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laying off 7800 people in addition for the 18,000 from a few months back and taking a seven point six billion dollar right down on your highest profile mobile acquisition is not great news no matter how you slice it but that's just what Microsoft did earlier this week in the Nadella memo heard round the world but are things really as gloomy as they seem for Windows Phone we'll talk about that plus new gadget news from Sony Apple Motorola and more on episode one five six of the pocket now weekly the once a week podcasts where we discuss news and opinion from the world of mobile technology that smart phones tablets smart watches all that stuff you wished existed when you were a kid I'm Michael Fisher and I'm broadcasting remotely from eastern Long Island New York so please pardon the dip in sound quality chief news editor Stephen shank is off today so I'm joined from Central America by multimedia manager and Instagram photographer extraordinaire Jaime Rivera how old user yeah that other 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this episode folks so good for good for us but mainly good for you for choosing choosing a podcast that you like what I'm trying to say is thank you for God's sake let's just move on ready Thank You Microsoft we had some bad news out of Microsoft this week as it announced not just layoffs of 7800 people primarily Nokia people former Nokia people from the Nokia devices and services group which microsoft acquired but also a write down a charge in the amount of seven point six billion dollars that the Microsoft's is essentially signifying Microsoft is writing off more than actually the value of the Nokia acquisition was to begin with which was 7.2 billion he ins and outs of the business side of that are sort of opaque to me to it to a degree but in any sense it is not very good news you have people in the comments saying well no this is just trimming the fat making for a leaner meaner machine and while some of that is true just in terms of I mean tech an overly technical leading of the news it's really really not very good news for fans of Windows it's terrible stop being so nice come on yeah it's it's it's really really not great just to give folks if you haven't read cite unit a bellows memo which is where this news comes from the cuts will take place primarily in the company's mobile phone business as well as there are restructuring charges of 750 to 850 million dollars on top of the 707 point six billion dollar right down the Della's email says the CEO says he's committed to our first party devices including phones promising Windows fans the flagship devices they'll love but also says that in the longer term Microsoft devices will spark innovation create new categories and generate opportunity for the windows ecosystem more broadly our a reinvention will be centered on creating mobility of experiences across the entire device family including phones I mean what does that mean to you it's the same typical be that we hereby you know it's something that was typed by somebody from PR that's like oh we can't really look bad it's gonna make us look terrible with our investors so let's just create false optimism because we don't want to look bad in the stock market which just fell a few days ago that that is what it is I hate it how can you fire somebody how couldn't you fire seven thousand eight hundred people and say we're gonna be better how can you do that that's like the most insensitive corporate talk that was ever designed but sadly every company does that Microsoft has just gotten really good at it because it's fired I mean how many people I mean how can you say oh we're firing Stephen Elop which I'm not sure if I'm happy or not but that was like you know we should have gone that indication they got rid of the devices guy Oh what was gonna happen next and what this is what happened so yeah that's I like I like starting with the cynical view over there twentieth Jules is very helpful 26,000 people over the past year have been let go under under an Adela's leadership but I want to say that you know it's not I don't think tactically speaking this is this is the most terrible news let's say this it's terrible for the people who've been moving movement let go and and our thoughts are certainly with them and we're not in any way trying to make light of any of that because that's that's terrible but sometimes in order to if you if you were in the position that Microsoft is in which is that they're being forced to rethink a lot of their older strategy under Steve Ballmer sometimes layoffs are often layoffs are a massive part of that so I wanted to lay this I want to keep this discussion focused on mobile though Paul Mitchell and the chat says why are people so eager to proclaim the death of Windows Phone I expect to be a happy Windows Phone user for years to come and just don't get all the negativity love the show yeah if we keep it up yes so I'm sure he didn't use Windows Mobile and that's the reason why he made that comment why cuz because the Windows Mobile people have been there but been here before is that we were saying so I'm gonna say this I used to work for a company like the first company that I worked for for eight years was like this every time they would they would change a VP or they would change the company's president or CEO you know it was just the stupidest thing they would start firing people like crazy hiring people like crazy and it just seems I give if these companies have no clue what they're doing it's like Microsoft has got the best talent in the world when it comes to employment the people that work there and I cannot believe that this is like a really interesting ship without direction it's crazy I mean how many changes have happened with Microsoft after a Ballmer's departure I mean lots but seriously but the I mean that the changes have occurred but they I don't think as a ship without Direction I think it was a ship with that was trying to go in many different directions and what Nadella is doing is actually getting the ship first of all shedding a lot of the ship and then getting the remnants to move in one direction which I think ultimately will pay off in Microsoft's favor but the question is how bad how much is it gonna suck for fans of Windows Phone as a lot of our listeners are a lot of our viewers are a lot of our readers are and as I have been up to version 8.1 and still don't know how I feel about Windows 10 on mobile but let's let's talk about that we've been asked more and more often on social media folks whether whether we'll cover Windows Phone anymore because it's very much gone to the backburner super we are still covering device launches we just reviewed the Lumia 640 and I'm Lane just reviewed the Lumia 735 for Verizon but by and large they're not the devices people want to read about because they're not flagships so a much smaller portion of our readers than before are now asking for Windows coverage and who can blame them on July 4th the last Lumia flagship the Lumia 930 turned one year old there was the last Lumia flagship class device and if you say Lumia 830 you can get out because it's a fine con but it's not a flagship it's not a fact you know on August 20th it will have been a full year since the release of any flagship class Windows Phone that's the HTC One m8 for Windows you couple that with the high profile banking app departures and other apps leaving the platform and it's been obvious for quite some time that Windows Phone is just not going to achieve the scale that Microsoft initially wanted but does that mean that it's necessarily dead overall I don't think so and that's not what Nadella seems to be saying in that and I may you're right buzzword Laden memo there's so much course eriously I mean just tell me this yeah if if a mic of a Microsoft and previously on okiya with all its infrastructure was not able to make a phone platform successful with 7800 people how are they gonna do it without the people I mean can you imagine us having to bang all the videos that we have to do a week plus editorials bliss news and then slice the team in half would that be even possible how can that be even possible you know I don't if we change if we radically changed our delivery structure if we radically