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samsung skips the note 6 to deliver a phablet from the future or it could just be a name changed pebble smashes its kickstarter goal but should companies be allowed to use Kickstarter is a pre-order platform we get a much better look at the one plus three and our own hi Matt iveta is in China now playing with the ZTE axon 7 all that and listener mail so make sure you're charged and ready for episode 202 of the pocket now weekly this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smart phones tablets and wearables it's all this stuff you wished existed when you were a kid getting Nintendo thumb over your summer vacation I'm Juan Carlos bag now senior editor pocketnow.com blasting the signal from sunny Southern California rounding out this techy trio we're joined again by senior editor you know mr. Adam town afternoon sir the only partner that won't go away yes I was actually like I actually meant to ask you before we jumped in when we were in the pre-show because I looked you up again you need to change your page I'm pocketnow.com because you're still contributing editor I'm not even sure I know how but what pocketnow is basically like the startup of news organizations job titles don't mean anything well but you know you corrected me last week I wanted to make sure I got it right this week and podcast producer jewelz wrong Jules wang out of going out there you always get it right kwan you always get up I'm like what I'm batting like sixty percent on butchering your name and it's like the easiest name out of the entire team you're doing alright if you're doing above point for I think that's good that's what um Teddy Teddy Williams did so oh good call so yeah I mean we can round that up to a solid win the time on the west coast ladies and gentlemen is 11am so let's talk some tech 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through all of these shenanigans and these hijinks so that we can interact with you guys and see what it is that you all are interested in seeing in having us talk about so uh now properly jumping into the right off the bat we've got a little blip of a story here that I was surprised to see actually got some really heavy traffic on pocketnow.com I and it's just a naming situation as far as i can tell that samsung might be skipping over the note 62 instead give us a note 7 at the you know the second half of this year that I mean that's just a label change though right i speaking of job titles don't mean anything I mean do phone labels mean anything I mean in this case is it's one of those things it kind of makes sense you know they're both being you know both the s7 and the note whatever is being released in the same year so you don't want to have that perception that the that the the phablet flagship is in any way inferior so honestly just go ahead and make it 27 a year from now no one will care I a month from now very few right and it'll be what it'll be one of those questions that like like in job interviewers ask interviewees for like tech news say so what do you think about that note 6 and then it's like the answers then you know I think seven is just a sexy number i mean when hallway decided to make the sequel to their ascend mate ford you know ascend mate 2 4g LTE gotta get the whole name way yeah absolutely 19 they went up to a 787 and was the next version and then what else i mean we have the i don't mean to spoil things but the he acts on I just went up to 72 so sounds just that number you have those angles you have those Campbell lines it's just just an awesome number in design yeah and it's good becoming the next one phone where every every phone was a one device for a while I didn't age to see he is taken evangelist yeah with the species out a one device of their own I think that would help their and their brand ID so so I I totally greasy though Adam I think this is a smart branding philosophy especially since the Galaxy s7 edge has already been released it's weird having a 7 phablet and a 6 phablet in the same year yeah I was just kind of curious like people really seems to light up on this story that this naming change was somehow more significant or there was a bigger deal so just kind of curious to see all of those uh all those numbers on the the pond the the website for ya the traffic going to this story well it's Samsung so it's huge and awesome it's an epic thing it's a nice big thing and in and for it being such a big thing I think we're done talking about it oh absolutely one of the big topics that I thought was really interesting over this last week was a pebble pebble launching another kick starter for the pebble time to the pebble to and the pebble core and uh you know they I feel they have purposely set their Kickstarter goals low so that they can develop those headlines now sure Apple smashes Kickstarter goals so I mean it we can talk about the watches too but i think immediately one of the first questions that i want to get your guys as a pinion on is should kick starter continue to be used by major companies or larger companies as a pre pre order or pre sales platform as opposed to this spirit of kickstarter being a way to launch products at otherwise you know crowdfund products that wouldn't have gotten approved by other manufacturers right well i mean i think in general pebble has a sort of tradition with Kickstarter you know going back to the original pebble that's how that's how the original pebble was launched on text and when they brought the pebble the time of the steel and the time and the time steel they kept reiterating over and over we're coming to pebble because that's where our roots are but at the same time you're a mature company at this point I mean you've been developing smartwatches your arguably one of the pioneers of smartwatches or at least mainstream smartwatches develop your own system now I mean it's you know you're a big boy now you can come and sit at the big boys table and have your own online store um you don't have to go you don't have to go through Kickstarter anymore I just I see why they're doing it but to me it's it's honestly just kind of a lazy way out you don't have to do it but I mean Kickstarter is just another financing option as opposed to much more strenuous terms with the angel investors venture capital etc etc I think that they're able to exploit in a well a very excited audience that has been following their progress through the years so hey why not keep on the kick out the the Kickstarter tree yeah I mean it's also possible that they wouldn't get nearly the turnout if they launched on a different platform like let's say for whatever they went crazy and they decided go IndieGoGo instead of fixed or a guy i honestly think there would be a decline in sales just because it was an extra but no I I'm that's I'm not try to knock IndieGoGo I'm just saying Kickstarter with its reputation with pebble you know the to kind of work hand in hand so I mean it's possible that you know maybe they've got market analysis that says if we don't launched on kickstarter we're only going to sell three million as opposed to six million I don't know I total I totally believe this is the numbers justified and Kickstarter definitely has the lion share of the public awareness for how crowdfunding projects work and you do get that that bump in social media traffic because Kickstarter does an excellent job of leveraging other social media platforms for sharing and disseminating projects I just think there's something a little obvious about it at this point you know we've got 33 days to go i just looked it up the kickstarter is well over eight million dollars when they had a goal of one right we knew I mean like that one million-dollar goal was was broken I think within the first hour yeah of the the project being live so we all know that they're playing this game they know that we know that they're playing this game and we know that they know that we can but you know it I kind of feel like after a point like this kind of takes away from some of the discussion of the actual product too I mean we're looking at the next generation of pebble pebble time smartwatches I'm I'm a very I'm a very proud pebble devotees since the first generation product and i love my pebble time now I you know we're writing headlines about Kickstarter writing headlines about sales goals were writing later you know articles about um you know the the the machine behind pebble and we kind of get around like this conversation here we kind of get around to talking about the smart watches after all that right you know it's funny I have the same conversation with with my podcast partners on the tech repair tech vidcom but anyway and i was saying you know boy I'd really like to get my hands on a pebble time to I wonder if I could sell my pebble time and and the one guy clip is like why you have a pebble time why would you want a pebble time to I mean all it has it's a heart center and