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iPhone owners snobs well know you judge everyone on an individual basis especially the people that you would go out with on a date but there's a survey this week that got stuck in my craw and I got a tweezer down later also much more in concluding a final Britta verdict or two on the blackberry key - and a piece of carry-on luggage that rolls out with your punches if you're at the airport we're bringing in a couple of old friends that's about to be a great time on this episode pi that's three 1/4 of the pocket now weekly recorded at 3 p.m. Eastern on Friday the 20th of July 2018 this is the shift from pocket now in conjunction with xda-developers that delves into everything that moves and in it's pretty much technology from smartphones to tablets and wearables it's the stuff you probably couldn't even make up in your wildest imaginations as a kid I'm Jules Wong news editor at pocket now joined by pocket now daily and Pocket Nell Odierno host Jaime Rivera hello to you sir hello to you sir coffee is set we're ready to you didn't say well caffeinated during this show because we need to cover a whole lot in just one hour's time joining us also is ex DA's chief operating officer Brendon minimum hey you hi hey I am today was a really good day because I got to take possession of this massive collection of old phones and claimed almost two dozen of them right there yeah and that's not even all of them there's still more of them out in California to use but they're not as interesting as the ones that I opened up so they're just going through them and just getting just keeping tabs and getting that inventory stacked up man you I'm jealous I just I'm gonna use like ten phones as we can I say one thing real quick um a forgotten phone really the oneplus X I know I don't know if you guys ever touched this phone but like I totally forgot that it is as thin as a razor blade like look at this it's crazy it's so nice and so it's glossy got that glass back and just this week we were talking about the CEO people out kind of them you know at the oneplus one plots as I used to say in the typos of my posts at pocket now long as wedding news about it let's go on though to another privileged guest here that we have our pleasure of hosting our favorite tea sipper formerly of android authority what's going on hey what's going on everybody thank you so much for having me by the way and speaking of caffeine yes I do have a cup of tea as always by the way exactly it's been uh it's been a bit and I'm really happy to be back on for the past week I've been rearranging my office creating the set that you're seeing you guys are the first ones seeing this set actually I haven't used it for any videos I haven't use it for anything yet this is the first time I'm using the set you know that camera looks sharp the bouquet is nice and then you got all the you know underdressed I have one please since we brought it up I have one quick I have one quick story or rather just one thing like the oneplus X I remember being a great phone for what it was it did it was missing a couple of radios I remember that was the biggest problem with it but the reason why I'll always remember that phone is because the day after I did the hands-on I flew up to SF came back down to LA the day after I did the hands-on I went through my most I went through my last really horrible breakup so the homepless x is a triggering phone for me you really don't want to talk too much about that so that's why we're not talking about it officially in the music for this episode but if you have anything that you want to talk about you the listener the viewer please do so we have our hashtag up on Twitter hashtag P and weekly so that you can chime in with your comments the questions perhaps you might want to ask a couple questions about what phones brand and minimum has right now and on time we have a lot to get to though so if you do want to ask your questions do so or go to your email podcast at pocketnow.com is the dress that you want send your thoughts to all right in the meantime we got hot news so let's get to it Microsoft is reportedly considering working on a few Android phones for release we don't know the specifics of how involved they will be in terms of doing the Android thing but they have been selling galaxy s 9s as well as the razor phone of note so they do have that involvement there I was wondering what all of you and I'm going to start on the left with Brandon what do you think in a post Nokia phone will be has Android from Microsoft I would love to see Microsoft use all of their innovation and software expertise to create and end-to-end really good Android phone you know they have the Microsoft launcher which is pretty good they've got Skype they've got office they've got all of these different ass they've got Bing and it would be just really cool to see them maybe it's a surface phone you know to kill or kick-ass hardware and just like stitch together all these Microsoft services and products for like something actually different and better because it's Microsoft and I'm afraid that that's just not going to do that so you think it's mostly just the services game for Microsoft at this point hi May I know that you have had a little bit more time with some of the Lumias back in the day I was wondering if you had any thoughts on hardware I don't have any expectations because all the Lumia patents went back to Nokia like hmd already has them so I probably that's my biggest question like what exactly can Microsoft bring if everything belongs to hmd now I'm not expecting much like even there their lead of photography went awawa we have to thank him for what we see on the p20 Pro so I don't know man it would be cool to get a phone from Microsoft let's just hope it's not just the phone with Microsoft services I mean you can do that with an iPhone right now just load it with a ton of Microsoft apps and then it becomes a Microsoft phone my biggest concern is what's gonna happen with Android they're gonna are they gonna fork Android or are they going to embrace Android and just load their launcher and allow people to do whatever they want with it phone which is what I would recommend the Play Store has to come into play at some point here so it'll be interesting to see again those phones that they already sell Galaxy we already have the Play Store on there so it's a question see if they keep it on Joshua I'm not sure what sort of angle you're coming from in terms of approaching Windows Phone