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no yeah hey everybody we tried to do this like 11 times at least right guys and YouTube hangouts are having some technical difficulties but that's okay because we are back and we are talking about the the Lumia 925 we're just going to sit around this metaphoric table here and and talk about what it means for for nokia what it means for Windows Phone what it means in the general smartphone industry but before we get started I'm just going to recap some stuff here and then we're going to let jaime michael and taylor talk about what they think about the Lumia 925 so what is the the Lumia 925 there are a bunch of videos on pocket now right now that you can see we sent Tony to London and he got some hands-on time with it it's basically like a Lumia 920 but it's significantly thinner and lighter so it's going from 10 point seven millimeters down to 8.5 the the weight is much less by about 40 grams going from 185 to 139 and there's some interesting metal construction going on the edges are actually aluminum or aluminium as if you will yeah if you will or Johnny I've and not so so kind of a Lumia to bring up to speed with what other manufacturers are doing especially HTC an apple with the aluminum thing it's coming to the u.s. to t-mobile first and maybe 80 later and then it's got some interesting software stuff going on so for example it's got this awesome double tap to unlock and what that will do it will bring you to your lock screen so it's not going to bring you right into the phone but it'll skip the step of you having to feel for the camera button I are the standby but it's also going to have a new Nokia smart camera software which does some really interesting stuff in action scenarios so let's say you've got your your friend running down a field and you press the the action shot button it'll take 10 shots and then there's a lot of cool stuff you can do with it and by way this is coming to the Lumia 920 and other nokia models it also will actually superimpose multiple images on top of one another so you can actually see a picture of your friend running down the field and like three in three different instances so some really cool software there um I do have a question can I interrupt you for a second go for it do you know if they have the other technology from schelotto I was talking about that's actually it's because of the purchase of schelotto that right all these features on this smart camera yes do you know if they have like the erase feature and the rewind feature yeah it does does that be great that's all I I I do know that they have some blurring and out of those ten shots you can I'm not really sure if they have the erase vietri yet I I haven't been able to confirm that but I do know and they did mention it in the keynote that because because of their purchase with Schelotto it would because of the acquisition there including all these features and they're involving them over time right check it out or anyone you when you google Schelotto yeah you come up with grace collado Merline schelotto and scar a lot of restaurant which is apparently a great Italian place near city what the hell are you guys talking about okay so the technology we're talking about is what you see in blackberry 10 because they license the the software from schelotto and what you get is the red wine feature in the blackberry 10's camera so take a picture and you can it's it's kind of like best shot but instead of changing the entire picture you change just someone's face I'm the moment or yeah without making it look photoshopped it looks like you just took another picture that's perfect yeah and for example in the galaxy s4 there's you talked about that technology where you can actually erase people from a shot that you don't want their dad that that that does not really invented by schelotto as well the intro it was a company that nokia purchased last year year last year exactly last year so so a lot of a lot of interesting camera stuff coming to the the 925 the camera itself is pretty much the same except that they've added a sixth lens to the array to help with optical image stabilization in stone 8.7 mmm pixel camera it's got dual LED flash not the Xenon flash so we're seeing on the 928 which is another topic of conversation the so so the first thing I want to ask is a question directed at Michael who loves the 920 probably more than any other phone what do you think they're a there it is what do you think about this 925 are you gonna are you gonna buy one and we'll replace your 920 so here's the thing first of all google tells me that i muted yeah my muted or no no no you're good very what an interesting little banner I have then it tells me i muted too yeah thnkx hangouts let the here's the thing with it with the 920 and I just I just posted an editorial about that was largely based on a comment that somebody left a very prescient comment where it was like you know the the the Lumia 925 is an aesthetic reinvention and it's exactly the opposite the galaxy has four but we'll talk about that in a second but the 920 has always been a heavy kind of unwieldy device and I've apologized for it and I've told I've