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and we're live opening up the pocket now mailbag answering your questions this week we're also gonna have a quick chat about net neutrality because a lot of news went down there and we've got the top stories from pocketnow.com plus a special guest straps by to help his ring in the holidays at OU human will join the conversation we've got a lot to talk about so make sure you're charged and ready for episode two eight zero the PocketNow weekly recorded november 26th at noon pacific this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables and the industry surrounding them it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and Thanksgiving wasn't just an awkward shopping speed bump on the way to Christmas I'm Juan Carlos bag now editor at pocketnow.com joined as always by plucky podcast producer mr. Jules Wong has gone buddy boy I mean I just relaxed over here at hiatus house which we're both in different rooms and and it's nice to be what in the same realm as someone and you know we'd have a real time conversation just as we had with Rhydon last week well and it's hilarious you guys are actually like owing the bandwidth to try and keep two streams of Google Hangouts Google thinking of a streaming video service going which is amazing but the spoiler that that Jules just delivered in that little intro is that dude hi Otto is on the show how's it go man it's going good I'm still tired cuz yesterday we took an impromptu trip to Chicago to visit another PocketNow alumni but doing all right but some good travels and again I just have to ask you guys all well fed from from last week you guys get your your stuffing your turkey all that fun stuff overfed nice good that's the way to be I in our family Thanksgiving is a week-long celebration of cooking and eating through all our favorite restaurants and all of our favorite recipes so yeah that's cool yeah yeah we spent the weekend in Albuquerque and had a really full house and Lex was bouncing off the walls like every every well sugared and well-fed two-year-old should be well I mean that's the only way a two-year-old should be so the only way it's your fault should be is again you're so grateful for manual modes on smartphone cameras otherwise she would have just been a blurry streak in every photo not being able to lock down that shutter speed so yeah good times for all and we hope to continue those good times into the latter part of this weekend when we're trying to get ready for the work week and we're just trying to stuff this show in so that you can have a little bit of excitement after all that shopping and whatnot if you want to participate in this show would gladly have you want hash tag P and weekly on Twitter would be the best place to leave your comments leave your questions leave whenever you'd like tech related and as always we have this end of the month mailbag that we're doing now and if you want to contribute something to that too you can do so at podcast at pocketnow.com that's podcast at pocketnow.com as well as the pn weekly hash tag all for you and we certainly appreciate it ya know this is a this is the the new structure of the month is making sure that we're getting to that mailbag and having listeners take the wheel more frequently than we used to where it would just be sort of whenever was a slow slow news week you know people people wanted to actually talk about things that's where relevance but hey you know good times we already have a lot of chatter we unfortunately our schedules just got crisscross so we we put up a tweet yesterday saying we were gonna go live so we already have a number of great tweets Jules you've got the actual emails but I think we do have a couple news stories that we want to chew through from the the top posted stories at pocketnow.com yeah indeed so let's just choose through them because we only have a few of these through them the week of Thanksgiving like we're eating them like their food I know but speaking of that if you're trying to get to Grandma's or to your son's house or where but you're trying to run through the through the woods is that yeah the woods over - I don't know but if at least if you if that house was in the 48 states the lower 48 as well as Alaska you had some tested you know the roads they are kind of tough in the salt air I don't know it's like it's like this is how they're testing the thing but anyways like this group did a testing of highway reception on all the major networks and they found that AT&T and Verizon basically traded first place in terms of coverage and in terms of speed and then the bottom two Sprint and t-mobile of course we're still kind of a you know where they're at and you know we've been hearing a lot of narratives a lot of a lot of yelling from John ledger of team oh oh hey we're improving our network or more people and we're getting more speed and we're actually faster the Verizon now so it's kind of this may be that might be true and maybe you're getting all these tests in Alcala conditions or whatnot in terms of just having a good old-fashioned you know high budget you have to go through all these roads and all this network to find you know empirical results I think the global wireless solutions is the firm that did this did a pretty good job in terms of covering all their squares so there you go there you go thank you so we're loosely structuring this week's podcast I thought you were gonna hit the news block and then we'd go back and talk about the carrier's I don't know how I know what's going on with t-mobile man they keep saying they're like super good and stuff and they're still not super good so you just get like a like a team oh guy on the phone and say hey six months ago I was throwing this to you awkward let's save our choice it was great in Indianapolis still but we went to the one plus event in New York last week and that was all of Manhattan t-mobile was really rough for me so it's the same experience I've been having was to print out here like in the valley sprint took a long time to get there there cell tower reduction initiative underway where they were at one point supporting five different wireless technologies between Nextel their actual CDMA LTE and WiMAX and it's still out here in the valley you'll hit one block where it is it's almost literally block to block where you'll hit amazingly fast downloads and then you're on like 0.8 megabit per second CDMA 3G and then you'll drive a little bit further in your backup - what's like we sort of expect from an LTE speed it doesn't it doesn't surprise me that the humongous infrastructure that AT&T and Verizon sort of had subsidized early in the carrier game has now grown to a point where they're more ubiquitous when it comes to some kind of actual usable coverage and there's always that figure of oh that Sprint breaks out of we're within 1% reliability of Verizon and even you know forget the fact that the difference here is more like maybe 10% or something like that the what we're really trying to say here is like what's the difference between a 98% reliability rating and a 86% that's it's a 12% difference but what does that actually mean for you know completing downloads and completing streaming and you know if one if one tests gets moved from LTE back to 3G back over again does it stop does it fail at some point or does it just actually go through I mean there's still a lot of new ones that could be had I think the network analytics in terms of global wireless solutions they said that Verizon had much more network load and that they had older technology so even with those second-best speeds and best coverage so well in high is this kind of data the kind of data that you think actually moves the needle on consumers doing business with the carrier I'm sure to some extent I mean when I was working at t-mobile pretty much everybody would come in and ask you know hey I'm on Verizon I'm on AT&T and everyone look I've a look of a coverage map but I don't know if numbers really mean all that much to the general consumer as much as you know just just an infographic or even Network out a good pretty picture will go for her to be about myself too I'm pretty I'm pretty sold on a picture before yeah you just throw numbers at me like what those excuses where they jump on to a different network just because there's a phone on sale and oh wait it's on X network I'm not gonna go on X network because anymore I don't even think that having special deals on phones really moves the needle much on carriers I think I think the dollar amount is now becoming one of the primary factors and yeah that's where I think t-mobile was was really making their headway on 18 T's investment in their business a couple years back from that failed buyout that's to me I think has been the biggest play the fact that they have been improving their network in city centers that's obviously a benefit but I think subsidizing their their packages whittling down their options and making their plans as simple as possible for as many people to kind of figure out a family smart phone plan has been the biggest win for t-mobile and that's obviously an area that it took sprint a long time to even start competing against they don't have quite the same panache as John Legere does whenever he does these uncarrier announcements yeah and when ledger and like just goes at that there's still just marketing it's still just you know saying that we're the best for and just really when it's our job to really this okay this is the