that's really the main difference and I'm just like you know what it's a good point maybe it's just because it was on Kickstarter know if II but but it creates that kind of the kind of that enter that was that desire like we get interested in these things and there's a positive association to those things I think that's actually a pretty big idea especially in light of like recent stories like Fitbit may or may not have accurate heart rate sensing capabilities built into their smartwatches I feel like fitbit's probably on the right side of that conversation and other people are trying to to make their products seem less reliable than they really are but there are very few products in the SmartWatch landscape that are as truly water-resistant have the same kind of battery life and now adding a 24-7 heart rate monitor to the equation when that's something very difficult to do on Android wear or the Apple watch without destroying your battery life ryzza is an interesting solution you like those are the whole thing about pebble is there isn't anything that's mind-blowing about the pebble experience it's it's that it's a very measured and conservative approach to serving notifications and small pieces of interactions to your wrist and it does so with the best possible screen for outdoor viewability and it does it with crazy long battery life so you're not going to get anything is just going to blow you away moving from a pebble time to a pebble time too but seeing those little updates like the heart rate monitor was enough for me to go yeah I kind of need to push the button on this all right I I didn't but ok I contemplated I thought about it I went to swap ax and I let's set out how much are they getting four times these days probably not much right like now it's like yeah it's like 60 70 bucks I was gonna say you're like 20 bucks and a half a ham sandwich okay but if i want to go from from my time to a pebble to you know silence wafaa it's only an extra twenty thirty bucks at sunup that's not awful so I got in on the early birds so what the couple to was gonna be 16 169 ya know where the the tradition that we have in my household right now is my wife is currently using my first generation pebble and she really likes it so now i said well i think i have to push a button on this it's a little you know it's it's it's hundred seventy bucks but you know it's not too bad it's not too expensive in she goes okay fine but I get your pebble time all right okay win-win you know you have to try and sell it this is awesome exactly it's always awesome when you get that permission slip under down your tech I mean yeah it's what it seems to be a good hand me down I just got a new laptop and now she's like well I need your old lenovo like okay that's great on done we've been looking at trying to get her a new laptop too and she was playing around with a windows tablet for a while she was like nah I need a better keyboard like well what about yeah that's gonna be great you were meant for each other oh we're you know what I every day I reflect on how lucky I am that she picked me oh so um moving right along let's get this set up here so um we don't need to spend a lot of time on this just because again it was just sort of a III don't know what this is it's like a tease it's a leak it's uh it's uh something it's something fatigue it's a teak um we have a much better look at the one plus three and this is now in in all its glory this doesn't look like a dummy or a mock-up we were pretty confident we know what the specs on this bad boy are going to be and a lot of people are commenting that this kind of just looks like an HTC clone a little bit a little bit and actually I think this is more of a confirmation that the leaks that we saw before were we're legit yeah or accurate so the whole way a lot of it was a lot of it looks lovely HTC HTC and inspired um and so but I mean it's good it's gonna come down to price and with the oneplus models that's what it's going to come down to it has to come it has to be in that three duh actually I forget what was the one plus two retailed for was that for 239 I actually can't remember just because I can never remember what the pricing differences are between the different story close to was 389 for the 64 gig 389 okay so yeah it's got to be in that same neighborhood for it to be really you know compelling as a as a flagship killer but yeah it looks I mean it looks nice specifications wise and and did it say the minimum internal storage is gonna be 64 gigabytes that's pretty awesome I believe ya 64 gigs that that's just the one that was sent to tena so okay yeah so we still don't have final confirmation on pricing availability all that fun sure to be revealed soon because apparently one of the other sales reps for 1 plus leet when their announcement was going to be yeah but you know we've seen I've had this theory for a while that it sort of takes around three generations of a product for a company to start being taken seriously I was not a huge fan of the first one plus one especially with all of the QA issues that seem to go into manufacturing that device the 1+2 I was a little cranky about emissions like NFC and now it seems like we're kind of getting back on track here with the one plus three but I have to question you like in a market where fashion design aesthetics lifestyle plays such a significant role in how emotional a smartphone purchase is does one plus win themselves any favors when people could take a look at something like an HTC 10 I know the HTC 10 is going to be more expensive but you know you look at that versus this kind of a device isn't this still just serving the same community of Android enthusiasts you like I don't feel like I say I sell finds broader appeal better HTC one a9 as opposed to an HTC 10 and we talked about that I think we're comparing different price brackets oh we absolutely are but what I what I mean is like your general consumer when they start looking at our we're comparing the same price bracket that it would be if it were that HTC decided to sell it for 3 99 right right which we all know that the a9 was probably a touch overpriced for what it offered but that's also kind of what I was what I'm kind of getting point getting to is when consumers are checking out flagship phones high-end phones you know a one plus three is not going to be on store shelves right you're not gonna see those at an angel in the store you're a key in virtual space so it'd be everywhere what now that one plus has shown dedication to this market they've shown consistency in this market run their third generation of product releases what really holds them back from finding a broader appeal or a larger community of people to to check out their products oppo oppo shut them down ok guys got you guys so we did I mean in that manner but it is I yeah we've been we're going into our third year of talking about the flagship killer and I still wonder you know who benefits or who's able to find this product we're still debating about this whole 1 plus abu connection and whether or not you know if this is just their online venture that they want to be you know quirky and unique in or if one plus is in fact operating under under their own volition that well they just can't make up enough clout in within their own market and then well they wouldn't be able to expand to you like physical retail in their market and then expand to maybe possibly international retail like they just don't have that kind of grip yeah well the other thing that that needs to be addressed and if from some of the rumors have suggested that the invite system for purchasing the phone is going to be gone for good and if that's the case then helped a lot I'm sorry I think that doesn't that helped a lot Oh that'll help a ton so if they can get rid of that I think that that would definitely um I'll help legitimize the product I'm all step for man one giant leap for me I'm seriously I mean it's that that whole thing that just it felt chintzy just from from from the start of it and I understand the reasons behind it but right you know just like pebble you know it's time to sit at the big boys table um you know and stop doing these you know chintzy feeling type sales gimmicks and just put the phone out there let it stand on its own merits getting good with some outlets like you know pocketnow.com to get some get some review devices in hands early so that there can be a lot of buzz when the phone actually launches and and you know just let's let's play play the game like everybody else does yeah y'all want these OEMs to be more straightforward with us and not in case there are little devices in glam and sparkles but right I mean they're hanging you're not a fan of like swarovski crystals um we just gotta we just got a message from Panzers ii in the QA a nice product that isn't available for purchase is always a hindrance once i like your words because like you know even if someone does find out