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Let's Talk About Batteries, Battery Life, Wishes, And Sacrifices: Pocketnow Live, Ep. 12

2013-04-19
good morning good afternoon good evening everybody this is puckett now live episode number 12 and I am Anton denied managing editor of pocketnow.com and I am right now joined by Jill Levi senior editor hello Joe hello how's everybody doing everybody is awesome and also by mr. Taylor Martin senior editor hello are you doing how are you I'm great everybody is great and we don't want to take too much time let's run jump right into it Joe please choose somebody to talk to so the rules for the podcast were for the live hangout rather where we're trying to get people who haven't been on the show before so if I recognize you I'm probably gonna skip over you for right now so I'm gonna go with eeny meeny miny I don't think i have seen subodh eesh before supper each welcome unmute your microphone say hello and tell us how big the battery in New York zone is hello um i'm sorry i'm using a galaxy s2 and you know it's just 1650 milliampere and it doesn't come for the day so I've seen even the galaxy s3 and I feel that you know they have made the batteries of the same shape and same same like an oak rectangular shape but in a galaxy s4 they made it wider but it's not I know long enough I mean the body is so big but its source like I feel the batteries become very small um though it sells for the day I don't know whether it's good enough for the today's smartphone technology alright so you said your battery doesn't get you all the way through the day would you consider yourself to be an average user a light user or a heavy user I'm heavy user heavy users what do you do most with your phone um I do everything on my form email games um what's a internet browsing music everything so how much of the how much ours is it getting through the day like you have to recharge at lunchtime or whatnot and how much of that time do you have spent with the screen on um actually both are 16 oz and it goes dead and do you spend about half of that with with the screen on or less or more or um no it's like most of the time I play and sometimes it spends a lot on background syncing background singers who else has a problem with backgrounds thank you so he does over the house email Twitter Facebook yeah I got too much stuff to sync with image uploads yeah I'm I got some questions over here and I want to know you know like they're on a no batteries available you know past for the past few years and each of them very small four of them could no power even a torchlight so it's it's a word technology it's quite a word technology for now why aren't they yet implemented you know for mobile phone technologies they know we need some juice that's a really good question and that leads us right into the the topic that were discussing today what about battery technologies Tony Taylor do you guys have any advice any suggestions on why these nanotechnologies aren't available for us today and when we might see them well I have 11 all little thing I want to say i wrote a piece on micro batteries and i'm thinking that they are not quite ready yet for mine clean because once you develop the technology you have to patent that here to test it and he had then you have to get it on the market at the moment i don't think they are ready right now and you have to come up overcome the biggest problem which is producing it on a large-scale manufacturing process is the hardest of any of that you can chemical the battery technology I've reported on I don't know probably 20 battery breakthroughs over the years and the problem is that all we found this great new technology when you can use it batteries and it's great until like oh how do we make a cuticle hard you know to make one that you know the size of a dime and it powers an LED for 20 minutes how do you make one mix you know large enough to power a phone on you know a huge scale on tens of millions of them that's the problem um now micro and nano batteries these are great but the technology that I wrote about a few weeks ago is graphene or graphite space batteries which is on you I'm getting a lot a few guys echo I'm trying to move a rock now actually I'm trying to meet everybody except for you the problem is that actually there is no problem with these they've already got a manufacturing process they're really easy and cheap to make and what it is is it changes the way that batteries are charged so right now they charge from okay I've got this little battery pack they charge from the center to the outer most sales and what that does is it creates you know two or three hour charge times and when you use this graphene the way it charges is they all charge all the cells in the battery charge simultaneously so it charges an entire battery three thousand million powers in oh ten seconds so it turns out inspiration was the one with the echo so whenever you want to talk just that me Trisha yeah ok then i'm ok so they say as you said it yeah I understood the facts I understood but ok so what about cleaning down the present batteries you know they are the same thickness you know you see for my galaxy s tone the galaxy s the thickness of the battery is still the same so if they reduce the thickness so you can you know put more juice into it right you can make a thinner phone more battery power you win I win everyone wins that's actually yeah this is a this is tiny if you look at I've got the HTC One X just sitting here this thing is two thousand million hours and it's smaller than you know most you know sixteen hundred million power batteries and it's a charger so I agree they could be smaller yeah let me show you something this is the battery of the stock AT&T or international Galaxy Note 2 and this is an extended battery for the same phone how many times is that bigger miles I think okay so okay no you know it's coming to s4 on 18 these big little technology you know not just batteries they said the big little technology can actually you know reduce your battery consumption about seventy percent on a normal usage so do you think that's gonna help I'll take that one um here's the really really in-depth deep technical explanation you ready for this no it's nothing big little is a great concept um it's it's the natural evolution I believe of where not only mobile processors but processors in general are going to go for those of you who aren't familiar with the concept essentially you have some really high-end big fat processors that do a lot of heavy lifting and they take up quite a bit of energy to do it relatively speaking that's not a ton of power because we're getting more and more efficient but when your phone is sitting there idle or your smartphone your set-top box your car whatever it may be that's using this processor it doesn't need to be running those really big strong powerful processors so big little says let's also team up some low-power slower processors that don't do as much and don't do it as fast but it's plenty fast to do background tasks like the syncing that we just talked about and it hands that off when your screen is off or when you've been idle for a while is it going to give you a seventy percent improvement in battery life no no no no it's never going to do that and that's something that these announcements don't like to tell you about yeah just video nvidia did it too with the companion core in the Tegra 3 and you didn't see any major improvements there if anything no way out of a ramp-up period that you wouldn't see on a normal yeah it takes time to do the handoff but what you do see is you're not losing much if any battery life off of that new faster better technology we're maintaining the speed and getting a boost in performance so that's where that that power savings comes into play when you see all that i'm going to call it propaganda when you see the propaganda the marketing from these these processor manufacturers that's where you're recovering all of that extra power savings is in its a faster processor you're not losing any battery life so any other questions comments you'd like to wrap up with the gracious i have not muted I'm you Jason yeah I want to ask Tony yes please uh what do you think about the s4 launch in Romania well the s4 isn't is not yet available in Romania we don't have a exact date the increasingly the carrier here which has a fruity name I'm not gonna say his name has it already on pre-order but and interestingly they have it on stock so it could be order now they could deliver it to you right now but they are not going to deliver it to you until May five so we don't have any official way of getting the s4 in Romania right now okay and um you guys really do great thing man I I really like it you know I always suggest my friends to check Tupac enough for anything because everyone says this happens that happens you guys say how it happens and how it how it does and that's really great thanks a lot either thank you that's yeah i'm gonna lock my camera on you unless you have any other final thoughts or questions to anyone on the team that's where you can follow them that's nirvana Tony KL STRs we have separation any other students Crichton thoughts no nothing more thank you thank you very much for joining us and next week sure here bye-bye and with this I'm gonna hand it over to Taylor please all right um I'm gonna have to go with I think I've seen everyone else spoken with them before except for I guess it is it whoa whoa Louis calm down I headphones are going crazy is everybody out seeing that he's like joining and leaving really quickly I'm looking at the chat right now and he is just flying run long i'm coming us yeah I was gonna say is it Bogdan Bogdan I don't know how to pronounce that but uh if you could unmute yourself awesome how are you doing today book that I'm hearing myself and his mic or speakers but no it's not him he Bob that he had to unmute your microphone from the top right corner he is from my country okay he's getting some audio feedback but I don't see we can't hear you okay choose somebody else will go come back to the bugga all right is it a is it on you on you I don't know how to pronounce it either I'm terrible with names we go over this every state yeah hi how are you doing I'm very fine sanction so I guess stars this um what phone do you have and what size battery doesn't have i have an HTC One X and it's just got the standard 800 million up baby on power battery right and how does that last of the last you all day half the day or what it slows me about half a day before I stick on the charger yeah okay oh now let me ask you this because the way I do things is when I think my phone is going to die before the end of the day I charge it when it's around maybe fifty percent or something when you say that you have to charge it about half the day is that completely dead or is it maybe a 20-30 consumers well I'll consider charging it at about two percent so yeah I let it dry completely had two percent that's impressive yeah so I guess the question we had in this the whole thing was would you prefer a thicker phone with a larger battery or a phone like George right now but last maybe have sorte with you know half the day on a single charge but that's way to put it put it well much for first battery life of a sickness to be honest okay well I guess mmm well we're asking i guess is the opposite of that um would you put up with a pick a phone provider battery battery life uh yes city would okay yeah um the funny thing about 1 x is when I had it I had problems of my battery like and AT&T rep rip or not a replica customer service I was in the home of them they tried to send me a spare battery for my one x I tried to explain to them