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phablet more on that in just a moment we'll dig into a couple of follow-up stories as well on the MacBook Pro and Blackberry ki 2 plus reach you and the bitter pill for everyone in technology that is the tariffs tussle between the United States and China the questions here how much will your next grade crust excuse me how much will your how much will your next upgrade cost you and will you be able to afford it plenty of questions to answer we've got a bunch of tech Rascals to give our best shot at answering them from pocket now and xda-developers it's episode 3 1/5 of the week blingy recorded at 3 p.m. Eastern on Friday the 27th of July 2018 this is the show that delves into everything that moves and is technology from smartphones to tablets and wearables it's the stuff you probably couldn't make up even in your wildest imagination nations as a kid I'm Jules Wang producer of this podcast and for one more episode the host favorite XD a pal branded and mini man hello to you hello and happy Friday someone's happy all right yeah here at 5 o'clock somewhere right always going to be searching for that clock to just move the hand over let's go on to our favorite martial arts specialist what's going on what's going on everybody I would really stop short of saying specialist let's just put it that way I appreciate I appreciate the kind words though I mean you have to be showing off all your skills man it's not just the personal brand it's also the services that you can provide to a whole bunch of people would be it enforcing or protecting or whatnot let's go over finally to the guy who is on our YouTube channel the most often it's Jaime Rivera how's your day so far our guy who runs the Spanish side of our video operations as well is just appearing behind Jaime for a second as he tries and shoots a couple of clips I had to switch between like three hotspots right now hello how are you I'm in on Buddhas we sometimes lose connectivity here which is the funniest thing third world thank you as we as we were saying while we were getting set up for all of this it's one of those Fridays and saying just that just now I'm a has disappeared there's ask the earth again yeah maybe you have to cross your fingers for just a bit here this is the worst just keep going guys try and see what we can do we'll be able to salvage things and make sure that we can get the latest out to you guys in terms of the news and some hot takes as well we certainly would like to hear your hot takes on the Twitter's yeah your thoughts your questions whatever you want in there we'll answer them Joshua is covering the YouTube side of things in terms of chat and hopefully we'll be able to see what's going on over there he'll be able to chime in with your relayed thoughts as well and if you can't make it live here on this program then definitely write us still podcast at pocketnow.com is the way to go for emails so any way that you can contact us and would like to contact us then please do so alright so um I'm going to defer to you Brandon minimun for a second here as he has a continuation of a thought thread that he made yesterday about the BlackBerry key to mulling over what Joshua has been saying in its defense so go ahead Brandon no no I think this is kind of like me joining your side but I didn't think I've been thinking a lot about what you said about the key to last week and you see you described very eloquently how you utilize keyboard shortcuts to like copy and paste and then quickly move between apps or the speed key and how the keyboard allows you to type with greater confidence and accuracy and then it dawned on me that the key to is something to be achieved something to master it's like a it's like an instrument that you need to learn how to play by spending time with all of its features and capabilities embracing its quirks and by doing so you end up with an experience that is in a lot of ways better than your typical candy bar phone so in light of that realization I'm giving the key to another chance you really had an effect on me yeah I'm waiting for the punchline wait that was it there's no no I'm giving it another chance I love the way he describes how quickly he moves around now he uses command C and command V for copy and paste is a command there's a lot of text that goes into a lot of places for me so like that's that's my thing like it Sochi if you're doing socials every single day you're typing a lots and you have to call from one place to another I do use buffer for all of my social stuff but still like I have to do YouTube descriptions and all that stuff so it really helps in that regard and also emails I mean pretty much every email you have you guys on this on this panel have ever gotten from me or in the last like month or so has been off the key to so interesting so you don't use Gmail you prefer to use the BlackBerry hub email solution no I 100% use inbox by Gmail okay and mainly because of its trips function that's the best thing in the world to me it's no nice how they do that exactly I use I have I have used the hub as an easy way of just seeing all of my social media like notifications and whatnot but that's about it here's the thing like like blackberry the other day I'm big on Instagram stories and I watch a lot of I watch all your Instagram stories by the way joshan just about everybody's and blackberry the other day posted one where they were like what's most important to you battery life or camera I'm like why are you asking this I know why they're asking it I know it's it's the the poor camera on the key to man like really like what they've you know I wouldn't mind a bad camera if this was like the $200 phone what does one have to do the other exactly like you can have boat you can have both in so many phones battery life on camera you know you know what the worst part is that the honor 7x is worth just $200 and it takes better photos at the key - did you see the honor 7x is on sale for like 160 now until the end of July that's crazy crazy these prices are gonna these prices are gonna feel like a dream compared to everything we're about to talk about it's like free it's like it's like a free phone yeah I mean I'm just bracing myself for what's to come in the next several months here but I think we should all be grateful for what we have currently and in terms of what we have for the keyboard phones especially if you are that kind of person that just keeps on typing and typing away then I think you might have to deal with what you get here so mmm just do them yield just saying adieu wheel yeah if you can afford that life which if you probably are in your pocket by the way that that like