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we are going to sit around and talk about the Lumia 1020 which is probably what it's going to be called not the EOS because that would be kind of a lame name we're talking about the best Windows Phone yet with a camera that we saw in the PureView 808 which arguably if you ask Tony takes the best pictures of any device on the planet or at least any smartphone and so Tony phone it's the Tony phone it's it's it's perfect it's like perfect validation for Tony's theory that the 808 PureView is the megaphone of all phones so we are here with a bunch of guys here we're here with Adam yo Tony's there and the 808 is here too hi May we should do a wave as we hey Michael hello everybody I have the junior Lumia with me the junior luo yin and Taylor Ricky Martin yes would that be morning my name is Ricky and Sarah Staley Rick Taylor regular that would be awful just terrible I'm a big fan of Ricky Martin come on Taylor do you prefer being referred to as Taylor Swift or Ricky Martin haha there's no lesser those two people hello Martin splits time between awful nicknames you add la barca come on man well there's a both or female anyway so there's or pertaining Charlotte where everybody knows me a state a for whatever reason are you serious hey guys I don't know are you but now so they're going to start in 4.1 minutes that is cool and for those who are just tuning in now we will have a roundtable a live thing where we can abide on things as they happen we're going to watch the event we have somebody on the ground that Elaine is there but i'm gonna let Brandon do the talking yeah so you know this is a really big deal this is going to get Windows Phone back into the higher-end space of smartphones officials right now dominated by the HTC One the iphone 5 the galaxy s4 the only problem with this phone that I see and I'm curious to hear what you guys think about this is that we know it's not going to have a competitive display it's going to have a nice 4.5 inch 720p AMOLED but it's not gonna have a 1080p display is is that a problem or do you think that the 41-megapixel camera were more than make up for that more than make up for you really think that he is amazing i love 1080p smart phones but it's also very it's a luxury item it's not necessary chosen 41 not a big its camera so it was a 41-megapixel is LTE so well here's here's the thing I mean it's not that the 41-megapixel camera is not necessary it's the options that have lost lasoon actually you're never gonna use the 41 megapixels so for me I would love to have a more of a digital digital camera experience with my phone thanks to the 41 megapixels that not have it at all let's let's talk about that lossless zoom because on all smartphone cameras you cannot optically zoom in you can pinch on the screen and it gets blurry as heck and it's disgusting but with me with the PureView 808 and with the Lumia 1020 Tony how does zoom work is it really feel like you can actually zoom in on a picture is it still kind of blurry in digital mmm you can of course zoomin but it's not an optical zoom so because of the sensor is huge like this is the sensor which is the entire 41-megapixel sensor whenever you snap a picture of 5 or 8 megapixels it only uses a small portion of the sensor and the rest is unused so you can zoom in towards the sensors one by one ratio and that's how it achieves you so it's rather neat and you don't see a difference between this type of zoom which not get employees in the PureView technology and optical zoom which is done by several lenses zoom lenses like for instance on the galaxy s4 zoom yeah so so with the normal like like when you're zoomed all the way out you're getting down sampling correct so from 41 megapixels 25 whatever you 85 or three yeah yeah so so when you do that and then when you switch over you're actually just using a small portion of the sensor where's no down sampling at all and what the sensor sees is displayed on the screen and it's it's going to result in the final image you're very interesting well that'll be fun to test you this this camera thing is kind of coming full circle but it because if you guys remember when windows phone 7 series which is the name of Windows Phone when Darth came out when it first came out one of the main tenants of the operating system what it was that it was built around photography Microsoft required that OEMs have a dedicated camera button by the way the event looks to be starting in 38 seconds nokia jingle of course i'm like 10 seconds behind the live feed so europe they always behind the camera software of Windows Phone 7 series was interesting how when you took a picture you could slide backwards to the viewfinder and then of course Android copy that later uh but we never saw like a killer camera to attach to the hardware and the software I mean it's taken a really long time and this this device has been rumored for well over a year and eight yeah let me just say something can you imagine if Stephen E can you imagine if Stephen Elop doesn't host this event again he will he won't yes I was overseas from London for the 925 i was asking everybody is the boss going to be here and they were like well in spirit well that yeah that sucks but he's i'm definitely gonna be here I'm kind of hoping that I Malaga no it's not the Lumia 1020 but it's actually the lumina phone the what vilonia to the lobby it's funny I was debating this with myself last week which is yeah what if the 1020 is the AT&T name and what if the 909 is the international because it would make all the stats gonna be the case 8089 girl yeah do we've got we've got some retrospective happening and some like a back black and white slideshow over the history of photography and very very in relying voiceover happening oh look there's Tony in the photo there we go you know even if Nokia or to make Android hardware and they were to put this camera on an Android device for the 1080p screen they would be kings welcome nokia an android thank God somebody brought it up oh I'm glad I was paying attention to go o.o every thought you said okay an Android okay yes i do agree there it's the most obvious choice in the world everyone wants it especially if this device was a hit and it takes pictures as good as the 808 PureView PureView it's like an it's like they're leaving so much money on the table if they don't make an android version they probably can't contractually but it's such a shame like for the android can't have this nothing I think the android community has enough I think there's enough going on in the android community I don't wait out of here my god it I don't like it because the android community has a fair amount of sameness you could argue the last three or from us there's been some difference but if they came out with a with a 1020 that ran a droid that would be truly different and worth creating let me ask you guys something or ever nothing would be good to ask you for for quick short answers in alphabetical order so Adam Brandon Haim and Michael and Taylor what do you guys think this nakia superphone will mean for nokia and for Microsoft when we lock is on the floor Stephen Elop is on the floor till I think it's it's probably their last chance at being nope honestly if this doesn't take off I don't know what it means for nokia and smartphones on us well Windows Phone as the platform as market share um maybe an extra four percent on a good day ooh alright I think that's fair I mean what this is going to do one of the problems of Windows Phone is that lack of awareness people know Android they know the iphone but windows phone is still like you're not thinking about it and if there are headlines tomorrow that are like 41 megapixel camera even for some people they won't understand what that means that's going to be a headline in the wall street journal tomorrow or even this afternoon and it's going to raise awareness for Windows Phone and so I think it's going to be a nice nice burst for Windows Phone and maybe I you think four or five percent this might be good for I got him said honey I don't know I just I think that it's going to be a great opportunity for nokia we're just