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the fifth generation Nexus smartphone is coming very soon in fact according to reports from around the internet it's already landed in retail inventory around the globe with sellers waiting only for Google's green light to sell it that's a pretty big deal so we're going to take a break this week from running down the news from all across the mobile space to focus exclusively on the Nexus 5 will be talking about what we expect what we hope for and why we are or are not excited for the new device plus taking your listener mail on episode 06 8 of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week audio podcast from pocket now where we discuss smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in the last few weeks of 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by our number one lion tamer managing editor and Tandy nug from aradia romania hello sir good morning good afternoon good evening everybody and by the busiest man in the world pocket mouse android guy Joe Levi good morning early day in Utah it is early but I don't get a circus reference I'm on my leg guy with the prius right yeah I don't know what do you want you want to be a trapeze artist no stinking clown but you know whatever a resident flaming hula hoop is spinning champion no welcome i did for Joey Tony when I was scheduling the podcast yesterday Joe is telling me all about his day and I keep forgetting how much how much work it is to have a family on Halloween happy Halloween and gentlemen Oh taking all happy halloween to you guys thank you I know Tony took Verdun mean crap to you really bright exactly I've just posted a rent to my personal facebook account is that what that was it was all in Romanian oh yeah yeah it was you are not among the audience for that post it was about losing your identity as a nation and feeling the need to import something which means nothing to you and making it your own oh why do people celebrate hello like oh yeah it's like it's like the biggest thing around here and Valentine's Days like it was like it's our thing really that's why I'm so pissed oh man well I understand see I'm I do not really get amped on Halloween anymore but i also don't have children i do dress up for parties and stuff i do like dressing up in Mike we are carding out the Starfleet uniform everyone snow every once a year I was about to ask about the starbuck team yeah well actually no i'm doing i'm actually doing iron man tomorrow night i think i'm doing come on dude you're not gonna as encounter at Farpoint deanna troi with it with this was sort of frilly hair in the scant no not to see Michael D had the entrance suit I don't have the Iron Man suit but I have the Tony Stark the heart module you know the the the art collector just not sure to be a suit and tie or yeah yeah with I'm gonna shave my beard into the Tony Stark beard as well what about the audio that oh well I gotta go steal one of those but thankfully the Red Sox won last night so I think they're like seven or eight Audi's flipped over out on the streets okay I can't has become more important oh that's right oh you should be wearing your cap with with a lot of pride now okay that's what all do are you gonna donít good well it's not a video podcast nobody will know but I know we all we all take pride but we all have the picture in our mind exactly Joe is having the the most busy day of us although because when you have kids on Halloween it's just nuts do I was up way past their bedtime hollowed-out gourds and lighten them up Oh criminy having to six-year-olds of an hour past their bedtime that's just insanity that is nuts and I do feel for you I hope the rest of the day goes well for you fortunately the silver lining is we have a new device that's right up your alley and it's this this nexus 5 now we whoa a nexus 5 i'm like 'i on the for yah yah something new and like not quite not quite a seven and then amazing survive in we a little tip for those of you who don't know listeners we record this podcast early in the morning generally and early I mean it's early for Joe it's not early for Tony everything before noon is early for me so we record this podcast in the morning and we use it we use a rundown from the night previous so our news is is dated that we're talking about yesterday stuff actually exactly but we are I do want to augment that with a few with a few bits from the Twitter scape so I saw a huh a user I tried to email myself one of these tweets by the way and normally that works and then it actually didn't this time which is very annoying but there's a user I follow called nitro z1 and he follows me and I follow him and it's all very lovely and apparently he has found himself next to a carphone warehouse over in the UK where they have received stock of Nexus 5 stuff so we have this this wonderful feed i will see if i can once i get Joe to talk here in a second or Tony i will see if i can find his username again because i'm really annoyed that we didn't work but the point is that some stores do have stock have you guys seen any other reports from around the internet where there's kind of popping up all over the place where people are taking selfies with Nexus 5's union locations that are obviously back room not today that you haven't seen it really not today yeah you've seen that the pallets and pallets that have the big empty core and you wonder why they didn't throw some swag or extra phones in the middle right yeah it's the username I'm talking about is is night Rosie but the handle is n1 TR 0 Z is what I'm looking at and 10 it's like night rose yeah yeah exactly leet so this is cool i love i love the story like he kind of like he was like there's a tweet from hours ago Razak i think i'm gonna go to carphone warehouse just see if they have any and then since then there's been like every sleet around their loading dock apparently I'm using air quotes here inadvertently flirted with with a carphone warehouse retail associate and she took a phone out and showed him so what we're getting is a lot of confirmations of what we expected doesn't that all it takes any more wet you just show a little bit of leg carphone warehouse you got to do you just got to be nice to people Joe Levi you know this you're the nicest man on the team I think what what do you think Tony do you think I'm wrong on that I do agree with you that you are not wrong out of thank you guys on the team who owns guns oh yeah I know true look at that look at that who was it that said speak softly and carry a big stick there you go we're seeing so night Rosie is really excited here insta buying the nexus 5 he says Google killed it plain and simple as far as you can tell they're not stereo speakers just a single grill on the bottom the phone doesn't feel all that big either just feels like it's a nexus 4 shell with squared-off edges it's good to hear a lot of good stuff there so I feel like that's a nice on ramp into our rumor roundup which so yeah let me just comment on that then we'll be legal thing yeah um I saw a teaser on spy jeans I think that's how you pronounce that their Google+ page a while back teasing their quote unquote ultrafit case and I went ahead and kept an eye out for it and found it on amazon a little bit later and bought it so i actually have a screen protector and a case in my hand for the nexus 5 that for all we know doesn't exist Rhea and by the way Michael when when Joe mentioned this to me my first question pop into my mind what was it like are you getting a nexus 5 no I just get cases for stuff exactly like my iphone Oh naturally yeah a little fit but yeah so i'm holding the empty shell and I'm holding the nexus 4 and they feel the same in hand you know obviously I can see that they're different but it doesn't feel like there's any added bulk but man the nexus 5 what's really light I know phone you're making me yeah there's no phone in it you're making me you're making me feel like I you're making me a little sad I'm gonna be honest with you because and I Tony can tell me a few months Ben take this out later but I don't think you will we were going to have something cool earlier this week we had a we're supposed to be able to say their name but I don't want to say their name so we had an accessory maker approached us with some some photos of a nexus 5 am i right but they never materialized yep so we were actually really jazzed it was like oh great we're gonna have some photos of the nexus 5 done up in this really cool skin or case whatever it was and locally let's bring on the news nexus5 cancelled yeah so yeah exactly then Google recalled all the inventory and burned it they're not inventory they're empty boxes floating on barges with google glass accessories so it's just it broke my heart a little bit that that we weren't able to get those those shots but we are all going to see this thing pretty quickly we have our roundup I want to talk a little bit about this we did the rumor roundup that Stephen shank put together assembling all the facts we know about the nexus 5 guys was published on october fourteenth that's a long time ago and it's because this has been and I feel like I've been saying this for a lot of devices and i feel like i've said that I've given that qualifier before saying that we've heard this about a lot of devices a lot this year because leaks have been crazy but the nexus 5 takes it to an entirely different level because this is a phone that's been leaked extensively and has had what 56 like tentative review release dates and rumored rumored related that's exactly right it's not I'm not saying that this is a google thing I'm saying that this is a Oh what it is but as well but but but yeah but it's google playing on the very very excited soviet so we take all the stuff that we've got through our normal channels and there's been a little bit more than normal and if my memory serves but then you also add into that the the combined co-branding with nestle which we really haven't seen before and has been really fun and I've gotten more Kit Kats in the last couple of weeks than I haven't gone okay really I have an eigenvalue every of stuff in the Play Store my neighbors are you gonna save like a bunch of good kid cats like mint in like a non humid refrigerated in the humid order yeah but it was safe but the other thing that we've had that's been kind of unusual is we've had all these quote-unquote official google events yeah and we've been so excited hey this is it it's coming it's a riot and then the event is what we're releasing like album aren't on Twitter and that's it yeah what's so combine all that and they're really I think they're just looking at us and enjoying all the hype that we're generating for them and for this product because we are their advertising they don't have to pay for anything they just sit back with you know cup of hot chocolate and break off a kit kat bar and enjoy so I have talked to Taylor actually I talked to everybody on the team about this but Taylor said an interesting thing that somewhere in the lines that Google is is probably the biggest role these days yeah and i would i would rephrase i would say that this is pathetic i mean if you are who obey or why not even even nakia a third or probably the last from the top ones and you need the attention and you're desperate for it yes you can do it but your any leading position and you are doing this it's kind of pathetic I mean get back to your corner and just release the phone already I thought it was brilliant and fun and fattening yes I was going to say this isn't gonna be any good for our waste lines no I just had during that intermission I just had a I message message come in from somebody who I don't know which is why i hate I message and Taylor Martin