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I don't know if that means but ok for 10 yeah we're live guys yeah crit alive okay well that means that I have to play the dog music except now it's on Twitter why is it on Twitter okay guess this is how this show is going to go we go hands-on with the Moto Z and Z Force does motorola have the right recipe for modular phones what is google's project tango and what is augmented reality doing on the lenovo fab to pro also will cover some of the rumors surrounding wwdd WWDC this year if I can get any of this language out of my face what might Apple have up its leaves make sure you're charged and ready for episode 204 of the pocket now weekly others weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets and make our lives mobile smart phones tablets and wearables it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and your modular gadgets were Legos I'm one Carlos Becnel senior editor of pocketnow.com blasting the signal from sunny Southern California and rounding out our techie trio this week I am joined by also senior editor at pocketnow.com mr. 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lonavala know Bowtech world um everything about the tech products are going to be talking about this week are bad tongue twisters for me so we should do a drinking game on how often 1-1 tie somethin up and then like Jules was so kind to mention you know this was a one day trip for me I had to fly up there cut video fly back I'm a little wasted but then I was sitting on the the runway at SFO for almost an hour and a half before we actually got into the air and sitting right next to me in the middle seat is this tiny little woman who was just dry hack coughing all over everybody around her for the entire time this little and so now i also like i'm pretty sure i'm sick so if my voice just suddenly dies in the middle of this that's why guys i'll finish the podcast out through sign language and interpretive dance sure doll can definitely see that in audio right so motorola we've got all of the scoops that you would like to scoop on the moto z we got to check them out first hand go hands-on with the Moto Z and the Z Force this is an exciting new push from from Motorola this really does feel like the first proper moto lenovo phone so when lenovo originally sort of optioned and bought out motorola we pretty sure that they that motorola had products in the pipeline this really feels like that that first product that is coming directly from this partnership a fresh new approach to combining the talents of both of these companies and so we went hands-on with the moto z it is shockingly thin it is that they're saying it's the thinnest premium smartphone on the market and I'm inclined to believe them because it it makes a galaxy s7 feel a little on the chunky side when you hold them side-by-side and we've got the the standard suite of Motorola sensors you can wave your hand over the screen and it lights up part of the screen we've got this fingerprint sensor which is going to divide a lot of people down below the screen it's a it's not a home but it's just a fingerprint sensor and you have on-screen navigation controls so there is I know especially people in our audience who care about design and ergonomics they're going to be a lot of very critical responses to that and then I the of course the big talking points are no headphone jack you know we are dumping the 3.5 millimeter headphone jack and everything's going to be going over either us bc or bluetooth and that this is the first phone of a platform of devices for motorola where we're going to have modular pieces so these little magnetic pins on the bottom of the phone and motorola executives had a lot of fun taking shots at LG solution for modular devices oh you mean on our phones you don't need to pull out the battery or reboot the phone if you just want to add more you know battery life or a camera grasping Zeya notice that yeah so there were a lot of shots fired moments throughout this this press conference and throughout the show but I mean again it's at least I think a step in the right direction for what we might be able to do tailor-fit phones for specific people so you get this basic phone it's skinny it's pretty it's got a good camera it's got a great screen and then if you want to have the much better speaker playback you don't have to have boomsound speakers built into your phone you can add a speaker a speaker dock to the back or if you want to have a projector if you want to have just you know a double sized battery you can make that choice based on your usage for what it is that you value on your phone so I think it's a step in the right direction for for this conversation because we're going to have a number of these devices coming down the pipe I think especially with rumors pointing to a project ara release early next year this is setting the stage and I think Motorola at least has a solution here which I think will be a bit more appealing to third-party developers I think that they'll probably gained a bit more traction on this then LG has with their LG friends in fact you know one of the launch partners is JBL so they already have a name brand coming out for a speaker dock one of their primary battery solutions is coming from incipio and to me and so you've got two companies building batteries right there and then you've got a kate spade so you even have like this fashion brand that's going to be associated with the product already at launch with a number of other products i'm down the pipeline rumors about camera grips they're actually showing this on video right now thanks Jules where they had this like a laser keyboard demo which just looks super cool in a very Tron kind of way and so I think we'll see some really cool stuff from from Motorola and Lenovo with with this product line that seems it seems really cool though the only thing that I'm really super concerned about is the connection between the phone and the modular pieces you actually want ads on with that so can you can you speak to like how secure the connection is because the motorola website says quote super-strong magnets which i don't know about you but you know that so it makes me okay well they are the weakest gravitating attractive forces in the universe so well yeah but iiii don't have a basis of comparison or study they claim something super you know like i know when when goku becomes a Super Saiyan there's a significant change in his appearance I can't speak to what a super strong magnet might be / Motorola ok but how strong is a connection i guess is mike so so it takes both hands to pry off the speaker dock like you can't just get a thumbnail in there and pop it you have to be holding on to both devices and it's a deliberate action to peel them apart and these once you snap something on it feels like a an attached part of that phony like your phone okay it doesn't feel like something's wiggling or wobbling back there um so you know obviously with some of the back plates they have custom back plates where you can use wood panels or different types of materials to make the back of your phone fancy um those have more flexibility those have more give so they're a little easier to peel off but the projector dock that snaps onto the back feels like one cohesive unit with the phone I think it's very well implemented and it's easily able to handle the weight of the phone so as you're holding from like this speaker dock or you're holding from the projector dock the phone doesn't feel like it's ever going to slide out or in a flop off or anything like that again I think it's very well implemented in those things that us what sorry those motor mods uh they run on their own power they have their own batteries which is why the soap some of them do I so the the speaker dock I don't think all moto mods will work this way but it's me doctor what I mean you gotta say that 20 the motors is 2600 milliamp battery is not going to be able to run as such a projector or like rice and so there's there's there was definitely some forethought when it came to the JBL speaker dock I think has a battery that can that can run for two or three hours of playback before it affects your phone battery because it'll eventually start pulling power from your phone right and the projector doc I think they said had like up to 10 hours of playback off the battery built into that could be the other way around I think or those might be swapped you're right yeah but but even so the thing that really concerned me was if the connection was going to be strong enough it seemed like it would be too strong for human hands but it was going to be weak enough for human hands it didn't seem like it would be strong enough but I guess that's a you're the only one that had hands on time so that's why we have to I think all about finding that that balance I think it's all about finding that that that spot in between