is the LG g2 redux I I think that it'll probably sell twenty to twenty-five percent better just like the g2 sold twenty to twenty-five percent better than the optimus G or maybe maybe it that one sold probably more but i really i think that LG does have an issue competing with samsung i just think that people think of LG as an also-ran version of samsung and despite the phone being as i said a better in my opinion probably a better device overall even though it doesn't have this probably doesn't have as good a camera or doesn't have what waterproofing I still think that the aesthetics the screen resolution I actually and I may regret saying this I actually think I like the software better on the g3 than the gs5 I'm sorry don't hurt me minutes yeah I just I'm looking forward to playing with it i only got about ten minutes with it and it was the korean version so it didn't have a lot of the us or canadian software tweaks on it yet but i'm very excited about this phone well i think you are certainly not alone in that I join you in that excitement and we we will be getting our hands on a unit again shortly so let's revisit this conversation in the form of a review then you can find that at pocket now when it goes up but you can also find one I'm sure eventually at mobile syrup Daniel tell everybody where they can find you over there and end elsewhere on the Internet uh I am at journey Dan like journey man with a D on Twitter and it just goes cyracom last time you were on the show I got the mobiles here yeah you are slow to respond to these men journey dan and journeyman I didn't well look at that I can be dumb sometimes mobile syrup calm journey dan on Twitter Daniel Bader you are a gem for coming on the show thank you for your time it is always great to have you thank you so much for having me starting to duck out early no worries you enjoy hear the rest of your day and enjoy your weekend you two guys thanks a lot see you take care bye that was a wonderful time folks we changed it up on you a little bit we put the feature first the feature quote-unquote we meant to keep that g3 conversation a little bit shorter but you know there's a lot to talk about with that phone and it's an interesting phone we have a lot to say really is and I want to tell you something a little more specific I just got an email in the interim that indicates that we that a g3 will be coming our way very shortly so you'll be able to cover that in the interim though I have another device that I'm in the midst of experiencing right now another device that I got my hands on in New York City on the same trip as the g3 this is the ax sous padfone x yes finally making its appearance I have to tell you that I did not know what to expect listeners if you don't remember what the PadFone is it's not the phone pad it's not the big ol Nexus 7 with an earpiece on it it's the convertible it is the smartphone that if a 5-inch smartphone that plugs into the back of a tablet dock to become your tablet so it's two devices in the same box and it is finally being offered by AT&T many of our European Indian and Asian and African many of our non-us listeners are wondering why the hell were making such a big deal about this because like the PadFone x was announced five months ago what are you guys doing agency is the only u.s. carrier to offer it and they've just announced it it's something is the it's totally in the u.s. too isn't it well the PadFone acts I believe so I don't know that detail I just know we saw it in Barcelona like vans ago and we've been waiting for it and this is I mean pad phones have been around for years i think the were up to the third generation is the third unit yeah then the first gen had that crazy like VCR door on the back were like it protected the phone yes door on the back of the tablet talk this is a somewhat more efficient streamlined implementation it's still pretty clunky when it's in that in the doc but the phone is exposed so that you can still shoot pictures with its camera anyway the thing is yes this is a Snapdragon 800 powered device which is nice the software is not final so it's buggy as anything and this is in its going to get an update before launches thankfully but through Jesus yeah but the thing is it's not a remarkable device I'm holding it right now this is an audio only podcast listener so you will have to imagine if you will the most nondescript rectangular black slab you ever saw in your life for theirs there's almost nothing special about it and that's always been the problem with these pad phones is there I mean just a one-trick pony it's they plug into the tablet at least with the PadFone X the specs are pretty you know flagship level maybe a mid last year flagship but still they're up there cause it's just yeah i agree but I've started to think of the phone as like an entry-level flagship in quotes okay you'd see that and the reason for that is it's not a one-trick pony anymore at least not the way AT&T is positioning it because while the retail price is still something like 549 I don't know oh yeah the on contract that one contract you use on for a two-year contract you get this thing it's 199 yeah that's gonna be key to whether or not this is accepted by American smartphone users enough yeah and never has just been affordable before no and and i'm gonna i apologize because i'm gonna maybe sound like a commercial here but i mean i can't get past that price point in my head i keep thinking about i unboxed it so the unboxing is that the link is in the show notes you can look at you can watch the unboxing and just kind of realize for a second then when you open this box the first thing that greets you as a tablet the next thing that great shoe is a phone and they knew of earbuds chargers