is also bugging me about something else so Taylor stop it we're podcasting it's very important you know I think you sure isn't ringing Tony yeah and he's going to hear this in like three hours when it publishes he never listens when he's not on the air just like you do this with you know so it's yeah the crap out of everything I was talking to Tony oh um here's here's my question though like yes we're getting very amped on this nexus 5 as a is a media as the media as a whole users android fans but I guys why I I've been hitting myself up the upside the head with this question what why is this so exciting is it because and I would like Tony to answer this first because I want to hear from the non android guy first like because for me it's taken me a while to arrive at this answer like why am I not excited about the Nexus 5 and in general I mean and we're going to talk about that a little bit later as it relates to another device but for me it's because I really have the moto x I'm getting an experience on the Moto X that I really really like and it's as far as I can tell superior for my needs so that's my stock Android thing Tony are you excited about the nexus 5 personally why or why not no I am NOT but I have not been excited about any Nexus device ever because i am not a pure Android aficionado and I do with all the respect to every Nexus fan out there everybody's got their own choices I would very much prefer even TouchWiz or since five opposed to the pure Android experience and to answer your question I think that there's a lot of buzz not necessarily because it is a nexus because we know that Nexus devices are just a small small small part of the entire Android the user base I think it's more because we are hoping and we are likely to see a high-end android phone at a very affordable price and I think that that's the main reason why we have the buzz i think you're right i think price is a major major factor and the Moto X has certainly like the iphone 5c has not been the affordable device it was at one point rumored to be and I don't think it's ever needed to be but Joe you're obviously your answer to this is obviously yes but tell us why specifically you are really amped on the Nexus 5 why are you buying cases for this phone that you don't have yet you're so just because I don't have a moto x what you do have a nexus 4 I do i do and and that's something that I try and do on when I buy my daily drivers I try and buy my daily drivers it's not something that is a corporate thing most of the time yeah I'll have to go several weeks through the year have to it's so hard what we do using the latest and greatest phone from whatever you know and do a review on it so tough but my daily drivers one that I personally invest in and I do that basically so that I still maintain my editorial integrity I put my own personal money behind my choices and the nexus 4 is doing everything i need it to what i like it a moto x sure you bet is it worth buying it when the Nexus 5 is coming out in possibly hours or maybe already by the time the podcast hits the air and I didn't think so so I've just kind of held off I really think it's really cool what they're doing with it and ind everyone out there who has it and I'm not going to look down my nose at you she's got a Moto X and bless your name is Michael Fisher but you know that's for other reasons something it's the moto air naturally ya know those are Star Trek differences but so so you're making a good a good point Joe I mean like not everybody's got the has got the Moto X not everybody wants the Moto X and the Nexus line has come to represent not what it once stood for which was showcasing the very best of Android what could what you can do with it but now it's become this sort of half consumer eyes thing that isn't and is now very very affordable as Tony rightly points out I mean if this thing sells that's one thing that we're seeing a bunch of leaks on but nothing confirmed yet through the same 349 price point would be stunningly weird but let's talk about the hardware that we're actually getting excited for this panel this display is the same panel as on the g2 right is that what we're wrecking ok so and as as much as I really didn't like the g2 as a whole mostly on software yeah I know I really like the display though the display is absolutely gorgeous on that phone and so that's that's exciting you can't necessarily you know I'm generally an AMOLED guy and you really can't yeah about the one on the on the g2 that respect whatcha I was just yeah you know AMOLED has really really cool advantages but you know different technologies have different features and yeah I'm kind of wishing that it adds some moto x e screen goodness on it but hey like you said that the g2 screen is nothing short of gorgeous so I don't think I'm gonna be disappointed yes there's no need to be sad about that no real since we're talking about specs and I would just want to make a bridge between what we talked about earlier price and specs now what will the nexus 5 in is currently rumored specs form do that the LG g2 or the Xperia z1 does not nothing it has the same specs thing is it's half the price is right and that makes the point those specs that we're talking about we're talking about a Snapdragon 800 right at we don't know the clock speed but they usually run around 2.3 gigahertz right that's as fast as they can run it yeah okay wait is that as fast is that their top like there that's not their upper limit I mean people can people get overclock I'm gift that dude who just wrote an article a pocket now about the Snapdragon 800 knew what he was talking about then that's that's the ceiling there are rumors that there's going to be a refresh of the 800 whether that's going to be the 900 the 1000 the 801 we don't know we're just now seeing the 800 land on Hardware looking over though I know but this is that's why it's a refresh and it could potentially push that clock speed out to 2.5 so nice hugely but here's a question and not necessarily for Michael because I know he would never do that there's something like this but for you Joe well I understood that we were overclocking our single core processors our dual core processors but why on earth would somebody overclock a Snapdragon 800 at 2.2 meters they're not why would they overclock it faster than that yeah we all want more speed because they can you know these guys be differences is just is just not perceivable among that speed above that speed yeah you know you hit a certain ceiling and you're not gonna notice anything in day-to-day activities in fact what I do with my phones typically I'm underclocking them I'm running them slower than they're designed and I can understand to save on battery life right yeah yeah yeah it extends the battery life out I don't notice a difference so this from what the rumor mill is churning is not going to be an oem who is overclocking what the 800 is designed to do the rumors are that it's going to be a refresh actually from Qualcomm that is designed for some other product whether that's a higher-end tablet or whatnot that just ups the speed and maybe gives it a few other bells and whistles along the way so not a huge improvement as far as what everybody's thinking but you know it's just a step up in speed a little bit and I can see the difference you know between a smartphone and a tablet perhaps or a smartphone and a notebook for example whether or not it's true I don't know but come on guys two point three gigahertz quad-core that's that's more power than we know what to do with absolutely and I mean that's the kind of power where you instinctively say why do I need to even worry about this anymore this is more power than then you will ever need in the palm of your hand with today's software but generally you're not only that it's only you also future brutha well that's true but generally when we're talking about Android devices that sell in the in the millions and millions we're talking about heavily skin to touch wiz devices and in that case you know this is simplistic thinking and I'm sure it's more than halfway wrong but I got at a I gotta say whenever i'm running a device that's running a skin as heavy as TouchWiz i do want the best specs i can possibly get you because i know it's gonna just slap down yeah Joe's gonna have an obese on that and I don't want to spoil the entire thing but one observation which I had is that it's that often the problem is not put android and it's not even with specs the problem is because of crappy software optimization yeah it's the third part of you I that's not being optimized properly I'm so he's gonna stay off topic it was just like you guys are quoting from my article it's all good well that is when I will look out for them because I mix I'm always excited for Joe's articles but those are gonna be cool well it's usually because I put your picture and I'm just exactly right it's usually it's only the shoutouts that I that I i I'd pick my own quotes but in Joe's article so with the rest of the nexus 5 kind of physical existence we're looking at my favorite presenta but I want to guess of my favorite feature on this thing the optimal the obstacles the oh I escape that that didn't even take a second thank you Tony and it's got to be your favorite feature too I mean I know you had one mind on this right yeah yeah optical image stabilization as it was implemented on the Lumia 1020 was great in my experience and I loved it but it wasn't until I got my hands on the g2 which I otherwise wouldn't wouldn't carry personally that I realized just how smooth Oh is can make a camera experience oh man I mean you're just walking around even with the viewfinder active you're not shooting anything you're just getting ready to take a shot and just youyou kind of prefer to view the world through the phone through the phone because it's it's smoother it's not it's more stable than you are yeah way more stable time because I shake all time and drink coffee all day so you know it's just amazing and if they port that technology to the same technology to the nexus 5 or if they have already if it's sitting in boxes waiting to go with that same technology I kind of don't care what the sensor size is because we're talking about an 8 megapixel unit instead of a 13 Megan sensor which and I have a piece coming out today I think that talks about why megapixels are not as important these days but of course everybody has said that but the new buzzword that actually delivers on its promise is 0 is optical image stabilization is one of the best things to come to smartphone cameras in history I think and so to have it on this device even if it is an 8 megapixel sensor versus a 13 megapixel one it's it's great and there are also disadvantages to going up to 13 as well because I think you you have some light collection problems the more den to go isn't that right it could be I couldn't say for sure but now that you're talking about the camera I'm looking at the leaked photos and I realized what my problem is with this nexus 5 that big ass Kim repre dr. lense you don't need amra no camera is obviously much smaller like half of that why the need for such a protective lens on top of it oh you know the answer to that it like dude look at my camera or exactly yeah yeah I 10-20 look at this right so you got Lumia you got an okay out there with the Lumia 1020 and that big Oreo on the back you gotta compete with that somehow in a in a visual marketing standpoint you know like when you see the glass and in the right in the middle of it that that small small camera sensor which is actually the lens it's kind of think you want to laugh the police I do do you guys remember the original fan renders that we got based on the the leaked video stills and whatnot