right cuz I mean there are industrial magnets that human hands will never pry them off of a metal surface once they attach to something like you like like an MRI if you have any metal here in MRI that's a deadly situation um so what what I think Motorola has found a good balance for is a is that it requires a deliberate action they're not difficult to remove but you're not likely to do this accidentally Jojo this this goes along with in the QA from Panzers e you know how strong the videos make it seem like you can take these covers off pretty easily and and when looking at the covers I think the covers are easier to take off because the covers themselves will flex so you can pry and kind of peel a little bit easier but that speaker dock is not flexible at all so right it requires you to kind of pop all of the magnets at once and it is a much more deliberate action to remove that one of those harder docks or one of the battery docks i should say um for for how those magnets attach in a line the other thing I wanted to ask was a in your in your hands on video it almost seemed like the it's seems like that the Moto Z is designed to have some type of moto mod attached to it it almost seems like the phone looks like it's missing a piece until you attach one of those mods to it until like all the seams seem to come together and just from a design standpoint can you speak to that I absolutely agree I I think this is still sort of playing into the so I think when it comes to the motorola Z of the Moto's II sorry I this really does seem to be to be a lenovo influence device I mean we've seen a number of those lenovo thinkpads where maybe the battery life's a little lean but they were trying to make the thinnest sleekest most portable device ever and that came at the expense of extra battery and for people who want an extra battery life they've got quick charging solutions or you can find some kind of you know additional battery or backup battery solution and that really does speak to me what the Lindo the Moto Z was built around we made this the thinnest possible phone and then you it's up to you to make it the phone you want it to be and for some people if you have to sort of very basic usage you just need to cover the basics on a smartphone and maybe you're fine just slapping a cover on there and then that plays into the motorola aesthetic of you designing the phone that you that fits your personal style and so maybe it's a wood panel back maybe it's a carbon fiber back or maybe it's a leatherback whatever whatever backs that they initially release or what color options that they have you can make it that fit for you and then for other people out there if you have very specific usage concerns i hope to see a recording interface built into a moto mod i hope to see camera equipment they there was no camera equipment for show there's this one little quick tease of what looked like a camera grip during the the keynote but they didn't have anything hands-on to show what their their photography or video solutions might be yeah i noticed that i heard rumors about like the 10x optical zoom edition stuff like that was really interested in seeing something like that but there was this the other there were people on the show floor talking about these like really left-field outlandish rumors like well maybe hassle blod you know medium format camera manufacturer might partner up with motorola and lenovo just like like I did with Huawei and I don't know how likely that is but I do believe that very quickly after the release this phone will probably start hearing word about some kind of photography battery grip I mean even if it's just that to start I think that'll get the ball rolling on maybe another company I would love to see an olympus walk in and develop a moto mod so that you can attach olympus lenses to your camera I i think there's every possibility for some really interesting work to happen and there MDK there moto mod developer kit seems to be pretty accessible they're there they're hosting a million-dollar prize for the their favorite I moto mod and it's going to be partly judged by Ashton Kutcher ryan has to draw people in right that's a big deal so super big deal I'm so I tweeted yesterday I said you can just go ahead and make the check out to me cuz I'm gonna develop a moto mod with a headphone jack boom hahaha oh I mean like you know if we're going to continue the whole shots fired thing we don't have the LG friends DAC here in the United States there's there's a huge opportunity for motorola to appeal to audio files develop a really high quality DAC amp combo that then doesn't live as a separate lump in your pocket it just attaches to the back of your phone yeah so so i did i did feel bad for Ashton during the the keynote though because there were a couple transitions that didn't seem very well-rehearsed there's this is what mom I felt bad form I really did there's this one moment where they were sort of done with him but Yellen said anything and so he just stood there then look then just wandered off stage like I've been in situations like that on a much much smaller scale it was somewhat tough see the CEO of lenovo yuan Ching yang be up there and you know there are differences between the presentation with Chinese and American audiences and he makes that very very clear yes yes he does every single time talking about oh well my Silicon Valley friends tell me that I should introduce this person onto the stage so uh why not introduce them and in presentation-wise I mean it could have gone better but you know what the devil is what we want to see on stage and or off stage in the case of the pendant uh bendable phones but um they well and I have to say though purple east-meets-west company like Lenovo I think they actually did a very good job you know there wasn't a lot of fat on this there were just some awkward transitions and like you're right Jules we got great looks at a number of forward facing strategies coming from Lenovo they're very interested in becoming services solution um that their Hardware should serve an actual application or applic app or product or some kind of data service not just be a solution unto itself and I didn't realize a center in this market especially you know he was very frank about talking about how the pc market is is becoming extinct and how we need to be moving into a better interactions with products and services moving into the future and you know this this really did showcase a number of potential strategies and potential technologies that people could use to take advantage of this yeah a lot of that show a lot of the beginning of the show was like the future is gonna be really great and we're just like okay move on let's announce a how we were to bring the future was like yeah are we gonna ever get a taste of that like today are you just gonna you know show us I don't know futurama for the next you know hour and a half or so well but I was good at getting a little long so no they're they're definitely an earthy some moments where it's like I we get the point we can move on from here but i have to say considering some of the things that they needed to announce and they needed to address for the most part I thought it was handled well especially being in the audience um little things like when those moto mod videos were popping up the crowd was really getting into that stuff it's hard to tell when you're watching the keynote remotely but um there were a couple like stand up in applause moments when people were showing some of these new setups and and then also for from the business I there were a number of their businesses there at the Lenovo tech world to talk about like server infrastructure and stuff like that there was some really key developer stuff which really is an hour beat on pocketnow.com that had people out of their chairs to you know again there was a really good energy for the crowd there people there were really interested in what was going on I'm going through a few more of these uh questions and comments in the in the QA here Joel GJ I'm happy that Lenovo is staying stock plus from what I see is there anything otherwise it's really difficult for us to comment on pre-release software but it really does seem that Motorola is going to be holding to that aesthetic of utilizing a largely stock Android interface with a couple sort of tweaks and additional benefits that live on top like the sensors on the front face of the phone that you can use to interact with gestures and the camera app actually got a pretty sweet little update as far as I'm concerned because Motorola cameras are typically pretty terrible this one seemed eminently more usable even though it was a pre-release demo unit a question about those sensors to the front panel of the phone there are those two little hot marks that are like two left or right of the sensor the fingerprint sensor oh yeah top it's a vamp out of my thing oh well