had arguments with Brandon with with with everyone about how I don't mind the wakes I like a substantial feel in the hand but it's definitely the outlier this is 185 grams it's my heavier than a galaxy note 2 it's a tank yeah I mean it's it's absurd so I can understand why people would be put off by that um you don't have to wear a belt anymore keep your greater whole Fred with the summertime coming I like a lighter phone but oh the thing is so I think the weight reduction was a really good idea I have to say aesthetically I I don't know mate and I would like to hear your guys thoughts on this um I don't think the 925 look looks better than that I like its aluminum rail along the side but I think it said not a very good looking phone compared to this 928 which has a very distinctive but also thought out aesthetic you know you have this extreme minimalism on the back here which we don't have on the 925 got all those holes on the people raised lens and you know I mean what do you guys the night the 925 does look generic but but you make a very good point that the weight and the size of the 920 is off-putting to men including me and and you get to the cell phone storing your feeling like oh this is just too much I'm gonna go with the gaseous three or the galaxy s4 and now nokia has kindly I kind of removed that barrier Taylor you were gonna say something yeah I was gonna say the just like when i saw the leaked pictures and we talked about it either in a podcast or alive the 925 looks like oh great long long long walk over there um then I 25 looks just like an HTC device it looks like a like a really fresh of a windows phone 8x or something you know um it doesn't look like Nokia it's I don't know maybe maybe I'm alone in that but yeah you're not alone in that it doesn't look as much like Nokia but I I would it would be my argument that it doesn't look as good as an HTC 8x revision like I got there's a lot going on with it that I don't think it's great we're suckers for we're suckers for you right after body yeah we're suckers for your body and that's going to make it feel like if it's got that separation just let it have a removable battery which I don't believe it does right and they're all fixed it doesn't come apart so but the back cover you can take the back cover off can't you is you know if you have to replace it with a wireless charges either better no or yes that's a case actually that's that's a case that you place on the phone so it's got three reports at the bottom but that that's that one that is weak sauce 101 that's sucks okay so so am I the only guy here it might be only knows actually not a fan of Windows that actually that actually likes that phone cuz I like it no yeah it would not say what I don't think anybody saying we don't like it but I just the look of it as not as refined as the 920 I don't it's the last 40 I have a question I want to go back to this wireless charging thing Michael does the active s have wireless charging no it does not that's very interesting because if you look at the windows phones that have wireless charging they are a little bit thicker like the Lumia 920 what other phones Windows Phone our verizon version of the 8x has it some other some of the mid-range Lumias have back covers available i think the 820 is a back cover yeah yeah I'm just wondering if there's some technology issue here where the phones got to increase in thickness unlike a galaxy s3 where you just change the back cover well there requires coil I requires this but I inquire the nexus 4 has it built in and it's pretty slim right right it doesn't necessarily have to be a thick or heavy device to have wireless charging that's why I'm pretty much flame nokia over that because yeah because when nexus 4 that was always the excuse right it was like yeah well it has to be big and thick because while i was charging and I kind of bought into that for a while until I did that mod of the galaxy s3 where I took the coil out of the palm pixi back and I mean it's it's there's anything I mean it's just copper wire is all it is yeah the biggest part of what your wireless charging is going to be is the actual module the charging the inductive charging module in the charger not the actual yeah yeah but yeah but your Galaxy s3 look like if it had implants after you plays that thing well that was because the battery do I that was that was because i was using stone knives and bearskins I wonder I wonder if notin nokia is saying something about the state of wireless charging by making this an optional accessory not just building it right into the phone you know I'll tell you this much for those people that like the Lumia 920 design if you look at the phone at the Lumia 925 with the case of that you know that plastic case that you put for wireless charging it ends up looking like a 920 once you snap that thing on and yeah it they're basically I guess participating in the death of wireless charging and mobile or at least not pushing it forward because they're saying it's not important enough to build it to the phone you know natively it's something that you can add on and when you have to add it on when you have to buy a wireless charger and a wireless