and whatever all of that is in this same box you get you get a phone at a tablet for 200 bucks and it's not like a cheesy off-brand you know like right right let's tablet it's like but at the same time it's not really a tablet it's just a dock so I'm having the most crazy like brain explosion when I use this thing because every time I use it i'm i'm using it in tablet mode i'm surprised when i'm not near a Wi-Fi hotspot and it still works and i'm like oh so my thought process is like oh yeah that's right this tablet has a cellular data connection oh wait no this is the phone providing that and the phone is fueling everything so you know when i'm browsing on the phone and the browser and i plug it into the back of the tablet and the tablet screen comes on and it it's what i was doing just a second ago only bigger and it's just how are the transitions there between when you're when you were swapping the plugging the phone into the tablet is that isn't fast as it switches so that that's a two part there are two answers to that the first answer is it is about three seconds for for transition it's a little long well you know it I understand that it has a lot to do so I'm willing to forgive that and when you use the ax sous apps like the calendar the issues email app the browser the transition is as close to seamless as I think you can get it really flows quite nicely to the point where Tony sent me an email with an embedded spreadsheet and it was I feel like I was in a nurse's turn eighteen t commercial cuz I I can't look at this on the phone is too small that's how they all are it's like one business guy wants to share this presentation with the other guy let me just show you this guy's like all our pointing your eyes are bad I can't see it on that small thing and there's like let me show you let me pull out this tablet from my backpack but that's how it went and you know it blew up on the screen and I was like wow now I can see it on the tablet however if you do not use the issues apps if you're using the google standard editions like the gmail app like hangouts like anything that you actually want to use instead of the sort of crappy azuz one's google play services doesn't support that transition so what happens is you're given a dialog box on the device that you just switch to that says hey google play services doesn't support this do you want to restart the app and then you hit the button and it restarts the app so that's all yeah and granted it is only one step to basically accomplish the same thing but it's an ugly step it's an error step it's a you did something wrong step or I've been worried that something like this might i mean not specifically this error but i may be wrong about this but is the aspect ratio on the tablet different from the phone itself and could that be the source of some of these troubles I don't because I believe that the tablet is it's not 1080 I mean it's not a 1920 x 1080 it's not well 20 x 1200 yeah right so that would be 16 x 10 whereas the phone is 1920 x 1080 which is sixteen by nine right so maybe that that is the core of the issue i made a point to ask the asuste folks in the attenti folks whether that would be fixed by launch and no they're basically you know android google has to implement it within Android it's not anything they can do about it so the only thing they can do is pitch as strong a case as possible to get you to use the assu saps what do you think this would have Google's gear when it comes to tablet support by now but you would you would think yeah but you know I still think this is one of those wonky things that Google looks at and it's like it's cool that you can use Android to do that but we don't really were not interested in an edge case exactly but at the same time like so I have that objection I have some some concerns as I said with with the aesthetics there are the tablet sort of wobbles on a tabletop it's you know it's it's just clunky it's got this big phone in the back right and it's certainly not attractive the phone's battery is a little small where's the tablet docks batteries only almost 5000 milliamp hours so that's that's a that's a benefit but you know the phones matters a little smoke so there are there are trade-offs however every single time I think of a trade-off I'm like but it's 200 bucks yeah I mean they could probably get away charging 300 on contract and we'd still be sitting this is a great deal for what you're getting that's another point you can spend another hundred dollars and get a keyboard dock that really makes it a whole that's like a laptop practically exactly and the only I can't stop thinking about college students and not college students with a lot of money to spend you know but like seriously you're going back to school and it's like well I want it I definitely want a tablet I definitely want a smartphone I need them why don't I just get both in the same box and get the keyboard docks spent three bucks yet to your contract but also you don't have to get a special data package like the smartphones data package is powering the entire experience so you're saving money monthly as well like I said I told you I was going to sound like a commercial I just cannot stop thinking about that and you know they weren't aggressively drilling this into my head at the thing they weren't like being like but remember it's awesome I just I kept saying and I'm like wait so hold up you're not charging more for the data package aren't you AT&T like isn't this something you would normally you know yeah nickel and dime was exactly but now they're not doing that so I wonder what kind of backroom deals had to be struck in order to do that like this is only a sous his third device on 80s network penis is why it took