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episode 246 of the pocket now weekly is brought to you by mara a I technology has changed the way we run thanks to smartphones now even casual runners can map their roots create pumpup playlists and track their progress however taking advantage of all of these technologies has always meant stopping to look at your phone which means losing motion and momentum and that's about to change because now there's Mara a hands-free running assistant that uses voice recognition and the microphone in your ear buds to help you optimize your runs you can tell her what kind of run you'd like to do last questions about your speed pace or location or have her play albums and playlists from your music library Mara can also tell you how you're doing in comparison to your past runs or warn you about changes in the weather like if it's about to rain should leave interactive regrets by noting all of your hot spots and rough legs each time you run you can connect Mara to Amazon Alexa enabled devices and ask her about lifetime statistics and records you've said while you get ready for your next run visit Mara day I to download your free virtual running assistant today and we thank them for supporting the pocket now weekly now Before we jump into the show you may have noticed that we've uploaded two different versions of this podcast one with video one without featuring Jules hi May Ricky from gsmarena and myself because we were so excited to get our hands on a new gear 360 we thought it would be fun to shoot a whole podcast sitting around the camera so you could feel like you were really in the middle of our discussion now there's no video for this version of the podcast as it turns out that 360 degree video is kind of a terrible way to watch people having a long-form discussion when they're all circling the camera you're looking around like crazy but if you're that kind of masochist who really wants to see what the gear 360 can do in mediocre lighting you're more than welcome to click the link in the description below this video and now let's get on with the show so folks we're trying something experimental this week for the podcast in light of the excitement over the Samsung unpacked event we are in New York City it's this is an after dark episode where we're on probably a few too many alcoholic beverages and a few too many cups of coffee to present you with an entertaining wrap-ups commentary on what we we what we got to see today galaxy SI galaxy SI + samsung gear 360 what am i missing me updated here we are updated gear VR all right yeah within the club I don't really how much in the gear VR was updated kids like they said the Cure PDR controller it was unfit than you've blown right so we're still support always out there was at six which is nice but you know but but again I mean maybe maybe that one was a little more of a modest update no I just kind of catching up to daydream there but I so we're going to try this as we're going to be talking about these products we're using one of these products to produce this video and hopefully this works otherwise you're just going to be seeing an audio version of the podcast Stefan knives I'm not entirely sure we're charged and ready for episode 246 you know I'm not even going to get into I don't even know if this episode's sponsored so if it's sponsored I'm positive authors who might have contributed money to this rolling train fire Ragueneau a good idea to look up why rolling green fire can we please specify this time I'm feeling good yeah it is one what time is it it's 120 a tweezer and eastern daylight time am Bigelow but I really like the running joke today has been a app so it's 120 am three more hours and it'll be surprised and so we're we're going to jump in and kind of share our reactions I think there's a lot to talk about here even though some of this was a lot of this was sort of confirmation you know the idea that we knew a lot of this stuff going into the event obviously on one Carlos bag now senior editor pocket now joined as always plucky podcast producer mr. Jules wang so far joined by demand the myth the legend uh mr. I'm going to butcher your lesson via quit you guys Ricky via class from gsmarena and of course you never get mine right hi may Rivera from pocket now that was so high may underscore rivera and that's hi de rivera that's who he is so now I want to jump right in um obviously i think the videos that are going to be hittin the hardest for all of us I mean the content that I think most of our fans and most of our audience have been most excited about galaxy SI in Ricky I want to start with you we were having a lot of conversations about no form factor design and for what we do with Samsung going into the note 7 this looks like it's an interesting evolution over what Samsung achieved at the end of last year obviously that's been absent from the market what do you think about that translation do you think that they've updated it enough do you feel like this is a little too conservative samsung or do you think that this is going to wow people when they see it I think angle I mean maybe arguably to some of media people it didn't really well them but to the public I'm sure that many more people will be wowed it's definitely an evolution from it up seven because the note said one was a buildup on the s7 no 7 and was that symmetrical design ideas right yeah let's put then but note the s8 and s8 let's just takes it to a new level with that near bezel is design of the screen itself and and then just no knocking off the non edge model altogether right it was just as a domestic letter develop edges flat model so it's just become the standard for Samson now so it's a new page in the book for your samsung literally cuz it baby oh I don't know where my book accident oh it wasn't going to be right how you donated it to charity okay no I'm going to because you know where and on the article deal I'm going to steal an amazing job here because we're Apple would charge you hundreds of dollars to learn about the design process of their dads it samsung just gives it to you for free they're giving out of types of Embree but we're not sure if they're going to sell out to the filigree like next week i'm looking up on ebay to see if any of these are moving what do you come in here you're going to see if a coin you're gonna be on ebay but i mean like for how much you know and so so I like in talking about design and form factor because i know you hi mate you've been you've been a really big fan of the LG G six all right and so I know when we started talking about screen sizes this is like a big problem is now we need to find a new way to talk about screen size because when you change the aspect ratio you can't just say the diagonal 5.7 inch diagonal on the g6 is not the same as a 5.7 inch diagon to be 20 so that slight difference going from sa to g6 are you still going to be do you think you're still going to be in the same ballpark I mean that that impression that that you are really on board l Jesus this year do you think that Samsung is going to be able to kind of follow in their footsteps or do you think that that size increased is still going to push them out I think it's the future I well we we've experienced it with the t6 and the cool thing is everybody saw that right yeah it was I don't know we're talking about to the audio broadcast what did not have known lovely 60 video is such a head trip trying to figure out where this thing going on so I'm kind of so I'm kind of mixed over the concept of I do love the ideal of larger displays on smaller warm crackers we've been sharing our adoration of phones like the g2 exactly like watching companies like really try and maximize are you actually I feel that's the way to go the problem is that companies are doing an amazing job when it comes to hardware both LG and Samsung from what we saw today from oh we've tested with a g6 it feels really cool to use either of these phones yeah I can't even say obviously I'm a bigger fan of the way LG is doing it because i don't like curved displays mainly because of palm rejection right obviously this wasn't final software so we're not really sure if Samsung has addressed that I assume they have well but I had issues with the s7 edge and even just trying to poke around the camera app at the show floor today in holding the but I'm really nervous either the sm event so yeah when I was doing um when I because I got to spend a day with the SN an inch before i sent it to you at some video shooting from that and that would have some issues how I was holding the phone at the camera and so I'm even more nervous I never got to do the note 7 if I don't know if the symmetrical design would have messed me up one I just I need to hold on to something for three or four really aggressive days of shooting photos and videos and rolling around in the dirt and that was that maybe afraid that's why there is disappointment again I like the approach of LG because you know LG proves they don't need a curved display to provide ergonomics mm-hmm that's that's what they prove there's just no way around it you know you've got a grippy you've got a gritty trim got an amazing back that's depending on the color you choose there are no fingerprints to deal with right um but again it just you know you don't have this sort of this quasi ergonomic concept of less curved display in order to provide organ arm if you don't need them where's the proof that you don't and should hands back to me because there's actually script that I have to do the question of the question is is it the most convenient going to 18 x 9 or 18.5 by nine now we can ever to say is that it's to buy one I I got my guys crapping the comment because like I still was like it put it here by one displaying right no no it's 18 45 54 to 46 to won 18 x 95 no it's taking but no I name is the height of the screen level 80 pixels tall I totally wrote that wrong somewhere yeah I really pulled everything off gsmarena but the thing is the question is whether company is going to address the software part yeah because I you know Apple is the least efficient when it comes to design yeah but their software reach ability is something that I used all the time on the iphone 7 plus I had I use it all the time so much trouble trying to trigger the edge features on the essays because yeah that little one little pad on the side of the home