best for this kind of easy this is the best for that kind of user and with these you know parameters so vague and you know we can't cover them all in the best way possible it just makes it harder for us to really say okay this is the definitive network for you and Renata Laporte using the PN weekly hashtag on Twitter just showed his t-mobile download and upload speeds using a speed test well but 257 Meg down 45 Meg up you got a love small countries that's t-mobile in the Netherlands and because that's faster than my home cable connection because that's why they're competing with actual data services and ISPs and carriers in the United States in a capitalist country when you can just have two facto monopolies instead I mean that's fine that's totally great we'll get to that in just a minute now because we got some more news and this one a little bit more on the developer side but we'll just I think we can get through this so Swift we know it has an open source code of apples choice but Google has apparently been working on this more and more as the founder the creator of Swift has joined Google on a software engineering capacity but in any case we've seen a Google make its own repository for what it wants to do with the code and there's also this new branch towards the mysterious fuchsia OS that we've been hearing about on and off and used to be this like Andromeda a kind of operation that we were talking about it was being rumored where it merged Android with Chrome OS and now the main speculation about fuchsia is that this will get Google off of Android off of the Java base that it's on because it's still fighting horrible after what eight nine years almost a decade now for you know just copy pasting some code of saying it's fair use so that debate we're still rages on in the meantime we're not even sure if this will get past all the hoops and barriers it needs to to survive so there you go but Swift's at Google they're really trying to branch out into more languages we have seen we've seen that with Cortland for Android recently and I think people say that it's the best time alive the best time around to be a developer so yeah so what key word do you use hi Otto since Jules isn't gonna throw too high there of us and he's just gonna say that there you go I have no I don't know what the lineup is guys I can't help you segue if I don't know what the stories are what what keyboard are you using on your phone right now you're using I'm using the Apple keyboard on Google keyboard all the way yeah I kind of stopped playing I like Swift actually Swift was the was the keyboard of choice before Google sort of made there's more easily accessible but anymore the combination of Nova Launcher and Swift is kind of just what I turn to one thing that I think it's kind of interesting did you guys catch the story this is sort of tangentially related to this do you guys catch the story about project treble as we go with Oreo forward that because of treble and because of the way that updates are going to be rolled that this might actually deliver an easier pathway for developers to do custom roms so that when updates are pushed that they can utilize the services of project trouble to keep custom roms better up-to-date I was wondering what you guys thought that if that might move the needle a little bit more on some of these non Android one but less expensive or mid-range ER phones that always seem to sort of die on support after a year or so yeah definitely code I mean that's but that's sort of kind of like a like a user done sort of Android one on their own you know like like it like a DIY Android one program may be hosted on XDA I'm sure the other hands I mean if you're talking about official support which people are just it comes with the box it comes with the phone so if you want comfort support from the company you can get it but if it's only going to last a year I don't think they still have to dedicate a person to dealing with the Galaxy j5 prime king edition you know those kinds of things so it's it's getting to the nuts and crannies of all that it having to dedicate even one bit of labour to that you know her to support just well thousands of people but it's it's certainly not it's certainly not the way that project I mean project rebels great in general that's in terms of us that I think will be kind of tricky is Google is putting the crackdown on the implementation of their api's like how accessibility options were being used very creatively for example is a more recent kind of shut down or crackdown so they're looking at stopping apps from miss what what I think Google would consider a misuse of the API so if project trouble only extends into the developer space as a way to kind of create custom roms I wouldn't be surprised to see a Google backlash against something like that that's not really what the intended use of trouble was unless these developers can make sort of a good faith argument that they're keeping their base of users well supported using these Google tools but again they're not going to have any kind of certification process through Google for a custom ROM building because if they want to work with Google's whatever assets they have to serve both sides they have to do software and hardware and it's just because yeah it's not really this really makes sense for them to not I'll do that so we just got another tweet using the P n we I mean we've gotten a bunch of tweets using the P n weekly I don't want to make it sound like you guys aren't talking we're seeing the chatter here like what every seven minutes but um this is from Andrew Wallace just kind of commenting back on speed test runs so with Renato getting what is it 2:30 2:30 down and 45 up in Central Missouri right now I'm cricket well you can have the fast high speed data download 4 megabits per second and 4 megabits upload that's some Screaming fast data I have to wonder plan and what whatever is because already you're topping out at 8 megabytes per second by being on tricking that's their stated speed cap if you're on the unlimited like white plan it goes down to 3 megabits per second so I mean we're not really that's the conceit of a teen teen zone like hey we're gonna you know make sure that you're serving all these people or we're going to reduce the quality of the service so that we can price it cheap but not as cheap as the other as the competition because really why would we want to do that when we can make more money and have less stress on our networks so high oh I need you to get on the phone with John Legere and figure out what's going on alright David I read it I read a speed test a few minutes ago I got 45 megabits down on t-mobile so Legault 1/5 the speed of the Netherlands is what you're saying yeah which is you need to get on the phone you need to figure this ok I'll get him on the Hangout right now I know we need answers to these questions I'm getting 176 dad what project Phi I don't like up the wahoo for this but yeah I mean running that speed test Jules just kicked you over into your next gig though so that was an extra 10 bucks no that's true exactly I mean they prorated so it's like you know a dollar 86 or whatnot yeah great great I'm paying pay more alright let's get digging to a little bit serious subject here wondering which one of you would be more inclined to do a rideshare or something like that as a passenger or is a driver I mean well if Europe I mean in Ebers case this affected both but they had a date have reached that this happened back in October 2016 and it was found out in November by then CEO Travis kalanick he has since left the company but apparently the point man and all this is the firm's security head who was now under investigation and basically they just kept this you know they it was fifty-seven million customers and drivers and that information was names it was email addresses it was not payment info or anything but into up to six hundred thousand of those drivers did get location data compromised so and also their license numbers to which is a huge deal and this has been an ongoing ongoing thing with uber where they've hit in and have treated customer privacy security very poorly and have gone out of their way to run amok and away from regulators by concealing their activities so that's one side of the story and then there's also the second side of the story that Kyoto might be a little bit more paged in terms of Google's activities for Android users - oh sure I mean let me let me pull up the story I want to say I'm a lot more familiar with the uber story personally oh yeah let's talk about uber I mean you've you've written it several times I've used it on a daily basis just to compute when when it's like 2:00 a.m. and the subway systems closed the to think that you know when you're not aware of what's being done when you're just relying on our interaction between you and your driver and then having the company sort everything out you know and then you realize oh it's this giant obelisk that is uber that's you have to be angry at because in order to make the service possible with contractors and all that you have to unload a whole bunch of tech supportt stuff that people don't necessarily have to see and if something like this got out I would understand that they would be a little bit more suspicious of the service so well again it's it's what it's the public facing and the customer relation side of this business so we're talking about Google powered mobile devices keep tabs on you and then through Wi-Fi connections and