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a waterproof galaxy flagship a slew of new wearable gadgets an Android nokia phone mwc 2014 was a veritable avalanche of adventure and surprise and we've got the dudes who saw it all in person here to fill us in on just what it was like on episode 08 five of the pocket now weekly the once a week audio podcast where we discuss smartphones tablets and wearables from the United States I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now along with my trusty auto aficionado Taylor Martin hi-ho neighbor hello and joining us from Europe fresh from their Barcelona adventure everyone's favorite Romanian Honduran duo editor-in-chief aunt on dinadh and multimedia manager Jaime Rivera good morning guys and good morning to you it is gonna be good morning for an entire week man now I this is this is fun because we've had people we've had two people on one mic before but never I don't think have we had our chief hunter and staying with our lead Romanian how long is that happening for for at least a week or until I kick him out I think the second will happen earlier yeah we were talking a little bit off the off the air about whether you were having any Romanian coffee or not and not neither nor are you having palinka you're completely dry at the moment well you wanted a sober for the show right I'm not really no I'm haven't you told that I was a little discipline hey let's hang up and look back yeah let's try this again and Michael heza has a package arrived from me yet no because you didn't send it on time well it will arrive today and when it does I think you'll be happy good good did you leave me at us and whether you sent in the extra bottle of bullying so that we can all get belinka oh that would be great if we were all like if we all synchronized our palinka drinking on the way that's what's in the package I have to ruin the surprise oh yeah I'm gonna love a couple of dupes from those synchronizing so time it have you actually have you did you sample pálinka at on the mwc trip oh well I sampled polenka my first time the BC trip two years ago that's right so you were familiar already oh yeah yeah yeah he was the first one to get the new vaccine I understand okay I've become I haven't had a cold ever since it's a wonderful into full of antibodies that palinka some announcements before we get started while we have high me on the air as well they pocket now daily is i believe and stop me if I'm wrong on this time it is on hold for this week for this entire week correct well yeah it's pretty much over we're gonna start our remaining edition of the pocket now daily as a fun day what do you mean our remaining addition to it is the daily he's letting on shooting the daily here outdoors and I'm gonna see what that goes how that goes everything yeah that would be fun but when you say it's pretty much over you do not mean like as in whole right no the week is pretty much okay right obviously there's no no option for daily now but now that's actually the reason why we planned this trip the way it is so obviously this week was all mwc and it's done now and now as of next week obviously we have a regular schedule back only that I'm not in Nando de so we're gonna take advantage of the new scenery for another you don't worry free then there's no green screen yeah that's right that's right well I'm very very glad that you'll be trying to shoot an a daily from outdoors I think that'll be a lot of fun there's some wonderful scenery as I recall from Anton Anton review photos it's gorgeous dude you have to be here this is this i'm looking forward to seeing the photos and hearing the stories I'm actually talking more about the walking scenery then ah you're talking about I give the human scenery alright that static scenery people are not very nice very very nice you're driving with a Romanian on a Porsche you can imagine oh I forget that you guys are rolling in the Porsche yes yes yes well I hope that the rest of the trip exposes you to a lot of beauty in all its forms this human being has turned into a rockstar already you should see that you know it's your matching leather jackets that's really gonna just to earn you a lot of fans it's just like our shirts back from evike you remember yeah I did remember so see the listeners see the pocket now round up if you want to get a semblance of the daily and we'll do our best to hold it together until high I can find some some suitable static scenery yeah the mwc 2014 recap of hopefully a couple of hours after recording this podcast and what about the bloopers the blue book will work on those over the weekend so we're hoping to get them up but early next week as as well as the insider there's just a lot of censoring that has to go through and understand I know what it's like to buy be a lot of stories to tell that before we do I just wanted to mention is I talked to him in like five minutes before a podcast and I was saying like this quote we just got back from mwc and we can't remember crap about it that's where we were in the middle of where the news happen and we're completely not knowing anything about news and it has nothing to do with pálinka yeah no I know and on it because you're in you're in trade show world and it's that like weird little bubble where it's it's just an impenetrable yeah domain but that's okay because we're gonna put it through some filters for you and well I'm sure we'll have a lively disagreement about something and it'll be fun let's just tell everybody that it is very possible that next week we will fulfill our promise to have Evan blast on the on the weekly of leaks we couldn't do it this because we wanted it to and mwc thing but I think we're going to finally make that happen next week as things settle back down to normal so stay tuned for that and a review announcement I think this is what Taylor was referring to before when his tongue would ship me things the Nokia Lumia icon review is apparently declaring the icon the best Windows Phone fr and that review is up I'm surprised actually Taylor Taylor tells getting T talking about the worst timing ever well when Taylor comes back maybe he will grace us with a word or two on the icon but it'll already be too late gentlemen what say we dive into some of the news from mwc we're not using our usual categories this time around we're going to go by manufacturer and tell me if you disagree but I think the biggest OEM from the show was Samsung sure I agree with you only that I would share that first spot in terms of the excitement and I was me everything with Sony's Xperia z2 no Jack I want to talk I'd really want to talk specifically about that but um let's let's dive into Samson first when we get to Sonia what we'll compare and contrast we had a unique situation this year where you guys were in Barcelona debt the Samsung unpacked event watching all of it happened live including the orchestra which was like doing that Samsung theme do we know what that is by the way is that a musical piece that they had written for them Rosaiah name is one-eye no idea i think that that's their proprietary thing which they always play back either recorded or live whether the event is in Barcelona London or New York that's their theme ringtone yeah yeah yeah well you guys were all seeing it live and at the same time I was in New York with Adam Lane and we were watching it at the galaxy studio for the US launch event which was live-streamed so it was morning for you no excuse me it was late evening for you or early evening for you and it was early afternoon for us and we staked out the corner of the studio we knew where a demo unit was going to pop up and then we got our hands on it oh there we go we've got a story about that so tell it yeah what's it what's the story like Samson let me start and then you'll finish the thing is you've got more emotion to declare would happen there yeah I've been to a lot of Samsung events and I'm telling him you listen handle isn't it let's not just rush into the entire venue let's just try to find a spot because I really know where the demo units will be like behind the the stage there will be two doors on the sides and then those will open yeah so let's find a place okay so like a couple of minutes before the event is done we just stand out from the crowd gets to that specific door which I know that will open to be among the first ones to get a hands-on and we are the first ones there and then the security guy comes and he says no no review units here no nothing the exit is the other way yes no no wait a second just imagine this this place had how many people that doesn't at least yeah ok so imagine this they opened the doors those 5,000 people begin rushing out assuming that the review devices because obviously since we were the ones that were the Thor we were the only ones that hurt that yeah so they open the doors and those 5,000 people sworn to the lobby looking for units of course no units and then some I don't know some Samsung people imagine a lot of ants and once you start stepping on them the edges run around like crazy okay people going upstairs downstairs just running around the venue looking for the hands on the lover a lot of the stands which were empty yeah oh go ahead so that it was like it was a bait and switch yeah and at one point I'm asking the news where were the reviews everybody's like yeah behind the stage where they usually are Oh No so when you least expected after five minutes of people swarming around the place they make an announcement please make way to the device experience lounge behind the stage five minutes after people are running around the lobby I'm I hopefully tried to beat each other to the device thousand nine hundred and eighty fifth exactly exactly no you know I was really really really upset I really it said security guy once again just you know no honestly I don't think it was a security guys problem you know Samsung you lay something very very irrespective oh you know they may have you know I think they probably just weren't ready it sounds like that experience lounge had a problem that they had to fix all of a sudden and they just decided they weren't gonna make my that the the insane amount of waiting for like a one and a half two hours standing either outside or in the lobby before they opened up the doors for today for the actual venue that's that's what Samsung so they're usually playing there's nothing is bad thing I mean just think and you can do things in a more elaborate man it's funny like I saw that I saw part of that crush because I think Sam Sam pullin was tweeting pictures from it and I just saw the usual throng of thousands of people between him and the demo devices and I was like wow our experience here at the galaxy studio could not be any different like it's you know it's small it was like I felt like I was in someone's apartment how many people there near probably a 152 other but it's if that yeah and then so we walk in in the minute we get in there I'm just like there's a security guy hanging out by a covered table and I'm like Adam where the where the devices icon some of the cover over there I'm like oh really so I go over to the security guy I'm like hey man sir galaxy s5 under he's like yeah okay so is there one like right at this corner I'm like like we're pointing at a specific area on the table like we're getting at box down to like the millimeter he's like yeah it's it's right there so it's like okay how long until the event starts he's like about 90 minutes all right Adam I'm gonna stand here for the next 90 minutes and that's what we did we've kind of hung out and got our shots ready and we shot a couple pre-rolls and the covers came off and we immediately had device hands-on time so we were lucky because I spotted my own Romanian language being spoken just a couple of meters from us like 75 people away but a couple of meters from us and I just rushed over to my commands and said guys whenever you finished with that just don't put it down hand it over to me and that's how we managed to go uh good call nice well so okay so finally we all got our hands on the devices except for Taylor who is who is backing us up from from the Carolinas and yeah and we we spent some time to that because what was your first impression when you got your hands on the galaxy s5 you had seen the presentation you knew what was coming we had two impressions the first impression we had when we were inside the venue and the presentation