three or four times yeah I'm echoing people's different speakers we good another than that coach gun was gonna group those people without head on it home so maybe we could turn on your speakers maybe a little I just get a nice awesome that work too and yeah I tried to explain to them three or four times that they the One X doesn't have a removal battery it's it's integrated my guys like i'll send you a removable for a spare battery in the mail uh it was kind of funny but yeah um you have any questions for us or Tony and Joe yeah got some questions on I'm thinking of buying the HTC One and I just want to ask how good the battery life is I think we're gonna have to leave that one to Tony I haven't had it yet I haven't even had a chance to hold it my hand yet neither still far I'm gonna tell you this much your day-to-day usage probably is different than my day-to-day usage but the way I use my phone whether if it's the iphone the galaxy s3 be no to orally TC 1 is the same usage so using the phone as I normally would on the HTC One I'm getting approximately two two and a half days of battery life without a charge that means the usual stuff email social networking browsing the Internet listening to music and so on but this again could vary depending on your usage so stop it up I'm pretty Brittany how should I say that satisfied yeah that's the word what the HTC one's battery life yeah it's it's tough to judge battery life because there are so many different factors do you connect to Wi-Fi ninety percent of the time how fast you have things updating twitter facebook what brightness level there are so many different things that come into play when you're judging battery life so it's how many social networks do you have it connected to how many emails do you send everything that's huge so that that's why it's so difficult to judge battery life especially with like when we're posting a review and we've only had it for a week it's hour battery life that we've had and not necessarily a broad scope it's very limited because we use our phones very differently we email like crazy and and just all sorts of different things and through that time through these review periods we're shooting photos shooting videos playing games that we normally wouldn't play so it's installing a whole bunch of apps yeah so it's very tricky it's very tricky so do you have any more questions for us or anything else you'd like to say uh oh shoot was quite difficult for the samsung galaxy s4 it comes to a 2600 milliamp hour battery right don't believe the three yes so do you think that if you actually get something access for do you think you could make it through a day on heavy usage I probably couldn't I mean I struggle with the galaxy note 2 to make it to a day so freely yeah so it just depends but probably not I could but I it all depends on your gear use it I probably could but Taylor no Joe not a chance and I guess it depends on the on the day if I'm working a lot yet I probably good because I probably wouldn't touch it at all but on a standard day probably not yeah also one last question is why do you think that manufacturers don't put sort of bigger batteries in their phones I mean most 5-inch phones they don't get past the 2700 milliamp hour mark so I just don't get why cause I want this with you I want this one battery size battery life doesn't cell phones what does cell phones for some reason marketing departments seem to think that having the thinnest phone or the slimmest phone or the the sexiest phone sells better than anything else they can put that speck on their advertise it and make all kinds of positive news and buzz about their device over somebody else's it's X percent thinner than somebody else its life you know x % lighter batteries to take up space and batteries are heavy so if they put a bitter bigger battery in there it's going to be thicker it's going to be heavier they're going to lose out on those really sexy terms that they can throw out there in all of their marketing and batteries just aren't sexy statistics I like big batteries that in fact i was showing the guys before the show this is my favorite battery right there almost dad's mar 07 amp hour at 7,000 milliamp hours if my conversion is correct of course that just has connectors that i have to hook up to a bag valve or a connector but yeah but i can do it and i can charge anything anywhere and it's great but back to your question it doesn't cell phones it might sell accessories like Tony's got a way awesome accessory but it doesn't phones and that's what they're after when they're putting the stock battery in their devices yep HTC did a little I'm sorry go ahead uh what I don't get is if i crack open let's say God's history there is a big space left over from you know sim cards batteries and microSD cards I'm sorry shall be young enough to go no problem no problem all right so there's that all those bereaved questions all around those for the rest of you I was gonna say that um HTC did a study a while back Wow Lois's what is this going on every time I talk Luis it's lily's trying to join and coming back and he doesn't like me but he doesn't like me every time I've had a talk anyway um HTC did a survey a while back maybe last year i believe it was right before the 1x came out maybe right after or they released the findings that people wanted thinner phones over larger batteries now the wording that they used in their survey was very tricky it was something like would you prefer a thinner phone or a larger battery now the fact that the old motorola atrix and I matrix droid razr maxx so not the HD the razr maxx was just as thin as the razor if you carried it out flat from the camera huh so it was basically the razor the droid razr and he fight with his flat back like without the camera home so it was thicker but it was the same thickness as they were the same thickness at the camera hop right so you're adding a millimeter or two it's not even that much it's not much it's not that much at all point being you can have high-end specifications and a 3300 milliamp hour battery and it not be a brick that's the the thing that HTC wasn't I guess elaborating on in that survey and I would rush rather have a 9 millimeter thick foam than something that's I don't know seven or six point nine millimeters that's yeah well yeah what is that like 14 millimeter size that is actually two centimeters so that's really thick it is but um yeah I mean I would rather have a phone that's nine or ten millimeters thick and last me for three or four days like my blackberry used to on a single charge I would love that well and if you would go back to that survey then if that question had been asked differently for example if it had been asked which would you prefer a thinner phone or a phone that lasts longer before it needs to be recharged ooh then you might get a little bit different response to that because when you say thinner phone bigger battery you're you're taking two different specifications it's two different things you're saying do you want a thin phone or do you want a fat phone that's the implication of that question yeah it's not a valid question and that's why there are three kinds of lies there's lies damn lies and statistics those stats come from surveys that are written to get the answer that they're looking for it supports their marketing department not the will of well all of us right okay i think it is my turn and before i do that i have a couple of questions i am desperately trying to monitor the comments on our youtube channel and we have a couple of comments right here and i'm going to read a couple of those for instance RTE CPC when is it good to charge a phone fully drained or half well this is no longer a tricky question we have lithium polymer or lithium ion batteries in our phones so they had no memory effect no oh they do with they do the general idea is to charge them whenever you can charge them this is my answer and if Joe can can complement perfectly so my rebuttal to that is that has been the generally accepted answer ever since we switched over from nicad over to lithium both lithium ion and lithium polymer batteries nicad had a terrible terrible memory effect to it essentially when you would charge the battery up and it would discharge would release these microscopic bubbles inside the battery and if you didn't drain it all the way out then those bubbles would be there and it would they'd service insulators and not let the battery charge up so you'd have to discharge a completely recharged it completely and that's where that whole thing came from lithium-ion was supposed to be getting around that and lithium polymer is the same technology as a lithium ion it's just in a polymer instead of in a another substrate so don't worry about that technicality it's the same thing Toyota very very recently I think just earlier this week I they they do all kinds of cool stuff with hybrid cars I have a Prius so I've got a battery pack in the back of my car no jokes about my Prius guys I got it because I'm machine okay they found that lithium battery technology does in fact have a memory effect and it becomes more and more visible the older the batteries get in our smartphones we're not going to see it as much because we throw them away every one to two years so it's they're just not as visible but it's still there how we can address that and how we can get around that we still don't know the answer to that question yet battery university is an awesome website for learning the ins and outs of lithium-ion lithium polymer and other battery technologies and the way that they explain it is basically think of it as if you let your phone discharge to sixty percent over and over and over every time you charge it up plug it up at sixty percent basically the time is going to take for your phone to discharge from one hundred percent to sixty percent is going to get quicker and when it hits sixty percent and goes to zero percent that'll drain slower so you get that effect over time so the best thing to do is to not do the same exact thing every time the battery is going to die eventually as in lifespan not charged but your battery will die eventually every battery has a limited number of times it can be charged and that's around maybe a thousand or two thousand times but the thing is you need to do charge it differently every time otherwise you're going to wear out the same percentage and it's going to drain quicker to one percentage and it'll drain slower so you indeed calculation even if if it is good for a thousand cycles that is two point seven years I mean you'll have to charge your phone twice twice a year to get through a contract so i think that's good so one other thing being a ham radio guy we we talk a lot about battery technologies thanks Taylor laughs at me when I say I'm a ham radio guy the batteries are really important because we have batteries in our radios which a phone is just a specialized radio and operates on different frequencies and whatnot and then you saw my really big honkin battery all that battery's regardless of type whether its lithium-ion nicad or even lead acid they all follow kind of the same rule of thumb with charge discharge some more than others but essentially you want to keep your battery between twenty percent and eighty percent now I'm not saying that as soon as you hit twenty percent charge your battery and only charge it up to eighty percent I'm not saying that at all i'm saying if you can keep your battery between those two kind of those two points in general use you'll have a happier battery it will last longer and you'll get more life more usable life out of every charge by doing so so and especially if you're going to put it on the shelf make sure you