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oh man you will not believe life Chad what we had to go through to get to this point you'll notice we lost Brandon I like just put this way come next week we are going to move to another way of doing this podcast seriously alright can you hear me now oh yes I can hear you oh thank god I know for real god what a mess like I wonder if anybody at Google actually uses hangouts yeah I think that's the reason why they're canceling it or whatever it is that they're doing cuz it pretty no it's they just know it's trash I mean they have hangouts meet and I don't imagine that that would that that would go into YouTube live but let just put it this way I know of a different way of doing this that might actually make life easier on everybody it just it just sort all the work will be on me so we're gonna be we're gonna probably move to like Skype and Skype actually released what they call creator features where if you set it up a certain if you just hit a few settings and settings every stream from every caller audio and video can become a stream for apps like OBS and xsplit basically gamer apps so you can create those streams and I can manipulate them so that we're all in one screen we don't even have to worry about it like moving back and forth and then I just stream that to YouTube live alright alright yeah so you know ideally we would have it so that I just make sure all the audio stole oh my god so your audio just went full slo-mo right now really yes really oh my god restore the worst service in history this is the worst service in history like I God in the problem is it actually started off well I don't I don't understand how Google could start something out so well and then get it wrong eventually is your audio back to I can't hear you I can't hear you like for example if I disconnect the headphones and then connect them back in I will it will remain stuck to the speaker now I can hear you okay there we go good yeah so that means I have to restart my recording - still recording I've got no worries I will figure it out later Jules this is what you had to go through god Jules I feel so bad for you buddy miss you test alright so recording again back on back on track in that case let's see what our chad is saying did you all watch a Star Wars trailer okay I know I have not I haven't watched a yeah yeah I haven't watched it yet I saw it on the front page of YouTube and I was really curious alright in any case let's finally get the show on the road Brandon thank you for falling on your sword for us hi I said that we could like do this on Sunday I'll get the Skype version of the podcast running but you know what let's just it's I made myself for today next week we will be finally I need a day off so know you guys are like Sunday Saturday I'm like no I've been on I've been flying so much I'm like now I need a day off yeah even even the well we're gonna talk about the event later but us being in San Francisco which is not far from me I still am recovering granted you know we're not gonna get into like the fun stuff that happened during that trip but there was plenty of it but yeah there's recovery going on right now so I feel the exact same way I'm actually very self conscious on my voice right now so if my voice sounds extra husky or raspy right now I apologize everybody other than the technical difficulty of it sounding weird border to work yes it's a teaser I saw things I recognize and I so oh my god Anna bong what are you doing here why don't you join oh because it's gonna collapse the podcast that's true nevermind we don't miss him anyways all I know is that the trailer is called the rise of Skywalker and I'm like wait a minute so what no I feel so I feel so ignorant right now damn it where is it that's all I saw the title that's all I saw but anyways we're going to get the show going so as long as all true that's why we're here yes exactly all right let me give it a beat take a quick sip of this bulletproof to keep me going after Oh God okay here we go the weekly is supported by the Oregon State University eCampus do you want to take the fast-track to your career in computing you can earn your computer science degree 100% online from Oregon State and tap into unlimited career possibilities in any fields learn more at eCampus Oregon State edu slash now massive traffic to Coachella and tax day will not keep us and even technical difficulties we're not gonna keep us from having a show on this week hello everybody and welcome to the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on this day this is it is April 12 2019 to anybody who has watched the YouTube version you solve just what kind of technical difficulties we were coming into this we are almost an hour late for our scheduled podcast because at some point in hangouts I could hear Jaime but not Brandon at some point I could hear Brandon but not Jaime they could hear each other I was the one who is being messed with this entire day and it's natural fools yeah exactly it's not even April Fool's it's like half a month away already that went by quick then it yeah but in any case we have here of course the host of the pocket now daily and pocket now a DA do you all know him and lovin Jaime Rivera is back but yeah welcome back I'm a good to see you back on the cast thank you for having me I told you we should recorded this in San Fran dude we didn't have to deal with the drama of hangouts my god I agree with you though I don't think after having after having appeared on all about Android that night oh that's sure you have to drive so far buddy I did I mean well I good thing is like there's just something about the guys over at all about Android that I just can't say no to them whenever they know that I'm gonna be in town they asked me to come on and I always go cuz it's a fun time I always forget it's a two-hour podcast so it's long oh yeah coming back after all about Android I was just like I just don't know if I have enough hosts in me after two hours as a guest I know I know yeah so I'm good to see you back I see that green screen in the background that's pretty dope sorry about that I usually film in the living room but right now it's like so I have so Logitech cooked me up with a ton of stuff man they're pro keyboard they're nine oats whew gaming mouse with like the whole would like that trackpad that that sorry not the track that but the mousepad that charges inductively and they sent me the Logitech Brio which is what I'm currently using so we finally have a better camera even if it seems that my Wi-Fi stream is not great but I can't really do much about that right now and then Yeti sent me your Yeti caster which is freaking awesome man yeah I love that okay so did you learn that from from thundery that that upside down he does that no it's just I don't like it the other way around because you can't really use the table so this is just a more practical way to still get audio and have your table available to you okay fair enough okay so as you can see from our title we are going to talk about the LGG eight think you and I love how I'm always saying thank you now it's just become a habit to me back on all about Android Jason how a shout-out to you he was the only person that I know of that actually referred to it as the think you and I was like don't do that please don't do that it's the g8 but yes we're gonna get to that a little bit later there are a couple