five months between the announcement this guy finally Schilling going to be single day yeah I asked why the timing was right now and kind of got some you know non-answers but they were very accommodating anyway we're gonna review this thing early next week I'm going to spend all weekend with it I'll tell you what the biggest surprise of it is is the camera the camera is actually quite good I think they've been talking about it was a 13-megapixel it's 13 megapixel but in low light they're doing some crazy stuff at I don't know that they're doing anything overly complicated that much just blasting the exposure up or something like that but when you shoot this thing in night mode and in reduced light mode it's uh it's something yeah it sure is off the top of your head right curious thing you do not off the top my head I'm sorry but it's it's sort of like using the the Xperia z2 again where that like just head out of this world low-light performance the PadFone is at least in the same league of course it's a very noisy shot when you do that but looks like a two point oh so it's not that much different from what we're used to I think it's got to be something on software or just a really long exposure because you do have to hold still for a few seconds well that could do it yeah so anyway um we're gonna talk more about that but yeah I'm I I don't want to talk about this for very long because I know I'm gonna talk about it more in the next show so let's let me know yeah it's gonna be fun another device just landed on a TNT in quite a surprising turn of events isn't that right Steven yeah oh we got the galaxy s5 active dropped on us overnight and this is just this is becoming routine now with some of these follow-ups to the the flagships we had the one mini 2 came out of practically no we're a little bit earlier this month still may isn't it yeah little earlier at this month and now the the gs5 I it lands on us and it got you no wonder this might be in response to that massive leak that came out a little earlier and at this point if Sampson was like well you know cats out of the bag we might as well here I think that is the case this got dropped on us at like midnight Eastern last night and I will tell you that I was sitting I had just come from a party and I was kind of winding down so I'm sitting by myself in this like club and there's you know neon lights all around me I'm enjoying my drink and kind of thinking about not cellphones and this email comes in it's like galaxy s5 now available for pre-order at AT&T I'm like wait hold wait what and that I think the tone of the release was certainly like we kind of didn't want to do it this way but here it is so I I do wonder if that that is in a response to the leak but maybe i'm just reading too much into the pr copy maybe it's just maybe it's me but have we heard anything about international launch of this guy or just a tease I don't think we have heard anything about an international launches I'm sure other than I will be interested in in buying this phone yeah so it is it is the one that we saw leaked by TK tech news it is a beefier s5 and the thing that I like most about this okay it's it's a it's pretty ugly right but the thing that I like most about it is that it doesn't really appear to make any spec compromises whereas last year's s4 active we've substituted an LCD for AMOLED this does not oh yeah whereas last year's s4 active did an 8 megapixel camera to the 13 this is still the 16 of the s5 the battery I think is the same 2800 milliamp hours in both right sounds about in the right range needs gs5 yeah and you know for that for kitkat LTE obviously the i think the 800 hold on a second is it a snap 800 2.5 you know what they're not saying yeah then must be inhale one yeah because it was seasons at 2.5 right yeah yeah okay so if we're assuming it's a it's an 801 anyway this is another device we're going to have for in the office for review so I'm very much looking forward to this you you remember how much I loved the s4 active last year despite its compromises so and it corrected title in this post oh all right yeah please do unless the egg gs5 actor has a hard rate monitor there's another one in there to actually there this one also has so the s4 active was only immersion resistant and dustproof this one also brings mil-spec 810g which is why it's uglier it can withstand some more you know bangs and such is there any mention of 0 is in the sucker not seeing me the book yeah I'm not seeing it either cuz that's what TK wow that was that kind of funny vit leaked video that we sort of made fun of we were like hey man like laurentian does not know is necessarily at was a little we had a fun exchange I'm Twitter about that I'm not seeing any mention of no no I don't I don't see it on the product page either well yeah anyway it's engineered for adventure AT&T is pitching it if you want to buy one retail looks like seven 1499 move instant savings with contract gets you down to 199 which i think is the same price as the s5 is that we were saying before yeah um so this you know no real trade-offs I mean you can get this for I mean you wanted nest five is that could opposed to any more to have this guy as long as you're not turned off by V you know the aesthetics of it which I kind of like yeah I like it too beefy it's rugged and still got some of those exposed screws on the back like we s4 active had I love that industrial look there's a yeah there's a button on this thing that isn't on the s5 what's it yeah about the volume rocker what's that for yeah we saw that in those uh in those videos this is a customizable software button you can use it to you know pull up the and some of the samsung apps i think the default it pulls up one of the it may be