where we kind of knew the layout already we knew where the LED was we knew where the camera lens was and whoever put that render together made like this big honkin fisheye lens going over the top whole area oh no I don't see that I was excited for that but now looking at it it's just like you know they need to like make arrows pointing to the little camera sensor in there or maybe I don't know paint a target on it Hey look at me I'm the camera and I'm right here you know what I want I want to hazard I want hazard striping around my camera lens yeah black and yellow stripes this is great yeah so I'm still looking at you've you've put me in mind of different hardware elements on this phone and the OAS I'm very excited about of course but also i'm really a fanboy on notification lights and guys refresh my memory the nexus 4 does have one down low is that right I don't have one but Joe's got one another's got you doing the nexus 4 oh yeah hey I bought its downs about it so it seems about as the nexus said the new Nexus 7's blinky light right down in the home button position relatively yes yeah if there were a home button there soon well apparently they've carried that forward to this one here and getting to the most the most granular of details nitros night Rosie reports that that is a very bright light on this unit wait a second wasn't a rumor that there will be no notification light and instead android for that for will bring those Moto X like screen on notification thingies I'm sure that's a true Maria I'm sure active notifications will be present in some form actually I'm not sure about that I assume that but I also still like the idea of a notification yeah absolutely don't get me wrong it should get must on every phone i was just it's just conflicting rumors yeah reports and they are conflicting a bit because the active notifications yeah i mean they they obviate the need for a for a notification specially on an AMOLED screen yes well I gotta I gotta disagree with that an AMOLED screen and active notifications are a great combination active notifications on anything but an AMOLED screen you're gonna run into some some battery impacto applications Wow doing it to a degree yeah but Sir there at your line right did their active notification is that they're smart so the phone is yeah ideally if the the software is leveraging the hardware properly the phone knows when a tenant pocket doesn't turn on the screen it only you know activates the screen yeah but strictly on paper on lcds they illuminate the entire screen on amyloids they only light up no I I get that right but it's only lighting up when it should true if it's implemented properly so it's but the same time hold on guys what does the the Snapdragon 800 has a discrete subprocessor for to do some of that contextual stuff doesn't it like it has some of those capabilities right not that I'm aware of not in the same sense that we have seen in the Moto X and in an Apple's latest product yeah I'm 7 but i can't imagine that you're not going to have something in there that that's functionally equivalent even if it's not you know exactly the same thing so we're gonna see a lot of that especially in the high-end chips like the 800 but no it's not gonna have the same advantage that the the Moto's have so it will basically wake up the entire processor to notify you and then put it to sleep back remember it's it's got various states inside the processor so it's gonna wake up in a very very low but low speed if you will in an almost an ambient state but yes it's it's the processor it's not yeah a dedicated ambient processor like we have in the end it that's my term guys I'm the one who coined it as far as I know so we use the crap out of it I'm seeing the guys it's at SlashGear were reporting on this back in April or May and they're saying in a piece that Qualcomm actually did build the same ability the same effective ability into the Snapdragon 800 as in the the custom core on the Moto X in the drawer I'm not questioning their report but I think that if it would be true then we would have heard about this as a market and catch for a long time and all these never going to end the processor power phones I'm mentioning here the z1 and the g2 would at one point have offered this well you know what it it's true but there are other features within the Snapdragon 800 that that have that are not taken advantage of by every piece of hardware like that the quick charging that the Lumia 2520 has that's it should be on yeah well that's a first but like you have to build hardware that takes it that leverages it because it requires other stuff so you know I think that I see the 800s this kind of like a never-ending bag of secret tricks you know where it's like oh yeah well we forgot about that feature when Qualcomm announced it back when they rolled out the 800 but this new piece of hardware takes advantage of so and I think the Nexus 5 is just the right device for Google to come out and say like oh hey yeah so this is an x5 and it does this really cool thing that you've only seen here before you know yeah and one other thing to keep in mind is we have a we're trying to make a clean separation a distinction between hardware and software you saying we can't do one without the other which to a certain extent is true but once we start looking at look at this really really cool processor let's now look at software that may not exist today that can do stuff with that hardware you know inside that processor that we didn't think about before now the manufacturer of the processor didn't even imagine that use or that functionality but hey it can do it because it has the capability of being an ultra-low mode it knows whether it's in a pocket or not even though it doesn't have that dedicated chip the software can be smart enough to have it emulate that or something along those lines so software taking advantage of these really high-end processors really is an untapped thing going off into the future and it always has been and that's yet another reason and I didn't mention this by name but why you want to get the latest and greatest that you can whenever you're going to get something whether it's a desktop for whether it's this one phone or tablet it's gonna comb and power management we were talking about is a big concern for devices like this and I kind of want to use this to wrap up the hardware before we go into KitKat the battery was rumored we had a lot of rumors friend the battery on the sucker of variable capacities depending on model you bought but it looks like well that is settled down right we're looking at what Tony at 2,300 milliamp hour cell yeah and the three thousand something which was also rumored with the 32 gig model right yeah it looks like that's completely in the dumpster now right oh and by the way it should be instead of eight and 16 16 and 32 gigabyte options well but still without the SD that makes me so much more say it makes more yeah then rather than 8 and 16 yes yeah why on earth can she put a microSD card on it hey you know I just think philosophically that's not where if they want to be you know in it's funny because we do have variances in this like I would never I never thought I would see the day when HTC would reincorporate micro SD cards and they've done so with the one max and the loom nokia i keep calling nokia lumia nokia has done so with the lumia 1520 as well you've got a micro SD card in there never would have thought i would see that so it's interesting that some manufacturers are kind of backtracking in response presumably in response to consumer demand and others are like no no this is not that is on our philosophy if you want more storage here take 50 free gigs of Google Drive and run with it you know and it looks like obviously we know which which boat Google's in here yeah so the boat that I'm in there yes I want an SD slot everybody knows that I know why Google's doing what they're doing um if I were working for them I'd probably agree I'm not so I don't necessarily but please please for the love that is all that's good and decent just give me USB on-the-go so i can plug in something to the bottom you don't have to mess up your phone or dirty up your phone but let me throw a freaking thumb drive on it so i can take my movies with me wait hold on USB on-the-go refresh refresh the minds of the listeners because i'm not sure that all of them remember what that is and that's right for i don't know what you're talking about you all right so USB OTG to put it in acronyms that sound like Star Trek for you yeah it essentially lets you plug in a little dongle into your USB port on the bottom of your your device your tablet your phone whatever what an attic or yeah and it exposes a real dedicated USB port that you can plug in compatible devices so you could plug in a mouse you could plug in a keyboard you could plug in a thumb drive you could plug in a hard drive but that support is is it's required that the support is in the hardware on the smartphone or in the software or bucks yeah the software did yeah mostly it's its software and that's the part and not to disagree with Tony entirely on this but we've seen on the ghost support in other Android devices and then we've seen that quote unquote patched out of it with updates so we had it and then right when people are saying hey cool look you can do this and then we get an update and I can't sorry goodbye you're done and that tip pisses me off don't give us stuff and then patch it out now I'm giving us more features with updates not let it be as securities worry I mean it's got to be something because android does not need a bloody nose right now as far as you know security goes they want those those enterprise customers you know they we have samsung building an entirely different suite of stuff under Knox to like you know pursue those enterprise customers knocks on wood oh he's finally gotten American puns I agree oh yeah oh yeah Oh Tony's way ahead of the game on those these comes out with new ones sometimes and I'm like oh wait wait wait right let me write it down I'm gonna bring that over to the states and I'm gonna pain that never works i'm gonna try and get everybody into that doesn't happen i'll ever see he gets wrong I know apparently I can't roll my r's like hi may i can't i can't pronounce like you Tony before we move into KitKat we have two more things Tony has something to say I did jump the gun on that a little bit we have to talk a little bit about a cdma Nexus 5 and we've talked about one of the packaging guys would the last time we had a cdma Nexus product do you remember what it was yeah yellow sea Nexus yeah I had that thing and when I broke that thing on the boat I remember announcing it on the podcast it was like it was like episode 10 of the podcast or some was like guys I broke my galaxy nexus on the boat because I shattered the screen when I sat on it or something and I was sad because I really really liked a Galaxy Nexus put on the same token I was excited that I would never have to write another editorial about how they Verizon Galaxy Nexus was not a real Nexus device amen oh man beak down to the accessories it wasn't a real Nexus just ah so the problem there depending on who you listened to could have come from a variety of sources but I think the most commonly accepted one and I remember reading somewhere that this was wrong so I don't know but that the the cdma binaries are locked down by this kind of proprietary of system because cdma is a Qualcomm property and there's there's all these these keys that are required for that network to to operate for devices to operate on the network and they Institute they introduced another layer of difficulty into the software upgrade process which is why you had people