of announcements that I want to make sure we cover that happened this week and one of them we were actually attending while some of our friends went straight to this other events right after we got out of San Francisco I am talking of course about the brand new Samsung phone the a series that we'd never get to enjoy here in the US though I think it's a travesty because the a series tends to introduce new features to the flagship line so the a series you saw you saw this thing right like you didn't you this was I wish I would have seen it live one for the ACE series and two for the trip to Milan damn it Milan once again my goodness one like they're picking like every company is picking these crazy destinations like there's there's Milan there's Paris you know Paris seems to be the hot one stop complaining let's just do it again let's yeah let's rewind the tape and stop our whining not again well the thing is with the Samsung aid I keep wanting to say eight ninety I don't know why hey eighty right so with the a eighty what we have here is I was already saying that the slider mechanism from like the Xiaomi me mix three a couple of other ones like the mechanical sliders of the find of the Oppo find X like it felt like they were going to go away too quickly and then here comes Samsung and they're like nah hold our what's a Korean beer hold my beer I was like what's a Korean beer that I'm trying to remember hold my height old my soju and and here comes a phone that not only has a sliding mechanism but it also has a rotating camera a rotating motorized camera a la Oppo n1 and three so in one and three and Oppo find X had a baby and it came out really nice yeah exactly now I don't know the I don't know the actual specs on the phone itself but from what I what I remember of the eight series it tends to not be the top tier like process or internals or anything like that but it is the radical phone but that's the Phenom II we just came out of an event from with Qualcomm where they announced the Snapdragon 737 30g and six 65 and 730 is the one that's powering this phone and so if you remember there are two major things at the 7:30 and 7:30 to bring they bring far better video support the six 65 brings a far better isp for imaging but this one 730 brings the better isp for both video and photos show usually the biggest problem when you go mid tier is not just people don't a lot of people don't know this and I'll admit that I didn't really understand this until probably about a year ago where I didn't know that it wasn't just about the sensor it could be the best Sony sensor it could be the best camera lens but if the ISP on the processor is not going to do a good job in supporting these you know it just throws everything down the drain and so yeah so this 7:30 brings a significantly better isp along with the 665 and so you're gonna have better photo better video but then it's a premium mid-range err it's not an 855 it's in the middle in between the sixth series and the and we're already jumping topics but that's really what makes this phone special I mean if you remember the 730 supports 48 megapixel cameras and I believe this 880 has a 48 megapixel correct I might I actually haven't read the spec sheets to like it's it's weird once these rent not the renders but once people's coverage of the phone was coming out I just kept honing in on that rotating camera I can't stop looking at it it is the weirdest thing like this this doesn't feel like a Samsung to me like 48 megapixel camera okay so we got a snapdragon 738 that's an eight nanometer we're talking about let me see Wow so is this correct triple K yeah triple cameras 8 megapixel pixel f/2 8 megapixel F 2.2 12 millimeter ultra wide and then we've got a time-of-flight 3d camera and you know so you pretty much can use that whether you're doing selfies or using this as a primary camera and you know even so it's a 1080p Plus display we're talking about a gigabytes of RAM 128 gigabytes of storage I mean this is it's the error it's a very very well designed very good-looking premium mid-range err and literally the only thing that's making it a premium mid-range is that 730 that's powering it that's not the chump that usually mid-range err processors used to be so how okay I I came I came to this thought originally that this sliding rotating mechanism it doesn't feel very Samsung to me like this is the most radical thing that I think that they've ever done as far as hardware design is concerned and I are you talking about Galaxy Note edge dude I mean I agree with you I see no like I mean I love that Samsung is back to that root surely this is not their idea it's somebody else's idea but I love a company that's willing to dare things I mean right now you like right now whatever companies are not doing crazy things or not just not relevant you need that you need that Tesla Roadster even if you're not gonna sell it you need the Roadster to keep people's eyeballs on you while you launch that Model 3 in that Model S that's the way you make money I agree with you this is your cheapest publicity stunt ever with the exception that this phone is actually gonna sell and it's actually really good yeah indeed and the thing is like I remember the Note edge I'll never forget it I remember one of my friends back home in my neighborhood actually got the note edge and we all like meet my brother and I my brother like follows our content and he I remember him looking at her and going what made you why who who talked to you at the t-mobile store and convinced you to get that like like who actually got into your head that this would be the phone for you to get she's like I don't know there's more screen and it looks really it you know I kind of like how unique it looks and we're like can you hold it can you hold it just like but in any case yes that is the last time that they weren't very radical with this but what I mean here is that this is the kind of like the Note edge what's its own thing meanwhile the a series has generally been like that mid-range err line that people can get for a little bit less money but this is like the most like this is the craziest thing that they've done that the mid-range people that don't even live in the West like they're in there in Europe like we don't get it and I'm like that's that's almost a travesty but that but of course as Samsung generally does when the a series all of a sudden had a metal backing or rather it had the metal frame then we got the note for when and then it got the the white the the the triple camera or the at least a double camera then we got the Galaxy s8 yes so so that that's the other thing that I was gonna say is that Samsung has been using the galaxy a line for for experimentation and so you've just pointed it out that was the first galaxy with a metal frame back in the day the first Galaxy alpha was the first one and then we've seen the triple cameras and everything and so obviously there is a lot less risk in the galaxy a and if it sells well then that this is like okay the the guinea pigs bought it let's now pull it into the Galaxy S or into the Galaxy Note you know III think that it's like the smartest way to test the product where you're not pulling all your guns at risk here or as other companies only have one product and everything that either do right or wrong can be a significant risk to everything mm-hmm fair enough so do you think that this is going to be a note this