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okay here we go McAfee wants to protect your Galaxy s8 how necessary is virus software on a phone we'll take a closer look at the leaked 1 + 5 concept sketches and what's the buzz on Google's fuchsia project are we looking at the next generation of Android make sure you're charged and ready for episode 2 5 2 of the pocket now weekly comin at ya may 11th at around 2 p.m. Pacific time of course because we're out I'm out here on the west coast this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and fuchsia was a color I was never cool enough to pull off I'm still not cool enough to ever wear fuchsia I'm Juan Carlos bag now senior editor pocketnow.com blasting the signal from sunny Southern California actually not so sunny this week we've got some weather coming in and joined a via remote patch we're trying something a little different with this week's 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rundown the full scoop the four one one lets or the four or five and that's nightmare so let's not banal and let's get into it the uncarrier maybe show enough some of its rebel ways with word that t-mobile is coming up with a TCL made phone or three they only branded as Revell that's re vvl with differentiating differentiating models likely being called t1 t2 and t3 at least one of them is expected to spec the mid-range in specifications but we don't have pricing details numbers go on to say that t-mobile will guarantee warranty and insurance for the life of the device management debut in the summer summer in Mexico just got a little more interesting smartphone geeks will not be tanning at the beach the beaches of can kitten but looking to Best Buy yes they do have Best Buy's over there as well as Sam's Clubs and couple for a chamois phone the redmi note 4 it's expected to go up at bergen waters as well as some online shops for about 5500 pieces just short of $300 the redmi note 4 x they also come into play as well in an interview with the verge an engineer on the Microsoft Surface team said that USB C was not included on the surface laptop because of charging concerns the recently released laptop instead comes with a surface connect port with a closed system of adapters and accessories but with all the different sorts of USB spec there on many of the type C cables out there the main reason why the connector was dropped was worried that consumers would blame Microsoft if they used a third-party cable and the device suddenly shut down or plugged in if you only barely tolerate AVG or looking at security because they're not too offensively oppressing a can't bother to uninstall the preloaded apps McAfee protection is here to give such apps a bad rap Samsung has a deal with McAfee to preload its sweet to all Galaxy s8 and Galaxy S II closer devices you can get three a free 60-day travel of live safe or web safe or live a safe the president in a folks a special offer after that and if you don't know who John McAfee is you're better off finally selfie obsessed Chinese company made to have something special roof nettles not use no China no not a Hello Kitty phones they've already done that this is a limited edition device packaged in a giant pink box and of course if you're Sailor Moon you need a wand a selfie wand 10,000 units are going up for grabs when I'm not sure to some of you are glad your arms don't reach that far what do you think I you know Sailor Moon was the show that I kind of watched when I was in college a little bit not too much that I know that you're more of this Cardcaptor Sakura type I mean you know like I could pivot if I could pivot my webcam easily I could show you the scroll of Vegeta but I keep on Alden - I guess what's just kind of interesting is their their idea of accessorizing so you know the whole branding and the pink and the Sailor Moon and all that stuff obviously isn't really quite my jam how I use phones these days but the notion of having kind of branded accessories like this wand that we've got up on the screen right now that's actually kind of a smart idea that I think would be really cool to expand into other devices like if I really wanted to let my geek flag fly and having a proper you know like fallout themed phone would be really rad with the war old of gadgetry that we have in Fallout and actual first party accessories that kind of play into that aesthetic not just like that pip-boy one-off collector's edition thing but like a pip-boy SmartWatch specifically yeah well just still nuchal its charged with nuka-cola a charge nuka-cola how many caps did that cost you man that looks expensive don't even get me started about that but are you maybe maybe you should maybe we should change it to like it even get yond so like what sharp yeah it's 20 if I never saw a thang yeah what was a robo tag I mean like even something silly like I could I could maybe be persuaded to rock some vampire hunter D accessories I don't know what that would look like a wooden stake that also doubles ooh like a bluetooth handset or something like that it's about point you might as well just get more mainstream and and stick with Castlevania although you know what like what's funny is I was not I was never a huge Castlevania fan you know III got I got drawn into anime way too young because of vampire hunter D you see this cartoon and it looks kind of dark and edgy and I had no idea what I was getting myself into and I probably watched it a little younger than I probably should have but I wanted to circle to this other topic I mean getting back and we don't talk a lot about laptops and you know that kind of gear but I wanted to get your thoughts tools on this reasoning from Microsoft