was going and we first seen the phone on veal and projected on the big screen I think we both were at the same time like man yes we saw those leaks we remember those gold leaks that would the band-aid look on the back yeah but we had all brushed those leaks off because the company CEO had said that they were gonna launch something completely different for the show well yeah yeah in the sense that they changed their focus on what they're doing with the product per se but it's pretty much the same phone and the second impression came after after that initial the impulse cooled off and then we started looking at things the way we should look at things like taking a step back and looking at the bigger picture sharrap while looking at the bigger picture this is a great phone okay so that's so I think we are all in yeah and I think we are all of different stripes now Tony this this is a rare thing I think I think you and I agree on that because listeners if you haven't seen the the editorial line up on this I wrote a piece called the galaxy s5 doesn't suck as much as your nerd friends say it does because I think it actually does offer a lot that's quite compelling Taylor Martin responded with a piece called the galaxy have five more of the same which is exactly exactly the opposite opinion and it seems like we are 22 aside here gents so I want to be when we say Tony why don't we ask you what is why is this a good device what what did I bring to the table i think i will quote exactly what i said in my house or video that we need to to look at things this way samsung has an extraordinary brand recognition so we need just forget about the leaks which are either the fake or just a fake and understand the fact that the galaxy s5 is indeed not an iteration with an evolution of the s4 which is an evolution of yes free and while doing that while being that it not only has faster processor so better overall specifications but it also has some very useful features now did we expect the leather or aluminum yes did we get Robert yes but then again this is a active like phone this is a ruggedized phone up to a point so there's no really way in doing that with another plastic or aluminum so all things aside I think that this is a film which will switch will be the best selling galaxy ever it will outsell all other galaxies and I don't see the problem it's I mean Apple does the same thing with its devices they follow the same general guidelines the s5 look like yes force yes but then the HTC One max and the one mini look like the HTC One so everybody has a signature design and Samsung is just doing that taking that to the next level you know I and i will i will add to that something that you touched on Tony I think Samsung is yes there do remain gimmicks on this device so I made a big point of saying that the focus is less on gimmicks with this iteration then of course everyone just jumped on the most obvious thing and said well the heart rate sensor is a big ol gimmick yes okay yes it is they've not entirely left that DNA behind but the look at look at what else they've done that that immersion protection you know i mean the sony's been doing it for ages and now samsung has finally looked at a competitor said hey we should do that let's do that and we're not going to put confine it to an active version the phone will just make the flagship itself waterproof yeah you know the software is improved in terms of fluidity how was your demo demo device guys was it smooth yeah it was good yes good so was ours and I was really really surprised and I was the first one with hands on it so I was like wow okay this is how it is after a fresh boot and it's smooth and it looks better it's not real bored winning better but whatever I mean these are these are nice improvements i I really don't like the look of that perforated back panel but I don't like a look of the new rounded icons but in the settings but let's see that that's where we're we're completely separated in opinions like oh yeah i might go i'm torn it with this phone first of all i love the fact that it's rugged i love the fact that you know they I I do like the fact that they've kept the design in a way because I actually did like it I I didn't mind the design I guess my biggest problem is number one that we I sorry another thing that I like just to finalize is the fact that yes this is a phone with less gimmicks we've been asking for this we've been asking for samsung to stop focusing on things that we don't use and they've done it sorry to interrupt the so-called gimmicks are still on the phone they're still there not in your face but ya dig into the settings for air view and he otherwise but then we go to the things that that I don't like what do I don't like for example they did this very simplistic flat UI with the settings but then the rest of the UI is very similar to what we already knew so it's it's both skeuomorphic and flat right so it's kind of mixed and I wish they would have done it uniformly you know they would have flattened everything within the you I agree I agree with that completely yeah yeah that's one thing where i'm like okay did they finish this product because it seems like if they focused on flattening some parts but they couldn't do with the rest and then I'm actually disappointed that they didn't bring the tablet UI that you guys saw at CES or something similar because I really liked that card you I and that whole ambience thing they brought it they brought a fragment of it with the on the magazine's of my magazine bit which is done everything but it did her face on the hill spring well then another thing that I didn't like is ok so if you're a parent galaxy owner like galaxy s4 or galaxy note 3 i'll tell you this much i have an s4 903 and if I really am fitness buff I love to do it and I would rather get me a gear that will give me a heart rate monitor where I actually need it which is in my wrist yeah and you know I would have I would have rather they invest on a xenon flash or something on the back instead of that heart rate monitor which is really useless for me because I mean what if that would have been like a glucometer or something something that somebody that sick really needs but a heart rate monitors I'm not I don't know why would I need that be false yeah the heart rate monitor on this thing is like is like the golf shot of the of the galaxy note 3 like it's that weird one time you know the single-use feature that only a small subset of the of the user base is going to appreciate how I would make more sense on the inside of the band of the gear and it is there exactly I think exactly where it is on an olive the gear for example what did I like about this event Oh different types of gears I love well we're gonna talk about the gears in a second it was really important but but I guess for me it's like okay path like we were on the on the on the train with Tony and he's like man a hundred percent of the people that either use a galaxy phone or an iPhone use a case so what is going to be the point of this heart rate monitor if you're gonna be using it with a case and your fingers gonna have a hard time fitting in there well maybe you know that's true right now but this is not an iphone at all but it's also not ns4 or an s3 because it's not coated in hyper glaze that scratches when you breathe on it wrong like this is this is a woven like glass fiber and polycarbonate blend of some kind and it looks it looks and feels rather rugged so I think if thats people will not carry this in a case quite as often unless you know they get the gold one but you know I don't know I would get the blue myself but I really i think this one is is one of the first flagship class devices you can carry without without a case and be okay with it from Sanders that as wells to solve the European the part of bucket now's a presence in Romania our opinions that be about the only one or two reasons you would need to upgrade your current s4 and no.3 is whether you need to take underwater pictures for you you are a clumsy guy or girl who splashes some sort of fluid on your on your phone or you specifically are a speck head who really has to have the latest specifications else I'm sure that the roms will come out 40s 403 with the new UI with the new settings so in my opinion only this segment of the market and those who are first time samsung galaxy s purchasers or those who need to upgrade will really upgrade to this phone with me having an s4 will probably not i'm going to the s5 so that's a good question so let me get the flip side of this taylor what's you know you've you've heard some of this you wrote an editorial specifically addressing this what are your opinions well it's ugly I'm just gonna say it right like I'm not implying bottom line I'm gonna be around the bush the phone is just hideous and I've never really liked Samsung's design or I guess design language it's not been something i personally like and outside the note line there's nothing that really enticed me to purchase a galaxy s phone I mean it's just yeah yeah so I don't like the design that's completely totally a subjective and I'm totally aware that it's fine people were calling me hypocritical in the comments because I have an opinion the different or differs from there so difficult is welcome to the Internet yeah so yeah I don't like the way it looks and that's that's on me I understand that but the thing the problem that i have with samsung is that it's still ok so it's listen to the complaints of users and it started to fix the appearance of the UI but it hasn't paid attention to the bigger problem which is not the UI but it's that the size of their software i think it was androidcentral who just took a stroll through the storage sub setting menu and found that on the base model the 16 gigabyte model you have less than 8 gigabytes left to the user after just after your first boot yeah would you go micro SD card slot yeah well when you can install apps on your SD card out of the box again then the net complaints valid but it's just why and and the headline or the I guess the caption that I used in the article was prettier bloat is still bloat um and and part of it is that you are forced to keep Samsung's stuff whether you use it or not chat on something I've never used in my entire life is there for good and you can't do anything with it yeah unless you root and that it's that argument is dead in the water well on that note there if there would be within a week or two from the availability of the s5 a google edition of the s5 would that make anything to change your mind for my personal use probably not a general especially when you get the Google Experience launcher now yeah on track the typed I just loaded on the note 3 it's like love it but I have no qualms saying that it's a good phone not at all it will sell millions probably more than anything else on the market but for me it's just it is more the same and that's kind of that's what I want to round this out with taking a look at some other manufacturers at Mobile World Congress specifically Yoda phone and Michael can say what he wants a value 0 phone stuff like that is what really really really intrigues me I would deal with a slightly worse user experience for four features that I'm actually going to use like an eating display on the back but from Samsung the reason I think I'm so quick to hate on them is because or it Samsung has so much money that it can invest in R&D so all that money that it's saving by using plastic instead of metal why don't why doesn't it just invest some of that money into R&D and pushing them push the market forward adding a heart beats and or heart rate sensor on the back of your phone or a fingerprint scanner on the front that if you were actually probably ever going to use why don't you put that time and an effort into creating something that's actually useful so last week last year we learned that it's software features really weren't all that useful air gesture area there all day and realities yeah yeah all those were just kind of to sell the phone and that's that's what Samsung cares about it doesn't care about pushing the market forward in it name and and truly innovating features that are going to help users it cares about moving units and that just rubs me the wrong way it makes sense in every company to a degree is about moving units but I agree that other companies are able to balance that better and actually bring bring new and