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Daniel Cohen of first time guest here the first time representing gear dari hello to you sir hello there thrilled to be here and thanks for for having me on how are things today for you things are things are great so it's great just having a super time with tons of news coming out and really anxious to see the next iteration of all the devices that that we've been talking about that we're gonna keep talking about especially thrilled to be here a longtime reader pocket now so thanks for absolutely no I mean you guys cover have a greater coverage area to talk about when you're tensed like drones and Docs and all of these sorts of things so like definitely check them out if you want to get some accessories on could get your whole tech life round it out properly the beauty of gear is that if so many things apply to it so whatever your gear is that's what we like to cover its gear they do it every day I guess that's why it's a diary like you write it down and it's like yay and I don't I'm not sure if people like actually write in like dear diary how do I get over my relationship with my Garmin I don't know that'll be interesting if it happens hasn't yet mmm we'll see we'll see just a quick note to our viewers and listeners if you are reading in if you're writing in if you're doing things right now that are happening to be coinciding with this live broadcast that we're doing right now you can put in your feedback with the hashtag P and weekly on Twitter and I'll be able to track that down and get your comments on the air maybe we'll start a new thread and see how things are going on in the conversation and if you don't have to be here right now well of course there's always the email alternative and that is podcast at pocketnow.com for all your thoughts and questions and whatnot so with the hole schematics out of the way let's try and see if we can talk Bethan needles we start off with the galaxy X this well we're calling it the galaxy X it's been a long time talking about foldable smartphones and Samsung everyone's starting to get into things now xiaomi Alpo huawei are all trying to compete to be the first went out there and from the longest time it's been a rosy picture it sounds a million sounded like the rosy picture from samsung and they had all the patents out for this centipede hinge that would fold this to this display and well that I mean the folding apparatus is kind of not the problem here it's more or the question of how does how does a display handle now how does an OLED flexible display keep able to is how's that able to handle those redundancies of just going back and forth so that has been the main question and that has led to some doubts here so from the Korea Times we're talking about a product lunch maybe early next year 2019 and this would be a limited run Samsung has been pretty clear in telegraphing to 2019 date so I guess it's all up to whether or not it will make its promise at this point but the price could be fitting of this limited edition or loaded nature of things 2 million Korean Won which translates out to about $1,900 at this point yeah that's gonna hurt and that unsubsidized I'm not sure if people will have to are able to like spread that out over like 30 months or something but it's it's gonna be painful so I want to Center this around the main question here is foldable really going to get people back into the smartphone market again are they going to increase that upgrade rate because we've been analysts and talked about this as a kind of a stagnating market I'm wondering what your take is and either of you can start I think Daniel has something more to say well I mean my question is is you know we've seen we've seen this before we've seen a lot of suggestions of this previously the technology really was there yet but a lot of stuff that ended up turning out to be vaporware and my biggest question is why why do I really want something that is my phone and my tablet especially now that we've got phablets even though we're not using the term that much anymore which really are able to actually hit that middle range why would I want it why would I want it and why would I want it when when the likelihood is that it's going to be not uncommon for some apps to work really well with it and other apps not to work well with it I think one of the things you might be talking about here is the ax on em with that kind of dual play deal from ZTE back when it was two rigid panels I was there for the actual launch of things and it looked promising I mean it had that kind of dual screen mode but in the end it's just two separate displays and when you go back to like the Kyocera echo there's obviously that bezel that goes across the middle of things but there's also just the fact that it seems like an incongruity deal in terms of the user experience in terms of having to carry the phone in kind of its outs you know Eagles spread kind of form so I mean Ryan what do you think where does foldable go on from here okay I'll say the assist device you know like people have been referring to as the galaxy s on galaxy X it's rumoured it's been rumored for a while and I know I know samsung behind closed doors have been showing off prototypes you know at trade shows like CES for the past couple years I actually think a few years ago one of these trade shows actually came the there on stage presenting these flexible displays I think at the time they were calling them the young the young displays right yeah this point you know I think any interest in the phone any real interest in the phones come from you know hardware smartphones enthusiasts like ourselves because the only reason why I I can see people purchasing this device is if you know like it's listen if they're able to come they execute this fall asleep I think people would be buying this just for the engineering like prowess for itself but you know that that rumored price tag when you when you have like devices such as the hydrogen what red is doing with the hydrogen phone you know it really comes down to how Samsung a Samsung because it because asides from Apple I think Samsung has done a great job of marketing in the US you know you see companies like HTC not really being able to make a dent with consumers in the US but I really think what Dan says like why why do I want it I think what I was is you don't know you want it until the marketing team tells you why you want it okay so I I can though I can see not not everyone you know who's follows you know parking our readers wouldn't be a hundred percent excited giving Samsung's track record of software updates so like I said it really comes down to how they approach this phone when it launches with the marketing and you know also what really concerns me even with a flexible because I believe this is also an OLED panel right yeah what concerns me is what you know what materials are they gonna use are they gonna go back to like plastic cuz I don't think like the aluminum that they use now it's really like flexible you're even like plausible to use a little device right so are they gonna do what Microsoft does with the surface book you know like a magnesium