or Android in conjunction with Microsoft but I wonder what your take is I think I think I agree with Jaime to be honest because what could you possibly do at this point Android has so many phones that have addressed that have iterated and innovated in so many different ways what could Microsoft possibly do aside from some sort of let's say integration with Xbox or something like that that could make it that much different from Android phones that already exist so probably the only I can think of is yes make an Android phone that is solid that has some good features try to do something that's different from everybody else but otherwise embrace Android put the windows launcher on there because I actually really like that about Windows Phones back in the day the tile I forgot what they used to call it was it did a live tiles so the live tiles were awesome and I remember one time back in the day I would get a phone and actually look for launchers that emulated the live tiles and I think that that that launcher would give it some identity but as far as hardware and as far as just the general requirement of what an Android phone is supposed to be I don't really see a Microsoft Android phone being radically different from anything else and that's gonna be its biggest pitfall I'll tell you something when you say that I think about the oxygen OS on on oneplus where I think they've taken Android and they forked it to a truly better version of Android with theming gesture control it's optimized for speed and animations fluidity there's so many goodies in oxygen OS because oneplus spent the time and looked at every setting in every menu and every option and I think that's kind of like what Microsoft might be able to do yeah I think I agree I think that is a hundred percent what they should be doing with it and if yeah like I said if there's some sort of inter I'm not a Xbox fan I mean I'm clearly wearing a PlayStation have but if there's some sort of if there's some sort of integration with Xbox and they're able to like synergize those two things together I think that might be it's one defining different feature but otherwise it's an Android phone it's just what it's gonna be but haven't they tried that with Windows Phone I mean they they launched an Xbox hub yeah like if you go right now into the X on a Windows PC to the Xbox hub it literally has a ton of those Windows Phone games that were literally just Forks of whatever they did for Windows Phone and they they all just suck like for me it's I don't know man I feel that they've killed they if anything they tarnished the brand with their efforts of trying to make one thing work everywhere and it's well if you heard the rumors it's one of the reasons why they even push back the project of Andromeda just because they didn't want to tarnish the surface brand with another product that doesn't necessarily you know achieve what the surface has achieved that probably doesn't sell the best but I love my surface like they've made some really cool products and I wish that they I don't know they followed on that what do you guys think I think that makes I think that's pretty true I mean Microsoft has tried to do a lot of different things that are like really branded on like Cortana for example and yeah it just hasn't really gotten anywhere Cortana could have been the fourth in the many different assistant voice assistant apparatuses that we have heard a basketball team with all the ones we have right now exactly but the thing is Cortana is not is it's hardly even in the conversation that's the problem is because they haven't put enough development behind it you know if I'm thinking if I'm thinking outside the box and I just want to get that Xbox imaginative with it then you know get the phone put it next to a wall it projects Cortana onto the wall you talk to Cortana that way interesting so Brandon any thoughts to wrap up including your holographic takes you guys have to admit something though if you look at the last five or six years Microsoft has been killing it with hardware actually that they're just like all these surface devices are so cool they're so innovative they're so like you wouldn't wouldn't have thought of it and they're futuristic and I could see them applying that ingenuity to a phone I mean you know phones don't always have to look the same and there's still room for innovation so a surface phone could be just awesome if the surface team were to design a phone I think bringing back metal is it for all of its advantages and disadvantages would be an interesting move so angry perhaps perhaps that might be something to look forward to or is about kickstand of course as long as they don't bring in an Alcantara phone I'll be happy with that clothes leathery kind of things interesting interesting all have to say let us move on to something that has been kind of a left-field kind of development and that is lights you might know it from the L 16 phone that they delivered back in 2015 where 16 cameras would look like some sort of cyborg that got conjoined with a whole bunch of other cyborgs it was really weird but it had different focal lengths in one eye whatever I was on the past and so is the $1,700 price tag they just got a new round of funding from two interesting sources either Lika and soft thing now we already know Lika they have a partnership with Huawei and they're tuning up their cameras you solve a p20 probe that excellent three camera implementation and then you have Softbank which owns carriers around the world including in the u.s. sprint and as well in Japan so I was wondering how you guys will see a second smartphone that they've announced if perhaps fewer cameras than the 16 they've had in the past especially since they've taken an approach to computational photography Joshua I want to start with you what do you see in the future for light okay I my question here is this this first picture you have on the article is that a concept or is that what it might look like there's a concept listed on their site it doesn't I mean it could be a potential candidate for a future release I like the way that looks way better than the L 16 I'll tell you that much but okay from what I heard not too many people got the opportunity to review the L 16 I myself did not but from what I heard it was hardware that was it's it's the age-old problem it's great hardware crippled by bad software implementation and there's so many phones out there that have that problem and of course now we have like the pixels of the world showing off that software