changed our tactics which is what we're looking at here right so I don't know let's let's see what we've got we've got I've selected three sort of takes on this or actually four from from various sites that I think have got pretty interesting reads on the situation the first is from computer world as is from Greg Kaiser a computer world who surmises that the Lumia line will be relegated to a peripheral position the spot the surface pro 3 now occupies in comparison to broader personal computing devices like a google nexus handset so that's this that's the bit of speculation we're getting from computer world windows phones will not disappear not yet Nadella once again says I'm committed to our first party devices including phones and Microsoft certainly even Nadella says in the short term they're gonna still keep kicking out Windows Phone handsets but they've had a lot in the pipeline already so really they can just keep churning out what was in the pipeline without needing any of those people they just let off but the interesting question is what's gonna happen later and even with billions poured into mobile Kaiser continues Windows powered just 2.7 percent of the devices shipped worldwide last year down from 3.3 percent in 2013 that's an IDC figure but Jan Dawson of jackdaw research who Kaiser quote says the timing just doesn't seem right for abandoning either Microsoft's first party phone business or Windows Phone as a whole and here we go back to Newton Della's email and guys this is the crazy part hi man do you remember in the New Delhi email where he says we plan to narrow our focus to three customer segments we break them into three channels yeah which was enterprise right Phipps and then it was general I think like lower tiers yes so it's it's business customers value-oriented buyers and loyalists exactly so okay but and I love this because that confuse the hell and me I'm like okay wow so you're making it sound like they're we're just gonna condense Windows Phone in those three channels okay but wait a second look at that again we're gonna make funds for business customers people who don't want to spend a lot of money and people who are Windows fans right what isn't that sort of what they're already doing exactly exactly wait a second what's going on here I'm glad I didn't report on this because I was like oh my god house I would I would have trashed the hell out of them I'm like that's an Johnson Jan Dawson agrees to eject all right research once again those are the customers all smartphone makers accepting Apple target they're the very customers Microsoft has itself chased for years that's no focus at all Dawson argue so we're not the only ones confused about that Jaime so there's that no I think that again it's just it's really sad what's going on is really sad again but the memo is just something that somebody from PR that has nothing no conscience on tech wrote down for Nutella and he approved it that's it I don't know I wouldn't go that far I wouldn't I wouldn't go far is it cuz it's not clueless and Nadella if if there's one thing we know about sight you know is that he's very smart he's cunning and I do think the Microsoft he's building is far better positioned to succeed then then bombers Microsoft would have been I mean that's that's debatable but I I think that's true but it is frustrating to get this flowery kind of content list and corporate buzzwords speak that we have to sort of sift through and pick through tell us what the verge made of all this I made there are the next Tom Warren of the verge yes so we have Tom Warren from the verge thing and his analysis no Telus restructuring will likely reduce the phone business confusing numbering schemes and huge selections of handsets but that wasn't really clarify what it all means simply saying that it will be more effective a more effective phone port portfolio with better products right I'd like to see that then he also says Microsoft the signal to developers that it's okay to ignore developing directly for Windows on mobile devices and to support existing apps across combine that with some of the changes that Microsoft making to the interface and features of Windows 10 mobile Cortana for iOS Android and continue to mobile push on rival platforms and it's easy to conclude that Windows Phone has a very few unique capabilities anymore and I do agree yeah that's that's interesting to me I mean what do you think about that about that argument about listen it's just he's just saying listen I'm you know I have my platform but my platform is not successful so I would rather Bank on what is successful and try to make money out of something at least some portion of the market so you know wine is pretty much saying you know it's it's he's just again he I think he agrees with us in the fact that the memo is just the memo and that you know what how how are they gonna be more effective and provide better products without the infrastructure that's like the biggest question that's left I mean they they brought all this expertise from Nokia you and I were in you remember when we were in Vegas and that that how do you call the high roller yeah yeah thing you remember that everybody that was with us that when they gave us the Lumia 930 everybody that was with us was from Finland they brought a crazy amount of people from Nokia to build this Microsoft phone portfolio now they're letting them go I would have rather they sold the company they would have sold the mobile division back to either Nokia or somebody else you're making a good point there we when I forgot who ran the headline I'm sorry I just sprung to mine but back when Microsoft first announced the partnership with Nokia not the acquisition but the exclusive partnership with Nokia to make Windows Phone devices someone ran a headline that says Microsoft buys Nokia for 0 billion dollars and it was a great story because Microsoft was essentially getting the cow getting the milk without having it buy the cow and the arguments at the time was that it was a very savvy move to make because Microsoft didn't have to spend billions of dollars by nokia nokia was already doing what it would do anyway in such a situation so that was very savvy and then of course later on Microsoft found herself in a position where it felt forced to buy Nokia possibly because Nokia was was very very obviously fidgeting around with the idea of maybe making an Android handset and they wanted a force Microsoft's hand but Dex even Chadd asks about that silly thought why did Microsoft take over Nokia and did it to take one less competition away or did it to take Nokia having a mobile platform despite the device I sort of lost the thread of that but that's a really good question and the hi may what do you you have a thought there I don't know I think that I think that this was like a very interesting corporate play it's like Microsoft tried to convince partners to build Windows phones I'm talking years ago partners started building stuff they didn't make any money and then you know Microsoft started losing ground for partners so it's like okay should I'm gonna have to grab a company and build my own thing is if Apple can do phones and why can't I and say okay they start the whole Nokia thing they cry the company they start working on that whole thing and I I'm sure that once they started renegotiating the Windows 10 mobile strategy and how things were going partners would would have been like wait a second you have the Lumias and why should we build for you and and such pretty much what happened with Motorola Google acquires Motorola and then you know Android partners started complaining about the fact that Google would obviously provide preferences to Motorola and so it makes sense to me the whole Nexus scheme that Jules was saying that it could be that Microsoft is probably just relegating their whole Lumia approach to make it more of a nexus in order to make partners happy the problem is where are the partners you know when are we gonna see products right let's uh this is this that whole Microsoft Nokia story is fascinating going forever and one of the best steaks I've seen on it is from strategery from Ben Thompson which I got this content from a subscription emailed update so I'm not gonna share it all verbatim because you should actually