about a1 plus if there's an invite system you know that most consumers are gonna go Matt no I can go buy something now I don't want to sit around and wait for device to go over the best buy come on right incident also from Kyle Ruggles comment about design not that thrilled by the one plus three they're looking too much alike now HTC anyone antenna line design is black do I mean what so I find this interesting because they're like some people that like really praised certain types of design and smartphone language and then there are other people that are like antenna lines that's terrible I've never understood like you know that that sort of split in what makes for good aesthetics outside of that whole beauty is in the eye of the beholder argument you know I think that's it i think it is just beauty is in the eye of the beholder I mean I think it's just we're looking at one in the same and we don't like the same be meek come on getting it together but you know 11 film that actually does I mean getting away from the whole aesthetics thing the one phone that I'm actually kind of looking forward to like because it is you know pretty attractive looking is the the ZTE exon 7 and then moving on we're going to talk about how oh my god you're commenting yours for transitioning Adam how about that you know what hey how about this little applause for that little transition but we're not talking about lenovo we're talking about the ZTE oh I ordered these wrong o.o producer fail that's all run ready everyone send your angry Jules Wong hate mail to no don't don't do that he's different tools at pocketnow.com yeah so we've got the ZTE axon 7 and our own hi mate iveta is in China right now as we speak he just produced a short hands-on video checking out some of the features there's some really cool tech on board here those front firing speakers look delicious especially for folks who were maybe not on board HTC's current boomsound experiment these these might fulfill that gap and then also it was kind of interesting this interested to see that this is using a samsung camera sensor it's using an ISO cell so it'd be really interesting camera performance there and a step away from the current Sony domination of camera sensors on smartphones but from having watched I Mays video and seeing like you know what we're going to be doing for expanded coverage and talking about the fingerprint sensor and all accessories that come with it what did you guys think about that initial first impression like ZTE may may be making a bigger splash with Western audiences Oh in the phone access I mean we're talking about 20 mega mega pixel camera when everyone else is shrinking back and improving on their low light performance supposedly but uh yes supposedly but you know we have this huge AMOLED panel we have a dual front firing speakers there Dolby enhanced and there are two dedicated chipsets 44 hi-fi and it's just there's a whole lot going for the hardware and there's also supposedly daydream um competitive compatibility yeah so I mean when we're talking about future forward it feels like this is the phone that's dividing the spring flagships from the fall flagships and I commend CTE for making the first step yeah and I just looking at the whole screen to bezzle ratio I mean there's just there's like no there's no wasted space on this thing actually that and it's almost kind of a detriment because that front facing camera sitting in the middle of that speaker grill not a fan of that I'll be honest you know at least without some type of some type of balancing mark on the other side but yeah but I mean it's one of its one of the quote unquote downsides of having this much screen the bezel ratio which I mean this thing is it just looks massive just because there's there's practically nothing on either side it's just this gigantic screen and two little speakers and that's it half bound to I mean we're talking about what eight eight millimeters thickness and edging up towards that 200 gram mark I bet that feels real good though that feels really great unibody aluminum like we're ever tired about I've never been a huge fan of having the lightest possible phone I don't like that wafer plasticky lightweight feeling I kind of have one that feels not rugged I mean while i do like rugged phones to for specific purposes but I kind of like that that by like this feels substantial it feels well built yeah you know like the HTC 10 I get that feeling from it it's just every time I pick that up I'm just like man this feels so good and it's not that's not the latest not finished but it's well proportioned well-balanced and it feels right right hand and I think that that that that's an important you know distinction to make between just sort of a heavy device and uh and just so you know I have the original axon in my presence here and based on that I can tell you that the software is pretty decent it's you know just close to stock even so there's really not much to complain about Z together a Chinese manufacturer doing its thing here so I mean there is you have to really be nitpicking here at least from far away you know we haven't gotten our hands on it so I mean I might have well and I've been excited to see some of the things he was talking about like going back to your point Jules about the software that this is going to be a you know a Chinese device that doesn't just mimic the iphone it's been one of my biggest complaints with Huawei's is they get rid of the app drawer in your notification shade has that split toggle vertically just like iPhones have and I like if i want to buy an iphone i'll go buy an iphone um so I'm really happy to see a more traditional home screen app drawer layout on on a Chinese manufacturer device really happy to see that this is another company that's taking the fingerprint sensor seriously that this is supposedly wicked fast performance for a fingerprint sensor and really I think the the only question is going to be one um is ZTE capable of producing this for Western audiences quickly so that it doesn't kind of get lost in the shuffle on other phone releases and to how much do we think this thing is going to be once it starts landing in Europe and in North America well time I said sub 500 and well they put up an ad in The Wall Street Journal so we do expect this to come along we just haven't had any inkling about it uh and that's I mean wouldn't it suck if it were if everything changed from you know crossing the Pacific it's just funny that's happened to a bunch of us I mean we didn't we get burned not burned that that's a little too strong but you know when um when Sony delivered z phones to the United States we lost out on fingerprint sensors now I know that the ZZ phones were having some issues with the implementation on their first fingerprint sensor but still like parts were carved out of that phone and that also happens in Reverse where companies like HTC will put in lower spec processors on certain models of their phones for different markets just kind of help with costs so put in a 652 ooh in the Chinese HTC 10 and that only got 250 one pre-orders from the little thing outside well that would not look good on Kickstarter ya know that that would absolutely not break any Kickstarter sales records no headlines there at all um so I really an impressive offering especially from a company that I think here in the United States CTE is kind of isn't it more associated with like MVNO players and less expensive devices if something like this started popping up to handle the undercut phones like the galaxy s7 and the LG g5 does this create enough word of mouth that consumers might actually start looking at some of these other companies as options I think Huawei is starting to build some name recognition in the United States I think ZTE has a as a killer offering on their hands here provided it doesn't have any catastrophic flaws right so we review it um isn't the only thing these companies back just advertising at this point I think that would be about that that is about it i mean that's and that's where Samsung is you know nominees that it's yeah it's absolutely dominated so uh and i think in this case CT definitely has an attractive and attractive enough product that it would back up the advertising that would that would come along with it so absolutely i want to see them get out there and get there and start so let's let's start let's start putting some ZTE phones in the hands of uh not 90210 hawaii 50 k and 90210 Wow still using Windows Phones ah probably I think the last time I I fired up in episode of hawaii five-o everyone was on Lumias and it just made me so sad I know Oh what could have been and I still without that surface and put it on the on the hood of the car that's so beautiful i drugged me we um go ahead Jules I'm just gonna fire this up in the Q&A no yeah I was about were you going to do a Evan Adams question oh no real quick I was just going to detail Panzers II rights what we need