can be king so if they're able to implement the software in such a way that makes all of this power actually makes sense and create great photos and great video I'm hoping it's I don't know I'm always gonna be excited for something like this but how many how many cameras do we really need on the phone I was about the second question I was about to say Josh like I loved your p20 Pro video of the trip that we did to Milan and like for me it was just shocking that you film are you fool most of it on the b-24 right not all of it and so that I have to like so by the way shameless plug the news today on the daily will include this but I you know when we were sitting down here with salmon with vo I was like do I really need to cover this yes you know Fridays are slow days it's just like alright we're gonna have to do with all right fine it's gonna have to be this but it's just like 16 cameras seventeen hundred dollars like even if they charge $1000 like photography on the p20 Pro it's just so good photography on the pixel to excel is just so good I don't think we need more camera lenses like of anything like if anything I would love the triple camera approach where we have a wide-angle and we have a telephoto and then people can choose and if they could high bay they can figure out a way like so I was having this conversation I had the conversation with you Josh and with other people where I love your video because it portrays the best example of how mobile cameras and cameras have evolved I was in the Vatican I had the p20 Pro I had the pixel to excel and I had my Panasonic g85 and you know I started taking photos and at some point I was like crap like this camera doesn't have HDR this this phone does and so it just comes to the point where smartphone cameras have become smarter at certain scenarios than a regular camera and I'm like I don't have time to be metering this and just flipping all the manual controls when a smartphone could just do everything for me so why do I have to put up with this so this this is my perspective right now where I've come to the point where I trust the smartphone in certain scenarios more than a regular camera I don't know about you guys what about you random it's funny I first saw the elf 16 on Instagram in an Instagram ad because they might they must have like determined with an algorithm that I'll I would be interested in a phone with 16 cameras and I was because every time I saw my timeline I would look at it I would click on the website and read about and I thought that it was just absolutely ridiculous and I can't believe it actually like became a product and that's why that that's why they had to charge so much for the phones because they spent all the money on marketing that might be it but uh I think and a few people reviewed it like michael fisher reviewed it and I think his conclusion and from the other reviews I saw were that it's just it's not as good as like a pixel and so what's the point that's it's almost like taking a perfectly good phone and sticking a keyboard on the bottom fourth I mean it's just we're not on that story yet why don't we segue into it I mean that's like the perfect example of why we talk about it yes well I do have one more point about this like okay it's it's it's very it's very likely this is not going to happen but if it did it would effectively kill phones like the L 16 if Google were to open up the database that they use for the pixels for all cameras across Android if they were to open that up in all cameras across Android were able to access that boom we don't have to worry about anything from like and you I mean you've been more of an expert in Android than I am like and Brandon as well like isn't the whole pixel core expansion doesn't it have that purpose to history in a way yeah but what I mean is it's not opened up to every other phone it's still sort of like a pixel exclusive type of thing what I'm saying is the way that I thought Google assistant would be a pixel only feature and then it became an everything feature if the camera API and the camera database could become you know that a computational data could become available to all Android phones phones like this one need to exist well and isn't it really just an app I mean I remember the essential phone had such a terrible camera but then if you loaded the pixel of photo app you know if you imported it just it made the essential phone camera actually usable yeah usable as the turn it may not be extraordinary the way that the pixel two is but that's because the the processing of the app itself is better than the one that essential put into the camera or put into their app but the copy is the computational stuff it's the it's the millions and millions of photos that they derive the data from that that matters in this case yeah so just adding more camera sensors doesn't do the same thing that's my point here you can't just brute force the situation there at the end I shouldn't we shouldn't be leaving any misleading notions here because this company's light has been talking about upping their computational and software based game here so again and we'll have to see what happens but it sounds like we're getting way fewer in our next consumer release here going on let us move forward here with going on to the Huawei topic in terms of this all right what do you believe about a whole a poll that will do away with notches that will just basically not really matter anymore that that these bezels are our thing so Huawei apparently has a patent here that allows them to stick a camera or put the camera behind this hole and then all of a sudden that will just obviate the need for a bezel up on top where's everything else the huawei essential phone basically where's everything else though so apparently the the the ear speaker the earpiece is gonna be like the aside like it's literally an essential phone without the drop down of the notch like the camera would be on its own in the middle and it seems that there will be some sort of screen around that and then you'll have the the top bezel will have the like the cutout for the speaker if you've used an essential phone it's pretty much that so you're gonna get like 11 pixels back in that story oh yeah like I totally don't get it I mean I like hey so I love what Huawei is while we had Samsung or two companies that I love just because of how much they're willing to just launch their R&D to the market just here and if people buy it that's good and if people don't that's great as well so anything I don't know what