top socket yeah how do you do that everyone has one like do you really have you really committed yourself to a pop socket because I tried it for like a month and I'm like this gets caught on my pocket screw this thing like I just I don't really have that issue too often but I guess I'm more cognizant of it after using it for so long I've been a pub socket advocate for so long but this this will help for the creatives in the room right now having this here and being able to lay it down because of the kickstand this is your second monitor for your camera Oh totally that's great and I prefer the ones that are actually more like a ring poles instead of the socket hand because the Rings roll on my finger I'm not a big fan like this is so much more comfortable to me I mean ever to each their own Elsa wait way back in the day there were some phones that had built-in kickstand HDC even 4G whatever the heck it was yeah but you couldn't yeah but you couldn't put your hand in the kickstand you know as much as I would like to talk about kick stands here for the next hour you're running behind and we have to get things down here so let's talk about one of our next favorite phones we're at the future shall we let's talk about the note 9 and that claims that it will be coming out in early August because it was forced to and well because there is a lot of competition coming up in terms of the iPhone as is traditional because they always release late in the summer but also because of Chinese pressures - with vivo Oppo and a whole bunch of the just putting out great international products and seeing what they could do to Apple find X the vivo necks those have provided immense sales competition going on in the world so I want to know what's this this fortnight deal this rumor of having fortnight it hasn't yet arrived on Android it's on iOS it's on all the other major platforms but there's where they might be soon it might make the splash onto Android with the galaxy now nine and that will it will be exclusive for month just to the note nine so um I guess so why don't you talk about this one hi my first oh my god so I've got somebody called Sam I don't know if you've seen his gaming videos on our Spanish channel with shameless plug well I was trying to get to Sam but apparently he had some work so Sam yesterday was like dude dude fortnight is coming out on Android today it's coming out on Android today and he's like out of the blue he's we're working on the script for the day lien for the video and he's like no I'm like what's wrong dude and he's like dude we've got rumors that now it's gonna be exclusive for the note mine like WTF like I was expecting it today because he is like an anime he will not touch an iPhone Sam will not touch an iPhone like he does not want to and he's like oh my god I can't believe this so I don't know man I I think that it's a smart I think that it's an interesting strategy from Samsung the rumors are that not only will the fortnight be launched with the note 9 there will be exclusive that will have minja which is probably the most famous fortnight player he's gonna make the B part of the announcement through epic with epic games as well I think the ninja goes yeah I think it's a cool strategy from Samsung I just I'm sad for everybody all of us using Android phones right now pens for tonight's like really cool like my son is stuck on that thing we having good Kevin's gonna be on that thing no not the tech ninja exclusive I hope not but I doubt that it won't be we've seen exclusives like for example the razor phone launch with this with Final Fantasy I forget which version 50 other desktop yeah they launched with that but it wasn't exclusive to to the razor phone so Super Mario run was exclusive to the iPhone for a while yeah exactly this thing there are a lot of apps and games out there that have been exclusive to the iPhone that even remake droid it's kind of the same thing in kind of weird way kind of sucks but you know kind of makes sense at the same time I think it's great honestly because this is this is exactly the kind of stuff that I remember do you guys remember when when we were first getting into the smart like right before the smartphone era began companies like Samsung and LG would do partnerships with big names yeah their phones and I used to be like heavily into Korean pop music and this is back in like the early 2000s and every new LG phone used to be exclusively sold with certain people and certain marketing and certain celebrities as like the marketing strategy so I think this is a little bit in that vein so it makes sense to me I do like it and mobile gaming is incredible now floor tonight is just one example I've been playing so many awesome games it's on the oneplus 6 right now but it's a it's been a great time to be a mobile gamer lately no game will ever be as good as Titor I mean yeah for sure I mean I don't think it's a smart strategy because I wish that they would launch you know that they would launch fortnightly that day but then if you own a Galaxy Note 9 you'll get like an unlimited battle tas or whatever it is that you get the perks that you get just because you're in oh yeah I feel good that would be better than having the the game lock to just one thought it isn't only and is only the note 9 or it can it be like the way the Jeezy album was where it was every Samsung phone because if it's only the note 9 will that actually make people buy a phone just for the game that that and the fact like for example a shameless plug as well I'm working on for everybody that's been asking for after the bus to return it's returning with the Galaxy Note 8 this weekend and oh my god like this is not a phone for everybody that's the other problem you know but notice does that mean not the phone for everybody so you know I don't I don't I don't know what stuff I don't think it's it's the best idea but we'll see you know what there's a whole bunch of yeah go ahead please I was gonna say do you guys know how a phone identifies itself to a piece of software so I think they were like serial numbers are through the play store at least because I know that a lot of interaction goes through with the medium of the play store and like there are certain white lists that things like I mean we talked about this with the VLC app with Huawei phones this week to where they were banned from downloading the VLC app from the Play Store well yeah when I was going to say is that there's a piece of software and every phone called build build prop and that identify it's kind of like a startup file for every phone that identifies the make and the model the screen resolution and all that kind of stuff and in the past it has been