is a refreshed version of the samsung captivate a steal back with removable battery aluminum glass is so played out that's so 2008 Oh blah so which one did you want to talk about that huh yeah Evan Adams who was asking about software updates and he's considering HTC 10 because of those updates yeah they do have this thing called the axon passport program where it's a whole bunch of services it's just like HTC oh they also provide a screen of first screen replacement for free and there's a whole bunch of a warranty extended warranty kind of thing going on there and hopefully across the industry we see a manufacturer's picking up you know some of the slack on offering updates for their devices we're gonna go yeah in just a little bit but first I want to switch gears here my hump day in March by the way of marshmallow so oh yeah mmm-hmm that's actually not too bad considering not too bad though the pack Android sex um but we do want to switch gears here we're going to talk about motorola moto and lenovo we got some sales numbers coming from those two companies and it's not looking super Rosie the the first year of this partnership between these two manufacturers that I that moto is failing to generate sales that it's not really moving the market and that these devices don't seem to be appealing and they're kind of curious what your guys's take on motorola's current position might be well here's the thing and i am not a business expert by any stretch of the event and met so but here's how I see it lenovo picked up a company in motorola that was having trouble sustaining itself and now they're surprised when Motorola's having trouble sustaining itself yeah it I hate to draw this parallel so forgive me audience but when HP bought palm it's not like palm was really only two parts and so HP I mean I think I'd literally think that there was a board meeting when HP said well we'll just pick up palm will put an HP sticker on it and people will buy it because it says HP right that's how it works right and then in fire sale and it's almost like and it's almost like Lenovo and moto are doing the same thing you know Lenovo is like oh well you know we'll just take this company and we'll put a lenovo sticker on it and people will buy it because it's lenovo right we've got all these great laptops people love our don't know what sticker to put on it that's the problem that's another problem too but it's just it's I in it always surprises me when you know a big companies by these other companies that you know are not I don't want to say failing per se but not doing all that great and then they're like oh my god this doesn't do it all that great what's happened I don't get it so it's just everybody I guess all these companies think they can be the White Knight to like charge in and rescue you and then like their horse breaks a leg on the way in and like now they're stuck in the fire to and more legal realizable horse already had broken legs before they even jumped on it yeah right like that that might be a little harsh for Motorola's what if I was looking at those numbers as we were scrolling by 11 million devices and somewhere around five million of them were contributed from Motorola right which is almost fifteen percent I don't see how that's bad well and also but I mean like that in terms of sale numbers those are a little surprising when we were seeing a motorola that was building some momentum so motorola was having difficulties as their own company under Google's tutelage we got some killer devices we got that that first push into those great moto g's the Moto X 2 was is still a beautiful phone like that is still an eminently usable phone today um and then when when Google and moto parted ways Google kept kind of all the good R&D stuff hmm and then lenovo got sort of the main phone business that was sort of just servicing the current market today I find it you know you know we were i was talking briefly about sort of my 3 year strategy we were just into that territory where motorola was building momentum was being taken more seriously had great connections with with google and the android development team and we're kicking some killer devices near stock devices just beautiful execution on all of these phones and don't consumers sort of pump the brakes when we see a major shift in ownership like that sure than that mean we got to have to like start from scratch in not from scratch we have to start over and kind of rebuilding that momentum we've got see compelling devices come from lenovo moto and then we can start looking at motorola is a serious competitor again if Lenovo is a Chinese company is in this for the long term I would expect that they probably first saw some kind of dip after the first year of devices I mean it's difficult for me to imagine a scenario where sales would just have continued to grow right right multi rational well and i also want to pump the brakes myself and say you know my explanation of it is way oversimplifying so please nobody put stock in that and like you know i know i don't want to see this on the internet on twitter later saying well i'm so this no okay it's way over simplified so don't get me wrong i am not an expert don't plan it don't pretend to be an expert that's not like novo even way there they had great sales before hand in there in a domestic market but they've just been beaten down by Huawei by Xiaomi by meizu everyone else and you know that that took them from top five man you manufacturer down to wherever is bill so it's not just Motorola's faults here no no it's not and i also want to you know point out that there's also a tone that I don't think that the article necessarily reflects there's probably a tone to Lenovo's expectations for what Motorola was going to burn moto was going to bring so I mean if Lenovo went into this thinking oh we're gonna you know quadruple our revenue in the first year then yeah obviously expectations were were not set right but if Lenovo is making this announcement like you know where it didn't have him you know didn't have as many sales as we kind of liked but you know no big deal then you know then we just move on and we move into year two of the building reputation and and hopefully by next year we can have the 2014 Moto X hopefully this acquisition doesn't mean lights out for the company right on no I I don't think that's that's going to be the case especially as we've got that event coming up on an on jun 9th and so I'm actually going to be flying up to San Francisco to cover that we've got a couple comments here in the QA about this Motorola's sort of a sweetheart company for a number of people in our audience I so we've got from Tiger bait calm addressed the Moto X leaks with the three modular attachments we've seen I mean we talked about that on previous episodes of the podcast that Motorola might have a better take on a modular phone than what we've seen from LG so we're definitely going to be looking into that and then I so just sort of the rumors that are kind of floating around on moto Z as to whether or not that's going to be a new ultra flagship tier which is kind of funny watching these companies trade positions as we are looking at a sony x line coming out to replace the Xperia Z and we could be looking at some kind of moto Z to supersede the Moto X um just like we were saying with ones and sevens we kind of need to find some other letters yeah symbols or something to talk about smartphones because they're really yeah i'm in a delta I think we need moto feathers I think it's gonna be our next bad thing will have blood feathers in plaster those will be the two the two materon and an flagship it should be that place in Wales that's like you know London did go wing go go go yeah absolutely I think it's next Batman character Tala get on that one and and once those phones arrive we can all count on much better upgrade in software support because Google is going to start shaming manufacturers that don't update their devices in a timely fashion and I think we're all really happy to see this coming down the pipe because something needs to change in Android land and Google is really the only company that can exert pressure on all of these various manufacturers to stay on top of security exploits and for newer features that are going to be coming to our mobile phones no and it's also and and it should be mentioned that right now this this list of manufacturers is is internal it's it's something that's you know past being passed around the company and it's not going to be it's not external right now so there's not a lot of public shame going on right now whether or not that changes it remains to be seen but it would be really nice if if if Google could start pointing fingers just not not only from a fragmentation you know standpoint but also just from a consumer standpoint you know if there was an official official list of uh you know manufacturers and and how they're keeping up with updates I think that