you're you get your thoughts are on the notch like Brandon made a video or like T's that he wants to make a video about the notch and how much the notch is important and the implementations are not necessarily good I really don't mind notches and it depends on the implementation of Huawei like if they can pull it off and why not mmm okay I think I don't think notches are okay I one day when it first started to happen I was very against it but then it made me realize that as has not just become more proliferated in the in the space companies are going to have to find more creative ways of either hiding it or making it look better or to just use it so I was like okay you know what then we now have things like the vivo necks and the Oppo find 10 and yeah I mean if we have to go through a short period of just this terrible design choice that makes no sense to me that cuts into your content when you're trying to watch a YouTube video or play video game then fine if it leads us to really fun things like the opal fine tendon you alright have at it but here's a thing like I feel that the company that does the notch implementation best is one plus if you notice if you're playing a video and you maximize the video on the 1 plus 6 it won't have the notch cover part of the video it will only maximize it it becomes like a 1 plus 5t pretty much where it's still a wide display but it doesn't have the water then not protrude if anything I feel it the worst notch implementation is the iPhone 10 if you guys have noticed so why it's it's and it's not just that like if you maximize any video the notch will cover part of the video so I totally get I totally get Josh's perspective but I just I guys I don't know about you but I've been really loving the 1 plus 6 I've started using it the last few days and and yeah I have noticed that that content goes around it rather than through it yeah and I like that a lot that that's really how it should be and which kind of led me to an idea like well if you are going to put like the camera behind a piece of glass well how come we can't put the display over it and then it only cuts down to not cover up the camera when you're using the camera for all other applications turn to the pixels off when you use the camera right exactly if you haven't know that that's how she that's possible yeah yeah yeah if you have a display fingerprint sensor I think it should make sense to put a camera behind the screen I mean there's always the component size issue to go on but we can talk about that but Jules you remember that that phone that we saw the the vivo phone that we saw at CES and yeah and if you angled the the light of over the display you could actually see the fingerprint module like Doug between and even if you had the screen on you could see it if you had to warm the light and you reflected it so that would actually be a cool idea like if the camera is there but it doesn't have to be visible whenever you don't need it yeah as annoying is like a matrix of you know the touch sensor matrix is from years ago when you had LCP like little games and it was just horrible and actually brought your review or just made it horrible like this is useful technology and I mean who knows if we'll be able to make it all visible at some point in the future wait a second wait a second Brandon you have a vivo next what what's been your perspective on that I've been really curious I've been waiting for your video I've been barely using it because you have to like do 15 to 25 steps to get a third-party launcher on it but what's da right yeah go to your own forums it feels like I don't know IRA I'm not sure it's so big I mean the screens like six point six inches which not too long ago was the size of a tablet and it's just so big and I look at like the one plus six with a six point three inch screen and it's just with because of the notch it just fills up the entire front of the phone and I just I like the notch approach better in that case but the under the screen fingerprint sensor I can't see it at all like ever I've tried but it's very inaccurate like you got to really try like four times to get it to work its interest rate I mean it all comes down to the hands because I totally get the fact that you know we all are different humans with different sizes and that perhaps making the top part a little less useful than the bottom part of the phone makes a big difference in people's lives so it's all those little details that really matter here yeah just do two things there's like okay I I miss okay when I used the iPhone 10 for a little while I did you know big controversy when I unboxed it on my channel but everyone was like you really use okay someone asked me how do you like it and I said well I had to give it back because it technically wasn't mine hopefully it will be but I said no I didn't say this in that in that IG questions thing but one of my biggest gripe so that is that it didn't have a fingerprint reader because the putting so much emphasis on what happens in that notch with the face ID and the face tracking and all that stuff I get why that's important but if it doesn't when it doesn't work I want to throw that phone because I could be scratching my nose and it won't recognize my face there have been so many times where I get a message and I pick up the phone and I and I rely on that to unlock the phone I'm brushing my teeth and I need to talk to my girlfriend and it doesn't unlock and I get really mad anyway so that's that that's just one thing I wanted to say on that point but in terms of the vivo necks and the Oppo fine X or 10 I forget which it's supposed to be but having those motorized bits that are at the top I prescribe I love that that's happening and it's great but there's one big caveat I prescribe to what my brother says who's a big car person all motors eventually die yeah that's a good one yeah so that's that's my one problem with that that implementation is that probably with the vivo next we're private and I end up finding people out in Asia who say that the camera won't come out anymore and then your soo I mean what are you gonna do after that for something you just have to replace a few bills that's alright we have to call Zack definitely that's gonna be a favor of ours I need those belts are too like my goodness oh god I love this video man that was so cool it was crazy I know that you guys referring to Jaime and Brandon might not be too interested in this next topic but I know this hit a chord or it's hitting chord with me and sending according