how do you think there's answers all over the front row there's this kind of a thing there we go yeah it kind of had a feel of like incomplete hardware with those with those sense reports on the front I don't know maybe that's how it's ultimately going to look but um yeah I wasn't a fan and of the the four ports the four dots in the four corners of the phone what I'm what I'm hoping that they might be able to address or just subtly refine is the look of the shape of the fingerprint sensor that I think is going to draw a lot of Eire from from the people on our channel because we have on-screen controls and then we have this square under the screen you need the extra bezel at the bottom if you have all these sensors built into the phone you can't just eliminate bezel space i right that needs to be there but we don't have capacitive controls and this fingerprint sensor doesn't seem to act as any kind of home button um so it does stick out and it feels like it should click like the entire first couple minutes and I'm holding this phone trying to demo it and I keep going back to the home button I'm doing that really obnoxious likes a magnification thing where I've been trained by another company to like click in as like oh that doesn't work I have to reshoot this this part of the video yeah I actually the same thing with the HTC 10 because see the home button that doesn't click exactly ladies a well used to that at least with the HTC 10 it's an always-on sensor that takes you home right all the Moto isn't like that no the moto doesn't take you home is that like just on the off chance that you need to unlock your phone or buy something well in and it's emmie it's by design in that they can't put the fingerprint sensor on the back and the phone is way too thin to build it into a side-mounted power button right so the only place left is under the screen and it's it's against me with enough room for capacitive keys no no well I I don't think they I really don't think they can build capacitive keys and keep those chin mounted sensors so I think the on-screen controls are necessity but if you're gonna have that home button out there I got to go home it's got to go home that's where I mean I shouldn't even be caught as he and look at that i'm calling it a home button it's not all but well on a button it's a fingerprint sensor yeah edward sharpe and we are the bit it makes me wonder if there's gonna be like a software setting in their kind of like a 1 plus a you know one plus one Esk type of thing where you can set the home you can set the fingerprint sensor to go home or you can maybe even set it to do something else you know media and I really hope that we do see like on Huawei's where you can use it as a gesture to pull your notification shade yeah you know if you could use it as a shortcut for something like that or a way to easily toggle a voice assist or now on tap or something like that yeah there's there's potential and I hope they expand on it but there wasn't anything for us to report from the show floor as to how that functioned so I've had another QA from John Matthews he says hey dibs on first question where is the speaker on the Moto Z and will there be a gsm version coming to the US and the fall or is it just global besides the u.s. so it's good question the first one actually both the questions both good questions John you're on point you're keeping us on point John yeah I'm sorry I didn't actually answer your question first cuz you did have first dibs so when the the speaker on the the moto is doing exactly what I've been asking manufacturers to do for years now where the top earpiece speaker is the front facing speakers on the phone there is no sighs okay is it just the one front the one press again we don't have room in and we'd have to build in a double chin if we prided stereo speakers but it is compromised the Russian buddy yeah they prob sorry owner I was fine but but it really goes to your point Adam that it's just good enough you know everything about the Moto Z is this is the base smartphone so it was really difficult to get any sense of what that speaker could do on the show floor cuz there's you know there's a lot of stuff happening all around you but even for like trying to play videos or music you know I would I would worry just a little bit about the power of that speaker for things like notifications in ringtones you just like this is the bass speaker and we're gonna have other solutions like this speaker dock if you really want to blast out your audio so there there are some concerns are that will have to address once we actually have one of these things in-house to review it during the hands-on video I actually was able to fire up one of our videos and I'm pointing the phone at my camera so that you should be able to hear and you can't hear me at all when I slap on the speaker dock and and even facing backwards it was noticeably louder facing backwards it was immediately picked up by my camera camera microphone so again we've got some some pretty pretty important questions to answer when it comes to that kind of hardware and lifestyle features but um the one thing that I don't have a very clear grip on right now is going to be their release strategy as far as I know we're starting off with the droids and so in the United States when this thing finally does launch it's going to be a moto Z and Z Force droid edition going to verizon and i'm pretty sure that for the united states the first ones we're going to get are going to be unlocked units I don't know what other relationships they might have with like other carriers like AT&T or t-mobile all right droids it really seems like there are only going to be gsm versions of this phone i don't think there's going to be a sprint version of this phone being manufactured is it's not going to be a droid and I don't think Motorola has any intention of offering up I I could totally be wrong here so this is speculation but I don't think Motorola has intentions of building out brit cdma model specifically for sprint yeah okay so were there any other any other phones there that were worth talking about or was it just mosey well you know there were there a couple others okay interestingly enough the the the before oh sorry Jules before we move on to the fab we should mention that the Z Force um is probably going to be a phone that a number of people in our audience are really going to be interested in simply because it's a little bit thicker yeah that's a bigger one nificant Lee larger battery and it's got the the durable screen technology that we saw in the droid 2 so they're they're claiming it's a shatterproof screen was great as I was sitting at this this table they had these like Globox tables where we they had all the reviews and it really screwed with my camera's exposure um it was really difficult issue but I'm sitting next to this guy from from India and he's taking Moto's easy forces he's just whipping them into the table I want to find I mean I'm there have to be youtube videos out there I want to find what channel this guy's on because it's like we're all trying to review or trying to go hands-on a true video of these devices and like no compunction no decorum he's talking into this little like lavell ear mic plugged into like a point-and-shoot camera as he's just like and you can see and the screen it's not shattered and you're like oh my god what are you doing well they're not that type of damn ok I this is not that type of way they have that kind of compunction so good on him / try but if you gets the exclusive I mean more power to them but one of the other interesting things is is in addition to all these specs getting just a little bit bigger obviously the phone design can't change significantly because they all have to use the same moto mods and that means that we can be pretty confident that we know what next year's Moto's are going to look like to if they have to use the same hardware yes definitely building phones around what accessory compatibility there is but the the Moto z-force also bumps up to a higher resolution camera which I thought was interesting we go from a 13 megapixel camera on the z to a 21 megapixel camera on the z4s wave just more room because it's thicker or something or like I think with some of these 12 megapixel sensors we've worked out some of the the shenanigans and the issues for for depth for how deep these lens and camera modules are and maybe we just haven't done that with the higher resolution sensors I don't know um whatever reason they thought they motorola you know maeda made an effort to bump up the specs on that one on that point too so it could be interesting coming down the pipe but again with all the popularity that we've seen from the the droid turbo to UM at least it looks like Motorola fans not on verizon will soon not not at lunch but will soon have options to also get the benefits of that shatterproof screen and I know a lot