you keep it stored somewhere between 20 and 80 don't have it fully charged don't have it fully discharged somewhere in the middle is is better okay guys I know you too you can talk about this until all day but another question from Matthew I think I'm gonna be the only one answering to this do you think getting the nokia 808 in 2013 for its camera is still a good idea well if you're going to use your smartphone that is the 808 PureView only for its camera yes it's a good idea if you're going to use it for your daily driver as a smartphone no it's not a good idea symbian that's all i've got to say yes but other insert yeah it's not a phone it's a camera with phone capability wrecked yeah and in that case get the galaxy camera and right now in this round the last question is for Joe and myself it's from sul I ate he says in one weekly podcast you had a very interesting discussion about licenses and if i buy a phone do I really own it own the hardware or software can you discuss it now this isn't worse because if you remember Joe the two of us were on on that podcast and I said if you buy the hardware the harbor is yours but the software it is not really yours because there are certain copyrights and licenses in place and and you tend it to disagree at that point yes and it really depends on the the way the question is being asked you don't own the software in that you don't own the source code you do not own the the right or the ability to change it to decompile it to modify it so along those lines all agree completely with Tony and you do however in my opinion and I am NOT a lawyer so I am not dispensing legal advice you do however own the license to use that software and to configure that software to whatever use you want to now that's where the line comes in what is configuration and what is hacking if I can put a wallpaper on the back of my tablet or the back of my smartphone or the back of my desktop computer that's configuring it how I want arranging icons how I want installing programs how I want if I can going back to windows mobile and windows days if I can go in and make a change to my registry that lets me use it in a different manner is that okay or is it not I'm of the opinion that it's my hardware it's my device if I'm changing data on my device I can do that but some people will disagree and yeah he's right there yes okay and one final shout out this is to Nicholas veal this is a shout out a negative 1 people say that you are having racist jokes on youtube please stop that we don't like those so thank you very much and I may or may not have been an executive there and just blocked him so let's move on and see if Bogdan yo nesco do you have your audio issues sorted out can you hear us we cannot hear you first of all there is an unmute icon on your top right corner and if that doesn't work you might want to check your settings within gmail to use your proper microphone okay we'll get back to you no problem let us talk to hamza llaman or jama or I've completely mispronounced your name please unmute your microphone it's times a jumbo is JAMA okay I got I got it right from the second turn how are you how is your battery life uh my I'm good my battery life is decent but I thought you only been back I just got the HTC One and I'm this I can't believe you can get two days a half out of it finally to get a buddy everybody's being calling me and HTC One fanboy I kept on telling people the HTC One is good for two days of battery life and they were you're such an HTC One fanboy no here's jama telling you the same thing i'm glad you did that I thought he was saying that he couldn't believe it I can see I yeah that's why i said i can't believe you got two days and a half out of it when I really okay then the other way around let's see Oh howdy how do you use your phone how many email accounts do you have how many accounts do you have in general which are sinking and how much well no screen time is not allowed by HTC so just let's see how use your from convenient well I have a 3d mug i'm sanna have them continue thinking of Twitter Facebook have Instagram that's pretty much here I use a couple of games you usually just listen to podcast then with music in the morning and I watch a couple of video youtube videos about the suffice and then throughout the day it just eats and eats away so you know I without the phone actually showing you your screen on time because HTC was kind of slimy at that and disabled it how much do you think your screen is on like two hours three hours four hours how much would you say Broxson all day about you always have about three to four hours and I think that that's a good better life yeah computer for hours of screen all time is good well I special night if that's an estimate then you know i would i would have guessed a long time ago that my screen all time was a lot higher than it was but it's actually like two hours one or two hours and this brings me to my main question what would you sacrifice for more battery life on the HTC one would you sacrifice the thickness or thinness or would you sacrifice money would you prefer that your HTC one would look like this thick or would you probably have the same thinness or thickness and may be paying twenty five thirty dollars more for the HTC one just for you to get through two days or three days of better life i would pay for I would do either I would pay money out I know enjoy having a thicker phone because sometimes this is too thin and it just slips on my hand and then if it drops and then there's time for that you just crack scratch like that yeah don't drop it yeah don't ruffle Julie Taylor will tell you about that next week oh yeah you had to ruin it for me Tony what what I wanted to ask about this particular like show was a which one would you you rather have like a quick touch time or a high-capacity I personally was never pro a quick charge time because I'm an old school guy and I always thought that you have to charge your batteries according to the manual if your battery is of 25 million powers then you always have to charge it with ten percent / its own charger so I would always probably charge my phone with its own charger and prefer a longer battery life than a faster charging time I think he may be referencing the graphene technology that I was talking about is that what you're talking about like the like a 10 second charge time if you plug your phone up and it's fully charged in ten seconds I don't want I did I think everybody will love it and second charge time Athena's that's just that's just insane but yeah why would you want that tony but well basically if I'm not a specialist in batteries but if you know a little bit of chemistry and how batteries are working you know that there are a lot of chemistry going on within the battery cells itself and if if you go through that or over that particular threshold which is the normal physical chemical threshold of the cells themselves and the interactions chemically which happen while charging the phone you know that there's there are pros and cons when you charge your phone quickly you will probably kill your battery faster if you charge your phone slower probably your battery will last longer but then the cons are that you are charging slower well the rate at which the cells themselves would charge is about the same what's happening is right now like I was saying with this you charge from the inside to the outermost cells so they charge one by one one at a time just from the inside to the outside and with this new technology they would all charged simultaneously all at the same time like all the same speed that the cells are charging but they all charge at the exact same time so if another way to look at that Taylor is the the cells on the cells themselves are interconnected so what you're doing first is your charging the first cell and then the first cell charges the cell down the road and then it charges the one down the road and on and on and on so the the cells that are first in line are the ones that get the most use and they're also promote the ones that that we're out I mean it's just like a physical thing if you had a mechanical object that's the thing that gets the most where is going to wear out soon it's just going to break Souness and then everything downstream is dead the point that Tony is getting at is kind of interesting and that puts us into less of the realm of batteries more into the realm of capacitors which are designed for very very rapid charge times and very very rapid discharge the downside to those however is they usually don't have very large capacities or if they do they're ridiculously large capacitors yeah the graphing technology is actually considered a supercapacitor super capacitor which I couldn't understand but i don't know i'm not an expert on it i just know that the technology itself sounds amazing but just one one thing Missy gelpi or ELP I kept on muting you for like three or four times either please you stay muted or I will have to kick you out so thank you very much back to you guys yep so that that's all I'm gonna say i don't know the ins and outs of it i don't know what the lifespan of a supercapacitor graphene battery would be but the technology itself sounds amazing yeah I knew I don't think you already know what it is it yeah I would love there are 22 different types that I've found and I don't know the interesting intricate details but being able to just say my phone as two percent let it charge almost all deplete almost all the way right before I walk out i plug it up unplug and I'm fully charged I mean that's mind-blowing you wouldn't need a three thousand million power battery you'd need you even 1000 million power battery might even suffice because you it would last shorter time like it wouldn't last 20 years but you get the point when I'm saying I guess essentially the other possibility is you charge something up and it lasts you for an hour and then at that point you have to find another place yeah charge yeah you know it's the same thing with with electric vehicles electric vehicles are great I mean there were some of the first vehicles introduced even before the internal combustion engine way back hundred years ago the problem is how do you charge them how do you get them charged and you've got to have that charging infrastructure in place so when you get downtown in your electric car you have something to plug into so you can get to the next store and eventually get back at home with this type of technology if you don't have a large enough capacity in the battery or the supercapacitor itself to get you to that next charging point it's it's a non-issue it's never going to work it's a chicken in the egg you've got to have that infrastructure and that goes back to some of the articles that I've written on the wireless charging standards and how that could be used as long as we start getting that getting it more ubiquitous if if we start having this wireless charging in our table at work or in the table at the coffee shop or in the seat on the bus and whatever it may be once that infrastructure is in place then we really you know we're freed from this shackle of a battery as long as we're inside the metropolitan area or our homes once we get out onto the open road or you know out in the wilderness it's a different story and that's when we had to have big capacities we have a saying around here where I live which is close to the Hungarian border so it's either a Hungarian saying or a Romanian saying that we Joe Taylor and myself have verbal diarrhea so let's let's get back to Hamza do you have any other thoughts or questions handsome one question that comes to mind um yes please why does everybody hate you see Bing feed that is interesting i'm