adapter for your phone it adds up to seventy eighty a hundred dollars or more and they know what useless but honestly this is like the sexiest wireless charging cover that I've ever seen can you try to link it in the in the checkers i can't i have not seen the the currency either end and here's the the nexus 4 for reference it's yeah very thin and wireless charging is built-in so now i'll try i'll try to find one but you know going back to the design you know I I don't know I I do like you know I I can't understand why Nokia wasn't able to bring out a full aluminum body for this design it's funny but this is like the first time that I see an aluminum phone and black that I like more than the gray 1i thinks great when it's like if they did an all aluminum phone people are gonna say hey they copy HTC they copied apples so they did like a kind of a combo thing where the sides are aluminum the edges where you touch the phone but the back is that kind of soft touch plastic here we go well but well we're not saying that that you know they're copying samsung for going for the with a plastic you know design it's like I think that it would have been cool if they would have brought a full aluminum body that's not look Taylor Taylor has officially what the heck is this that is the wireless charger oh my guess it's like an extremity of some it's like a some exoskeleton oh god yes spacesuit yeah latches on can you scale that down so we can see the whole thing or no that's the whole picture okay let me see if I can find another one yeah it's you're right it's like a space shooter Taylor is looking I'm i have a question have you ever played the game Jenga you know what were ya pull them out i play giant chicken last weekend but no not know really not really oh I was gonna say because you've got like a real-life version of Jenga behind you with like your 15 iPad boxes what is the deal with that why do you for med boxes do you deal one in every bathroom or something I I sort of sorry I actually have kept all the boxes of the iPads that i've owned in iphones that I bought that's the reason it's like your side plugs that I bought okay so table sevens not showing us an image of a red backing for the for the 925 smoke it's very thick oh my god in its gross looking and it doesn't protect the phone at all so if you're gonna have a case on there you would at least want protection right that's just kind of like a its piggybacking it's like a monkey on its fact that does one thing I cannot help but think the tailor that the tailor's voice is coming through this case okay I have a question I have a question for you guys which has been haunting me ever since three in the morning when I woke up because I'm obviously in central time not like lucky you guys where it was 5am with the event um where was Stephen Elop yeah this is where was Stephen Elop I mean John crews that Stephen Elop announced the Lumia 520 he comes on events to announce Asha naughty those are not even smart phones why was he not available for this event what does this means i think it was symbolic of the of what this means to the company they don't want people to think that like this is their flagship for this year they're going to come out with some new hotness with with the new windows 18.5 and it's going to be a big leap it'll be the real successor to the 920 this is kind of a mid-cycle refresh that get people re interested in the nokia brand but doesn't get them all the way there to being competitive again well what do you guys think great I think I don't I don't know if you got my email about the editorial idea that I'm going to go with but uh it's something along that affect where they should have learned something from Samsung and HTC and that you don't need to release 20 different devices one for every carrier to get your point across you need it people want one phone to choose from I guess you know the same phone on every carrier just so you don't have to pick and choose what you want even though these are all the same if they have mostly the same specifications they're different models and it's just not smart in terms of branding and marketing right is it's kind of confusing you have the Lumia 920 you have the Lumia 925 the 928 you have the a20 the 800 the 900 I mean it's just a 21 a 22 oh my god it's like blackberry a10 the antenna no it's true i mean the 810 the a20 the v8 I even forget the numbers they're pretty much the same phone on a different chassis I and I so much these these naming schemes that reminds me of back in the early 2000s when you add the like SPM 5hs wqr three 1796 HT oh yeah they curve idioteque tex yeah what do you do what is that what is that Fang this this is actually um that's the new q5 this is this is an antique just like it Keller king yeah you turn it to the side there so you can see the thickness of that phone can you put it up convince Alexis for here character next year have fun with that oh yeah when you got highly over there I this is the blackberry tour I belong man I've been I've got them all over there oh wow I got I've got something better look at this I've got one of those too yes yay yeah but it's exactly like that because there was the light the