possible to edit your build crop for example to take your samsung phone and say that it's a nexus phone so you get like google new Google features earlier so so my guess is that - once fortnight is available someone will extract the apk all you got to do is change your built your build prop to say you have a note 9 and then you can load it on I mean that's what's happened in the past that is true xD a fashion right there it's easy it takes it takes notepad and just very basic knowledge but it's yeah you'll find that when the Galaxy Note 9 gets released and then you get the how-to articles up and then LD what are the most impressive things it will be one of the most read things in the world by the time it goes out I mean we're talking about a company epic games that is behind fortnight and they're making hundreds of millions of dollars they've been increasing their market share in terms of this game and to not have it on the world's most popular mobile OS yet that's gonna be something to watch out for and to say the very least so we'll keep our eyes on this one in the meantime we shall move forward and go to something that's also somewhat related to the Galaxy Note 9 there's been some speculation about revolving around the latest announcement from Samsung this unbreakable panel when the Super AMOLED screens but instead of a glass cover surface that you have as with most typical displays you have plastic yeah where have we plastic before oh my god no I know you guys don't want to see my Galaxy s8 active man that thing looks terrible yeah you go ahead Brandon it's the moto moto force what does he force yeah it's terrible mode what turbo to was the first one that had that shatter shield and everybody's complaining about the scratchiness how easily it was scratched and they also had a little snafu in terms of the cover replacements because you could get those liners covered replaced for a certain fee and then they didn't offer it for the z2 force because it just wasn't economical it seemed so yeah I sense that you have a lot more to say about this Brandon I mean the the moto shatter shield was just if you look it's just not a good technology not only does it make the screen feel soft because it has like multiple layers of plastic and not only is it more conducive to scratches like super conducive to scratches but it also is like having like four screen protectors on your screen it blocks light the colors aren't as vibrant on a display it just makes for a lower quality display and like I don't I don't I don't know I don't know if you guys know people or yourselves have problem with shattering phone screens but like most people I know are careful with their phones or they use a case and this isn't a problem like why do we need plastic screens we used to have plastic screens back in the day they were terrible awesome they're also bad for touch response that's the other thing it reduces the sensitivity of the display increases touch latency just overall no for the plastic screens please so so for what I understood from them from the news it was more like this it's not a blend I don't know if that's even possible but it's not necessarily plastic there are glass components and apparently what you're gonna be touching its glass actually covered it on the daily just like we recorded it like 30 minutes ago but yeah it's a it's like if it's glass but there are plastic components that allow it to be indestructible for me it's like you know if for the things that I care about which is what I touch it that's glass I you know I'm all open for it I mean the biggest problem with with Galaxy devices is this curve you know putting a case on it makes it even more difficult because the lips to protect the curve is more pronounced so you know I find it to be such an irony for you to have such a thin and you know beautiful phone if you're gonna have to be protecting it with a case so for me it would be great to have a phone that I would you know not have to protect but I would I don't know man we'll see I don't think the glass is the best solution for the backs for example so why don't you bring that that whatever shatter shield material to the back instead which is what I which is what's most breakable lately and then you know the front leave it glass sure I don't know I don't know you know I mean our yeah indeed well we just got six man I should know that yeah the news article was based off of just the release so any insight that you can provide if it's from Samsung or from wherever else I mean that's appreciated Joshua I was wondering what your take on this story is I find it funny that our replacement screens not a huge form of revenue for these companies like but if if if the screen looks good the way that a Super AMOLED should look then I'm all for it like it's it's fine like it like Brendan said I I am careful with my phones to the point where I've never really shattered one I think I'm only broken like one screen in my in my whole career I've lost one phone and I've broken one phone like that's it's a pretty good record for a six-year career so far yeah so oh and that also does not count drop tests so let's just put that in a different category but I love that they were talking about these drop tags these drop tests they did 26 consecutive drops from about four feet and it's like okay four feets fairly average and that's fine but of course there are all of these different factors you could say that a screen is unsure of all or whatever unbreakable whatever you want to talk whatever whatever you name it but then you put it on a different type of concrete a different type of flooring a different type of jagged floor and all of a sudden that thing becomes breakable so I I stopped short of actually believing when claims like this happen because there's always a way to break something yeah yeah yeah and we keep name dropping Zak Nelson of a jerry-rigged everything but we need to have him on at some point just so that we can like get this all set step out and talk about Mohs levels of material hardness because delivery is just deadpan serious and hard on kind of just boom right right in front of your face I feel exact was just disappointed like in a good way like he you broke it and he's like oh I didn't want to break you like I'm sorry because the innovations great and the design is great well I mean progress only get you so far right right that's been it's bitterly boring with phone durability tests I mean like almost every phone that he's tested in the last like ten months has been fine and it was kind of cool actually to see a phone be destroyed I gotta admit yeah you gotta get that shelf filled up that yeah the Shelf of Shame yep just a comment quickly