very useful things to the market and are you trying to suggest that Samsung is the new Apple you know I actually told Tony that's like there's like the great opportunity for editorial it says okay Sam's like now you're looking more like Apple than ever yeah because this was like come on Samsung I can't believe they come up with a curve display they come up with so many feet you know things last year and we get the same phone with just a couple of benign the software changes you know and I'm room I'm remembering back to the first Samsung device I ever reviewed for pocket now which was the galaxy s3 and I remember I remember that thing coming out and my expectations could not have been lower and it blew me away there were definitely things I didn't like about it there's a lot that we've been over and over and over again but when it came out it had a whole bunch of features as usual as some of them didn't work right but on the s3 a lot of them did work well you know I still remember like the sum of the did the core of some of these ideas like smart stay being like wow that makes sense if I look at the phone i want the screen to stay on if I don't then I wanted to go off of course it didn't work in the dark but you know this was the first time we saw a side of these things and it was bundled into a device that I think as a result of legal action they were still there was still a very different legal landscape back then with regard to Apple they had to do something really different with the hardware you know they had a different motivation to do that but the end result was a device that actually looked different I see the s3 out in public today and I'm like wow that thing look at around it it is it's not like it's not like much else out there and with the SF whisk it is it's babble esque and when they now they've gone back to the S you know the s4 they made it more boring and then as5 it's just well I don't think it's boring but it's just weird so I don't know you know I think Samsung's had some some up and downs here you can counterbalance those with the water resistance but then you've got that fingerprints kind of thing which you mentioned briefly to and it's like what okay when they said they were putting a fingerprint scanner in the home button at first I was like oh cool Wow the home button doesn't look any different than a regular home button that's awesome and then they revealed that they were using the swype method and I'm like you guys know then saw my video hora song idea yeah yep did you did you try to deter try to learn you i forgot what happened because I didn't include that my video I tried for a long time to learn to make it learn my fingerprints and it just fail them we'll just brush it up and say that this is probably a creep reduction software i'm i'm waiting for the device to get nervous doesn't matter it doesn't matter it's in the wrong place for a swipe action fingerprint thing if you're gonna do a swipe thing you do it on the back you don't do it on the front and the home button when when you press and hold is the only thing that works down there because it's a frickin button well it'll work or it works pretty well yeah but it works differently on touch ID it's just we did a comparison with the 5s and man it didn't matter how many times I tried I did my best and that fingerprint scanner just did not capture my swype i think i'm going to be unusually a separate opinion and this I'm gonna wrap my opinion on the s5 with this one I once in every ten years I agree with Michael that just happens and now it's that time but I also slightly disagree so I my biggest problem with the s5 is that it only has two gigs of ram it should have three gigs of ram correct me if I'm wrong what has you thread two games yeah but why should it have three gigs now because the no.3 has four games and TouchWiz as it is now needs three gigs especially if you're going to use all the applications which come bundled or even if you use the the gym the activity of applications which can constantly run and monitor and do stuff but that aside I don't really have a problem with the s5 whether it looks good or bad that's up to everybody so we don't even need to discuss about the looks and in terms of features is there a break monitor yes will you use it now don't lose it will you use it yes use it same with the fingerprint scanner so and try on trakis ease as long as they keep the price at the same level and not bump it because of these things which you might or might not use then it's just like an option if you don't like it don't use it or disable it yes yeah and like on a product level that makes sense but I mean what what this says about about Samsung's future strategy actually make fills me with a little bit of hope because for all of the things that we can find to complain about with it I really think this signifies a move toward actually listening to people in providing things that people want heart rate monitor fingerprint sensor aside and I think if the if the company had had more time after their agreement with Google we would have seen those software improvements hi me that you were looking for and that I was looking for because this that this build of touch with screams to me I rushed you know I if flattening and and and slight tweaking to get it out the door to give it good performance and to make it look like we did something different with it I think if they had made that agreement with Google months and months and months ago we would have seen a entirely different touch wit or nobody mm-hmm sorry nobody rushed outside to announce the s5 we were I'm not had a hard time believing up until the last moment that we're gonna see the S man februari like 10 or 11 months after vs 4 announcement and coming back to the show so they could have done the same announced in April they would have had two more months two I don't know work on the software side making beautiful make it more beautiful and then but no they wanted to I think they want to be HTC to the bunch this time because if the rumors are true the s4 sales weren't up to Samsung's and expectations and to do they cared do I think they can't listen we were so incredulous is that a word yes it's now it is now no doubt word in Spanish it is incredible but we were so incredulous of a launch of the s5 at mwc that we finished filming the intro and we start walking towards the train and we look at the sign right beside us in front of the venue that says meet the next Galaxy and I'm like dude do we go back and record that whole segment again feels like now let's look like that yes i watch your intro and I was like cuz I was never I had never had the doubts that you guys didn't kudos to you for your skepticism but I was like no yes we're seeing it's called the unpacked 5 event of course we're seeing the galaxy as much I just cracked me i was i'm watching the intro my go guys oh we're gonna have a nice fun come on did do we go back and refill this now tell me let's go get food did because it's interesting to me that that you say like they wanted to beat HTC to the punch because we have an editorial that addresses this straight up right again from Taylor i I don't know that Samsung really care it cares too much and you know how I know they care how it's not been shown because they wanted to be the first one so if if the announcement would have been now and availability within a week two or three I would have said okay samsung doesn't care about HTC but this is what Samsung Samsung made the announcement now to make the announcement before HTC's announcement in March guess what yes five will be available in April after HTC's announcement right input and also the they had the worldwide stage to do it on with mwc and it was interesting by the way to see a major manufacturer come back to mwc you for a huge amount that's that's a new that's it i think at first no school in a while i was probably one of the high points of mwc the fact that Samson came back yeah if we take HTC's launch date for the one last year and compare it to the galaxy s5s launch date so that's April 14th for the galaxy s5 and April nineteenth for the original one if HTC launches the one around the exact same time like the 12 though the actual one year mark they're gonna be launching within days of one another anyway interesting yeah so if that and it gives them like more than two weeks i think it's 20 days or something or more than 20 days almost 30 days no i don't know what it is I can't do math okay but their march five works for 25 and their one-year date would be April nineteenth so it'd be almost a month after they announced it so I think yeah I think they could announce it and then launch it within 23 days of Samsung huh so that that to me shows that it really doesn't matter if Samsung wanted to beat HTC to the punch because nobody's gonna be able to really buy these things until around the same time anyway the only thing only thing that would really matter is if Samsung has or opens pre-orders you know around the time that is a job and working for samsung in terms of SEO and keywords because the new Galaxy or ds5 are already super hot and trending keyboards and that's going to be a huge major win against HTC that they're going to be higher ranked on search engines for the specific and guys there's a lot of food on the table right now I the iphone 6 rumors are starting to get strong there are there's a lot of reports that it'll be launched in June and that it'll be bigger and better than ever according to the rumors so you know but think about this the galaxy s3 was the best galaxy ever sold these people are about to leave their contracts this you know the spring so this is like the best time to launch the s5 early enough to lure these people away from an iphone 6 sure and I feel I feel that that's really the strategy that they're focusing if you're going from an s3 to an S 5 that's a massive jump yeah exactly i recommend that absolutely exactly so i feel that they're really doing it to capture the s3 customers back okay uh it lets you also regardless of how these devices compared right up against one another HTC one to all new HTC One and Galaxy s5 horrible name da hoe and hoe gigantic giganto the galaxy s5 is going to launch accompanied by a massive ecosystem of hardware specifically wearables let's talk a little bit about those we expected the galaxy I'm gonna do this all the time we expected the gear to and the gear 2 neo not galaxy because they're running Tizen which is weird but we did not expect the gear fit I don't think I think that was surprised to pretty much all of us right yep yeah so I remember like when he wouldnt Peter Chao and it's uh it's chew and its chew by the way yes it's true threats in Soochow when Peter to held up the this is where the wearables when he came out is that where we're talking about the hold on mirchi was CEO was a ship when Jimmy JK Shin I'm sorry she's I'm an idiot when JK Shin was out there it's early here and samsung subcontracted HTC CEO announces new product yeah the world I apparently in have it early in the morning sorry I'm dumb um no no but when did woody was like hey check it out we got three new wearables and I remember looking up in the stu galaxy to do I mean like wait huh what what would three I guy I know that we're expecting the gear to what what's this so we had the gear to gear to and gear 2 neo which we were expecting and then the gear fit pops up I immediately was smitten as they say because this thing yeah and on one respect it's like a Fitbit ripoff but it's so awesome what do you guys think of it I like it that's the way the fitness band should be it's like this is really gonna kill the purpose for you to ever buy either a Nike FuelBand or Fitbit four hundred fifty dollars when you can just you know this is really gonna but and here's the strategy is just so cool looking that it'll make you be like okay this is a reason why I would buy a galaxy because it obviously only works with a galaxy phone and you know it kind of makes sense and if they figure out a way to bundle Italy it'll be even better okay here's my opinion guess what can you guess it I can guess that you don't like it I don't like it here and here's why because it's not not like the other morons who say dude this sucks and the full sup no I the reason why I don't like it is that ok everybody can make a wearable which has a heart rate monitor has a software it communicates with a phone aggregates results and