do you think this is what we're gonna look forward to with the note 10 no no because let me look continue looking into these specs I'm not exactly sure this thing is water-resistant so I don't think that Samsung is going to bring a slider mechanism to that that's the biggest problem with doing sliders I mean is there any that's water-resistant no and there's some reason and and for some reason these companies are not wanting to experiment with the nano coating that moto was using in their previous flagships to bring in internal water resistance so I don't know man I don't see any water resistance here so I don't think so I don't think so we'll see all right fair enough okay quick shout-out to our live chat I just opened it up I Ambler always a homie like in there thank you for for shouting out at my my personal gaming channel once again but yeah so make sure that we get if you have any donations that of course you can always donate you last year you just pledged a hundred bucks exactly yeah thank you so much he's been very active on pocket now and on my channel and channels I should say but yeah I am blur like you're too generous bro thank you so much for that if you have any donations of course we'll give you a shout out did for like seriously humbled we should have you on the podcast one day oh yeah there you go it only 200 though I'm kidding I'm playing I'm playing all right so you mentioned we mentioned already a little bit in that last story the processor of course we have in this particular phone work is the ad gonna be the first one with that 7:30 because it's the first one announced I mean I was shocked because Qualcomm didn't really so he went to their event and they didn't tell us that these are the phones usually Qualcomm will brag about not just their product but their partners they mentioned no partners whatsoever and then out of the blue boom we get a phone and it wasn't like even related like we were they're still with Samsung the device got announced and nobody from Qualcomm sorry we were there with Qualcomm and nobody from Qualcomm was like look the first phone launch nobody said anything like nothing so that was that was weird yeah so um I I don't know how much we'll be able to actually talk about the AI aspect of that event which for a three hour presentation it was two and a half hours of it yes but the problem is it was I you know for a moment there I was like alright Matt I need to just go register at MIT and just like the conversation was so technical so technical so beyond technical I'm like shareef buddy if you're listening you're on Twitter and we're always talking I miss Sharif at Qualcomm because he would do such a great job at just being like alright humans net let the robot conversation already already finished human some over I'll explain to you in human terms with everything that just got talked about me yeah indeed that we do miss you Sharif and you know what though he's still active on Twitter so it's not least awesome he's it's not like we never hear from the guy but yes to our to our listeners and viewers of the YouTube channel if you if you take anything away from this particular episode just remember this for people like us who are in the industry there are two different ways of talking about products and about spec there's high level and low level it it'll seem backwards but high level is what people like Jaime and myself are and what all of you are we know the surface level we know what it means to the lifestyle we know what it means to actually have a product and and what it does for our lives however the nitty gritty the deep down deep dive low level stuff it's exactly what Qualcomm was was presenting to us when it came to AI all of these like I don't even know the jargon but there were there were questions that were being posed that I was like I would have never thought to ask that you know like how many how many gigawatts like the funny part has been the presentation finished and they they asked for around the questions and very few people that's like what were you gonna ask I have no idea I mean I would have been like I don't know like can AI well with all of this and like because what they're doing is they're bolstering all of the AI cloud capabilities and also on devising abilities with it yeah yep yeah yeah it'll be able to process even more there's gonna be much more capability there's gonna be much more power involved for what will eventually become AI solutions but the question is how will that actually make AI better when are the only examples we really have right now are these AI assistants which I don't think anyone truly uses on the daily I do I do man and I am surprised I have an a device right in front of me so I can't mention the name I am surprised it like for example I in the extra couple of days that I stayed in Barcelona a couple of friends from Barcelona I insisted that I that I stay a couple of days with them and so I you know I they were so nice and so gracious that allow me to stay in their apartment and the first thing that we were walkin was just walking in and the guy is like a turn on the lights boom a lock the door a start playing this song and so they are not really tech savvy people and yet I get to see that more and more and more and so one of the things that I did take away from the presentation was one of the things is my level of admiration over how much work goes in the background for all all this to be so natural to us the consumer and just to realize how many layers of work how many years of R&D how difficult it is to actually get a and the G assistant to understand very simple conversation I was shocked I was honestly shocked you know and one of the things that call come announces their whole AI focused like server based processor alright fine we're gonna bring this technology now to a higher level we're not just gonna dedicate ourselves to doing the end part of the mobile system but also be able to provide the capabilities to servers and everything and so you know there's a lot of work but it also makes me really confident that you know over time as consumers we're gonna see the result of this obviously that AI processor that's gonna be launched later it's gonna be second half of 2019 I believe so yes it's gonna be late yeah for sure yeah and and so you know I'm just I'm grateful that so much work is happening in the background to enable everything that we're seeing and obviously what we need to see now our products but I you know I think that the way Qualcomm is taking it particularly you know how like for example from if you saw it's like a loop were like first they they they showed us in San Diego the way they're approaching the mobile chips for these speakers to work wirelessly and so somebody was like yeah no but Amazon had already done this which was actually a I believe a Qualcomm chip but you couldn't really talk to the product and have it listen to you well it was on battery power you had to press a button for it to listen or ask this you this new chip you can talk to it and then and so we're going in that direction and I'm really liking it I really am I think it's great it's just this whole idea that the the action that the low-level specifications are getting so much better that it seems so beyond the realm of understanding we have right now and that's a good thing go get me wrong it's a good thing it's just that when we were sitting there were just like oh my god