cell towers they're tracking locations and they're using that data and we know that they've been doing this for a significant period of time to make their geolocation services more accurate what's more disturbing about the uber situation is that this breach happened a while ago and that there was no disclosure about what happened and what information was was leaked and that if if some of these reports are accurate that uber was in the process of paying off hackers to try and keep the story quiet not in you know disclosing that they had been compromised making sure that their users were were safe the hackers had found a way into this data and ubers reply was to try and bribe them to keep quiet about it which seems way worse than when you find out that your your Google powered device is tracking your location which we all kind of know it is because we're using services that rely on our location and Google's serving ads on our location you're gonna see very very of that you know you're specifically opting out of Google's services and yet happen just live by Google's you know apps without those services if you can I think the major problem with that was that they outsource all their you know transactions from out of Google into a third party and that has been collecting all the location data regardless of whatever agreement that you made of Google anyways what I'm saying is the difference is that lets say that third party entity had been compromised by people trying to get into that system and get user data and instead of reporting that to Google or to the users that third party data collection service paid off the hackers to try and keep them quiet that's what that's why it worse I'm not saying the Google situation is good I'm just saying the reason why this uper situation should be more enraging to the public is again every single time a company screws up it's an opportunity to join the conversation with your users and to try and engender some sense of security or good well uber has dropped the ball now a couple times and this is again a service that I've ceased doing business with when I do ride-sharing I do lift I'm sure lift isn't any better secure then then uber but they've yet to fail me in the way that uber has just demonstrated that they can't keep data safe yeah and if they can't keep data safe then I mean in terms in addition to all the judgments it makes on issues such as surge times at JFK when there's a whole protest going on I mean that's I don't know why people why investors continue not on launching money into this thing but it's still it's still alive it's still losing money and it's still a thing so it's still a thing it's still fun no matter how much we want to we want to put it away johaido tell me why is her your favorite ride-sharing well I have a treatment of employees or is it all the data breaches what do you like better I also only use lift when I can but I I do kind of wonder what it'll take to make sort of the general public turn their backs on uber because no matter how many things like this keep on happening consistently it seems like uber is still yeah is still I think they're they're still far outperforming lifts I could they are guys this factor of maybe two or something like that there are they're still on Google Maps as a suggested ride share option and on several other transit based apps that suggests right share it's usually uber that they have it's that name recognitions that kind of you know name that's like great or a powerful in German that's like they're super so and they're just more sleek they have all these other options that make it you know cool they if you want to get a limo a little bit after uber X are either black or nine right there they have more fleshed out options they have more people and people kind of like they have they have more leverage to hire drivers with like introductory bonuses so then lyft has been trying to start to do that but it just hasn't been able to match the pace yeah man this is the person you want to talk about personal driving for just a second or not even person driving let's talk about this country this startup this this thing that I think there's a person called Elon Musk involved I don't know I've heard of that guy and I sounds like he does the men's cologne line right yeah yeah anyway so these things with Tesla going on with its rock it's able to you know spend billions of dollars sending things I've been space and then we used those Rockets it doubts a hundred megawatt battery in South Australia it just got finished with that - so congratulations to bunker and I guess but now when we talk about their electric cars and we're talking about their charging infrastructure and their superchargers you would think that they would have the capacity with all this technology to make a battery you know a charger a power bank for phones that is competent and it's you know works from not nice and you know there's also designed properly because Tesla likes to out its design so I'm wondering if I'm gonna send you the link in the thing you take a look at it and I'm wondering if you're going to be willing to pay $45 for a powder bag it this is a you will gladly spend $45 on a power bank I will complete not spend $45 on a Tesla branded power bank just because it's this but it's a whole 3350 milliamp hours and it has micro not USBC USB 1 to 1 charge like a galaxy s 8 plus I she pad - that's in Lille charge at that rate putting it down on a wireless charging so how fast time I think we were in I think we were in Vegas you were you were talking up model 300 is this gonna be the perfect accessory for your model tree is that this is this is this is the model 3 of power banks I mean are you kidding me it's it's an incredible is that a humongous compliment for the power bank or is that a humongous it's the poor Bank monuments at their studios or offices or something so this is this is supposed to be a tribute to their design progress the thing I like better than this is they've also been selling a supercharger station for your desk where it doesn't actually charge anything it it's a it's a scale model of a supercharger but it just holds your cables in place on your desk there's no charging going on whatsoever it could even put in a USB port something I think it's also about $50 $40 something like that but so I understand it especially in like they're trying to build the brand up is being some kind of lifestyle you know I understand it but this is the kind of thing that drives actual tech fans crazy makes us sound like we're raging against companies when this is a company I wholeheartedly want to support our next car I'm hoping will be a Tesla but these kinds of moves drive me crazy and then someone's gonna buy oo Tuzla they make good products I should buy this like it's gonna be an actual competitive product in this marketplace without doing any research when they're what ravpower anchor alkie Xiaomi my Xiaomi battery is badass there's so many other opportunities to actually fulfill this need that will be less expensive per milliamp power capacity and will get the job done better for actual current smartphone and portable gadget hardware look if you had all the technology and you plugged it in to design a super turbine design and then price they have $45 maybe I understand that but it's it's both pure kind of contempts I feel for just here's a basic product with our design that's that our IP is worth so much that you don't even understand it and that's why it's $45 all right I'm looking up on Amazon right now I just want to get like I mean I like I had a thing on you know jakhary I thought it was like the first thing I saw for Amazon power banks and they had a similar design like power cord 10,000 high speed compact 10,000 milliamp hour battery $25.99 oh uh ravpower sixteen thousand seven hundred and fifty mili amp hour battery pack dual port so this is bigger it's not going to be the same size but $23.99 easy acc I actually have an EZ ACC battery it's badass twenty thousand milliamp hour charger for amp two port four point eight amps smart output high capacity power bank for iPads and other tablets $33.99 I mean that's all ok options but I don't think you'll get the brushed metal and the nylon and the the woven treat maker Power Core mini 3333 50 milliamp hour lipstick sized aluminum premium power bank if fourteen if it's not black with that red stripe and a little black silver stripe and it's smaller than a lipstick container this is not so bad it's pretty heavy but it's 20,000 milliamps and it charges my macbook pro 50 bucks well I mean I've got my my super heavy-duty like actual like gaming laptop powering battery over there and that that was closer to 200 so I'm not gonna pull neck oh oh my god yeah I'm 20 bucks so and that fits nicely into my backpack and I get to charge my phone whenever I'm not using it well it's still in my backpack it's great so um that's food for fart this week you can take that run with it and you can also see full details on these stories and more you can hit pocketnow.com and look for the podcast section to get to this episode's run down you can chat with us about well you've you've been reading up on with the hashtag pan weekly and also be sure to check out how they were there and the pocket now daily on our YouTube channel so we've got a bunch of tweets in here before we get to the sponsor blocked from Ranade Laporte the power but this Tesla power bank isn't even enough to charge a huawei mate lol but then he does like straight line emoticon