going to see the the courage of Windows Phone towards nokia if this phone doesn't succeed we're going to see where the real problem is cuz no kiss pushing the innovation but clearly something is wrong in the Windows Phone turf because they're not growing at the same pace or or justifying I think we're going to know a lot with this phone Michael you're a huge windows film fan I have indeed and I'm sorry I've been splitting my focus with you guys and Steven ella was doing a retrospective on nokia devices now I think I think know for what this will mean for for nokyo if they price it right will be a continuation or an acceleration of this gradual reversal but i don't i'm not confident is going to be priced right it can only mean good things for windows phone this is going to be an epic billboard for the platform hey Michael let me let me ask question before we got a lot on android phone go-ahead run what if we have this device then in a month from now we have the HTC one version for Windows Phone do you think those together will do big things for Windows Phone platform you know i don't know i'm not sure that the HTC the HTC can can make a splash as big as this is going to be i really don't because I love don't get me wrong I like the the one a whole lot but this is gonna be a class by itself you know he used the 808 in Berlin that's why he's talking like that yes pretty good um I'm kind of with Jaime on this and part of the problem here is windows phone itself I'm scheduled to do a video on my thoughts on windows wall tomorrow so basically in a nutshell I think part of Windows Phones problem is the reception of windows 8 upset that before on the podcast a couple times Windows 8 is kind of crash not really yeah nobody really likes it all that much I mean some do but it's a very small percentage of people who actually like Windows 8 so when people see that same exact interface on a phone they're like I don't like this I'm not gonna like that without ever really trying and they are two totally different experiences so with this phone um it might change that but honestly I think windows phone is is the issue um so much as as much hate as I'm going to get for that evening I was positioning the 1020 is the next chapter in mobile phone photography is it is it official do we know that this is the we do not know that the this is the brand name no we're still seeing bits of the device zoomed in on very closely and very inspiring tunes very inspiring tunes definitely i love them i love the footage it looks really nice 152 megapixels breaking yet so we're we're seeing some fanciful renders of the multiple lenses here we're seeing really cool 3d models of stuff spinning around it's almost like Independence Day to again i was out there you know guys what I'm most afraid of I'm afraid of that in one and a half maybe two months this phone will be already obsolete and let me explain why it will it will I think become a piece for museum like my 808 PureView a reference design because the Windows Phone 8.1 update or whatever its name will be will bring high resolution support and there will be phones 1080p phones with more RAM faster processors yeah in the phone so those are different colored tiles yeah but but the thing is independently of that there you have for example at 41 megapixel phone how many 41 megapixels phones exist right now that one to 10 lumia 1020 finally lumia 1020 we attend to enough finally all right well i'm white and black and yellow God has long make today us exclusive for the first thing they should have launched this with Windows 28.1 a 1080p display and then I would blow in well I know right they should have waited for at least we'll listen but what's gonna be hot about 8.1 that anybody knows about what's gonna make it rent is wait a second isn't there 1080p isn't their support for multiple screen resolutions within an eight point 0 up to 7 pull up to 7 768 or 768 yeah so wxga um there-there's rumored to be new chipset support so possibly Snapdragon 600 quad-core Snapdragon 600 and 1080p hmm interesting up and then and that's going to happen in time for the fall as they're really a cycle so I mean this this phone is going to have you know July August September about three or four months probably four months until the new the newer stuff comes out but I'm sure nokia will have like an idiot saying nokia not nakia they're gonna have it what's the correct way nice not yellow you're black we have white we do not have cyan I i predicted that cyan will be an agent e again yeah but and it won't have it in the retail store so i'll have to get it online respect better not be glossy this better be matte finish agreed I could read man how was that that when I was at the 920 event I told him I said if there's one thing you did wrong you made this home glossy you know I don't know why they're promoting this phone in yellow so much I actually like it in yellow it's very actually and having having unboxed 19 20 and yellow the review yet I love that color Adam and in another area but I love it this this phone is a billboard for nokia because of that lens on the back and the contrast with the black and the yellow just makes it's a camera lens look at this thing agreed no wonder if i get like a new low sorry it reminds me of the black and yellow branding like circle I don't like it with really aggressive branding you know you know it's funny it's funny it's funny that the camera lens the the hole is smaller on this 41-megapixel phone in on Tony's Lumia 925 your pimple oh yeah because of the call out yeah I like it when they play tricks like that like HTC One did that where it's like here's this year the lens it's like no it's not the lens is still that big but it's yeah I like that trick oh it we got 4 megapixels right this is 10 times the resolution so the most the most important thing I am curious about I can't wait to find out is how is nakia managing to capture 40 something or 30 something megapixel images with Windows Phone as it is yeah but I was gonna bring up so let me let me just let me finish the question because you don't know what I'm going to ask bert yeah that's Taylor one is Microsoft doing something special for and with Nokia in support for a special build on this phone or is nakia being smart encoding a special camera application which was rumored on top of Windows Phone now there's the question well I have another question to add on that chip set the chipset doesn't support up to 41 megapixels is it you know if it's using us if it's using the the Snapdragon s4 pro it only supports up to me something ok let's try to remember something let's try to remember when the Lumia 900 was announced Windows Phone did not support LTE connectivity and they somehow expanded Windows Phone to be able to support LTE with the Lumia 900 and so most likely what we have here is gdr2 I think that's the code name of the second step for windows phone and it's going to be built specifically to support this phone obviously if nope is the the challenge partner here they're pushing all their guns on this phone and you know independently I think that whatever ddr2 or ddr3 is going to support is going to be included in this film that's they're gonna figure it out I think my only concern is I don't know if you gave you guys hold on what I'm gonna interrupt you it's going available ly 26 for three hundred dollars on AT&T fully hun really country that was the rumor I was saying on Twitter this morning that they were gonna price their 299 on contract which is that story isn't it that enemies like a lysine you Tori hi sorry I'm sorry I'm it bleeds back to you yet that's gonna be cute for like eight hundred dollars unlocked or something like that but still okay okay my biggest concern is remember when windows phone mango was announced you know I think that Windows Phone took decent photographs as an operating system but then I've had to win to win those phones from the original turf and ever since mango was announced the photos look terrible regardless of which phone I used and then when Windows Phone 8 was launched I had the same problem I have a problem getting photographs that are not jagged or I'm sorry not moved