screen and you know it goes kept okay one end let's come on get out well I didn't show the action on camera so I've got two video clips of the edge features being out and they're only there because I did it by accident and then I within a rolling video anyways like I fry me this shot anyway idea I couldn't really forgot there were at controls that's been since the s6 edge like I don't think it's brought anything you're the table anything else yeah but five ergonomics well we're still on a topic like I found it very comfortable to hold it's amazing that we're still talking about you know the Speights the facts that were how about different a courage that we have five point a five point eight inch screen I'm holding in my hand made it's just i but it feels comfortable I gotta hold it and it's comfortable six more inches the FA plus yeah I never thought that would be a manageable and manageable size but yes it's here it's real and you know I mean cut to the b roll baby I love is I was going to say anything 360 video I might be able to like I think on this wall over here able to like sneak in a few little video clips and we'll see how that goes um it's a different story music so because in following up on what you said about software I think that's my biggest concern with this form factor change is we only see these companies sort of dipping their toes into maximizing that screen real estate otherwise it's just a really tall screen you know LG's got the camera features you can do the side-by-side square shooting and Samsung has the mtm incomes and I videos free trade they've got the navigation trade you know I just I asked myself this all the time and I try to be as polite as possible but I'm like do they actually use these products before you launch though any have you ever have you ever tried walking you know going like crazy on a metro station right at a subway trying to find your like when I went into a gate at the airport its nautical today that i learned that google maps had a way to zoom in and zoom out with the one pressure on finger I had no clue so imagine all those crimes when i'm dragging right the my laptop and gear and everything in the stroller and i literally have to stop yeah i have to stop and find where I'm going because sadly the software is not up for me to be able to do it with one hand totally the only problem the only product i can do that with is the least efficient of the mall the iphone 7 plus 0 because it reachability because i was i was for a second era was gonna squeal he said you know the iphone SE know which is the perfect one thumb i'm here to figure it's one of those things where again i feel that companies need to please do that it's either apple owns the patent for each ability well i mean other companies have done things like screen shrink like Samsung actually has look what I like about Samsung's Skreet were trouble like a triple flip yeah different book try the triple click which I didn't try you know the problem of the triple click because I enabled it yesterday as I am is reactivating the s7 edge for you know the comparison and everything and I was like okay so it's back here it's great it's just triple click is kind of complex oh yeah this is one of those things where why do I like the feature on the iphone so what it's just a double class there's a double touch yeah it just slides down and it works way more consistently the thing i think about the samsung knows because you know we all make jokes about my stumpy thumb um is that you Michael can't reach across the iphone 7 plus a great the full width of this right now whereas if I can trigger screen samsung I know I actually do have a one once I'm interface there um Ricky what do you think about some of the people that have been criticizing potential missteps like I have concerns about the thin edges being able to hold on to the phone but I don't think that's a misstep but then you try and reach up to something like the fingerprint sensor and if you're right-handed I don't know that there's a way to hit that without like smudging up your camera sensor welcome I'm not going to interrupt you but I really want to talk about that really awkward it is is really awkward ennis to i would say i have average size pants I don't have like a mom don't have some small by hand but it's just even that the x8 you know trying to reach that is like oh I have to move like my finger up like half an inch more natural and if those si+ forget it yeah he even talked even higher up so I don't feel comfortable with the whole floor button foolish because now we have to fix B button that we have to trigger it's right below the volume control on the left side and you know how did you figure out which ones which if you're trying to reach into your pocket and you know do that like okay if you're trying to care in a rush it's it's small its tiny to just little divot and you know if you're you know what you might not be able to tell what you're touchin well I think it definitely it it what's funny is I think this is the first time in a long time that Samsung fans are going to have to relearn some muscle memory we've got a bunch of people that are complaining air comment about losing a home button I know I don't even think it's it's it's what customers really do I think it's what Samsung is trying to do i don't i don't think that there is a there is a more obvious approach to killing the fingerprint scanner right what Samsung just did right now we r SE I mean we can't very clear let me just probably you tell me this what is the design look any better with that button there I really looks again like they went for symmetry and I did that one it rings what even it's red even submit evil I mean I look at it and it looks like if something is looking at you with one eye fucked up at the other way I'm like okay like if you were trying to follow the mazda symmetry of the smile on the modhri and the reason why that car sold so much i'm sorry but you really screwed it on this is on his phone it's not for symmetry it looks terrible it is there to be like listen the buttons there and you even notice in the demo when they're playing the whole demo during the presentation right you notice that the model but but it's actually a mock-up drawing yeah the model has to re handle the phone to be able to press the thing so this is like you want a fingerprint scanner fight for it because we've got something cooler which is the iris scanner and facial recognition and okay I can I segue into these things oh wait Jules legal assembly at the shoulder I working double daughters like uh yeah well I remember si si plus I I did the video on that and one comical wait oh we know why the iris scanner didn't work on the page ah I'm racist racism I love it pretty um oh yeah it was back to the display especially sidetracking couple segments here is the on our group chat someone was like look someone to the mat and they were like what what equivalents ice cream what a 69 video look like on this 18.5 whatever admit r i9 display and the s8 comes out to like 5.19 something would you have a 5.2 inch screen oh yeah I know you can get it it was really close at eight plus it is like a 5.5 inch just like iphone buy something right so someone like it was funny because they put a link in it was like an Excel now for the curvature and well no there was a loss if you if you take away the curving size because you know the corners of the screen curveball to the law of thermodynamic he remove that if you hold the black bars of the 69 video yeah yeah what you would be left with is about the same size as the current s7 and s7 edge but so basically what they did was extended the screen added the black wires and then they can say oh look it's a five point eight inch means to 620 which crime I'm not sure what we're talking what we're going to talk about in terms of people going to apps and be able to crop the video link to fill in the hole streams what that means for consumer you know confirm two more videos I don't know I what's over example when I when I got the d6 one of the things one of the things that I noticed first was ok so it's cool you gave me a taller display but if you notice like I'm trying to remember what phone it was where the display got taller but it wasn't got taller they just got rid of the discoverer of the navigation buttons yeah and so all that real estate that you gain was actually the nav the software navigation button that there are right i think was the Galaxy Nexus something like that it was an old phone from back in the day right and so we get that same effect here where you do get a larger display but you will take some of that real estate with navigation well don't we think that's that's why it's an 18.5 as opposed to entertain by nine because that 80 pixels is sort of being eaten up by the software control the videos remember the software controls are not permanent they go away whenever you don't need monster I just wish that these companies were were like all right what why don't we figure out this like the pillar boxing is not going away anytime soon right you know I understand that software can scale towards smart toward smartphones but video is not going to scale anytime soon consumer cameras are not going to scale anytime so so here's YouTube is not going to change welcome you YouTube is a very is a very precious case for them right now where I actually think that Samsung and LG age is in the same boat I mean we shouldn't be throwing this on on samsung right now where I think those two companies will probably find an ally is with Amazon and Netflix because if you're doing film rips you can go and tell the app when there's letterboxing you can fill more of this screen in an 8900 18.5 by nine yeah aspect ratio display and you won't have pillar boxing even though the video file is probably 16 by 9 with letterboxing and you can just get rid of that black space the YouTube problem is going to be from so many people who have been shooting 16 by 9 video and where it fills the screens of our phones and it's not just so it's not just YouTube is what what we used to create YouTube video ad by night I mean I'm give me one camera that can chew an 18 x mine samsung nx1 and haha I mean that was off the top of my head and melted mdlz be 20 the lcg six endless you fix no no I'm talking about a consumer camera that when we use I mean well I mean that that's what let's see this is why I was I was