of people are going to be stoked about that that'll be nice that will be very nice can't we until the fall yeah and you should be it should be pretty exciting so or as a somebody put it we're going to we're gonna launch on verizon exclusively in the summer and then everywhere else in the fall when nobody cares well we have um i'm trying to dig through the through the a the QA here but joel g joel GJ rights he thinks the verizon exclusivity will increase demand for the phone when it becomes unlocked and what do you think what do you think your thoughts on that Adam do you think that if the droid Edition comes out and gets a bunch of positive buzz that that sets the stage and the talking points for gsm models to follow well there's a couple of things there first of all hi mayor very yesterday I don't know i I can't verify this maybe he's got something i don't but apparently something with verizon phones have to be forced unlocked so or can be for so much or they are all for some they're all supposedly unlocked so you can pick up a verizon phone pop it AT&T sim into it and go to town I can't confirm that so oh is that is that the true okay awesome I don't that's true for every phone I don't um but starting back behind like glow when I was reviewing the Lumia icon it was a very quiet like hush-hush and if you put like your tmobile sim in there it works too he fell okay all right yeah I'd never heard that before so awesome I'm is the only one that still does the whole walking thing but no I can't really speak to whether or not all LTE bands are supported but for that the other thing is you know sure you're building up this anticipation with this verizon only lunch but you're also going to be launching this phone after the the next Nexus you're going to be launching after the galaxy note you're going to be launching it after potentially the next iPhone I mean not it how is that a good strategy i look i know there was money involved and i know that you know fine i just i just wish that to me carrier exclusivity is right in that same ballpark as you know invites invite systems for buying and you know just can we just please sit at the big kids table for a while can we not do this exclusively and we already know we can already predict what a number of our viewers are going to say about that i mean we're in the process of wrapping up our galaxy s7 active review that's a phone that worldwide would be a very popular unit but it's an eighteen t and and not just that it that there's a flavor of it which is exclusive to AT&T it's that the rugged galaxy s is worldwide only available t you know so it's not like you can get a galaxy s7 tough edition or something like that in the UK it's that this thing is is properly i'm stuck on one carrier in the united states yes that's all so messed up but anyway ugh didn't um am I am I wrong but didn't the S active line have a different carrier variant one year wasn't it like the vibe sport for the s5 sport for spring okay yes I wasn't crazy on that so there's lots of an s7 support for spring as well so so then what those typically are made out of different materials like the S the S 5 sport was a metal back phone just like the s4 active was i right well that's true that's true again i think i think it's because i think we have the active because 18t is commissioning samsung to do this not because Sam is making this phone and ATT has signed them to an exclusivity deal on that and I'm splitting hairs on this but you know if like orange in the UK wanted to carry an exclusive Samsung durable phone I'm sure they could strike out a deal with Samsung to achieve that it's just whether or not they feel they can make money on that based on how much they're going to paper model unit on a on a niche phone um that's not going to be one of their more popular sellers but 18t has this vested interest in catering to corporate job site construction you know they have to have a solution for those markets and increasingly you can't get away with just like well here's a fifty-dollar kyocera you know like you need to have something that can actually step on an geocachers don't leave out geocachers and all the palms remember you got that sin goggled collar I can't tell them how many galaxy s6 actives I sold for 80 and Samsung by showing that phone off to parents that was a super popular phone in my circle of friends last year I sort of those on ATT when I was showing them like yeah it's this and it's a bit more durable and it's water-resistant and like you have kids and they get sticky damn good phone but anyway um so can we transition over to the tippy toe let's transition over to the to the fab just one more from the QA from Joel GJ are the Moto mods are abased and I can't believe that they are I think the sections that are used in the era are unipro they're universal and they have like some sort of 11.9 gigabit per second connection speed i'm not sure what these the 16 connection dots are supposed to be supposed to bring but yeah when you give it a shot man yeah but no but I mean completely different platform then also project are is going to usher in an era of Android wear Android will start to handle hardware like your PC does you know drivers that allow you to plug and play things in run to it in a very organic way this is still very much Motorola has to develop the solution where the hardware talks to the phone uniquely and specifically um so I don't believe that this is even loosely based on what Motorola's skunkworks division was doing with our I think this is a separate solution and to winning author writes do you think in a few years we will build phones like we build pcs I think next year we'll have the ability to do that with project ara so I think that's very high in here you go down to microcenter and do it but hey you're gonna lunch wagon do it go to a lunch for questioning portal we go so no I'm not gonna come oh yeah that's work so one of the the most fascinating things about this this Lenovo tech world was a we of course knew we had we were under embargo so we knew that the fab to pro was going to be coming down the pipe we knew a lot of the talking points about project tango the Google's augmented reality it's no longer project tango it's just tango that this was all going to be coming for lenovo tech world immediately one of the first things that i want to bring up and i'd love to hear your thoughts on this adam i thought it was fascinating that their initial discussion of the fab to pro was centered on the fact that this is going to be coming to united states sellers that an unlocked model is going to be going to bestbuy they have a partnership with lows for augmented reality uh you know decorating services and right auction services that lenovo is making a push with the new lenovo brand into north america at the same time as they're leveraging the moto brand to reach customers that are already here and i was wondering what you thought about lenovo trying to make inroads like that well it's interesting especially for lenovo which is a company that's not really known for phones in the united states so i think i think this is centered around a couple of different things first of all lenovo does want to establish a sort of a beachhead in the united states and you know well they should and also i think this is also to push a lot of project tango or excuse me tengo this is this is meant to push this tango technology out into places like Lowe's and into you know this augmented reality type stuff that that people are going to be using and they're doing a lot of things right they're doing you know the price mine on this gigantic monster of a phone um you know like 499 for this afford the unlocked version for a six point I mean just just affect it's a six point four th screen good God oh it's going to get a little more six point four inches that's look as it's gigantic and now was that that 499 price point which fab to was that for wasn't that too broad product and that was the throw that's crazy the rest of them there are two others the fab to in the fab 2 plus and they're all standard non tango phones and there are six point four inches but ones at Full HD and ones at 720p actually I missed that part of the I miss that part of the demo so the other two up to the other two fab 2's are not tango enabled yeah the pros on that is indus mango and moves us up to a quad HD screen oh that's an awful idea but anyway alright so I take it back do I mean this I mean they spent most of their stage time talking about the fab oh yeah up to pro not the fat / 02 yeah I'm tangentially aware of the other two phones if you know until I read in a pocket oh but anyway so but just the fact that they're putting it out there at such a great price point for such a you know looks like a really great phone a tango aside I think they're doing they're doing a lot of those right regard look at that one colors soon that nerf good with ya so they had these