with Joshua behind this so so we lucky those don't like this stuff all right but fine go for it drill so a new survey it's one of these stupid surveys that don't really mean anything because a group that just has happens to do something on the side de-clutter is like a used tech marketplace thing and they just asked a bunch of singles hey what do you think about your dating partners and whether or not they have an iPhone or an Android and it turns out that they like those iPhones pretty nicely so right here it says more than a third of men stated that a phone with a cracked screen reflects negatively a product or a state by demonstrating lack of personal care or and financial security actually that is so true and seven out of ten would prefer to date an iPhone user over an Android user while nearly two in five users were to feel that their phone type impacts an initial positive impression of a date and there are a few quotes here that I could bring out but I feel like you should take a look at them yourselves I feel like they've between vitriolic to put it into the discussion right here but I'm wondering what you think Joshua in terms of I think one is impersonal but oh no this is thing one of the reasons why I thought this story was still hilarious is because I'm a victim I'm a victim of this God God bless God bless God bless my girlfriend but when I first her she thought I was the weirdest person for using a key one and I was so lucky that I I still got with her but I broached this topic on previous pieces of content on the old podcast that I used to host and I I thought about okay so because of the job we're in right now don't you find yourself always noticing what people use it's just a second it's a sixth sense now but and just the job that we have I think that it's I don't know in the United States I don't notice that to be much of a thing at least in New York I've seen an iPhone 4s everywhere but it's just in Latin America where I'm originally from it's like people treat you the way they see you and they treat you depending on what you have if you're not driving a 4x4 pickup truck or an SUV you're broke if you're not using an iPhone or a galaxy phone you're broke and so yeah no I so I felt I found the topic hilarious but you know it's it's for me it's it I haven't noticed that much at least in the United States you're from LA and that's a very different that's a very different market of people that's the reason why your opinion is probably like the most educated in this topic because like in New York that doesn't matter but in on notice in that America oh man like if it's it's huge still yeah I mean I know that I'm a it used to be like you had an iPhone in Honduras and we used to talk about this you were like considered to be baller yeah it's 2018 like everyone has an iPhone isn't that true like everyone has an iPhone but you have to think about it like over here minimum wage is really low it's like in Romania Tony can give you more examples of this in Romania if you're not using an iPhone in an Apple watch you are not you're not up there you're not cool but here's the thing like the demographic of the amount of people that can actually afford something like an iPhone 10 is very low it's funny actually how much companies like huawei have been gearing a lot of popularity in Latin because they've come out with really cool products that people can actually afford them and so I you know it's funny just how many people actually know what a peeps when he is a p20 pros or how many people want to make ten or made ten throws so I think it's changing but I have to agree on things of this survey on things like people with a crackphone like if you're still carrying a crackphone you're broke some something's up yeah yeah some things up that's that's that's that's that I'd have to agree with the crowd it's like going on a date with a stain shirt there's a little bit of that III will defend the iPhone people for a second having used one for a little bit and then talked to a lot of people who have used iPhones all their lives man don't say that iPhone user is not committed because the moment the moment I started to give some opinions on why I wasn't really feeling the iPhone 10 they went off and they were just like no see this is that it I mean they're so committed so oh let me let me just say commitment issues on iPhones I questioned yourself during the day while you go on about the iPhone tenant how it's not good it's just like hey get me out of here we would have so much mileage out of this topic but it turns out we are coming over wrong fuels I 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or Tuesday and there are three specific problems I have with the key - some of which you might not be able to defend okay first first of all let's talk about the keyboard shall we I really I committed myself to this keyboard for an entire week every text every email I didn't cheat the single time by using the on-screen keyboard I forced my thumb's to do what they do 10-15 years ago and like no I can't I can't type fast on this keyboard I I don't get it what am I doing wrong my fingers are pressing the keys on my you know software keyboard like on my one plus six I use the swipe thing and I know you can swipe on the keyboard on the on the key - but it doesn't work very well or at all so so that's that's my first problem my second problem is that by putting a keyboard on the bottom what is just the bottom fifth of the phone you're you're losing this entire space to screen so like if you're watching a video you're watching a video in this size but you're not using the keyboard for anything why do you need the keyboard this area should be used for screen like a full screen like a proper full screen phone like the 1 plus 6 for example so I just like if the if the keyboard actually made me type faster I would be like okay I'm looking at a video in a tiny little crappy window but it's okay because I can type so much faster it's fine it's okay those are the two things and the number 3 problem I have with this phone is that the camera is so bad it gets trash it just can't even use it so like that morons trash so like I can't use this phone I just can't there's no there's no way for me to defend the camera I'm sorry I just can't and yeah that's the one thing I think the key one had a better camera I think it might have it might have yeah and ok so the camera is really hard to defend I agree with that but when it comes to the other the other caveats there okay viewing videos on the side with the