hinge so there's a lot of questions to be you know answered and you know what they're doing with the s-92 it's a it's a it's a iteration year where they're playing catch-up so they've got exterior speakers right so are they gonna bring you know some of those features to the device to and you have questions like is there gonna be notch words like where the front-facing cameras going to be put so it's a lot of question marks so I I think the best thing to do is just wait and see and just let the market decide okay sorry no no I was about to say that sounds like a stone soup of unappealing yeah go ahead to continue idea so here's my question so what they're talking about at least at this point I think is is a device that's a seven inches open and four and a half inches when folded down so so great so you get the advantage of having something that's more pocketable that's smaller when it's closed and you get the advantage of something which which it has a lot of screen real estate screen estate when it's open a couple of years ago I might have actually been much more enthusiastic about this before we started watching phones get larger and larger and larger but but most of us are now carrying phones which are a lot larger than we were just three four years ago and we don't have a problem with it so I'd be happy I'd be fine carrying something even a little bit bigger than the iPhone X which actually gives me probably most of the size of what we're talking about here without the additional expense concerns about the hinge concerns about the apps so again I go back to other than the fact that okay Greta can pockets only that's only four and half inches large small when it's closed why I'm really regretting how I stack this show now I really wanted to like tail on to that 7-inch topic but well we're gonna get to that in just our minutes right now I know is like totally it's just you know all this goes you know hand in hand with each other I feel like we still haven't resolved the question of that you know redundancy that fatigue that happens especially if the design allows for some tolerances in terms of just being able to store it and it kind of flexes a little bit while it's in your pocket like is that gonna survive I don't know at least the year like two years what's the story on that for 2-grand it better bit better yeah I'm actually I'm actually gonna go back to my previous point I was thinking about this so asides from you know smartphone enthusiasts like the mean I think the mainstream consumer that will actually purchase this this device are people that are already that are you own Samsung devices like the people that like how big producer Ola panels and also people that the rare the rare the rare hundred people in each state that have a gear s3 SmartWatch I don't I don't I don't think unless they do something special with you know their cameras it's like I don't think a foldable display really gonna win any mainstream consumer over its although yeah no totally it's just that initial wow factor and the rest of its going to be in the marketing machine there a lot of it's gonna be software because again we've seen how this has played out before with like the separate apps or even just androids native split-screen kind of thing going on they're probably gonna maybe amp that point out just a little bit more than they usually would but otherwise this is gonna be a tough one I mean if the folding mechanism is a streamer you know like folding it in half and or it's expense a larger screen I don't really think consumers want that the only the only thing I can see where it's really taking off you know with consumers is if you can somehow wrap it around your wrist I think like that's a huge draw but so just expand like you like Dan said we're already having the norm now for screen sizes is around like average like 5.2 inches to 6 inches these days I don't see why there's a needs this is all the stuff of trade shows from like 2010 onwards like you just go every single year they have the demo tape that has the freaking foldable phones they were fully around the wrist and then that's it that's a Las Vegas for another year so I mean well I think it's I also think it's def a do a got fun arrival if they just slap on you know basic Android who TouchWiz if you don't overhaul the UI for this device you know yeah I'm staying on this topic around abouts but something a little bit more closer to at least our current moment we have rumors lots of rumors talking about the Galaxy Note 9 talking about its camera and how the battery it's large extremely large battery that's not bloated at all by any stress from the design of the engineering inside no not what happened to the note 7 at all talking about that going on there's a possibility that we might see roughly around the four thousand milliamp hour mark as I just said and all this launching perhaps on August 9th we also talked about just a couple of weeks ago about how executive there was an executive decision that delayed the thing by a couple weeks because apparently they will um I think it was the vice president of the group wanted a thinner phone after seeing some Chinese phones that were like all crazy so yeah we have yeah I also heard it was also like rumors also not only this but actually I heard it was they wanted to make it a little thicker so it feels better in hand that's what I read thicker okay hmm interesting I don't know no no no yeah I think they want to I think you're right they want to shave off a few millimeters so that in hand feel is better compared to competing Chinese large number I remember was half a millimeter which I mean we're talking about smartphone we're talking about things that living things even though it's you know huge in the hand it's still very small space when you have so many components stuffed in there and you're fighting for every single cubic micron that goes into it so right four thousand meter for lives and four thousand millimeters for there's a million powers into that space which is said to be huge anyone have any doubts anyone have any lingering feelings right now well I think when the shortcomings of the no date last year was that it to my recollection it had a smaller battery capacity in comparison to the s8 plus but aside from that you know like I didn't really have that much gripes you know after coming off with the note seven the display was solid I always like I was handsome displays look the camera was solid I think my my biggest gripe with the no ii like i said was battery and also long the speakers i think there would bottom firing speakers they were a little tinny but given what they've done with the f sign that's nine plus if they can just refine the no date i think you know um they might have a winner in hand but you know doctors those 2015 have kind of been stagnant so I don't think consumers are gonna you know since it looks the same I don't think they're gonna be rushing out for the note nine but I think it's a it's a solid choice maybe hopefully I mean well Andrew Wallace says on Twitter hashtag peon we clearly I don't know about you guys but a bigger screen is pretty good to me as long as I get to keep using my pop socket