sorry but but I am blur saying like Josh was video flawless hymens video pewdiepie filter oh I did see that are you using the are you using the oh gosh blur you have to be nine years old to get my reference that's that that's some shade right there has some shade PewDiePie no I actually I actually I actually Diego actually explained to me with that filter means no idea the guy no but I'm actually using the Brio it's not that problem the problem is the the stream to Wi-Fi actually move the route to a different position but I need like this apartment oddly is not small for New York and therefore it's just too many devices connected to it today I called her I called FiOS and I'm like listen that like I need a router replacement of the guys like well it would really help if you would turn off any of those 48 devices that you have on that would really help and when it gets 2019 dude come on man and like I've got lights I've got speakers I've got Smart TVs I've come on man welcome to the 21st century seriously I need a better router and I need a made a mesh connection so that I was about to say do you need a mesh do you need a mesh router or really you can pick up probably one of those heavy-duty gaming routers I've actually been getting emails from Netgear for that kind of stuff I would really appreciate one tell them that sure I have a problem and I'll feature it no problem there we go oh yeah I'll email them back and say yeah send me a review unit it's not gonna be me though I'm not using it in any case before we get into our first tour only break rather before we get into our break some final thoughts on the processors obviously the Snapdragon talk was what made us sit up and we have an example now with the AAT from Samsung the Snapdragon 730 is I mean what was the is it six six five that was the 65 and the seven thirty G which is focused on gaming I like this a lot because I'm okay you have the casual user who might actually know and if you do know what your specific needs are from a smart phone more power to you it's very rare for someone to be like that so she in our industry so if you know that you want a good camera period yeah hard stop if you know you want a good gaming phone hard stop then Qualcomm is hooking you up and this is important that's the reason why this is important is because it's taking some of the features from the flagship flagship processors which unless you're in China you're probably going to be spending at least 700 plus dollars on it and putting it into a mid-range processor that can be put into a mid-range phone that ideally could be 5 maybe some 500 and that's awesome you can get a gaming phone actually play that pub G your friends get mad at them and like do it without too much too many problems you could play new games like elder scrolls blades what you just came out and I'm just playing and I've just pretty registered for Call of Duty mobile which was just announced two days ago as well so there are a lot of games coming out and this is actually meeting those new games and actually like that I'm obviously talking mainly about the gaming one there's also the camera one and you mentioned that this is a good thing before yeah I you know for me again we you and I have had conversations repeatedly about gaming and mobile um I'm wondering if that 730 G will enable some sort of a resurface of like the Nvidia shield a product that's dedicated for gaming that would that's not a phone I mean the Nintendo switch already proved that you know the product doesn't need to be a phone to be popular and people are actually willing to pony up more money for a better gaming experience and so and we I mean can we get better Android games that take advantage more of a product that doesn't have to worry about the battery life of a phone and the difficulties of a phone and the fact that a phone has to have a screen that's everything is touchscreen where instead we can have controls and everything that's that was my biggest question that I honestly I forgot to like fully asked at the event was what's the plant with this gaming focus processor is it different kind of hardware or what's the plan yeah and I think but the thing is the hardware part is going to be up to the manufacturers to take that gaming processor and actually build itself around it I don't think welcome actually has the too much say in that kind of thing but I will say there were a couple of videos that came out from a few of our influence or friends including thundery where they had the reference device which by the way Qualcomm come on your reference devices actually look good start hand those designs over to people so that we can actually get those phones the the reference design found performed quite well under games that Thunder II was playing and yeah that was a phone that you know for all intents and purposes shouldn't cost a whole lot of money which i think is great but yeah just some quick thoughts on all of that so look forward to some mid Ranger's that actually have the capabilities that you can enjoy the phone without needing to feel that phone Envy I can't even begin to tell you how many people I know have Alcatel phones and then they see like I wish I could get the Samsung but you know I'm on Cricut like you know it doesn't make sense for me to have an s10 plus on Cricut I mean come on now Cricut is force or cost efficiency and then if you're going to get like a cheap phone plan you know you're gonna spend the rest of the money on a thousand dollar phone that's gonna go away in a year and a half like it's it's you know it's it's figuring out where your needs truly lie yeah all right so well that in mind we're going to get into our first break before we talk about the LG G eight think you okay so I do have a mid roll here for us shouts out to Brandon sending me the script for our mid-roll ad for today all right folks this episode of the PocketNow weekly is brought to you by the brave browser available for all major platforms including ios and android brave is a browser that rewards you for just using it while it blocks all trackers and as for a truly private browsing experience that is up to eight times faster than Chrome and Safari since it's based on chromium all of your chrome stuff still works with brave right out of the box now I did do a video on pocket now about the brave browser and I've been using brave ever since it's like a week or two before that and then ever since then I will admit that I don't use the brave browser quite as much on a mobile platform because after all everything works in apps but on my desktop on the very laptop that I'm using for this podcast brave is what I'm using and one of my favorite parts about brave at the moment is that whenever I open up a new tab it's telling me how many ads and trackers it has blocked and as far as ads are concerns I'm almost at the 100,000 mark it's a lot of that so brave is actually really working hard to make sure that it you're not getting inundated with all of the crap that might be out on the internet so it's built into the browser and you can try it out and all of your chrome stuff will work with brave for more info head to pocketnow.com slash brave all right I have a recurring segment that I wanted to start bringing and I started out with I started out I started out with Thunder e with E like okay eat one of days we're gonna talk about how you you expect me to say thunder every single time but and abang yeah