so on what I don't like about it is the actual usage scenario me ergonomy of it then I know it's a yeah this comes down to this we have a longitudinal display and once that is on your wrist you either have to twist your wrist completely can you explain this Michael better yeah yeah yeah because the display does not dies the display bisect your wrist so if you raise it like a wristwatch it's going to appear vertical to you and you're not going to be able to use it you're going to turn your arm so the only way to use it effectively is to wear the thing on the inside of your wrist and doing that way yep yep and that's problem yeah else it's great for those who who work out I personally use a different part rate monitor which is a more professional not a consumer-oriented thing but sure if you are just trying to lose some weight station or getting shade get fit that is absolutely a great thing but unfortunately that's not enough when it comes to me twisting my wrist and arm in order to see everything like I'm trying to literally do that yes si Senora so what if you know if you want to wear it on the outside of your wrist you can't do it if you want to wear like regular wrist watch it won't work like that I don't think but you if you wear it on the if you're willing to wear it on the inside of your wrist I think it could actually work pretty well and as I said when I was trying the thing out I'm like I'm not even a runner like all you guys you know you guys are exercised guys and whatever and I don't do any of that I don't care about the heart rate monitor I just want a cool-lookin smartwatch and this is the coolest looking SmartWatch I've ever seen it's got the curved AMOLED panel which is beautiful it's the software is is just as pretty as it is on this on the gear to stuff like it really looks amazing and even wearing it on the inside of the wrist like that still can play into their Samsung's strategy if they're going to persist in this of using nostalgic advertising because some of those future watches did in fact go on the inside of the wrist so it's like I think this should be the centerpiece of their of their strategy not these iterations on the Galaxy gear that frankly aren't that impressive now one question guys because I really don't remember this does the gear fit include the four gigs of storage just like it's not I wait it doesn't let you do the voice calling and I don't think it as local storage but let me look that up well okay because here's the deal so I am a runner and for me using the professional heart rate monitor on my chest is extremely uncomfortable because it slides down as you're running you have to be you have to either wear it really tight or hat big well and for the average human being that's not a problem in my case I swept more than the average human so for me it's really common for it to slip knot and then and then wearing and I've been wearing anything that's bigger than an iphone on my arm is uncomfortable as well so I'm forced to either use an iphone or something so for me to actually just use the watch have my music there and have the watch track everything and not need anything else is actually something cool but you know I actually be willing to sacrifice and just use the gear and not necessarily the gear fit just for these features I'm not sure whether it's records on the watch and then sinks or whether it does it does it that it does but i'm not sure if it can on the gear fit i know that the gear does but not be the fifth are you able to just leave your Galaxy S 4 or 5 ago and it will record your your statistics and then sync them to the phone yeah doesn't have to be in constant connection with the phone in which case you have to invite es5 cuz that's waterproof because you sweat a lot no no it does but and that's that's really the cool thing that you can you can just use it alone I'm just not sure if you can also carry music with the Cure fit that's I know you can do with the gear just not sure about that you're not seeing a mention of that the spec she doesn't mention onboard storage on the fit so I know you can't take make and take calls on it and I think onboard storage is the other difference yeah so but yeah but yeah so it you know I'm looking forward to getting wrist on time with the with the gear fit I'm looking forward actually more too high man Anton if it's possible using it because you know I'm not going to be running around the neighborhood like now with my stuff and we did you wrong with a burrito in your hand Michael Michael good Michael Fisher you are mr. phone Santa please indulge us with the gear fit and we'll definitely film all the videos in and I'm in jaime's bizarre world like I'm the gatekeeper of all these devices that never make it tone like I mean I don't get these either you understand me we smuggled them into Honduras yeah I love the I am not terribly stoked about the gear 2 in the gear 2 neo and I want to hear your y'all's opinion on it because it they've incorporated a lot of improvements to the original Galaxy gear they've made the band's switchable they have added that onboard storage that you you were talking about before I may but yeah these these things are it whether they're smaller they're lighter but these things are lacking any of the personality I think of the original Galaxy gear they remove those the pronounced screws the band has been minimized because it no longer has the speaker on it so it's like a more the picture remove the wart and yeah listen I'm not gonna complain about the missing camera ward that's that's mine you're the only one in the team that's actually used the gear as your daily driver so why don't you tell us what you don't like I don't like that they I'm in the minority here okay so i don't like that the band is now switchable and i understand that it offers more more choice and I that I'm all for that but the sacrifices they've made to do that have resulted in a device that just looks rather dull it's denis oh is probably carbon if they didn't hear too i think is still metal but the screws are gone on the outside of the casing not a lot of people like the look of those i happen to like the look of those that was one thing i did like about it ya like it like I wish pebble steel had some kind of industrial thing like that like some giant screws on the sides and and and if they look I'm looking at the original gear now and they look they look pretty pretty good still I think and then they've put this big old home button underneath the screen which I understand if you want to make make the experience consistent with your smart phones okay fine but for a no do the other thing take the stupid home button off your smart phones because home button true stupid and unless that's unless that's like one of those optical track bolts or trackpad it's not yeah it's I mean oh babe I they did when that would make it would make sense on a on a watch it may be and something so sliced it would be interesting like they've taken it they moved it from the side where it's actually easier to hit and put it down below it oddly enough it seems like it's easier to do but pushing a button down below the screen I wrist so how have you did you use an ipod nano wait like the wrist the wrist one no just like the simple player the small square one yeah I had one and it was a horrible so the only reason why Samsung but the home button on that the SmartWatch was for you to not swipe back three times at home but to push the button now back in the day of the ipod now Apple had no home buttons and a long tap would take you back to the home boom problem fixed now home button shortcut to the hell well you could just swipe up from the bottom of the display now you swipe down for the tub or I'm just saying like there could be different gestures to remove the this is so there that's the thing like still I use top-down swipe from back gesture so if you're going to eliminate the gesture driven interface fine then you put a button on it then you'll rethink the whole thing okay cool but that's not what they did they threw a button on there and they still didn't do anything to change the existing interface so you can still swipe down from the top to go back to the home screen and that feels better it takes less effort than Strine estab a stupid button you know what is a button thing we step buttons all the time they put the button on there just to piss my pants yeah I drew I don't tell you exactly this is an exclusive prediction the gear 3 will have the same button but it will be swipeable for your finger event today this much I do like the gear um and I do like it because it's more useful than a lot of things like for example again for me it's uncomfortable to actually wear a heart rate monitor for me it's uncomfortable too I don't know like I I have a SmartWatch but then other people have their polar watches their their gps watches I like to just have one product that does everything sure well why not I'm okay with that so I don't know I guess that this would be like a smart for example the gear the original gear had a lot of problems with it the battery life is terrible it was optically it wasn't the better that was terrible at launch and then they fixed it yeah notifications were terrible at launch and then they fix them that's the thing the gear was it not a bad product ultimately but it launched in an undercooked state that Samsung's fault yes but the product now is quite good so you're saying maybe Samsung sure to focus on on continuing to improve the original gear instead of launching the neo and two and just launched the active fit whatever its name is and keep the original gear while keeping its updates come on I think that if I have no problem with new products you know me I love the new and shiny thing and if you're gonna launch a galaxy s5 you might as well launch a new wearable with it but I just don't agree with a lot of the changes they've made because I just not convinced they were necessary so I guess that's what I'm interested in I me like I'm a RN D'Antoni and Taylor anybody do you like the look of the of the new one I mean do you like the look and feel of it as compared to the original I the only reason why I like it is because I can't see the work anymore and that's that's enough for me that was the biggest problem and it's that aesthetics for me and the reason why i like it again the sensors the addition of the sensors the additional storage that allows me what is your the aspect the looks the looks of it just as the way I don't see I don't see it any different to the original I'm sorry and for me it's like I see it and I just remember the original gear that's really it was for example if you look at the original pebble and then look at the pebble steel you're like wow yeah there there's just a huge difference absolutely now that once I agree with Tony the warts going I'm happy yeah what's gone is good it's a good thing I I'm interested to give it a shot I don't think I don't hate these things I know I'm the debbie downer around this I just I just was kind of hoping for more and then what do we think about the switch to ties and guys this is a very strange thing in the wake of Samsung's apparent make nice session with Google I wouldn't have expected to see Tizen hit on a major sure they are able to fit Android unavailable with such low specifications so that then they did another gear Tony yeah but then again they added more features which required even more horsepower and the horsepower is maybe just a little bit improved so i think that there's two aspects here the first one they didn't want to continue delivering the Android experience because of the specs and number two I think they're testing the waters a little bit in terms of thysen artisan both with the gear and with the looks of the settings within the s5 just to see how people relate or react to that and it's going to be inevitable at one point that samsung will launch a different line with Tizen to compete with its own line of android phone so i think that there's there's they're just trying to see how people react or that to this change it's a testing the water saying my opinion i think it's just a double bird to google by on its back there it does not happen yeah all right willing them all you know when you get companies like Nokia which we'll talk about soon doing android phones you get to wonder if it's really a stab at Google I mean it's an open source platform you can do whatever you want with it so