not using the HTC one at the moment because i'm using some the Frankenstein film as my daily driver the phantom phone if I would take out the HTC one from the drawer I might actually do that because it actually has fastboot on i will show you how my HTC blinkfeed looks so right now i'm personally power button i'm gonna lock the camera on me it's booting up right now and it should be up in a couple of seconds the idea is that i am not that social in my private life i have a couple of friends most of them are from pocket now this is the HTC One loot up sound and I don't really have that many contents stories or or pictures or anything else I want to see on my blinkfeed so this is my blinkfeed that looks like a big blank screen they're told that is indeed any big blank screen so that's that I'm not complaining about it it's awesome just like Facebook home for those who live very intensely socially but not for me fair enough any other questions or observations I thought I mean I live in the UK and I can't get poking out my dream complete do you know that why does you have to go okay hold on I'm gonna have to borrow a hot again you have to go you have to go into your blinkfeed and hold on just one second actually there's a article on pocket which I wrote on how to enable it well this is fast it's already on I'm not gonna show you my wallpaper because that's you know guys why he has to look you know your hold on let me lock my camera you have to go to your blinkfeed settings and then go into topics and services and then you will have to go to categories and scroll down to technology and science and wooden technology and science thick mobile and once you do that I'm not sure if yeah that's I have one last quote smartphone just just stick mobile and then press back and once you with Vishnu mobile then there should be a limitation probably according to your region which is in the UK but right now i'm scrolling down and i'm trying to find a story oh here's one i'm not sure if the camera can focus but you can clearly see the pocket now logo right there yep so that's that's the way you should be able to do it and let me unlock my camera in my face any any other questions it's not over that's fine ok good man I will thank you very much for joining us and if you want to tell everybody work to find you on Twitter or Google+ or Facebook this is your occasion there's a huge lag yeah oh I'm not sure he's hearing us anymore so thank you very much about joining us is Hg he does go out ok repeat that because I totally ruined it for you hey my twitter handle with HJ ch I ll I awesome so everybody go follow him he's an awesome guy thank you very much for joining us and come back next week and before I hand it over to uh I think it's your turn I will try to read one no I will have a announcement to make I have read a couple of nicholas Nicholas is comment Nicholas you are now banned from pocketknives youtube account thank you very much for being whatever you are ok then other question he says Anton do you think getting the naki I the way this was already answered I'd like to buy it oh yeah an external battery back I've seen lots of Chinese batteries on ebay but I want to buy something high quality what do you guys recommend i recommend you follow pocketnow next week and you'll see two of my reviews regarding a battery life if any of you Joe or Taylor have anything more to add Phyllis i have used several several several i don't even know how many now my charge products and they are fantastic the quality is great this thing is actually enormous though it's the my charge peak 6000 and I've got two of them how much I love them and it's great it's got the old 30-pin cable at the bottom a micro USB port or cable tucked into the side and a USB cable here for charging and USB port so it's packed with all kinds of stuff in it it'll charge most phones three times problem with that is it's not portable and that kind of defeats the purpose of it and go in a bag and it works it works if you use a backpack or a purse or something but I don't I don't carry a purse you need to get you some tactical pants with big pockets and then a bill because i didn't know um c-czar says man purse over in the conference yes and I agree it's called a satchel assassin I always had that on me when it's summer so I don't have any pockets on me and I'm not with the car so I have to have some place where i need to put all my gear I can't fully put this one or myself behind this one yet is the I guess is pronounced anchor it's on amazon but basically this is 4,500 million powers and it is almost the exact same size as the HTC first it's it's small and it's 4,500 million powers I can't really say anything about it yet because I haven't used it I have been slaving away behind a computer for several days and I have left so I don't need a battery pack right now but there are so many of them on amazon in in wireless retail stores you can go up to t-mobile and AT&T Verizon they have them all there now and they're everywhere but this has got to be my favorite I have a bunch of these things if you haven't figured that already I love battery packs and this is my favorite you can't buy these unfortunately I got it at a long yes you are lucky to be at CES Wow I got this at CES and Huawei was giving them out at the door to their ascend mate and ascend d2 yeah yeah yeahs at that event and they were handed these out at the door to the press and this is two thousand million Bowers and it is tiny it is very tiny this is the first again I mean it's just it's a little itty bitty thing and it's really thin I throw this in my pocket every where I'm going yeah but you only get one charge one charge well how many am I gonna need like it depends on how are you traveling if I'm traveling I got a bag with me I got this thing could happen I've I have a lot of power bags too so see this thing lights up yeah oh wow my phones don't die my phones don't die yo any any observations on this particular question or topic I have only tried portable batteries twice the first one was a really cheap Chinese one and when I say really cheap Chinese I mean cheap not that everything made in China is cheap but this one this one unfortunately was and I'm staring over at the box right now given at the stink-eye it was awful it did have a solar panel on one side of it which made it all kinds of cool and that solar panel was enough to light up a little green LED and make you think that it was doing something but it really wasn't in the operation for this show I just ordered an igo charger which is only 1800 milliamp hours it's about the same size as their double and triple a wall charger I've got some over there that are off camera it looks really nice I haven't gotten it yet it costs 10 bucks including shipping though so I figured I couldn't pass it up the downside is it took longer to get here than I would have hoped so I can't show it to you but that leads me to a question that one looks exactly like the the like I said the double a battery charger it looks like it's exactly the same size looks like it came off the same mold but it's only 1800 milliamp hours one double a battery is like 2600 milliamp hours and the wall charger can hold four of them so doing the math that's carry the six that's a lot more than 1,800 milliamp hours so I'm just I don't know okay we're at is that that's good or not bragging time does anybody have a larger battery than I do this is the this is the 11,000 milliamp hour mugen or mugen power battery and if you want to compare it to okay the iphone 5 because everybody knows the iphone 5 it is this much thicker but it is it is not much taller and this will actually give you five six or seven charges depending on your battery life and the final question there's one interesting one here and then I'm going to hand it over to Joe Ahmed says 920 this spring or the 928 or the nokia e OS my personal question is if the Nokia EOS becomes a reality beyond rumors I will definitely go for the nokia eos even if i would have to wait until autumn to get it so if you guys have any other input on this hands off yeah I time I'm in the same boat i don't think i can offer an opinion yeah I would but to be honest I haven't even really kept track with the EOS rumors let me know that Tony is the nokia eos what is basically the real nokia pureview on Windows Phone which would be the 41-megapixel camera 19 20 Oh is having a baby and everything within the super awesome phone which would be my daily driver um we have a challenger here as it I'm afraid I'm gonna say it wrong but donessa um she said I'm gonna get help for this but Mike my battery is bigger than Tony's basically solution show me yours I'll show you mine Tony well why don't we go ahead and turn over 22 donessa then I know she's been on the show before but really quick show us your big battery and why it is better than Tony's while she's getting that and we're waiting a Joe I didn't I don't know if I told you the price this anchor one was 27 bucks free shipping so that's when he never walks 4,500 million powers that's why I got it I was like for thirty bucks ah it's hard to say that that would lose much yeah Vanessa unmute ah you just had to come alive haha she says it's not the same kind of battery over in the in the chat maybe it's like mine the 7 amp hour battery right there my car battery is bigger than all y'all's my I have a UPS for my TV and it is a battery 0 into have to say that my first hard drive which is a 10 meg harddrive back in 1994 was bigger than your battery yes yes there they are large but remember guys I have a Prius so everyone who's saying my car battery is bigger than yours ah I gotta say that till I get my Tesla Roadster oh dude if you get one get to just so you can go back up I saw one the other day on the side of the street charging and I was like oh I just want to drive it around the block italy 0 all right are we ready to move on our next person then all right I think it's my turn Derek it looks like you are from Canada that is just across the border from me so go ahead unmute pop in and tell us what phone you have how big your battery is and if it's big enough to get you through the day if not how long does it last I got the HTC One and I got three more batteries along with it and plus I got even this which is a little solar panel battery oh nice how do you like that one I don't really use it much because it never worked till like this year I just decided to try it again and it actually did work I got a couple years ago for 15 bucks it only holds 800 2 milliamps well you know and that's what does everyone else have video for Derek yeah I saw video I don't have video yeah Taylor whatever that's all right Elvis slump over know my corner I'll tell you a picture after okay so that's just go off on a little bit of attention I won't go to diarrhea Tony so don't worry about that people think that you know you can slap a very small solar panel on something or even a solar panel that's transparent on top of a phone's display and have that thing just run forever and ever and ever and free yourself from the man and you never have to plug in again on people don't realize that solar technology especially the you know the flexible kind that you need to be more durable and thin the thin film technology that you'd have to use in these applications is not really really efficient you have to have a somewhat large battery in fact you know what I'm gonna make a lot of noise here this is my solar panel but I can see that that is make sure i'm not lying here this is 5 watt in direct sunlight that's very cool it takes a long time to charge up yo I'm not hijack this for just a couple of seconds and I'm gonna come I had this exact conversation with a friend the other