face like not really laughing but we're thing from David Brown a peon weekly I take lift because I have an easier time communicating with their drivers I think their drivers are higher quality and the ethics of the company don't match mine I don't like the idea of them being sexist and covering things up like this which I'm sure the second half of his tweet is relating to uber Andrew Wallace is considering uninstalling uber and installing lifts I I personally and Dakota and as does hi Otto see you've got the hi Otto seal of approval so it would be solution not to do that thing that I just said we've got Dakota Lovejoy PN weekly I did a speed test on my iPhone 10 running net 10 cell service and I got forty three megabytes where I live I don't know where you live though Dakota so I can't compare that against Andrew Wallace's amazing four megabit cricket connection and lastly Andrew Wallace with a question did everybody get the Geekbench pro app for free it was it was free on Google Play 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you do and one of those ways is by talking with us that's right we're gonna open up this month's monthly mailbag and the first email that we shall go to comes from Abdul wah and he writes hello there the LG V 30 is one of the hottest phones of 2017 and a fair amount of hype is behind this phone but I saw the LG G 6 in my area for 400 bucks and thankfully I was gifted the LG G 6 and it is a great phone my question is now that the LD g6 is around four or five hundred bucks does it make sense to get the V 30 at almost double the price thanks for your efforts Abdul Wahab so I want to hand it off to the person who has the most experience with both phones and that would be Wan what do you think it is LG 330 I know that you've dug into the whole range of issues and topics and you don't want to just distill it down to price but have that if someone's whoa it's gonna get thinner by this much so that's really one of those things so he was gifted and LG make sure I got this right he was gifted a g6 yeah considering buying a V 30 and he's worried about the price on a g6 versus the price on a V 30 is because we want to sell it back on the market and then right so first of all I don't think it's super likely you're gonna get $400 for you yeah there's so many different sales on this thing and they're pretty easy to get like great deals on new ones that you're probably not gonna get much of a trade in s so so here's the deal V 32 g6 basically every piece of the V 30 is better than the g6 except in my opinion for some of the design some of the aesthetics I like that the camera sensor is flush on the g6 I like the g6 has flat sides which makes it easier to hold on to I like that the g6 has a flat front face which makes the screen protectors way easier to find and fit and that I personally like that the g6 is a little bit smaller every piece of the tech though is gonna be a little bit better on the V 30 here in the United States we didn't get the the g6 with a DAC I'm not sure if he got gifted the g6 Plus which I believe does have the the quad DAC if it's not that version of the g6 then the V 30 easily has better headphone audio screen tech you might like the screen tech better if you like Oh LEDs / LCDs the processor is definitely a nice improvement if you're trying to do some gaming on your phone although if you're not doing any gaming that welcome 821 is gonna do you just fine and the camera on the V 30 is a nice step on even though it's the same sensor size moving over to that glass lens element definitely delivers improvements to photo quality I just posted a photo of my daughter from the V 30 we were riding in a bumpy shuttle to LAX she was backlit and I was able to use manual focus to nail focus on her eyelashes and it's sharp it's a great look so you know backlit toddler and I got crystal clear focus on eyelashes I could not have done that from any other phone that's a V 30 trick right there I would say take the free g6 and run it into the ground that's my opinion use that save up for next year's phones and then you know you I think you will be in store for a much more substantial upgrade going a full year cycle rather than the half you know the six-month cycle of g6 2v 30 what do you think hi Adam I'm kind of in the same boat I mean if if we're just talking more general and just assuming that maybe you know he's not even talking about himself having the free g6 maybe just saying you know asking in general is the g6 still or I guess is the V 30 a better buy than the g6 at almost half or twice the price for twice the money it's really hard for me to recommend buying almost any phone because the g6 is already g6 is already a pretty good phone and I agree with you the p30 is better in almost every way the 30 is one of my favorite phones of the year I really really enjoyed that thing but for double the cost unless the unless manual video controls are really really a high priority for you I don't really think it's it's worth spending twice the money on what do you think Jules would you take the the g6 in hand or would you try and flip it and grab that V 30 I mean if I had the so if I were to assume made me like a 200 $250 trade-in value then maybe I would go for just biting off 600 bucks and just trying to see art well yeah 600 bucks or so and playing around with something that might last me a little bit more because I you know I tend to think of these days as games it's zero-sum so that we're already starting off at a base level by just having the g6 you know in our hands for free and if we don't if I don't feel that I'm getting the most out of it if I'm not feeling that this might get the most the best supports come two years down the line then I might just figure that I've been hearing great things about the be 30 and write the vacuum I agree with you Jules that like if you were buying the phone and you had the g6 you were looking the V 13 you the best sort of upgrade path and I think the v30 would probably fit that bill but but you have a free g6 in your hand right now do you go to a phone that is a small step up in every tech bullet-point this year or do you wait for a g7 or a v40 next year having ridden out that free phone for a little while you don't care about like the operating system upgrade over one year you can flip it then probably still get close to 150 $200 for it and look at next year's tech instead as you'd be paying closer to full price for all those things after even more depreciation the sceptre point the depreciation is gonna bottom out you know like you you can still find like note for gonna retain its value that well but you're still probably gonna get around 150 200 for imagining is just gonna keep on going exponentially down in one day the g6 like next to you know just be like 20 bucks on the suavo it's it's like a limit curve you know it just keeps increasing approaching zero but it knows her as opposed to this opposite limit limit curve that everyone else seems to be on lg's like this so I mean it's I mean it depreciates fast from the beginning and it just seems to barn up earlier than everyone else so yeah that's a chart on from swap that G sixes are currently going for 245 if they're t-mobile 250 if they're sprint 285 on Verizon and 300 for the AT&T variant so why I would be willing to say I would eat 50 to $100 of current value on the g6 to shop next year's phone that would be my recommendation interesting recommendation of course Abdul it's yours to design hopefully we help you just a little bit here I want to move on to Wilson on next who has a question about the HTC you 11 plus and I feel like we're gonna have a very quick answer to that but I think this give us some opportunity to talk about the 11 plus I don't think we have just yet I've been along a venturi says to the podcast and even an even longer reader of the pocket now site since the Windows Mobile days my question is will the pocket out team be reviewing the HTC you 11 plus I especially look forward to quads real audio review of that you 11 plus oh hi Adam what do you think about pocket now reviewing the I'm sorry you're on this mailbag where we're not throwing to you at all on this stuff do we even have a you 11 plus in-house I know we did a hands-on with it I don't have one I think pretty may spare time occurred here but I think we might be able to procure one if we had to well yeah I mean literally we could just go out and buy one too even though your budgets fairly well exhausted at this point I am probably not going to be doing any special coverage like a camera or audio review on the you 11 plus first of all I don't believe it's changed significantly the audio side of it has changed significantly since the U 11 which hasn't changed significantly since the bolt and it's a situation I've been pretty disappointed when with HTC formerly I think the top Android manufacturer supporting audio I think they've lost that crown and I've not been impressed with their solutions hi have you spent any time with au 11 + no I wish I had because honestly that's the phone that if I were buying a new one right now that would be my top pick I think it's absolutely gorgeous and really really liked it but now I alex Dobby the ruk editor / Android Central got to mess around with it a little bit for a hands-on but no no no hands for me so I look at the you 11 plus and just especially after spending time with Google's split pixel strategy and that looks like the phone that Google should have released yeah it just it there's something