from the hashtag peon weekly on Twitter we're not a little apart you can place a glass panel on top of the plastic panel the thing is with an OLED display now attached to that glass panel it's easy to damage it when you drop the phone so there are a lot of composition issues and who knows if these companies will just add on a glass panel anyways to this or these Samsung because they own the technology you would presume but who knows if they will put another glass panel on it interesting case so it'll be interesting Joshua I know that you kind of cynically talked about the kind of this revenue stream from replacement glass that may still be the case so we'll have to see let us move on and talk about something that is the intent of a topic from last week so last week we talked about the we talked about the light and the company the upstarts that had 16 cameras on its first smartphone and that how it's gonna change itself with computational photography and what not so this time around we're gonna flip it to Sony who has been very very on it when it comes to image sensors for mobile phones and they have just a Bude the first 48 megapixel sensor the smallest in well just ever because that's how mobile phones work and there's word that it might potentially reach us during CES 2019 with the galaxy excuse me not the galaxy the xperia x z3 so many names out there can be confusing so we have given the size that we have here I wish there was the picture here of the actual rulers that measured out this thing but it's very small and when you're talking about fitting in 48 million pixels onto that space there's bound to be some sort of loss that you're gonna have diminishing returns so I'm wondering who's bracing for this the most Joshua would you like to start no you're interesting go first I I don't know I always Sony is always the one that says we've we've achieved to this high megapixel count and then you actually use the camera on their phones and it just doesn't turn out to be as awesome as they they market it out to be obviously the sensor itself needs to have the right software backing it up and that's when the sensor becomes part of other Android phones but while I'm excited for the sensor itself I'm not excited for the phone it's been a while since I've been excited for an experience ends yeah someone maybe some of my best memory is were with Xperia phones early on with the xperia x1 that's a cool phone that was a beautiful 48 mega I mean I um I'm cool with that as long as I can see someone actually use it to some sort of amazing ability like like put that thing inside of a pixel fort or a pixel 3 or something you know like this is the question that I have about this when was the last time that Sony brought their best technology and lot and launched it on an experience we know they don't don't they tracked like they what about the first 4k screen no but the 4k screen was but when I'm talking I'm talking about imaging it's their imaging technology never makes it to the experience first so my biggest guess and you know cuz I did cover some rumors I did cover some rumors so we've got you know two flagship phones that are coming up we've got the iPhone 10 plus which there were weird rumors that mentioned triple cameras might not and then we've also got the Galaxy S 10 plus or pro whatever they're gonna name that thing which is also rumored to bring three cameras now we know the amount of damage that the p20 pro has done that phone you know it's there are things about that phone that are just really hard to compare with any other device out there well I mean I'll continue on here's the point because they are so let's think about what this p20 poro has done I mean it was just that 140 megapixel sensor that our Adams Elaine found to have been really the difference maker in terms of providing so much sharp resolution and making sure that these pictures no matter how far away they have they're taken or wherever they're taken they come out clean crisp and better than even what the companion sensors have done to remember certain TV shows and movies back in the 90s back in the 80s they would take a camera like they were looking at like a robber or something and then they would zoom in to like their eye and then the detective would be like deep pixelate and but and hemisphere enhance enhance like that that obviously didn't exist I mean you can't create data where there is none but if you if the sensor was like like a tremendous amount of megapixels in theory that should be possible if you take a you know hundred megapixel image of something and you zoom in you should be able to get a tremendous amount of detail so times you should write like I mean it doesn't always work out so perfectly but exactly that's always what's safe is like when one has been the last time that you are able to do a hundred crop into a smartphone picture and be completely satisfied with what you see the 41 megapixel one oh wow there are times when it has been pretty good but it's not the most it's not a commonality with smartphone cameras that's not like the movies yet yeah exactly um one thing that I wanted to mention real quick is I'm just looking at the spec sheet that is here or just a spec table whatever you want to call it there are two things that really catch my eye here the front-facing camera can record 4k video which i think is cool I like that a lot and if there's good stabilization and the envy lens is wide enough because there's one thing I've realized about smartphone cameras they're always a little just a tiny bit too narrow they're never just wide enough especially for that 70 degree range that's very stubborn exactly and the other thing that I saw here is its Android 8.0 and then below it it says invalid Android Sony Edition indeed Sony indeed we don't give enough we don't give enough credit to Sony for being such an innovator in terms of AOSP and whatnot so I mean just to be fair it's there are do they are doing their part but in terms of making their own little thing happen it's well it's not really working out so hopefully things will change so much as the seasons and weather does hey because all right also a 1080p screen so it's a Jaime's point like the technology that they try to put out often doesn't even make it into the wrong phones so how far do you guys hear me by the way you were spending on the p20 Pro and then you just like someone I was trying to say is I don't think Sony's gonna launch that on an experienced companies make these announcements OMS have been playing with this hardware for a while we are set for an iPhone 10 plus launch we're set for a Galaxy S 10 launch I mean I think that these companies you know like another Huawei phone