subscribe to strategy if you want this kind of analysis because it's really good but moving forward Ben says Nadella and Microsoft will focus on the cloud and office productivity this is speculation focus on the cloud and office and productivity or the areas where Microsoft has potential for growth let Windows work to earn back the trust of enterprises to get the cash flow back up and keep a small hardware operation that will enable Microsoft to maintain expertise and connections in China in the hopes of developing what comes next such as hololens and then he goes on to say let me be clear Windows Phone is effectively dead a couple models a year notwithstanding Microsoft's mobile future is apps and cloud backends for iOS and Android along with continued emphasis on Microsoft's traditional enterprise strengths so there you go that's this is that that's a that's a pretty stark prediction of just Windows Phones and and its really if it was just some guy dotnet I wouldn't be quoting him the time out and has written some of the best analysis of Microsoft I think of the great years and it's a lot of what he said has come true when the Nokia acquisition was first announced he wrote a great piece talking about how it made no sense and it wouldn't work out at all and well what do you know yeah wouldn't went down seven point six billion dollars is right it didn't go well at all let me let me ask you do you think that Microsoft is trying to turn into the next IBM uh you know I think HP tried to try to do that no it's important to remember Microsoft has always been a software company so are you asking that that what you they trying to trying to shift their focus to mostly enterprise is that we were asking I don't know so we remember IBM they had the ThinkPad and they had their their lineup of products and at some point they were like okay it's too so the problem with building hardware is your operating ratio is much higher than building software obviously you don't need to build anything when it comes to software it's pretty much non tangible it only requires Talent and so what IBM expensive is expensive yes but again you don't have the fixed cost of building something that's tangible that you can't sell the good thing about software is it's not you're not gonna be left with five hundred thousand phones in a warehouse that you weren't able to sell and so it made all the sense in the world at some point for IBM to be like wait a second let's move away from hardware let's focus on software we have all these patents and we can drop our operating ratio significantly and obviously not make as much you know you know not make as much money but make more profit out of the money that we're making and so it seems that that's what HP tried to do and then it pulled back but it seems that Microsoft is like wait a second we are a software company at the core that's the way we were built that bomber had this crazy idea of making this company of devices in hardware company and it didn't work so why don't we go back to our roots and that's probably what Nadella proposed when you know when he was offered or probably applied for the job and this is what Microsoft said they would want and obviously hey if you're looking at profit margins building software is a lot more profitable than again building hardware yeah it just really tough to make money in hardware I think that absolutely and you need only to look to Android 2 to see the truth of that ending on a somewhat higher note this is from the wind super site of course Paul Roth's windows focused web site but this was not Paul throughout this was rod Trent writing an article entitled the Windows Phone isn't dead it's changing it was the other side of the coin according to reports Microsoft will manufacture just six devices per year the types of models that will be produced are unclear but I can only assume that we'll see new hardware released in stages throughout the year with two large screens two mid-range and two low-end devices all running Windows 10 mobile targeted toward types of people with specific preferences and that boils down to the society Adela's narrowed focus to three customer segments what do you think about the likelihood of that I mean you think that that seems reasonable to expect for the first for the next two years at least it depends I mean like Jules as Jules makes a really cool comment right now on our group chat where he's saying yeah but there's software in hardwood the problem is the software that Microsoft built for mobile hasn't been appealing to customers it is a very interesting strategy the problem is what happens when your product is not able to sell on its own even in your own hardware we're liking every set everything sounds beautiful on paper but the problem is are is it is their software enough to gain the mindshare that they're looking for if they've spent so much so many years in the back you know they've spent so many years as an underdog already yeah and that's why the the the opining about Microsoft buildings say like aspirational Windows Phone devices you know the Google Nexus style devices the Microsoft Surface phone maybe it's all very compelling to me as a window phone you know as an erstwhile Windows Phone champion as someone who does want to see the platform succeed because I'd like the interface I like many things about it but it doesn't strike me as I mean if I'm Microsoft why am I going to do that I'm gonna build a Google Nexus style Windows Phone device to motivate OMS to come back on into the Windows Phone boat assuming their dissolution which I think they are but if you only it reached a high of you know three something percent worldwide and you're now at 2.7 percent in falling and no one is no one who knows anything about this business is really convinced that you can make you can beat iOS or Android why would you do that and I guess meeting iOS Android is not really necessary you don't need to do that you a Palazzo that you can exist as a existent profit as a small segment of the market but the ecosystem problem persists and it's not gonna get any better you're just gonna stay in this vicious circle exactly away after this exactly I think that again Microsoft was just I think that the company just doesn't want to show that it it it itself considers it a failure they consider that they failed and you know they're just not trying to show that obviously the problem is when they have a button though I'm to forgive me I'm sorry however what they did they just wrote off the whole Nokia acquisition Oh straight up you're like yeah this was that didn't work out you know I understand but I get I guess what I'm saying am this is the problem with these public companies the problem of these public companies is that they make strategic moves to make themselves look good in front of investors so why do you fire people why don't you keep the talent and try to you know restructure and lose a little money and figure out a way to do it right well because investors will not like it and that's gonna drop their stock and that's just gonna throw everything off the table and you know that's again III would I wish I didn't have to mention Apple but this is one of the things that I like about Apple I mean Apple has had cases like the Apple TV or so many other products where they failed that but the company is making so much money for investors and other products that even if they failed in these things they're not firing people they're not restructuring things and killing their they keep trying they keep it there and Microsoft seems to want to make people think that they're gonna do that they're gonna continue trying but then two years from now they're just gonna let it die off they're just gonna let let all the bus kill it and let it die off Apple of course has the luxury of sitting on a mountain of money thanks to their their iPhone and we're talking about a company that file from that was 21 days from filing from bankruptcy 15 years ago yeah which is and you know I'm a that's a really good way to end up I think anything can happen in this business we you know iOS and Android are established players in the mobile space they dominate the mobile space and they seem to be sitting on top of mountains of money that are that are just insurmountable but anything can happen given