about USB C being consumer confusing being kind of a hassle and instead their reply being a proprietary piece of hardware kind of dongle rific iPhone style um where do you think this is going to land I'm really lukewarm on the surface laptop personally and I don't know where you're at with the surface laptop but I have some issues with the way that Microsoft has gone about not only building this machine but then also explaining some of the choices that they've made I mean like every so often when we talk about this this or that Microsoft event we've noticed how you know they've become more Apple ish in terms of presenting its its products hardware and in terms of framing this product especially when you have a clear analog to just the regular map books there's definitely something going on when it comes to making the compromise for design one of the biggest issues was designed and did this for the engineer but in terms of implementing just the surface connect important I mean it's a decent port its magnetic it's it's fine it's okay but in terms of blaming I think my favorite go-to phrase now is in terms of but when how should I say this alright so when we're talking about type C we have all these experts Google has it's Benson Leung and then there's a whole department of you know people that go do compliance work on that and are very vocal advocates and we've seen the spread from Android manufacturers to Apple on its laptop side not your mobile side yet just yet but Microsoft seems to me that it's allowing its OAM partners who are making convertible laptops convertible tablets to utilize USB even Thunderbolt 2 right so well no I mean like if this if this argument is we were worried about consumers being confused since I I got on the Thunderbolt 3 train early I really feel like there's an opportunity here for a manufacturer who's looking to put out a premium device like the like this surface laptop to start a standard or to start a trend like Apple has where or maybe we only use USBC on the peripherals and on portable devices like phones and then all computers are going to start licensing thunderbolt so that it doesn't matter what direction you're plugging things into you know we all just agreed on thunderbolt abling and the host computers for these you know like your desktop or your laptop is still probably your productivity hub or your Center your brain your mobile on-the-go solution doesn't need to have thunderbolt obviously so we could set the standard there and I think that would clear up a lot of this consumer confusion and I don't know because out of the directories at work it's not necessarily a sales leader it's a standard bearer for new verticals although right it's this is not really a new vertical you could say but it's something that delivers Windows 10 s right you could say that you know does that but still you would have to say they have to realize at some point that it's it's a firm piece of hardware that they're doing and they're showing it off and they're in the bragging about it to students you you're too late at this point the USB see this this was the time this was the time to convert this was the time to make sure that you had your manufacturing lines all in place and being very clear very educated about this very you know you have a very proactive audience if we're talking about youth they should know so I think that's a solvent of responsibility on Microsoft's part to and take control of this situation now I just I just wonder though what was the backlash that Apple received over dongle gate that Oh use USB seaports in these Thunderbolt ports mean I have to use all these dongles and to a degree I mean I understand the frustration and I really do wish that more professional grade professional air quotes grade laptops had a SD card readers built them for all of the creative professionals out there they're shooting content keep saying like disconnect port is like a SD card slides not yeah see that's that's the problem that I'm running into is I can totally appreciate an engineering concern over consumer confusion but a solution which involves dongles and proprietary hardware I find to be I don't even know what word I want to use there because I want to throw something like disingenuous but that's not the right word oh but it's a solution that I don't think people are going to be very happy about one USB port a display port which I don't know in my in my trade a display port a family and friends that's not a cable standard that anyone ever really embraced even over a few of my friends who have gear that uses like micro HDMI I understand the advantages pros and cons between the HDMI and DisplayPort but that wasn't something that was ever really sort of popularized in my sphere in my in my sort of circle of influence so again it's just sort of an I find this to be some odd decisions and I worry that because the surface pro has been as successful a line of convertibles as it has been that now they're just sort of taking a couple other stabs at other things that they can try using the surface name to try and drum up some interest and this doesn't really feel like a well-thought-out ecosystem approach to hardware which I shouldn't be surprised because I don't know that Microsoft has ever had a really great ecosystem approach to hardware outside of the Xbox it's part of you know joining your your weight around with the bully pulpit the official is that you get to dictate what is what makes sense for manufacturers in terms of not alone I used to play I totally agree with that what I worry about is with their position as being sort of the standards bearers that I don't think I see my personal opinion a Microsoft which is really thinking