with the Galaxy Nexus on verizon wireless ostensibly it's a Nexus device they should be getting updates right away waiting months for the latest version of Android yeah they're still on honeycomb are they yeah I mean that's what it felt like carrying the Galaxy Nexus LTE so when the nexus 4 came out we didn't see support for for CDMA networks and I think everyone kind of assigned that the reasoning for that to the whole disaster that unveiled on folder with the guys and axis we also didn't see support for LTE it's all right which was a very frustrating and as you go ahead and buy the nexus 4 of among other reasons but I have it yeah you know but but sprint is rumored now in these rumors are I think very credible right this is from efflux reporting that the sprint Nexus 5 does exist which means that a nexus 5 only not only with LTE obviously but with cdma support exists so my question to you guys is do you think we'll see the same disaster happen this time with nexuses that are waiting on months for updates if flying in the face of the whole Nexus program Tony what do you think no I don't think so i think that they have learned especially that the they have skipped one Nexus device and they had a little bit of time to read all the complaints from from customers and possible future customers which decided not to be customers because of the skip the nexus 4 and with the complaints from the Galaxy Nexus now so bottom line I think they have learned and I think the nexus 5 the cdma version will indeed BTW is your words true Nexus hmm ciao do you agree no of course it's excuse me it's early in the morning here it's nice when an editor can disagree with his editorial director so blatant and on the face oh you agree with me if you want beer disagreeing with your managing editor yeah I don't know what your titles were max s sleep Joe Levi my main boss guy Tony so I agree with where Tony's going um I think Google has learned a lesson I think that they're going to do everything they can to make sure that this is a smooth and and unfair it's a true Nexus experience however sprint and verizon and really that's pretty much the only carriers that we're talking about that are still cdma are notorious for having the most lockdown network and especially when we talk verizon one of the most locked down approval processes for letting anything at all ever touch their networks they're cdma networks verizon finds himself in an interesting situation with their whole LTE 700 megahertz spectrum that they signed a contract with the federal government that apparently they didn't read that said they had to keep it open but that's kind of made them a little bit more open than they would have otherwise like to be in my opinion so there's that part now over to my article that I'm pimping the crap out of today he has teased article in history I know isn't it great I didn't mention this in the article because it really wasn't applicable to that article but it's applicable here the Snapdragon 800 comes in four different individual chipsets the one that we are going to see Wow yeah the one that we are going to see in the in the traditional Nexus 5 here is the 89-74 which has the LTE radio is built into it okay the 8674 has they're cdma radio in it so that's what we're going to be seeing I would assume in the sprint version and presumably if there ever is one in the verizon version as well I'm wondering if they'll just not do verizon because verizon is LTE and they'll just go with a mini tablet you know get the LTE version but who knows man you know what that's a lot of acronyms it's a lot of letters and numbers and yeah yeah I want to talk about candy before we go there though yeah well it's just good I don't worry angry he said before are you gonna Taylor Martin onion that's all right no pastor ed Tony what are your thoughts on on what we haven't covered yet so i wanna i wanna slightly calculate even though i hate numbers and i'm sure you guys also do hate members but just bear with me for a second yeah now as if my memory serves me well the latest numbers reported for sales as far as the nexus 4 was concerned were dated back in May when we heard something along the lines of 3 million so if we extrapolate to today let's say Google and LG soul together a total amount of 56 million devices now if if there is a certain growth like there has been in the best for the Nexus brand it is safe to assume that in a year within the year of the Nexus 5 LG on Google will sell probably around the lines of 10 million devices just for the sake of example okay now refresh my memory guys how much does the g two retail for oh gosh the retail price on that thing has got to be 599 at least in the States okay let's say just just five minutes just five and we are being gentlemen so Google is google is covering about one hundred and fifty dollars out of those costs because basically the Nexus 5 is the G 2 minus the probably slightly smaller sensor on the camera now if you extrapolate that to 10 million devices that's a lot of money so my question to you guys is is Google winning or losing on the Nexus lineup specifically on the Nexus 5 you mean like financially yeah i think that the nexus story for them is the exact same thing as the motorola story for them it's a thing that they're they're perfectly willing to lose money on in terms of the hardware sure and they have where to lose from just like Microsoft can lose money with Nokia and so on but but if you just take the Nexus brand out of the entire googled context do you think it's a profitable thing or do you think that it is an accepted loss just because they want to push the nexus brand forward that that's it that's what I think I really don't think I think they're accepting that and in fact accepting it with glee because they're getting a lot of look at what we're talking about this is entire podcast dedicated to talk about the new Nexus people are so worked up over this thing because the tech media is so worked up over this thing and the Nexus brand continues to be pushed further and further from its roots as a developer centric thing to more of a consumer eyes thing and all that does is boost androids cachet and it's you know war with the other platforms and it also advances the cause of the platform developmentally because you have a whole lot more people out there you do yeah so I think they're totally willing to lose money on this it doesn't because i hate numbers and i'm not particularly good with them i fired up my calculator and in my example losing one hundred and fifty dollars on every unit 410 million units is one and a half billion dollars and that's a lot of money to lose yeah but you know that what do they make their making it back on all the extra all the a bowl ads all services right yeah yeah yep and the ads and everything yes absolutely yeah i think i think in a net sense they're definitely profiting rather extremely from these units by the end of their operational lifetimes mmm ok so my thoughts on it google doesn't want to lose money their business the the whole if you guys didn't know this businesses around to make money that's what they do they're not a charity so yeah deep wisdom from jodi android guy here how about that so are they losing money on the hardware of the nexus for the nexus 5 in the short term possibly so but when you look at it you know like like Michael was was going you've got a whole bunch more to factor into that and that's the the revenue stream that they get from advertising partners and whatnot the entire time that you own an Android so once you factor that in even if you're just factoring that in the life cycle of that individual device I've got to assume that they're at least breaking even and by that I don't mean you know just zero net some there they're making all the money that they need to be profitable enough to show shareholders this is okay you know we're not throwing money down a black hole here they are showing an operating profit that's that may be nominal but it's it's enough to to continue it let them eat behavior there for 10 seconds and what about the LG are they losing money with this or are they getting exactly what they are requiring from google I think LG is getting exactly what they need you know they they're selling their product to them at cost you know it and that cost includes all the overhead and everything they need to keep the lights on and pay the employees so they're making what they need to to be able to sell to them they're there again in it to make money so there even though they're from Korea Koreans like making money two guys okay it seems to be a universal thing but we shouldn't we shouldn't underestimate the the fact that LG also needs this kind of mindshare push to especially in the States I you know I i'm not saying LG is like Sony or Nokia in the States and in terms of like consumer awareness but they're not anywhere near where their competitors are at so they need the you know kind of grafted on legitimacy of being the Nexus private and and more than that more than that let me finish my other thought and I'll come back to this is a dovetail together yeah what we have here is and this is what I think Google's true intent behind the Nexus program is and I could be wrong and if you disagree with me you're welcome to but then you know you're wrong to the Nexus program is all about getting really really good hardware available and out there at an affordable price not just for us the geeks not just for us the end users but to show everyone else to show motorola which i know is google to show HTC to show sony to show samsung you can make really really high-end stuff for lower price and still be profitable still make money and not not have to charge the same Apple like prices just because it's a samsung or just because it's an HTC the good Hardware can be had at lower prices and by doing that we're seeing it with the nexus 7 they're forcing the prices down so that's good for everyone all around now back to the point you were making with with legitimacy LG is a small name in the smartphone industry shirt they've been making consumer electronics for every well in the States there had their small and smartphone they're not smut globally their their relative largest like shipper of stuff yeah right so once we start looking to that I think it has less to do with legitimacy because LG as a name and as a company i think has plenty of legitimacy getting the name out there is a smartphone maker that's what they're working on right now but that's also an entirely different production line production fabrication blah blah blah it's different than make and say a dvd-rom drive which they make as well by the way so when you start looking at that you've got economies of scale to factor in the more products they make that are based off of their g2 which this is pretty similar just like the Nexus 4 was to the previous one whatever if not nasty you've got economies of scale the more stuff they can pump down that production line the less expensive it is per unit for them to run stuff down that production line and that helps not only them make more profit but it also helps keep the cost down so to both of you especially to Michael who talked about the mindshare that LG needs here's a quote quote the Nexus 4 was a great success despite the production problems for us and Google however we do not need such a marketing success again do you know who said this know who said that said LG's Vice President Kim Juan really and that was back in May when there were rumors about LG making the Nexus 5 of course LG gun came a record and they said that it was misinterpreted and the new statement was that what mr. want Kim said is that we are not currently working on the Nexus 5 which is true but that