enough time and I think what we've what I believe going forward is that I do think Windows Phone is Microsoft just doesn't doesn't care about it to the degree that they used to because they used to want to make it the platform that would that would do battle with the big guys I don't think they want to do that anymore but I also don't think it's going away in the short term or in the long term because if you're a software company you just can't ignore mobile and I don't think them they're not ignoring mobile anyway they're still gonna build apps as Ben Thompson said they're still gonna build apps for other platforms and a lot of companies regular good amount of money doing that but I don't think if you have your own desktop software and your own tablet software which they're betting on Windows 10 is what that's going to be their their future you know chariot yeah I don't think you can ignore smaller screens I don't think you can not play in smart phones well if you think about it I mean how many companies five years ago decided that they were gonna leave mobile and then out of the blue one company an underdog ends up building the iPhone and now it represents sixty percent of their income I mean if a political is because of the iPhone that it's just that I mean the iPads on the Klein the Mac is on was on the climb this quarter the iPods are on the client Apple is only making well they're making money out of everything but even making the most money by far out of the iPhone I mean if if imagine this if the iPhone was a business on its own it would be bigger than Microsoft and Google find it should act crazy it's that crazy and so I mean any other CEO that sees apples success with the iPhone would be stupid if he said oh we're gonna move away from mobile that's not the story everybody's actually jumping back in the problem is nobody's been able to figure it out and it's really hard to stop the momentum that Apple already started that's the problem and of course it was really hard back in the 80s to to - in - to get past or excuse me in the 90s to get past the momentum the Microsoft had so we will see yeah Jules is reminding us that it's 40 past the hour we got to get we gotta move on but just to close up on some with some user comments in the live feed you said it says Richard Fila Microsoft is a software company acquiring Nokia was totally off vision and always smelt of desperation I think Mandela is wise to the fact that perception is everything in the consumer market thanks for that Richard that was a it was a good comment appreciate really good Arjen PC throwback review of Nokia n9 in memory of Nokia and Lumia I think that would be a lot of fun Irish and PC we if we can get a hold of Nokia if anyone wants to send us an m9 which I'm happy to send back after we complete the throwback review that's fine otherwise we'll buy one and Jules Jules he said it's 40 past the hour and then you're continuing in the chat alright the way he handled it was all right well hold on we can't talk about that Jules we have to move you're the one who wants us to move on Jules no more chat do you guys even care about Windows Phone if we get no 1030 I know for me personally nokia was the only reason why I cared if they do not continue the camera boundary-pushing of Nokia I'm not going to buy one that's from gosh be Shh you preach man I think I know a lot of people who still carry the 10 20 because it's one of the best cameras you can get our own Adam Lang does like if you want to crack up I just ordered one on eBay a 10 20 yeah no kidding good for you yeah I mean it's it's one of those things were it's like ok crap these things are gonna become collectibles but forget about the collectible thing you just can't ignore the fact that nobody does cameras like nokia I mean or did no doubt yeah um sorry I there's a lot of stuff that we will get to in quite a second but then all right fine mod mod calm our very sponsors are in the chat that's wonderful which would you prefer to exist a Windows Phone future or Star Trek communicator that's me you know what mod that should have been a tough spot we should have had a tough spot segment for that very question mod is of course referring to the Bluetooth communicator that we've announced this week from wah the wand company which i pre-ordered 10 minutes after it went on sale and and how many did you order by the way I wanted to do more than one but it's a buck so I'm not you know but listen we're gonna be talking about that a lot we don't have time today because I got a lot time I go at some point so we're gonna get back to that thanks mod thanks for your for your continued support Yolo users says I can send you my n9 it's almost brand new get in touch with me Michael at pocketnow.com I love you guys by the way Yolo user so you aren't the best please we'll work that out we'll give you a shout out in the throwback and it'll be a lot of fun for everybody in the interim guys we've got to move off Microsoft I know it's the big news of the week but we've got to handle the news real quick before we go as I say it's gonna be a tight podcast so Jules sound the news Bell if you would not ready you kill me that is awesome thank you very much Jules we got stuff from oneplus blackberry Amazon Motorola Sony and Apple holy crap there's a lot coming up not a lot to say in the Windows Phone camp outside the major news of the week but there is something coming apparently leaked by Evan Blass a Windows Phones selfie phone into that it's got a front firing flash and it is going to be a Lumia we think what does what else do we know about this sucker it is no that's pretty much it just that just is gonna have a front firing flash but then no no design specifics this is it and let me just ask you this Michael because you handled the desire I I mean this the fact that there is a flash in the front really make a selfie phone a good selfie phone is it it does help I was surprised at how much it helps I think an ultra pixel is in I think an ultra pixel camera in the front makes a little bit more sense hey Hyman is this gonna be a Lumia definitely or just a Windows Phone Lumia according to from what I understood it was a Lumia really because I'm not seeing that in our story lonely where what are you saying no well you have a good point but but apparently the sources or you know Evan he doesn't really provide sources but to my understanding it was gonna be a Lumia all right EV League says he teases possible upcoming Lumia with front-facing a flash there but is it trying to go I'm sorry I'm reading yeah this is great radio I know but I'm reading a blast Evan bless his feed and I'm not seeing a specific reference that it is Lumia but that's because he's retweeting a lot of pizza stuff and then and then Blackberry because I can't see anyway if it's not the reason I get all weird about this is that if it's not a Lumia it is possibly an H it could be a Windows version of the HTC Desire I am I totally off-base or does that seem rebound no it doesn't make sense because they see of course did the One m8 so hmm that's interesting anyway I guess we will have to see like once again we recently reviewed the Lumia 735 which Adam Lane titled the original selfie phone reviews check it out but in other news we've talked about Windows Phone enough in other news blackberry silently registers a very telling domain name I mean you want to tell us the story real quick okay so there's a very interesting development obviously we've been talking about two Blackberry phones that will run Android and we've been covering that but out of the blue this other company that's owned by blackberry ended up registering the domain Android secure comm so we started speculating over is this going to be the approach that Blackberry is going to try to do with Android are they gonna try to launch another black phone or should I say one black phone competitor and just take over Android and make it more secure and that's going to be their differentiation fact but other news that happened yesterday have blackberry and Google partnering over bringing Android to the enterprise and making it a more secure platform for the enterprise and combining BES 12 with you know Android and you know all the benefits in security that came with lollipop so right now it's it's a little ambiguous