with that amount of technology in the camera can make even more damage so I'm thinking that probably Sony will just give this technology to their partners which is what they usually do mmm interesting well we'll have to see what happens with that as we move along here let's talk about well let's stick with Jaime for a second because I think there's a resolution to one of the previous problems that we've faced with the MacBook Pro 2018 and that is with Mac OS high sierra version 10 13 6 finally some resolution on the throttling issues in terms of handedly third probably third party applications and seeing how they handle under excessive heat or just being able to actually work properly in terms of making the intel core processor run and also just keeping it cool so talk to us a little bit about that and what your revised assessment if you have one is i'm still waiting for the next generation like should i pretty much stuck with a 5 year old computer up until the third generation of the current macbook pro just because of that so just a heads up there is a fix admitted to Mac OS high sierra apple made a statement where they discovered that there was a key within the within the firmware that wasn't allowing the computer to cool down correctly and so they sent out the update and they also sent an apology because obviously you spent three thousand dollars at least on this computer so that's so funny the funny thing is Apple could have said anything and you would have believed it they could have said the flux capacitor had a crack in it you would have been like okay they you know you know no I just listen Apple is just so bad about experimenting with technology oh my god they're slow to adopt like we're still using three gigs of RAM on the iPhone 10 man like seriously I do understand that they make very lean software I get that but that doesn't give them an excuse to cheap out on specific things just to be able to make an extra profit I get it you don't need the best than the latest specs but you know whenever you do don't screw it up yeah to that point that you made Brandon I've seen plenty of interviews featuring Tim Cook and I've seen how hit sometimes his eyes pop out and I'm just imagining him saying Great Scott while he does that so it's crazy all right so finally this in this part of the show at least we got to talk about the Nokia 9 and it's done a great job so far this hmd this global company that's trying to get the phone out again in terms of a Nokia brand and how do you guys feel about $1,000 phone from this company because here's the thing they do fast Android updates they do clean Android in general in terms of the look and feel and really it's just the hardware that's gonna be making the difference here and what we're learning from recent chatter I'm not gonna give it too much credence here but it's gonna look a lot like the Nokia 8 suraqa which we played with and oh you see it was a very fine looking phone very premium feeling phone that was approximately 700 800 dollars so I guess there is a justification to maybe move it up to that thousand dollar mark but then again you're playing with the iPhone 10 here and you're playing with the next generation iPhone 10 whatever the heck it's gonna be called so what do you think let's start off with you Brendan I think I've never used any modern Nokia phone that runs Android so I really I really don't have an opinion I mean the the eight Sirocco I think looks really nice on paper it the specifications of Awesome I just think it's a really beautiful looking device but like have you guys used any of these newer Nakia phones nah not on the regular not really and none of them are expensive that's the thing so I I don't think I I think that the product is a possibility but like they're selling point like no you remember the days you were running out of patience with this connection guys you're jumping between three hotspots and Wi-Fi it is just all right finish your point and then I'll say good I read it it's just they're not gonna launch an expensive dratted you they'd been selling well it's pointless yeah yeah it's a it's a weird off the strategy for an HND at this point I have over here back over here the Nokia 6.1 and it's a very premium heavy feeling phone I haven't been able to put in a SIM card for it yet but I like it it's run smooth much unlike some of the Snapdragon 400 450 chip with that like new fabrication that 14 nanometer fabrication that's supposed to be more efficient and more fine it's still chokes so having that over there and making sure that it runs perfectly that stock Android is there and it's lovely like I found it pretty good especially at that sub 300 price point so maybe what I didn't want to see it scaled up to that kind of premium level I'm not sure I'm not sure if that is the ethos of this current generation of Nokia but then again make a count though like that's that's the problem just like we were saying last week that what would a Microsoft Android phone look like well it'll look like an Android phone and that's basically what it is you got to give it something that is actually different no nine we'll have at least the s-pen and other phones have like wide-angle lenses or different lenses or something like that something that actually sort of makes that price point make sense and if this Sirocco $1,000 phone is just going to be just like a really sleek design I'm sorry but that's not gonna be enough though I will say this Nokia throwing in their hat into the $1,000 premium price point tier like it kind of makes sense to me because they want to like keep up with the Joneses in a way but the consumers are not going to buy into it just because it's an expensive phone I've heard people say I've had debates like this with people where they said if I have the ability to buy a more expensive phone I'm going to get it because that price point makes me feel like I'm actually paying for something that is premium but in this case I'm gonna hesitate to say it would be yeah and there's been some hesitation in terms of its approach to Android phones - I mean we've seen the getting in the door strategy of remix ting a couple of old Nokia phones of the glory days such as the 3310 the 88 8100 the matrix phone whatever you want to call it mm-hmm so and there's only so far that you can get with that kind of strategy it's been good for Nokia so far but again it's just about that mileage and you have to make sure that some point even though these are pretty good stable of Android phones you have to make sure that your product your flat there's a flagship product that stands on its own so that's the tightrope that is being played here I want to thank Brandon minimun for