thought my head one of their health apps where you can teach other active thing or whatever yeah yeah if you can change it and has you can have a short press or a long press it can be used to pull up different things is this compatible with with AT&T is put to talk oh I don't know I don't think so I don't think that's the intent for this but yeah that's why I was wondering if you can slave it to that but I don't see any something cheery I'm the reason we couldn't yeah interesting stuff well we're gonna bring this to you too I could I could talk for it you know me have been rugged phones I could talk forever about this but let's keep on powering through I think that's pretty cool we've got to talk about this next thing briefly this was another unexpected drop this one from HTC it looks like what was the story here Steven Chu HTC China went and released some news that maybe it was a little early or something like that so that we can follow in this one m8 ace for the past couple months and the story behind this guy has been a little tricky to wrap our heads around because we hearing so much information not all of it has aligned precisely but we were expecting some sort of cheaper version of the One m8 for release in China and we saw some hardware leaks they just look weird then we saw some ones that looked a little more traditional a lot like the one m8 itself but with a few aesthetic changes replacing the metal or plastic dropping the duo camera in favor of a big 13 megapixel camera and moving the the flash to our one of the the way at the depth sensor was um oh yeah that's right i can see that yeah flat is above their yeah um and then a little earlier this week we got all these leaks where it has looked like official promotional pictures describing the features of this guy and then sure enough yesterday we saw HTC China publish these are very same images on its own website and it made an announcement on Weibo the big Chinese social site about this contest it was running at giving away a bunch of these phones sales haven't started yet I think they're still probably a month away but it's confirmed we're still not exactly sure what to call this thing though you know a bunch of translations have been made for the Chinese character that HTC has been using here with a Boog edition fashion edition and until we get some sort of you know and i think tim is we're going to get an announcement it makes you see telling us what to call this guy in the west unless it's you know intended for release here which we still don't know but yeah it's confirmed this thing exists although this raises the question then there was another thing we were looking at this is the phone who's similar in layout to the one and mate but the top and bottom where we have the so the grills on this thing pretty much match the 1n mate but we've seen these images of one where the grill sort of extends across the whole to write the entire material there right right and there was an initial leak that was we didn't know what we were seeing but then it popped up again more recently from china's version of the FCC and that's not what this phone is so we still don't know what that guy is that was weird i was cheese man icc is well i have you know they're possibly fulfilling that promise of more devices at more price points instead of just relying on the single singular flagship to drive the whole thing they're gonna you know broaden their portfolio so and we've also had the be to the new butterflied is probably gonna pop up yeah somewhere in asia at some point which looks slightly different from all of these ones about there's a lot to see on that i think so i think until we know more let's move on to something that I found very interesting until I realized the damn video is private what in hell they made it private yeah so we were looking this is a wearable thing guys you know we love wearable in it yeah weird wanted to see we wasn't blowing up this week I mean I've been covering more wearable stories in the past few days and i remember in no recent history it's been fun i've been enjoying it and that this g watch was uh I that was teased at the g3 event LG their final point yeah they had it on in the showing accessories right there like we have a lot of accessories for this and it was like gia watch my call are you gonna talk about yes an apple like and one more thing I know I would sort of didn't expect it and then it is just glad they teased it but I think there's no question we are gonna see this thing at i/o would you agree I not then then another event around the same time but when this thing was announced in March I mean I wouldn't have been surprised if it had its formal retail announcement just a couple weeks later from the as soon as we learned about this thing it seemed nearly ready to go it did yeah it seemed much more close to release or much closer to release then the Moto 360 but of course it has a commensurate reduction in you know wow factor just because it's yeah square SmartWatch like so what however it is one of the first Android wear devices so we were excited to see I guess a video a hands-on video did you watch it I did so we've seen hands on pictures of the G watch before but it was powered off at the time and then this video popped up yesterday it seemed Sherman and didn't show us that much a lot of it was still looking at the hardware the key to watch itself but briefly we got to see some of the interactions with Android wear how did I power it on just the button press on the side is there like a tap on the face to wake it there's there's no button on the side there's no no the only hardware buttons on the back and I'm guessing it's a reset button how do you weigh things get I don't know I didn't catch that from