it's hard for me to be able to like really focus on a shot and and and get it right so that's like my biggest concern it's not the camera it's the it's the operating system can Windows Phone really handle this cameras my vision I can say es I've been using the 925 now for a month and I like the camera is it your view 8 awake like no is it one of the best cameras on the market yes so that that problem is solved or at least nokia managed to somehow solve it okay we'll see well so we're talking about video at the live event right now Stephen Elop is talking a whole lot about how this device is going to revolutionize mobile video apparently there's so they're showing a video of the 1020 yeah the 1020 1080p in 1080p of like of beekeeping which is fascinating what do you mean that pin doesn't recording 4k video what the yeah and you know you know what show me what what is still 720p wood windows phone you had what's the video a performance like on your 808 in terms of what like I mean is it good in general because we only shot stills I don't remember shooting a video that's good it's good you did you did shoot video the thing is you were drunk but I have it in the bloopers yeah if you like it on me for a second what I was talking about is the s4 um it's max camera support is or the max resolution in the camera is 8 megapixels on the s4 play plus is 20 and the pro is 20 but it doesn't even support the probe windows phone doesn't support the purpose is quite for well that's move yeah so that's what i was asking like how do they do 41 megapixels it's probably only um you're probably max at 20 and you i don't know i don't know how they do that well just ok ok the question is how is that 808 PureView able to support 41 megapixels what processor is it i can tell you from the top of my head i'm sorry it's been a year since i reviewed it but the thing is that it doesn't generate 41 megapixel images it generates 3838 depending on the mode you're shooting in but the i might have an answer for you for this chipset problem maybe maybe the chipset does not support outputting files which are 20 plus megapixels but the raw processing maybe is done by the software itself so one point three gigahertz arm11 I've got a with stephen has been talking stephen elop has been talking about the optimist I like that agree and yeah I know but I think we're starting to learn a little bit about why this thing is 299 I'm contract we don't know the full retail prices yet but I mean the optical image stabilization involves a lot of ball bearings mounted in the bracket along with some piezoelectric motors it sounds like Michael are you trying to say that the Lumia 1020 finally brings a combination between PureView stage 1 and p review stage 2 yes I am in fact yes yes finally and that great I asked plus a 41-megapixel it's every day stop speaking speaking English to me what is pure no stage 1 and stage 2 1 is the beautiful glossy digital zoom the PureView technology which we tailor if you once again interrupt me I'm gonna fly over to the USA and I'm gonna have a conversation with you that sounds like a bus conversation it's gonna be a lot of fun libre sir it's that technology which allows you to use lossless zoom and the down sampling technology PureView stage 2 is low light performance coupled with optical image stabilization the 808 doesn't have that the Lumia a 97 lead us in have stage 1 now finally we'll have the down sampling thing with lossless zoom and optical image stabilization and low-light performance coupled together yes they're comparing motion capture on the galaxy s4 iphone 5 and lumia 1020 and obviously the 10 20 ticks perfectly still pictures while the other ones are blurry in essence that's interesting how could that be that in a notegive and we're gonna have a blurry shot of the Nokia phone come on all right it's almost like this that I you know yeah yeah it's like if we were watching an Okie event right now that's odd interesting inception inception Michael what's hot on them go ahead what's happening at the photo comparison that y'all are talking about is going on I'm 10 seconds behind you guys because apparently I don't know internets you're in boston your do boston it happens yeah they're showing a sure a full-size headshot of a woman holding a tea mug or a tea tea oh and you're able to read the texts and you can read the tag hanging because he's it so yeah it does take up to 38 like the 808 so yeah thanks up to thirty eight megapixels and you can do it in four by three or in sixteen by nine at 38 and 34 right yeah you know probably one of my biggest questions is you know with all this 808 PureView with all this phone how come we've never like really seen a DSLR with 41 megapixel sensors in question well because they have optical zoom to make up for it right yeah you do but not necessarily I mean if you get an 88 pi x what is the what is the see this lettuce type that I have sorry I love this this zoom conversation where you're like yeah you can read it the little tag on a teacup or whatever but what about when you're a great distance away from your subject and you're like let me just take a photo from 400 feet away like that's that's really cool like a gigantic silver ball across a glue gun the reason for huge megapixel count is not to output huge images because we know that even four or five megapixel images can be printed out as posters it's because it's using that huge sensor in order to zoom into it so the whole reason for huge megapixel count is the zoom itself right right right I just find it interesting that nobody's done it on a camera but you have you have the optical zoom for on a human camera you don't need that on if you don't need you only need huge sensor on a phone because you don't have the room unless of course you want to be like Samsung and make a camera phone okay but that's the thing I think that's the point I'm trying to make okay so yeah 20x zoom on the Galaxy camera how much do you have on this 41 megapixel camera Tony so I think up the six depending on the mode you are using because you can choose at least on the 808 from either 85 or 3 megapixel images so if you make a calculation from 40 128 or 25 or two three it's gonna be a zoom up to i think four six and eight something like that interesting i just can I just make the point that stephen alive just called out three of his employees for for being in the sauna in the middle of the day because he was out on a boat taking a photo from them by like a half mile away with the 1020 you fire them what's that no no no no I hear them chuckles and he said they will live in infamy so I guess there they are still employed it was awesome so this Amatil this is just a exciting thing I'm not gonna lie i i'm not a huge windows on fan but I'm kind of like geeking out over this thing me too honestly same here I i we were talking with Tony I mean if the price is right i'd be willing to pay for it doesn't look like the phrases on the new camera software it zooms it it has a camera like a pro camera app or something yeah yes releasing a pro camera app with the Lumia 1020 I want this uh we're good okay we're getting some comments on the post right now and for 482 if you're confused whether to watch the live stream or us please watch us what we're telling you what's on the livestream anyways yeah yeah looks like they have some kind of on the fly rotating and cropping on and yet it's a like what's in the frame will be cropped if you press a so guys the the Lumia 925 which I have here is a built-in with this nokia smart cam application and i'm having problem with the focus there it is it's the night smart camera it's it's a lens and it will come to other Lumia phones to with the amber update now this lumia 1020 will come with a dedicated broke am application so that's going to be interesting hmm and here's what one of one or both of these camera apps include the ability to tell you what shooting mode you're in so that you don't spend all day shooting back like mode the night mode like I always do on all of my nokia phone alena I'm gonna ask like the stupidest blondest question on the planet um how come nobody's ever figured out how to load android on