we're not really sure the site is up now hi Mei have you been to it yet no not yet all right so yesterday it was just a landing page or the other day now it is a it is what we're showing on the video feed right now it is a spy okay bring Iceland to work yes so that's it that's it bringing closely together to set new standards and enterprise mobile security for organizations deploying Android device so that that's what I reported yesterday that's what I reported yesterday that blackberry and Google had made a partnership the idea is to marry BES 12 with a you know Android lollipop and you know all the security benefits and the idea is really to give Enterprise more teeth with Android allow you know enterprise companies to be able to lock down phones or lock down features so that users can't you know users can't use them for whatever they want right it's it's pretty much for deployment you know it's go ahead no I was just thinking of the parallels on this it was like wow blackberries yet another company that's then was really great at hardware then the hardware went away and now are trying to to just operate as a software company is okay but that's that's the point that I'm about to make right now okay about think about this Michael yeah what phone is the President of the United States currently using he's got a blackberry still okay so here's the thing blackberry is extremely famous for security if the the task government agencies in the world use blackberry there's a purpose for that and so here's the thing how is blackberry going to sell you an Android phone if they don't figure out a way to elevate Android security I think that this is like a good pre move before launching an Android phone I think this is like a really smart move it's like okay we're showing you what we can do for Android and now this is our new phone that's running Android but it's a blackberry proprietor very sort of platform sort of like black phone hmm no interesting that's where I think this was I should mention that this said Jules thank you for being on top of this this was a shout out this was a shout out this was the story was broken by Jimmy westenberg of Android authority a longtime friend of the pocket met weekly so kudos for the for the news makin news man not know I mean what would I have preferred on this tab I would have preferred to see the BlackBerry Venice because I think that's gonna be a really compelling device for Android users if it lives up the potential but I guess we can talk about that on another show because we got to talk about another phone right now it is the Amazon fire phone you guys have one right I mean everyone has a fire phone right I know you know yeah come on Trey to do Jules has everybody has a fire phone who doesn't have one well if you don't have one right now you can buy one yeah you can always buy one but now you can buy one for the price it should but should have been to begin with this thing started life at I think $4.99 full retail which was asinine it was $1.99 on contract with AT&T which was again asinine it was eventually we were rapidly reduced in price to two hundred unlock than 190 now Amazon is selling it for $160 now that's crazy I've seen other people I think Dan Seifert of the verge was saying listen no one should try to justify the purchase of a fire phone it's a bad idea but okay Amazon Prime comes with the fire phone and Prime gets you things like free shipping and a free two-day shipping of other stuff so if you were to if you were already gonna buy Amazon Prime and you were gonna spend $100 on that because it costs $100 for the year if you're spending enough if you if you're willing to spend another $60 you get a smart phone with Amazon Prime you know with your Amazon Prime membership and that's just $60 more and as I said in my review and I think I'm the only guy in the world who ever said it it's not a bad phone it's kind of fun to use really yes are you using it that's because Amazon wouldn't send us one I got one through AT&T and was about release on the embargo times everybody else in the Amazon specifically told AT&T no you can't let them do that only the people we select are going to be in on the embargo so my up to them that was frankly and cover your ears everyone you Amazon I think about that because that's some debt of some top-level especially when you're coming to market with a product that was received as poorly as this nevertheless I found that phone a lot of fun to use and I don't I don't think it deserves all the crap it got even though it was priced really poorly to begin I guess that level of arrogance and then a payoff didn't it yes I guess some just look at the screen again and it's 449 again at amazon.com so I don't know who knows if you want a fire phone nobody wants a fire phone so I'm not talking anyone let's move on could the Moto X sport and moto G nuevo be new Motorola's in the works I'm really confused about these news because obviously we've been covering the leaks of the Moto X and the Moto G the next generations but then out of the blue we've got specifications for apparently this this came out from a Chilean carrier and you have to remember that Motorola launches products under different monitors outside of the United States and apologized by the way yeah so apparently so we've got specs for the Moto X port which will allegedly have a 5.2 inch display 16 megapixel rear camera our front firing 5 megapixel shooter and we've got a quad-core 1.5 gigahertz processor that is not confirmed what type of processor it is sorry about that then the Moto G level mobile because that's the correct thing yeah no is a pieman screen 13 megapixel rear camera 5 not 5 megapixel front firing shooter 1.4 gigahertz quad-core CPU and the reason why why we're confused is how are these specs any different to the ones we've already covered from the 2013 Moto X and Moto e I don't know I mean you know they don't seem all that different every megapixel did the Moto G I think had a didn't have an 8 megapixel rear camera on the 2014 variant I don't know maybe the same on I don't know yeah no the spectra not all that different but I like that the sport seems to be a ruggedized version of the Moto X I think that's a I think that could be a good a good decision for from Motorola to make because it already has a large subset of customers need a phone that will perform well under duress like the Droid turbo that I just after the buzzed now tell me something what is not rugged about them with the current Moto X you know it says it's black from other ones so it's not splash proof well it is but the weather we run but no it's you're right if splash proof it is you can drop it probably without break and busting it up too much I mean I dropped my original Moto X a bunch and like but it's not it's not specifically rated it doesn't have IP certification that's not milspec they don't sell it as a phone that you can drop kick around the place and I think they they're traditionally very strong in that segment their home next I'll line up back in the day was just rugged oh I've got one right here check it out oh where am I where's my oh my god yeah so guys I'm holding on if you're just listening the audio version this is a Motorola I 580 from 2007 it is the next I'll support of the days like a ban look at that gigantic scream junk master yeah that bezel listen and the bezel is diamond plate so you know it's rough but I real like jokes aside this is uh this was a really really peaceful beefy phone and I bought I bought one for my parents and they had them for years and they are tough on their phones so no you know Motorola has a long it's a big audience that is used to to these products and I think the Moto X is one of their most impressive phones I've ever made a sport version would be great I want to say something before I forget I I apologize I was a little crass before I didn't I don't think I was totally necessary for me to go off and I'm something like that and I apologize this wasn't because I'm it just it just it wasn't I try to stay classy and that wasn't very classy so I apologize people this isn't about Amazon sending us review stuff by the way cuz obviously we don't care I just feel like I was sort of a little bit of childish just then so I'm sorry to anybody I may have offended with that but let's