about what that ecosystem in total should resemble and this to me looks like they're trying something and that makes me super nervous because look at all the things they've tried and sort of walked away from and sort of revisited and sort of walked away from especially of anyone in our audience you know knows that I used to be such a die-hard Windows Phone fan this stuff is these are the kinds of moves that give me pause that make me concerned or apprehensive about buying into this ecosystem and I don't necessarily have an answer to that I'm just saying that it's it's it's a it's a move that could be that can proved we toxic right it just it would left unaddressed so that's all I have for that well lastly I wanted to get I wanted to get your thoughts on McAfee - I just questioned the need for a dedicated protection piece of software on a mobile device I just haven't seen the actual reports on threats that this type of software would do a good job of actively defending against no it's free you get it for free it's fine you just know so it's just use it just have it be aware well because it's free yeah that's right there you could just use it you can it's fine you don't have to touch you know don't even hear about it don't think about insight I mean I mean you're just going to be disappointed when you hold the thing and then you really can't get to the okay there's no there's no delete it's just information you can't even disable the damn things very very well put Jules well we also have two additional news stories that were heavy hitters on pocketnow.com so I think we should bring in a guest to help us unpack those stories some some interesting conversation that I think we can jump into there indeed so we'll get to that just a second but before we do you can see full details of these stories and more hit pocketnow.com and look for the podcast section to get to this episode's rundown also be sure to check out véra and the puppet now daily on our YouTube channel BAM yeah two of these topics I really want to unpacked dig a little deeper chat a little bit with some more nuance and to help us unpack those news stories rear it we're bringing on the man the myth the legend mr. n abang Etta thunder II from bored at work thank you so much for joining us to chat about the one plus five and Google fuchsia thank you very much for having me miss stuff why I'm back now it's always good to jump on the PocketNow podcast so I am ready to chat away yes let's let's chat away so first of all let's jump right into the 1 + 5 I think this is going to be one of those topics that it would help if I have the right web page up there's going to be one of those topics that I think is going to have a lot of traction among Android fans this is a this is definitely a you know it's an enthusiast phone the oneplus brand is always sort of represented that kind of enthusiast commentary I'm going to pull your little window over there and I'm going to get my face out of the way and perfect so we've got these specs we've got these leaks this could be that perfect melding of dual rear cameras dual front cameras now this has been a topic that we've been covering sort of behind the scenes at pocket now we're trying to figure out how we want to talk about this but we've got this race for the premium end of the smartphone we're waiting to see which manufacturers going to deliver a thousand-dollar smartphone and then on the flip side we've got this insane competition from entry-level smartphones from premium mid Ranger's people always get super frustrated when I just say mid rangers instead of premium mid rangers and I wanted to get your take on some of these some of these detailed drawings you know because we're just looking at some of the some of the you know it's almost like engineering sketches of what this phone could resemble does this walking in the right direction for a company like oneplus or should we be expecting more from a brand that's sort of built it's reppin the no compromises flagship killing smartphone I mean first off the sketches look wonderful I have to compliment whoever did the sketches because it was me would just be a rectangle two circles I'd be like do this drawed camera there you exactly something like that but you know what I like it I like the dual front cameras look a dual red cameras are a constant now I mean Samsung is the only company who just doesn't have one that's pretty much it but they have a really good camera on their phone so one plus five having to do all rear camera that they expected to see the dual front-facing camera that'd be something you know that could lease Chris create some stare in the market especially image selfie fans and if they are trying to even expand some of these sensibilities of being just in each device and trying to explore maybe let's let's be niche and let's also try this get into one other segments that could be it but in terms of decided it kind of looks like the LG g4 from the renders you know it's got its got that incurved back the positioning of the cameras at the rear remind me of the g4 in a sense given the front of the device it's like the g4 to me so hopefully it doesn't look that way he still has that unique oneplus styling cues even though I'm not the biggest fan of your design I do like that it's a little bit different from everyone else so yeah that is something this this was it that design note I think it is very it's very well put um especially because I think in the past like I'm going through and I'm digging up one plus 3t stuff we're going to be trying to do a few comparisons before the 1+5 lunches and putting that phone back in my hand there's definitely that feeling or that sense of like old HTC