lols um Daniel do you have anything to follow on in terms of this look I think at anytime that we can actually see a bigger battery since since battery technology has not kept up with with any of the rest of the technology that we've been seeing I think any time you can get a bigger battery it's a good thing and and you're talking if you're talking point four millimeters you said most of us would end up putting it in the case anyway so slightly thicker phone slightly thinner case all good I mean totally that's totally fine it's just the fact that again I bring up the note seven not to be blind but to be okay so they were working with this amount of thickness and this amount of space in the phone for the battery to fit in they put it in a 35 million 3.5 amp power unit I'm just gonna say that and in the problems were caused to say the least and frames were just a little the little problem you know no smoke or anything but like design engineering firms we're kind of worried about this being okay this is kind of crazy you didn't put enough room there were no tolerances in that space for the battery to swell and contract so now we're going up to another level of power here 4000 million powers and there's going to be a slightly larger space apparently that's why the camera module is being rumored to like go horizontal because that that that's saying that much of that excuse me that much space up to be able to like you know fit everything in so and the worry is that if they you know cutting any thinner than it is right now maybe it's gonna be all that like that point five millimeter it's gonna be all glass and the glass will just be thinner and the insides will stay the same but I don't know at this point I'm still kind of we're Lee watching here and look and look they they they were able to overcome that tobacco debacle they need to get this right if they're gonna do it they really can't afford to actually have another issue with batteries so I'm curious to see what they come up with I think it alright really it really depends on how they optimize the software to I think this is the first year where the models with the Koala comm chips that have been reported to get better the better like stamina in comparison to the Exynos equipped handsets so you know I well what was the capacity on the no date last year I think around thirty five point but no date was around 30 it was it stayed the same I think yeah 3500 and you know it was I think it was averaged you know it definitely not meant for power users so it remains to be seen if a 500 milliamp hour you know difference it's you know if it makes a huge difference but then the day I really think it depends on if samsung has really refined TouchWiz to be less bloated and less you know consume less power but um I I think I think you know in real-world usage I think you'll probably get like an hour and a half I'm just saying an hour Nelson home more than no date correction 3300 milliamp hours for the note aid they all really being conservative right there honestly after that yeah no seriously and that was that note five I think was around 3000 something 3,000 below that there if that's the case and I'm gonna update my prediction and say it'll probably last the stamina is probably gonna be maybe as long as my pixel to Excel but guess it's we'll wait and see wait and see the game for a lot of the news that we do here but hey just a matter of fact the future is coming don't be concerned it's gonna be here let's talk about well I guess it's the elephant in the room just because it's just so huge and it's okay I mean frankly speaking we're in the age of the extra tall to you by 1 or whatever ratio you want to put on it nineteen point five by nine they're doing crazy math on these things but apparently the sequel to last year's mate ten could be pretty darn big so if we're talking about to buy ones display we're talking about a seven-inch display a six point nine inch display I should be more exact at that on the May 20 it sounds like Gundam 820 proud maybe both it could be me twenty could be me twenty Pro we're not sure as of yet people have been kind of SEO exploiting the thing by just putting in me to May 20 promo who knows so um to buy one flat flab let's because they're flabby I don't know to one phablets what do you all think is it time to bring back the phablet or do you think that in our current age everything's just a fact bring it on yeah I hope already like you know even though we've been going up in screen size I think like I don't what's that ask that one weird aspect ratio that every manufacturers been adopting they're really thin a narrow one I think it's like a 2 by 9 note the note 8 is 18 by 9 18 18 and 1/2 by 9 right I liked it better I did better when when these tablets were a little wider because I understand they made it you know taller so it's easier to hold in the hand but you remember like the HTC EVO days from Sprint with a kickstand I like that yeah I liked it when the phone's were wider because it seems much more of a cinematic experience and I find it much more easier to type in portrait mode when the phone is wider so totally that's just dirty or bill it's it doesn't have black it doesn't have like the litter box thing that happens because as a matter of fact if you if you really want to be all cinematic about it then you'd have to go all the way up to two point three five to one and by then I'm not sure if anyone would even go would even venture that far near seven inches I would say if we were to like if that's to buy wine and we work and to convert that into like a something that has a sixteen by nine traditional traditional it feels so weird saying that it's we've been growing up too much in the sixteen by nine age but in any case that that sounds like maybe six point three inches I guess maybe it sounds like six point three inches and a sixteen by nine thing you know I've never been a fan yeah I work with a lot of content creators asides from you know what I do I used to work with a lot of youtubers as well and I don't think anyone out there you know is on the top of their head you know it's thinking I'm gonna film my you know videos in the 18 by 9 aspect ratio it's always been sixteen by nine I think the 18 by 9 aspect ratio is just an attempt by smartphone manufacturers to just keep their devices tall and thin I don't really think people are making a conscious effort to really go adopt that aspect ratio I think a lot of it has to do with how you use your device is your device primarily for consumption and if it is for video then then wider can be really welcome you know for me my device is probably more on the communication side of things and I do find it much more comfortable to use something that's a little bit thinner and a little bit taller than something that's wider so I think a lot of its gonna have to do with how do you how do you use your device what's your main purpose for it are you looking for a something that's primarily a phone or communication device and you use some sort of a tablet for most of your for more of your consumption than not or are you using your you want to use your phone for everything and just not have a tablet at all