these I mean like so this is something that I've been I've been you know sort of very vocal about especially after we started seeing hollow lens demos is that while virtual reality is very very cool today and it creates this awesome immersive experience that once you start playing with augmented reality it's there just so many more immediate practical applications practical applications but then gaming stuff is is a different kind yeah really cool so the hell what were you seeing at that nerf that nerf tournament psychic were you shooting virtual nerf darts no so so they had these these nerf guns that they converted with cradles that when you pull the trigger would activate the blaster in in your in your aim and you know it's using tango and it's using the camera to inform the visuals that you're looking around and then built into the depth of that space these aliens would sort of like like predator style uncloak and you would have to find them in track them all that's awesome in real space in real time and then when you pull the trigger you would shoot these lightning bolts that would either hit the alien and you'd kill the alien or then a sort of lightly ricochet off of the real walls and structures that you were walking and awesome we're talking about a five-hundred-dollar phone that is running this demo on pre-release software and it's running really well I mean there are occasional little lags and stutters and the game's not super complex but it's instantly engaging because you're looking for these little cloaked warbles of like of alien life and then you start blasting at them in a young cloak and they try and attack you and semi like it it's it's instantly captivating it's almost like you had like a like a like a scanner and that's how you were gonna view the world through this like this filter this lens so I wrote an editorial about about project tango or sorry tango although actually I might maintain I might maintain my stance by calling it project tango just in sort of a protest but anyway read the article to find out why but I wrote it and it seemed like it seems like project tango is a lot like hololens and have you done how long's demo one I have yes okay so can you having done both can you kind of layout are they the basically the same are the other major differences between the two or I'd say sorry excuse me I'm might my voice might actually die on it's your guys um i would say we're looking at tango compared to hollow lens it's a little synonymous to the comparison we might levy between a really nice google cardboard or samsung gear vr headset and then an HTC vive okay oh so all right so you can create a very interesting and immersive experience i think like you know like gaming is kind of fun on on cardboard and I think the gear takes it to a higher level but it's not going to be the same kind of of completely immersive high end gaming experience that you can get from an HTC vive right there's no a headset or anything yet no it's that you you view everything through the phone and and that still has immediately amazing and fascinating implications for how we can interact with data and services and I think automatically the next step is can we now build this into a pair of glasses and succeed where Google glass really failed us for you know discreet notifications and stuff like yeah okay so but I kind of I mean like it's not a perfect analogy but I think that's a similar analogy that that cardboard very easily engages a consumer base with virtual reality and starts a discussion and I think tango will do the same we'll continue we're going to have a hard time explaining augmented reality to the masses but if you can discreetly build the stuff into phones that people were going to buy anyway so once it starts spreading even just a little bit wider and i'm sure google has you know designs to be building this into a future nexus working with samsung or HTC or other carriers and partners to start including this hardware so that it becomes a broader platform when it's just in your phone anyway and you don't even think about it you just take it for granted that you can pick up your phone and scan your living room and say I want a coffee table there how big a coffee table should I get and it automatically draws the volume of a coffee table in the middle of your living room you need have to think about it yeah summers won't need to be explained to a stock fits in reality is they'll just start using it and that's what I think it's exciting I think hololens is going to have that top-down approach just like the vibe businesses and corporations engineering firms graphic design they're gonna launch on to this in because they get it they know what they can do with this already gamers are going to be interested in like you know I want a minecraft all over my living room that's a that's awesome that's totally what I want to do but the general consumers out there I think are still going to be a little hesitant to strap a computer to their head into their face but their phones are instantly excessive for any conversation so was there any talk there from anyone from google about their various partnerships with other OEMs I mean the fab to is the only one that's going to be is the only phone that's going to be they actually the fab to pro is the only one that's going to be taking on tango properties but what about other phones in the future because that's basically the crux of my article is unless there's other OEM support here project tango is probably going to be labeled a gimmick if not worse yeah uh you know in in talking with people at the event most of the people there really novo so um you know I didn't get any face time with Google engineers on this one I got to speak to a lot of people at Qualcomm I got to speak to a lot of people at Motorola and Lenovo and it was is like this is a motorola lenovo event so why would I ask them so uh so Jeffrey at lenovo will this also show up on a samsung yeah right but one well one third and third one third of their their presentation there was all about project tango so I mean presumably they should be ready to talk about it and how they're gonna push this forward granted a five-hundred-dollar super phablet is a great great way to push it forward but it's a phone that I mean it's a phone that what one percent two percent of the smartphone market is gonna buy Oh probably less than that probably lice i think i think this is and again this is why i can't really comment beyond you know beyond who i did get to speak to because I from Google's perspective I'm sure they are probably working on what other deals they can arrange to start utilizing this hardware and other devices um but you know you're not gonna I'm not going to get the scoop on that unfortunately at a Lenovo branding and and um I'd been able to speak to a Google engineer I think they'd be more inclined to say this is the product that's actually coming out and one other things who are coming up in the pipeline then we can discuss Gus more than you know like we'll get that our spin but I think what's interesting here again taking it back to that original point is that there is going to be a significant presence where if you go to a best buy you'll be able to play with one Lo's wants to set up kiosks where you can actually utilize these services in real time so that people can see what the benefits might be and that's something that we've talked about you I'm we talked about this with you in the past on a podcast to Adam that you know for a huawei to make an amazing phone and then never put boots on the ground to show Americans what it can do means that the phone is irrelevant and here I novo striking and it's not even like what we're planning on doing this and we might do that maybe we'll set up a mall kiosk or lenovo store in you know a mall in New York it's no work we've got partnerships set with best by lowes so that people will instantly see what it is that this brings to the table and and I think that could actually spur on a lot more mind share from for lenovo in this space I sure hope said that there's the bifurcation between moto which is work super oriented and then you have well it's not necessarily you know business enterprise but I mean for those that are who assigned a specific use productivity sort of i mean like they're pitching it as a home improvement kind of thing where you're taking measurements etc etc I mean there's there is that part of the consumer segment I'm not sure with a call it though but they're like it's business plus is what I'm saying yeah oh yeah but but but again it's it's it's finding a number of solutions and a number of opportunities to really present and pitch this thing appropriately and again like I was saying this is one of those technologies I really think while VR is super cool and like I said it's immersive and it closes you off to the world around you and you you enter a new world I think that's that's