but he refers he prefers thunder a that's his online persona I suppose mr. na I asked him when he was on the when he was on the cast I came up with a recurring segment called what is in your pocket now and in his case he was wearing his vocals by North's glasses which we all got to see this past weekend those things were pretty cool but I was gonna go ahead and ask you I may now answer the question as well you could pick anything it could be the phone we're about to talk about it could be a different phone that you like using it could even be like a notebook that's in my pocket I am one of those people but yeah what is in your pocket now yeah I have a notebook I always have a notebook in my pocket what is in my pocket now okay Oh 30 pro P 30 Pro and this which I've been really a meaning to test the view 23 I'm really curious oh yeah the machine ovarian I'm really curious over the differences in camera technology from some of their companies if we should call them that way and serve and playing around on both and I got I'm p30 Pro man I I don't think this is a this is a tank of the phone like if you compare it to the may 20 Pro this is a hefty device mm-hmm FD the wise it is I finally got to hold one thank God and how's your red doing yeah the red III booted it up I've put in a sim but I am going to take it out with me this weekend to do a real-world camera test I don't know where I'm gonna go yet but I have a feeling that the best place for me to go would be an observatory of sorts to test out that very far zoom so I feel like that would be the Griffith Observatory would be good that one will be good and there's also the US bank building or they have that they really marketed that slide but is actually one of the most boring things you could ride in any case yeah I was thinking of doing something like that so oh and also gratitude to you for finding a way to hook it up for that P 30 Pro thank you for that I'm gonna make sure it's uh no are you kidding do a lot with that over the next few days as far as what is insane hmm I don't miss that read I like this thank you you wouldn't you and II were like giving me crap for for not liking the red one it looks like a big piece of salmon in your hand oh we can swap if you want I mean I'm I'm cool either way I'm cool out of the way to be honest it's just that like I just thought it was funny how everybody was was getting jazzed about the red one and I was like I'm not I remember I want to see that anyway as far as what is in my pocket now I I wanted to highlight one quick thing okay so everyone talked about the s-pen and how it was a trigger for a camera and this is something that I that that no one really talks about I actually picked up a trigger a universal trigger this is by Joby the game of the same guys who make the gorilla pod I think I actually think this is an underrated piece of tech because if you are going to be like a solo like Instagram or anything like that or even then if you just want to be able to take pictures any which way anywhere at Ruger is actually really useful and it's super low-power you just have to turn it on pair it to your phone and then all the sudden you have a remote trigger I think that people forget that these exist so as much as we love the s-pen for having that functionality in there this is all over Amazon and only four bucks I have a tile in my keys now there you go a jump drive a sim ejector and the keys I need to go oh and as far as I keep the car keys separately okay if anyone was curious this purple pot this purple portion right here that's my key fob to get into Anytime Fitness so there you go finally went to the gym for the first time last night in forever oh my god it's probably the one good thing I did yesterday for myself that way last time I finished that g8 review so late last night but I I was planning to go to the gym today and I'm just I'm tired yeah I don't blame you at all I've been tired since we got back now you just mentioned the LGG a thank you and let's go ahead and get started with it I have that okay let me get this off the puffs I'll get on the case so Silver Edition on my end black edition on mine because there's the locked mmm so this is a Verizon one and yeah gratefully the Verizon version still works with my google fight card and with any card really like it it's pretty much Universal but this is the verizon colorway so i've seen a lot of people I've seen a lot of people on YouTube have so many mixed reactions to this phone I personally on JV I did a real world camera test where I've logged this thing out in Napa Valley it was a great time and I think it did a great job honestly the video quality is still there the bitrate is still pretty great the wide-angle could be wider there is a little bit of over sharpening but at times when you need some of that sharpening to compensate for some of the footage it actually helps the audio pickup is great I think I need again to the settings to bring you down a little bit because the audio did come in a little bit hot so those are just some quick thoughts from the video that I made your your review is coming out pretty soon I wondered a life that's wasn't really life on the channel it alive like a 3:30 a.m. or something like that um some hot takes from you real quick before we get into sort of the existential LG talk like what no no no it's actually gonna be all existential LG talks so why don't we start my conclusions okay fair enough so what were what we're did you land on LG as a company based on this phone I started the video with the argument that there's always this phone that comes up with these like crazy things every year and every now and then it's always LG LG is one of those companies that's not afraid to do things that are completely the opposite of what everybody's doing like the wide-angle camera where everybody else was doing either a single camera or telephoto LG was that weird is that weird company that still provides us with a quad DAC for audio so not not all the like a lot of these decisions that the company has brought out are still industry leaders like the wide-angle which is now being thrown on everything the audio jack which is still the best there is no other phone unless it's an lg phone that does audio as well as LG and there are a lot of things that people take for granted that are unique about this phone that are that are special like for example this vibrating display that provides you audio that other people can hear and it also becomes like a sort of a speaker all these things are are great they're unique so a lot of people are like oh yeah the g8 is an iteration of the g7 and I'm like no the g7 was the g7 was more catch me up all right here's a phone and it's finally gonna have the latest processor because if you remember the g6 didn't so I think that the g7 was like that jump into were finally on spot with the processors that was it but then it was the same camera sensors the same user interface nothing about the phone was unique the same LCD yada-yada-yada whereas the g8 brings things that are again what other phone has a quad tech if not LG what other phone has a vibrating display that also emits audio if not LG so there are a lot of unique things about this phone so I'm like alright let's assume that I'm not gonna mention any of the air gestures or any of them I'm like it it records my vein patterns I'm like listen either this technology is so ahead of its time or what I