a Windows Phone and then we could probably tinker with this phone kernels yeah I'm gonna show the reason because they talking about that I'll bring you some popcorn butter no it's the wrong because they run the same hardware or they're both capable running the same hardware but you don't have a kernel source for different hardware that company is talk about the pot pie yeah honey yeah I was about to say I mean that the hd2 is able to run just about everything even windows 95 so hey hey why not run this do you have dust under the lens of your iPhone 5 I did on the one that I swapped earlier yes of course he swaps I don't talk the phone so this one doesn't have any dust but i did get dust on the other one that's disgusting why would get dust on it that's a good question man this is a beautiful sapphire lounge it is impossible actually fire a team-high said it's the purity and intense position in this design does not allow for these types of things well what stack I don't know why I'm having a huge deja vu watching this this event here on my left with the with the event I watched in 2012 I think for the nokia 808 it's it's almost the exact same tone and did they do did they do the needle in a haystack Tony not this Shelly but the image is the placement everything seems to be spot-on god it's so it makes sense presentation I would take a devil of a hectic hey you're missing the point hi may like it was like an just waiting for for the the Titanic kid to come out and falling off of boats and dying so what's his name the titanica the he's so dreamy come on work with me here Leonardo are you know okay yeah the Titanic it oh they're talking about an idea bro camera the application which we mentioned earlier and there's also this is exciting mm-hmm and it is a dedicated special camera application so it won't use the windows phone camera application you will be using probably the Nokia application for peer review stuff and the windows phone camera application for simple shots my guess that's cool that's cool that's that's cool I mean I hate people like the windows phone UI for for taking photos I don't I always confuse myself and slide back to the old photos you do yeah oh are you okay that's something my mother would say but it's faster what are they picture of here looks like Luke Skywalker sitting on a flower you taking a picture yeah like a creature in the middle of a flower but what's interesting is I just saw you ha get a little too close to the to the flower and it looks like this thing has the same exact focal length as like the 920 because I've you always try and get it which is which is a lot of one it well it's not bad i mean it's it's it's about on par with anything else but oh they lie the difference is graphing circular like having like exposure control that you can that surrounds it earlier where we seen that recently on all samsung camera thing yeah you know what but samsung puts on like you know the physical stuff like that you know the the skeuomorphism with the rings and the physical thing i think this is all very you know is translucent you ILM's that look better I think I it's a mate it's really a good idea that they're doing like this live demo because this guy who's playing with the camera obviously is an engineer who like built the software and it's just seeing seeing it in front of you know not notes glitzy video it seeming persons I can't believe you can change the focus on the fly that's awesome I manually changing focus with the software right now oh like well actually they were doing that 10 seconds ago no that's amazing I think that's the first time I've seen that with on a smartphone maybe I don't pay attention here no you're right i haven't seen that either there's an app i use on the iphone that does it but it does it very poorly all right yeah i have to actually have to jump off but it was cool hanging out i didn't expect to be here but we love a good luck man send our hearts to the newest minimun will do to make your man good luck you will soon man you'll still fight over whomever gets to review the 1020 we always that's been decided already yeah right alright what my mom's that list hi man welcome to the bottle washers club our that's like painting with it with some for second exposure always dad what's going on trippy hesitant about defensive that's interesting because the longest exposure time on the 808 PureView is 3.1 or three-point-something second so they must have ah they rode out 1020 that dies how cute I of course we can recording is in with the new microphones which is always good I'm not sure whether you find good use of it or not see what they should have written out was you know you want this but anyway so that's more than four seconds exposure time I don't know I do want this phone I i was asking this question on on park on a daily two days ago and i got like 300 comments of people that were like okay this phone is all that i'd be willing to pay forward and I I think that that that speaks highly of what to expect for this device hopefully look we get some narrow doing none of your recording the video demo right now yeah oh yes hey how is audio on that 808 PureView tony was recording video it's good i think the 808 PureView had the first the first was the first nokia phone with bridge recording so it was good you can literally stay 10 feet away from from a I don't know stage where we're at band is playing a concert and it will not be distorted at all so what what you hear the camera here's and that's what he'll hear back from the recording but it's not i'm not sure how many times now here you will be in a situation where you take advantage of that mmm now it's it's stereo audio or or Ramona oh it's burial yeah it's the real really yeah but it's only it's only one microphone meaning if you're panning around like it doesn't it's not like three microphones yeah yeah but do you hear it do you hear that difference as you move the camera around yeah but if I had my fingers like this then you absolutely hear this the stereo effect really yep interesting that is sexy now dealer a so we've got nokia smart camera we've got creative studio we've got panorama and we've got photo beamer what the hell is photo Beemer Beemer is that that not getting which allows you to send upload an image online and share it like that to some with somebody else dealer you're not a huge win this it's really easy it wouldn't you establish the link between the phone and whatever browser you're using you just swipe on the phone and it immediately mirrors it's like display mirroring for photos it's actually really awesome oh it like generates a QR code in your web browser you take a picture of it and that's how it links and then just boom race salute you are not a huge windows phone fan would the Lumia 1020 be enough for you to consider having a windows phone as your daily driver that's uh that's a tough question they're thinking about it and I'm thinking about how am I going to do google hangouts on there because I use a lot of Google Hangouts that's how I'll talk about the most of my friends now um and google voice which I could get but I mean there are a lot of different things that the windows phone doesn't have and I'm back to carrying two phones what would ultimately happen is probably I would I use my iphone basically for a camera so I probably get rid of it and get the 10 20 and carry like the note 2 in the 1020 so is the iphone that suffer out yeah it would replace the iphone for me i think is there's not much i do with the iphone other than take pictures Michael fill us in what's happening we're seeing the demo of the Nokia here sweet just basically the position for his transition from talking about the camera to talking about the ecosystem I think we have 165,000 apps on the Windows Store now and but we're talking about kind of augmented reality in the here suite and it looks just as kind of clumsy as ever it's pretty but I don't know augmented reality has has yet to help me out in a real world situation I remember being very excited about it like five years ago and now I'm like yeah what city lens hey look there's a mcdonalds if I turn this way oh wow yeah if I walk straight