right that's that's a great point because like that's let's say for example with Samsung what they do with their S line in their note series the let's say the s9 is their flagship device right most people are gonna use as a communication device so obviously I think it should be tall and thin but when we're talking about phablets I think more people are buying tablets as more of a consumption device me because it's easier to type on but also I think because they want to watch videos I think those devices in order to differentiate none from the flagship devices should be wider because if it's just you know tall and thin then it's just like an XL size of the existing flagship you know I think phablets have really aside from having a stylist have reached in the recent years just having a difficult time differentiating themselves and they really just become the Excel versions of existing flagships yeah I think everyone has the right fourth factor for them and they'll know it they'll seek it out for themselves and again it's even though as much as we talk about Hardware here it's all about the software the tailor is that experience down and make it more often mole for whatever it is out there um couple things from hashtag P and weekly on the Twitter's goran petrovic says that I don't think Samsung can keep the note in line successful for too long there's less and less differentiation between the Galaxy S and the note line they're too similar it's just that S Pen I mean well how much of a difference does that S Pen really make yeah I don't think it makes the world of difference anymore I know of before when there is more than one chipset manufacturer because when we when we had Texas Instrument and I forgot who else like Nvidia making chips like Qualcomm was forced to rest's released two to two flagship processors I mean two top-of-the-line processors per year now it's just streamlined so one single processor so I think yeah I think if Samsung had options more options from Qualcomm I think they would have included you know to the more to their fairness I mean the the Qualcomm strategy here is kind of more widespread they got windows to on arm to consider as well as all their mid ring it's like well not even memory it's like premium B and as opposed to like the premium a like the 845 they have like maybe the 710 Eclair like that so they're really tried to adapt to things and I just remembered when the note you know was was known to be the power users phone and I think that yeah the common we had from Twitter you know it's it's really Samsung forgoing the note line and a lot of it has to do with the battery I mean Daniel what do you think is the what was the genocide quoi for you about the new line I mean look I I haven't used the no date when I when I used a note I loved I love the s-pen I love being able to take notes I just I worked differently now so I don't need it I don't miss it and going back to the previous conversation if you're worried about battery life if you're worried about every single micron of space you have available having the s-pen built into something really does you have to make other choices so I think it depends on how you use it we've got Mike Anderson one of one of our editors on gear diary uses the know date who loves it swears by the s-pen I mean it's how he works so a lot of this has to do with you know what are you using your phone your phablet whatever you want to call it what is your purpose in having it what are you using it for and and I think that kind of drives a lot of a lot of the choices people make when when purchasing something and I think the more options that are out there the better alternatively they can just alternatively they can just make the note a bigger phone I was I was playing with the si+ and the no date and they just felt really similar in size the size from the fact that the SAT had rounded corners and the no Nate had more of a boxy feels like bacon I think they can you know make the screen a little bit bigger to accommodate a bigger battery and I suppose yeah totally especially at the like the two by one aspect ratio we're dealing with nowadays like it really takes that much more of increase in the diagonal under the screen in order to generate a larger increase in width so when the first came out if I'm remembering correctly it was it was significantly larger than any of Samsung's other offerings if I remember correctly so that was like a freeway preemption oh my god it's huge I mean I remember like the first time I picked up something that large I was like oh my why would I ever want to use this and now I pick up you know the phones I used to use I'm like this is too small but but I do think that if they went up in size as as you're saying I think that that would actually reinforce the the differentiation of the lines ya know yeah that was the point I was trying to make the differentiation between flagships and phablets you know you don't have to go water but you can go bigger you know like you don't necessarily have to make it the Excel version but yes totally totally um I've got a few more topics to do you ago through not much time to do so so I think we can just go with a one answer from each y'all on the next ones started off with dark theme Android will barely actually adopt a manual toggle so far on the pixel - it's just been an adaptive feature so whenever you put on dark wallpaper then the notification shade and other parts of the UI would turn into black and this is something that been people have been asking for for years since Android and sentence even before then and Google has kind of waffled on this so um finally great this is this is awesome and why or I guess even a better question is where do you most appreciate your duck beam your dark mode I think the Google of paths would have no-brainer included a dark theme I just feel like Google as of lately has been omitting a lot of new features I remember using the razor phone last year and I think there was a manual toggle to enable dark mode on your device because it seems like the razor phone was you know meant for power users and gamers it seems like Google as of late has been trying to target more of the mainstream consumer and I don't think off the top of people's head they would want a dark mode so I think you know there's definitely been a shift of focus and I don't it also goes back to this theory I have you know Google has been really disconnected with the user base that really you know put them to where they are today you know with the original Nexus devices and the pixel devices it just seems like they they aren't really listening to what their user base once do you agree to him I'm trying to wrap my head around like I used dark mode on my computer sometimes just because it is easier on my eyes but I think you know Apple of Apple comes out with it's a big deal with you know dark monel i think in a the year is so iterative that that i think a lot of companies are talking about these things and trying to make a big bigger deal out of what I don't think is as big a deal as it as it ought to be as far as a manual toggle for me personally I wouldn't need it it's one more thing to fail it's one more