whole keyboard on the side I totally get that if you're looking for a media consumption type of phone then that is not what you're going to get here but that's not what you get the key to or the key one for do you get it for productivity now I understand we live in a world right now where smart phones are supposed to be able to do literally everything well the key to is trying to provide that same level of capability but adding something on top of it and that is the keyboard I'm a buttons guy that's really just all it comes down to I mean I'm using a rebel right now and yes I called it rebel not pebble so I am all about the buttons and just being able to do something on a phone or on a piece of tech where I know exactly what's going to happen when I press here is really important to me because there are going to be times when I just need that to happen and with the keyboard if I'm responding to emails first thing in the morning or messaging people like you guys or if I'm just I do like honestly I do more typing and listening to music on my phone than I do watching videos and playing video games and once I had those expectations aligned the the key to and the key one even just aligns properly with what I need it can you actually are you mention productivity I think two times can you just walk me through like how specifically this phone makes you more productive well it just feels a lot better to be honest like it's not necessarily that the phone is that much better than others at maybe getting your calendar right or getting anything else going in a faster method but just being able to jump between applications using the speed key so if I was to go into an email and I needed to double check when an event is coming up speed kisi go straight into it go back to the e mo speed key e right back into the email that I was typing you already and then if I wanted to copy some text over I would copy that text over currency key a currency key C for copy and then speed key I to go to Instagram and then currency kavita to you know it's just there's a level of there's a level of confidence yeah you make the phone yours yes exactly so I have an idea for next da Brandon what's that you ready for this so one of the reasons why I like the key too is because it because because particularly about that have you guys done the math of how to send the message to somebody or to make a phone call and for me honestly what I liked the most about the t2 is those shortcuts and the fact that these shortcuts are really to a certain degree you can customize them to your heart's content but I've never really understood why companies don't take advantage of a lock screen more so I wish that somebody would come up with like three where you raise your phone the phone turns on and then I could set on this lock screen as many shortcuts to the things that I care about is that I want and so I've got 52 keys here 52 I don't know how many keys there but if you could come if somebody could come up with like a lock screen where I could set as many shortcuts as I want and it could be one of these shortcuts could be called my girlfriend or it could be do this or do that they're not i hate on an iphone having to launch the can't unlock the phone then launch the phone app then go into my recents then look for somebody to call then open the contact then choose the phone number to dial those amount of steps are stupid that for me is if i if somebody could come up with a useful lock screen that it helps me customize that that would help me be more productive i think and there are ways to do that with some third-party launchers but I get your point right yeah that you can't do it on an iPhone for example so that's really that's my reason to use the key - other than that I you know you and I had a conversation Brandon where you hated the bezels like there's no reason why they couldn't have put a sixteen by nine screen on this phone if they just got rid of the bezels so I have to agree with that they got rid of the bezels and gave me the keyboard that I'd be fine with fair there are there are refinements that can be made to the design of the key - absolutely and if there's if there's one piece of the experience that I just can't get over I just really love it it's the fact that typing I've said this in my review of both the key one and the key to typing is not about speed on these devices it's about accuracy and confidence and confidence is a weird way of putting it but that's really how I feel about it like if I was going to type an entire script on a phone because I had to if I'm on a plane or if I'm gonna train something like that I would prefer it on the keyboard like this because I it just feels better like actually having because technically when you're typing on a full screen device like a lump six you just tight you're just pressing the same exact thing it just happens to be a virtualized you know feeling so when you're on an actual keyboard you actually know where you're going with it and your your muscle memory actually adjusts to it in such a way that makes the typing experience not only easier but more accurate and it's a the way that I put it in a debate one that I had was somebody was if you use a mechanical keyboard at home you owe it to yourself to try the keyboard of the key - it's the same exact reason why you would pick a mechanical keyboard for your desktop compared to some chitlin keyboard otherwise oh I thought for a second I thought you just said I miss the mechanical part and I thought you were comparing a like a you know keyboard with oh my god thousand a thousand years old and the the difference like when you are typing on a traditional keyboard and you're touch typing you can type almost so fast as to be able to type multiple letters at the same letters at the same time if you really like slow it down you're just going that fast when you're typing on the BlackBerry key - or key one it's like one at a time it's like click the click click click click click click and maybe I just got a get better at it I gave it a good chance I gave it a good chance I love that you can set multilingual keyboards on the key - probably that was one of my biggest complaints about the key one when it launched it wasn't capable of that initially and so you had to you had to be accurate about typing on the key one initially and then they fixed all that through software I like the key - because it's software prediction is actually really good and so you you can miss type something and so that's one of the reasons why I like typing