through this building i remember be no show i remember being so excited about that city lens feature for for the Lumia when it was an out like a year ago or two and then I noticed that Yelp had been doing that for a while already so oh well I don't see it is there it is nice there is a gliding sure that every much it works offline like that's that's a that's a pretty pretty solid features have been it Stephen Elop is announcing something all of the your features are coming to all Lumias and we knew that yeah that's okay or or Lumias didn't they did negotiate to all windows phones period yeah I thought I thought here I was about to say all the hair sweet exists yeah the new SDK for image sensing developers ah so they are back to the Yammer image so they will be opening up probably some API so third-party applications can can utilize the PureView camera through yep nokia smart camera broke camp and not through the standard Windows Phone 8 camera application yeah with it not possible imaging it yet and then you go through the typical chicken or the egg problem of there not being enough Lumia 1020's in the market for developers to be interested yeah you got a blah I don't know I don't know I don't I don't think that's gonna be as much of a much of a problem here I think you're gonna see a nokia or Microsoft incentivize developers to build some really some pretty cool stuff yeah CNN is is already like co-writing this yeah they're gonna line them up on the screen here of course I'm Way behind you there Durkin they come on Michael they've been incentivizing developers ever since the inception of Windows Phone 7 and hasn't taken off what are you deliver giving away I don't know I don't know what my form you're using when you say these things if you're talking about blackberry I get you because there's nothing I'm like oh man I can't find anything I'm looking for and then like our bus which over the windows phone I'm like oh wow Hey look I can do almost anything I want to do is it an iphone now but it there's enough there well there's a lot of stuff that I need on a daily basis that windows phone doesn't have as well just say probably son my google bubble I agree with you but I don't like I can if I can do that so that's but that's the thing I mean in pocket now we're pretty much stuck within the Google bubble as of our work I have our work routine so if I problems wrongly against it no I like it I i was i was always strongly pro it now that that is true would you i read that editorial right i want them windows from that gets along with google's back end but man i'll put up with it for some of this especially for the device like this i will inconvenience myself and I wonder if I'm alone I don't think I had that's what I carry two phones I I guess the biggest problem Michael is this windows phone is three years old and we were having you remember we wrote this editorial a couple of days ago I forget the name of it but there's somebody made this compelling comment about the fact that when those phone is now five percent of the market share the problem is that iOS is thirty-eight percent and then Android a 60 something percent and so you have you have the problem where you're like okay if windows phone has barely grasped five percent of the market in three years how long would it take Windows Phone to reach a 20-percent principe compelling another six years know if you're building the share on on a like consistent ramp than yes but if you take into account the increased the accelerated growth that has been evidenced recently in markets outside of America uh it's not going to take that long and listen I'm not intriguing overall shared necessarily as a consumer right I just want to write this in Urdu to death it's also a marathon it's not a sprint I mean it's not like we it's not like Windows Phone has to be twenty percent tomorrow if it's not 60 gonna get it takes six years I mean okay but the problem with that is that developers keep using that excuse to not adopt it that's the price watching this which young The Ugly Kid battery cover which ex as he probably what a wireless charging thingy just like on the Lumia 925 oh god no please yeah I mean I like say no I won't get that had that yet I feel like they had enough room in though no that's the camera grip nice see that no it's just what I want you know look at that it's a wireless charging show oh but it's also a spare battery and it's also a camera grip that looks like it you know you got a phone that's so big you need to bubble up back anyway just flatten out the back and put in a freaking wireless charging coil why is this hard completely an exit you if you can fit wireless charging in the nexus 4 you should be able to fit wireless charging in that phone agreed so guys I have a question I don't know why but I actually like this I actually like the fact that I if I don't need wireless charging which almost probably never use I don't you know I I'd rather not have the extra bulk that's me excuse me I'll throw up in my mouth a little bit yes here's that looks so incredibly frustrating cuz they're just gimping that feature that when when it was announced on the nine tony was was one of those awesome set off so it was like look here's something cool and futuristic and yeah it was going to be a tough sell to people and not everyone's gonna care about it but at least it's something that's integrated you don't have to think about it now this is like I have to get a shell if you could put this thing on a sled the pan I don't know about you guys but out of the AT&T store with a wireless charging plate I mean I don't know why this is a hard thing that's not hard to set if you if you if you include the wireless charging plate which a teensy did ralph de la vega's on stage and i just want to hear that this phone is not exclusive to AT&T please please I'll be nice yes please Michael are you listening what is he saying I'm listening but he's not even on stage yet in my in my world I'm listening okay please please do not make for Michael gets it on please I beg you I beg you not exclusive phone nobody's gonna be able to take this I'm not gonna be waiting until next year to get this phone come on it's so funny how different ralph de la Vega sounds than Steven ela like they have like the most opposing voices ever it's so fun this yeah yeah please come on do not make this a phone don't come on come on not an exclusive phone not our spending at all good I think it's gonna be I really liked the camera group though it's a good idea really like the camera throwing some real Tim battery and a shutter button and a tripod mount yeah I like it that for me that's like an accessory that I would buy a AT&T is super excited to be the exclusive US carrier for the 1020 yo oh gosh most of us carrier hang us carrier but it doesn't matter there's two exclusive yeah it still hasn't learned that being an exclusive is awful was that I realized you analyze this for a second what other options do they have because if they over Eisen and sprint they have to change the entire internal so the other option would be just tmobile and that just not viable enough oh yeah only they could help that is never with wait a second at all you know one of the time we have the same chipset on the galaxy s4 and on the galaxy note 2 then on the CDMA there and it's pretty much the same phone I think the technology has evolved to the point where you can match two things on the same device yeah but no I don't think that with there's more to it windows phone has tricked hardware requirements both for chipsets and for everything else but the haylor we're gonna say something yeah i was gonna point out the iphone 5 has exact same specs on both ends its exact same phone one running seed nikon run oh no it's actually three different units the only one that's actually the same device is the iphone for us true but don't forget guys that both on the iphone and on samsung phones they are using custom built chips and you can't do that on windows phone because windows phone has hardware requirements for OEMs for standardization across flat across the devices and OEMs right but we've seen that it's possible to make