would actually help from from a consumer standpoint be like you know hey I'm gonna go pick up this new blah blah phone and and then you look at this listen here they're like way down nearly oh well you know if I don't have the latest software then the phone's going to be you know susceptible to its gonna below various security flaws so maybe I should think about picking up something else and I think I think it's gonna be great for consumers and it's gonna be great for geeks and it's gonna probably gonna be good for Google as well because OEMs will want to move up that list well I'm sorry sorry Jules rook why don't we see like every website you know pocketnow.com included we all try to put out lists of who did a good job of updating their devices this year and it's really difficult tracking down that kind of information I don't know there's a lot of stuff that we've got to sift through for when updates were applied and when they were actually released and then you usually have some kind of teared release where 20 people get them day-of and then the rest of the audience get some like a month later um that happened to me on Windows Phones um no in trying to tabulate all that information who would know better at Google so I completely agree i'm absolutely hoping that we see this list made public just like with Netflix ranking ISPs for network performance this is absolutely information that transcends geek and norm you know like yeah I think everyone would want to know my device is getting supported the company has a great track record of applying security fixes and bug fixes I feel confident in continuing to give them money for products and services I'm sorry Jules what were you gonna say well I was going to say that we should be differentiating as fantasy points out i believe difference between security patch updates and major point feature absolutely and you know i mean because point feature updates i mean when we're talking about Play Store apps most of them you know hey android 4.4 you're good you're fine and just the comparability of those features works out fine Samsung has been good I believe on the security patches not so much on the point upgrades but LG has been i think the antithesis yeah been there and I've emesis out of that I mean I've seen the pretty early LG upgrades for the g4 I mean no that's actually a great point from Panzers e to because um sorry excuse me no that's a great point in that I think we're all sort of accustomed to the idea that smartphones are maybe going to get two years of major support for new releases on operating systems but we have seen you know a tremendous a sort of oversight for all of the devices that are floating out there in the Android ecosystem that don't even receive security updates or bug fixes anymore when we see sales when we see usage numbers in the galaxy s3 still a crazy popular thrown around the world that's a phone that will never properly be upgraded against the current generation of exploits and security holes and that's that's a very unhappy situation to be in on such a major smartphone platform it's kind of like all of the zombie windows XP machines that are still out there you know infected with God knows why we're kind of creating a similar situation in androidland when we look at the worldwide community what we need is less latency just like the latency on my internet connection right now mine too yeah it's great thanks google hangouts so um moving right along google shaming yes make it public we all want to know anyone else do it just just do it um in in another shameful turn of events for fans of phones that are you know smaller or niche platforms paypal is making a little bit of public news today that their app is saying adios to Windows Phone blackberry OS and the Amazon fire phone so for the ten people that we're still on the Amazon fire phone you can no longer make your paypal purchases off of that device thank you can / no longer buy your ebay purchases on your Amazon phone really you have the fire phone you should just be buying everything from Amazon anyway yeah yeah it's probably true um yeah it's it's unfortunate and you know like you said it's it's niche type type products I would say Amazon's far more niche than Windows blackberry but at the same time you know I and what that what do they say they had to properly devote their resources to devices that have creating user Sri best experiences were customers is there as they're very very diplomatically trying to say we just want to make apps for iOS and Android yeah for well if they want to they want to make a abs for their ninety-eight percent of their customers not be that you exercise is the one thing that i did find kind of curious we don't have to spend a lot of time on this it's just sort of sad news for people that are still in those platforms but would there be any benefit for paypal making a universal Windows app or for most of the transactions that people engage with on the windows 10 various windows 10 platforms is the web browser good enough to handle your paypal in there I'm not sure what kind of experience you would get in terms of a paypal app I mean if you are browsing with your chrome app and you encountered something with paypal and I mean would that redirect that the whole interactions and the whole feature set I'm just I just wouldn't be clear on that introducing instant apps by oh no no my last week I mean I use I use the web browser for for all my paypal transactions I will occasionally look at the app while I'm out on the go but I mean for the most part if I'm doing all the way pal I'm sitting down at the computer and doing it but that's just my usage so only racking my brain I couldn't come up with like a usage specific scenario where on my laptop on my Windows 10 tablet on my Windows 10 desktop we're having a Windows 10 paypal app would have provided me a better experience or even just like a comparable one well I almost always have a web browser up leaving the browser to open an app i would think one step was making me like oh but i don't want to do that i already have a browser oh but at the same time if you if you have like an app where you always logged in maybe that would be nice uh you know as opposed to having to enter a username and a password but yeah that's about it that that pretty much introduced that in this update well excellent yeah excellent so uh yeah it's just yeah so it sucks but it's the reality of the situation yep so unfortunately for you folks on those those other third party platforms a like I have to imagine that you know symbian users and webos users or likely able to commiserate with you guys but sadly paypal on those platforms will be no more unless of course we go to court also we go to court and we force all app developers to develop for all platforms like blackberry at one point John Chang do you think yeah you could pull that off be curious to see what ya antitrust might be for a paypal app on all platforms I'm gonna invent a linux-based phone and cell like three dev kits and then demand that konami i'm a paypal app yeah absolutely the antitrust so that makes me want to drop claire forlani his name there so oh ok all right i mean it's not particularly relevant but we are always down for a good claire forlani conversation I sure sure I'm sure so is absolutely not Claire Forlani is it as a story that also got surprising amount of traffic on pocketnow.com and what I wanted to put you guys on the spot this is another thing where I'm racking my brain to really get what it is that people are finding exciting about this I'm really coming across as old man fuddy-duddy bag nel this week that's right is not the role I like to play I like to be the more excited guy about technology but we um we got this this tease from one uh was it from one plus i don't know it's from OBO from a leak so that they have apparently been working for months on a foldable phone and that this device you know again I don't understand the benefits of having a phone screen that can fold in half over what traditional phones can offer like I am not quite sure what it is it's so exciting about having a clamshell that folds in half so i'm i'm sort of tagging you guys but I'm also hoping that people in the cubicle drops a comment ready ready for this this might be ready here we go tennis with his jewels it works cool yeah yes and it's like it would be like it would be like one of those Star Trek communicators where you flip it open you real upper room captain's log stardate 483 5.2 is the phone that we all face and not to mention when you want to hang up on somebody it is so much more satisfying to be like fine buy food you know as opposed to just like you know fine bye beep so uh and I think unless they're reinforcing it with Gorilla Glass that might be a problem what is with with having some kind of foldable device there's that can't be a glass display right yeah or at least it would have a line down the middle of it which would be less