joining us for the time that he could it's been a pleasure and hey maybe we should make this a little bit more often should you come in hey let's do this again sometime okay we shall see you later have a good weekend have a good weekend see you guys see ya and as well like this is the worst I apologize it's I yeah I was about to say it's getting worse so I need to figure out what's up with the ISP definitely hi may I have a few more beers for me and for Joshua you have a great weekend yes yes in the amount that I've already had well make sure at the very least you enjoy it see you guys take care see ya there dude all right right so in just know where to which one to go first maybe I'll just there'll be like a freak thunderstorm coming in and it'll be alright and then you'll be the last one standing I'm totally available for whatever we need coming up it's good to know we got the hot takes out of the way so we do have a couple of a of the broader topics coming up or broader or them deeper dives topics I don't know what term you yeah I mean it's gonna be about how much people are gonna be willing to pay for the phones now if you thought that the iPhone 10 who was that but it's stretching that wallet sucking monster that it was at $999 or a thousand $149 if you pot the 256 gigabyte version well just you wait because we're in middle of a trade war if you haven't noticed we got this whole president Trump ethos of making deals and if not walking away and saying screw you everyone I'm going home here's a bunch of tariffs you go would deal with that and also just a whole bunch of politicking around it in terms of farm deals agriculture and whatnot but we're gonna focus on tech because that's what we do here so recently we saw a couple of products from Apple including the Apple watch the original Apple watch at least so not even the series one as Apple might have characterized it but just like the Apple watch sport Apple watch Edition Apple watch if you remember those names then there you go we also have a few fitbit's on this list and apparently all these are products that we're talking about here are going to be affected because they come under a tariff category that's going to be considered for additional tariffs anywhere from 10% as we've seen with aluminum aluminum and steel up to 25% for other things I think those would be for the agricultural products but again there's a sliding scale it's on a determined basis for each category and we should expect more phones more product what more laptops even to come under this very strict regime as we go into the next couple of months as these tariffs get but proved barring any situation changing in terms of the trade picture with China so I love that thing it is and I love that we have been singing the praises of Chinese phones at least to some extent over the last couple of years and clearly these these trade wars and these tariffs have been ongoing but it only becomes a huge problem once you put names like Apple and Fitbit behind it and you know how people are talking about it and it's just like well I mean what do you expect I mean like the u.s. already is not able to enjoy something like the p20 or the p20 Pro because of stuff like this because of the American let's say the the the ski the fried yeah the pride but also the ski business that they have around security and then on top of that you throw these these tariffs on top and now you know the the market just ends up suffering for it and then it's only when an incumbent it's only when something that is very established in our ecosystem like Apple when they get when they get affected that's when everybody jumps up in arms it's the funny thing to me yeah it precludes a lot of Chinese business from being done with the United States we've already been talking about with cyber security concerns about these telecom providers these a small way ZTE and whatnot getting dis done by National Intelligence directors and it's been this crazy that they were even talking about so there was a White House plan or some sort of national security plan but that was really it to the White House that meant nationalizing the 5g network of this nation here so that's all kind of conspiratorial this whole play against China has been and then you talk about well these Chinese businesses like oppa vivo Xiaomi they want to expand across the globe and they can't get into the US market which is the toughest to crack for these these types because yeah first of all again that schema snitch that you've pointed out but also just the fact that it's it's they're too used to you Apple and Samsung and those are the two names that you have heard because LG ranks a distant third in our market at like a 17 or like 15% or something like that and then Motorola would be next at single digits how are they going to expect to compete first of all in an unlocked market that still has yet to really develop and with carrier partnerships especially with that whole cybersecurity thing because we know we talked about that huawei mate empro getting at the last minute ditched by AT&T and so yeah there's so many different factors that lie in to this and you know one thing that I will say for the general consumer who is really into these ecosystems Fitbit Apple so knows all of these things that are very clearly stated to be part of these tariffs or at least affected by these tariffs now you know why you're paying so much for your tech it's not the only reason but it's one of the reasons and it's it's crazy that now we can actually point because I remember when $1000 started to be the breaching point for some of these smart phones we would pointed that and be like why is this happening and like we're really upset about it now we kind of are being given a bit of a reason it's not a good reason at all so what I would say to a lot of consumers out there if you're upset about these tariffs causing this massive price increase for all of your phones and whatnot if you are the kind of person that likes to get the new phone every single year I'm going to reiterate it seems like the magic number has been 7 for a lot of these phone lines if you happen to have any phone after the 7th generation of the iPhone the Samsung's or even the LG's at this point like you're probably okay like you don't have to feel pressure to actually pay this massive amount of money to get this phone which is getting affected by so many different things become so expensive that you have to take out a freaking mortgage to get one yeah that's t-mobile our smartphones are getting ahead our smartphones are getting better and because they're getting so much better you can actually you can actually it would be worth it for you to at