the video and it seemed like they only had a very brief amount of time to interact with this we saw the same you know short run through the menus looped twice so ok I'm is your name that may be why this was make private they weren't supposed to be sharing it and con started I had the inclination when I first saw this thing just give problem yeah I should download this is probably isn't gonna last and I didn't but hmm um I did a week search to see if anybody else had reuploaded it I couldn't find it I seriously considered it for a brief moment but then at the same time what am I gonna do & Overy uploads its pocket now and get sued no yeah but we saw just scrolling through a list of timers we saw they didn't have a clock face this is a very very thoroughly Android wear um but we could see like you can pull down see the battery remaining it was neat it had some soy controls but this is a taste aesthetically did it match the screenshots we saw and the other linked post in the rundown like these notification no this is this is I think far earlier than what we saw those officially released one of the Google's Android accounts are one of the people working from cool released I think seven or so screenshots showing what developers can do with notifications being sent to wear and so things like multi screen notifications you know swipe to get the rest of it the notifications with media playback controls like we see on Android itself yeah this is a lot further along yeah I got to say I was a little disappointed because I click through it was like sweet and then it's basically just just a hey this like seven of them and it's like nest there's a nest alert and there's a clash of clans alert so the alerts look like white cards that you might see in Google now yeah very nowish they have like a thumbnail on them to tell you what app they're coming from which is pretty cool and then they just you know they very readable text and stuff you'd expect but you know it was it didn't blow my hat but these I think we're mostly the the basic notifications because we will elude it to developers being able to do a lot more watch specific stuff to give users interactivity oh um a voice response to things like everybody notification and you can get speak you know what you want to do next like oh you got a text message ok show me the text message god I there's always not I'm we're gonna move on but always every frickin SmartWatch post there's always some goddamn killjoy to be like a one wouldn't need a SmartWatch for get out of my face every way god I can't stand that anyway uh finally the last bit of news on the G watch is that there is this rumor and I don't know the credence of this rhythmic reported on it I think yesterday the day before that the G watch may operate independently of its companion smartphone meaning it would have an embedded sim your solo style yeah embed zoom is weird though I don't like that it's very strange right more information is expected at i/o in late June which would be interesting that yeah rhythmic Briggs an interesting point why would you want to make this device you know it i think there isn't good i think there is a market for standalone smartwatches i mean it may not be now hello it's but i don't think like you would position at this what maybe there'll be two versions or something like that that's what i would help I don't think that everyone's going to want the watch that has its consuming battery power constantly as its trying to maintain cellular signal that has an extra data plan you have to pay for i right you definitely have the option for just a tethered I'm still holding on to the dream of like smartwatches as the new dumb phones I think that would be so cool just to have everyone I mean maybe if you think that everyone everyone everyone is going to be on a smartphone of some form in the future I'm not prepared to call you wrong but I do think that there are gonna be some people out there who still you know just one voice and SMS and that's about it like you know it's kyle of dining segment but i've been looking through some of my old electronic gaming monthly from the mid 90s because that's what I like to read in my spare time this was the old magazines yeah it's awesome atms they're the CES spread and 80 had this um it was in the Y is a SmartWatch it's a watch phone and it wasn't even cellular you said to hook it up to it's like a cordless phone for your home but it had a little it flipped out like it does so we kind of looked like a flip phone that you hold it up to your to the side of your head I want to see that asked me to get Brody that do can you please snap a shot of that and send it to me cuz absolutely Taylor is preparing a throwback piece that actually that would be nice for perfect uh alright so that's we're gonna learn more about the G watch as time goes on I think we got to just move on here finally to tie up the Android category even though this is sort of cross-platform atty thing we're gonna see it a lot in android if it becomes adopted oh boy wireless charging guys oh this guy listen rock palm ship listen this is so exciting to me and it's exciting to me for exactly this damn reason i'm at the assu SPAD phone event of talking to AT&T am having a great time they say hey the PadFone smartphone component can also charge wirelessly i'm like great is that chi and they're like uh actually no no I gotta go check on that and I checked on it and now it's the stupid AT&T damn poor because they're backing that standard and so of course all the cheese stuff that I have in my house doesn't work with the damn padfone and that's stupid and it's the worst damn thing ever I mean I have yet to go to the starbucks and find out if this works and their stupid pads that