think I personally think that the vein recognition now may not actually be vein recognition I think that just because you're so close to your phone that is what its gonna that is what compelling it but I actually think that these air motion gestures and all whatever you want to call them it's not about the phone I think I said there's one time when we were actually looking at the phones for the first time there's a train a second I do live in a not live my office is in an area that's a little bit like there's a barn not far from here let's go that way beyond the only train that passes by Elle is right next to your office damnit exactly and the only one that would actually like pull the horn is the rest of them are metro trains anyway that was a cargo train that's what I'm trying to say anyway the I think that this is a proof of concept where they're going to add these motion gestures and said things like their TVs right on your couch you bring your hand up and then you go okay go over right right that's and the thing about it is these air gestures are not new the galaxy s4 was the first device to bring them the problem is galaxy s4 was how many years ago it was a while it was before it was before woke Twitter because that that presentation man the biggest problem is not the idea I think that the idea is great the problem is the implementation yeah and so you know so I walked through the review being like you know LG is being as bold as it has been I actually like the photography on this phone I did not like it on the g7 like III did a video on it and and it's just it was okay but I'm like alright LG we need to move away from the g4 like I need we need for you to move away from using small pixel sensors all the small micron sensors and join the crowd of you know and so they don't just they don't do just a good job on on the primary camera like if you use the wide-angle it may be it may be tighter than every other but it's just again this is the fourth generation of ultra wide from LG and so try to look for a distortion on this camera whereas if I if I grab any other phone that matter which one I could grab the galaxy s 10 which is here I grab that I could grab the P 20 P 30 Pro May 20 pros every single one has barrel distortion the g8 has none hmm has 0 like I was like wow either I need to get closer to something like like the galaxy s 10 has the weirdest barrel distortion out of all of them it's just you know because it's it's an addition for me it's like it's great to have not the best from me the best wide-angle right now is the g8 okay yeah I do agree that it is still especially for video it is still the highest-quality one to use it doesn't it's not as jarring as the other ones you're right torsion could be there the thing is the g8 still has a little bit of distortion on the sides but it's so negligible compared to so minimal it is so minimal and the other thing is color reproduction on that wide-angle usually white angles have they're like I believe this is the wide-angle with the brightest aperture at F 1.9 and so I I could be wrong but like dude I took some night shots with this thing usually you would never dare use wide angles unless you're using a May 20 Pro or P 30 Pro because you have the night mode option and that helps you be able to punch in better light in dark scenarios whereas in the and this one does a decent enough job yeah HDR is pretty aggressive levels HDR HDR it's pretty aggressive all that I still feel that this is a very very good camera I was not impressed by the v40 my v40 review was like man you know whereas this again if we are to forget about the gimmicks and just focus on what the phone does right a lot of the things that it does it does right yeah I'm sorry I go for money actually my complaints were different my complaint number one don't take this phone out in direct sunlight oh god the screen so the screen is not bad it's not pixel 3xl bad it's not that bad and and thank you google for giving us the benchmark for the worst screen you would want to use a direct sunlight and so it's because of the existence of the piece of the pixel 3xl that you can forgive the g8 for not being the brightest if you notice your your your screen is always gonna be cranked up at like 80 to 85 percent even if you're in a dark scenario it's gonna be stuck there and then when you exit to sunlight it will boost fully but then it will like it just comes to a point where it's just that so the problem is when you come back from a galaxy s 10 anything is dim AF anything you know and so that was one of my complaints of trying to remember what was my other complaint go for it well while you while you're thinking about that I I was having a conversation with actually this was all about Android again because we were talking about the phone both Flo and I had had our phones so what the LGG eight think you gets right it gets so right and I think that that's what I choose to focus on more than anything which is funny because it's so easy Aztec youtubers or Aztec pundits to just look at the things that it tries to do that's different from everybody else and because they are quote-unquote lackluster or the implementation is not good you end up just feeling kind of mad about the phone in general because what I always notice is that everybody everybody who comes into a review and we're all guilty of this I know I do it as well is that once you come into a phone like this the first thing you do is think well what is my comparison phone to this and a lot of people's right now is either the iPhone or the Galaxy S 10 plus well yes beat either of those phones I don't think so but the thing is so far since I've gotten the phone and I've used in like I said I did use it for a rear old cameras that's a 12 minute vlog where I use this phone the entire day you know what despite some of the quirks that are going on in my main court my main problem with this phone is the UI LG z y LG you gotta update your UI men like you gotta be like everyone used to pooh-pooh emui i am actually giving emui a pass now LG's UI you're too old now like you got and it's not and it's not just that it's tools so there are a couple of problems with the UI that I will I will try to all right so I'm gonna join you in not liking the UI from a visual perspective the only thing that I like about the UI has actually nothing to do with the UI but it's because we haven't I'm a flight camera and this is considered I guess I guess this is an Android feature or I don't know but the only Android phone that was capable of doing the iOS thing where if you unlock the phone with your face it'll it passed the notifications locked until it detects you and then it shows you the notifications business this is perfect for everybody that's dating a Latino girlfriend you will love this feature it is it is the best it is the best and so think about it is okay so that's one of the things that I like the problem is we go back so the UI is dated a lot of the features are like you won't ever use them and then a lot of things are not logical like for example obviously the phone by default comes with the full app tray and sorry without the app tray and you have to enable it but the problem is when you do so you've got the pixel pill but then it's it's like really we like it doesn't work all from all edges in the display when you swipe up you have to literally hit the pill again to swipe and then once you're in the app tray you