day why don't phone manufacturers bring on solar charging for smartphones and I have a question for you guys where is your smartphone when you do not use it which is probably ninety percent of the time it is either in your pockets in your purses in your drawers on your table so outside of direct sunlight or any other direct light so that will probably he'll the purpose go on theatre that is true but solar panels would probably change our use habits and so I mean if your mom's good luck we'd be like this all the time looking for the Sun like the charge on a full charge my phone now now that said there has been a phone with a solar panel on the back I don't know if it was you Joe that was on a podcast with me or it was if it was Hymie but it was one of you too um but we talked about the Puma foam I can't remember who manufactured it but several years ago there was a phone called the Puma foam and it was branded by Puma those athletic sports athletic whatever the brand of sports equipment and it had a solar panel on the back and basically you could flip your phone upside down and lay it face up or I guess back up while you were listening to music and it would hold its charge so if you were using the phone at all if the display was on the solar panel in the back would still not really do much so it was kind of say come say Jim I don't know how to pronounce that that's right Cesare Cesar but yes it was a puma phone and solar panel really didn't do much it was there for marketing I guess if you were using the phone it might be able to maintain it maintain the battery but it didn't really charge fast there are a lot of different external alternate power sources out there um there was a little dongle that you could plug into your phone's micro USB port or at the time I think was mini USB and you could charge your phone from the ambient unused wireless signals so if you're in the range of our Wi-Fi network it would pull that energy in and just trickle charge your phone so there are so many different things out there but the reason that we don't use them it's because they're not that efficient so then they are not efficiency even even the the processors it's all about efficiency making things more efficient has been and will probably continue to be the focus of manufacturers into the indefinite future we just hope that battery technology will start catching up and make that leap and supercapacitors uh you know nanotechnology graphene and whatnot that's that's interesting that's neat will it be adopted as the next lithium-ion or lithium polymer I sure hope so either that or something else and I hope it's soon I'm the report said that they were in talks with some manufacturers it was a university that that discovered the technology and they were talking to some manufacturers but even then we might not see it for three four or five years the university of utah decade or two back came out with cold fusion and it was all the rage hey cold fusion cold fusion room temperature fusion woohoo and then it was fake so no but reproduce it so why is Ben not the case here but yeah this has been outed twice in the past six months by two different universities mom was in Korea and one was I some University I don't know where somewhere in the States we only have two or three universities in the state's yeah right it's one of those all right so I think we're still talking with their pic so sorry again uh it's chronic today let's let's turn the mic over to you do you have questions or comments for us either on topic off topic that you'd like to either share with us or have us try and answer for you not too much you think they'll make a big phone like a thick thick phone that'd be tough and big battery would actually good specs at any time um my thought is that's going to be a niche product yes we will have them there's probably some of them all out there today although I can't think of any names off the top of my head but they're they're designed for and marketed for those people who need very very durable and hardened devices whether that's field technicians whether that soldiers in the theater or whatnot that just have to be durable they have to be tough and they have to have a long battery life because they don't have the ability to charge or maybe they have even more power demands than what a normal person like you or I would have is that going to bleed over into normal people like you and I probably but not not it we're not going to see a civilian version of that device for example it's just people are more interested in in thin and sexy and right now at least in the US the carrier's drive what those specs are and people just don't want durable that's what you buy your big thick otterbox case for to slap on your phone and make it look ugly anyway so yeah that's what i do i drop my phone probably twice a day no problem all right Cooper I honestly don't care like I just I treat it as I'd like to like said I want to be watching over every second I like to just because I like I'm if I go fishing aboard my dad's boat I just have to if I have to all sudden do something I should have to chuck it to a side I can't deal with my home plate down nicely and then go help someone I have to okay it phones nothing right now yeah a little fun story a friend of mine just came back from boot camp he's a new marine not accustomed to carrying a cell phone with him since he can't carry one in boot and I told me a story about his galaxy s3 i believe it was i he went hot tubbing in his jeans and forgot that he had a phone in for about 45 minutes or an hour so it was all kinds of crazy but it works to say he needs a new phone all right well thank you very much Derek why don't you share with us how we can get a hold of you on Twitter Facebook Google+ however you're socially connected I would and I can't even remember what my twitter handle is because I don't tweet anything I've never tweeted anything yet so not really going to hold of Derek just uh let us know and we'll track him down boy hey sound good all right thank you very much for joining us Tony do you have any more questions or comments from us from I have just one comment from from YouTube it's a question he says HTC this label screen on time and battery stats yes that is correct you cannot show screen on time on the HTC One stock unless you have a specific third-party application which monitors your exact battery usage but HTC was slimy and you cannot see how much time the screen took from your battery and with this I'm gonna hand it over a bigger yes yes how convenient all right um I'm gonna have to choose gosh is it Missy me see you have to unmute yourself or just right I want I'm in youth in for one second before we go on the book done do you do you happen to have sold your your audio problems because if you have I think so yes my dear you know how to bog down now and we'll talk to me see and right after this thank you thank you very um yeah I can ask you first a question this is more for Joe and Tyler because they have the nexus 4 I yeah so this pattern on the screen like very well i think is the touchscreen but i'm not sure like a diamond pattern under the glass yeah that's your digitizer correct yeah you can see it real real visibly in direct sunlight it just kind of reflects off its really kind of cool it's kind of pretty if you ask me but yeah that that is the the digitizer layer of the screen if i understand correctly there's there's my nexus for now oh nice you got the the yellow of I've got the carbon fiber yeah I was your suggestion they sent me to just because silly apparently the adhesive they're not happy with but it's stuck out of the good for me yeah mine's fine if I didn't if we get that question answered for you yeah I think and we saw hard to find accessories for this one in Romania um I have a case which is I don't like it that it makes it thicker and horrible as I just took off right there I carry mine naked most the time yeah I want one of those I have a bumper for it to which is my bumper broke so did your original Nexus 4 shut that hey that is currently at LG right now and they may be fixing it for me so nice I just realized that I saw your pebble I'm not even wearing mine Oh Jan I sorry diary again Tony I'll taking imodium afterwards shooting a new band right there about the pebble we can understand that yeah I got a really nice band for mine as well I couldn't find it i read your blog post the one to the local watch shop yeah yeah they called me and apologized and offered to install this band for me free of charge as a way to make up for it but you know not in Dixie roller yeah 3 minutes less than that but yeah you have any more questions for us yeah I recently when I got the mixes for uh I was fascinated about NFC and all the things you can do with it and I start thinking about how could it be to have your laptop with an area that NFC because I stay like five or six hours a day on my laptop and ipod my oh there's my energy yeah but not an NFC tag like you just put your phone may I sit it on your computer and make my first up through NFC well well you don't use NFC to transfer very large files so what it would do is that NFC would basically only either instantiate a ad-hoc connection between the two or a Bluetooth connection right then it would but the problem is that you can already connect most computers and phones through bluetooth and ad-hoc isn't that difficult if you use something like Wi-Fi file explorer pro or air droid there are a lot of different applications out there that allow you to send files back and forth through a file system i was like i'm too lazy to search going to blow to the devices and then connectors have weight onto a minute I do have a question for you though I'm you're using the nexus 4 how does it last you in battery life since this is about battery life I think I have a splasha eat when I get home from school is like fifty percent I never come home with less than 50 per se and there's not yeah and then I play for two hours shadow them and then Angry Birds and then whatever can I stop doing my homework and yeah now it's a 30-percent and I played half an hour is mine right now it's it's not even powered on I'm one hour 19 minutes on battery and I'm at eighty-eight percent but I keep mine on a one of the little or be chargers for when I'm at work and then here at home I'll unplug this and show ya I've got my my energizer big hunk o Qi charging pad Oh or chain or I forgot how to pronounce it already cheap yet she um yeah I don't know about my nexus 4 i've forgotten my battery life because i'm using this little facebook phone here um but yeah it's okay so tell me this would you rather the nexus 4 be slightly thicker with say 400 more milliamp hours 600-800 a thousand Lauren powers or would you rather it be or maybe even have a removable battery yeah I like the thing with the removable battery just because I am so scared of dropping it that's why I have that case which I hate it yeah be sure that when I yeah it doesn't break oh these these little things are great they go necessarily protect the glass from shattering but you don't know if the glass is shatter do not so like I said in before it's kind of out of sight out of mind you don't really know well not only that but it also protects the glass from getting scratched which a scratched piece of glass is much more likely to break then an unscratched piece of glass oh so it's going to resist breakage that way and I got mine particularly so I'd have a better grip on the back that back glass is very slippery so it helps me hold it in hand yep alright so do you have any more questions oh go ahead yeah I just wanted to say that you cannot find those romania in romania I searched for one yesterday and it was thirty dollars