doesn't mean we would turn down the opportunity so this this what this translates to me in as early all she does not need a little anymore well that's of course and i would absolutely say that too if I were you know I mean they don't need it but they're not gonna turn it down and it's gonna help both of them III really think it's it's a mutually beneficial arrangement which is why they've done it now for two generations in a row it you know to to the chagrin of old fogies like me like other other designs but yeah what you know this is stuff that we're going to be able to dissect going forward Joe I think you have a very good good grasp on the business realities of the situation Tony I completely agree that statements from the company are important I just don't never believe them not just from LG from anyone it's all it's all corporate face-saving and so on alright so breaking news since I know this is the podcast and you know breaking news is completely relevant oh absolutely yeah yeah following a night rose at n1 TR 0 z who by the way thinks it's awesome that we're mentioning him on the podcast so you know I'm hoping he's blushing right now he has said that he's seeing rumors from various sources that we're going to see a release at 8am which is now 45 minutes from the time we're recording this yeah of the Nexus 5 so you know about an hour after we've published this it will have been so or an hour so by the time people get at this time time in the but guests like 50 minutes in is already so no but what's gonna happen know what's gonna happen is by the time people get to this point the podcasts are going to be four hundred fifty thousand stories across the internet saying Nexus 5 misses another deadline I don't think I think that various sources that you were citing Joe I don't know if they exist i don't think that night rosie was was talking about any particular sources there she mentioned did he go back to the carphone warehouse to do some more flirting let me tell you some words of wisdom for myself what I personally and truly believe is that the last year's Nexus announcement was a silent press release announcement because of the hurricane and I don't think that Google wants to repeat that given the fact that the nexus is for the five is so important that they have apparently leaked it all over the internet themselves for the past four months so what I think is that this week we will not see announcement it will be probably next week and it will be an announcement with mbytes and since we don't have invites yet we will not see anything this week but they might prove me wrong but this is what I believe in we'll see well yeah I was afraid you were gonna say there was gonna be another hurricane I'm like those guys are still digging out in the last one yeah man can't be having one of those again to all my friends and out there in the Nuge or technique wow I almost said New Jersey New Jersey I've been watching too much british comedy to everyone in New Jersey and on the East Coast who was affected by that wow we know that you're still struggling with that that was later by the way we stand with you a year later I want to say before we head out on on hardware here that the that phone arena is has posted about three hours ago that a nexus 5 has been torn down and these are not blurry cam photos these are this is a tear down that has been documented with really really nice photography from fanatic phone.com yes did we Tony w do we repost this no not just yet oh yeah so I'm looking at these images right now which I will go ahead and drop in there for you and listeners once we once we get our piece reposted on this you will be able to see it I'll drop it in the description but i'm looking at a twenty three hundred million power battery as we were saying before and see a lot of components that people who get the tiny camera talk about and the tiny little camera sensors so i'm gonna call it the Tony camera from now on I think Tony see this is the only thing this is why I think Tony that we are more likely to see a launch in the near very near future than I am one like even a week from now is because all this stuff is popping up at a feverish right now and there's actually stock in stores which we know now so I I just don't see stock sitting in stores for for a week waiting for a launch here and I they could send out the invite Friday for a Tuesday event they could but doesn't November first sound like a like a like a Google day to do like doesn't now like they did it well they've done before it was oh well guys look at this kit kats our little teeny straight things right there she rate candies like 11 1 uh-huh get out like get low get off the show going wow I'm gonna go have some candy am I missing something yeah there's been a whole like batch of conspiracy theories like trying to find like little Easter nails in there oh yes the reaso skipped let's look yeah let's let's talk about that before Tony Tony's got to get it apart and what about 90 seconds Tony so two minutes all right before you head out the door I want you to tell us so let's pivot is software here tell us what your your favorite things that you're looking forward to an Android KitKat for that for our well um I will give you a very politician like answer because Android in its 4.2 in his 4.3 iteration even 4.2 do that one and two is good it's it answers all my needs whether it's God sends touch with or anything else on top of it it is fast thankfully and we are no longer seeing laggy phones except the fewer samsung tablet but still so for me personally android for that for doesn't have to bring anything it is already enjoyable and that's that's important for me but what what there will be I predict it will be nothing major it will be just a point a bit like we've seen the last 4.2 update it will bring some new features to the table some tweaks maybe in the user user interface just like the transparent notification shade and stuff like that just small light weeks and then Google will be bringing a huge overall with five point oh that's it that's not a bad perspective and I think with Google's increasing shift toward delivering new features in terms of individual packages rather than total Android point upgrades it's reasonable to assume that for that for is going to be quite similar to what we already have I agree yeah I can't disagree with that Tony I would love to get into some more stuff but I would also love to get you off the air in an expeditious manner because you have business to deal with thank you very much for being here for inviting me and hope to talk to you guys next time with the nexus 5 on the market which i'm not saying i hopes talk to you guys in two months tomorrow the nexus 5 on the market that sounds good we are gonna be doing a pocket a live tomorrow is that correct there will be one whatever Google decides to bring it Oh Devon no not an editorial round round table but a regular pocket a library the live is here to stay alright excellent well i will see you on the live tomorrow then sir absolutely guys have an awesome awesome show thanks Tony ok see you matter Joe what were you gonna say uh something about how Tony's brilliant and a way he's not listening anymore is he no and he's not gonna listen past the past the point where a two-part either see no I was I was just looking at these pictures and by the way if you haven't if you're listening to this head over to pocketnow.com at the article and look at michael's link for these this nexus 5 tear down that earphone little grill thing wow that looks stylish and nice hmm I didn't see that hey shut up it's an extra seven out of 10 for people who like style and simplicity okay information out there ya know that's it so all right we're supposed to be talking about a kid cat but there's not a lot to talk about until we know more so I just don't like no this is what I'm talking about Joe like there's this whole philosophy that I understand completely that the software is what we want to showcase particularly with a nexus product so the hardware needs to get out of the way the software and the tree just needs to be a window into the software experience fine I understand that and I respect it but I don't like it at all I think the hardware plays such a crucial part of the device experience not just because you have to physically hold something to view the software but like it should play very nicely with you with your ecosystem of other hardware that you've bought it should exist in the real world in a way that's significant and in my opinion cool and you just don't see that the Nexus 5 it doesn't excite me from what I've seen so far it just kind of looks very very commonplace and understated well get one taking on a boat and sit on it and you'll be fine you'll be happy I get what you're saying and I completely agree we're not talking about hardware we're not talking about software at the end of the day we're talking about a total user experience and that total user experience is the totality it's the completeness of whatever this thing is until we can get into into the whole Pandora of look at me i'm using my hands to illustrate what i'm talking about on the podcast I'll do it closer the microphone so everyone can see and until we get virtual reality where the hardware is literally invisible as far as the the interaction with the interface goes literally literally invisible it's not even there it's literally so we get to cloak phones yes it is essential well not even phones here but if we're talking to some kind of device Google glass is kind of a step in that direction where you've got yes you've got hardware but you're looking at the interface through the hardware as if the hardware weren't even there you're interacting with it with with touches and with voice and with all this other stuff and with what's going on around you until we do that yes the hardware is a vital component of this but at the same time it needs to be simple it needs to be elegant it needs to just work and do what it's supposed to do and enable that software experience without detracting from it but like you were saying it's also got the you're holding this thing that's a huge part of the whole user experience that tactile experience has to be there so one of the reasons why i love the nexus 4 so much it's got those rounded edges and i hate that i can't put a screen protector on it without ruining that nice bevel into an out that rounded screen even though it's it's an up brown not a down round that concave convex whatever those fancy words are yeah I wish my when I take our money but that was just that little subtlety that subtlety right there well was enough to Tim just make the device feel good to me and I get what you're saying to me the nexus for it was was the beginning of the downfall actually for me I hate last back absolutely well of course you do because you shattered yours too now no not my wife did what I did one oh god you broke to him well well your wife what fun here's the thing yeah but well you know hey you know you're together in marriage or together in blames right yeah okay no but uh join it before the Nexus right but the for the nexus 4 look what we had the nexus one which was probably one of the more understated Nexus devices but because it brought so many groundbreaking specs it was a it didn't need to be crazy and like it was a first gigahertz processor device if I recall or one of the first Elise and at a cool light up glowing travel right exactly people love to just glom that thing all the time that's a nice set off right so that's like oh this is very cool when you had the was the nexus s after that we don't speak of that no but all right now I know you don't like the next I know a lot of people don't like it but for me I loved