nobody uses because it's the wrong standard because it's not being pushed if I hit the whole thing so how could this broadcom device solve those problems Steven because the broadcom chip don't care if your Chi if your power whatever it's so there are basically three competitors right now trying to determine the standard here and you know like you said if you're not if you don't have the right phone and the right charger that match up you can't do anything so what broadcom is trying to do is eliminate that incompatibility by on the phone side of things making a power chip that can handle any of these three different charging standards you can put it on a Qi charger you can put it doesn't matter with its starbucks you just drop it and you know it's gonna work because it's like oh yeah if it's a wireless charger it'll work this reminds me of a lot of the system when system on our chips were coming out that included radios for like gsm and cdma or do you know the big ones that were like gsm or cdma and HSPA when 18t was doing a switchover like i remember reading about these SOC s that had both radios in a moment oh wow great that's cool now it can be one phone across carriers and that's eventually what we did my only concern was that you know I read this and I'm immediately worrying well is this gonna be a case where yes the chip supports all these different standards but like with smartphones with them with their radios and band support where even if the makeshift might support you know 20 different LTE bands the phone actually doesn't because the antenna is only engineered to be optimized for two or three so we're gonna see things where like they need different size coils or something and haven't gotten a hard answer but reading through the press release I don't get the impression that would be a problem I think that this chip can handle these different standards with enough grace that the the hardware external to the ship isn't going to queer the deal that's interesting you that's a good point because it's not just the chips to antenna and that's you know we're dealing with physics there like some some coils are sized for specific pads and stuff like that and it's like what is its induction vs what's the other the other resonance yeah yeah yeah so that's gonna be interesting so what you're saying is it is not garen t that this is going to be a panacea for our woes those of us who love wireless charging possibly not but this is definitely the best thing that wireless charging has had come alone around port in a long while and I mean even not just the broad compatibility aside if this was just key or just a TNT's thing it still sounds like a very good chat but has all these no high efficiency you know the speed is boost mode it sounds like it's solidly in and of itself because that's been a giant complaint of wireless charging is that it is slower too long yeah i'm looking forward by the way to the comments on this what do i need wireless charging what do i need smart watches you don't mind about anything like fun hey if that's if all that's true then this thing deserves a far sexier name than BCM 59 30 50 or whatever I rolls off the tongue when I look forward to seeing that in some smartphones let's see if we can power through the iOS and windows segments find out what's going on here I always you get a wireless charging yeah so that's a nice little bridge there what is the story here Apple might be selecting a partner for a wireless charging specifically we're thinking for the iWatch which makes a lot of sense we've talked before about how you probably want to wirelessly charge a watch because it's a nice bedside table piece of accoutrement also it alone is need for ports yes this is true and I think with Motorola we might be getting a wireless charging thing with the Moto 360 oh gee my TV did they allude to that now those battery they were talking about because they G watch has those pads on the back but yeah now we're talking about the i watch it Apple that really is getting someone to manufacture these the coils this external stuff we were just talking about the broadcom chip for the iWatch then that very well may use put on you know this bedside pedestal like you mentioned oh I think it's interesting that you talked about that because we had another development with smart phone charging I came up this week nothing's in the rundown but this new Samsung thing with them it's called sim the sim band well yeah they're their health platform yeah and this is it's still early early phase of this and the hardware doesn't sound very exciting it's just like a reference platform but the one thing that really stuck in my mind was that Samsung want you to wear this thing 24 hours a day so you don't take it off to charge it get out of my face what a nerd directed wireless charging no um I made the understanding is wrong I didn't watch the whole presentation but talking about the shuttle battery which sounds like a battery that you charge like a normal wall charger and plug it in and then you take this thing and itself it's wireless you I'm plucking my charger and then you attach it to the watch and it sort of clips on with magnets and so it's like a shuttle it sort of relays the charge from the wall charger to the watch by means of a separate external battery whoa interesting it's a little complicated but yeah betia then you leave that on overnight and aware of the lock is you sleep no monitor your blood pressure and all that stuff all night long like a drill battery kinda yeah yeah that's interesting at least you're gonna plug into a boring alcove to charge up with it wear it all the time I'll give it time well I think you know all of this points to exciting developments at least in the wireless charging