don't swipe up you have to swipe left or right them right I'm like have you ever noticed that you know have you ever driven a car where you're steering this way and then another one of the gestures is to push a damn steering wheel like can we please have a uniform way of interacting with a damn phone Android figure that out a while ago so why do we have to reinvent the wheel with this operating system yeah I agree there are a lot of things about the g8 that like I think a lot of people would look at it and think that's outdated but I would argue that there are a lot of things in this phone industry that shouldn't be considered that way like one thing coming after the other doesn't necessarily mean that the later thing new is not always better alright so this fingerprint reader I miss the days of having a fingerprint reader like this like I don't think that the in display finger breeders are bad I don't think that they're that much slower but this is not true they're not great they're not amazing this is the most reliable finger parameter I've used in 2019 yet I have to agree with that I have to also agree the face to unlock because of the time of flight sensor which is now us I assume that LG start calling it secure but at least I trust this a lot more than I trust anything else and so I so you've got so many ways to unlock the phone but let's jump into the bar why I don't like this front okay actually sit the same way all right so here's the thing Oh head and headphone jack I just want to be sure that we make that very clear I went to a gym last night with Bluetooth earbuds and I was missing the headphone jack like I'm back to wired wired audio it's great if you haven't done in a while do it again you're gonna enjoy any music you're gonna get lost in the music video that's what you should anyway yeah go for it so the thing about it is all right let's move into these air gestures switch them off the moment you get the phone do not activate them like right now no other phone has it so there's no reason for us to bash LG over giving us an extra that you don't really need and then you could just switch off and so I don't I have no need to bash LG for that I think that it's great for them to add it but and then I got this argument where it was like yeah but the cool thing is if you can't touch your phone because your hands are dirty because you're barbecuing or something which I like to do then you can just interact with the phone I'm like really so try to enable the always-on display and the activation of the notifications to only show up if the phone gets unlocked and notice how the freaking air gestures don't frickin work even if you enabled them like if your degree with off it won't turn on mm-hmm it right now it's active on my phone and it just won't turn on I see and so so that they're they're clashing the different features are classes factly so their own features clash within themselves I think that that feature josh is actually the pickup to wake I think that that's what is deactivating the the hand gestures and so and so I'm like alright are you guys gonna either do it correctly or not like you know mm-hmm just a real quick just got a comment and a live chat LG is never gonna sponsor a pocket now again okay first of all first of all can't wait I can't wait for them to sponsor is the first time well this is the thing there's there's nothing here in our discussion that's telling you never to buy this phone as a matter of fact there are reasons to get this phone it's just that the reasons that they present it are not the reasons that we agree with and it is for the air gestures you just don't and even if it was I mean it's not like if we're I'm sorry it's a review it's not paid advertisement yeah we're gonna provide you with our opinion which is a subjective Josh's experience is gonna be will in my experience it's gonna be another um even if a company would sponsor content they're very clear that review weenie have never a review dome number one and number two we have creative freedom to say what we want or it's just not gonna fly that's just the way it is exactly you know which is which is one of the main reasons why what we sponsor is the weekly and the daily because there is no conflict of interest here exactly and then that would that would be that that is a great perspective come from Jaime in my case like if no one into this by now I'd never say that I truly dislike something I just there's no reason to like that's what I'm trying to that's what I'm trying to get across with this is that even if there are things about this that I understand people will dislike it doesn't change the fact that I'm actually I am enjoying myself on this phone there is still a way to enjoy yourself on this phone and then that's valid with any okay so but I will be honest with you um I you know in my conclusions from the review I was like okay this forget about the air gestures get Nova Launcher and you're gonna really like this phone the problem is that it's no better than anything else out there yeah and as a comparison comes in that's why I'm saying yeah that's that's where it's like okay if I have to put my money down would I go for a Galaxy S 10 that has triple cameras or even a Galaxy S 10 II that's easier to handle I'm not gonna lie I stopped I was really happy to not use the g8 anymore okay I was really happy to be done with the review and move on and it has nothing to do with the camera or anything else but they use your interface like I'm sorry but companies really if you can do something better than stock Android put it out there oxygen OS one UI is actually really good in my opinion Oh what I can't believe I'm saying this but I enjoy using me UI more than god I hate what the way it is now they've updated it quite a bit oh no it's it's see this is the beauty of reviews they're subjective matter we can't none of them none of us has the right answer because when you go to China you get to understand why a product like a new UI exists whereas if you want to cater to the US audience or to any other audience it's very difficult because our priorities and our mentality is completely different like it's funny when you walk into countries like you know when you walk into Taiwan and you realize how much cartoons are intrinsic to their culture and why cartoony user interfaces make sense to them where ID o cutesy things whereas we hate them and so I mean you see me UI and it's cutesy and I don't like it because I'm used to more I'm used to Boulder print and everything but go to Taiwan and enzyme and you'll understand why this is so popular over there it's so you know you can't bash products for their approach because those products are selling a lot more over there than they are over here absolutely oh I always got into I almost got into a bit of a tiff with with shout out to David Redick there was this whole idea during this dinner that we were at that LG is gonna go by way of HTC because of this phone and I was like are you kidding me no because there's one fundamental difference between LG and HTC it's that in their home countries LG is still King and HTC is the problem with HTC phones is that even they wouldn't sell in Taiwan anymore when you already had all these other phones H do you think are buried under the the onslaught of Chinese phones that overshadowed them in Taiwan LG on the other hand it's LG Samsung in Korea they both are King and they both have such a