so concerned going through some of the software stuff was Samsung has probably the best take on the market for you I for polishing up the UI especially when we're looking at things like cleaning up androids ability to split screen apps yes because I cheat the woman who's going for the demo with me she's just flying like sliding a video up here i'm going down to a text messaging app i'm moving these things back and all this in pre-production song and all of the preferential software and she's just fine and it looks so cool it looks whereas when we were trying to do the same thing with the g6 it's a little bit more cumbersome and it doesn't handle some of those transitions as well um but then you flip it over and you look at something like I'm not saying you can't do it I'm just saying I don't think you can manipulate the g6 as fluidly and with the same exacting control I over how you can video files back and forth scream train come back up pop up the key hours but it has everything to do with you I animation more than it has to do with capability I blow I mean those things go hand in hand though I mean so I'm gonna tell what it's like for as much as I'm with you on liking the LG g2x I think we both agree it needs a software up okay it's simple let me guess you can tell this PR I love I was actually happier with the pre-production oh is it final you can have those representatives do drills you know every day no no I like I get triple anyone I totally get your bike wait but listen to the flip side of that is like why i opened up the samsung camera app and it shoots a 4 by 3 photo which is not using any of the delay it's all empty black space and the fun thing that they have to show me isn't something which takes advantage of the hardware is we can do snapchat style stickers now if we can put little bunny ears on you at a little doggy nose just like snapchat you're like you know that's cool but if i wanted to do that I'm like I would just go to snatch you know the moments when they gave me that time I'm like do you really understand the fact that the people that are going to be buying this phone snapchat yeah the people that can pay for this one I really buy are not going to be on snapchat but anyways that that's you know going back I get your point and I i feel that companies i feel that LG did a really good job in trying to box their user interface in a way big advantage of the to buy one yeah good samsung could do a little more work but i feel that in general if we're going to adopt 18.5 by 918 by 9i think companies need to do more work oh and again just I'm serious companies the phone is beautiful both phones are beautiful but I actually need for you guys to come to New York City it's right out there as an engine backdrop tonight and i will i will give you the new york city metro challenge i will give you one of your phones and i will ask you to please operate these phones yeah under the ergonomics that you say you offer what we taught in a real-life scenario at for a potential pocket knife challenge like we have a series we would have a series of tasks that we would have to complete around like LA or New York and you're like the more we thought about it there's there's no phone that could succeed even own a test that we ended the I oh I see but job is like the closest what I thought it was like with the señor like an old blacken and again i am not saying that i'm not saying that this is not the future i'm saying that please I mean I hate to praise an apple I don't want to they're designed the iphone 7 plus is you know the the g6 and and the s8 prove that the the iphone 7 plus is terribly the humongous wasted space it's a humongous Lee badly designer am I allowed to say that or that copyrighted by mkbhd this really a wasted sorry buddy much too much are those two little too much space line mess up not enough stuff that other side of the state thing and so I you know again going back to the top again is it the future yes are the are the products very yet from a software perspective like no and not even close mainly going back to the topic of four by three photos yeah four by three photos and that's the standard for my three is the standard the temple it makes the most sense when you're making the image sensor to maximize the sensor to the lens well but but it's that it's the fact that it's the 35 millimeter yeah I mean for my dream to buy three yes very much the 35 millimeter shake shake film film shake and it's been that way for many years and I don't think it's going to go away anytime soon expert the industry will not catch up to this I think if it does it'll probably will probably go to square sensors but then you crop because if you think about it but swear makes the most sense for digital yes because it would perfectly fit a circular lens yeah that spectacles and get us where Charlie that's not a terrible notion it won't just had a high quality version of it not examine of it but no I tell me i feel that softwares which needed I prefer lately particularly with the essay you know I know you had a good experience when I came to to flying I I had a great experience with the phone and everything that was the basic scenario of a hands-on yeah where we play with what they say that they offer those displays are amazing oh I needed knocked it out of the park in terms of design they even knocked it out of the park all terms of the design there's just no way around that I mean that orchid grey phone but I you know I filled I don't know for how long and never did I use the chamois to clean it up I'm never did I use this champion that was like when I was student with the g6 is like oh I mean I can kinda see fingerprints but this isn't terrible like we think I finally figured it out yes I know any dollars on their phones apparently with the whole metallic multi with liquor Lou is this grey and like a little bit of a pattern and you don't have to worry about so I've been over before before we add before we wrap with the the galaxy phones because I want to get some of their other announcements and then just some of the other software features they talk about um Ricky I think we're already starting to hear that bubbling of like the more spec oriented members of our audiences that are like well yeah it's going to get back welcome a 35 or the new X and O's chipset so it's gonna be a powerful but we're still talking four gigabytes of RAM we're still talking a 12 megapixel camera we're still talking you know some some of these designs of batteries three thousand million power battery in a 35 hundred million of our batteries are we worried that because of Samsung's response to the note 7 that some of those we take it for granted that Samsung's all be going to be pushing the envelope on techie stuff that some of this might be a little too conservative for samsung fans out there Wilda hat that aside the techie stuff because X the Samsung right there and everything in the kitchen sink kind of confidence day well in so all this set is we have a 10 nanometer project is I'm not saying what processor would I think our both processors broke hello so build a well gsmarena says it's the Snapdragon 83 did you insisted on GSM Cara Maria Rodolfo's out there if you haven't checked out gsmarena they're a terrific resource for getting us back on your favorite phone um just so you know this is the dua believe every has weekly hahaha and we are not to put their vengeance and marina we show de sousa rosella from what I understand how is that most of the world is going to be getting the x announced and that select markets and especially any market that has to play with cdma is going to be getting the balkan chipset right but that across the board we're seeing that yields on that 10 nanometer process that they're still not getting the numbers of completed chipsets up to the kinds of yield they would want to mass-produce these phones so there were rumors that like Samsung might hold the phone for a couple extra weeks that turned out not to be true it's going to ship april twenty first of all they're they're just going to split play the scar city game you know oh we're tard out and yet are already going to be you know are they sorry pushback from of like a March yeah mom right is it doesn't sound familiar to what a pretty company does I mean well and I think this is like I think it's 61 in half a dozen another I think they legitimately are responding to market concerns customer concerns over the note 7 and I think that plays into a narrative that they can create scary to be at so many job site but I'm sorry just just to get back to that question because I'm kind of curious what your thoughts are we we exist with audience members that really do pay attention to that kind of stuff I mean the visceral debate and I'm sure you guys have to see it to the visceral debates between you know like the six gigabytes of RAM on a one plus 3t version of the pixel and they both have falkham a 21 and this one's obviously superior Oh with that screen resolutions terrible the camera is this throw more Moore's law here's my take on that if Samsung updated all of that they have to lock themselves next year who write so they have to save something to upgrade yeah and like isn't that what we used to q's Apple up but that's what they do and that's what Samsung does love now I couldn't cook and with this yearly cycle of a new phone coming out every year right there has to be some kind of plan absolution for the previous model yeah so at the next model you know if he told her come out every two years and if they did come on over two years we would probably see a significant spec bump but I guess you could compare that to apples yeah the major Elise's yeah because the other ones are refreshes yeah so in that sense then that makes sense but imagine it apple released iphone 6 and iphone 7 right and then I phone 8 i'm every two years and that's beside the point yeah it's just that it was just that you know the companies that have to save something for next year so this is what I think Samsung might be a victim of their own success is because look at what we've gone through with Samsung from the s4 to the s5 significant changes enhanced water resistance terrible design as 52 s6 we lose some features we gained much better design s6 s7 we keeps the awesome design get some of those teachers bag and where could they oh so now we're here I mean I kind of understand why he made a talking