space and it finally leveraging the technology for the purposes for you know reasonable logical purposes as much as I love wireless charging on a smartphone I agree that not everyone is going to see the utility and it not everyone needs it but for a watch where you want to minimize ports it's a great idea you know for a wearable that you that ostensibly some people will wear 24 hours a day having some evolution of wireless charging too for long distance charging which we've seen bandied about for ages by the way the s4 was like rumored to have all right charges three miles away like you know these these Tesla technologies anyway I just I think it's exciting to see so much buzz about this and I think we're on the verge of another of a sort of resurrection of wireless charging yet again or who knows what the sea state will be after this next well really want to put a wireless charger in my car I almost got as on WPCentral was talking about a deal where AT&T was offloading the old Nokia wire chargers for like five bucks a pop oh my god really yeah and they were only in stores and very limited availability the closest one to me was like 20 miles away so I didn't end up getting one but and I hear that they're awful you need to be super precisely positioned to were not I'm looking at one right now I'm holding in my hand I was just I got very excited and then I was like oh right but it's the Nokia one that's the Nokia one it's not the nexus for puck or the touchdown from palm like it's just it's not ugly it's just this plate but yeah you do have to be very precise and there are no magnets or anything that's the thing that's what should be built into these standards as a mounting paradigm that that makes sense that makes it enjoyable to use because that's the one thing all this is missing like on the nexus 4 Puckett's like oh there's a layer of rubber that's six of the phone the nokia thing is just hard plastic the phone slides everywhere like that sucks the only people I've seen do it really well or tilt with their angled thing angled cradle that works nicely but I know I can't remember what the nexus 5 charger looks like on the top of my head because I got its own special one didn't it I don't know if it did I thought you think it was the same orb I think it was a more angular one that came out I don't know maybe but the orb was a good idea just needs magnets but magnets mms everything else I think I google took all the old Nexus cues and is cut them in half yeah oh the queue poor thing Apple goes official with the beats deal we talked I know yet the other day yeah it's so funny because I was just listening to another podcast that is discussing the possibilities here and we seemed you know a lot of people are on the fence like a is this actually gonna happen or not and it's happening three billion bucks for Apple to buy beats do you think Stephen that they did this because they're not certain about the future of itunes because itunes is like not even a contender in the streaming space or do you think they did it for you know some combination of that and other stuff what do you think is the way i should have phrased that question well we're just feeding me the answers ya know it's got to be a combination but I I hadn't really considered so much the decline of itunes but I think you do have a point I mean just in general smartphone users seem to be and I have some heated opinions about this but moving away from ownership to subscription services rent an your music yeah yeah and I mean we see more and more of these subscription things arriving and no one's making a new store where you buy music so and it beats and it's growing fast doesn't have a ton of subscribers i think i heard 250,000 mentioned in one of the reports coming along side the announcement here but it's it's a growth market and beets has that brand recognition that's you know paramount importance that is another thing that i just can't help but think about I mean we all kind of poo-poo beats because it it does really like ruin audio if you're an audiophile originally I tend to like its effects when I need a little more volume everybody knows that I've said it a billion times but really the important thing is that outside tech circles i think that beats is so damn recognizable that that is going to be a it's going to be a very visible addition to apples music offering because i think you know the ipod the sort of luster of the company that built the ipod is starting to fade a little bit you know it used to be that you wanted those lily white ipod headphones or the chic things to get and now we have you know jimmy iovine I don't know Jovian yeah I mean a slamming up he was talking like he was right next to when he's apple guy saying oh yeah the apple headphones suck yeah how far we've come I indeed I know and it always reminds me of the one of the best pieces of advertising I've seen which is a sign that lives outside a local headphone shop a stereo shop that says they're free for a reason and it has a picture of these earbuds I'm like that you know that's a solid point but you know this this brand is not is not hated in the real world I think it's recognized and I think people really think beats has done a good job of convincing people that it's hardware is superior and even if it's not true it's a status symbol like the ipod was like those white wires were think that's the new beats like you get beats if you want people to understand that you have money to throw away on headphones like that's important so you're my beats if you want to have headphones that are pretty rather than sounding better true but you know i'm fine with that like I mean I by smartphone are very reason own I mean like I get it tonight i underst and I'd be