they're not really forced to move to Tyson I mean they could fork it as much as they want and Google cannot do anything because they created the animal and additionally having your own platform on your own brother Apple has proved this for four years now it brings you better results probably been more difficult to tailor androids that specific need of the gear but then they can build all the way from the ground up Tyson to fit that wearable that's a good point well as we as we move off of this i want to ask all of you guys if you have a choice about the three of them you're you're presented but with a choice of all three and you can only pick one for your personal use which one do you pick Tony near that what neither own either you don't want anything somebody comes up to your three boxes they say that you can have one of these for free you're like no thank you goodbye ya know maybe if you tell me what you want I want that and it to you all right that is a not exactly a valid answer but that'll work all right Jaime Nell take the full gear the the gear too yeah okay all right and why storage come on dude we're geeks we want the most capable one okay all right all right what about you Taylor which one's the most expensive it's pricier than sundays you still w I bet that fits gonna be the most expensive just because of that like that I think they can get more money from it thanks to its it's sooo veldt ness and it's curved screen I think they can ask more and they'll get it so I'll take the most expensive and sell it on ebay because I don't have a galaxy phone you guys are the worst the worst people ever you know I don't have a samsung device they're useless to you so why would I have one I wanted to say laying a hypothetical game I'm asking you if you would think between the two of those lenses do you know I wanted to respond pebble steel but you didn't give me the option sorry let's do that's true all right I would take the air-fuel the things we all know why I would take the gear fit or we've talked about the steel billion times okay yeah that's a wonderful time great times enjoyable thing links in the Samsung let's move on we'll talk more about that in the weeks ahead as we get our hands on demo units and so on now you were saying hi made that the other big big big thing that that brought you that impressed you from the show was the massive sony launched which you guys seem to think with me oh that was me i'm sorry there's Tony so I you guys seem to think that that was somehow on par with the samsung launched but I don't I don't I don't get it what was I'm not talking about the entire event and I'm not talking about the entire portfolio okay in terms of portfolio i think that samsung took at hell yeah in terms of specific phones in terms of specific 2014 flagships and this is my personal opinion I really think that the z2 is the better phone between the z2 and the s5 and not necessarily because the z2 on paper has better specifications but because the z2 Taylor's better to my own needs it is the beauty to look at but again that's a subjective thing it has the glass sandwich aluminum thing which I really liked about the z1 so as I said with the occasion of my g1 reviewed that would have been my daily driver if the camera would have not sucked and I I'm gonna say this a million times until people believe me when I got the z1 in that initial condition of the software the cameras mm improves on that with a larger sensor with a better optics oh I'm hoping if it's going to be a better user experience now the z2 is for the moment the android phone of the year for me so in the display is fixed to write these vehicles so god this under on the compact I Mike well you have to see that display Michael um you know actually brought the ZL and I felt it was just not even worth filming a comparison because it's night and day yeah this is I am okay so if I had if I had to buy an nwc phone and it was from my cash and I had to choose one the zo would take the cake I am just I'm sorry but the z2 sorry it is a very beautiful phone the display is just gorgeous it's very gorgeous Lee implemented and you know hey I've been using iPhones ever since they launched them for me this is the as is the iphone for Android it's just the build quality of this phone the feel in the hand watering the spring water and dustproof you know that the sound of the speakers everything and you know the fact that the cameras pixels are now bigger the sensors bigger sorry the same sensor is on the compact 18.7 that same 20.7 megapixel sensor only got the physical dimensions of the sensor are larger are bigger so you were sitting more like getting in you aren't your pixels but in the same sensor and improve optics and I also hope and improved software algorithm that transforms whatever the sensor sees into good-looking JPEGs and that was already like they had already really dealt very nicely with their noise problem on the c1 comments 1 as well as even s as well yeah yeah honestly if I had to buy a phone that would be it from WC nice what is the Snapdragon 801 guys is that just a very minor tweak on the 800 what's the story there was a tornado 10 all this matter you know what if I can recall what was launched either at CS or before CS and you guys should just give me a little time here until I find that particular article because I wasn't so shocked about you know when I was expecting either one it's a cynical yeah it's a it's a slug investor Snapdragon 800 yep okay Roger Roger all right well that's that's cool so I mean we're gonna see the same Sony skin as we used to we saw this all in the video so this is it but here's my thing because we have it a uniquely American mindset or we do me me this one person over here in this gray box has a uniquely American mindset because that's where I live but I'm gonna see a bunch of galaxy s5s on the shelves here in the states and I'm gonna see billboards and bus wraps and stupid TV commercials and I'm probably not going to like I'm not going to see a single bit of advertising from sony and i'm only going to see this thing probably on one shelf and that's t-mobile USA shelf and i'm really gonna have to wait like six months for ad will remember we reviewed the z1 back in the summer in august and it landed on tmobile only after she yes I was like yeah right right right yeah probably be the same thing all over my question is do we think that Sony's gonna change that behavior all I mean they have a device that can compete they have a device that can beat other devices on the market and and and look good doing it so why why did lack of us focus do we know well remember when they launched the Z and the CL the company CEO was very specific they were gonna stay away from the US market and focus only on Europe and Asia and that was going to be their target and they kept that strategy for pretty much the full year until they announced the change in focus but I'm trying to remember if it was by the end of last year or at CSI remember when it working mentioned that so I guess that we have seen that lack of presence intentionally last year and I believe that it's something that is going to change now obviously all is yet to be proven I yeah I think that they if they have not flagged for a u.s. Bush now that they have seen the s5 they will because I've been talking to different people at mwc from different OEMs and I'm not going to name any of those and believe me the general perception was that people are relieved after the s5 event relief relief as in now we have a better chance as they were expecting much more something that they couldn't get to something which should set a new target to play catch up to but now seeing that what the s5 is these different OEMs regardless it their high end or low around or myth here they now really think they stand a chance so to put it in plain English and you have to bleep it up they think Samsung up mmm everybody thinks samsung Cup yeah yeah so yeah that's kind of what i said in the the piece that i wrote about more of the same last year Samsung kind of pushed the ball forward with the s4 and it did so with the s3 and it's kind of been driving the momentum for the android market and this year it was just kind of like you know take a step back and it's not really pushing forward that hard anymore did you say they were pushing forward with the s4 because I think that was the most competitive iterative and overblown and underwhelming device I've ever seen from them right yes but I guess in purely in a specification standpoint yes they were just just specifications yes okay but not necessarily like innovation or anything they were pushing hard with specifications they always have since the original galaxy s yeah and this year it's from people this year because they expected another round of that from the galaxy line which is supposed to be this hard core awesome users line for the ultimate top shelf and that's not what what this is ok just a rumor circulating on the Barcelona show floor that we might see not one but two cents on flagships and I'm not talking about the s and the notes but we might see the S we've seen it from here he'll probably have Aoife and people believe that there might be a summer flagship phone really celica generally be yeah the aluminum phones and they'll get a meal we got the premium from the real flagship remember the galaxy f reverse and everything if that happens then samsung smart so i'm just so i'm still so stuck on the sony thing and not just because that's where we are on the run down i know we have to move on but let's let's just end on this note what do we think the z2 is going to change anything for sony yeah i do think that the z1 already changed a lot of things for sony they are back and in the game not as stop players but but they are there in the game with a solid device and they improve them being built on that solid device and i think that at the moment they have the best android phone on the market right now right there do you think we'll see a c2 compact I think we will see not only as e to compact that we will also see soon American variety not only one but maybe two in in the US we better because it would be wonderful to to use these America that's what I would do if I would be a CEO of sony because they really have a stand a chance now well I would say that you know that'll happen when hell freezes over but that has already occurred with the creation of a nokia android phone can you guys get I me like I mean either of you guys can you bring us through this this event can you tell us the story here of what this was like to be there but I just I was shocked and first in the first place I was shocked to see Stephen Elop on stage and I was asking time I like I love the guy he's one of my top CEOs awesome presenter for me he his his keynote sir the but I had no idea what he was doing on the stage because she obviously is no longer she if Nokia he no longer works for nokia he now works for Microsoft that he's had a devices division and he wasn't there in Microsoft quality so he was there I think as we see around here he was the circus beer that was shown off on stage the circus fam do you have a cell around here not Steven feel up to the stage to give it even more more consciousness emphasis to this event well he does work for no pay he's the executive vice president advice and services for now and he could then the acquisition will close soon and yeah yeah and I taken there yeah but but I see what you mean no no no but I understand because he's no longer yeah I think he was playing a figurehead status at this event to launch this phone but what was it like like he's up there he's like what does it say like hey we got an android phone here it is well he it was interesting because he never really mentioned Android per se he said that the nokia X X plus an XL line are based on Android Open Source Project yeah that's the exact reason he used and then he quickly turned to say that the this is a phone which is focusing on Microsoft services so with this specific phone we are continuing to aim at users using skype outlook.com office and all the entire microsoft suit and they will probably do a heavy vetting on which android applications will get into nakia store because the bootloader is locked cyberlink is at the moment not possible sir you're confined to running android apps which are approved by nokia and the nokia store on the phone right so Joe leave I wrote an interesting editorial