on the shipping from UK wow yeah and a question for anthem yes please with that giant to battery power did you have two days and I have actually not managed to deplete it I am right now still running on the first charge and i will show you right now how much I have looking like my camera on myself this is what I have right now it is saying forty-six percent after two days and four hours criminy come on that is exactly why we need removable batteries on every device if you want to do that you can if you don't also need any pants I couldn't carry I would need a belt clip well I oh I thought it was because you got so excited about it oh whoa we're taking it out of context there a little bit I am carrying this one right now because I'm testing it and after right as this I will probably only carry twice a year Aoife and mwc that's where the days never seem to end okay if I forgot about that don't need to get my passport oh yeah do we have any more questions bogdana no I just wanted to show you a screenshot of my battery it's a two days and seven hours and what is is your screen on time I screen I'm tired I don't know it doesn't stay in percentages like little daughter back go back yeah theater that's screenshot this out the screenshot nevermind ramaya text I make sure to check for this video it was probably like two hours no more than that yeah that sounds about right yeah phones can last for days and days and days on standby it's only when you start you know turning the screen on it actually using it that your battery goes down go figure yeah finally my left home before the nexus where I had the galaxy gio low-end phone and after I wrote it it and I put custom rom is that I have two days standby and when I turn it on I just leave the screen for half an hour or something man any drain out completely it was a weird whole battery life only we have to move on really we really have to move on and we thank you for joining us and please come back next week okay tell everybody when you put our facebook google+ wherever you are I'm not really that social but you can find me on youtube as Max of nuts I do some video projects and funny things awesome or you can find him every week here on pocketnow life thank you very much for days and before we head over to which is I think my turn I have one question for for Joe and theater from YouTube please try to answer this within one minute the questions are art it's a simple question rté CPC says what about the battery life on the babble I get three four days usually but I get a lot of notifications so that's probably why I'm sending a lot of stuff that you wouldn't normally get on your pebble to my pebble through if just then that triggers and I'll code all kinds of other stuff so my usage for my pebble is really really high so I get three to four days of battery life I'm in the same boat i also have if this then that via pushover that's my conduit to get all my if 12 notifications yeah thank you very much that by the way i spent i don't know how many i'm probably up to 18 20 hours on if calm setting up rules and stuff so if you've just ruined my life with efficiencies if nobody knows what i'm talking about wow that website if this then that is I ffffff whatever calm I have TTT there you go it's a little back to the question I'm also a very very heavy user I will get a notification sometimes three or four every few minutes but I get at least three days out of it I usually charged up about every three days the most i've gotten is actually the last time i had to charge i got five days and that was because I found out that I don't know if it was in there before but you can turn the notifications off now one minute guys oh gosh oh gosh I'm only reason that I'm getting worse battery life now is because I've installed snake and Tetris on that level there was a bug in the iOS app that was causing a battery life to be a bit lower it was between one to three days for people connecting to iOS they have if i read it right they have fixed that and i think the app is available now to put on your iphone either that or it's awaiting approval so if it's an iphone question about battery life that has been fixed and you'll either get that update now or shortly oh my god the bucket now life just turned into a dog dancing contest I can always a dog though over Jesus thank you very much if you guys have questions on YouTube make sure to post them in all caps so that my old eyes can spot them within the ever-moving comments and it is my duty to love as as much as I love you to join the hangout and loving the recurring ones so right now I'm going to hand it over to the most living things within what a thumbnail which is hi Otto Devon and a probably dog or cat it's it's a small thumbnail some herbal you it's a verbal it's a cute little thing so please it's a Tribble look at that Hey hi there what is that a cat a dog or anything living thing it's a dog it's a it's a shih tzu it's Manny it's a shih tzu and its many and what is her daily driver um elite collar couple colored pebbles collar we're going to a pebble collar and it will track how much you walk and then do nothing okay and he also record via GPS I don't think we can track my gps well wherever I do is nanny is like he loves me so so it's easier it's easier to track hayato funny ok guys do you want to talk about better with life or anything else you know my battery life why not let's talk about better life what's your your better life maximum your your average or what would you like it to me well I have a hard time getting a whole day I have very hard time yet through a whole day on one charge of my next this for but is that because your usage or is that because of the way the nexus 4 is built I I would say this because of my usage I me I'm I'm very very heavy on my phone so if I tweet something he retweeted like three seconds later so he's his screen time is non-stop ah ok if you might have an initial setup for that same i'm always on Anna I'm always on either tweet bottom I computer or Falcon on here so I pretty much see everything so hi Otto or hate Oh mmm what would you give up for a better battery life would you prefer your nexus 4 would look like this Frankenstein thing or would you prefer it would be slim but still deliver you the power need I don't know that I could have my phone as thick as you know two years but a little bit thicker sure a couple couple millimeters so that will broaden escalate into a couple of hundreds of million powers more yeah I'm sorry Jo Jo theatre you were about to say something oh I was just saying it's like taking a call with this box look at this if I lock my camera on myself right talk on the phone on the street look at this thing I mean Norma's oh but the good thing is that it has a kickstand so whenever I need which is never to prop it up I don't use it's ok you can prop it up on the table and lay your head down to it so you don't have to hold them up because it's like what eight pounds that is that is correct it's a few pounded at 55 ranks which is to work up at this time whatever you reach out to your ear you're working out see Jaime he'd be deliberately adding weights to that just so he could you know his daily workout and it's fall into a dumbbell exactly ankle weights oh hi oh hey though how do you say our name it's hi Otto hi Otto would you think that the same phone with the same battery would last more if it was running Windows Phone or iOS it's been a few years since i've used iOS and I've never really had extensive use of windows phone so I can't really say honestly if I were to guess I would say an iOS device would last longer with the same size battery as the nexus 4 yeah I would yeah mainly because one the processor technology and screen size and to iOS is just a little more efficient as far as battery goes especially in standby it doesn't have widgets and it doesn't have all that fun stuff that are updating on your home screen and can do all kinds of cool stuff on your home screen either so you know I only have one widget though on my phone I mean all I use is a what is this the weather Anna I've got this weather widget I came here which one that is a whole lot of beautiful widgets no I in the sky high in the sky is what the face looks I don't like I in this guy but yeah and I have one home screen that's all I have so that I mean nice no I don't have but you can that's the nice thing about android is you can or you don't have to right now I've got one home screen and it's all of my friends on Facebook I'm so ready to be done with this facebook I want to ask you something because us guys don't mind carrying a huge phone because we love our work up but what does a lady say about a huge phone do you prefer a thin phone with a less longer battery life or would you prefer a thicker phone which would last you through one what I half maybe two days even if you're snapping a lot of pictures which I know you are because you're a photographer and I know you're not snapping with your phone but for the sake of the argument pretend yeah I dont still take pictures with my phone but uh back in the day for me my dad used to give me his old nokia phones you know no that was brought over they were about bigger than that yeah and i never had a problem holding those so if i could get longer battery life out of something that's slightly bigger than this but maybe not as big as what you're carrying around I feel it oh this is the big I mean this is just let's just compare it to the other if neither is this this is locked my camera this is how big it is it's just four times as thick as the iphone also does pictures of the smells like because mine's a 3.7 here's a cat too here's a hearing to the cat my battery compared to my dog love these real life size comparisons but i also love tell tony do you want me to go out of the backyard and get one of my chickens heard of the chickens I got a snake I can beat you it's not big it's like eight times as big as the iphone sup big ok guys do you have any spinal thoughts or anything you would like to add I think I'm pretty fried after all my animals healthy paddle uh not really i'm just glad i could be back in here again cuz i've been yeah I've been working lately so it's kind of been getting in the way of this and this and this it's good to have you guys back and you're officially holding the record for for the most living creatures in one from nail so if anybody gets up that please do that on the pocket now line so I'm going to switch my camera over to you and this is where you can find the high Otto and Devon there's their twitter handles droid age and DV do i always mess your twitter handle all right but that's my Eastern European accent so thank you very much for joining us and we go back next week we have to work on your your southern accent Tony I think I can handle that but then again i talk like granny so i totally sounded like a southern belle also thank you for joining us I didn't mean to interrupt thank you guys and I know you do come back every week and we'll try to talk with you as much as possible we love you and we also love the new guys so we'll try to eat a balanced hey care yes I would I'm gonna throw it over to Joe not before i read a question why does Taylor Martin wear caps every time I'm thinking he's referring to hats Joe can you answer this ah yes as hats were awesome and I feel like I'm left I left my fedora in the car so sorry sorry I would do it alight you Taylor do you have any idea why you wear hats all the time I do before I started a pocket now I wore a hat maybe two or three times a week and I made one video for pocket now and I didn't wear a hat and Brandon text me as soon as I uploaded it is the minute I uploaded it and he's like where's the Hat and I said I