than optimal um but yeah I just I think we're just we just need to have you know like in Dungeons and Dragons terms we need bracers of smartphone you know so we can wear on our look no oro by the power of grayskull you can put your arms together and it'll like flash up a cute cat video and it'll make thieves run away you know I think that would be the ideal you so we've seen a number of likes like science fiction loves showing us translucent phones phones like that are like you can see through them which I've never understood what the big benefit would there be and some major security issues if someone can look at what you're doing true then also we've also seen like in a number of movies like rollout displays yes that's what I will that's what I want I want to roll out display where you know it's like in a tube and if you want to use a phone you just pull it a little bit and you get a phone and then if you want to watch a movie then you pull it out a lot and you've got a big screen TV ah instantly scalable displays you were you just pinch to zoom yeah exactly exactly and you can pull them down from the bottom to and you can make a six by four you know while display for your netflix and then commit the Kree or two or thing you can you could make a decree or you know possibly a proclamation if you're if you're she'll be so inclined ah but yeah i mean i'm not really all that all that looking forward to foldable phones but I mean the scroll the scroll ones I could see being a lot more compelling so and it's also another thing to consider is not just foldable but all so just a bendable display you know various other form factors where you could actually put like a smart phone a smart phone to like display I don't not say it's going to be a smart phone and I think we've all said that you know if iOS and Android are ever going to be offset it's going to be by something completely new so you know maybe we're going to have smart helmets or something in the future I don't know but it's that this could very well be like a next generation type product which is going to assure us in to whatever is going to be the next you know the next generation of mobile communications yeah I mean that oh go ahead jewels I'll cue up the QA while we're yeah I mean we have to start using these flexible id's in some way I mean talking about making them fit to the form of an iphone and all glass iphone maybe have an all screen iphone at some point yeah that that would require a flexible OLED so somehow someway we have to realize that these components are out in the market and we should probably start using them somehow well we've got from Joel GJ and he writes no shattering screen when the phone hits the ground that could be kind of interesting if the displays all right under suitable does that necessarily mean that the device is going to be inherently more rugged or more lifestyle proof and they're from Kyle Ruggles we've got clam shells for a tablet great for a phone not so much unless you can quickly use it with one hand and that's another thing that I kind of look at like if your phone is closed what does that do to affect things like usage because I mean especially this this demo that we've seen from op oh that does look like a bulkier device than what we've sort of grown accustomed to on standard phones no I think it's also yeah there's definitely a but I think it would also make a smartphone smaller um you know we're yeah we're pushing for smaller and thinner and this would definitely bulk up on the thickness but if the phone is only say four inches by three inches as to you know eight inches by three inches i think that would probably be a lot more attractive for pocket writing and whatnot so Evan Adams writes clamshell equals best way for Nintendo to bring the DS to Android I can say I if I were Nintendo I would absolutely just be making the next in nintendo DS out of a similar setup like it on that don't even try and bother competing in the Android space just beat phone manufacturers to this type of technology and tempo another portable game console that'll last for a while interesting i jus right across my twitter feed one of our competitors came across with the Google ready to shame partners you don't upgrade a trick that's like yeah we we already got past that one we already you mentioned on the podcast in fact yeah I mean come on was I fancy so um we uh we're gonna we're sort of wrapping up with the news here but Before we jump into listener mail um and and wrapping up some of the other comments in the Q&A I wanted to take just a second um to briefly talk politics I try and avoid any sort of political deep dives on the show around this channel but we recently went through sort of the FBI vs apple case and we're gearing up for another fight in Congress over budgets and appropriations spending for the FCC and so there's currently a bill being offered on on spending that is going to cut FCC spending and then a severely declaw what the FCC is capable of regulating here in the United States now it is not my job as an editor pocketnow to tell you how I think you should support or oppose legislation like this but what I will ask for the members of our audience here in the United States to seriously consider looking at this bill and then writing your local congressman or congresswoman to voice your support or opposition for the style spending I know there are a number of people in our audience that are probably conservatives and libertarians who feel like free market solutions will be the appropriate response to business regulations and I know that there are going to be people that are in favor of even stricter regulation over our data communication networks and telecommunications industry and so my my plea is for more of us to get involved I feel as geeks we should be leading the conversation we should be resources for people in our circle of friends and families and throughout our communities for this kind of information to add to the discussion and to raise the level of discussion I think what we saw from the FBI vs apple case was this stuff gets dangerous when the people who really know what's going on are not being listened to and so that's where I hope we can contribute to this discussion we can contribute and participate politely with respect to people who might not understand the ramifications of these business moves as well as we do but I would hope that people in our audience can can start leading the conversation more than just joining the conversation or even just that notion you like I have that knee-jerk reaction where I just want to complain on Twitter so yesterday instead of complaining on Twitter i took my complaint and I drafted a paragraph of text and I sent it to my the congressman in my district and it was the same roughly the same amount of time as I would have spent on crafting a Facebook post but it went directly to someone who has been actually do something about can actually do something and so in voicing my opinion there I feel like my time was actually better served than just complaining to the people that I already know agree with me you know preaching to the choir of the people who I follow on social media well yeah but how many retweets did it get zero and actually know what I'm kind of fine with that and no likes you might have okay with that Sanford four people in the United States this is coming up you know for the 2017 fiscal budget so I would recommend checking this information out now for people in other communities around the world I would still ask that you join in the participation of these tech discussions with your local elected officials because it's never a good idea to wait for the United States to figure stuff out you know um if I almost never rose out it never was out by the time we've moved on a particular topic leaders in your area are already in the process Tess of developing the responses to there's two similar situations you know when it came to encryption we saw a flurry of activity in the UK regarding very similar issues in terms of data security and privacy waiting for us to figure out what was going on at the FBI Apple case would have been a terrible move in actually drafting a policy that will affect us for generations to come and and again it's never my job to tell you how I think you should vote on these things but I I always ask that you guys because I know you're smarter than than or more tech savvy and smarter than the average consumers out there that you that you join the conversation because I think your input will be invaluable for how we move forward on these types of topics and discussions I just think your balls are part of the liberal media machine I'm so torn on a number of these issues because i am a capitalist at heart I mean like I'm all about like if I can be rich imma be rich yeah but these conversations are so nuanced and we leave them up to the media that we have liberal media or conservative media they're always way