effectively the same device like in the Lumia 920 in the 928 across a little bit yeah the Lumia 928 is a device that will give you I think does it give you LT on AT&T Michael oh yeah I can pop an AT&T sim in there and it works fine yeah yeah yeah but do you get LTE or is it just hspa+ you get it yeah LT see is that it is possible it is completely possible this is just a damaged lucem deal worried right yeah AT&T is just pouring money on this and Nokia's bleeding for money right now but here's the thing I that may be it also there was that talk that we've had a couple times about when we complained about the 920 being an AT&T exclusive and there was some talk that we'd never were able to really verify that the 920 was a rider on the 900 contract like when Nokia signed up with AT&T they were like this includes the 920 as well so I wonder I do wonder if this is some kind of secret exclusivity deal that was signed like two years when the world was different I don't know well whenever whenever Microsoft and nakia shook hands back two years ago or three was it I think two years ago there was this entire huge buzz when Windows launched and Microsoft put it out with huge bold letters that AT&T is the premier carrier for Windows stone and ever so okay ever since came it app we lost timing probably one of the things that pissed me off the most about this whole AT&T exclusivity as the launch partner for windows phone 7 is how many retailers would you go into an AT&T store three years ago and would tell you buy a windows phone nobody was doing that but it didn't either they didn't even have active units in the stores man they had dummy units that was like the stupidest launch strategy that Microsoft could have ever conceived and it's happening right now again this is anybody oh these people don't get it they don't get it competitors will be available in pre-ordering on AT&T you can do it on July sixteenth it'll be available this quarter for China Europe and Latin America listening mmmm this quarter all right so we got like two months that's that's as far as end of September well q3 just begun so that's like yeah the coming weeks they're doubling down I'm not going to review this after all uh 380 with the grip package 30 so it's an acadia occasion I cute a dollar on it listen IOSCO go and Taylor said grip package yeah any word on the no contract price nothing I can ask nothing in I can ask someone hold on yeah ask that someone please I look if she just sent me an email okay I should just send me an email too what's the deal here no okay so they are starting Q&A right now for any man 20 ladies it's matt black really wear yellow it's matt finish none not shiny 00 yellows the mess options well it's awesome ok I think that's like the first yellow phone that I'll ever buy seriously I think this is why don't they have the Scion out as you want it well why do you have a wide alluvion yes i have a white lumia 920 come i didn't want the white when i bought it because they only had the white ones in the retail stores a white or red or black and I was like well I'll go for the least ugly one that one's mad all right sir it's not mad no the white is on piano white yeah piano what if I don't hey right now they're having it they're having a Q&A session at the event and it's you know the live stream is actually a little bit slow i guess this pretty much I guess the event is over pretty much I mean before we wrap it up either Taylor or Michael or anybody else do we have a rundown of the full spec list the official spec list because back in the rumor days or the rumor hours I think I think that's Stephen already posted it on I'm looking for it right now can we do a recap of all those just to see exactly the official wording and what what this phone is all about aside from the camera yeah you guys have the press release Taylor yeah I'm filtering is right now but it's just all scattered everywhere we got 4.5 inch amoled puremotion hd+ at 1280 by 768 16 by 9 Rilla glass three hey 0 and 0 guys first Windows Phone to include AT&T locker how about that oh wow yeah wow what a cool oh let's see what else do that and then we got along there's the camera stuff impressive imaging capabilities obviously a 1080p video 30 frames per seconds six times closer with the lossless zoom and 720p resolution 720 @ 7 20 yeah what are the storage options i mean you know one of the things that this camera thing the camera accessory is nesting is expandable storage he didn't really put up an amazing way that's a solid point and that's that's amazing I mean if they would have added that camera hump I would have been perfect now this would have been the perfect phone I mean how many photos can you actually take it thirty eight megapixels with what the typical storage that you get right now not not too much I'm telling you those images are as high as 10 15 Meg's so yeah I just hope this is what 32 gigs what it's definitely got to be at least 32 I mean I wish it right he says 32 gigs of built-in storage thank you okay all right I just dropped a link in the chat I drop okay drop the case here you'll be able to carry you want to check out what we're looking at it 18 t.com / lumia 1020 for anybody ATT / okay so how do gourd how do we feel about this how do we feel about this guy's Taylor what are you thinking what's on your mind right now I'm actually okay so I I was swooning over the Lumia 900 I couldn't wait to get it and that was probably one of the biggest letdowns I've ever had my entire life ever I didn't like it it was pretty awful and the camera was terrible because the software problems that had but I'm really kind of I wanted to try an 808 and I never really got the chance I've never touched one so I can't wait to see this I will probably buy this and try to use it as my personal device um supplementing with Android but other than that yeah price aside i'll probably still buy it mr. Fisher was on your mind you know I I'm gonna sound like a like a real jerk for saying this and I'm gonna get this thing all right I there's no question I can see myself taking awesome pictures with this despite my status as an amateur photographer I really really am excited about it still but guys I'm bent out of shape about this blue thing I know it's stupid to be annoyed what about the phone knocking off and wait we got we're nokia right he started the whole colorized revolution like don't you have a little bit of a responsibility to like continue it because we saw the 920 launch in five different flavors and I was excited there's not a cool tone in this lineup I don't like my electronics and warm tones red and yellow I don't get it i do ketchup and mustard fine else another my technology I want blue you know I even mean I don't care uh whatever i'll settle for the white one if they don't give us a sign but i am really annoyed about this come back to me from well if you remember that the the Lumia 920 what was it launched in cyan initially it took about a month for the phone to be like and then it was online only that's why I have the white one so I agree I mean you're right there could be but I'm not gonna wait right I'm gonna get it on launch day so what I need to see okay tell you what III get it review it get it in wipe reviewed and then ship it to me okay all right mr. Adam bad what's on your mind you have that shiny yellow Lumia 920 I do have a shiny yellow Lumia 920 ah it's it's a it looks like a great camera um and you know I obviously I use the phone as a daily driver so you know that's not an issue for me um it looked i don't i meet the you know like i said in a piece just recently I have a mortgage i'm not sure i have an extra three hundred dollars to drop on a phone right now but it's definitely it's definitely on the Christmas list if nothing else so yeah daddy wants so i got no contract pricing yay 699 Oh much what is it 659 for no contract 659 that's that's acceptable wait you double the price I don't come on track cool it's a me at heine agree that this is acceptable you see prices for all off absolutely oh my god the iphone a 16 gig iphone 5 or 6 56 59 is a reasonable price 649 very reasonable price absolutely i can if i can jump in a guy from