blackberry curve 8310 8320 8530 beam 350 360 I mean just so big i but there is merit Everest if you are the thickness of this tissue box I mean that is I'll show you there's the this is this is thick right here that's a SPH a 8500 or SCH 8500 from 2000 that is that your DD now Michael yeah man I just roll with this you know I got tired of color no but here's the thing like there is merit to this approaching in that Nokia is just basically you know saturating the market and where did they come from they came from a place where their mind share was completely in the toilet their their market share was just collapsing and I I think they don't want to lose that I don't think I think they want to lose presence at every particular level so while yes it's confusing I wish they'd done some different naming choices I think they have to do this as far as just pushing volume out there and it's just like yeah we know we just drop this 610 well here's a 520 eat it you know it means it's kind of blowing up in their faces though they're not really giving any love to the US carriers they're not performing are they going no i don't i don't know i don't think so I mean shareholders and investors are very upset with Stephen Elop we read about that wasn't i was about to say we all read the fact that Stephen Elop is not a you know the investors are not really happy with this performance so you know I don't know could it be that you know the Nokia is sending us the message that Elop is probably not going to be in the company soon or so that's a very that's a very good possibility I mean he's he's failed with companies failed to do an HTC eris am song which is to get a flagship device on every carrier and and we're seeing now that that is the magic and HTC is benefiting from that magic guys we're getting to the end here of the round table I want to ask one final question want to keep this as close to 30 minutes as possible what do you think this means for windows phone does it move the needle at all ah not really know why do you think sand in the grand scheme of things no because it's just another device and it's going to be buried in a couple of weeks by the carriers the sales reps on the ground the first point of contact for consumers don't care I guarantee you none of them on launch day will really care about the device they might they might push it for three days a week and then after that it's going to be back to the HTC One the galaxy s4 and everything else yeah that's exactly how it'll go and that's unfortunate because it is probably going to be a good device just like most other windows phones of I Windows Phone devices before it but it's it's all about getting the sales reps to care that's that's the big problem with windows phone is they don't care so consumers not gonna buy good point what do you think I may I don't I don't know no kiss like pulling an apple here it's it's it's funny because you know Apple can be the company that comes up with an iteration of a phone when it comes to hardware but then changes the design that people will buy it that's just the way it works and they're trying to do this here with this Leumi I mean this is pretty much a Lumia 920 on another chassis and if the Lumia 920 wasn't able to move the needle then you know doing just bringing out another phone with a different design doesn't necessarily change anything and you know it's funny I mean it's not like if this phone is cutting edge in anything in comparison to anything that's already out there so there is again there is nothing different in this phone that changes Windows Phone and so I don't really expect it to move anything it'll probably just again less Taylor mentions it'll be buried eventually it'll turn up to be an exclusive on certain carriers and therefore not everybody will get the phone the other people will keep the 920 and it's just going to be another Windows Phone out there in the market and that's that's really sad because I I do notice the Nokia buying hard they're just not trying the right things in my opinion do you agree that they're not trying the right things Michael uh yeah I think that they were on the right track for a while there and now and now I don't think they they are with this particular iteration no listen it's good that they that they improved on the 920 the 920 is a solid device but I need an improvement in some areas that's been taken care of and weight that AMOLED screen coming back to the to the 929 2x line is a is a great thing as well really makes Windows Phone pop camera improvements the area yeah I I think though that if we had seen this earlier it would have made a big difference you know we've had the 920 you know the 920 is beautiful and we love talking about is a device in an international context but from an American point of view you know what you need to have a 920 you need 80 not every American wants to be on 18 here it can be on 1800 okay you know we come back to the whole Gary exclusive thing it's gonna be nice to have the 928 on verizon it's too late though I mean it you know if all this had happened when the excitement surrounding the 920 was fresh that would have made a difference in awesome this is a rehash of a phone