uh let's from the motox stuff which I never want to move on from but because I already know that I'm gonna talk about it all day we should but before let me in a yeah yeah okay okay tell us good no do you know you tell us about all right Motorola's model 51:37 has hit the FCC approval desk it is measuring one hundred fifty three point six millimeters by seventy five point three millimeters which normally we wouldn't go into talking about but it is important because it appears to be larger than what we're what we're talking about normally it might put it in the same class as the five point five inch model code name and Kinsey we've been talking about for Verizon this is Steven Schenk reporting on this but this time there's no sign of compatibility with Verizon's networks instead we get t-mobile eighteen t LTE support and sprint LTE support but no apparent CDMA to match the older technology of that network so what the eff is going on of these incomplete documents is this a project five phone perhaps I'm thinking it like last year was the year of the prime phones this year is gonna be the year of plus phones could it be the Motorola is working on a plus 4x plus yeah why not I mean if they came up with the Nexus and by the way they did sell that you remember that we looked for that Nexus 6 but the Motorola version we looked for it at the Qualcomm booth when we were at CES remember yes the Moto X plus which which the back of which a reader booth model used to modify his Nexus 6 and D anodized the aluminum for a way different look which was awesome exactly yeah yeah yeah so I don't know I mean it's not tracking the 800 we know there's a chance of microSD expansion too so this is this is gonna be interesting to have an interesting year for Motorola here's hoping they don't have their press event in Chicago while all of us are at Aoife again that will be very annoying please don't do that again motorola please don't hi May tell us about the oneplus 2 we know a lot about it and we've got a hurry but we got to talk about it well the thing is of one plus has been doing the job for us like fully first of all they've been leaking absolutely everything they've been teasing the phone the phone were pretty much what a couple of two weeks away from the launch and they've been teasing that it's got 4 gigs of LD lpddr4 ram which is the fastest ram you can buy right now yeah it's then the the team was on way Bose asks which is the no reddit AMA there are an AMA recently and they were like oh okay we're gonna confirm it's got a 3300 milliamp hour battery that's another thing they teased and then because there is so much speculation over the price tag of the phone the company CEO just came on Google+ and was like okay I am confirming that this phone is going to cost less than $450 so you know 149 then yeah that's what I'm guessing because that's what you come out and say and so it's funny cuz it's funny because like two weeks ago the guy the same guy was like okay it's gonna cost more than three more than 300 what was the number of 333 dollars something crazy like that yes now we know the threshold which is less than $450 right right so you know oneplus has been I mean I've really gotta hand it to this company I mean they know how to keep people on the edge of their seats like seriously they come up with news every single day of a phone that nobody's yet seen they've managed to do an amazing job and not getting the phone leaked and yet they keep teasing everything and they keep creating that momentum and I mean that's how how can you have an underdog company that didn't exist two years ago become so successful with the oneplus one even with their terrible sales tactics and now they're doing it again with the oneplus 2 and by the way rumours from yesterday are that we are going to get an invite system again no no no didn't they promise that the invites were gone apparently they won't be again it's it's speculation you know of all the of all the things to beat up on one plus four with their tone-deaf marketing all that kind of stuff earlier last year I don't I think the invite system got a bad rap I think you only do that if you you have scale problems you have a you have ability to meet demand problems and you you need to find a creative way to solve that and the creative way to do it and it drums up crest in the process I never thought that was a bad idea and even I even say that now I'm on the invite waitlist for project 5 because Google doesn't care that we exist so I'm sitting here waiting for a project by invite like some regular Schmo and freaking I don't mind it because I know that they're doing it so that they can hone it they're doing it they don't want thousands of people on that network because they have to do engineering troubleshooting on it and they're doing a stagger relief like get that folks and what do you get in exchange for your several weeks of waiting what are you getting on one plus you're getting one of the best phones you can get for a very low price tag so freaking you know deal with it invites invites in what has to happen sorry but maybe they won't be invited to knows I don't know what's up let's see Sony will never ever sell its smartphone business says Sony yeah I'm not gonna pronounce the guys the CEOs name I always fumble with it every time where it see that's mobile president and CEO Hiroki tataki that's how yeah yeah but I know but every time that they present him on CES they you know it's funny yes fast right no they have another name you know I it's not until right now that I was in China now you know I was talking to the Opel and I learned that everybody you know they decide on a u.s. name and they use it whenever they have to yeah you know I uh oh and you know that makes sense um anyway there was an interview from Arabian business which was reblogged by the Xperia blog where tataki addresses the rumors you know selling off the business and saying no he's not yeah according to him and you know we've got to hand it to Sony I mean truly the Xperia lineup has really not has not been as popular as it should be I feel that they deserve more popularity up dude my Xperia Z L which is in a drawer downstairs and it's three years old just got lollipop like a week I mean which other company does that I feel that you know Sony has been doing an amazing job over the last three years and giving you more bang for your buck when you buy a Sony phone and they've done so with software they've done an amazing job this is like erase the old Sony Ericsson days where that was like terrible you would buy a phone that was threatening Android donut we were we were Romeo days already yeah so one of the things that he said was that you know the selling the bio lineup could have clearly built that indication they were gonna do that but they admit that that wasn't such a good idea and they are definitely not gonna do it with the smartphone lineup which is great that is great news and I loved here as somebody was asking me for a tablet recommendation on Twitter the other day and I'd stop to think about it cuz I don't think about tablets all that often these days but I was like oh man if I was gonna get a tablet today tablet the Sony Xperia z3 tablet compact so I get that right tablet or whatever I think you forgot like one or two names there but yeah I'd get that one because their tablets are freaking gorgeous and then somebody just asked me to read to after the buzz the z3 compact which I have not played with yet and I really want to so absolutely I will try to do that if we can get a hold of one from one of our suppliers I mean absolutely they make great phones the lazarus soul song again and the Chad Sony can own the mid-range market if they just release a yearly compact phone word up and I do wish they would they would take take some interest in the US market but we are still expecting that z4z or whatever z4v for Verizon Wireless soon I mean hey come to United States and use it on Verizon Wireless the good thing as Verizon phones are unlocked by default which is great but anyways I'm in tell us wrap it up for us they end up the news block with the Apple watch sales estimates okay so was so market watch so this is funny clearly Apple is either not meeting demand or or I don't know what problems are having with the Apple watch but this