didn't wear it he said wear the hat so there it is but over the head it's within your job description to where every video or every bublik appearance apparently and I think I'm just gonna go find some crazy crazy hats and just start wearing those like a chicken hat or a Pluto hat I got those bunny hats which also clap when whenever you you pull the strings yeah I'll find one of those um what are those the with a little thin on top of our beanie hat ya hear from the super Carolina right so you can wear a beer hat anywhere beer hat let us move our dude a final final round of our kohls final call for Joe and then final goal for for Taylor and then I'm gonna wrap it up ah I already talked to you denisa we love you you know we love you but speaking of hats let's go it I cannot even pronounce your name but you're wearing a clown hat tell us your name and what what phone you have your battery life and if you would like to trade phones with Tony so you get 6400 milliamp hours and by the way I'm soon getting a hold on just one second let me check my email I am soon getting a ninety three hundred million power battery for the same phone so yeah that's gonna be interesting but back to you every or even whatever you say your name is Bobby abhi hub hi well then that's it that's not what your tag says but ok have you go and how do you say it Oh Bobby Bobby Raj I'll be okay I love you do abhilash okay all you guys go ahead are you envious of Tony's phone and the superbattery er well I actually owned a galaxy note 2 all until a couple of weeks ago and then I wanted a better phone from verizon and since they're not going to get the HTC One I put it on craigslist for six hundred dollars and a person gives me a brand new ipad 2 with a fifty-dollar case and three hundred dollar cash for my note 2 so I'm like take take my note 2 I don't care so now I'm rocking Galaxy Nexus which is terrible all right do you need any batteries oh I get four of them but it doesn't make it through like oh four hours of my usage so tell us about your usage what do you do with your phone how long do you have the screen on and why do you think it gives you such a short lifetime and also what Galaxy Nexus is it is it the timer unfortunately custom I problems because I'm I have verizon and I'm when I'm one of those grandfather unlimited it up people so just to put my users into perspective um I use an average of ten to eleven gigs of data myself every month Wow oh yeah so joins pretty quickly I can watch videos can watch netflix so I was thinking I just ordered a droid DNA from amazon oh I don't know about the battery life I mean that's a problem with verizon that i can't get like one it's like HTC One from there and so I figured that might as well get a DNA cuz I can't take this anymore this is like I feel like I'm gonna get stone age with this nexus it doesn't put up with my news well one one of the question for it and I know we're coming up short on time here are you running the stock rom on it or have you done a custom rom and if you have have you tried franco.kernel on it to see if you get any better battery life oh I hope not cuz ah this is the only form that I got on and I haven't you did it because I wasn't sure if I was gonna keep it because I was kind of skeptical about the battery life because I heard the reviews that it's not great so this is the only phone i haven't rooted because i'm probably gonna return it i am trying it out it's not for me i'm getting the DNA what are you what are your thoughts about the battery life in there i mean i really like the build quality I'd like to build quality the battery life when the DNA was not that great for me though how's it compared to like galaxy nexus for verizon your opinion I never used the Galaxy Nexus on verizon that's so it's hard to say um I don't know the Galaxy Nexus the the GSM Galaxy Nexus had pretty bad battery life for me as well every home has bad batter lips I don't know if I'm a good one to ask well I have the several actually of the the GSM Galaxy Nexus and in all but I believe one of them we went with the extended battery and that really helped out quite a bit on mine back when it was my daily driver I not only had the extended battery but I also was running franco.kernel and that really helped ah I got probably an extra twelve to eighteen percent battery life by combining the two together oh yeah see the problem i just figured out with my DNA is that i was reading XDA and apparently I'm not found out an update Rockefeller nothing then you can talk now DNA cannot be a lot now the bootloader can be unlocked if so if I get the phone from amazon and if it happened if it hasn't got an update I'm lucky but if it has then I can't with it I can't unlock the bootloader and it's pain in the butt to off or even the developers to find a workaround on this so I don't know I'm actually upgrading or I'm just you know buying it for no reason I well hold out when when somebody gets an update to patch holes that were being exploited so that you could get root and whatnot it's only a matter of time before something else is found and there's another method to route unless you're just so which is that's specifically why allowing people to have superuser permission is is so important because you you can control what apps have superuser otherwise who knows some apps going to come along and exploit a hole that's there and do whatever they want you don't have any control over it that's how we get so yeah if you guys have time i also had one more question yes please well I just so as I was saying I I traded my galaxy note 2 for verizon for like a brand new ipad 2 and 0 this is my first Apple product um because I have high own Nexus 10 nexus 7 galaxy note 10.1 you name it huh and the better life when ipad 2 is extremely amazing i mean ah I mad I had Andrew person but iOS on tablets is actually pretty amazing it works really well and even with the less power on the browsing and most of the things to do on tablets is quite smooth now this is very tricky because if we agree with what you say we are automatically Apple fanboys and we if we do not agree we are automatically Android families so whatever you see yeah because it's kind of better than my nexus 10 which is pretty amazing i mean i can hold this thing to like three days of my usage and nexus 10 gave me like day and a half or two days max yeah my ipad mini i charged it about twice a week and see when i had the the nexus 10 in house that would give me about three to five days of battery use once I was done with the review um I wasn't using it as a daily driver I still had my my phone at the time I think I was still on a Galaxy Nexus but it gave me quite a bit of life on it so it all comes back to just your usage and what you're doing with it you know how the URL never processor yeah I think the only queer a guy how about how about this is all you can't like download applause so there's like no fault system so like support I'm in college and if I need any document to download from my website there is no file system so you do like open Adobe PDF reader and get it in there and I'm just new to the OS so it's probably just me i don't know like work with that like the problem i run into a lot is i can't download zip files there zip files i need for certain things and that's why i can't just use iOS exclusively as well among other things but things among other things but yes not having a file system is kind of crazy for device in 2013 yeah i just hope that key lime pie addresses like daddy issues if they make it like more optimized i mean if you use an Andhra mean you you're right that end reduces a lot of widgets ends up to it drains battery faster but I just hope this like they find out a way to make it more optimized like say I was six in terms of like efficiency well that if they go with Thea the card based interface like I predicted in my article little while back we might see a dramatic shift not only in UI but also in battery life it could have implications one way or the other so yeah I'm with you I want to see it so in the interest of time go ahead and ask one more follow-up question and then tell us how we can get a hold of you if you are on any social networks we want people to know about that I sure one last question all I just had a question that if Motorola can poll on putting a 2300 milliamp hour battery in such a thin phone like why can't other Android manufacturers I mean I really don't care about room or battery as long as I get a three thousand million power battery on ping pong as the very same question right after the razr maxx and droid razr RAZR MAXX HD were released if they can do it why can't anyone else and maybe maybe they were onto something when they said that they put so much time and effort into the manufacturing of the razor you know how you remember how adamant they were about saying you know this thing is extremely thin at the time the razor was a leak released it was the thinnest of phone on the market and they were very adamant about how they manufactured it with the aluminum frame and all that other stuff so maybe there's something in the design but I don't know that mean the closest phone out there I think now is the galaxy note 2 with 30 100 million powers and then there was one phone I can't remember what it was I remember it from CES with like a 40 200 million power battery I can't remember what that is somebody us no it was it was a global device I'm going to try to look that up early so while he's looking that up I I think it all goes back to what people are demanding and we need to make it clear to the marketing departments for all of these companies I want a bigger battery and you need to make sure that you are vocal about it you need to make sure that you know that a couple extra millimeters is and a little little more grams in the weight is not only acceptable but desirable and that information has to be fed back to marketing and to the people that are building these devices otherwise we're just going to keep seeing the trend of a thinner and thinner device that you know if a stiff wind comes along it'll break it in half but it's up to us when we were that were the people we can either sit by and complain about it or we can be proactive and go out there and tell whoever it may be whether that's the manufacturers the carriers or even the people in the store say hey this is crap I want a bigger battery and want longer battery life if you're not going to build that into your phone give me a removable battery so i can do an aftermarket super Mongo battery like Tony on talking now didn't feel free to drop his name because everyone knows too yeah I mean is it on the battery packs the same thing you say even if you don't have a very nice i'm buying a battery pack the same thing as buying couple of extra batteries like the only difference the only difference is you can't just pop in a new battery you have to wait for it to charge so then that's a key difference between a replaceable battery and something like this which will charge your phone three four times that's the big differences this you're gonna have to wait two hours three hours to charge every time the other you just pop it in and go and you're good to go for another eight or ten hours but Taylor's battery pack will work on any phone whereas that extra battery is only going to work on the one that it's specifically designed to work in so there's pros and cons yes I mean I'm thinking someone buying the HTC One version of whenever verizon comes out with had maybe a droid branding via HTC One I might've because I really like to build call you I would choose it over as for but I'm just thinking I'm buying a battery pack for like fifty dollars to work around ratio like low battery I I hate