about HTC manufacturing that you can't really get an aesthetic like that anywhere else the U 11 is a fine phone it's not really a phone for me but I could totally see where that phone could have blown up huge in the market if people had known that it existed and I think HTC is in the same boat here with the U 11 plus with a really limping strategy into getting this phone out in the market yeah yeah I mean we're talking about something that is has been the evolution has been an actual evolution towards the U 11 and also kind of the pixel line and it just it's still stuck under this HTC attitude of let's just give this to Europe and nowhere else then that's pretty much it I don't think I don't think they're taking America too seriously which is a shame yeah when I was I was working at t-mobile I was always trying to tell people to buy the HTC 10 but they pulled that off the shelves after three months or so never got the U 11 over t-mobile and I mean you know obviously nobody's getting the U 11 plus in America so us strategy's been a little weak lately well and I can kind of understand why it seems like every major carrier has been burned in some way by HTC not continuing the conversation for them yeah for AT&T it seemed like 18t pulled out of the HTC game after the one a9 there's a terrible mid-range err strategy for HTC if anyone was gonna try and do an iPhone clone it should not have been HTC and then Sprint I believe it was one of them the last Evo or maxes where they started sort of fizzling on on HTC as as a carrier solution and I think Verizon sort of had it with EGC after the Windows Phone uh m8 sort of didn't do anything either and and consistently every single generation of HTC phone has had less user engagement less fan base less advertising less conversation and yet they still keep putting out phones expecting people to pick them up and buy them and I I do not for the life of me understand how any part of HTC is still functional in North America right then yeah it's a bummer for me because I've always had a soft spot for HTC that was like my very first Android phone was uh the HTC Inspire my ATT just there there's sort of Evo port and yeah I really want HTC to do well but there's just not well and I can't take it all the way back to I mean because I'm old I can take it all the way back to like HTC is the supplier for every windows mobile device that I absolutely loved and there's a part of that culture there's a part of that DNA that I don't think they were ever able to truly shake so even when they started branding their own devices like the HTC diamond I don't know they just never put the same effort into communicating their existence to consumers they hit a high point with the One m7 that phone was gorgeous especially for its time and then since then they've just sort of been coasting and you can't you can't grow you can't build you can't fulfill a market and compete against Apple and Samsung in any meaningful way if that's how you're gonna handle the customer conversation no not at all which and I you know leaving them like this I don't know how long it's been a question that we've been asking how long did will they survive another year like that's and how much does have I've really matter at this point because we keep talking about this as this up-and-coming VR platform for them and they're when the if not the most popular platform out there but it's just it's not making them enough money to keep the balance box alive so so we have a couple other tweets coming in backtracking just a bit for g6 question from David Bautista at this point wouldn't it be better just to wait three months for the g7 announcement from Peter hatin I'm guessing if you already have a g6 it will probably do you fine until the next V Series phone unless you really could use the camera benefits on the V 30 and Ed maudlin stick with what you have I'm sure it's a short time before something not iterative a bigger jump will show up and then Eid also throws in a couple other tweets about HTC you pianned weekly you mean you as in usual Bowl and it's bad when even metro pcs stop something HTC that's because they haven't been pointing out the desire things and they only put out one desire triple five and that hasn't been really good why you're wrong that the U 11 I will say you know one of the things that I loved during this is so silly one of the things I loved about the U 11 because I haven't held that you 11 Plus because I hate selfie cameras I hate them they're they're terrible lower quality cameras the good cameras on the back of the phone get good at taking your selfies from the back camera it's the better camera so solely mirror finish was so simple the line awesome selfie shot the whole back of your phone was helping you out that was the nice thing about the xperia x is e1 premium - yeah it was maybe the shiniest back of a phone I've ever seen I mean well the least practical and and again I have a hard time I love Note 4 or v10 style phones I like metal edges and grippy backs blackberry the BlackBerry key one that's that's my like grown-up phone of the year this year so a jewel tone phone not for me but damn it was easy those those rear camera selfies yeah yeah those selfies well one of those ways that those selfies gets to all the people out there through the Internet's and I feel like we owe Hanson the band Hanson no sorry Hanson from Singapore with this tweet here well I'm not sure if you guys have talked about net neutrality yet but if you haven't can you talk about it briefly please I have not got the full picture since I'm not from the US and it's fair to ask this question since a lot of people who don't aren't in the US and are more used to their already existing structures too pretty for the internet or just kind of I mean we've been seeing a whole bunch of examples outside the US from Portugal and New Zealand where they actually and Chile where they have a different structure here we'll get to that in a second but I well I think I would be the most versed in do first on this one cuz I've been known to soapbox on a lot of this stuff too and I don't know I think a lot of people are kind of feeling a little exhausted by this conversation this is the third republic round of people trying to support this policy that the government keeps trying to find some way of doing away with what are your feelings on the current state of the conversation surrounding net neutrality uh I sure wish we didn't have to keep having this conversation I wish yeah it's such an such a ridiculous thing to me at least that this is still an ongoing debate um but you know it's there's all these all these companies just that keep on telling us you know don't worry we're not going to you know the service providers like Comcast or you know phone providers like Verizon they keep on saying we're not going to you know change anything about the way that we distribute content to you we support net neutrality and so on and and you know they've shown historically no they don't they you know they absolutely don't they've already pretty much every company that has said this kind of thing has been caught in the past you know slowing down certain services banning them altogether I think it was pretty well known that I think was Verizon and AT&T that that completely blocked Google Wallet for a while to try and give a they you know they founded Isis right don't forget 18t and Verizon are the the founding members of Isis members of Isis which became the the nice and soft title of soft card because I know what would be a worse name I was talking about the terrorist organization I was talking about the mobile payment solution Isis that AT&T and Verizon created they created Isis I personally think soft card is a whoa I'm not talking about the spy organization in the fictional television show Archer I'm talking about the mobile payment solution that AT&T and Verizon they created Isis something I don't want to go too deeply without just giving one minute wrap because this person from Singapore is asking the question here so basically our legislation the Communications Act that the FCC has operating under there says that title 2 if they had this law that says that no all connections are equal and that people pay a single set price for that connection and for a while under this 2015 open Internet order the internet internet service was protected under title 2 and you couldn't throttle certain traffic you couldn't block certain sites you couldn't do that it was illegal and you know there was a regulation to enforce that and you know prior to that you know it was alright you know it was kind of a light touch regulatory thing that's one of Chairman IG PI's favorite phrases light touch regulatory approach which has existed for a long time but even then one of the main concerns about this was that you know the competition has all has always been lacking in terms of the telco industry because 18t and Verizon would have the this market over here and that Margaret over here and neither none of the two would meet they would all have their own market so in many places only one option for Internet service would be provided and for if one of the companies bought sites or slow down traffic for one reason or another they would have no one else to turn to and they would have to live with that so that's always been the concern what the arguments against it's a G PI has always says that oh there we can't expand our networks and we can't you know grow into the rural population and whatnot so this is why we need