thing to actually have to deal with primarily if I'm gonna go in dark mode I'm probably gonna want to use it across the board for a period of time on my device so I have no problem actually just going into hitting going digging down into a menu a little bit and going for it don't see it as a huge huge deal personally yeah I mean yeah well I was just about to head on over but the one thing I just want to say is that a lot of apps in lieu of system-wide changes have been doing to our quote on themselves a Twitter for example both on iOS and Android they were right doing it so they've been taking our inside with a slack that a lot of these OS developers just for one reason or another just don't see is important to them or is not really practical gotta go over to you the LGG 7th in queue yes we're still talking about that yes thank you very much as well so what's it gonna take what's it gonna take for all of you to switch over to an LG phone how about an ad from the team over there the creative team but it features freaking Audrey Plaza like yeah of course you want to have a celebrity to deal with that but I think as opposed to like other campaigns that they've done I'm not sure if you guys are aware of any of their campaigns but for the g5 they had Jason Statham basically interactive clones of himself and go around remember that and crazy just like doing things I don't know here's the LG g5 like I'm like having not learned from some of the Silurian doors launches like look at what laughs look it's relevant good luck the BlackBerry 10 launch with water Halle Berry and then when Windows Phone was still a thing they had just all but I don't I it's like they never learned yeah 1 plus 5t Jessica like rest I can't pronounce her name but she's a great model great actress whatever but apparently apparently a smartphone expert apparently yeah exactly yeah they should have used the money to book all these you know like celebrities and you know I I would have used that and portion it for aside to give away phones for more reviewers to review or just as a giveaway I think that would been a better marketing tactic rather than getting you know a celebrity and telling you how why you should get this phone drink if you're trying to play to the market if you're trying to go on TV then you're going to have to play the game you're going to have a celebrity because that's part that's part of the ball field that you're on but I feel like they've actually taken some advice from people that have their head straight and have actually wrapped these things these little commercials on features like the hey Google take a selfie that's a pretty cool thing you know they can show off I'm not sure if it you know in the age of privacy hawkish Ness and Google being this evil data and Overlord that has become this way because they've always been removed don't be evil from their mission statement kind of scary oh well that well faith look in Google because Google but yeah that's a totally I feel like you know they have a boombox speaker of a little ad at of sorts talking about that and they also have a couple things with a I can't miss well-liked the entity centering these ads around it's single feature and I feel like that's something that has been sorely lacking over the past several years and I think it's and I think it's key in a year when we haven't seen much that's made us go much that's new much the minute that's go Wow to really focus on okay these are some of the ways that this particular device is going to be more usable for you than what you're currently using this is why you're going to want this phone I I love steak the movies okay that's not getting me to buy a phone it's not but I mean at least they have another kind of the also take a little dig at Apple I guess because they were talking about Oh your phone is so slow why don't you just switch it out already so I mean they're kind of being opportune I think that they're doing a good thing it's a good step at least and finally for the news do you want an iPhone 3GS in 2018 quick answer yes or no Ryan no and Dan no more than I want a manual typewriter okay sure I mean so the story behind this is that there's a little bit of nostalgia a little bit of happenstance going on in South Korea where eske's a MVNO 7 mobile I think is the name of it is apparently we just unearthed a whole crate of iPhone 3GS they did that due diligence on checking to see if everything's all right and they decided hey why not just sell them for like 40 bucks apiece and if anything they'll make interesting paperweights I mean I'm not sure how the software situation would be on this because they started out on iOS 3 the most they got was iOS or the latest they got was iOS 6 but I'm not sure if the servers are still kind of they're not sending out any of those updates anymore so I don't know I mean what do you think the stalls are gone wrong yeah actually the only reason why we'd get it through yes is to appreciate the scheme work design language of iOS of the past I personally I still haven't really you know come to gripes with the new one pre this pre iOS 7 days were amazing right do you agree yeah I know I know people are getting tired of it looking back I'm much more prefer cuz every it's iowa's now just feels a little bit too simplistic did I mean it's it's definitely it's definitely changed in ways that are that aren't always to the positive for sure a friend of mine actually just recently upgraded his iPhone 4s I think and so he gave me this one yeah so he gave me his 4s and I cleared it I loaded my stuff on it and I put it back in the drawer because it's unusable I actually have you seen the App Store now in comparison to the App Store back then the App Store now in my opinion is is horrific oh I hate it I hate it it's horrific it's unusable you have to know what you're looking for yeah ya gotta really if you're not trained in SEO again like this is the something that you might want to avoid but again somehow apples captured all these people into using iPhones and iPads and somehow they are getting by so and then there's all the developers themselves they're kind of complaining about how much Apple's taken from them so yeah we can get into you can get into a drainage pipe on that topic for like hours on end but I really want to apologize first of all to Donovan Turney on Twitter hashtag can weekly my Google home just asked which device T's for a selfie Thanks also your walk let's all let's all make let's all make a pact and revive level s I think that'll do everyone at you know I mean TCL has the palm license they say they're gonna do something this year hopefully maybe I mean I'm excited I'm excited that the prospect of a Palm Pre form factor with Android I know I know black rates have to do with the print those it was a decent attempt but I'm excited because I I know that the key one has been receiving phenomenal reviews Dan quick word on any palm hopes before we take a break no sorry nope on you on you just I'm good with the way things have been evolving I mean I I actually like the consolidation that we because I think it actually gives developers gives the companies grossly gives the developers the chance