to be the bad guy here but let this be the land I wish to please yeah yeah I mean yeah that's all I had I mean you can find me at on Google Plus which is 0 1 of 2 social networks i use but yep yeah thank you for joining us sorry i missed the beginning or yes please go on uh I was just gonna say that I'm really happy this is my first time on a pocket knife like outside watching guys for like almost in a year and you guys have one of the best reviewers okay thank you thank you on behalf of the entire pocket now see no we thank you very much and thanks for join the hangout have a good we hope you again soon and before we go over to our last call I would like to ask my American friends Joe and Taylor what is a case name what do you mean and I have a question here on YouTube which is Anton's case name is that the family name the surname the first name the last name I think they're talking about the case on your phone oh the case oh this is not good this is this is a battery which is a mugen or mugen power I will have a review of this next week on pocket and another question which is going on x-files territory my friend says derek has a samsung phone and the battery expanded in the middle making it no longer fit in the phone why or how did it happen get a new battery Oh April sense cuz that's a that's not a good thing I'm I had a lady but we're having when i worked at best buy mobile i had a lady come in with a palm treo and you know those things were thick to begin with she came in and it was I swear to you it was at least two inches thick and it was because in the battery door the battery door actually started to bow with the battery itself in the battery had expanded to be actually wider than it was like tall so yeah that's not a good thing a battery could explode if it's gonna build up pressure like that that sounds like gas pressure within the battery that's exactly what it is eventually I when it's expanding like that you're going to run into a problem with shorting inside the battery that's going to lead to just like any electrical short that's going to lead to heat heat causes resistance resistance causes more heat it's a vicious cycle until eventually the battery can literally catch fire it can burn you it can even explode when your battery is doing something like that take it into your local batteries plus or local battery store say hey this is doing this I need a new one they should take that battery from you free of charge and recycle it and dispose of it properly and sell you a new battery that isn't going to have those problems so if you have a swelling battery please get it replaced as soon as you can or talk to the carrier or manufacturer because it might get warranty if it's still under warranty yeah okay thank you guys last question Samsung features multi window does it consume more battery than not having it on I don't use multi windows so much on my note 2 but whenever I use it I do not notice any battery drain Jojo or Taylor Taylor I know you have a note to do you have any notes on that graphically it's going to use more or because you're running two EPs side-by-side Joe might want to correct me on that but I mean logically it would use more power because you're running two applications letting in reality but in reality I don't ever use it so much like I might use it for three or four minutes maybe 10 minutes at most I don't use it for hours on end with two applications side by side it's kind of a convenience factor but you're not going to use it just non-stop so the differences aren't really going to be that noticeable yo yeah i'm going to mirror the same sentiments if you are running to resource intensive apps at the same time whether that's in a multi window or if that's even just in real multitasking where one app is behind the other you're going to burn through your battery faster the way android is set up right now you're not going to notice much of a difference but it's going to be there I'll be it subtle Joe I have a follow-up question how long do you have to run those two applications at the same time in order for you to see a visible drain and battery it's going to depend on the the two applications but it's going to start happening right away you know you are running two things at the same time essentially in the foreground and that's really the difference between multitasking on Android and running the the multiple screens is when you're when you're doing the traditional multitasking on any standard ROM or stock Android the app that's in the background gets a lower priority so it's using less power than when you're running them side by side it you might notice it in a few minutes it might take you know half an hour before you notice significant drops in your battery thank you very much and our last goal for tonight goes to the tailor Martin and he's been waiting patiently since I chose him the first time is it Niecy and I know you tried to correct me but we didn't hear you you were muted it's either Niecy or yeah how was it pronounced yeah that's right ok you got it right awesome that doesn't happen often uh what's up there not much um what phone do you have and what is your battery life like I i had an s3 and an iphone 5 but but he's day and a half of my sold them because I'm trying to buy the HTC One alright so now i'm getting a feature phone nice i was the battery life on that ray doesn't know we've a charger once a month that's how my grandpa was he had a basic phone and he charged it once a month wow that's insane yeah so how was your lecture battery life i charged it pretty to go in the bedroom electric orders still nice always can I be mean how much screen on time do you have okay not much yeah my I bet he's got snake on it though yes I do yeah I do it I'm sorry I second I just had to put it out there I can access facebook from here so maybe awful day long maybe about an hour and a half to our screen time sounds incredible um so how was your battery life before hmm so I mean they then I have max with my ass please this is ok but also story oh yeah go ahead ok yo tell the story I don't mean I went I went camping and I had my three and we went away for four days and because my carrier is a major carry I had coverage there too and over 35 was but four hours away and I didn't receive any calls but my data was all the time when I was getting emails i was surfing youtube me my battery lasted four days ice I wish I could say the same for anything I've ever had except for the ipad i went camping a way by Yellowstone you're so back and I had my my galaxy nexus with me the second day I found out that my battery only lasted about two hours it was ridiculous and that was with hardly any screen on time searching for signal I found out that it was because there were a couple cell sites that were just close enough that it kept trying and trying and trying to hook up to them as as I turned it into airplane mode everything was super happy and I lasted the whole rest of the trip without any without any problems without even trying to charge it up again yeah so I'm searching for signal candy Eve add my blackberry I had the 8830 when I was in high school and unlike the weekends I didn't have to charge it all that much I could charge it on Friday and it would last until Monday no problem using it all day and and then like throughout like days if I had certain classes where there was just no coverage and I in one of the rooms my phone would be dead before I got out of school that day so it charge it up the morning or overnight go to school and it be dead before I got off out of school so yeah cell service uh definitely plays a major factor turn it off when you don't need it yeah so do you have any questions for us are you still there it looks frozen yes he does and while he unfreezes himself we have a follow-up question from Pedro on the same idea of multi window he says if there's more time I meant the multi window feature on but not necessarily using two apps at the same time that much so I can tell you this much the multi window feature is on whenever you long tap on the back button and you can see that the row of icons and if you are not actually using two applications you will see that there's a small rounded thing right there which you can make disappear by long pressing and holding again so I think and I think I'm right it doesn't use any battery at all but Taylor please if you have any more thoughts on this may be very very little it's probably going to be minuscule to the point that you're not going to notice yes it's an extra app that's running so it is going to chew a little bit of processing time and a little bit of battery but very very little I'm with Taylor on this one okey and with this i think we are way way way over 90 minute mark so jolted there do you guys have any final thoughts i'm not gonna sleep tonight haha as usual in the last three nights cheb right I slept last night really well oh thank you sleep under it I fell asleep on my keyboard so I've got homework for for everybody who is watching this I want anybody who's got a portable battery solution like like we've been showing off today head over to the article at pocketnow.com and go down in the comments section tell us the name and the model of that that portable battery the battery size in milliamp hours and just approximately how much you paid for it and if you like it or don't like it and why I need to get a good one or two for myself and rather than buying a whole bunch of them I want to have you guys tell me what you've seen and what your experiences been let me know thinner um well you know which ones i'm using Joe so I'll keep you updated on this one the anchor is probably biased though well I have the dark energy reservoir that I backed on Kickstarter that's coming in the 8000 familia power 1 i'll let you know what that's like once i get it i might review it and talk to anyone about it so that but um this anchor I'll let you know how those some turns out so there's that but other than that um yeah I'm good totally good okay and I think footage shot that that wraps it up for the episode number 12 of pocket now live thank you very much for joining us again we are sorry we didn't manage to talk to everybody we are again if this is not gonna turn into a two hour show I'm doing my best to keep it at 90 minutes but I'm failing big time it's me yeah I'm every time I'm on a show it's like twice as long as it should be joke and talk about this he can confirm this because the pocket no weekly podcast this week was really long and with that I was I wasn't on the United managing editor of pocketnow.com you can follow me on Twitter and Facebook right there and I had the pleasure of being joined today in alphabetical order by mr. Joe Levi thank you very much for joining us you can find Joe at Joe Levi on Twitter joke thank you for joining us has been a pleasure houses and also by Taylor Martin he can follow him at casper tech it's his twitter account right there on the screen Thank You Taylor for joining us thanks for having me and I'm also very chatty on Twitter too so please do follow him and for everybody else please stay glued to pocketnow.com I'm never used to joking about this next week is going to be epic I'm pocketnow.com we will have one huge thing I cannot talk about and another huge thing I still cannot talk about and the third thing is going to be my battery and portable battery charger review so it's going to be a full great week plus Taylor's agency which he's desperately showing me not to forget so it's going to be a huge week and with that thank you very much again everybody have a great weekend and stay safe wherever you are thanks for joining and see you next week bye bye
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