to kill title two we need to end this and even though the Comcast and a whole bunch of other companies have said that this title to production doesn't do anything in terms of their profit lines that it doesn't deflective affect them negatively and you know they have to tell the truth because they're reporting to investors they this is still happening this this vote is still happening the order has been suggested and now it's going up for a vote on December 14th so to kill title 2 or not for Internet that is the main subjects that we're talking about here so I think it's pretty clear we're all in support of keeping some kind of title to regulation of broadband in place I've yet to see any compelling evidence that removing title 2 regulations will be a good thing for the internet and this is clouded by a lot of really pithy and really sort of overly simplified conversations people people have left comments on some of my personal videos talking about how oh we don't want to make this like net neutrality is a black-and-white issue and bla bla bla bla bla we don't want to make it overly simplistic but when we look at the the opposition to title 2 a lot of it is built on at best ignorant or at worst a directed misinformation campaign designed to confuse what's actually happening and so part of the part of the reason why this FCC strategy is so successful is the blurring of lines between the definitions of telecommunication service and an information service and at times the internet will function as both but a telecommunication service as defined by Congress is a service which transmits information of the users choosing to and from endpoints specified by the user without making any changes to that user's information so no email from Jules at pocketnow.com to quant at pocket now back to so what I'm talking about her literally the packets that form the backbone of the internet now an information service has a much broader definition the offering of a capability for generating acquiring storing transforming processing retrieving utilizing or making available information via telecommunications so that's why the FCC has been granted I mean through the courts the FCC has been granted a lot of leeway as to what they're classifying as what and there are plenty of examples of where the Internet can fulfill both of those definitions but the regulation that we're interested in has nothing to do with the content on the internet because we are trying to classify the Internet as a telecommunication service so that's literally trying to regulate the on-ramps to the to the Internet not what cars can go on the internet not what destination you can choose on the Internet has nothing to do so if someone says oh I don't want the government picking my winners and losers then they fundamentally don't understand what this regulation is trying to protect people from that's that's the major part of this problem and that's why I Jeff pie is able to muddy the waters by classifying the inner the Internet as an information service solely and not looking at the FCC's regulatory powers when it comes to the parts of the Internet which should be regulated as a telecommunications service and this is where we really got to go into the weeds a little bit and we have to reassure people the government isn't going to be able to say oh I don't like Facebook so let's ban it that the FCC doesn't have that kind of authority and that's not the regulation they're going after but if we allow the internet to be classified as an information service then Verizon and Comcast and other ISPs and other carriers can decide for you how expensive it is to go to individual sites or services on the Internet wise go to YouTube when you can use our streaming service on Comcast Xfinity or Y you know utilize this cloud storage solution when you can use our our Xfinity cloud bucket so this is one of the major conflicts and having a an organization which controls the pipe or the road to the Internet and is also responsible for providing content on the Internet and that's a huge conflict of interest it's a conflict of interest when you have Google Fiber and Google services and it's a conflict of interest when you have Time Warner or Comcast or spectrum or Verizon and Comcast Time Warner Verizon and spectrum services so this this is why having some small way of accountability built into the system is so vital to the future of growth because it's the only way that smaller upstarts can actually compete on the main stage and not just get completely swallowed up by every 800-pound gorilla in the room there's really comes down to who becomes the gatekeeper of the internet because at this point it's still the user it's still you know whoever they can track your data but they can't manipulate you to go to direct redirect sites or whatnot and they can't walk well this is like why that phrase gatekeeper of the Internet is so important because I think a lot of people take that to mean gatekeeper of the Internet then Google will tell me I mean the government will tell me that I can't use Google and I have to use Bing and that's not what this what this regulation will allow the FCC to do and we also have to take into account that the AC FCC is a fairly small and fairly underfunded regulatory agency that title 2 is really only going to be a reactive regulatory situation so an isp is not only going to have to violate the tenets of title 2 but do so egregiously that consumers complain and even then the FCC is has limited resources to actually go after a Verizon or a Comcast so these fights are going to be few and far between but we have real accountability look at this current administration we elected conservatives and now conservatives are trying to gut net neutrality the government is actually responding to the vote from the people however if corporations are in charge of what you can access or how you can access it what kind of influence do you have over a corporation you are you gonna lobby shareholders are you going to lobby CEOs how do you how do you actually affect change at a corporation level when their main responsibility is to provide value and profit to shareholders not to listen to the will of the people using their services so this is another major aspect of who do we want having that kind of influence over the connection we use to get to the Internet not the content we consume on the Internet well I want to go into what the post picture would look like because if this vote goes through it's a three Republican to Democrat board on the FCC so it's likely that this will go through and what will happen so they're gonna do a regular transparency reports and you say what they've done in the past however many days that they've done and that you know and that's you know and what the most important thing about that was that GPI says that if there's any litigation that needs to be involved and you know people think that's not right then the Federal Trade Commission would handle it at all which i think is kind of a sham that's even with the under you know the reality of the FCC being underfunded and what I had the authority to actually go through and you know it had to find terms of what it looked out and what should look out for and why it should enforce we don't have those terms and the FTC if it does decide to do act on anything in terms of a suit we'd have to go through fact-finding missions and deciding what's this and what's that and what's fair is fair so in terms of protecting the companies from harmful lawsuits that's you know but the consumers have a say in what they want it's just gonna be a more confusing process than what is already a confusing process well and also there are significant different i'm een like we don't have the the bandwidth or the the time to get into a deep in the weeds discussion on the difference between the FTC and the FCC but there are significant differences in how they would handle cases of abuse and how they can set policy and how they can respond to the market and their relationship to congress and the senate and there are some arguments to be made for the FTC getting involved in consumer abuse situations i can i can definitely see the situation coming from people who are more libertarian leaning because ultimately i would prefer having a more libertarian approach to the internet however if we just flip the switch today there will be no more competition in this space it will be more an exercise in consolidation especially given the FCC's recent track record in making it even easier for media outlets to consolidate and this was another thing that kind of flew under the headlines it was two weeks ago they could bring forward things two year old rule on preventing one media conglomerate from owning like all of the newspapers and TV stations and radio stations in a local area so that's gone now too in light of this move towards gutting net neutrality this is why the FCC will be more effective in my opinion in managing the situation and owing to title 2 regulations and for anyone who's concerned this would be similar regulatory practices what we see for things like telephone companies and cell carriers it was only through regulation that we actually got improvements to competition and that was you know with divestiture and again you can read up on breaking up mom ha Bell the the current situation that we find ourselves in today I feel is analogous it's a clumsy analogy but it's still a functional analogy to the situation we find ourselves in today so there's a lot of a