called it calling the nokia X not a real android phone and i really like this debate because it's yes it runs android but it has this kind of custom UI layer on top you're confined to this app store full of it's like I don't know about you guys and maybe this is a little short-sighted of me but whenever I'm running a Windows Phone like the only time i'm using like Nokia's here maps and like nokia music is because i don't have a better alternative because i'm using a Windows Phone I would not willingly use them on a device where I could side load something that is superior in right celery yeah so III I failed to be moved by this I mean everyone was so jazzed about this the device is launched and I think regardless of the size correct me if I'm wrong but these are all devices for emerging markets the number of them are back can blow you away good in that that's actually what I wanted to say right now we are not we're not their target no we're definitely not their target they have they want to make a big push in emerging markets specifically in India and you know obviously they're having trouble because the price is no longer a setting stone for Android we've got the Moto G I mean it's it's there they're going they're going head-to-head on price points and they I guess they wanted to win in that own turf they're having trouble moving developers towards the platform what they're trying to do is creating nokia customers really i think that what they're trying to do is push their brand farther and i think that the phone is capable it's not ugly it's not pretty it's just the mid-tier phone that the UI is really interesting it's very snappy you can you don't do you don't the only reason why you know it's Android is when you go into settings Sang's looks exactly like Android but then the rest of it is is no gear well then and then I'm gonna come in and say that I don't like them the physical aspects of the phone on the outside it's just not yet signature and we're going to talk about that you either love them or hate them but not necessarily those styles those two details because they don't resemble anything they don't look anything like the real towns on Windows don't but I get it they want to have these three phones nicely fitting into the Windows Phone or folio which is good but then again my biggest problem is that how on earth can you have a low resolution screen on a super-huge device because I was literally on my Brandon here but I was counting the pixels especially Excel right but but of course and that's that's part of that whole like mid-range push right it's that said low end of our line is absolutely yeah but if I'm a typical user or any of you guys what would be aside from the price that single point which would push you towards buying one of these three phones when you have devices like the Moto G like the s3 for instance or even the s2 which is also capable full-fledged android phone why would you buy a nokia X I mean it would come down to availability because I at some point you know and I think companies definitely understand this yes three year old device that is technically superior might might suit somebody better but people don't want to buy a three year old device they will settle for reduced specs if the thing is new you know and this thing is tailored specifically for certain types of customers with features that are I think going to be geographically unique to to where they're offered so it's like you know I I don't think I think I made a good point before and I certainly agree that these are not for us these are not for people who think like us or necessarily have the have the kind of a you know disposable income that that people in the flagship market really think I'm gonna back up on this that it will create a window stone like frustration and let me explain this i as a windows phone user and often frustrated because I don't have a proper official YouTube have a Google+ application or GL and so on and yes my this penetration of the wiggle sorry stration will definitely be present on nokia X and its users because it's like you're rocking a Porsche without the Porsche engine I mean I'm rocking an android phone without the ability of installing YouTube drive and all the others a police ship applications from the google suit so I think that I'm not sure I would never buy this phone know and and and i think that underscores the point it's not for us that's not just this isn't the kind of thing but so my the thing i was saying before it and i was aware of this i mean we've all been aware that this is not a device for us but the the readership seems to seems to have expected like a nokia android phone that was going to blow everybody away and now there's this kind of interesting backlash and it's like whatever you know that's not going to happen my question is do we think that this will continue after them you're soft acquisition actually closes smoothly because there are three lineups now it's the Lumia lineup which is the high end it's the exes which is the mid-tier and it's the ashes and not get really had to fill that yet now that they will probably in the near future no longer a Lumia phones and even even if they will the Asha phones are too low and for the target which which they have in mind so they really couldn't have a lower end Windows Phone and they couldn't have a higher and Asha so they're like why don't we just fork Android and you have a mid-tier and everything and not only that just think about this guy's who owns the Windows Phone store Microsoft okay who makes that thirty percent cut what is it thirty percent than Microsoft okay so who owns the Nokia Store on Android nokia my god yep okay there-there there-there bridging to a different type of market there they're looking for ways to make more money out of software and services and yeah and in the end this is a Microsoft company but Microsoft is just figuring out more ways to make money out of software and it says this is just like the Amazon ecosystem amazon their whole intent was to make money from the app store sure from selling the services and microsoft is just trying to figure out new ways to make money out of ecosystems and it's not Microsoft is doing it it's nokia you know it's not there may have been Microsoft influence but it's still a salary of course of course but i guess i can't i can't blame microsoft before using the mac pro to build the games for the xbox for example they're just shaming shamelessly using another source of income and there they can nail it why not plus with the Microsoft acquisition of nokia's devices division nokia still has to continue to live off of something and the Asha phones will not provide yeah well but that's nokia but that's that that other division of nokia that's not going to be doing this cuz right cuz that this there's no get x stuff all this stuff is gonna get absorbed when microsoft this isn't the stuff that's staying with nokia right yeah I think the minute that acquisition closes Microsoft is a pretty prideful company and I really think that they're sort of you know all in on Windows Phone I would not be surprised to see this the plug pulled on this right after the acquisition happens well Joe Belfiore was was really upset with the announcement of it I don't know if you're yet you didn't you just quote yeah now what was his quote where were you worried goodness from me I don't know I read it uh Joe Belfiore nokia X me see if I can find it really quickly yeah yeah um oh wait a second this is new to me so I was you know for me it was like oh this is a smart strategy they're opening up a new app store and they're gonna make money out of Android that's why not my croissants in doing is this is not yes than doing in the Nokia part of Nokia which is not Microsoft so you guys feel this is gonna be the next kin uh yeah well actually I mean and obviously the company's culture has changed a lot since then but it's or maybe it hasn't i don't know but i certainly didn't put it past them i mean III see the little little touches of what you're talking about here there are things we're less excited about said senior executive Joe Belfiore yo this is from TechCrunch yeah they'll do some things we're excited about this is nokia and some things were less excited about he said to a room of chuckling journalists and analysts yeah yeah i think i think the first headline i read was a little sensationalist i think it may have been Gawker or something but it's that way yeah but not sensational list yeah but it said Microsoft pissed about nokia X that was the headline oh yeah right so anyway we'll see what happens we got to move on before we moved entirely off Microsoft the they've announced eight or eight or nine hardware partners so the interesting part about this to me just really quickly is that yeah there's a bunch of Chinese and Indian manufacturers in here which is cool because then we're seeing Microsoft say actively say wow we need a low-end presence let's get a bunch of manufacturers to build phones and not that I'm saying all these manufacturers are only going to build low-end phones but I think a lot of them are and so I that's going to be there their budget push not this weirdo android disagree this too will be the budget bush and now please correct me if I'm wrong because nothing gets into the mwc bubble but I've heard the reports that at the same Windows Phone 8.1 announcement the words along the lines have been spoken that Android will be capable of running on future windows phone hardware no backwards way when those phone will be able to run on any no no no you guys talk about something I look this up all right I looked at it because I'm interested to see what what that is but the interesting part about this announcement to me was that not just that we're gonna see funds from carbon and lava and long cheer and such but that's what that well yeah but that two of the licensees that are like quote-unquote announced at this thing are ZTE and LG both of whom had Windows Phone licenses in the past so it'll be cool to see what CT does with it just because like ZTE is capable of doing some interesting stuff so how's right windows phone 8.1 will be able to be run on existing Android devices via on-screen buttons yeah I'm this yeah this this is actually something which was simply said at that event so then why not run windows so here's the deal i mean you own your s5 I'm just I'm just not sure if you have to have to root your phone or something but she you buy windows you buy a Windows Phone license and you've been installed on your android phone I mean why not why why would you though like I've never been in a situation where I'm like gosh windows phone hardware sucks I sure wish I had you know windows phone running on a samsung galaxy s4 scary around you cannot run android on the lumia right rights but he will be able to run Windows Phone 8.1 on the s4 no but that's my point why would I want to do that the Lumia is better suited to Windows Phone as I want has a better game beautiful live tiles on my galaxy s why alive tiles are not getting enough of the sweet plastic treatment just by the teeth if it's this ileum this is mike remove on what we've heard about dual booting yeah but who cares about to like nobody is about to a building and no consumer has ever liked stood up and been like I really want a dual boot so hard you know just imagine the average user neither of us I'm imagining the average user that's exactly imaginings hey i'm running the touchwiz version of the s4 and tomorrow i can just flip doing those phone nobody the average consumer doesn't know what TouchWiz or Windows Phone means it's on it okay okay we saw mwc during the show and after the show how many Lumias that you see on the trains when we were when the when the show was on it doesn't come out that we all know that Microsoft is really struggling for that bleh digit market share their business is not the cell phones their businesses to still software and what they're doing is trying to figure out another way to sell software that's what they're doing well that would be compelling I would I agree that choice choice is excellent okay so a good example of this I would love to see windows phone on an HTC One I think that would be uh you're saying something very interesting there exactly exactly I mean why would I not so I guess they still feel that people want to run office on their phones as if you can't already do a lot of things that office can do