it you had this big old blob on the bottom that that was like that was like a reverse chin and you had a curved glass over the display listen i loved it i thought that thing was cool looking I thought it was special it was definitely special but I thought it was really cool looking and really really awesome and then you had to kind of the evolution of that design with the Galaxy Nexus which kind of conventionalized it a little bit made it a little safer which I didn't like but that would that was actually the beginning have you had this thing as ok well the nexus s was exciting and bold and this is kind of like well it's like not as bold but I mean it's cool so by one and all have you know I have four in the nexus 4 is what you were talking about yes it's joe i get your that you like that it's subtle and awesome but you have to look so closely at it i don't know I just like Boulder choices that's why you have cases you can bedazzle it out old cases are lame I agree so yeah I absolutely hated the Nexus S I didn't use it I skipped that generation entirely on not because of that out side not because of the tactile interface but because it was so slow and just underpowered fraud I needed to be it was an embarrassment to the Nexus name the Galaxy Nexus on the other hand yes it got rid of some of that boldness it's got a lot more subtle a lot more streamlined and I am running three of those in the house today my two teenage kids and my wife are all running galaxy Nixie and they're running just fine and absolutely love them she's running stock and they are running I believe cyanogenmod 10.1 point 3 after the old man I love ya island it's great it does what they need to do its industrial enough that it survives the rigors of life in a teenager's pocket not on a boat yeah well I said a teenager not someone who looks like a teacher I'm a teenage heart okay somebody called me although they don't like it was when I was interviewing Marquez and like some commenters before I permabanned him and deleted him and sent an assassin after him you can't call me old man use so you guys should get taylor martin to talk to marquez michael fisher is too old what are you talking get out of here yeah but old are you I don't know I'm 22 23 or something yeah and I'm 24 good see there you go ya know exactly so let's talk about Kit Kat before we move on to misc um we've talked a lot about the about misc already but for dot for thought for God wait hold on a second speaking of that life not 540 for now five but for dot for speaking of taylor martin he is he is prompt btdubs i'm adding under the call we it just doesn't feel right chest we can't badmouth him while bringing him on and it's right that's exactly right it didn't feel right to have his ears burn infra nervous hello Martin Oh welcome welcome back to the pocket now weekly and Tony just had to leave us so you're our substitute for 20 minutes you are live and on the air so don't say anything that'll embarrass this is 0 NE curson well I am swimming here ironing a shirt well that sounds very lovely we have to walk my dog using my built-in microphone on my macbook ooh yeah yeah yeahs sound you just gonna say like you're reporting from the field you didn't you sound blue-ish but it's not as cool as reporting from a bus stop right Sam it's not as cool as reporting from broken down hooters but let's let's let's stick with it Taylor you can go anyway today just wanted a view here for a second what no no no I I wanted to ask about Taylor's thoughts on Android for that form we've talked about the nexus 5 Hardware ad nauseum and a lot yeah and we've also talked about this kind of philosophical shift in Google from doing point upgrades with massive waves of updates to this kind of prepackaged thing where it's like okay we're going to update this one component and push it out separately so but it given all that Taylor what are you most looking forward to from from the KitKat / nexus 5 release I mean do we have any sort of leaks of what it's going to include yeah and they all are like the most minor things you can imagine from what I can tell like the transparent notification shade and but only on the home screen right and like quote unquote general note and UI enhancements yeah and and that's probably all major updates are gonna be for Android from about my dog's drinking water by the way yeah thank you for that update breaking everyone needs to drink what if you're not drinking water while you're listening to our podcast wrong with that so I mean mmm it's not like pee drinks quietly no no that's true it's definitely so but so ya know continue continue yeah so I mean I think you're most of the now he's eating food I'm sorry he just decided one one more one more dog update and your we're hanging up on you I figured most of the updates are gonna be UI changes and improvements more so than polish yea it paused rather than you know major features in and yeah they're gonna integrate some new features who knows what maybe i don't know like joe said and this prompts that i've yet to publish it's about to go that looks beautiful by the way Tim pimp right there oh the collaborative piece on whatever but we want our smartphones to do yes yeah thanks see ya you were talking about how you wish your phone could anticipate what you're going to do next and I think to an extent they already do that was as part of a tragic butter correct where it kind of wraps up in anticipation it doesn't anticipate what you're going to do but it anticipates when you're gonna do something right yeah yeah so we've already got kind of the framework the foundation laid for this anticipatory stuff especially with you know and I didn't even think about bringing a project butter but you know your ambient processors is where I was thinking but you're absolutely correct we have the ability now to be aware and to get ready for stuff now all we gotta do is figure out what to get ready for cuz the stuff that I'm getting come on it's not me if this is what you're telling advertisers that this is what I like and they're paying you for it wow I'm in the wrong business yeah future addictions where the money is at exactly yeah come on we need to get Miss Cleo there we go and Android five is going to be uh with Miss Cleo there is broken a site for those of you who don't know Miss Cleo I I remember miss cleo from my youth yes yes indeed looking for this one you're 23 right Michael right okay it's like yesterday that's exactly right I'm still in the midst of my youth exactly I'm 23 Taylor Martin's like 15 so I was gonna rethink our Las Vegas drinking plans so guys oh yeah we won't do that good the hat says it all and it helps to to cover in KitKat before we kind of move on i just want to tailor and you can feel free to i know you gotta like put on that shirt you're ironing and like go do things so Joe and I are about to jump in the listener mail but before I let you off the hook what what is your number one most favorite thing that you're looking forward to from the nexus 5 as a whole Oh Nexus 5 stock Android with a Snapdragon 800 chill yeah I was one of the first things we covered absolutely yeah I mean somehow we've seen we've seen what the Snapdragon 800 could do for TouchWiz if you've seen the note 3 not necessary well note 3 review and the note 10.1 review the note 3 that I had was snapdragon 800 had zero lag the thing was just flying through everything all you could throw at it I had six applications running at once and it just odd in touch with ya down and then I switch over to the note 10.1 with the engine ozi pasa yeah and it's just a blag blag you open ok you can have a pin windows with one of the floating windows on the home screen and try to scroll through the home screen and it just is you could hear gears turning yeah so when I think your vibration owner needs some service you might wonderful warranty repair that without that big that giant software footprints thawing everything down in even though it didn't slow anything down on your note 3 by the way I take issue with your claim I've managed to slow down my Snapdragon 03 but didn't know no you didn't yeah but it without that all of that TouchWiz like gumming up the works there I agree I've stock android on Snapdragon 800 just sounds absurdly responsive to me I I would be very surprised dicta vol most yeah let us fight the home screen and before you touch the screen it's like Don yeah welcome guys again more than that before you go to swipe the home screen it's woken itself up read your email sent the responses and ordered you pizza for lunch you talk abou this is crazy Chuck right there this is like my friend my roommate not talking about the mac for a new mac pro oh yeah the bigger Catholic anybody ever need that and that's it well I could use it for video editing because my export times will be dramatically improved click on yeah and and you can use it to throw garbage in beautiful true yes um my question is do you guys think this is this is I lied before the teller this is the last thing I'm going to ask you do you guys think that for dot for is going to bring any measurable improvement to the Google now voice interface experience I know they just redid it in with the Moto X but I there people saying already that they're hearing different voice with Google now as of this morning that it's smoother that is more human I don't care if that I really don't because I mean it's not like it's gonna fool anybody you know I don't get the point but needing sound more human but did I I don't think sound more human is the important part I think being able to address it contextually like being able to address it in a more casual fashion rather yo google know like not like the trigger word can be the same but like it's up my Nexus homes it's just like it no it's just in the sense of like you know take take me home then knowing that it wants to navigate it wants you to navigate that it wants you for it what have you put a horrible sentence if you know it's reading it and said take me home it would start singing to you or something yeah like John Denver take me home no but Syria do that though I mean you tell Siri to take me home and Syria like understands that that phrase like Google now is still lacking in terms of address ability i think yes so so common language both asked questions and spoken responses that's the big thing right there's the spoken response that's got a long way to go on both sides and you know Google+ Google now whatever they're calling it it's sure absolutely yes they need more they're more conversational you can ask follow-up questions to Google now yeah and and that's cool unless you wait too long and then it forgets everything and you look like an idiot when you're trying to show off to your friends so they got to work on that because come on Google don't make me look like an idiot that's not cool yeah thought everybody was what the past week my Moto X has failed me every time I've said ok Google now all that's sleeping and asked you the question it says couldn't recognize retrial well as weird mine has not done that or no have you tried turning it off and back on again yes i have also i want their friends with who yes i know it is clear watching it yet that's one of the big guy going through this episode is IT Crowd it's wonderful that's right all right but taylor get back to making that shirt wrinkle free and we we'll probably be seeing you for a big ol news blessed and a little bit if if this lady you know at ninth time is the charm so maybe this news blast will be accurate well the face steep in a video wait well we'll see what's going on I think ap is finally reporting on this now according to two breaking news source night Rosie so it's god we should start charging them for them these are inside