lot of stuff that's but ultimately my prediction is December 14th is gonna roll around the FCC currently holds a three to two conservative majority because you swing the FCC to support the administration that's in power and I'm pretty confident that this vote is gonna go their way because they've got the three to two majority and then what we'll see afterwards is a prolonged and costly funded by taxpayers legal battle that'll probably take another five years in the courts just like the original Ohio did the open Internet order which again that's all coming out of taxpayers pockets and we're gonna have to deal with that all because the the FCC has been captured by these these major media companies so that's what I see I'm hoping that we can get a stay or some kind of injunction that prevents the immediate gutting of title 2 regulation and that can stay long enough to eventually get the Trump administration out of office so that's that's my if I were betting and I were playing Vegas odds that's what I imagine is probably gonna happen over the next month so one of the weird things that is coming out of this is all the you note of how other countries do their internet now for what we've seen on all these are just like mobile Internet service and not just wireline internet service home internet like that but in many places they have packages for data for messaging but you can have unlimited access to these apps to what's up Skype whatever for $4.99 a month and that's as access to those services that apps are free and it's just it'd be weird to see that if spread out to the u.s. in you know for home service if they wanted to if they come if the companies wanted to charge per app for access to that site or it's just that's that's the implications of these aren't hypothetical there are plans like this that are in effect in parts of the world right now I know a lot of people like to come like oh well what you're talking about is a mobile plan and not a landline or something like that doesn't matter that's really not the concept spread across everything that we have yeah so I mean yeah so that's the fact we're up against at this moment I mean we're gonna go down the line I know you talked about you know it's this is taxpayer-funded well we run the government and we pay to live here and we're kept alive oh I mean I appreciate the fact that it's taxpayer what I'm frustrated is we're having this fight yet again on the taxpayers dime we've we've demonstrated numerous times over over successive generations of this debate that this is the people who are paying attention and the people that I feel you should listen to this is what we want the FCC has actually been stymieing the ability to investigate things like Russian collusion or whether or not BOTS were impersonating real people during this last public round of commenting the FCC did nothing to actually safeguard their commenting process and claimed they had a DDoS attack that that hasn't that they haven't been able to provide any evidence for so none of this is been communicated in good faith and they've been obstructing citizens inquiries into what's actually gone down so again I feel the FCC has become a captured agency in the grand scheme of regulations made all the more frustrating by the fact that you know up until 2015 taxpayers have been on the hook for 400 billion in network fees and subsidies and charges to the major telecoms that was originally supposed to go towards rolling out fiber that was going to be the backbone of our energy grid and our future telecommunications network and none of that's really materialized except in areas where consumers have set up their own the local broadband or in areas where Google Fiber is available to consumers that's been the only appreciable roll out on a four hundred billion dollar multi-decade investment again on the taxpayer dime so I'm kind of I'm kind of over playing this game I I do I do still recommend that people make their voices heard you still communicate with your local elected officials and your state representatives because it's only through that kind of support that we'll we'll see any kind of campaign to oppose the striking title to in the courts if they don't hear that conversation then there's not going to be a lot of a lot of pressure on lawmakers and on lawyers to try and fight that fight and III want to throw this one out there to Maine who is it senator Collins in Maine was the first Republican senator to stand out against removing title 2 restrictions she's the first one to break from her party and I want to throw her a big thumbs up senator Collins and I disagree on numerous policy but if you really do believe in small business if you really do believe in the future of our economy and you really do believe in the United States maintaining some kind of position as a leader in telecommunications there is no good argument I can find for removing title 2 protections and she seems to respect and understand that so thumbs up senator collins republican out of Maine I think you're on the right path and I hope more of your ilk will join you in this debate hey how do you want to go to Maine sometime it's not particularly on my travel list but sure yeah yeah well total hold New England together this is very great yes where I've had the best the best lobster roll I've ever eaten was in Maine you're gonna have a great kind of lobster and clam clam bakes that could be nice well that was that was fun we should probably wrap this show up on a few other comments in question yeah well enough my first smartphone was the HTC Wildfire later moved on to the one m7 loved that phone so much currently waiting for a signal wire for it since I might have killed it yeah and that's if if a company were to do a throwback throne and with current specs Quan your pic OH back home the curtain specs this is a toss-up I would either vote for a note 4 or a moto X 2 with the same kind of like leatherback customizable moto maker kinds of additions my Moto X 2 is still one of my all-time favorite phones hold my note for it I think it's still one of the best phones ever made so still so salty about that one of X 2 not getting the update marshmallows especially because I've got the I have that 18 T version that never did officially get like any significant upgrades on it such a beautiful little phone it's like almost within arm's reach so far but yet so so close any any excuse to touch and fondle and molest my Moto X I mean you could do that on screen well hi out who tells us more I'm trying to get to you Maya well I mean sorry not to sorry did not mix it up much but Moto X T was gonna be my answer as well that was my anyway favorite phone design I think the Nexus 6 was kind of like a revitalized Moto X 2 but it was just not the same feel to me at the same level quality and and it wasn't yeah it wasn't it wasn't as customizable and that's that's something that has unfortunately gone away with the Moto X series yeah the Moto X 4 there's no Moto maker you get 2 color options both the glass and I loved my mother wax to pure edition wasn't the same so yeah there it is I always wanted where you can like hear me rubbing against my beard oh jeez this is good that's good shut up Jules they need to hear me rubbing against my beard shut up Jules stop breathing tools it's a smart okay anyone who wanted to hear like that really great SMR beard rub you you you don't have it because these guys are making noise but still I will say that there's a video ethically gorgeous I mean it's still a flippin gorgeous phone today I would love to have modern internals me think about like the smaller bezels the the dual space it doesn't have the chin speaker this is this is just a dummy space that could have been functional but even in this world of 18 by 9 2 by 1 aspect ratio screens like this phone still holds up phenomenally well in terms of design and aesthetics I'd love to have the rear fingerprint sensor put on a slightly better camera module we'll get rid of the terrible old moto camera app for what they're using today and this would be a baller competitor and I love how the leather has aged it's gotten a little darker it's gotten all marked up and kind of creased and it just looks worn it doesn't look all scratched and gross like glass yeah the leather on the back of the Moto X 2 is what I wanted the g4 to feel like and it just didn't quite the same you know what was close the the brown leather I had the right hand feel it just didn't look right but the the Burgundy there was an oxblood leather back that look epic on the g4 but it a JH really poorly which was a shame like the corners would get worn out and then you'd see that plastic base underneath really quickly and then that looks kind of gross whereas this just looks awesome as it's gone yeah keeps getting it keeps looking better and I'm stuck between the HTC One S and the One m8 because I've like you want to the first thing I saw back in 2012 when they had the 1s was that video where they did the black back plating and that's like ionisation and it looked so cool and I just wanted to touch that thing so and that that's you know I still 101's just repaired specs and with the one I made I mean it's just the standard greats you know metal slab thin profile and just you know just slid easily in and out nice brush metal and it had two camera ports for it's a you know using so imagine what HTC could do again with a strategy like you know they're returning to it next year so we're gonna have to see what HTC does next year but if that