is like the first time that they have a product that they don't stand on stage on a keynote and say we sold 10 million Apple watches right and so market watch is already claiming that the sales of the Apple watch are on decline apparently for the first time ever Apple is not selling more than 10,000 units a day which is funny it was like 10,000 units that's a lot of watches but you know it's it's apparently this they're an time low and they're there wondering if it has to do with the fact that Apple hasn't met the man or it's because a lot of people have their Apple watch on eBay because it's not as hot as they were expecting it to be but yeah it seems that that that is the current status of the Apple watch we III can't wait for this quarter to end for Apple to have to be forced to tell us how many Apple watches they've sold I know everybody wants to know yeah no doubt Mayer excuse me I'm sorry Jules made the point that they were sourcing a slice for some of those figures we just want to have that covered I was looking somebody was doing some comparative sales of Apple watch versus pebble time data recently and I sort of forgot who that was I wanted to look it up for context the massively successful pebble time Kickstarter had 80,000 backers estimates of Apple watch sales were greater than 1 million on day one that's from them and yeah what 1.5 million something like that on the first day right and yeah I don't know I don't know this is a massive debate but it's interesting to see I don't know what how these figures are being generated but I wouldn't be surprised at that but watch sales we're slowing down now i sat with some extended family recently ago I don't get to see very often and a lot of them were two of them so a lot of them at the table at the time had Apple watches and I was surprised to hear them people asked them do you like your Apple watch why do you have it etc and I was surprised to hear these Apple watch owning cousins of mine explain why they had the Apple watch in exactly the same way I always explain smart watches and end on the point that you know if you don't own one it's really hard to make you understand why you might want one and they're talking my smart watches in general so I think it's a continues to be a tough sell I think until in a critical mass of people is wearing wearables all the time you're not going to get the kind of word-of-mouth like oh god it'll change your life because it will but not enough people have realized that yet no and I don't think it's gonna happen anytime soon as long as the technology doesn't evolve and the technology doesn't need to evolve you're right I talks sometimes like these are perfect products they really needed honing you are absolutely correct but yeah anyway I may listen I am forced to I know you have to go I can do listener mail by myself so do you want to do them now let's do it let's do it all right cool Jules it's time for listener mail it's beyond time for listener mail in fact let's do it brother so the first email is from Greg bond which is a really cool name by the way he says who writes in and says I use my HTC one max for media consumption perfect size portable good screen size that's awesome this is the first person in a while who's written in with an HTC one max I'll aging with a screen crack it's time to replace need six to 6.5 inches and two front facing speakers with good volume and quality as the max please help regards Greg from Sweden extra non important info as I know you like it short I'm 66 years old and had a real mobile phone in my car in 66 with a rotary dial getting a dial tone lifting the receiver Wow working just around Stockholm in two other cities if you called and told an operator where you were going he first pc was an msi 88 he built from a kit in the 70s still super geek listen your podcast every week that's awesome Greg thanks so cool to have you here seriously that's awesome oh my god well that's cool Greg um I my recommend you know what my recommendation for a one max replacement is gonna be given those criteria mm-hmm Nexus 6 or what got it man yeah the Nexus 6 is absolutely the best phone for these uh for those criteria the speakers are louder than on the one max they do not I don't think they kick out quite as high quality a sound but that's because the HTC One family gives you the best two audio quality there is on a speakerphone the Nexus 6 is loud it's clear it's got a six inch display so it doesn't have the best camera around but then neither did the one Max and it's got a big ol battery too I actually I ended up liking your your after the buzz on the Nexus 6 so much that I was like huh like one did you want to buy a white one like I want really liked it I've got it right here it's helping me run the show as it usually does Thank You AT&T for the extended loan for forgetting to ask for it back so far and letting us review it every few months so yeah the Nexus 6 I can't think of anything better for our friend Greg truly I mean listeners were probably right in if you'd leave a comment on the video thread if Greg wants to see it on the post at pocketnow.com a another recommendation at all my this sound is the kicker you know it's he needs front-facing speakers and not a lot of phablets have front-facing speakers but I know him I've got a mind block there's another phablet out there with front firing speakers I don't know which well well the Xperia z4 which is not a family that's got from firing speakers yeah the Sony's right they do yeah yeah so if if for some reason Greg you can't get the next section you don't want it the Sony devices was from ferry speakership they're quiet speakers but they they tend to be oh yeah I made that old one they won't Taylor had for a bit busy the z3 ultra yeah it's the ultra but it's too old and I'm trying to remember like the camera was terrible it was like a really before the Sun II figured out their camera software yeah yes it's it's real it's a really bad phone up to the point where it's no longer a Google Play edition thing right okay all right let's move on let's move that was a Greg thank you for your email that was really cool do you want to read jebadiah's email Jaime I let me get the third one you get this okay hey guys I heard Michael say that pebble doesn't do turn-by-turn oh this is a correction everybody this isn't a question so this is important yeah I said pebble didn't do turn-by-turn navigation which doesn't out of the box but he I just had to write in since jebadiah because it's one of my three favorite and most used pebble features I've been using the pebble app nav me for well over a year now and my og pebble it works great on every Android phone I've tried it with it launches on the pebble when navigation is started from the phone so I don't need to think about launching it myself and it shows the next turn and vibrates before the earng I highly recommend you give it a try guys this is my first time writing into the podcast I think I did okay yes you did keep up the good work and live long and prosper sincerely the GA bye awesome awesome awesome awesome and he has another recommendation for pebble users seeking apps music boss yeah I talked about that in the review so thank you jebediah for the correction excuse me and as the newspapers say pocket now regrets the error I'm at number three I need to polish up on my on my Android knowledge I guess as well feedback is great man it's well appreciated it's a high pocket now team this is got a Luis Moreau is that the way you pronounce yeah buddy you got it you know okay hi froggy now team let's keep this short as possible what extra features do you use on your Android phones if your daily drivers have them or how do and how do you use them like for example I our ports NFC heart rate sensors barcode scanners etc what would you put an NFC tag on your business card to send people your contact information stuff like that I finally gun started using NFC on iphone it's opens up a ton of possibilities except that everybody uses iPhones uh-huh so I can't use NFC together then scaring them into thinking I've taken their money carlos website maker everything fixer love - lovely to meet you dude yeah what do you use because I think that the only thing that I use and that's the reason why I usually like galaxy notes are the IR port