point which description right but now I like I kind of feel like our audiences are getting hit too this is an iterative update this is a major update you know and so when you look at something like the essay and some of the people that have been leaving comments on our videos this feels this even though the screen is something radical the phone itself still feels kind of conservative there's no doubt the s7 edge was a beautiful phone as well and I would you still use it I still have the years my personal is personal place yeah and I'm using just a gut rot at seven flat edition took on the table right now so oh you know how much better can they get you know like think about it now x 9 what are they gonna do yeah with that oh wait a display in various play six gigabytes of ram whatever make it fly I'm going to have wings I pop out of the olive oil on it how funny would that be like you can take your nine hundred dollar phone and it's a drone Joe out the body of a throne you just clip little propellers into the corner and the front and back cameras will be your selector that is copyright jewels wall Sam you gonna say that it goes pick about him I just when you beat me to the copyright law for that is best plug how about you take the cover it I'll take trademarks drums on BAM punch that in ICU right there yeah us a way you don't want to be Elisha gray in that deal and I want to be Alexander Graham Bell you don't want that situation I don't really in a situation where you know you want to watch yourself to get I wish that these companies I don't know that I wish that these companies would successfully pull an apple when it comes to eliminating the concept of the need of specifications and being able to pull a product that regardless of their hardware positions is great enough to deliver for years I mean today we were at a bar no today we were at the noodle place and the girl sitting down is rough iphone for us yeah we were on the train yeah you're like Wheatley I'm sure and anyone who's watching or listening this probably does the same thing like it used to be i would judge people like by what car they drove i mean that judge them but you would kind of try and get a sense of what their personality was like oh you guys now he's probably a jerk oh that's actually really like audi that's why i'm picking on out there oh so we're we sing on the drain and this girl just pulled out a pristine yellow iphone 5c in the pink dot case the other god like it looked like it could have been brandon brand new and yes I always wanted to go over and like shake her hand I mean like you're still using essentially an iphone 5 yeah well done I mean look at ariel a terrible iphone 5 is a terrible iphone 5 but but it's like if that's really all you needed to get what you have to get done there's like well done like a nursery hundred dollars but her whatever she spent you know I feel like that like Samsung as long as well as than a you know a lot of other tech companies go through this bubble where it's inflating constantly and every year you know like just so we talking over spec race customers eventually you start getting bored of this they're gonna start getting bored as they look home is the same you know what else can they do were they going to have nine streams that are like this long you know so but eventually customers are gonna start looking at something else that's going to be like constant mental be dating do we think that big speed could eventually be some kind of solution to that like if we're having smarter interactions with our phones then maybe people care more about what software services can do I mean if Samsung's preparedness is an indication it didn't think that at all they're not earlier but it makes me dizzy voice is not available oh my god in English 60 oh it's available in Korean known as big so big he is this hey Bixby capture this and send it to this okay have you have you ever managed the amount of steps it takes you to take a screenshot and share just a lot a lot of steps no snap or on a galaxy it's if it's a galaxy yeah cuz I thought Hannity say yes but ok i will share buns right on this yes but then it automatically creates an icon on your notification tree just slide down its share you choose food one right now share it doesn't stay or do you know it's just the concept of bixby is cool it's just how is it any better you know it'll it'll help you you point your calendar you know we go back to that concept where i'm at flatiron for example they use that example yeah they use the example of being a flat iron and I get there and Bixley is automatically going to suggest restaurants then I'm like you know because these companies the thing about IOT and the thing about sorry no I don't people the thing about me it's really I for example you saw it with the HTC Quebec sense companion yeah it is literally a product to sell you something I mean way to Amazon's big it's literally the whole concept of you going to the htc's a lengthy and it's full of sponsored content yeah like II just charge me seven hundred fifty dollars for this phone and you want to sell me ask and so here's the problem can you guarantee that the suggestions that you're going to receive from that service right are really the better ones or are really the ones that pay these companies to be in the ad that's the problem that's what I love about google and even then Google will have their sponsored content at the top right but you still get the result that you early the results that you were looking for whereas we can't control what these companies are doing yeah you know we really can't at least the problem is that these companies want to become they want to figure out ways to monetize from different areas because their job is simply to look good by shareholders yeah and sadly that is not necessarily what consumers need there there there it's a it's a solution in search of a problem I I feel that it is it's I i I'm like I don't agree with you I would take it one step further it's like I don't feel that it's even a solution in search of a problem I think this is just their monetization or surprise are there creating problems to create solutions all right i mean like I've been watching manufacturers you seem a little hulton catch fire that can't dance okay it's a show about like people in the making computers in the 80s okay and one of the things they come up with is like someone accidentally creates the world's first computer virus and it instantly spawns a business right because you create the sickness you can sell the curator of words and so I kind of feel me like your point like I don't think it's nefarious in that I don't think anything in capitalism is more realistic or a moralistic when we're talking about just we want to generate income for our shareholders good work this is a business tactic that they're employing um now what I prefer to not do business that way I would prefer not to and I think going back to some of the things you're saying I think that's where Apple has I like a business moral high ground in how they treat their customer data where the product is the iphone not the consumers have similar to the iphone not many children so I don't know an i play with vicks be a little it's pretty much google it tries to be blue now it trying to get treated you know I really feel like I'm allow my half of an bixi review done yeah freakin I would say I guess hey uh miss be like good friends references to Cindy community and say hey Bixby you have to hit the big speed but another day I have to push the Amazon Alexa laughter automate not gonna take your type for everything I would you let me go I want to message drew you know hey I it's funny it's finally made its funny when they give us these presentations about a yeah I'm serious for our galaxy s a book review what I'm what I'm most skeptical about is actually playing with quickly yeah as I was with the Google assistant when it came for the way it came for because this is the problem with with your average youtube commenter they will be like it me now pay attention you any anything that's not anything that's pro apple everybody in the conference hates everything that's against google or android or samsung or whatever everybody in YouTube hates and so here's the thing you know I'm doing my review I'm doing the comparison of the pixel with the iphone 7 and I'm like okay so you're telling me that this is the google assistant you named it an assistant that's the name you gave it what does my assistant do it helps me do things okay right now the only the only assistant and theory that's capable of so many maneuver or actually doing things for me at the time of that comparison brent was series the Google assistant is still in diapers in getting third-party developers to actually connect with us and you can actually booked a table with opentable or get tickets with Fandango or whatever and so so long as the service isn't capable of that all we can do is set an alarm that's behind you do something and that is pretty much it and so I'm like is it really assisting me with something that is not and you know at this moment there is only one reason when i use the google assistant it's when I get in my car and I'm like take me home and because it knows it knows right where it is yeah or could give me give me driving directions that I said miss that is literally all I do I don't use it for anything else and so the problem bixby is that the fact that it's contextually aware the fact that it knows what it sees on the display does it really solve something for the user does it really do something this this is where I mean to play double that me did I agree with you I have a place to play devil's advocate um and this is where I feel like even google has made a tremendously serious misstep in how they've been talking about Google now Google assistant um especially this weird move from google now to google assistant at which as far as most people are concerned is kind of the same thing it just has a prettier interface they just don't talk to each other yeah and so that's really whole it's like messaging androidland right now only transitioned right forever but that's a whole different comic Sosa just like this notion hear that bixby being a software layer on top of Android created by Samsung contextually aware it knows what's on your screen it can look up what's what's in front of your camera can it can sort things out