works out pretty well I would want that on the One m8 on from Renato Laporte he wants the Lumia 920 in yellow back which to go actually I've got mine red right there it's almost within arm's reach I'm gonna go get it any excuse to fondle and molest my extending this podcast to new lengths man if they if they made the 920 again but with it with with Android Oreo I'd be all over it maybe a little bigger they would put to you stud the Silva Nokia Lumia 1020 but with Android and microSD don't like it I've got my lumia 1020 right over there it's within arm's reach just do the blue 920 though was just what I yeah finished cyan Lumia 920 is still like one of my unicorn phones I need to get out there was an outstanding looking phone so good so ahead of its time I mean I know the 1020 took it to like a like a crazy level in terms of camera tech but the 920 camera was phenomenal - it was built like a tank you could you could bludgeon somebody with it well and that it was super easy it's it's these two Torx screws yeah everything on the inside of your phone I mean you know it doesn't have like the removable back but I bet you I could still get a replacement battery for this and refresh it it's not have like current software to go with it cuz Microsoft sucks and I hate them right now um via the IDI model it actually has a question for us here on twitter using the pn weekly hashtag hi Otto when do you think Sony will actually work with a US carrier again before the apps the rapture or after like will we have to have like a significant portion of the population evacuated into heaven before Sony will do business with another US carrier it's you know it's pretty likely yeah whenever they do it just please don't put another phone in the US unless it has a fingerprint sensor please I absolutely adore the little xz1 compact oh he says the fact that it pisses me off that I have to use like some sort of pattern unlock on that phone yeah yeah ZTE has a thing might light you might want to try and see if you can latch on to their patent instead instead of having to deal with whatever yes thing that you have to deal with whatever and I think in terms of that if it burns that maybe I mean they've been redeveloping their brand so that they're targeting more high-end stuff and that's getting more towards the carriers taste so I want to hope to say sooner rather than later we might see something sony back again although for what it's worth when I worked at t-mobile was there for four years and we sold multiple Sony phones I think in my store as we move maybe five a year I think you get rating that number there yeah well so um the the last question that we've got you're on the Twitter that I want to get to and I want to throw this one to you too hi Otto this is from Andrew Wallace they've heard me pontificate on this question a number of times so I'm not even gonna weigh in on this podcast but Andrews asking you hi Otto what is your personal favorite implementation of a dual lens camera on a smartphone in 2017 do you like zooms like the match sensor do you like the ultra wide on the LG the 1 + 5 t no just kidding this yeah oh so I'm one of those weird guys that I pretty much everybody else seems to like the wide-angle lenses and they're fun for what they're worth but I prefer having having a telephoto lens the one on the 1 + 5 that I use is not the best but especially on the note 8 I really really loved having and optically stabilized second camera it was zoom it was really really nice I had this discussion on a product on podcast last week where even if sometimes I mean even with the 1 + 5 even though the second camera is probably not gonna be as good as the main camera even when you're zooming in digitally I feel better not digitally zooming I feel like even if even if the quality's worse feels like it's gonna be better to me you hipster photographer nerd you just I've been trained over the years to to really not want to use the that you know yeah I like having an optical zoom with with the lens or I mean maybe not optical zoom just optical a closer vocal range I mean you're wrong but it's still friends I guess you know you know the nice thing about a telephoto lens it doesn't bow doesn't bow no I I don't know I so while we could over the saw for the wallet if I'd already go ahead Jules I'm just going to make an argument for the color like the color mono thing because more people's more chances to like do crop in at a high detail and yeah you don't have to do so or you move back or do anything you just stand right there and take your picture like a normal person I'm gonna realize I'm gonna revise my statement say my favorite dual camera setup is the pixel to that negates the need for a dual camera setup it doesn't though but I still I still like I think I think matched monochrome and color sensors is still my favorites first they are sensor implementation yeah they are very good and so I posted I'll actually I'll put up the results now so there's a there was a tweet I don't know if I still have it pinned I shouldn't have have kept it pinned for an entire week that would have been bad Twitter etiquette on my part but on the pocket now Twitter I put up two photos indoors using portrait modes and so one of them is super sort of close and it looks super cropped in and rainy and looks awful and the other one no I don't have it pinned we have something else pinned that's also super old that we probably should unpin by now if you go to the mocking out Twitter you can see and so it was the the Galaxy Note 8 versus the huawei mate 10 and the difference is remarkable in portrait mode indoors I mean if it is lit it's just lit by one lamp across the room it's so and and it's kind of terrible like how how much light gets how restrictive the the little zoom sensors are when it comes to getting more light on the sensor so and the fact that it doesn't crop so the the pixel I think is is better the computational setup is better than a zoom sensor if you're looking at portrait mode but I still think the the matched color and monochrome sensors are the best competitors for that kind of an effect it's late AF it's Holly actually I've got them on my desktop I can I can pull up the photos here give you one second and I'll go into a screen share pictures and show us the rainbow swirls of the Dairy Queen so that's that's the May 10 and again its portrait mode so it looks all weird and cut out and artificially enhanced but this is the exact same distance the exact same lighting take in less than a minute apart from the note 8 ooh yeah so the node 8 in good light is gonna do a better job with zoom because the May 10 uses that sort of interpolated high resolution it's trying to do the zoom trick from the Lumia 1020 it just doesn't have as much resolution to work with but when you're talking portrait modes like that's epic especially considering like all of the vents and stuff in the background like that's that's a pretty pretty a pretty decent representation of that shot and again from the same lighting this is the best that the note could pull off I mean the the attractiveness of the subject notwithstanding maybe Samsung was just trying to blah my face as much as possible oh I'll just avoid taking selfies well but I mean it's also like if you're really gonna use a portrait mode you're gonna want to use it in other places other than like perfect sunset lit you know beautiful background locations you might occasionally want to try a board recipe I could freaking take a pic oh boy we're gonna have a process over here what was your favorite side dish this this Thanksgiving season my favorite side dish you know I made corn casserole for the first time and it's because I do a corn and broccoli casserole it was a you know just corn was a sour cream okay you went you went that route yeah yeah so I do I know because we've gotten all hipstery with it so I do I make my own creamed corn I use fresh broccoli we mix that up with just a little bit of egg some onion I like a lot of black pepper I just I don't know how to do you crumbled up some Ritz crackers on the top of that you bake that 350 for about 40 minutes and it's pretty delicious boy I mean it's pretty look look at look at that portrait Google Hangouts man we're not gonna see we're not gonna see you I don't care it just I wanted to show it off and I also want post if it's unflattering he'll post it on Instagram later I'm sure he's pretty good at that yeah yeah you can always count on Jules for that for the photo last last night at me just halfway through a bowl of ramen just like mid slurp oh yeah Jules are we out of mailbag questions we wrapping this thing up record we can go ahead and put this thing to bed right on so hi Otto I this is the part of the show where I definitely want to plug the work that you're doing cuz you've been doing some killer stuff lately where can people track you down and consume your content until net neutrality is repealed and then it's all well these days I've been on Android central so I don't know if I have like a slash editor slash you know URL but you know how to hand out over to Android central you'll find my work there from time to time otherwise I'm as always just on Twitter you know snapchat don't add me on Facebook but so much everywhere else I'm just high tech Houston that's right on okay folks so this episode of the PocketNow weekly it's over but even though the show is gone the conversation continues on twitter where you can find hi Otto as at 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