slick I think augmented reality is going to impact every single service that we interact with and it's going to do it in a much more organic way than other things like you know you kind of have to learn how to acclimate to a SmartWatch I really do believe that when you can organically pick up a phone and the phone just start scanning information around you like depth location in motion tracking and you didn't have to teach it or train it or set up sense around your home so that it could track points you know more accurately that is going to be one of those it just works situation consumers are gonna pick up and they're going to just do this and like I can check out my bedroom and I want to put a poster on the wall I want to see what this does now my kids going to pick it up and they want to learn about velociraptor so a little Velociraptor pops up on the kitchen table and they can spin it around and they can interact with it you know that's gonna be just a very easy transition into getting two people to think about some of these different opportunities to interact with a software and service yeah absolutely one hundred percent agree I might actually I saw a I saw a demo a long time ago actually in my web OS days of an augmented reality type of software where you could open up a magazine aim your phone at it and the the article of the magazine would actually come alive and play like a video stuff like that it's gonna be one of those things where it's gonna integrate into your daily lives and it's gonna be it's gonna be pretty awesome when it gets here and i got i hope it gets here soon and tango looks like it's a good good is hitting the right first step I had a lootcrate where they had this little sensor on the box and wasn't a sensor this little icon on the box and you you loaded this app and it would create this little like cityscape and you could look through your phone window and it would blow things up and that was really cool tango takes us to that level where you don't have to have any location points or special sensors or special icons for that stuff to happen so a Kyle Ruggles in our QA rights imagine 3d scanning or fitness you can scan yourself in 3d using your phone and compare two months later from now I mean imagine that information tying into like your Fitbit or yes awful it anyway a lot of us are all of us on the paulino team are probably Karen just a little extra punch than we should be and I think also all three of us simultaneous adjust I'm a second in zone so I again yeah and once this thing is just sort of neck naturally and organically built into the cameras that we're going to be using anyway I think it just catches on like wildfire so I'd be very surprised if we didn't see tango style projects from major manufacturers over the next year I'll be shocked if Samsung doesn't have some thing out the door uh sometime next year you know what I can honestly see a note being a tango type enabled phone absolutely where you know the the next note maybe not the next one that might be a little bit too soon but you know the note noting what are we on seven eight nine I bet then the note 8 next year comes out I could see that being a tango enabled phone just because it would be awesome yeah so uh so I mean like there there are definitely some questions that we have to ask about the the fab to pro I'm not as familiar with the Qualcomm 652 processor a lot of people have been asking about that as far as i know it benchmarks very similarly to a Qualcomm 808 which i think is fine from a performance standard it's not going to be a hardcore gaming monster but it tackles just about every sort of lifestyle use that you could throw at it fine now it's got the right amount of RAM it's got big storage 64 gigabytes of storage on tap the higher resolution screen which on that screen size I think actually does provide a little bit more of a benefit with a quad HD display and so like Kyle Ruggles in the Q&A rights you know judge it without tango alone is it worth it for five hundred dollars and without tango it's not going to be a five-hundred-dollar phone so I would say it's probably appropriately priced considering the bleeding edge technology that we've got on board and when you separate out the bleeding edge technology well then you've got a fab 2 plus not a fab to pro right there really a lower price point for that I'm excited for it I'm really stuck I'm really hoping that will be a will be in early on some cuz even to some of the silly demos and and if you know for anyone who's listening to this podcast or checking checking the show out because this phone is huge it's so big um you have to check out our hands-on video because I'm in the middle of I'm setting up a tripod and I'm trying to use this phone and you know I've got my tiny little hot at hands and and I'm holding this monster 6.4 inch screen and I'm trying to do like stuff on the display while showing the augmented reality features and I'm kind of struggling a little I mean like it's hard to balance all of that and make a good looking video and this tiny little asian woman who barely spoke any English just comes running up and like grabs the phone and while I'm holding with one hand she's holding it with another and then he was being hurt her and to interact with stuff on the screen and it it was maybe the most hysterical moment I've had on a show for since I started talking about in covering technology products it's just ridiculous um and so that's that's a part of the video that we put out for our hands on so you definitely have to check that out I will so that's it that's all it's happening right yeah um I don't think anything else in the world happened uh we we have out editorials on on pocketnow.com we do we did get a couple sneak peeks at things like some of their bendable screen tech but one of the two shift gears pretty majorly one of the things that I wanted to kind of pick your guys's brain about is what ramble might have coming down the pipe so this is a hard transition guys and thank you everyone for folks writing messages and questions in the Q&A we might not be able to get to all of them obviously but if there's something really pressing that you want to know about the phone drop us a comment on our hands on videos I'm going to be picking through comments over the weekend hit our comments on pocketnow.com or hit our podcast at pocket nail com email address and we'll probably be doing a light follow up on next week's podcast is to answer any other additional questions that people think we missed but WWDC apples developer conference and what we might see coming down the pipe from apple on on this this preview from Adrian here that Adrian wrote up this preview spot immediately and one of the things that he didn't really write about we just posted it on the show right now I wanted to get your guys's reactions to the rumor that we might see some form of I message show up on Android devices my reaction is oh that's good so actually that would be really interesting and I think it would be a good counter move to to Google's messenger apps whose names completely escape all I know and fellow that's ready yeah well that was embarrassing it's only been like four weeks and safe but yeah I honestly I think that's going to be a major major point of competition to to Google's new messaging services if I message can come to Android even facetime come to Android I don't know maybe III I mean I hate that I'm gonna say this but I really wish facetime would come to han cho babe well you have it it's called skype now get using I don't want to have to explain to my grandmother like why some people can FaceTime and some people can skype and so I would very much rather it just be you know again this is what I think is fascinating right well the apple site which is having a solution for it this is what I think is amazing you've got companies like um like Google and Microsoft that our services companies that dabble in hardware and then you've got companies like Lenovo that I think are trying to transition they're trying to transition from just being you know pc manufacturers into beings you know like all kinds of solutions for any type of hardware with the idea that they're also pushing into more services run any Apple which is still I think that apple would consider themselves a hardware company but now they're starting to loosen the leash a little bit on some of these services which drive sales for iPhones because we're seeing growth in revenue for them on things like Apple music you know you can't ignore Android if you're going to make money on a service um it only makes sense to have a part of that service be available to a phone platform that you don't sell right absolutely so man it'll be it would be interesting to see honestly i I just I get the sense that that WWDC is going to be as was as I mentioned in the in the collaborative post we did and was reiterated on this article here I think it's