to really refine what they're doing rather than having I mean a couple years ago I was thinking about this there was so much more fragmentation even with so many more lessons that have now gone into the end of the graveyard that it really made it I think that much more difficult to get the apps that you needed working on the devices that you were using and working well so I'd rather I'm really at a point where I I'm happy to have a diversity within the range of Android and iOS but I really like having stuff that really just works and works well and works quickly onward and upward as we say right sorry I hate to be boring but I like my stuff working you know the days the days of things crashing constantly I'm really happy that they're gone yeah yeah well I mean that's the part that people block out of their kind of rose-colored glasses but hey I mean I'm not one to prevent that from happening they have the Liberty to do that we'll take a quick break before we get into our next segment and talk to you on the other side introducing huawei mate book X Pro winner of 27 Awards at Mobile World Congress including best of show laptop best innovation best design editors choice and Readers Choice with Windows hello you can unlock your wall a neat book X Pro with a touch of your fingerprint secure fast and no password remember while we make book X Pro now available at Microsoft stores Amazon and Newegg calm for a limited time get a free $300 gift card with purchase visit a Microsoft store near you today and we are back with our next segments and this one I'm going to call the good and the gripes I've been recruiting both of you guys and an hello to you again talking about just like one topic from each ear that has really gone at you you know in a positive way in a negative way whatever way that it has taken you and I want to start off with you Ryan because you seem to have a soft spot for a phone that is getting critically bashed and you're like saying that people it's not original it's not good at all what's your deal oh wait which phone are you referring to here twelve oh okay right because I know right okay so I'll say this I think you know tween eighteen has been such a stagnant year granted industry has been stagnated stagnating I think the flagship launches of 2018 have been just so boring I had the chance to go into the Best Buy the other day and go you know play with the G some and didn't queue I can't believe I just said the whole name but um it was my first impression you know playing with the device it was just so aggressively average you know like the colors on the LCD panel you're so washed out and the cameras or you know they've been doing wide-angle but just not impressive anymore so just to see HTC go back to basics cuz I mean I did I did go to a launch event like the for an LCD panel because I think they're using SL at CD six like the colors pop you know it's on par of AMOLED the obviously contrast is not there but they seems to be going back to basics and refining you know what's worked and improving on it kind of goes back to Dan's point at first about things just working but everyone's adopting the notch I think you know not the notch is horrific from the pixel three leaks you know looks like the Excel variant it's also getting a notch - um I'm all for what Samsung and HTC is doing which is making the bezels dinner because um you know I I have an iPhone 10 - but um when you're watching videos and you're zooming in you're not really making the most out of that screen real estate so I think the fact that HTC has gone back to basics is just that actually differentiates them from the rest of what the industry is doing besides from Samsung but Samsung you know it is they're you know they're they're variant they're it Odori you're you know so and it's also disappointed to hear that Essentials not coming out with a sequel for their phone because I was really excited for prospects of a essential phone - I maybe I'm just a nostalgic person I'm I'm I'm work you know bring back the Moto maker days you know we really want those glory days to come back now I really want more to make her - okay that's it I mean the motor Motorola now I don't it's like their day think about what would happen if we could get some of the phones that we loved with the current tech built into them that would be that would yes that would be awesome which which I would want an Icee c-17 I would you know I would actually go back I would say I wouldn't want a droid incredible a little a little bit bigger with today's tagline that phone was such an it was such a phone a strong statement but um yeah maybe like a Moto X pure edition or a Nexus 6p you know refined internals and slimmer bezels I hate to say that this podcast is taking place in 2018 but what Android P is shaping up to be you know it's I know it's inspired but no it's it's incorporating gestures but you can't but no help but think it's kind of inspired but what Apple has been doing with iOS it also goes back to that little back and forth we had about dark theme you know if you're coming off a device with ice cream sandwich or but then you go to anodized with Oreo II or if you're going from Ice Cream Sandwich to the device with Oreo you notice that it went from the holo blue team con dark theme to more brighter theme right and I think you know mainstream consumers would have appreciate the bright themes because very reminiscent of what Apple's been doing with iOS but - I think power users who want options like that bright team rep great theme with no default stock option to disable it it's just too like it's too straining on the eyes so like you're going to play in Google sandbox you go to you won't want to have the Google Adam skins if you don't conform to these sorts of design guidelines and whatnot then well you might it's gonna be a bit it's not fair work that way but it is what it is it's Google's ecosystem think of it a CV system I I kind of see it this way Google's you know approach to their products because I'm assuming once they launch the pixel I'm assuming didn't keep a lot of the people who worked on previous Nexus devices to work on the pixel devices I don't know it's just speculation but it seems that since that you know transition occurred Google's world or approach when it comes to products it I describe it as the world of Tron and now it's like Google since not even a world it's Google's playground that makes any sense it's a little bit - for toddlers with the exception of I think he did a great job with the pixel book calendar hmm I mean well totally I mean their Hardware game has been stepping up but it definitely helps that HTC contributed half their team to it but half their engineering team to it so don't get me wrong the 2xl is a great device but you know I yeah yeah we kind of ended them on a little bummer there but I loved what you said before which which is such a great term and it really does capture it you're talking about phones being aggressively average and and I think that's part of I think that's part of what's kind of weaving its way through a lot of the the thoughts that a lot of us who love our tech and have have been doing this for a long time and