on current services but I guess they want that they want that push and just like you can run windows on a samsung acer asus notebook windows the basic version of windows why can't you do it on any phone that you want if you if you're willing to pay for the software right and i want to call out this this particular thing dual booting will specifically not be allowed but the terms of this thing so it's like wow okay you know the thing like the whole do boo dual booting thing is very especially with windows one that's very I guess hypothetical and theoretical but I think in in practice nobody would actually ever dual boot like when if you're running Android why would you need to boot to windows phone you get them saying like a lot of people aren't ever gonna want to do that anyway it's just if you wanted if you need it often and there are still people who need off it's like I get comments from from college students especially whose professors or you know it might be old school and it's like you you need to turn in your form in a dot docx file it's like okay but if you do that on long drive pretty much any document editor you need to make a powerpoint you know oh okay so we have a couple minutes ago we got to move on to miss quit go ahead on me with your final Microsoft is just going back to the roots they're trying to make money any way possible and that's what they're doing the question is how much is the license going to cost you and how long would it take to get that into xda-developers yeah here's the thing I don't think we're going to have concrete details on any of this until a after the Nokia position is complete and be after Microsoft's new CEO is actually in working and we have a new flow here with with Bill Gates in his new position and everything so this is all very early stage stuff which is a shame because it seems like the Windows Phone story has been like let's wait for more news on this for three years four years and it was the final nail to the coffin it is not a nail in a coffin the windows phone is fine it'll be fine yes while Microsoft continues to hemorrhage money into a not growing plant they can bleed money for next 20 years and they'll be fine sure that that's probably not untrue it's exist so miscellaneous to get you guys out the door in Ojai me and Anton have important Romanian business to attend to yes yes yes Romanian accent you do that pretty well it sounded more Swedish let's talk about the new desires gentlemen you had hands-on time with him I did not know there was actually only one desire okay 16 the other one was not on the show floor and even the 816 was there in a capacity which only allows certain members of the media to have hands-on because the rest of the devices were under a slab of glass Raj Raj but you got some time with it at one of those yeah yeah yeah so what what's the story of Joe leave I wrote an editorial said the new desires finally live up to the name is that the impression that you young and it over to Hina cuz he's super excited about the desire oh thank you very much than me thank you yeah play this game for two years sorry guys we gotta have an Tandy the under an accent in a little yeah I love that he's actually already tried a good mexican accent he he gets right but it's all the first week we can actually do it on the air but okay okay so here's the deal uh there is ok so we sadly could not use the phone we couldn't use the UI because the phone is going to ship with a future version of sense um next and i'll eat so hcc is still working on that but to be honest with you there is nothing mid-tier about this phone i mean it's sure it's glossy plastic at all but it feels really good in the hand it doesn't feel as big as it is you get boom sound if you don't want to deal with the four megapixel before the four ultrapixel camera guess you'll get one of the old 13 megapixel sensors that we got for example well the One X was a 8 megapixel but yeah I guess it's in that generation yet it doesn't have the image sensor processor HDC did confirm that standard it's a standard camera but dude this phone looks really nice I mean it does look really nice even at 720p display though I can't really talk about anything else that we saw it's it's really nice phone i don't see if HTC was pretending to redefine the mid tiered department this is probably going to be the hottest métier de faux nowt there it all depends on the price it will be announced that and it is my understanding that will soon launch in our first launched in China and Asian markets and then around the world you know just getting back to the phone I have two problems with the phone the first one is that I really wished for HTC to go with probably not a shiny but a matte matte finish in the back plastic yeah and number two and this is this is all come this coming down to taste and did not like the larger perforations for boomsound bottom until your sauce oh yeah that's only under Enders when you hold the phone in your hand then then you either change your mind like I did or not ha yeah because I'm looking at the render and the render actually looks okay but then I look at the hands on and I'm like wow those are some big big speakers like I was getting around when I saw a beater choose presentation and we saw the render I was dude hate those no but but I held the phone in my hand it's felt better it looked better when we were at the keynote we thought that this was a desperate measure for a GIC to show some presents and sadly at the key no we weren't able to actually hold the phone because everything was under glass and so until we actually got our exclusive opportunity to handle the phone um dudes I mean this phone has swept it really cool i mean it doesn't it looks like it looks like the higher end phone from a lot of competing companies i mean if i hold after holding the galaxy s5 because we did hold the s5 before the this 8816 I it feels just this premium I mean I I feel that the HTC is on to something and I really don't know what specifically because for example let's hear one if you remember the chairwoman recently said and this was a quote from I'm not sure who but the credit goes out to whomever quoted this she said that this year HTC will focus on the mid Rangers because that was their main problem last year the HTC One was very well received so very well but the company is at loss or still them going down because of the fact that they are missing a solid mid-range offering and yet the way we did get the one mini but I guess they wanted to try something bigger for those markets that want that in Asia now this phone is going to be retailing to my understanding between the 350 and 390 year off contract off contractor um but guys again this you get the 5 megapixel camera at the front which is cool and it's the wide-angle camera it's not as a larger sensor for front fascia and the villain has four to make ended the one has for the main camp episode it's just it's it's funny but again I think that you know to be honest with you once you guys hold it if you ask me hey you want to review the 816 I'd be willing to do it i really like the phone that will be yours oh god all right i want to hear is what I hate about phone Santa we've now he's fickle I've now talked so much oh you guys surprised me I didn't think we'd talked so long about the desire I really want to hear about the yotaphone did you get some hands-on time with yo Titus it is up as a one hour ago alright so what was it like I'll let the hymen because he handled hands on so the problem is that the prototype that they had was a real like real real prototype meaning not even the buttons were actually the buttons that will actually ship on the phone Wow not even the speakers it was a real plastic slab that is not going to be the final production device tis it did it function at all it was discrete function a bit function on google it did function very well it was a little buggy but you can really tell now you know the the e-ink display at the back is curved it's a touchscreen you know it is really cool i mean why it makes you ask yourself this question instead of dealing with a glass back that could shatter and you can't really use for more than just hold the phone why not have any in display and this phone it's got this rounded design it doesn't look oh how could I say the previous version looked really our case it looks like the Nexus possess yeah yeah it says nexus s cool in the renders it looks so gorgeous if the white one is just um are warning it's beautiful dudes it is beautiful I I really hope this company nails it I I don't hate they treated us very well I mean their press treatment was very well but sure the girl ran us through everything I'm really proud to say that this company has a really good future with this phone and I do hope that they succeed yeah but they're not gonna release it until he into 2014 Ramallah yeah yet yet and they're repeating the same mistake they did with the original yeah yeah shut and Barcelona nwc yeah it'll in the end of the year I'm not seeing the new yotaphone doesn't have great specs it does but in nine months from now it will be just another phone yeah yup extra now I have a question Taylor just shut us a link to the white one my god that's cool looking so is their own aura to to throw something up on that e ink display so that when you're not using it you can you can there's a gesture a two-finger swipe from the top and whenever you do that on a front screen whatever is on his front screen in terms of the screenshot goes to the back okay now one thing that you have to keep in mind is this is not really available for the rest of the phone it's only available for the apps that are enhanced for the back screen right so for example if you want to read like if i want to read kindle ebooks you currently can't until amazon ports this availability so it really depends on the platform actually growing a little of it go ahead and drink i thought i read that you could use any app on the back but not every app is optimized that's what i've read you can't they have for example they have if you want to read news for example they have their own specific proprietary reader their own twitter at their own twitter application i say yes i know that there was an sdk release though so they're exactly so that that's the deal there is an sdk but unless you actually take advantage of it you won't be able to use it now that being said there's only one thing that I didn't like about that phone it's like okay if there is one phone that I would have liked to be big it's this one yeah the head but it's not well it has a physic you mean physically large it's not a sure I would have wanted this to be a the note sighs it doesn't have a 5-inch screen like it's with it is a five for the screen the back screen is 4.7 inch and it's not high pixel density so in its gay or whatever yeah yes it's not really the best me there is a work in progress here I think that this is an exceptional concept like we the two of us Michael have agreed last year they nice take it to the next level but ice continue to think that the company has not learned enough from their experience last year then they really need a push or maybe somebody else could take this concept to the real level of where it should be yeah that's the thing and you know I don't want to see them bought or anything like that I think that you know that's a really good way to squander innovation sometimes I just and I understand as I said my editorial on this that building a phone takes a long time especially one that stretches the boundaries like this one does and we just talked about one of the reasons why that is because you need a custom software I get all that but uh noun Singh like nine months before it's available is also a really good way to disenfranchise your future customers because announced yeah announce that you can closer to launch every you know you can probably get away with a concept like this you can probably get away with announcing it like four months in advance but I'm not gonna be able to buy this in the United States until 2015 if I'm able to buy it at all by which point it's just gonna be like the first your phone is now it's kind of it's gonna be archaic and look okay yeah announcing a phone so early and not launching it and not running Windows Phone is odd you know what there's nothing role I kind of find the explanation I think I can nail this down to the following they're making the announcement