mashable just asked a question about why they didn't include wireless charging without the attachment Stephen Elop kind of gave a can't answer that says they're very still I committed to what I was charging but he gave the space constraints not excuse but excellent explanation so that's very honest that's an exit but he did finish up on the point that they still are going to be including wireless charging in some form okay okay okay okay let me let me show you the difference between why was charging and not on wireless charging right now I don't just yet in this place the phone on a big pad is no okay you don't get it oh go join the trolls and a comment I know you don't get it no no I don't know here's my job let me show you don't just okay girl have shows good jokes you you have to place it on it on a big pad for it to charge right so all you have to do is leave that wireless charging accessory on top of the pad and then you come with the phone you snap it in and they kept it out way or no really yeah you're right yeah super glue accessibly right to the pad yeah I don't let it doesn't claim that you know that's not at all I great stock right that's not at all like I'm pink no no come on I'm so I'm so I don't care about wireless charging now look at Tony Tony you were not you and I don't care about it we knew that that thing was never gonna take of it's a cool thing I would love it in my car I'd love to go into my car and just put the phone in the mid pad and have it charged but just just the fact that I have to carry a wireless accessory that's the size of my freakin microphone just makes it just makes it pointless for me that's me so I I don't mind would you mind if I kind of shift the conversation real quickly and bring up something I don't think we've talked about yet I'm just looking at the official spec sheet at on nokia's site here and anybody want to take a stab at the weight of this thing I think it's about what it is it's a hundred it's a hundred and fifty eight grams yeah that's not bad at all man I mean that like the Lumia 920 was 185 grams and that was a tank you know why Michael yeah well both a wireless charger there's no wireless charger right get serious know what tonight because I think Nokia screwed up big time they included the same two thousand million power battery as they included in the 920 on the 925 on the 920 and this camera will suck on that battery big time did you get the camera grip on the line powers yeah it is two thousand million pairs the three point eight volts it's the same internals as all the other looky Lumia nine something school has they definitely didn't talk about that yeah yeah rush over that one I have two points to make their the wireless charging adapter is eighty dollars I believe yeah yeah even though we have you get a spare banner you get a spare battery no that was an immigrant I don't know the price of the photon no it's the same thing that thing is a wireless charger it's a camera grip and it's a battery right but i think that was separate wireless charger there's a separate one that's just a wireless charging slide yeah there's two heads but you can do is charging on the s4 by what a ten-dollar add-on accessory or five dollars earn five dollars and convert a different mic that's a big difference michael taylor i have a question for you guys a good question because i know a great great thing on the 808 PureView is the ND filter does the 1020 have the ND filter in the specs or in the press release or anywhere else because it's super super useful and bright sunny outdoors did you take devan CMD and the Yandy fielder it is a signal from birdies in delta now it's just November Delta Brian uh no III didn't say I having say that neutral neutral density filter it's basically sunglasses for your camera whenever okay that whenever the light is too bright it automatically on the 808 snaps out that that darkening filter and you get so it looks like a couple sites have posted posted some rumors that the camera will include an ND filter yes but there's I'm not seeing any confirmation on that from a legit site the camera is the same as the one on the 808 it should have the ND filter yeah gsmarena is reporting that it has an ND filter good good good no i have nokia spec sheet but yeah yeah well let me country music right our then I believe the event is over the event is over the event is over on Tony what what are your thoughts on this phone are you getting it I am definitely getting it and I am going to get it as a replacement for my good old 808 PureView I I'm getting it because i'm a geek of camera phones but i think and people are going to hate on me for saying this that the lumia 1020 will mean nothing for nokia will mean nothing for AT&T and will mean nothing for windows phone because it addresses a very very small portion of the market a niche audience target audience which are us the geeks or the prosumer camera users so I think it's gonna be a group of concept phone like the 808 PureView some of us will have it but it will be far from being the best selling Lumia out there I'll just rig I i I'm gonna disagree as well I'm gonna disagree as well I mean I'm right now okay let me put let me point this to you the only reason why i have an iphone 5 meaning why is the iphone 5 so big for me in comparison to other phones is because i like the camera honestly uh and for me I think that like Taylor was saying right now if we are used to carrying two phones than the Lumia 1020 is gonna be a good device to carry as your camera phone aka personal phone and then we just use any other android phone our work yes I agree with your disagreement but you are a geek I bet your wife my girlfriend or Michael's girlfriend or whomever wife or girlfriend doesn't really know the difference between an eight megapixel camera on the Lumia 925 or 920 and a 41 megapixel camera on a 1020 why do I need that you can't go wrong my my girlfriend would know the difference but yeah yeah you know license that Apple made such a big you know made such a big meteor trials because they showed consumers what they wanted before consumers know they knew they wanted it so this is the first this is the well okay that first phone but it's the set it's the first phone that has a chance of being popular to have this 41 mega thing camera with this lossless zoom so you start showing soccer moms that you can take a picture of your kids scoring a goal from 400 feet away with no more leverage point nobler nobler exactly with nope okay okay I'll talk outside I'll tell you this I would agree with you Tony of this phone costs thousand dollars but the fact that this phone costs exactly the same as a galaxy note 2 and exactly the same as an iphone 5 off contract is clearly pointing out that this is not a niche device or at least oak is not seeing it that way they're trying to turn a neat feature into something that's mainstream and I think that it is a solid point I think that they're doing a great job I you know I do have concerns over the battery life I do have concerns over the AT&T exclusivity but to be honest with you I am phone hi this is like the first Windows Phone that I'm like yes I want it I want this thing a more example for me I was go ahead good I was just about this American friends correct me if I'm wrong three hundred dollars on any AT&T contract isn't this about the most expensive phone on AT&T lineup yes absolutely after all so it's right up there with the note 2 i'm no tears there's your niche price yeah okay Tony what the adonian Tony the Cybermen what if you want a 32 gig iphone 5 it's $300 great if you want to go to doctors yeah it's not a dollar so i think that the price is right i think that their pricing it not too aggressively to not have that you know focal point of this is a cheap phone and not too not too expensive to be like okay no i'd rather buy an iphone i think that they are pricing it right i doing feel that that well I'm sorry one thing that does guarantee mean though is the three hundred dollar price point is above the 32 gigabyte s4 and above the HTC one yeah and by a hundred dollars so hope there is that I'm sorry I'm sorry can you really compare the camera on