that people is not necessarily old but we've done or after the buzz on it already that you know people are fickle even outside of our circles they're not going to really latch on to this it's a it's not going to move the needle at all we need to wait for the next flagship yeah what is the maximum number of people that can actually buy these phones so many my carrier availability yeah I mean in the US the 928 you're looking at what may be 160 million total that will ever be able to buy it yeah on verizon and sprint right and then how many of those are actually gonna buy it all right all small percentage because only what fifty-seven percent of those are smart phone users and how many of those are going to upgrade to a windows phone first tell her I'll district navin that's making my owner of it no but but you guys you guys have a solid point I mean their market penetration in back in the fall of last year was terrible because only AT&T got like a real flagship phone they were the only ones that got the hot Lumia 920 and then everybody got an 8 22 or an 8 20 and you know yeah they got the windows phone 8 X no comment on this this is a pretty phone that I would love for it to run Android but there's nothing really hot about this phone at all so yeah I feel that I think the milk is approaches is good for them because they're getting the exclusive deals with AT&T that will pop up some money initially but they're not getting any market share so eventually even AT&T could turn their back on them and then what's that going to turn out for them I really like Taylor's point that it really starts with the sales people on the floor and what's going to happen is that you're going to have a 925 next to an HTC one next to a galaxy s4 and the sales rep is gonna be like yeah these two guys at 1080p screens ones like one's heavier then they're going to get for 925 and be like oh it runs the windows phone and and then they're gonna be like but I want the Android yo and you know it's I want the new Galaxy i want the new galaxy yeah you got the new droid you got the new galaxy yeah like droid so guys I want to conclude this I think we can all agree on one thing that Lumia needs to put android on its phones and that would solve well that Nokia doesn't ya know I I still don't agree but I understand oh come on now you would buy a nokia made android phone and a heartbeat no I know I would it is a lot podcast now I I think I 10 key i should stay firmly in bed with with Windows Phone I think Steven ela I want to say this before we go I think I don't think Stephen Eli was doing a bad job you know how long it took dan hesse to turn sprint around I know we're talking about a carrier and not an oem but it's like it took him like three years to get any kind of results because the company was in such trouble I think Nokia was in really big trouble i thinkI lab has taken a lot of steps that were many of which were not very popular but i think the company's in a better place than it was maybe things get a bit with HP was that get some web OS f I don't want two men to do oh you're gonna you know spinner list you made up spin around it is okay if you you know I'm gonna give you an analogy this is like this is like this is like NASCAR you know knowing that you're gonna compete at NASCAR and arriving with a VW Beetle it's a beautiful car it's got everything you want but it's not a NASCAR racing vehicle in this point of the game and so in my particular okay so I mean think about it HTC does windows phone and they do android sansom does windows phone and they do android even Samsung who is Samsung has not been able to succeed with Windows Phone at any point even if they were part of the pioneers so if I were Stephen Elop I'd be like yeah sure these are my lumia line items in hey these are my android liners I mean what's the what is the problem of having a society nokia does not have the resources that a bigger company like Samsung does they can't split their focus like that they're they're losing money every quarter in Japan days losing millions of billions every quarter they used to be ballin fresh with lots of dough but then things happened and then they weren't you know guys we gotta we gotta wrap this up I actually want to say thank you to the viewers because we have as many viewers in this sort of niche like roundtable discussion that we do in our bigger general purpose pocketnow lives so that's awesome that you guys really care about what we have to say and come and join us so thank you for for joining us and thank you taylor and michael and high may for sounding off about the Lumia 925 and we've plenty more coverage on pocket now some videos from Tony all right we have podcasts coming later in the week in another pocket now live and maybe another round table is that right you have a roundtable tomorrow for google i/o let's see what they bring we're gonna be talking about who I of tomorrow we are going to have a podcast on Thursday and pocket not live on Friday so and of course NASCAR sorry I had to do that because you made a NASCAR analogy and I live in NASCAR country so I had to let's just ask or worry we are going to conclude with NASCAR thank you everybody for joining us