really passionate about it and I think that term really captures where a lot of us are at right now having said that I have to say you know that Huawei of all the companies around whoa easy yes doing an amazing job yes I am blown away by what they've been doing and the stuff that they're doing even though they don't want it called Huawei honor they just wanted to be honor I reviewed won the honor phones I mean they're really amazing stuff good style good hardware really impressed with that this year you see like I I totally forgot I never put hall in the picture because I mean I've been on Verizon all my life and they never really had a Verizon compatible phone but I always when I when I saw the great reviews for the p20 or any of their main devices I always make an effort to overlook it because I know this is something that I can never have sorry I was you know I was really excited you know because they were supposed to I know 18 its et and Verizon weren't supposed to you know carry you know their flagship what was the main tenant may 10 Pro but you know with politics and all that kind every Federation but yeah like I I mean I know not just Holly I make a conscious effort to overlook all the buzz about oneplus in Bali because those are phones that I can never use besides from the small lab I mean totally but we're laughing because we're trying to start by just stop ourselves from crying here yeah I just read something before the oneplus in the first I think it's been out six weeks has they've sold a million devices which is more than they've ever sold before so 30 days 22 days there you go yes unbelievable that's like three three weeks three weeks in one day that's pretty amazing so that's the bosses they've done it yeah they've come a long way especially with their marketing you remember the little marketing Fiasco's they've had you know during the day inception remember those like smashing your phones in the past and it was a lady in the frickin forum vote like that yes sexist like marketing I don't know I think that was the whole PR if you ask go for them but it's great to see them doing well now Carl pacing like a like a nice guy huh no belly no he's straight up he's all intense from all the counts that I've heard and he's just you know right at it he just goes it I feel like we're at a good place but this was far off the road that we were originally on i like it i like it but yanari no no no totally no please I want you to actually take over the conversation for a few minutes and talk about what you have to talk about let's support this conversation over to your territory all right so here's my great well we're touching on this before we actually started the podcast so I'm curious what you guys think um I was I was looking at the devices on my desk and so I've got my Apple devices with lightning and I've got a couple of devices with USBC and then I've got a couple of current devices that actually are still using micro USB and I just want one connector for all my devices I want I want some unify unification across the across the lines and that really would be USB see and I really really don't understand why we're not seeing that move and and I read one article that said that Apple at some point in the next couple of years would be adopting us PC and then other articles saying that's never gonna happen I want one connector from my mobile devices period I mean don't we all seriously especially as we start getting more and more you know devices into our lives with like health and fitness kind of deals those trackers maybe we have a work phone these days that needs to be updated and whatnot I mean I totally get it and then there's also the fact that USB see within itself within the same standard people manufacturers are just kind of using it to their own ends I mean you had you do have the connector there that's reversible that's great but the pen outs are different because they want to be they wanted to be proprietary for their headphones or whatnot so it's all still just a mess in even when we're trying to converge onto one it doesn't seem like people are kind of listening to hey we want one choice and one choice only because everyone seems to think that well we have our own application it will be better if we do it this way and yeah you can go you can go eat your a ham sandwich if you want so I don't know what do you think Ryan what do you think about our sorry state of shapes and connectors well I was I was talking to Dan at first too and I totally agreed USBC is the way to go but how likely is it you know that Apple will actually adopt us PC on their smartphones I think you know it's you you think about in retrospect well Apple really drop its arrogance you know like well they really forego their proprietary okay are you expecting Apple to forego their proprietary cut like connector to adopt you know a universally use Ryan Ryan I do have an answer for you I have a big in for you and the answer is yes they've killed off fire wrought-iron any chance that you know the the co-developed Thunderbolt with Intel but Intel has taken most of the lead from there and it's all you know related to USB see now that's the connector shape they're going it so at least there's that and lightnings really the last holdout they had that 30p connector and then it turned into lightning you know great revolution it brought with the reversible nature of it but like at and there was also this one point and in the past few months that they had talked about this ultra accessory connector which would be a I don't remember what like and what connector it was but it was four cameras like they would use a connector that was being used by Nikon and maybe Canon cameras like it was it's accessible and it's available but it they would screw up the pins so that it would be to their own advantage so he means yet another connector I mean it's like my wife and I are taking a vacation next month and I realized that before when we're packing I need to think about okay do I have cables for the phones and for the tablets and for the e-book readers and for headphones and like enough already need a mag design for the accessories for your devices I don't think we're at a good place you know what I think at a good place because we could have been dealing with slis and all the things like like the old connectors for masters and keyboards and whatnot like those things were just all proprietary and we had large logic boards and motherboards just to support plugging all the stuff into the back end of our computer and nowadays we only have to deal with three of those connectors like it's not it's like we've gone down and well of course you still want to go even further I mean fair enough three meaning to give me nothing so put wireless charging and everything for me that's what I want okay Oh charging is gonna take forever though oh my gosh I mean going going back to the likelihood of Apple adopting USB see you know I think both Dan and I you know we wanted a lot I'm just you know we've seen Apple in the recent years they've come out with Apple music on Android so that was kind of a curveball I'm just thinking it cuz does it doesn't the lightning ticker the