more organically hypothetically hypothetically because if that's their claim we have yet to be able to set that claim um they're also just selling its potential because a big part of what they're saying is that eventually developers will be on board eventually it's going to accrue enough data about you yeah to be better making these recommendations waiting so it's um and I need to do that and until one I kind of feel it's my role you're getting to play with all these gadgets to inform people what these things do now today yes and that's really I feel like where we stopped at this is what you're spending your money on oh but what about these other things that are coming to the I thought they won't come from when right now this a bone they might come they might not come but right now today this is what it does we'll do a video is it comes it comes and maybe we won't and sadly from at least my experience particularly with Google is they announced what things it can do in google i/o they launched it with their with their launch product and then we don't get to see anything until the following year young they're selling you another con yep and and whether or not we can even pressure developers and manufacturers to develop updates for the phones that are currently out on the market but to your point gut bixby a big point of your review is it's like grow them out or it's like Google yeah yeah so what consumer is ever going to go back when bixby gets that hot update get two ton of new features who no one that's bad be too late by then but I've identity will have forgot about exactly I like so the same thing is that happened with Google assistant and I really feel me personally there is no evidence to support my assertion near that the main reason we have a google assistant was for google to add some of these features if they had just dumped it into google now no one would have noticed but by rebranding it well now we've got people talking about this new piece this new piece of software that lives in a low and is a part of the pixel and does these new download what is this but there's little room there what did anything you need to share document on out now but what the wait a second do so it was yourself dating like let me understand this your review roads for a living let me understand how can you survive in the life of a low when you can't walk we can't have your account on a different phone that I did it it was asleep or that you know I would like to be able to send my wife a text message through a computer with the only people i had on a low when i first came out or other youtubers or other like technica chambers widow whisper it's our job to testes I'd our job to switch phones everybody every other day yeah and reconfirming the phone number in multiple times with reconfirming a phone number every time I wanna let me to Alice not fun and you lose all your chat is not even cloudy so so so again I think Google has a humongous problem in their execution strategy right now because I mean look at everything that we've talked about Google now Google assistant Google a low their meds a problem with messaging we're talking about a new feature has to wait for the newest version of Android the only poem is going to get that in a timely fashion is the next Nexus / pixel and then two years later Google is already announcing a competitor to the product that they announced a year for which is only then just making it to a samsung yeah okay so anybody remember the launch time frame of the pixel lost having there was October 21 first ships okay months November December January February margel out to be six months it's about to these six months and how many companies are rocking android senate dot one with the battery out tonight not any kind of thing i was a bracelet right now i can make only 11 plus what there is sony has that heaven won so be over the only company the only other company that's rockin 7 dot one right now is 1 plus but computer something oh my only cares about what I'm i honest to god well but I mean we're not so sort of trying to me don't care about sorry the point the point being is my god it's a disaster yeah it's literally a disaster so I mean when people get frustrated we're talking about like things that Apple does well it's because I would like to see some of these companies start executing with their products in the way that Apple can sort of drive their own market I kind of want to wrap up real quick because we we've been sitting here for a while now we've gone through a couple rolls on to this is the or 360 s um this thing this thing runs really well I'm hoping this video is going to come out looking looking halfway decent for 360 degree video sound buy pre-owned it didn't start to Overton at 40 minutes it's just under 40 minutes so that's just something to be aware of if you're running really long you may be getting a faster memory card memory card near my house but also it's also set to 4k a week oh yeah no I mean like its end of shooting super high-resolution video from two cameras sensors in a tiny little body i'm not i'm not saying like that's a deal breaker don't I to be aware because I think if people are looking at this as an action camera I mean like you know when we did our drive back from Vegas we ran for two hours on a boat but it was the memory card but I am a time and I absolutely great think that'll help and then I so I had a plug to charge so it was charging while it was it it's fine I think it's nice but we've all had a chance to play at least a little bit with the gears 360 is the redesigned the newest version of their 360 degree camera and just just real quick i mean like Ricky's let me start off with you um what are your thoughts I mean they don't have the little handle tripod anymore the overall form factor is a little bit smaller so I like that it's a bit more discreet its significance well actually I have the other one in my bag all right over here but yeah I do like that it's got a handle which they can put over your battery they don't know how to slide out battery yeah that's right and well I think that means the sphere bigger like to have the engineering on that was it I thought I saw it up there a funny part there I'm gonna walk around everybody 60-degree videos an exciting room I probably know your area hard on it back oh they keep my cell phone I wrestle I don't think I brought it bring it I coulda sworn you had it like in the kitchen gear as we were no know how to figure out the yeah go on no I mean I thought you had your old one oh na na na na mad river to show up all over 50 school dependent I did not bring but football but we've got a great okay it's not the one time I think the runtime is adequate considering what it is that we've been running this thing through for so long but um the way that it pairs with phones that are not Samsung so this is this is still pre-release we're running on a beta app I mean I've got to connect it to a galaxy a7 you're using a seven energy but it requires Samsung's accessories protocol with a white list of only Samsung devices and eventually it's going to get support for the iphone but i feel like in a peripheral or an accessory that can connect to an android device this is an opportunity for samsung to reach out to people who are using other phones where instead I feel like they're using it as an accessory lock in walled garden right kind of thing they're playing an apple I'm sorry I hired it's like they're trying to force the brand ecosystem lifestyle of Galaxy devices but I'm not going to hold it against them but they're genius i mean it's their product idea they could do whatever they want and it'll hold you in a verse why but no this is the frustration of reviewing I mean is used more time with the year s 3 frontier and when I when I did just sort of the initial first look last review I really wanted to see like they advertise that it works with other devices it was kind of hamstrung they trying to get it set up and I'm disappointed to see a camera system kind of fall into the same trap you know I think that Samsung is just playing it as what it is these are like iphone cases and iphone accessories you know these are they want they don't want to show they want to tell people that they don't want to share it but they really want to lock people into their ecosystem yeah it's literally you know I think Stephen Elop set at best it's a war of ecosystems yeah it's no longer a walk products and if they open up their products to other ecosystems it just makes it stucks giving people a reason to remain locked into the samsung world so it makes sense well I guess like I i guess the concern I have there is the one idea would be this could potentially dilute our market for samsung devices so someone might own a galaxy phone get this galaxy camera and then not be afraid to buy another galaxy phone the camera works with an HTC or it works with an LG but my feeling is even like looking what we saw from the note 7 debacle no one went out and got LG's no one could have got HTC's they went from a note 7 it predominantly to a galaxy s7 edge or not seven they still have it or you have a review about I just kept up so I feel like they stand to pick up more people who were on competing devices then they stand to lose by trying to be restricted with their ecosystem yes but that's that that that's a good example of hey but I don't think Sampson was expecting that and then and I'm pretty sure they weren't planning I thought I don't even calibrating more cuts is there anything i don't i don't think samsung i think that this was the perfect time for samsung to realize just how loyal a customer base they do have yeah wherever they do which is great it's awesome the thing about it is you know regardless they are trying to build an ecosystem why launch Bigsby why create the whole concept of decks that we haven't talked about all right why do I create all these things just think about it just go back to Apple why the w1 chip why is it only practical to pair of these ear pods and and beats headphones with iphones right Billy we're not saying they don't work with other product they do it's just a nightmare to how to work with other products online because they they are not in the business of selling headphones Samsung is not in the business of selling 360-degree cameras they're in the business of selling you how much money do you think they make out of an accessory well