least not go to another generation or at least you don't have to feel pressured to have to jump to this latest generation and spend all that money that's all I'm saying I will remind the listener here that t-mobile only covers the first $720 in any in equipment installation plan after that you have to pay that as a down payment AT&T Verizon those are the big guys and they seem to be able to be able to finance all of the total price for their things so I mean I'm not sure if that has anything to do with the situation as we go forward eventually you're gonna see that there's some price point B it but $45 per month mark or something like that that's gonna be really just I don't want to pay that for two years so yeah yeah and there's also the fact that ZTE finally has some recourse in the United States because not only has it started to get out of those punishments that it incurred while it was it was accused of breaching sanctions breaching US trade sanctions with North Korea and Iran businesses over there they're finally getting out of that and there was a fear for a time that they would come under effect of national defense bill where they would be blocked the defense contractors which are pretty much owe plenty of companies that you already know in the United States but they would be banned from working with ZTE or while we in terms of that getting supplies products of why not so that's all defend and ZT seems to be at some clearing point at some sort of end of the tunnel can we finally talked about the axon 9 because that has been one of the axon 7 was one of the most lauded upon mid Rangers of 20 sixteen in terms of what it brought forward audio in terms of this relatively conservative approach to Android it was 2016 so that was still relatively conservative and then they were also committing themselves to cleaner Android runs starting with Oreo which was supposed to come at the early part of this year and now we're kind of left picking up the pieces ZT is at least but we're wondering what the heck to expect at this point I mean how do you see this Josh I think that okay ZT is one of those companies that I have a love-hate relationship with because like I give them a lot of props for trying to innovate like remember the acts on em and yes the acts on seven was a very decent device especially at the time and I would be excited to see what comes next after all of these after all these sanctions that had occurred but the thing is will they even have the ability to to produce because I'm looking at this article and I'm just saying that you know sanctions would be lifted if the Chinese company would agree to pay a 1 billion dollar penalty and they have but they've paid up yeah so and they yeah exactly so there's the there was that and also a large amount of time that ZTE was not able to perform trades or to do shipments of their parts and whatnot so there's there's a ton of money that has been lost because of all of this because of this ski business as if that's gonna like the show title now let's keep it but basically I would be interested to see what their next move would be in terms of what their next device would be but I just don't see it happening for a while while they recover from all of this and I mean who knows who knows who knows what it would be and who knows what it could look like maybe it'll come out in China and we'll get some sort of so sort of look at that but as far as it coming here to the US I think it's gonna take a while for them to have the resources and the the ability to be able to do so comfortably moved and they could be gone as well because those punishments could come back into effect if we seem to do a move that the US Commerce Department doesn't like or perhaps it's just gonna be those tariffs that just nail them in and you know and you know what I I'm not going to get political at all but I I and and this is very doomsday in a way like it's very negative of me to say but honestly ZTE unfortunately might just become one of those companies that is a scapegoat and if there are ever any problems between the US and China ZTE might unfortunately one of those companies that ends up getting the brunt of the of the crap that the US and so at this point I'm not sure if Josh is I'm not sure if Josh is frozen or if I have frozen and I'm not sure if I've been we've been traveling in time for a few minutes or a few seconds at least just when I am I am I think we're back or looking either of us are back but I'm not sure hope you're you were perfectly fine for a good Montford for a good portion of that there but basically when I was what I was saying I don't know how far I got in that it's just I'm just afraid that a ziti might become one of those Chinese companies that is a scapegoat for the US government and for the US economy you know like if if the US and China trade wars end up becoming like a very long form thing then ziti just might become another scapegoat in that and the whole thing these things can happen again like you said yeah I mean it's good to have aspirations it's good to have phones that you want to look up to in to grab but in terms of being able to pay for them and seeing that slip away farther and farther every new cycle where you know one reason or another you won't be able to get this phone in your lifetime it's just it's just unfortunate and I'll tell you one thing when the axon whatever the case may be next phone comes out we'll have like internal celebration of sorts and be like hey cool yeah we'll be cheering on that one yeah exactly yeah all right finally this hour let's let's take some bets here so android p v Developer Preview the last Developer Preview has been released and we should expect it to come out in the next month the final version of Android P we don't have a final name yet we do know it's gonna be Android 9.0 but as far as any internal documents or internal source and goes on all we have had is pistachio ice cream at least in the like long name and then there was also the statio which was used in huawei customer service transaction in I think Poland so that's where that's where we have our sourcing going on here so far we know it just to figure out what this stuff might be by the way just one quick thing I do want to give a shout-out to the to the live chat I have been monitoring it and just just letting you guys know it's not that we don't read the live chat I've been reading at this entire time it's just that whenever a tiny little question might come up in the chat our conversation kind of naturally addresses it so I'm sorry if I haven't called anybody out real quick yeah but yeah the the chat has been ongoing there were a couple of them that I wanted to call out and then