just going to be a snooze fest I think it's going to be I think Apple has kind of you know iOS has painted itself into a corner where there's really only so much more functionality that they can introduce I think a lot of what we're going to see is probably going to be or they say hope a lot of what we're going to see is going to be based around Siri and based around the personal assistant to sort of counter what Google and in the Amazon are doing so maybe we'll I don't know that we'll see and I guess it would be called an ihome but what that names already taken so I don't know if we'll see a Google home type of equivalent I doubt it that seems to be the type of thing that apple would want to can see how it goes and then maybe it'll develop its own thing later but I just I just really hope that we can see a lot of marked improvements in how Siri interi accent and becomes more of a like a personal assistant rather than just a an answer spitter yeah to be honest I am more looking forward to whatever Siri can do beyond her ethereal reach and ultimately I think it like somehow Sierra has to work with ness Siri has to work with well I mean this home can but yeah you have to put it all under one umbrella and just run with it Apple because too many I was going to make an analogy but I can't well no Jules I think that's a great point though because isn't one of the reasons that people buy into the apple ecosystem is because it's supposed to be this really well-put-together ecosystem and so when they're coming out with new products and services and they're also trying to incorporate what their partners their manufacturers part manufacturing partners are doing that this has been a difficult transition for a lot of companies almost all companies out there and trying to tie all of these pieces together were at the very beginning stages of Internet of Things and stuff like that and so iOS like you were saying Adam iOS is is kind of locked in this one yo sort of usage scenario and we see Apple really struggling to open up the platform so that it can be used more professionally or or make the platform more flexible so it can interact with other apps and services that need to move files around or will it be able to communicate with all of these IOT devices that are going to be coming out and you know for apples very strict control over their product lines to maintain their own ecosystem it makes the cut it delivers challenges for the company when that that ecosystem needs to build more broadly over devices they don't have complete control over yeah and that's it's it's it's a challenge and apples going to have to overcome and I did it this is the WWDC that's it's going to have to happen that I think because it doesn't happen here then we're going to be waiting another year and by that point it's going to be so mature elsewhere that there won't be any point anything anymore at least how I see it no I completely agree well and I'll never I'll never count Apple out for what for whatever reason they have developed a corporate culture a corporate ethic which communicates to consumers very easily that it's okay if they're not right on the pulse that they can be like Apple is allowed to be late to the market in ways that no other company would ever be allowed to do it's okay if we're not first cuz we'll just say we were anyway I am and will will will do it better I can't wait for the people who are out there claiming that Motorola copied apple and getting rid of the the headphone jack you know like it might know it's coming someone's gonna make that comment what everybody has along too yeah I mean like the notion that we're not all influenced by design and stuff but I was like I was wearing an a Suzanne watch before the Apple watch came out and if you're like all these android copy cats are like but not know I oh no Bad Monkey and so there is potentially word that we might be seeing watch os3 coming out from Apple I what do we think that we're going to see an Apple watch too sometime this year do we think that this is just going to be software optimizations for the product that's already out on the market well if we see an Apple watch too i don't think it'll be at WWDC that's all separately pur that's typically more of a software type cadet although I am I crazy or did they release the new macbook last year at WWDC the 12 inch with the one port I wanna tell you don't remember that might it might have been a WWDC and someone in our in our QA or comments will hopefully school us on this as we've stumbled our way through release dates on fri make honestly the number of Apple of events that they have every year has increased by Allah by a pretty big number a used to be just like a couple every year and now it's like they're having then every almost every other month it seems like but so I mean if there's going to be any hardware there I think it's going to be more of the macbook / imac type territory you know new imacs new macbooks that type of thing I we're definitely not going to see the iphone 7 absolutely not we're definitely not going to see any type of ipad so from from our in in pocket now's wheelhouse the stuff that we're going to be seeing a software yeah well venture was released in a March event I think I was okay sorry like the iPhone se Oh got you got you yeah that kind of makes sense actually now that you say that that does actually but I I totally agree though there Adam because I think where we see apples growth opportunities have been on services so I holy expect that we're going to be hearing word on updates to Apple pay probably won't be anything revolutionary Lee exciting but you know opening up new markets you know new business deals probably new relationships with banks and credit card suppliers and and then um maybe even potentially some some word on updates to Apple music like we can a kind of improve on that platform to because that's still a very competitive market when the apples doing well in I mean you have a you know an easy way to get users of iphones on to that service but you know I think you have a long ways to go before you can kind of combat the mindshare that services like Spotify have in that space with music fans another 20 minutes of trent reznor talking that'll be great Oh what musical act will we see this year I wonder oh good call someone drop us a comment below what musical act do you think we'll see a WWDC this year I'm going to say kings of leon that's my guess I got I got nothing because the most the most recent music that I listen to is probably like I don't know what Billy Joel oh I was so lovely I'm not that bad um I would kill to see like a young agent Billy Joel like rock up with like a new york state of mine or piano man at the end of the mom as piano man that's right I love it hey mr. cook I'm the iphone man I could work we get this question a lot and I'm trying to find it again from Joel GJ we don't get it a lot from Joel GJ we just got this questionable haha this coming from the QA is Apple innovation slowing down since the death of jobs jobs was strict on Apple's sticking to exclusivity do we think that opening up the the market for Apple services is a sign of innovation slowing down I actually kind of go the other way with this I think that Apple is trying a lot more ever since Steve Jobs unfortunately left us yeah I think apples branching out more I think they're responding to the market a lot more yeah absolutely is in charge um and which I mean you know they both have their their solid arguments you know for you know sticking with you know what you want to give the consumer versus what the market is dictating but yeah I gotta go the other way on that one I got to think that Apple has become actually more not so much innovative but just more expansive since uh since Steve Jobs passed away no I I'd agree with that I think I think what we've been seeing is a company I I say you know I i think they are more apt to respond to market trends than then jobs ever would have let them like I think Jobs was probably a bit more dictatorial and this is what we're focusing on and this is how will execute I think that's come at the expense of some of the product lines like the mac pro I you know I really wish we would see an apple that would be a bit more competitive in markets for professionals like that kind of hardware even though I know that that's like that that's that's sort of a a dying market there are still solutions like I need a workstation to get this done and I kind of have very specific requirements for how that things put together well I pro you could just get 9.7 inch tablet right there you go is like I love coming back because uh for our iPad pro 9.7 review we did a challenge can can I shoot and edit an iPad pro review on an iPad pro and I got really close to finish but I only had to fundamentally change everything about how I shoot and edit video but I almost managed to finish that video I so stay with that