the s4 with this thing absolutely I'm saying no when you compare the s4 to the Nokia Lumia night 1020 I mean that's you know your what your if you if you're if you're exclusively looking at can no there's no shot but if you're looking at complete ecosystem the s4 is a very compelling and so is the HTC One both very compelling devices for fifty and a hundred dollars less yes but years off you go ahead go ahead Taylor most smartphone buyers here in America especially the soccer moms the people who aren't geeks not prosumers are looking for the best phone for the best price not necessarily just the best phone they're looking for a deal they're looking for the s4 they're looking for the s3 even as you're saying sorry they're looking for something that's great that has a great camera but nothing doesn't necessarily have to be the best thing on the market there are very few people out there who were like I need the absolute best right now that's the progress Nokia's biggest problem right now is showing people why they need of lossless zoom camera so if they can do that if they can do that effectively then maybe they can move some of these things yeah if I tell someone hey this phone has a lossless suit camera they're like what does that mean my camera zooms they don't care that when they zoom in that it looks like crap they do it anyway good time for your rating is not the entire event and all I've been hearing from from some of the screen shots which I'm seeing here in pictures is is about talk about the lossless zoom did they ever at the event drop anything about the down sampling technology I mean if what if I don't want to use you what if I would it out sample images did they gather better briefly they do but but you know just you just touched on it you know I think they were really focused on showing the product of the of the camera not the technology behind it but yeah I talked about that right early on when he the same time in the same breath is talking about the 34 and 38 megapixel full res shots yeah I talked about the seven pixel doubling or whatever it is seven to one is that what it is it depends on resolution yet right yeah yeah so mark out I'm gonna ask you a quick I'm gonna ask you a quick question Michael um for example you've pretty much reviewed almost every one of the phones that have been launched this year um I would you agree with me that the s4 would be nothing without all the marketing push that it has I mean you compared it to the one uh and and now comparing it to this 10 20 I mean if you didn't have all the marketing push that you see from Samsung would you Michael Fisher be compelled to get one or would you be like know that 1020 is a good option what is on what is on your mind I think I need to make the make the risky point that it would not be compelling to me even with all the marketing push behind it the s4 is just not a not a compelling device to me personally but no at the s4 is building on a on a on a dynasty that Samsung is made is built around this galaxy title so yeah no I think it's riding on the coattails of previous successes a bit yeah but you know I that's certainly I mean that's a really really difficult juggernaut for anyone to take on and we're seeing that and everyone else's you know struggles as they try and match samsung but do we think are you are you asking in the context of like the 10 1020 vs the s4 like how they're gonna yeah I do you think that you think that the 1020 stands a chance of it had better more a better marketing push than we've seen before actually that that's the answer i was going to give earlier when i was still going to answer the question that came a while ago like yeah i think that if this thing is positioned properly it stands a good chance of both increasing the awareness of Windows Phone and pulling nokia out of its slightly out of its slump I don't think it's a initiative ice I think its pricing is not going to help it certainly but it's not going to be the 808 again I mean it runs a much more popular platform it it's going to be sold in the United States for one yeah but you know what I don't care what else you say if you if you say windows phone is not a more popular platform than symbian and I know mean numbers that has a future and it's running a platform that a lot of people that I think still has a lot of legs under it for people who've never really mean it except on a commercial you know I think I think what what what that 41-megapixel sensor is gonna do it's gonna get people in the store to pick this thing up and maybe a lot of people that have never picked up a windows phone before and sure half of them gonna put it right back down Brian dealing with this but the other half are gonna be like this is compelling I actually like this I never would have thought of a windows phone before and then we'll see yeah I have a question for you good at if if you were if you were suggesting a phone to the most basic user your mom your grandparents whoever it is what would you suggest one ATT would the nokia lumia 1020 be at the top of that list i don't think it would know yeah that's the point that's the point ways hmm i don't know about the device a device has to have a ten out of ten granny score in order to be successful is that no no no no that's not the point I'm trying to make I'm trying to make the point that most general consumers are going to go for the device that kind of covers all the bases and the galaxy s4 kind of has that to it it's manage the the replaceable battery expandable storage which I will buy to the grave that it really doesn't matter all that much people still care um you purchased it has Jaime Jaime sayonara phone still talking about mom and pop or are we talking about because I feel like we would jump there I feel like I don't get the jet yeah hey I checked the chat ladies and gentlemen I think we have to wrap up we've been on the air for an hour or something already oh okay if I ever to ask one last question just a real quick rapid-fire for all the other folks here yeah let you have five seconds okay lumia 1020 bad for android bed for iOS bad for both bad for neither go needs art with Tony neither it won't matter neither it's not at that point yet it's not at that point yet it's i think that the mark anyway so it'll have its own mark regardless of iOS or android okay Michael Michael yeah I I don't think it's going to hurt either of those platforms yet but it may well in the best-case scenario it will provide the foundation for a future product of mala one product to her exactly so it's still important it's not handedly do it though okay Taylor anytime yeah except for my my feelings because I won't one on Android okay like okay we have to ride it it's been a pleasure talking it's been a pleasure shot in sharing the show floor with you guys obviously Adam Lane is right now at the event so expect a lot of hands-on videos of the spell and obviously Adam is a professional photographer so is it was very important for us to actually send that in to this event so that he could take a real stab at trying to compare this phone as much as he could so wait for the hands-on coverage of everything that's going to happen with this phone I am I never be that I want to buy this is the first Windows Phone that I would ever want to buy and it'll probably will be the case of Michael can't give me a review unit yeah okay so thank you very much for watching thank you very much for sharing your thoughts obviously there will be a lot of editorials from us on our thoughts on this phone I think we have a mixed bag of thoughts right now we all want it but then again you know the question is is it really going to push Windows Phone to the next level that's yet to be seen and I think that it's going to be shown mostly on the other way around meaning is Windows Phone really going to show enough leverage for this phone to actually survive so anyways thank you very much for watching everybody thank you very much for joining us and we will see you very soon on our thoughts and threats let us know what you think in the comments down below as well as any closing thoughts I think you just close out their james's it oh yeah done