for the you know controlling the TV I'm really use NFC so Jules uses NFC for purchasing but there aren't many terminals still even in our for looking boston offices or they don't work yeah I don't I use the I reports when I'm reviewing phones to to see if they work and yeah they work and the peel remote okay there it is networks and you know if I lose my remote on an occasion I'll do this but I really don't do NFC very often I'll use NFC to like do the tap the phones together to to do the Android backup when you get a but that always screws up the new Android phone somehow so I ended up having a flexion like a fact you know though I don't use that cute QR codes I use almost every day because we use AirDroid here in the office to wirelessly transfer files and you need to scan the QR code on the screen to get it to connect but aside from that I don't use QR codes because no I wouldn't put it on my business cards because you know it'll happen hey scan my business card you'll get all my content oh I don't have a QR reader installed on my phone okay you want to install it yeah just give me a second to install it oh I'm from the United States and we're both in Germany and this is gonna take four hours on the you know what here does it take when you just take my business card I have five million of them anyway oh you're right I'll just take this card and then I would say point being the experience is so cumbersome never mind word up indeed ya know um and what are the other things about your Billy barcode scanner that's at NFC is um really I wish I used I wish I used the more for that stuff I guess I guess the only thing and I'm gonna admit it the only thing that I actually use that's extra are a Moga controller to play Nintendo old Super Nintendo games on my phone and that's really like like the only extra thing that I use and I really highly recommend it I love I love the experience of playing the game with it with it with an external controller something that iPhones really suck at yeah and and so that's like one of the main extras that I use like if I'm gonna play I want to controller well ooh shiny there's something I'm forgetting I'm gonna kick myself afterwards but you know I use smart watches like I'm like the one of the only SmartWatch champions so I feel like I already I get a pass for saying no on this right we both are yes there you go all right cool I think we gotta go cuz I promise to let you go about a half hour ago and there's Q&A is here just the most up voted ones boki smokey toki asks almost 1 million subscribers that is true on our youtube channel we're about to hit 1 million subscribers do you guys have something planned to do as a celebration we do we haven't talked about the Bible we do we're gonna roll that it's gonna be cool it's gonna be great so it's thanks for baby it's amazing right Michael it is incredible it's just awesome I absolutely love it and I'm somewhere between one many many multipliers of that in monthly viewership too so thank you to all of you millions who helped us do this stuff fire phone is dead all caps for sin as well yeah yeah we got there we just need to get rid of the inventory that's the problem move it move it out of the warehouse and make room for more some more drone UPS drones they're building best camera on any non Lumia device I'm assuming you mean so far I gotta say the s6 is really far up there along with the iPhone 6 and the LG g4 if you were to press me on that matter yeah I wish I would have received that LG g4 I asked for no but you can get one of them we got we got a couple hanging around you can get one thank you really appreciate it I love doing this on the podcast I get free phones after that yeah honestly I feel that you know whatever Samsung has done after the note 4 is just amazing like I despise using the node edge particularly after lollipop but I put up with it because of the camera you put up with what because of the camera I put up with the phone you know the Note edge I put up with all the know - oh God yeah ok yeah no you write the note 4 had a really good camera too but the s6 camera is so much faster that I feel like it's just worlds and worlds better right and that that is the problem with the node lineup but it's extremely slow extremely slow after lollipop it's just stupid I'm gonna I want to end the show on bends of fly benzo fly why not let Sony make the next generation Nexus phone for the sake of helping a partner and giving a chance to others plus they make good hardware beautiful hardware that will also force Sony to market their phones in the US more properly I think that would be like the best Nexus phone ever no doubt that would be awesome I don't think you're gonna find any disagreements like if you would ask me right now if I have the cash what fun would I buy it would be an experience period I mean big big I love the high Wisconsin okay no chair please do share which one would you buy if I had them just to buy a phone right now you know for myself okay so I'm leaving and I'm not gonna marry oh I'm very happy with my motox even though it's getting old I would probably wait for the new motor ex but it would probably the Nexus 6 on project five but that's a carrier thing you know I'm special Jaime I can't answer okay but but wait a second I mean you're a camera guy come on you love this no job no doubt but I walked around a lot with the droid turbo join the after the buzz on that and I found that even in challenging situations I could usually get the shot I wanted it was good enough and the Nexus 6 is very similar performance there send something like wrong again did it is he are you okay are we there am i there am I here are you there is anyone around anywhere no one knows about anything I'm amazed I miss frozen is drool frozen Chad Hymas got okay so it's us and the two hundred sixty two of the rest of you okay well I had to go anyway so we're gonna end the podcast but Kelvin Alonso asks Michael after using time is back Michael after using the turbo again would you recommend for a Moto X for a Verizon customer aesthetics aside as a turbo user I must know Kelvin no I I would if you need to beat up your phone and if you really need a quad HD screen for some reason and it might last a little longer than the Moto X but considering how big of a missed opportunity was in terms of battery life I would I would say that feel them both in your hand first and then determine if you want the higher resolution of the Droid turbos camera there's also a processor difference which doesn't really do anything so it doesn't matter I you have to hold them both you have to use them both that's what I would say brother so I'm sorry that's not a very useful answer but it's the best one I can give you I was really sad I mean how could you have such a large battery and have it be so terrible yeah and from what phone arenas testing materials who use it as the Droid Maxx to or towards Super Max with yeah yeah the Droid Maxx that's the name yeah no no sorry the Motorola Maxx Rolla masks y'know max that's the name from what I hear it's really good if you don't get a vice version so the Verizon bloatware is very likely the cause and I was gonna ask you this why don't you pop a t-mobile SIM on that thing and give it a try er AT&T CU let's see what happens it's an unlocked phone already it does your grabbing of it that's the cool thing about right but it won't do anything about the Verizon below where it's still sitting on there and I can't flash the thing it's a review device you know I don't know the bloatware is there but obviously the only thing I'm not sure you're gonna get is LTE that's the only thing but give it a try let's check the man support I'm not sure watch the after the buzz of it folks if you don't know we're talking about watch the after the buzz video watch our videos consume our content thanks everybody thank you for all the q and a's and sorry as always i'm sorry we can't get to all of them but thanks for sticking with us and really thanks for all your awesome feedback and Jaime and Jules thanks to you both for being with me on the show today I really always appreciate your company thanks for having me folks that's gonna do it for this episode of the pocket net weakly the high-quality cut of which was 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