you know I I think you know the service is what you're saying like opening up OS so that iOS can I can tackle some of these challenges this is going to be a good year for Apple to focus on those types of solutions and those types of services so that consumers will will be more likely to lean on iOS for that kind of work and I think it's a great opportunity for them to if they can execute on it well right hmm so um I had one more Q&A that I wanted to get your guys thoughts on and then we'll knock out a couple quick viewer males this one comes from Zane Wynter do you think it's smart for manufacturers to sell cell phones in carrier stores or just sell them in their own store like the one plus and Motorola a lot of people won't buy phones out right because of the costs up front what do you think Adam do you think that we're starting to uh to our consumer starting to look at buying phones unlocked we're seeing a lot of traction on phone sales on Amazon B&H things like that has the carrier dom is the carrier dominance starting to erode i hope so because that's kind of where we need to be we need to start retraining consumers is in that these phones actually do cost you know between 25 and seven hundred dollars and also I think by doing that we're also giving a much better a much easier time to mid-range phones which are actually becoming really good these days so people are starting to realize that you know these phones that cost six seven hundred eighty six seven hundred dollars you can get a similar value for significantly less so that's opening up the floor for a lot more competition in the in the mid-range space which is also driving innovation in the in the flagship space as well because the flagships have to do that much more yeah to get people interested so is it a good idea yes I I mean I is it is it a good thing yes is that a good idea I don't know yeah oh the jury's still out on that one oh yes it is a very good thing up there that that they're doing it and I think the carriers are starting to realize that these these contracts are their days are numbered I don't think it'll be long before we find you know all major carriers completely dropping contracts and just going with these dyes file button and most of them have already sort of dried up I i think what what carriers weren't prepared for is once consumers are empowered to understand how much these things cost with these new payment plans it's like a zero interest loan essentially but you pay like 20 bucks a month or 30 bucks a month depending on how expensive your phone was once that phones paid off consumers are far more inclined to stick with that phone for longer than if they were on a two-year contract right that's what I think you know the the big players in this market weren't prepared for everything a lot more of these like trading deals you know leasing programs you can do that's your stuff like that I wonder what that's going to mean for those fast upgrade programs like the 18 next and the verizon is it well that's it what I that's that's I think eventually we're just gonna call those leasing just like you would own a car or lease a car yeah just leasing your phone every year you've put so many miles on your phone you trade it in for a newer model and then you're still just paying but you'll never own it which was actually you're like payment programs like once you pay it off and your bill drops by 30 bucks a month I don't know I mean people are inclined to like just kind of hang out for thirty bucks yeah yeah now that's that's a mean I think that's actually an interesting I would like a phone leasing program you know just paid X amount of dollars and you know every whatever how many of our many times a year you get a upgrade or you get to replace your phone which you dropped and broke or whatever right I'm paying more than ever with without a contract than with I'll just say that yeah well and in the math on that gets really tricky too because the initial plans look like one thing and then become something else once you add oh my it looks a successfully yeah oh show us listener mails here real quick I've got unicorn workhorse up first he says hey pocket dear pocket bros hey unicorn workout workhorse okay talk / crap he says let's face it android ads as in ads for the operating operating system totally suck if i were a customer and saw this ad it would expose me to the exists exists in some android and that's all people aren't going to get an android phone because of now on tap or android pay we buy android phones because of the customizable interface and options which brings me to my question how can google advertise things like launchers and skins or show how there is a plethora of hardware options will this deteriorate the Nexus campaign does Google even consider launchers a part of androids goodness um with love a unicorn work 10 you have to you have to include that line come on say it no II together at the same now by the way android is BAE oh yeah I was gonna help him preserve some dignity a lot of the a lot of the Android commercials that are out there right now are kind of pushing this there the tagline is be together not the same so I think that actually is kind of pointing to the edge of the the idea that you can make an android phone your own now they're not they're not specifically focusing on skins or on lon chargers or any back yeah it's specifically on devices because I redid you I also means a commercial with it now on the same key and it's yeah yeah that's what I'm that's what I'm talking about but at the same time I think we need to take a step back and realize that the the fact that people buy android phones because of the customer a customizable interface and options it's kind of a myth the rates and people buy android is because of samsung yes I mean let's just be a let's just be completely atmosphere you know the reason that people are buying the reason that Android is so dominant in the market is because of Samsung and and be also the reason a lot of peep it I can talk really i can so your vocal issues came at the beginning I'm going to round out the end eyebrow drop it off on all you guys and that's yeah crazy drive excited out loud so i think android is also the not my phone alternative yeah so you know it's like I don't want and I know I don't want an iphone so which android phone should I get um and it's long been that so maybe at first Android was highly customizable and we can route our phone and we can do everything we want to it and you know all that other fun stuff but i honestly think today that android is just as mainstream and it's and has just as many users who don't care about customizing as those users that want to tweak everything that android a lot so i definitely agree because i think we're seeing a lot of that traction on especially on advertising coming directly from google is trying to appeal to that emotional side of the purchasing decision it's it's less focused on trying to appeal to us text and geeks can i already have us you know they don't really need to advertise to us but you know that really cute commercial with the paper rock scissors kids you know working together and they're a team but they're not the same and they come from different places you know like that's an emotional appeal to the consumer base that isn't already it's also a shot at apple i mean let's be honest yeah it's also a major shot at apple but anything I could say is that they should be helping co-branding some advertisements with some of the smaller wheels because they're not making money on Android and most of them are not then well they may want to just you know run away or find something else and I'm just so they have to stop being the Samsung train and start being well the HTC LG string of letters put right here right but that being said I think it's important unicorn workers that we that we emphasize that Google isn't necessarily advertising to you we we've got you so what Google is and this is probably why you think the ads suck is because they're not geared towards you maybe they could be maybe they should be but right now Google is trying to entice other you know the same customers to be together but not the same they're trying to you know pull over some iphone folks over into the android so we're running a little longer than i expected this show to lasso unfortunately the email from Haneke oh i'll write you a reply honey go but we won't be able to get to it on the air and i just want to mention real quickly Panzers e in the QA thanks Kenny G should be performing at the end of WWDC yes 12 list a reply he wins and that's who's going to be at WWDC and that you only have yourself to blame for not writing in the QA who else should be performing so as guys move soft jazz I'll write the folks that's another episode of the pocket now weekly has come and gone the show is ending but the conversation 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