big market share in Asia that's not gonna be a problem I don't think it's gonna be and it's not just that I mean like LG is like Sony there there's their display business their televisions for the longest time I would refuse to buy anything that was not LG their display quality is flat-out the best that to the point where Apple has been using LG this place like if if LG would close down their divisions they would survive solely on the amount of this place that they sell to Apple they'd be a profitable business and they are the fact that they're still selling phones is just like Sony they want a piece of the pie they want for them you know when you do when you study business smart businesses are always uh you have to understand that there are always products that will be a necessary evil if you like I'll give you the perfect example is Amazon you think Amazon makes money out of shipping products to you and Amazon Prime and charging you three bucks for shipping no but for Amazon you think Google makes money out of Google Maps no now why are these companies in the business of products that don't make money for them is because now Google is a verb is because now Amazon controls the retail space up to the point where they're able to have their own brick-and-mortar stores but honestly where they make money out of this AWS and none of you watching the show right now is a customer to AWS that's where they make their money yeah so it's literally just top of mind I would rather spend money on giving inexpensive products that are high quality than to pay for a billboard ad in the Wall Street Journal that for me would be the smartest marketing at some point I was consulting to an airline and years ago and you know so I was telling them I would rather we drop the price on these products than for us to pay for billboard ads where you can't control how much is being consumed out of that ad whereas I can totally know how many plane tickets I sold from point A to point B to measure the effectiveness of the of the campaign and so this is what LG is doing LG's not selling cheap phones but they're in absolutely every market from speakers of shoot I have a LG speaker right here which is really good wow that thing looks gnarly fantastic man like I have you know I have LG speakers I've had LG TVs which are where they're making money my god did you see their projector technology at CES they've got this projector which is literally the size of oh my god the EGP you like it's literally this size and it projects up so you can literally place this on the wall have it project up and so it removes the need for a projector behind you hmm and it is gorgeous it is fantastic and so you real like look at LG's ultra wide monitors man and they're gaming monitors you know they are crazy good so you know there you go there you go so honestly LG they don't care they they're in every single business they know that they will make money here they know that they won't make money here oh they're battery business they're battery division yeah I would my main point with whether Roddick again shouts out to David the is that if LG scales bag phone production in the US I can see that happening that's fine but to say that LG's gonna go away because of this I don't know of course not like their even their mobile division the mobile division not even gonna go away not definitely not to the level of HTC in wait a second is it just me or does LG have their own carrier in Korea I thought that what they help with the LTE a right isn't that what that there's not yeah that's a good question and so listen LG is so deep into the business know and and their best so their best R&D think about this Josh because we're talking about this air gestures and what they're doing with the time-of-flight sensor their best R&D is what enables other products that they sell so literally it's like if they're using their phones as R&D to sell this stuff to Apple to sell this stuff to Google how many pixels were made by LG again you know how many it's it's it's not that simple it doesn't work that way yeah alright so last couple of hot ticks before we before we call it on this episode there are a lot of people in and our live chat agrees with you there's a lot of talk about TVs and LCDs and all LEDs and monitors and whatnot everyone has a good point in that regard do you remember that sorry random thought there was that one LG speaker that we got from them at one point that looked like a milk bottle that was nice yeah they gave us that for I think it was like a CES presentation it looks like an old like 1920s like milk model like the milkman bottles ok so here's here's one comment that I wanted to make sure I put out there's our final way of looking at this t-mobile is selling this at $600 basically like you know I know there's some I know there's some paperwork I know there's some yellow tape on that but at $600 compared to the thousand dollars that you could spend for the competitors does that change the way you feel about like it does is this better than the rest oh yeah for 600 bucks I would totally go for your g8 boom that's that's my number one thought like the one thing LG needs to realize is that if they're not going to meet the rest of the market they need to make sure that they're not over pricing it and on t-mobile I understand that on other carriers and if you get it unlocked it's a different price but for people who are on t-mobile this is kind of a compelling this puts it right up against that one plus 60 and I think that's a fairly worthy comparison yeah yeah and it's not like if you're getting a chump you've got the latest and greatest there are a couple of things that LG doesn't so for me it's odd like for example it's got wireless charging but it doesn't support faster 15 watt so those are like the weird things around like what the hell like seriously what happened here you know but other than that dude I mean I hope that LG continues making phones that they're not gonna stop yeah they're just not you know they're they're I would fix again they really just like they revamp their whole hardware division after the g5 we need another kind of flop like that for their software division to be told guys move on yeah I agree and wasn't there a time when LG like was working super closely with Google like well whatever happened there like we could have gone all right I have no idea and we've got some Android 1 editions of the g7 yeah I have no idea where that ended but I do feel that LG really needs to starts to start taking their software seriously and again it has nothing let's forget about the damn visuals it's about the logic behind the design I mean come on man I mean you can totally tell the difference between a David Fincher movie and any other director just because of its style just because of that approach there are there's so much logic to the psychology of the way software is designed that many companies and it's slick of LG has become completely a if they've like completely ignored the importance of logic in the way the operating system should perform should you know how you navigate it and that's for me that's one of the biggest things they need to work on all right there we go ok I think we did it about an hour show there by the way everyone in the live chat anybody who is watching live right now thank you for sticking with us even after the one hour delay next 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