on glass because you can miss type anything and then the phone eventually understands context of what you're typing and it just corrects everything adequately and that was my biggest concern when I got when I got the key - because after that those issues with the key one I just never went back to it and then one did the after the buzz and I just didn't care about it but then the key to actually did a better job at this for me honestly like would totally be willing to use a key to as my daily driver if they came up with like the key to pro and come on guys just give me a good camera like seriously like so my problem with the key to and this is what I said in the review is 625 bucks you have no room for failure here come on guys 625 bucks you can't screw up things essential things like the camera I think that that the honor 7x takes better photos in this thing that's $200 no doubt the honors 7x takes better photos in this phone it is inexcusable for such a poor camera experience to be loaded on a $625 phone and then you get the 1 plus 6 Man which is $100 cheaper and it literally smokes the key to in camera performance yeah and like and sure the other reason why you buy the the key to is because of battery life battery life is epic but then you can literally end the day with a 1 plus 6 just fine yeah so you you you you won't get sorry started into it you won't get as much battery performance as the key to but you can end the day just fine with a 1 plus 6 yeah the last word to Josh over here yeah I totally agree with all of that and I know I'll fall on my own sword here you know being being one of the most staunch blackberry advocates this is one of two phones I carry on the daily so that should pretty much tell you everything that you need to know I use this for every correspondence every email every like tweet every post every Instagram posts in terms of like what I'm typing into it and then when I want to do other stuff I have something else so that should pretty much tell you I'll admit I'm a dual wielder and that's the reason why jv2 phones mr. Fisher where are you and alright that's the best that's the other mr. BlackBerry by the way yeah yes and it was like your comma less mr. webOS mr. who else webOS let's just move to the MacBook Pros I got a lot of talk about that and I don't have well I don't have a whole lot to say on this topic by the way so I'm gonna be you know relying this is this is a this was a high made topic that I thought you had your dating topic I gave highly so so MacBook Pro refreshed with the 8th gen core Intel Core processors and there's also a couple of things that we want to point out here so the silicon main brain has now been placed it's a silicon will cover that supposed to keep out debris because last time around we were talking about the keyboard the butterfly switch is and there was very tiny insect legs of a thing and they were the whole keyboard could be just put up by a single grain of sand so a lot of people were complaining about that and Apple actually had to admit it in its repair manual guides like they told the media that it was for just making the keyboard quieter and well turns out there's another case for that and then there's also the throttle an issue because with this new generation you have the core I 9 being included that's six cores that's 42 Hertz turbo I believe and you get a lot of speed and performance out of that yes the thing is is that the MacBook Pro so thin it's not thermally designed properly to handle that kind of heat sink so a lot of people if we complain about that and you might have seen a few freezer tests done in terms of benchmarking and rendering what not so Jaime take it away from here go wherever you want this one Dave TV you are awesome and thank you for putting your computer in the freezer for the purpose of science I really appreciate it like I hope that Apple is watching this because your Apple I really have to say that you guys suck at one particular thing why is it that you always screw up first-generation products like I bought a three thousand dollar MacBook Pro out of my own money the previous model I had so many issues you can't like how can you charge three thousand dollars for product you clearly don't test well I had ghosting issues on the display I had issues with the top case I had to have the whole battery replaced and you know then you will you launch the Refresh of the MacBook Pro and you completely screw it up again there's this awesome video from Brandon Harvard where he just goes through all the issues that he had with the current with the current generation design of the MacBook Pro which is one of the main reasons why I decided to just hold back and not buy the MacBook Pro until the past generation it's then it's the one that I'm currently using right now by the way everybody the reason why I look so crappy is because this $3,000 computer has the worst webcam in the world like the worst it is trash and so how is it possible like I even I even talked on the daily I really want a 13-inch MacBook Pro with a quad core processor for those of you that don't know exporting on Final Cut which is what I use to export video there's a significant it's just an abysmal different difference between using a dual core computer and a quad core next four times and so it's threes like the the experience of editing the video is really not that bad but once you hit the export button quad core and dual there's a there's literally a 20 minute difference it's a three minute export on one end 23 minute export on a dual core and so and so I wanted a quad core 13-inch computer that was my dream but then everybody was dogging me on the daily are you gonna order the new you you've been wanting this you've been mentioning it and I'm like no I'm gonna wait it out because I know this company I know they're gonna screw it up and so what's the problem they to be gets the 15 inch six core I nine version and it turns out that if you try to export a video on premiere I don't know about Final Cut but on premiere it doesn't really matter if you max it out and you've got the six core I 9 the computer can't even keep up with the clock speed let alone the turbo boost why because the thermal envelope is terrible the only way you can get a good 4k export on that computer is if you buy a freezer along with it oh how ridiculous is that it's ridiculous honey look exactly how is it possible if you've noticed if you want to max out the minimum spec of that core I nine six core it's a $3500 computer let alone if you want to go for