for quitter pimping I love this this is great this ma'am I just wish we broadcast live we're gonna be broadcasting live soon we found a client so anyway should we say should we just drop hints that we're looking for new VIPs to feature on the show no no we shouldn't we already have a list that would give es hopes up way to every time we do a VIP we get 40 million suggestions and I'm like oh some of these are really awesome Stephen Hawking Stephen Hawking somebody wanted to get flossy carter on the show and then i had forgotten about flush starter for a minute i'm like oh yes we got to do that then i'm actually not at all being sarcastic like I really offered Ricardo oh well yeah well I'm naturally we got to get the doctor Taylor Martin go away we'll talk to you later goodbye I want to thank you for coming on the show for real we'll we'll see you next week yeah whatever yeah give us some Southern drawl before you go don't do it don't I'm tired of it I don't know site yeah I heard of it oh look at this I can hang all that work hbu this is magic I can hang up on Taylor and this is great what is waiting for I just don't feel right oh now I feel right okay he's gone it doesn't make that satisfying clunk sound doesn't it doesn't I can't snap shut a flip phone than I don't want to do so we're you know I think we're scraping the bottom of the barrel on kitchen no we don't before we go listener mail before we go Lister mail I wasn't gonna go to listen to me I was gonna talk about hey go read my article on why I like the Flex better than this nexus cuz that's where I was going you were hitting towards reader Marilyn like no I want to know why you like the LG G flex more than the nexus 5 there's gotta be at least three reasons why and i got i was just gonna point you to like a text piece that like i have three very well defined reasons why when the picture of George Bush scratching his head very important gotta gotta gotta have that beautiful now the the Nexus 5 is this is exactly what I was talking about before and just I can't move the headline from misc so I just will say that I think LG has done some cool stuff in the past LG is a cool company that has managed to surprise me several times good yeah I mean it's it's cool they're not doing it with a nexus 5 I mean it's it's it's shut up it's very it's a very conventional you know the progression of their design concept for the four but look at this flex yes it's gonna be a pain to carry in your pocket maybe um yes it's probably gonna sit on a tabletop wonky yes before with the before you continue I've just gotta clarify mm-hmm is your buttocks curved hey man yeah man oh yeah big craze is the phone curved phones curved do you not see a perfect marriage of buttocks and phone right but like if you like like super imposed the curve of the flex over like a buttock like that that would have to be a buttock the size of Arizona no no no there's no there's no there's no buttock size comparison on that I just like saying buttock anyway Jessica Alba come what well see that's the thing like for regular butts you have to have a have like a curve of like 30 degrees for that for a phone so that wouldn't work but you know put it in your thigh pocket whatever the galaxy round to be better for that but this the Flex adheres to the curve of her equates to the curve of your face your cheek yes yes and that's what it's designed to do exactly and so so help me out here and like this is what it's doing what the nexus s did that i liked its being different and doing so in a smart way like in my opinion the galaxy round is different just for the sake of being different because it's a prototype that they build to prove they could do it at giving that's basically what did what the couch around is it's curved the wrong way who's gonna want to use that no one it's bizarre is what it is yeah if it were a tablet is he a key being curved that way yeah you know but the Flex is exactly like we talked about last week or the week before whatever it was like it does the same thing the original pre does where you you slid open the original pre in it assumed this banana shape there was also a motorola phone that did that like a sliver or a riser modification the other visor do i yeah like the slider version of the sliver and except this one like it had this accordion style thing so when you slid the screen up the keypad would accordion town and it would lock into a position like a banana phone shape and it was awesome I've loved that thing banana banana phone so anyway as this how this relates the Nexus 5 is once again as with the g two LG as shown that they're capable of doing interesting stuff and bold stuff but they don't want to make that bold choice because it intelligently I understand it's a smart choice because they're doing it for of a wide swath of consumers and they don't want to take a risk that big that people are gonna look at a flex phone and be like that's stupid cuz I'm yeah because I just look at the comments on that article like some people like it some people don't the people that don't really like amped on the fact that they don't like things like okay to two questions what how many people do you think you're going to take this thing and whether well they're probably not going to do it sober in a drunken state hand it to their friend or themselves try and flex this thing and snap it in half how many people do you think are going to do that and is that going to be covered by warranty because it doesn't really flex first question no people are not going to know that people it's not gonna be covered by warranty and anybody who does that deserves what they get I agree sit on your phone on a boat like normal people okay that's what we do okay did the glass impact a buttock Illaria yeah anyway Japan back to this so we've got three phones from LG alright or two and one that we think we might get some time eventually maybe if we ever do in 16 minutes maybe any time ng2 next to sweet guy yeah I got the g2 nexus 5 n G flex ah are they essentially the same phone now if you take hardware if you take processor if you take storage if you take ram if you take screen resolution and rough screen size are they the same phone know how is a difference to the G flex is a six inch 720p panel so it's inferior in resolution well it's cemetery HD that aside how about the rest the specs yeah I'll take a you're bigger yeah well made point yeah basically the same lesson is different but yeah yeah well you've got the samsung button on it what what oh I'm looking at the samsung phone now look at that I'm sorry oh I'm looking at your article I'm to the round oh lame yeah I confused around with it it so what are you driving out there what do you believe I'm not driving at anything I'm just saying it's interesting that we're taking the same the same core makeup if you will the same processor the same the same configuration and all we're doing it is it were wrapping it in different pretty outsides it's essentially the same phone just with a different exterior which goes back to your point from earlier wouldn't it be nice if they were doing something bold with it it's the same phone boom it is yeah just a different package done beautiful mention Lee dumb to get out of the way of the software which i think is fundamentally missing the point but we've been there before we've been there we've done that we said that having having said it I think it's time we owe our listeners a service that we two of them actually the first one is to get off the air so that we can cover the nexus 5 if it actually launches second one being to read their listener mail yes please let's pong bomb the first one here is oh you don't add the bong bong in live that's after editing yeah dematic here i'll throw in a little bosun's whistle for you there hold out is beautiful better guys when when you're on the show you miss out some of the magic and we do you don't get the intro outro tunes we had balling horses their lives did I listen to didn't leaders that the one before I know it's too bad that was in the show because Taylor interrupted me but see this I problem you get too far away from the initial announcement of listener mail then I have to do it again because we you know it's why on earth would someone interrupt you dude that's that's easy that's no time for listener mail the first one is from John Martin says hey pocket no team I was wondering what you guys thoughts are on the possibility of an unlocked nexus 5 that's both gsm and cdma and can work on all major carriers in the states with no contract sounds like you're talking about a pipe dream John we saw the new Nexus 7 launch this year that is capable of being used on verizon wireless as well as the usual gsm suspects usually I would doubt this idea because verizon's a control freak amen and I think they know best but with the Nexus 7 I was also hoping of the same result with the nexus 5 just wanted to know you guys opinions love the site really enjoyed this in your podcast every week keep up the great work John thank you awesome question thank you John yes we take a little bit about this earlier in the show if you skipped right to listener mail go back and listen to that but I will admit this I don't have a new Nexus 7 I've actually not spent any time with one so I did not know that the nexus 7 the new Nexus having also supported verizon and other carriers but is what's yeah but isn't that just what are you surprised about my surprise they don't know yeah well tell me about that but is it is it it's not just LTE its LTE and HSPA and cdma data no alright so what is it to the best of my knowledge it's it's LTE it's just LTE i if I'm wrong then I'm I'm probably disappointed that I still can't use it with tmobile to be able to test it because of reasons that I think t-mobile is stupid for but no it's it's LTE it's not ze radio and it's basically that if you've got a carrier that supports one of the bands that this device supports do you're probably good to go you just have to get us in pop it in and go so I'm looking at this right now I'm sorry to interrupt you Joe there's a look no you're not i'm looking at i'm not i'm looking at the new nexus 7 in the google play store right now and I've got options for Wi-Fi only LTE LTE parentheses gsm networks LTE with AT&T LTE with t-mobile those are my only choices I don't see a verizon option here the LTE LTE of course just final fer Eisen just pop in the sim go mmm now when it originally came out uh yeah that is where gsm network mmm when it originally came out it was just LTE there was no three varieties it came out and it came pre packaged with a tmobile sim that you could very quickly and easily fork over more of your money for to activate and make work but you couldn't use the sim out of your cell phone with unlimited data because that would just be too wrong apparently what this is this is just different packaging the LTE parenthesis gsm networks means it's a generic one the LTE with AT&T means it comes prepackaged with an AT&T sim and then t-mobile is the same thing please if I'm wrong here is someone who has verizon let me know you should be able to just pop your verizon LTE sim into your really any one of those gonna fire ipad sims on verizon they've popped in the next seven to work but there was some there was a kerfuffle back in September about verizon not certifying the nexus 7 for its network and then kind of delaying that shuffling its feet and there was a lot of news on that so anyway it does work though so I think that's the end of the bottom of it and when you think about that possibility and you think about incorporating that into a nexus 5 with cdma radio with the gsm radio with LTE radios it's just you know that that's that's the big problem you need that voice