lightning connector it doesn't it take up less space and I didn't USB type-c would and you know my question is if they do get all yes yeah even if they do a table USB type-c is it is it gonna be you know Thunderbolt cable you know like um there's a whole bunch of stuff that they could do that they might want to do in terms of just being able to accessorize the darn thing I mean ultimately they also have they're made for iPhone and made for MFI licensees that they have to consider as well right even though they you know Apple is at its own right and privilege to just you know throw off people at a moment's notice yeah I'm still waiting I'm still waiting for them to make FaceTime an open standard for video calling so follow me man they follow me finally today I just want to take like maybe two minutes and talk to y'all about how much I am kind of enjoying the Nokia the new Nokia 6.1 Nokia six 2018 I recently just got it as a personal kind of secondary phone not really a burner I intend on using this if I have any like downtime I'm reviewing Alcatel what 3v I think right now and let's just say that the review is going as I had expected it if so well talk about that another time but yeah I'm amazed at what Nokia is doing obviously it's hmd global that's the smartphone brand licensee and also Foxconn that is making the phones and having their hand in design a little bit but this is quality stuff it feels substantial they got the design down right and you know the components are pretty decent and what's this 250 bucks 269 on Amazon that's to something that's that's unbelievable that's impressive the screen is super bright speakers kind of a you know it's a bottom firing thing and it's kind of okay but like this is and this is like this is freaking if there were a nexus program right now this would be the phone that was that would be on it I feel like that's all I have to say I mean yeah simple as that it's fast appreciating speed ease yeah it's not working 630 few gigs of RAM Android wine latest updates what type of connector charging USB see correct are you trying to quiz me on my own advice but is it a is it a LCD panel it's an LCD panel and it's but the brightness is just insane like I'm going to bed and I have to you know I'm trying to read and it's just like wow I'm gonna blind my eyes but don't turn it down so yeah it's just I'm appreciating it and I guess one last thing that I could ask you guys is what phone or what gadget you might have in your life right now that you're appreciating for just what did is hmm everyone's getting on their thinking cap for a little bit like dad says everything has just been so aggressively Irish lately oh my it's your face buddy yeah I love it I would hey I was going to say my pixel book because it's been such a delight to use but since I did return it and repurchase another one I think that's a fair thing um I don't think I would ever be saying this but I think either my ear pods or this battery case I got off of Amazon for my iPhone 10 you know the iPhones head cuz I came from my last iPhone with seven plus coz always making effort to have one Android phone and one I phone and well you had the battery on the iPhone s Hut on the iPhone 10 because I'm usually out 8 to 10 hours a day and it's been rather disappointing coming from the Sun plus but this battery case 3200 milliamp hours on Amazon $30 and doesn't better have a good profile look like leather or like what color oh yeah it's I believe it's well I don't know the same material but it feels exactly the same of what of the materia that they use in the official Apple silicone cases and it's an it's not bulky if I if I can go grab it real fast if you guys want to see it hold on yeah sure well let's get the damn thing right there so the teeth thing is one two things come up for me actually um one one is this this is because I do love on the iPhone 10 I love finally having wireless charging on my main work device and this is the the my charge unplugged 10k that I'm reviewing and I love having a huge capacity battery that does wireless charging also so and which is great for throwing in my gear bag for traveling so I love that and the other thing that I'm really enjoying I'm reviewing the Jabra lead 65 T true wireless headphones and they're great I mean they're super comfortable the connect the connection they maintain is fabulous and the sound is awesome I think they get an hour more battery life than the air pods and they have a charging case as well and they're a little cheaper than the air pods I think so Deborah's really stepped up their game even for like the 25 e uh on words like that's been pretty good yeah I mean they're really and super cover I mean I review the job relief sport and I like them a lot the new ones are so much more comfortable and just so much more secure they're just they're really they're awesome and the the 65 t is currently I think it's 149 pretty Darrin reasonable Ryan I know I'm going to be doing a disservice to our listeners but show us the case oh yeah it's um yes and see this is about how thick the iPhone 10 would because this part fits comfortably like a glove and thickness as you can see it's not that big yeah the thickness goes from like a little before the camera bump to the bottom of it and man that's a better profile than anything that the freaking smart battery whatever that they're calling that thing did right and it's comfortable you know it's a you can hold it on with two fingers like this so it's a perfect grip you know what's it it's actually thinner than like some some phones that came out you know in like 2011 2012 so it's really not that bad I mean if we're if you're still comparing things to the 2011 you know 2011 I mean that's yeah fair fair enough yes I can say it to that um gentlemen I do want to thank you for making the last past our bright cheery maybe I guess you could say also just affiliated with very very good conversation Daniel where can we find you on the Internet's and where do you do your work I am on dear diary comm I'm damned Cowan on Twitter and where do I do my work I'm at it in New Jersey and one of the things I love about our site is that we've got people all over the country in fact we've got some people who contribute from outside the country which is which is awesome and it's been a real pleasure being here thank you no problem just dollars and what about you Ryan how's your socials and what are you doing well if you guys want to follow my social escapades you can find me on instagram at wow Ryan that's wo o W Ryan it's two O's or if you want to go check out my youtube channel it is called fried face so fried chicken but just switch the chicken with face yeah you wouldn't want to put your face into the oil because here that ends in a very very poor outcome but do you check him out because he does some pretty good vlogging work with food in tech and whatnot and that's for us well that's it that's it for this week be sure to keep the conversation going by emailing us podcast at pocketnow.com we really want to hear the thoughts you want to get out there and also the questions you need answered also we're all on 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