oversimplified and I really do feel that that that the majority of Americans who care enough to even tuned in are going to understand some of these nuances when they're better presented and so what tools do we have at our disposal to better disseminate the new ones of a discussion it's us we're that tool we're that resource we're tools absolutely but if we if we if we continue to be as cynical as sometimes we've been in the past if we continue to take our ball and go home then our voice doesn't contribute to the discussion and the discussion is led by people who should probably not be leading that discussion so that's always my plea to this community is we can do better we absolutely can and i feel we should go blah blee that power love it and so let's get to some Q&A is just real quick I mean the first one that I see here from heaven Adams Tom Wheeler has been surprisingly less bad than people thought he would be yeah he was a staunch uh um punk-ass lobbyist yes he was a thank you I couldn't I couldn't find the word lobbyist and he's actually turned out to be a pretty fairly uh um balanced head for the FCC chairman for the FCC I'm losing words like all over the place here my brain is ejecting at sir what was I had right i'm gonna make it you make it mm-hmm I know we're so close so close um where's the other QA a bunch of people jumped in with stuff isn't there some sort of flip phone motorola is coming out with if you guys seem uh talking about the moto razr little flashback ad i I don't see anything there it just leads to the June ninth date so lenovo tech world we're gonna see that mmm yeah i haven't heard anything beyond that Oh dozy I'm losing I thought I had one other QA here but I think we're gonna have to move on to uh listen email you were male here I'll get these cute up right now you had the bong bong oh no the bong bong and yeah we've gotta do it once the hmong bong sounds it's official already get to the number one or yeah i got number one for me while I I cute his back up alright so my favorite person of the day is mr. Billy cool cool and he writes I currently own a galaxy note 5 I really love great sounding high quality mp3 audio via headphone jack my big question is is there big enough reason to switch to the HTC 10 rather than sticking with the note line based on that alone I'm due for my annual upgrade in August and would very much appreciate your opinion thank you so I picked this question specifically because Adam you've been rocking an HTC 10 what if you're one of your impressions been I've been rocking it for like a day and a half um so I unfortunately have seemed to have misled you in this um my my train my train ticket is an e-ticket that i keep on my phone and my metra is the is the the the company by rail yeah yup so they only allow you to move your train ticket to a different device once per month which for normal people is perfectly fine for people like us it's a stupid problem to have but I've already had my train ticket on two different phones now so i could wasn't able to move it to the HTC so I had to just not use the HTC for for a while anyway so all that aside I haven't had the chance to listen to any audio although I know right although I have it from a reliable source that the audio output quality is sublime so hmm I wonder what could have been it definitely was not one of our editors who's currently in China so actually he thought it was pretty good too though I'm he was cranky when I got the cuz they had to send the 10 to me to do the camera review right that's maybe the crate crankiest I've seen Jaime about it but you're gonna send it back to me right where's yeah he's that came with it come on man what's going on but no hardware so I'm I'm under the impression that the the audio quality is is wonderful I can't confirm that but watch my twitter feed I will make sure to do that over the weekend and play some nice high quality audio and and come back with a with a judgment I'll be curious to see your thoughts now one of the things like when we're talking about whether or not we're gonna make a phone recommendation for someone else to spend their money I can't really answer like the no.5 as a solid performer oh yeah really it's really good all around I don't think it wins any major categories when it comes to audio reproduction but there aren't any significant deficits that I can find on unknown 5 hardware so it's really tricky when we're talking about a single use case example for us to be able to say oh yeah well if that's your thing then you should total is better yeah body this phone which is only a couple months older than this other phone or any only a couple months newer than this other phone so you know I would be careful because you really want to weigh the sum total of everything that you use a device for if you ever click the S Pen well you need to stick with a note like writers no other offering that really uh champions that kind of activity usage um cameras are pretty similar but you still want to look at what it is that you focus on what it is that you do with your device before moving on um I one of the ring is when up specifically because of audio and Adam you just got your HTC 10 bless our general this is all this is one of the most common questions that we get on this podcast and at least this one gave us some kind of criteria yeah I like listening to music but I can't tell you the number of emails that we get hey guys so I've got a galaxy s3 that's that's totally dead it's time for me to get a move on i'm looking at an HTC 10 LG g5 or a galaxy s7 what should I buy yeah and our our answer to that question is yes or maybe I want to start saying no yeah but not it is good that he did have that that specific audio request and I'm I unfortunately am not qualified to answer it um but yeah you know I i will i'm actually got this email in my inbox so I could even write them a quick audio review once i get that looks like i think yeah great I and and because I am a very particular snob about what I enjoy about like headphone audio and speaker audio and camera tech and things like that look me and I'd be very curious to see what your experiences are just to see if I'm kind of you know up my own but I also i also will say that at the HTC demo where i got the HTC 10 they very much focused on the audio experience from the HTC 10 where there is there's actually like a setup process that you can go through and you can actually adjust the equalizer through presumably a user-friendly set up to like just perfectly cater to your audio needs so i will be doing all of that this weekend so never fear but i will CC you as well and and then a chameleon article i don't know and kyle ruggles also writes in and this this might help you out mr. cool um if he's tech-savvy he could root his note and install Viper for android it'll bring new life back into the no 54 audio I keep the note if I was in this position if he needs productivity so that's also another solution there too is that maybe the stock software just isn't giving you the right eq color the right amp bump that might be looking for you can actually tweak some of the sound coming off these devices even the Samsung built in eq has some interesting features that you can pull way to kind of tweak and Taylor audio what are the weird I mean in this case he's saying he actually likes the audio so I don't know if he doesn't necessarily needs to adjust it he's just looking for something fresh is he looking for a seven out 10 or nine out of ten dollars into ranks uh I give it I give it an 11.3 on a scale of 7 to 17 on my things with full moons comment on to the next viewer yeah I was about to say the only flex I have are outta shape and that makes for a fun experience but yeah on my HTC 10 definitely bright and I'm just loving it and cool that amp does a great job of driving even more resistive headphones I didn't say that properly by people in the chat and on YouTube comments will correct me for our they'll get all me moving ohms moving on to next email this one comes from an eco Martin and Anika rights I want to ask regarding the new messaging app from Google allo why does google why doesn't Google give us a low features in the form of an update to hang out it would be easier for people to use that feature rather than launching a new app which are which is making the user which I sorry this is written a little making user yassel giving the user a hassle to move contacts from hangouts to this I think at least Google should be consistent with their app at least I think they should make a button to move contacts from hangouts to hollow what do you think about why Google is making zoom so we talked about this a little bit more in a little bit more in depth in our podcast right after Google i/o but you know with a little time a little distance Adam what do you think about this strategy it seems to me like this is a way around built-in messaging clients like this is another split so that they can update this