support because all we're talking about here is verizon LTE right with the Nexus 7 we're not talking about cdma data and Bradley amazed the problem right exactly and like we mentioned a little bit earlier in the show that's a different version of the 800 it differs in the Snapdragon 800 yes to include cdma yes it's got a different chipset so there it is John I mean you know the it would be lovely for to have a gsm and cdma Nexus 5 we know where we don't know but we suspect strongly that there will be a sprint Nexus 5 which means that there's Nexus 5 that will support cdma whether or not thats verizon cdma has yet to be seen but well print those chair cdma bands i mean it's nineteen hundred and eight hundred and that's it it's only LTE where they were verizon gets weird and and such but go back to the the galaxy nexus yeah we had we had separate devices for both of them we may or may not have the same thing here yeah so it's John it would be great I I don't see that that kind of simplicity happening until all the networks are running the same technology and and when that happens I think there's gonna be a whole lot of other stuff to worry about so yeah it did to put it all in a nutshell we've got we got two things happening and one may happen before the other and the other may not happen at all we've got gsm weave got cdma as voice networks and they are separate and will always be separate we have chips that are kind of hybridizing and some of them support both cdma and gsm not many do just because that's kind of a unholy marriage but just weird I feel we're just saying it maybe it's because it's Halloween but you've got that you know obviously if you can do one thing on one chip and make one chip that handles two things you're going to save money as a chip manufacturer so yeah the desire to do that is there absolutely on the other side we've got LTE and we've got voice over LTE and we've got that path that is coming it's not here yet you may have a few pockets where you may be able to do it with the right hardware blah blah blah not here yet but we're going down that direction as well I think the writing's on the wall LTE is the future voice over LTE is most likely going to be the future since everyone out there sprint and verizon included support LTE to me it seems like the natural convergence is going to be everybody has LTE and everybody does voice over LTE and that way you have one unified chipset and there is holy matrimony a beautiful future I we got it we got to move on no I wanted to blabber more we have android police now saying that the that after speaking with no less than five different sources with not old less than five no less than five this is artem russo kofsky is ready to confirm that the lg-made nexus 5 should be unveiled later on today seven today October thirty-first along with Android for dad for KitKat additional details which were leaked last night by former wsj reporter Amir efrati that's cool Amir good guy we're thinking of we're sitting there seeing a major wallet announcement is likely this is all from Android plants calm by the way major wallet is hearing the embargo is officially lifting at 11am Pacific which would be that's lunchtime mountain time it is and it's lunch time eastern time to feed a little later and been around lunch lunch time wherever you are so this is weird that if the the embargo is lifting purportedly at 11am pacific but the announcement and possible Play Store available it could come earlier should I make any sense to me no I see that because they want to have the exclusive on it you know here we go have their own exclusive yeah I mean come on you haven't seen any leaks they're holding this really tight to the belt they do they want to be the ones to break this not now websites and stuff no I guess I guess we'll see and I'm just adding our break news sources to the description so people can click on these when they listen to podcast four days after this thing is dropped and it's all irrelevant let's move on to work out pieces mr. mail Joe read the one from Stephen Toth King if you would Stephen Toth King rights hey pocket now team I'd like to thank the whole team for the great job that you're doing white Thank You Stephen we try it it's what we do there are some experts in the team so well that's Dana primarily me so maybe you can so maybe you can answer my question regarding processors is the Snapdragon 800 really that much better than the s4 yes I'm asking because the Nexus 5 is rumored to have the 800 I sure hope it will but I can't get the I cheaply from the play store in my country I I hear you there dude and I hate that so don't complain to me I'm on your side so I'm not sure whether it's worth the upgrade or not thanks for your and thirst even talk king who has a ba three in psychology I'm hungry is attending the University yeah so what that means I thought it said yeah I don't think so but anyway Stephen whatever the case Stephen thank you for writing in cho just thank you to us in brief why the 800 is better than the s4 in brief we're going to go back in time yes the s4 pro and the s4 Prime were the they were the bee's knees this time last year we didn't really see the s4 Prime anywhere I didn't suspect that we would everybody had the s4 pro or one of the the smaller brothers to that and it was great time is fast and technology has improved and those improvements have been bundled into the latest generation of processors the Snapdragon x-hundred series and that's a term I'm coining the 400 600 800 they are the new versions of the s4 pro and they are all and okay maybe not the majority of them are significantly better than the s4 pro to the tune of just raw processing power we're talking seventy-five percent faster with it some people are reporting forty percent better battery life so you're getting a significant jump in speed you're getting all kinds of new features and benefits that you know the s4 pro could do but it wasn't optimized for them and didn't do them nearly as fast so is it worth it yes absolutely yes there is no doubt yes is it worth the premium in your country I don't know what the premium is in your country so that's something you're going to have to decide on your own in in the States absolutely yes in the states plus 200 bucks I think so in the states plus 400 bucks and probably then it starts to fall apart yeah yeah so that's the subjective you know think you've got to decide for yourself but is it worth the price well it's definitely worth the upgrade it's just up to you whether it's worth the cost in your country or not there you go that's it's even that is a awesome question and I'm glad we had Joe and they are to answer it for you as he answered it better than anyone else could well in that article that's on the side today baby speaking of things being on the site today we really have to wrap this up because we have to push this thing out the door before the before anymore nexus 5 new drops because the wellbore the Nexus 6 is announced right exactly where we're running running out of time every second with last question from Michael loved loved the podcast thank you sir if someone was looking to get into Android would you recommend nexus 5 or Samsung Galaxy s4 Michael loft sent from my iphone 5 another defector Michael thank you for your question this is a very good question i think it's a great one to wrap up the nexus 5 special edition podcast on I think Joey I feel like I know your answer so I'm going to go ahead and say mine first absolutely the Nexus 5 yes the samsung galaxy s4 offers a lot more in terms of raw feature count but as we've said a few times on the show before and in our reviews the samsung touchwiz feature sweet it is not complete in that I think a lot of those features are quite half baked and some of them are just more frustration than they're worth plus the stock Android experience you're going to find on the Nexus 5 is much more akin to I think what you're used to on your iPhone 5 in terms of reliability responsiveness and a unified aesthetic that I think you will appreciate much much more than you would touch with so that's my answer the nexus 5 hands down I didn't even have to think about it although I did so that's my answer Joe wow it was like you pre-planned that or something response can't read a thing but ahead of time so this is a question that I've been receiving a lot and to everyone who I have already replied to whether that's by email or some other method I'm sorry I'm going to give different advice here so please consider this me updating my response to all of you the question is essentially and not just comparing the nexus 5 in the galaxy s4 which phone should i get the HTC one the one max the the galaxy s4 the latest from Sony etc etc and they throw in the Nexus 5 as well and my answer has always been you're comparing the best of everything anything that you get is going to be great it just is it's look at the individual whatever you liked you on a bigger screen do you want more touch with stuff do you want some of these other features they're all essentially on the same playing field yes some are faster than others just some are better than others yes some have front-facing speakers those are all just little things but as far as the guts and the the overall experience goes you're getting the highest end that you can get and I have lumped in the Nexus 5 into that answer as well today I'm changing that no the Nexus 5 is not akin to the galaxy s4 it's not akin to the HTC One anymore it's it's it's not it is the next step up the only thing I think we can really compare the Nexus 5 2 is the Moto X at this point and possibly the the LG g2 and if you want flexi things what we already talked about the LG G flex so those if we're comparing those the the question gets a lot more difficult to answer this question nexus 5 or sgs4 get a nexus 5 hands down if it's going to be released ever get get that one if you can't wait the hour or week or month however long it takes to release it then then go with go with what you think that the g4 or the sgs4 had too many acronyms it's another bad device but it's a great device it's a wonderful device and if you can't tell I'm just trying to make Michael just say say wrap it up as many times as foster their further into the past because pocket now readers and pocket now listeners deserve a full-fledged out so much to do you have so much to do today Joe Levi you can't afford that I'm gonna get Robert loggia on the podcast just to say we're out of town we're outta time you can't handle the dream I'm out of there so all right anyway so that is my answer right now it's a wonderful lead pants answer it's lovely the nexus 5 get the nexus 5 it's probably out already if you're listening us do it let's go report the news this has been the pocket now weekly Joe Levi you're the best thank you so much for joining us it's it's been fabulous time thanks Michael you find us on Twitter listeners do you do it and you do it now it's go there now and we'll talk all of us site Joe is that Joe Levi Michael Fisher is at captain two phones and our earlier departed and Tandy nudge is at a nton dnag why it wasn't there some other guy to there go yet Taylor Martin Casper texier sper Tek joined us for about 20 minutes back there and if you want to follow Cass protects dog I don't I don't have his just I've got my finger on the eject button for you jelly but you can also follow pocket now officially on pocket now is Twitter pocket mail on instagram facebook google+ share opinions at forums pocketnow.com if you enjoyed the podcast leave this review and itunes or xbox music and if you have a topic question or suggestion for the show we just want to say hi email us podcast at 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