now as mwc even though they won't be able to deliver until the end of the year because whenever somebody else comes around with this idea they can say that we were the first ones well I think its patented they were already the first on the first your phone you know yeah either way I get she's gonna dos it would not want it yeah if I read the prototype state with something like this and I had a device that you guys got hands-on time with I would be difficult for me to say no to a show like mwc were you also you read a big trade show so you can like win those Awards that some of the blogs give out you know like they won their seen that best of best of si si es an emotion of CES yeah the first one did so yeah I'm looking forward to getting my hands on that I hope we get a review unit this time because we didn't I that is the hopefully somebody from the team will get a hands-on hopefully uh and finally I think I cuz I know we're ten minutes over the time you guys said you we had to go you can chime in on huawei if you want but I'm very interested to hear about your time spent with Lenovo because they are the future owners of Motorola and I'm interested in their current state of offerings okay real quick about the huawei i think i'm really excited about the the hugest HTC One the icon yachts have X point but now i'm just messing things up the x-point one wherever it's saying to me greenie up at x1 that's the one with with the phone capabilities and the speakers which really looks like the HTC one really has an exceptional spring high quality specs I'd like that and now getting back to lumia and gloomy in Jesus I have a drink here excellent little thing is that the lenovo is not yet acting as the owner of motorola and we have talked to several people at lenovo and we said that hey we're here we would like to introduce lenovo to that part of our audience which does not know the novo or only knows your lenovo by judging them by the laptop say their name because you guys now Oh Motorola and they're like oh yeah well on paper because there's regulations that yes absolutely but now you hopefully those regulations and the regulatory approvals will come through you will become the owners in rolla but until then they still behave like Lenovo shirt damn you see the portfolio of products and their presence and that's why we did that booth door and they had the great devices including that what was the name of the FF the the 10 fhd plus the 10 HD Plus how do these companies expect for us to remember these names yeah 10 yoga at 10 HD plus it was a tablet yeah yoga tablets in HD put yeah yeah not only got it whoo that's the one and this is a great product every had the entire laptop why have the new at the planet they had the convertibles they had the three families of smartphones the higher end the vibes gianna bypass the lower and the mid-tier phone so they had they really brought everything to a very nice booth so i think that this as we concluded in the video laura is in good hands as long as Lenovo doesn't mess up more what everything what Motorola is ok so I am saying that you guys just continue doing what Lenovo does and let moral ado what more or less best and if necessary market the next moto g as Lenovo GM and leave it as moto G in the US and so win-win situation hey if you saw the design of that Lenovo the really thin phone that devices the vibe z I mean it was oh god it was so thin and they and they have this like brushed chrome and I don't know if it's aluminum what sort of metal they use i'm not sure if even black looking good they're built quality is awesome and if they could you know focus on design and leave the software to Motorola and bring a couple of the elements that we saw on the Moto X they they have a chance to succeed indeed well I think the hard way it's very important for 44 Motorola's hardware group to have it you say in their future suffocate Motorola's yeah God they invented the cell phone and I've never made a voice call that I've enjoyed more than on a motorola device and speakerphone and yeah motorola has the fundamentals down really well and lenovo seems to know how to make really sexy looking hardware so maybe marriage between the two could bring us something really really sexy but I'm just saying please do not touch whatever is working with marula now because their breakfast riding away yeah cool we I want to hear your very quick thoughts before we duck out of here gents this I think was one of the the best trade shows I've ever seen for far I mean we have a record number of videos from the show that are still being uploaded and welcome this is well done and I you know it but that is because there was so much to film and you know we were about to not feel anything why we were meeting up with I'm at the airport take the first cab to the hotel downtown we have so many stories and yeah we have a specific edition with Barcelona still reason I'm like I'm it listen we have a lot of bags why don't we pack up the trunk and I'm gonna put my my samsonite bag which contains one laptop one camera a lot of phones or tablets all my gear and I wasn't paying attention to anything was in the back seat I'll sit in the front and we arrived we arrived at the destination and I'm like comment why don't you unpack the car I'm going to bake for a cab and then we can go upstairs and that's what happens he unpacks the car I pay for a cab cat goes away we go to the sidewalk I lit a cigarette and I'm just looking at the luggages and my samsonite bag oh yeah and I'm just looking at the end of the street and the cab is just taking a corner onto the boulevard no Highness it just two words just run just run I did another runner I'm a Jimmer but for a second I really thought that was all that and i think it was either the third or the fourth traffic light i finally managed to knock on the trunk because it turned to green and he was in first year but I'm not so part of the trunk and he pulled it breaks and opened up the door grabbed my samsonite I for a second I even thought and he was gonna cry that somebody's gonna is ripping him off for a minute it's her buddy dude that oh wow well good running I'm really glad you didn't leave that in the cab can I ask a question we why didn't Jaime run yeah cuz I'm a dreary yeah i miss the motor and he forgot the bag she did not realize what was happening but i had read dude i started running i had just been fine for 24 hours man I was it was not be right but it's not like he laughs with the back in my hand by that time you realize like he was like dude your bails like the bag was there run so yeah but that just wants to read a lot more including high nylons burning down the entire building oh my god and I'm sign so I bring this why bring this how do you call those a nice tender the extender of different connections how do you call the search / suppressor I brought uh you know an American surge protector too and I always do that every time I travel I you know you remember Michael from Vegas I had the surge protector with everything I think my prospective will be more interesting buyers because I'm on developing evening and and smoking in the balcony and like hymens in the room with the lights on and at one point I just grab a smoke from a cigarette and I here I'm gonna darkness okay i'm looking at high man and he has a stupidest face on a little bit smoke coming off of his extender and he was like oh is going on did you really love that 110-volt into a 210 220 volt outlet buddy with the whole building lost power man oh my god and that that's you know in the movies by the silence just just no cars were moving it was just completely dead and I did whenever somebody asks us it was not us it wasn't us it was a surge protector away they out of it you're actually tied it in the jacket and throw it out oh my god you're kidding me I you know I didn't know dude I didn't know so I just got to put European connector for the 110 adapter and I hey sorry about that okay no more cell Romanian in the next edition of the but yeah well very very glad that you guys survived you did not lose your computer bag that you did not blow up the building with a surge suppressor and that you were around to take to take all those videos and give us your impressions thank you for for your time now what do you have to go do are you gonna use it party time now it's gonna be party tonight and tomorrow evening and is going to be uploading the rest of the videos plus hopefully the lunar bloopers and the recap throughout the weekend and next week is business as usual am I going to be back in my regular office hands going to be doing his daily thing including a lot of news and I'm going to take this opportunity to not only thank you guys for for back and support but thank everybody our audience for for watching our videos for reading our posts we try to do our best to bring you guys coverage as soon as we could at the level we could because it's sometimes and Michael you can testify that is both both of you to dinner as well it is a good to actually fight your way through a lot of people to get your hands on on a device shoot that render the video uploaded is among the first ones just to get some interesting comments and I'll just stop at that that is true that is no question about it and we're glad that you have done it glad that you're done well done gentlemen thank you and I'm looking forward to seeing some of the devices that we saw at this show and look forward to getting some hands-on and so I think the next trade show we have is in August so we will enjoy our respite until then yeah that is true unless we can somehow and this is something I'm working no you know let's keep this under under wraps mm-hmm good all right guys I think we're gonna head out now because I've got to edit this together thank you very much listener mail we are going to skip this weekend account of the special edition nature of the show we all have more to do I have to go film the pocket now round up so thank you again gentlemen Taylor is still alive over there yep good you brought me some tea yes i have a whole quart of tea right here have a sweet new maker and it's awesome well what question were you asking Taylor we had to interim cuz he was getting to you I forgot I forgot to I was asking about the s5 maybe it was like the first topic was it tell what do you think about that oh no was it like the Lumia oh yeah yeah yeahs do is why is that the best one does phone ever Taylor um because it's the hardware is fantastic and the camera is not bad i mean it the cameras i would say almost as good as the 1020's it's not as good as its all modules the 1520 right right yeah so it's good great just you just don't get as much you can't you can do is very famous dutch apple yeah yeah it was much lossless lemur frame afterwards but other than that it's it's a fantastic phone and i'm really trying to talk myself out of buying one for myself so yeah you should talk yourself out of it because I'd like I said last week i think i can already picture the editorial and no pets must be as we talk about these things i'm getting a tweet on my live twitter feed it's a leak so this might be something interesting once we write about it's the only HTC one for AT&T with dual cameras in the back courtesy of heaven bless it ism the an ho the other day see that too now loosen some rounded corners yeah i really like those wide radius corners that's nice this thing looks uh you know if it weren't for that other lens up there it would look like an HTC One but yeah I was about to say that this there's another phone out there which resembles a lot to this one it's made by HTC your name is sue yeah all right well we will I'm sure talk a lot about that next week especially if we can get Evan on the show as we hope but for now we have other things to get to and unless anyone has anything else no just stay tuned to our channel because our bloopers will be epic blow me God yes they will thank you gentlemen let's just say there was excessive female presence on the boots okay alright we will say that for now excessive email Fresno we're gonna there somebody at that Twitter that took a photo of me just looking at one of the models and he's like come on dude focus on it was it was it wasn't very different from that at CES I had to edit out a lot of the footage that the Tony shot and see he he got the wrong subjects that's right yeah Tony couldn't frame up the 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