but that's also part of it if you're making a product and you're putting it out there and you're not making money on it then I think you've done a bad job I I think this is not just some sort of flight of fancy this is a fun little add-on this is a fun little ad junk that helps flesh out a part of the ecosystem this is gonna be too expensive for it to be to some sort of whimsy purchase so there are companies out there legitimately making their nut on making really competitive mobile 360 degree camera systems are going to be playing with a Kodak we're going to be doing a review on the ins get into the air 360 all of these things nikon has won an ipod is a camera company they are making a camera solution and some samsung is walking into a market which HTC fail that yeah i'm not bugging out think about it i remember what google launched froyo with turn-by-turn navigation on google maps yeah how long it took her google maps to reach the iphone with this functionality listen you know best this is the weather plane was Google Maps making money if you think about it I dunno if companies that actually pay to be able to use them make systems of google gps tracking companies but Google head you know Google actually did not start charging for the usage of maps until like three years ago think about how long Google Maps has existed yeah so it wasn't really a project to make money in the beginning right but it was an immense logging nobody can imagine navigate around of York City but I've good the main I what I'm getting at is google product is that Samsung's product is hardware Samsung is not a services company they kind of think so so I just I just think this is backwards I think it's backwards if they're saying like we're going to try and lock people into the ecosystem with accessories so that they'll buy more phones and I think their land to buy to some more phones every company is all that you have data in 40 lakhs you want to take it in and then they want to put it into something whether that be four where would that be four other proprio I don't disagree with that but looking at Samsung's financial sheet looking at their orderlies however much money they're making on data information and services paled in comparison to the quarters that they represent with positive growth on smartphone sales and that if they have an accessories division and their accessories division is losing money or they're not making money on it then they're making crappy choice because buzzer goes off reading about its money on again the girls Everest feelings and they've got the are they don't have the result they've got the RNG they've got the potential and they want to create an experience they want to create an experience of owning Samsung products again Google Maps did not make money initially for google but it locks people into using google services I get that these these businesses are not going to make money initially how many companies start a facebook I mean how many companies started as venture capital funding these companies were not but we're not gonna have made by a moment we're talking about it'll pop up tablished yellow you can't see this product that for one smartphone selling company on the plan and you said its smartphones selling they're not in the business of selling really and make oh but they've been in the camera market for a year what is the narrative cam they are often I said outlet camera companies killed of the fish in math that they did no I know they killed their DSLR division but I'm not saying that that was the only camera system that they ever made they were making their own camera sensors they were making their own pointin truth they were making their own other things and again period work but but again if if this is indicative of Samsung performance and we're making fun of the NX line dying and we're making fun of their point and shoot cameras dying and we're making fun of their smartphone phone sensor cameras dying then we've already written the death knell for the 360 well the day I did the data to show their way this in terms of what about Samsung's of that and being for camera we're trying to find logic / why the company is making the experience of using their product compatible with other products so trashy the set C in the beginning it's their product they can do with it whatever they want and in turn saying that what they want to do with it is to kill it I Orton had the chance to flourish I could enjoy watching people who watch this podcast what I need you all to do who is well now that's it for this podcast is almost over I need you to watch it all over again while live streaming you watching it is a reaction video so that tools can watch you watch a 360 degree come here baby birth twirl okay keep it swirly folks hashtag oh my god really you let me know getting getting away from getting away though because I do actually just really quick and I want to get back to you of getting away from just like the company philosophy and my gripe about this interoperability just what do you think about 360 I mean you you probably shot more video than I have I did that one little woggie thing in the middle of times n times square yeah um what are your thoughts because you've got to spend a lot more time with the older 360 than I did I did and I if I'm honest this is kind of a step backwards for one reason oh do tell because because the full of this bulb here of the camera is much smaller than the other one which was probably like like that much bigger right here so it means that the cameras are pushed out further okay so holding the little tripod legs underneath which works in ER um you don't see your head as much but with this grippy thing and this big report button you see your thumb in the frame right all the time so get a selfie stick if you're going to use this so yeah you know design-wise I'm not impressed because of that reason that your hands in it be ergonomic good yeah this is here you're not exactly the ergonomics and another thing of complete isn't from the design of the new 260 is cool is gauging how much 360 content is being consumed is it a growing thing it are people exponentially right now our people increasingly watching more 360 video or to just something that's novel it be that they use with their in bumble gear gear VR that they don't runs after two weeks yeah or their their LG friends use it for two weeks I like what my daydream was used for exactly 15 minutes until I was afraid that it was going to explode on my face it was all I've been then I stopped yeah so so I mean like because because I I try to find novel things to do with technology and I I respect the content creation that's going up on YouTube yes and I actually do have I started one of the bigger 360 degree photo and video a clubs not clubs what's that word I its name like 42 43 in the morning and I can't think of on google+ you have our community community today and so it's got all of like 200 numbers of people that are out there like basically just pimping their own 360 videos and stuff and and again I don't think we've gotten beyond you know when film was first invented you would go to a movie theater to watch a static shot of a train rolling by the camera and that was the most amazing thing people have ever seen let me ask you a simple question a simple question what if some of you were to where you be willing to pay seven hundred dollars for a pair of shoes that would be obsolete the following year well I mean obviously know maybe if you're like okay so that I think that Apple is it's so ironic and it's so stupid but it's so true the software update concept then Apple plays is probably their most genius move into becoming a lifestyle brand genius pun intended yes because if you think about it they never think they offer you a product right that will receive up every you know the same dated an update launches you will receive your update that same day I'm even at that product is four years old but so it literally becomes like that awesome winter jacket that you just don't want to get rid of her those boots that you love yeah I mean yeah it's been something that we've been we've been very concerned with an Android land because of phones that seemed to lose support very quickly or they're not getting updated in a timely fashion I just means there's something also to the psychology of a certain type of consumer so if you ask me what I spend seven hundred dollars on a pair of shoes that are only going to last one season and we're talking about seasons in terms of life fashion and style you know like it was anything my wife would turn up her nose at a Louis Vuitton purse knowing that it's going to go out of fashion very quickly and that it's you know it's a two-thousand-dollar purse but obviously the market can sustain consumers who need to be a part of that kind of brand exercise right okay and I think Apple has gotten closest to turning a tech company into something that's appealing to that kind of consumer and I think they're gonna they're going to double down on that premium market with whatever they release this year I'll tell you this much I mean one of the main reasons where I you know I have specific brands that I used I don't use the amount of brand loyalty I use them because I know that those shirts and those jeans are going to last spring runners that's that's that I'm back in a pair of 501 that's the EMA 568 sec receiver and I'll but we ain genes they have leading to you Martha the whip aah jewel but you know I feel that that this is a transition that come I mean why is it think about it if you have if you have to compare Samson design for the past two years yeah pretty much three generations vs apple design for three generation what what company is doing a better job when it comes in other Samsung and yet so why is it that people cannot relate to Samsung as a as a bank of japan through innovator as know as well actually that's the problem is as a saturated triggered as people relate to a part of the way why doesn't it happen you know I feel that these companies need to work more in you know doing the mazda effect i mean one of the major things that must have been around 20 years ago was that they started with the focus of their building cars that people that will last people way beyond their five years or of you folks i mean i think i mean i agree with you i think that is a big component of creating brand loyalty but i think