we ended up saying it anyway on on-air okay so as far as what Android P might be called why is pistachio like the front-runner like I've always thought pancake was gonna be one of them and then just as a Filipino there's a there's a little Filipino dessert called Palmer on that I would love for it to be so from my Filipino demographic here like you know in the Philippines Android P is Paul Barone which is all going to we're just all going to agree it's gonna agree that that's it and you'll like whatever the official name is you're probably just gonna fly to San Francisco tear down the fiberglass statue and then build one of your own a huge pop around Android Lupino gorillas will be taking over and that will be it at Mountain View like that's it I mean if it were up to me I would definitely consider a pancake I actually haven't thought of any answer myself I was just busy just trying to like put together okay so there's this and there's that and I have not taken the time to actually think what have I wanted this for me this is kind of a panin which in German meets blooper because I can't think of anything right now so I L miserably as a host in this aspect but you know what pistachios okay I like pistachio ice cream it's I don't know why well it's green the nut is green and the that's why the ice cream itself is green but still kind of weird to see green ice cream if it's not mint I don't know that's just me anyways well they're just further prove the point that we read the chats one of the one of them says well I mean okay you can have your opinions about Android all you want but two there is one person listed Android poop you know Oh peppermint was another one - peppermint I was thinking of peppermint I do think that pancake makes a lot more sense but whatever it might be what was it was a popsicle one also but that's not really a pastry popsicle yeah that's not really pastry it's a dessert it's a treat it's a you know why those sweet things but I mean I did hear but that once what was the the peppermint is well I think well if you were to go with the poop emoji because technically that's supposed to be a chocolate ice cream cone top like I think that would work out in some sort of demented yeah exactly well what would what would look good as a statue I think it should be part of the question right because I think a pancake would be easy I think a popsicle would be easy I think peppermint might be a little tough like what would you put peppermint candy you know it's candy cane mm-hmm exactly so that's why I think pancake is probably the that makes the most sense because it's just a big round circle that looks a lot like the Oreo statue and then it's just a lighter shade of brown put on a couple of toppings too if you I mean that's what the Oreo thing looks like I'm not the order of thing though now that I was thinking about the Oreo Oh logo that they had for Android before it was Oreo it was just the yellow and the white circle in the center this one's a pea which is you know kind of it looks like a candy cane shape with the the lowercase P and it has that striping in the center so maybe I think I think it would make sense to go with peppermints that's my I think that's good me my official bed 20 whatever man okay fair all right I'll put 20 down from pancake personally by will shake on it and we'll agree and then whenever it happens then we'll be paying out there we go one of our comments or said Pinocchio I'm like what are you eating yeah I mean high-fiber well speaking of the words that start with psi M we're still rocking my pebble one of the cum interest did say that but we're not gonna talk about that if but I will say let's get the naming right it this is no longer called a pebble this is called a rebel okay yeah and has been rather yep yep made from the offshoot of a pebble and credit to a Fitbit for keeping things going as long as they have been and allowing the courtesy of being able to offload this service the services side of things so one more comment just came in peanut butter mmm yeah I mean what peanut Brella will be the more kind of visible visceral kind of thing that you could see and touch and feel instead of a peanut butter unless you want to go away PB&J yeah like that interesting but hey we'll have to see hey it's been a nice show and it's been a nice week I feel like and hopefully you'll be under oh yeah exactly I was glad I'm glad that I was here to back it up on the other two who were I'm the guest and it's so funny because the two the two other hosts like bailed I can't fault them for not leaving already so I mean not again I just think it's really funny because like I'm having fun guesting on here as much as I am and there's just funny that was I mean Brandon at the bed bounce god bless them but you know it started late yeah I agree we did start a little bit late that was my fault I have my setup had some everyone's fault that's not getting let's share the blame on this one because I feel like yeah yeah it's it there's one reason or another end I'm not going to debate what those reasons are ah man well finally finally we have an announcement to make and I'm excited to be a part of it from next week we will have a new host for this show oh we've loved putting on for you since 2012 this will be one of many changes to come we certainly expect for the better with the goals of giving you more perspective on the ever-evolving mobile landscape as well as just us letting loose and having fun and making sure that you are - I've been very proud to oversee the weekly for the past four years I am grateful to be able to continue to oversee the weekly for the episodes to come but as you might have guessed I took on this temporary hosting position with the intention of it being temporary since the departure of Juan Carlos Becnel who we have nothing but respect for I kept the lights on and made sure that we had an interesting show every week so we've gone through the highs the lows together in a very short span but I pray that I've done my job of entertaining you it was a privilege to serve the audience that's you directly for the past several weeks you will know who the new host is by next Friday they are very capable very gregarious and have very good ideas for how we will evolve this show for the times to come as we say in our industry stay tuned and there's a lot more coming up be sure to keep the conversation going by emailing us podcast at pocketnow.com we would really really letting questions you need answered also we are all on Twitter with the hashtag P and weekly you can reach Brandon minimun at Brandon mini man Joshua freghar is at J V Tech T that's a tea 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