free from carrier and manufacturer influenced but also means that they're creating another separate piece right that consumers need to download on their own well as I actually tweeted over the over the weekend I said you know I'm not sure why I'm surprised that Google now has four messaging apps considering they have to mapping apps and how many do you really need um so I think there's making making an update you hangouts would be fine except I don't want to say lipstick on a pig except it's just I don't know anybody that you actually uses hangouts I mean even even even the Nexus phones now have a separate messaging app beyond hang out so I don't necessarily know that hangouts to ello is the natural progression here I don't if anything messaging to a low would would make more sense I would think as far as like transferring contacts from one to the other if you're like me all of your contacts are in Google anyway so I don't think that's going to be much of a problem and if your contacts aren't in google put them in google for God's sakes because um I don't want it I don't want to have you well you know one day having to post on Facebook hey I lost my phone so if you could all PM me your phone numbers that'd be great you know I actually wrote an article about that back in December about how to preserve all your stuff in the cloud so if your contacts aren't in google put them in google so do that now don't even and then the rest of this conversation becomes somewhat irrelevant but now I don't like I don't mind I don't mind the fact that they came out with a new messaging app I think it's gonna be I think it'll be fine I think the people that want it will use it and i think that people that don't will use something else i mean i think that's that's kind of where we are there's such a saturation that that people are going to use what they want to use you know some people still use whatsapp some people use snapchat some people use SMS for whatever reason and that's actually a great point Jules do you think that this might be just googles way of sort of thrown everything up in the air and seeing what sticks well I'm going to have to say no because and I'm gonna have to ask you why you think that way well I i was i was so wanting to say yes but i just don't feel like google would know wouldn't do this without having some sort of master strategy uh maybe a year down the road or two years down the road and I know that's talking you know nonsense times from this point in 2016 but there has there has to be a way that they tile these plot threads together so to speak wait I mean there they have messenger they have google hangouts and they're kind of hinting that they're about to like um I don't know separate things once again and then maybe everything will just blow up my voice google voice is like the conch add the cockroach it'll be left after the nuclear disaster oh I'm still the house is alert I I posted on Facebook 90 AD google voice number so yeah sure okay Juelz with the vote for tech optimism google has to have a plan hello yeah i want to be different no it's prep this up with our last viewer mail comes from devore divorce actually been writing a bunch of emails in um and with very funnily threatening email titles if we don't read i would talk to you a second time so this one has to do with one of our favorite topics I actually recently produced a video on pocketnow.com talking about lag and soda for rights note5 lag there have been a few articles about processor speed on lag I'm pocket now there's been a lot of news regarding the new note how does the note 5 stat stand up with the approach of the note 6 or 7 prices will start to drop on the no.5 how is it holding up we're starting to look at you know whether or not we should be producing after the buzz segments for these types of phones you know we've got these companies that develop reputations and Samsung seems to have stuck with this reputation that after a couple months their devices slowed way down and so I was I was hoping especially Adam you could comment on what your some of your experiences been using devices for longer than just that first week review but how do we feel about you know devices aging lag is this a software problem is this really like a consumer just accumulates a lot of crap so all computers will start to slow down over time lag is a very divisive topic in our yeah yeah I'm now I don't have a note 5 but I do I have been using the s6 edge relatively regular pretty similar hardware yeah so relatively similar um and it's actually been my my experience that the lag has been um I don't know it was a good thing or a bad thing but it's been pretty consistent through the through the years uh I mean there were time there and read my review rebuttal which went up God almost a year ago um you know there's there's times that the phone starts to kind of stutter and you just kind of not do yourself and you just push through for the next five minutes or so until it clears itself up and that's still the same that we get today so as far as the Samsung specific leg is concerned it's it's better it's it's a lot better than older Samsung devices that I would use um but it's still there um and it still rears its head every now and then but not with any more consistency years III was i I've been one of these people where I've you know voiced my opposition to this notion that Samsung specifically seems to have this notion of lag and all devices will slow down over time I've noticed one very odd slow down on my Galaxy s7 so I don't have the S Evan edge I have the s7 and it's on the fingerprint sensor so this not experienced on any other phone we're on my s7 when when I go to you know hit my thumb at the bottom of the seven it's now like one out of four it'll just sit there and look at me it won't actually unlock the device I'll reposition and it's not telling me that it's not scanning right it just doesn't do it yeah you know it's just it's an iOS feature like it slowly cuz I can see my vacations tea instead of that you just see the time no it'sit's interested in as much feature yeah now that I've had another live use the HTC 10 and I've used the the 6p and it should eat these the fingerprint sensor on the s6 edge which was always like really fast for me now it's just kind of like it is slower now I don't know if it's because if it's slowing down or if it's because other sensors are just that much faster and it's like when I started playing with Huawei's even on like a even on like a less expensive Huawei like those fingerprint sensors are just bulletproof I really like what they're doing with Hardware on you know all of their phones the p9 is likely um but this one actually did take me by surprise on the sfn where the s7 was a a quick and snappy performer out of the box for the first couple weeks that I was using it and now when I pick it back up to do like comparisons or when I'm producing other content and I need the S Evan that's one thing that really has aged oddly I can't even say an aged poorly it's just right odd that it would affect a hardware component which seems to not really I mean it's not a direct action response to the Android operating system right it's how you turn the screen on and unlock the device and for whatever reason that's the one area where my s evan has started to exhibit some twitchiness so i can't speak specifically unfortunately Dvorak has be specifically to the note 5 having any particular kind of slow down um Ryan sane andrea has one he's had one from pretty early on and as far as I know he's still absolutely enamored with it so we are gonna say from some of the others should get them on the podcast I might actually be the email i'm sending out after the show so the but from some of the other podcasters that i've done work with and some of the other tech reviewers I'm friends with like everyone else who's been kicking on the note 5 is still going strong as far as a hanging wall within the normal issues of like you know I filled this device to the brim with apps and services and it's running a ton of stuff in the background you would expect some slowdown in situation right so cool looks um there we go to say I think we're gonna wrap this show up on time yeah and I'm actually staying till the end which almost never happens so yeah Mr Wong could you would you be so kind as to play us out so we can wrap this pot I just had to start over the music but because I pressed in there button but there you go so that's how these things work I love it there it is so there you have it folks another episode of the pocket I weekly is coming on this show is ending but the conversation condition continues on Twitter where you can find Adam as at dead technology a Jules Wong is at Point jewels and I'm humbly at some gadget guy a pocket now is around the web on Twitter Instagram Facebook Google+ YouTube and our home site pocketnow.com we're basically everywhere 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