the 32 gigs of ram you're going for thousand dollars and if you want the four terabytes that's another three thousand dollars tops it's crazy okay so I like I feel that Apple did a great job with the iMac Pro and you know they proved that people are willing to put down money and if you do the math I mean listen it in apples the fence Sam is currently using a dell precision Pro it's a 32 gig of ram until see not until Xeon processor it's a beast and it's a five thousand dollar laptop so it's not like of Apple is really charging too much money oh I've seen gaming laptops that are horribly expensive once you maxed them out so I'm not complaining about the price I'm complaining about the delivery what is up like you're like really what is up so that's the problem do I want the computer I do I'm just not willing to buy it because I don't trust first-generation Apple products that's just the way it is is this still a first generation Apple product yeah the processor updates every time that Apple experiments with something new so this is the first time that Apple pushes a 6 core processor into a laptop it's into a 15-inch laptop it's the first time that they push a quad-core processor into a 13-inch laptop so I would consider those to be first generation Apple products it's like the LTE variants of the Apple watch series 3 the watch is great but the problem is try to connect this thing to any carrier that's not on the Apple list you can't and so why pay extra when the implementation is just so terrible I mean didn't tell I mean we have to credit Intel with more of this innovation in terms of bringing that power in I was wondering if a Brandon had anything to say to this just to wrap things up here is it a matter of the software getting optimized in the future you'll just have the fans rolling more I remember when I got that the previous 15-inch MacBook Pro it had thermal issues that was another problem with that computer had and sure you got the software update but guess what the fans never turn off they've got they make these awesome things they look like dinner plates and you put your laptop on it it's got like six fans underneath of it just it keeps it nice and cool exactly so just keep adding up to the price tag of this you know otherwise like why would you buy a laptop if you need to buy if you need to buy a fan for it like the reason why I edit all my videos on laptops is because I'm always traveling I need to the computer to perform and so you know even with the current MacBook Pro that I have you know they advertised six to eight hours of battery life try editing a video on that thing even on Final Cut I'm lucky if I get an hour and a half of video editing just because of how terrible the computer performed because it's so thin and light you know just the thermal envelope is just so bad on these computers and so sure so long as you're connected that's great but then why not just buy a PC it's almost like they design these computers and I have the same experience on my 12 inch macbook you designed these computers to run like pages and like Safari and that's it like once you go beyond like the Apple apps it like my 12-inch MacBook gets so hot that it almost becomes unusable you have to put it on another surface exactly and so that becomes pointless and you know it in Apple's defense I have to say and for those for everybody in the comments that must be hating me for you know talking about premiere premiere is a far superior piece of software for video editing I get it but we make youtube videos we're not Francis Ford Coppola and for YouTube I consider Final Cut to be superior because it's just so much easier to use that's just me anyways moving on a lot of conversations that we could have but I think I know which team me and Joshua are on well here's the thing I just just a quick point I don't I don't mean to prolong the discussion here is just this kind of dives that this kind of reinforces a thought I had a conclusion that I had in terms of Apple products the products that people get so upset about in this fashion are the ones that are stifled by the form factor like this this pedigree of products like smartphones and laptops that are supposed to be designed a certain way that Apple has put themselves in this hole where they can't make it any other way the phone has to look like this has to have the shape and laptops have to be made of aluminum they have to look like this I have to do and it cuts them off at the knees meanwhile when you give Apple the ability to create a whole new product something that is completely different they actually put the level of thought into it that we used to love with the original aluminum MacBooks and with the original iPhone and the best example in the last year of that ingenuity are the air pots I hate how they look I agree that the way they look is terrible but all the time you know that's your fault but when you give Apple the ability to create a product that no one else has really created the this is the way it is like they do when when it's not just when it's not just accepted that there's a form factor to that product Apple can do some pretty amazing stuff a blank slate yeah right yeah exactly so I think the most important product from Apple in the past year has been the air pods because it shows that they have that ability but when it comes to stuff that we all just sort of know to be a certain way like laptops and phones those are so many problems that's it this just kind of reinforces that thought I just want to say that guys leave it on I know that you have to do Brandon it's been a pleasure having a year on for the last hour thank you so much for joining us love you guys say it thank you later and thank you - Jaime for joining us as well for being part of our team and just you know being a chill guy I'll join for the end don't worry about it I mean it's it's here so I just wanted to say a big thanks biggest things of all to our special guests Josh we still need to meet up don't we have like note coming up or a drunk tea podcast that podcast yes yes that's that'd be great you know it'd also be a great time to I can reintroduce the hashtag FTP back into this what is that oh that used to be Wyatt my old podcast was called because it was supposed to be on Fridays so it's the Friday debate podcast this is way back in the day when I was at my former company and yeah the problem though is that fdp happens to stand for a very bad phrase in most Latin American countries [Laughter] I'm 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