shallow that's cool it's just interesting that Apple found a combination of factors such as perhaps that perhaps buttressing it's streaming music offerings perhaps enhancing its audio hardware and perhaps brand awareness and the the desire to be hip again or be more hip and it found that all that were three billion dollars and you know dr. Dre sitting on your board what that's worth it right there yeah I actually don't know if that's part of the deal or not but I assumed it was I mean from one of the who was the press announcement or Tim Cook's letter but it did give the impression that the beets leadership was coming on board to Apple in some form or another Jesus I mean I don't know man like I you know I have a lot of respect for for for dr. Dre's professional accomplishments but I can't like I can never get over the fact that dude like beat up a woman like severely beat a woman and everyone knows this but everyone has you know decided to forget it because whatever he's Dre okay I don't know anyway I'm more importantly though this purchase gave us the opportunity to see one of the the best brand tweets I've ever seen whereas Denny's sent out that we breaking Denny's buys beats for three billion makes you salad oh my god Bless You Dennis ve whatever that all right what so let's uh take us home here what's happening with wdc just tell us when we can expect it Stephen and where we can watch that ish Apple will be so not all of us can afford to attend WWDC in beautiful San Francisco so starting very very soon to be a busy DC veggie dip net kicks off next week on Monday June second and Apple is going to be streaming a thing for all of us at home to watch so if you've got a computer you have a lot of good options here you know max won't have any problem accessing this and if you're on Windows you guys install quicktime you able to watch it only problem is we don't have quite the same compatibility on the smartphone side of things so sorry those of you you know junkies who have made the switch to your smartphone doing all the work for you because have to rely on us to tell you what happened at WWDC than any interesting announcements that come out of it yeah I think we have an editorial roundtable scheduled if the news that comes out of it is compelling enough so don't worry those of you in the comments who called on us to have more live hangouts I've certainly we would like to it's just very difficult to get over to everyone together busy yeah we busy folks and speaking of which we got to go so anyway we're going to be covering that stay tuned for that let's jump into Windows very quick will sound the bong bong there it is Oh be mobile to launch first Windows Phone this was one of the kind of wave of new manufacturers that might wake flood is more like it yeah that they called out and said Nick hey we're gonna have all these guys building windows phones isn't that cool really glad that it's pretty cool to have more OEMs for especially for emerging markets this one is particularly interesting because it's obi mobile it is run by john sculley who formerly was most famous for firing steve jobs from Apple few decades ago so I don't want i'm not i'm not calling that absolutely we can pile on the guy for you know using our retrospect to be like oh you're mine sites 2020 exactly now it's not that at all it's just i find it if i find it interesting that this company that he is I don't know the founder of a know if he's a founding member of her or whatever he's not the same i can't imagine he has much direct input to the phone design or anything guess that he's involved with this is going to get people paying attention yeah agreed i mean it's just always interesting to see somebody from one company you know then move into a situation where is now working for a competitor or having formed a competitor so it's an interesting header image with the CEO ajay sharma standing there with what looks like a galaxy s5 but may be done no that's bond is more for heart rate you know yeah and then presumably this new device nice i don't know what's going on this header image is just interesting but a windows phone is coming from the guy who fired steve jobs i thought it was worth a mention LOL but also in a broader sense I it's gonna be pretty cool to see whether Microsoft is successful at fostering this Android like ecosystem at the low end yeah these are just gonna be you know the throwaway not nokia devices or if any of them are going to get a good reputations for themselves if people are going to actively seek these out I mean not in all markets certainly but are these going to be possibly more appealing at some of the higher-end but correspondingly more expensive options it's a good point it's a good question and I think they're going to outperform all where most of the Android devices at their price point so not that I know anything about the price point but if you're doing emerging markets you definitely want to make some assumptions yeah exactly so um you know windows phone has always been really good at performing on very shoestring hardware so I think that's going to be interesting to see and I'm actually looking forward to more windows phone news as we go on we were kind of now at the tail end of the big ol blast the pre-acquisition blast of products from nokia and now we're in the low as as microsoft mobile gets going when do we know by the way when they're gonna brand themselves didn't they announce that didn't they say a couple months or so I don't know I've stopped referring to the company making the phones and general what I'm talking about these guys let's talk about the Lumias I don't know if something nokia Microsoft mobile I'm just keeping my 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