that's something that were more apt to care about rather than some of the marketing messaging which i think gets people more emotional about these purchases cuz we can all sit down and rationally say like if you spend four hundred dollars on a premium mid-ranger and eight hundred dollars on a flagship are you really getting four hundred dollars more phone and we can have that rational discussion and get people and a lot of people that enjoy our content will have that rational discussion but there's a person out there who wants to feel good about buying air quotes the bestest and that's coming with a price tag and that's what i think google actually made the better play at the end of last year with the pixel there's nothing about that think they don't leave a bully they would have made in a pretty phone book that's it so let me but look at what happened like the mo successful sales exercise that Google has ever done there's nothing about the pixel that really is different than having called it another nexus yeah it's it's evolution over the Nexus line with a couple color options and a price tag to match other premium players and suddenly they were taken far more seriously as a consumer solution yeah so Samsung I think still has the right conversation as being the alt brand yeah but I don't know I mean to your point I don't know what can transition them into mainstream and I don't know that any Android company can really i think i think there exists a winner and an underdog and that's about as much as most North American consumers want to entertain and then you can have other people that are for more counterculture the LG fan the HIV fans the fall wave bands but they exist on the fringes and if you try and get into like a TV news room like we were you know you you ran into my buddy rich yeah really and like I've had conversations with his other reporters and they don't care about anything but Apple and because they know their metrics are only going to be moved by stories about Apple yeah in a local news and if you think about it okay I feel that these companies need to do a better job in addressing their consumers as the whole experience which we're going back so they'll come bringing them into the fold so a little too what does that will do okay the most common thing I'll give you a particular example of you know where I'm from and I'll do that's the most common thing that I see from any person that owns a galaxy is a smash display why why why okay supported is it no no no it's not just getting some air do you know how much replacing up this a samsung Display cost oh ho words you so pretty much the frame of the phone is for display yeah it's 250 bucks just that that portion alone so people you know if I but what happens if you break an iphone display right now it will cost you a hundred bucks if you want the original an apple store yeah so I'm not it's just the total cost of ownership of a product you know because obviously we live in a bubble as in geeks and as reviewers we live in a bubble remember last time any of us breathless but spent money on smack and I'm sitting on four cones right we are really we're really you know however you believe the worst case to judge but if you look at the average consumer those other eight friends that we have that aren't Trekkies not the two friends that we have that are those other eight people there are some that are focused on the brand and you know it's hit to have this and everybody has one and I'm going to have it but then there is another very big chunk of people that just want they just see it as a total cost of ownership right how much am I going to spend where am I going to get the best support how you know and probably they will jump they will try and many of them live with a galaxy s4 oh yeah we will get back back and so then what I think is so interesting is that how this narrative has almost completely reversed when it comes to save the Chinese market yeah where Apple doesn't have that reputation they don't have that total cost of ownership when they are priced enix exceeding contrarian prices we covered a story recently where shares in the smartphone market in China that apple's share is diminishing it's in that there's sort of is being built up like they're still selling well with like refurbs of two year old phones but that their overall chunk of the pie is getting smaller and smaller and it's no big surprise and you've got home players like Huawei and elbow and jemmye and VTE that are making those that look just as good and almost my physical and we know we know how companies do business in China if it's a Chinese company versus an outsider on that for those local consumers I think they genuinely are significantly better buys and if they're sensitive body that you can also see level for practice business but I don't know so Ricky why do you hate China so much excuse i sealed you remember when we said now i feel that making a pretty phone is not the only stuff of companies need to make in order to gain brand loyal so the net I mean I think and to kind of put a bowl on is because I do want to move on to view of the other thing we're going to say about this blue glass but let's to put a bow on on that idea before Ricky has to say um that's I mean I think a lot of companies have missed I think motorola falls into this there's cool and there's more stylish design that's not what makes a lifestyle brand you know if you buy an expensive watch it's about being a part of a club and is I'm something exclusive and also knowing that it's a premium product and that maybe it's an heirloom and you can pass it down to your kids and their becomes this whole universe or any like driving a classic car there's there's a language and that there's there's something that's a collector's idea behind that and so it's about building out an infrastructure which I don't think you can do in this day and age if you don't have some presents on the ground and you can't count on carrier stores know to do that for you but whatever one of those constricting the shop spruce just because they don't want to focus on now we've generated phones with cutting or walk oh yeah if you're keeping keeping inventory what and when you know that like if you go into a verizon or an AT&T store that those reps are probably getting bigger spliffs on accessories than the phone sales look it's it's like Samsung and Apple and then and then something over there so tired Ricky I don't call them up so back to what you guys are saying about lifestyle but and like this house it was like a lifestyle brand and how you know this phone has is trying to go with it samsung did something that I really like last year with the note 7 they had their like collections they had like explore create yeah and like all the other one it was like act beat I can be active so ideally like the workout with the icon headphones that had the hard way better than another watch the state was part of that and then like you know they have these I think for collection and I really like that because it really made samsung look like you know if he doesn't like them more like a variety and I'm like oh my stuff yeah but I but this you to kind of step backwards when you know the only thing that they were talking about like working together was smart home with a lot of people still aren't really on board with this we're supposed to glue together your life and make sure that what actually that wasn't kind of a good point is to switch over night and the means like throat right back to you Ricky about um I I'm concerned personally and not a lot of people will share my concerns but that when we start talking about like dr AR and now when we're starting to throw around iot is this hit buzz term that this is the potential to become the next 3d TV that consumers are getting burned out on first generation products which don't really do what the companies advertise the cool factor oh man you can plug this in and it just connects to your Wi-Fi on it's so easy now you can control your lights when your way your home that's and maybe that's about it I mean I'm busy lling with like web-connected webcam that do not do wasn't advertised they so do um so it only takes one or two experiences like that summer consumer to say old as I OT is BS and it's not cheap and it's not mean it's not cheap to make that mistake cheap and the level of fragmentation is insane so now aren't we me Emily do okay so i was about to put like a judgment on this map was the wrong way to phrase this question like in Ricky tell me why I'm right oh so in my concerns give you in my face and especially for consumer facing because that's what's really driving if we're going to have this cool stuff you have to happen to them well I mean everyone's talking about 5g back whole you know supported this with oh you know so your learner's three places like it's 215 in the morning and I don't know about sleepovers are they revived a backhaul so I'm definitely indicative of that subculture um I completely looking love the trainer so we've got samsung hyping bixby which is the software layers on top of the galaxy SI it's going to be eventually some kind of smart assistant ad on adjunct the evolution of ads voice whatever we want to call it to hinge their only lifestyle umbrella service as a part of a piece of software which isn't finished we couldn't play with today i feel is maybe setting consumers up to get burned out on something that doesn't even exist yet so any like a part of this is like look at the terrible experiment that we have for this and people are looking around this conversation and it's probably not going to work this is not something that we're going to do a lot of productive podcast but that's also what's so crazy about 360 is just like when we reinvented film and we were watching trains rolling lies like we need to rewrap our brains around every aspect of video production for what we're going to do with a field of view that wraps all the way around and so even just for this like I'm in the middle of Times Square I'm shooting the vlog first comment on that blog isn't oh my god I can look all the way around Times Square's man look at your weird crab claw is holding the camera and you just ain't one of the bullet you're like I'm trying but there's no I me as an ergonomic problem already Takata so a 360 video we still have to figure some of those things out but will people be patient enough to follow us on that journey or are they going to pick up their gear headset one to pick up their LG friends camera one oh it's kind of weird so now i'm done with the MN 360-degree video becomes the next 3d TV technology or IOT buzz like for example Julian and I are currently right at the problem is stitching of this video yeah but anyway I'll do the same like 360 the idea of basic see video is such a new concept for the film industry yeah I would love to see content creators make something really really creative at a 360 but watching it is not going to be with VR it's not the way to watch 360 I see it as it has a really good potential but everyone's just like paint pawning it back and forth right now yeah so what I would like to click we are I would love to see is some kind of a 360 projector where are you in with you and you want a holiday that would be really good on three like think of let it finish a 360 theater yeah where you're probably I guess depending on how you would design it it would be either a swiveling chair and total yourself or let's share with swivel as part of the physical production images that would be mines alone yeah but that's what on anyone you're no no i mean i agree i mean i think it's the holodeck ideas i don't want to have something wrapped in my face like daydream runs too hot I totally want I don't want to like have to hold a phone for any longer or narrative yeah cuz I was just going to get obnoxious you think there's no civilian arses yeah said it could help but that your frontline for the all right I think that LG LG came up with a good solution when they drop it which was their 360 headset didn't have to snap a phone onto it was hidden like la gomera it was a plug-in and these were simple glasses that you put on when you took off I wish that LG would have continued with the concept because my biggest problems we r is the whole thing like snap up connect heroin act a little hold up activate user interface tryst not gonna connect put it on my face oh crap it's heavy oh that's a lotta con remove here for another call from the head let me shift it around so I can get some headphones in here too until it's just the experience there's no other way to reconsider them coming from cumbersome it is totally cumbersome well in and it's awesome I mean I would really love to see the Taj Mahal I mean I would you know I would be totally in favor of using VR in things like discovering new places as organic things experiencing things that I think that 360 video is not for everything 350 video is not for humans it's for crowd it's work but complain as i type or that you like our thing is we're not looking at what with 350 degrees of fun but all in all I was like a crouching a regular a lot of spaces pitch down a little camera on the floor human dirt we have this desert you know whatever 20 ish degrees of you and that's what we're boarded and we're not really usually can't so fulfilled but here's the thing i mean like you play video games rate yeah well video games are 360 degree videos secondly what were you reviewing 122 degrees of it at top right and while you're doing even less of that at a time when you're watching a 360 degree video yeah i think i think of that as a shoe that she was designed to go one direction she didn't have like the user like sounded not to directional i feel like this metaphor it is way are three in the morning so you're still here the thing about so like back away from five in the morn at your point to something about like 360-degree video isn't for everything and i agree with that notion but one of the most important thing that I think we need to look at just like with 3d for films I feel 3d can be an invaluable storytelling device when it's not used by last generations filmmakers because they work in 2d ideas shallow depth of field to highlight your subject a certain style of editing which doesn't work for 3d in 3d I want to explore the depth of the frame i want that diorama effect i don't want something just poking me in the eye from the screen I need sub hard four layers on top of this palette oh when winter birds when we're looking at this like I feel something like immersive AR video vr video a 360 degree video for the next generation of filmmakers there are some simple ideas that need to be thrown away in film you highlight certain scenes through editing if you cut the world away from someone you're the emotion in 360 degree video that is extremely jarring because the whole point of 360 degree video that you're exploring of you all around you and then it cut radically pulled you out of that so it's much much better for longer form exploration of the topic of an idea of a space of a locale so that we don't it automatically just that one idea i'm giving it fundamentally changes years of common knowledge when it comes to editing and that's before we start working with audio manager i'm working with lightning heart working without everything else even tell against the idea foliated a program before they are a little bit look at it look at this from this respective fill the film industry you've worked in it is there's a lot of genius behind it there is a lot of genius behind creating emotion from people within acting within simple things like the way color graded like the way of scene is colored or the way things are lit or the music that's being put in the back down I mean all of these should go into column with 360 video at this moment is that it's very raw very there is literally mill control and so I'll give you the example of leverage watching this podcast yeah that person is going to decide which way they want to watch yeah unless they're using a 360 headset which is not comfortable to wear for more than an hour then we talked for longer than we thought it's one of those things where I feel that these are the growing pains that each technology has to go through smartphones went through it there were times where you know right now so I completely agree with you there that we need to see those growing pains is why I've been so critical of the way that 3d is used yeah because i love your point yet you look at something like toilet everyone and 2483 and 3d has this one beautiful scene where two characters are just sort of profit desk but they use that 3d depth to make it feel like there's a gulf that's insurmountable between these two characters yeah that contributed to the storytelling it wasn't just there's a depth effect water water there was a reason and a purpose why you wanted to create that feeling that sensation and that you could pull them apart and this is a metaphor it was a metaphor using this technology so what do we have like that in 360 we don't need to relearn these lessons we just need to look to the video game industry if you pick up a game like half-life two episode two it's one of the most cinematic games of my entire game playing career especially when you get to the strider battle at the end and you have a town that you need to protect and you need to get into a car filmmakers need to seed the idea of we have control over exactly what you're going to look like look at but that doesn't mean that we still can't tell an immersive story and this is where I feel like video games and film will actually find some kind of meeting of the minds because video games already figured that out in half-life if you don't want the exposition you can walk away from the characters talking and go look at anything else that you want to look at you are never stuck in a cutscene yeah so in 360 degree video I still need to be able to tell a narrative but if the audience member wants to look at something else like if the items member wants to look at this wall right now and I wouldn't blame them but they could go and do that and so that's what i mean is like those metaphors or that idea the common knowledge of how we tell a story or how we edit needs to be thrown out but we don't need to reinvent the wheel we don't need to start from scratch we could already be adapting successes from other media to bring that into this art form so start working with us now but to your point who's asking for it what's the audience for adam who wants to consume a piece of media like that and i kinda feel we have a chicken and egg problem through a market for it like that's my main question and i feel like there is no good answer to that because if we had that content i think people would really be interested in consuming it but if people are instantly really interested in consuming it then no keeping like a cutlet right now right now what we have is the capability and the raw capable and then we have the rocket ability it's the compliment because we bedded video for a living the complexity of editing something like this as a maintenance I'm happy for putting this Hajus know how long does it take for a game like Apple has to be created your welders through but I mean they're not not any much longer than go meet your film exactly but what I'm saying is you you have three years to create that experience where you have a team of people that are brainstorming over the best way to address this from a user perspective compared to just raw 360 video just because the camera is capable and we've got one and we've got a couple I feel again the solution exists and it'll find its problem at some point just like many things you know i right i feel it i feel i love i love you know I I do commend companies like Samsung mainly because this is the company that's proven that whatever are in the idea they had they published yeah I mean they don't hold much back they don't poke they don't want Leslie I got the galaxy knows an example yeah I mean think about it before the gear 360 what was the smallest 360 camera before that was a collection of six GoPros exactly they solve the problem the porn industry is loving it and that I don't understand at all because you know what I've always wanted in my adult carnal fiction is the ability to look away from Jackson but that's what I've always thought was lacking from and you know I'm not know we should probably over to wrap this up so another episode of the pocket mount weekly has come and gone in the most tragic way possible in that we have no idea what this is going to look like as a finished product but just like jeweled and starts walking around we thank you for tuning in um this is one where you really wanted to kind 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