and especially on these engineering concept sketches the bottom of the phone still to me very much resembles what we solve from say the HTC 10 right you know the phone tapers and curves I think your point about where the cameras are located definitely seems to be inspired somewhat for maybe some of the work that LG has done in the and then I'll so that notion of dual front-facing cameras like I don't have we seen anything like that since the v10 I think the v10 was the only phone that I remember making a major commercial push with a separate wide-angle selfie shooter yeah I think the 310 analogy didn't do a good job in marketing of that I think even one plus with its small base but it's loud social media presence can easily market that dual front-facing camera no no so I think I think that might be a play here this year where you know it's going to have an 835 processor in there it's going to have 64 gigs of ram well whichever grid maybe they'll include microSD this time who knows I'm afraid it's going to have all those things that you expect any flashes device so it's a matter of what can you you know separate themselves this year now it looks like you know life style features might not be in we don't know when I speaking of water resistance or wireless charging maybe not of course if people just add too much money either to device so I think that dual front-facing camera might be where they will go to say hey this is something we're doing difference here's something for a different segment and also for our key fans of you know within the core Android space now you can take better selfies and you get better wide-angle shots you can also you can also vlog better I mean you don't have to take selfies just real frog amazing camera too and you can also do your vlogs in to video recordings and things like that so I think we just have to wait and see once this device comes out the sad part about it is that you know spec wise every device is the same yeah that that that's too too sad part about 2017 with smartphones is right LG G 6 other than the fact that g6 was an 8 21 but even that to you like whatever we know the Samsung Galaxy devices whatever HTC comes out one plus 5 all these devices will have very similar specs the diff lay in camera and the display being Samsung makes really great displays in the own LG has good displays and everybody else is buying from you the Samsung LG so right well let's unpack a few of these rumors real quick before we move on I know in these concept sketches they're they're talking about maybe starting to incorporate ceramic so this would be a 2 panel rear body very similar to what we saw in the pixel but instead of glass there would be a different feel up around the camera module maybe to help improve radio reception I doubt that we'd want to put I thought they'd be able to put charging coils directly underneath the cameras if the the ceramic panels that small but do you think that material choice could help be a distinguishing factor or do you think that that's too subtle a design change to get consumers interested you know like right now it seems like if it's pretty in its glass then people think it's nifty outside of that no one really seems to have moved the needle on using different materials you see I don't know when it comes to one plus because you know the core audience is a is hardcore Android audience so you throw ceramic the first thing we call out is oh wow you know you copy Google so what you know it's it's a what's the name of the Google device I just forgot it Jesus you either pixel like yeah I was a lot to say next but like no no that's not it that's not it it's it's a pixel you know and I'm not sure how that will play within you know that that community itself right you're willing to accept it as something different from them or you know company the Nexus and you know how that also affects its comparison to the Galaxy S a because it's going to be compared to that device no matter what all the LG G six right so either for me I think with a company like oneplus also cost wise why bother I think you I think you should either have a solid design and work all the materials that usually work with and then add features that would give you an exponential boost and you know that little piece of ceramic that I don't think it does much right I'm so expanding the abased well and also it makes me concerned because III think ceramics are going to be that that bleeding edge kind of design material are we worried about a material that's potentially more brittle than aluminum will it be as durable as glass I can already see the gadget destruction porn from people that are going to make conclusions off of dropping one phone over and over and over again like well I dropped it six times from waist height and then when I dropped it from from ear height it completely shattered you're like well yeah because you've been breaking this phone multiple times over and over and over again I I just want to circle back real quick do you think that lifestyle features on a phone that's probably going to be sub $500 I would imagine oneplus is going to try and continue playing under that threshold you know if we don't get word on enhanced drop resistance or we don't get word on enhanced water resistance do you think that that's going to be something that carries over into the enthusiast base like oneplus fans do you think that that's going to affect the purchasing decision or do you think that those people are probably more focused on a quad HD display with a Qualcomm 835 yeah I agree I think that people are focused on the quad HD display and 835 the lifestyle features you know I think just going for my reaction a lot of people like yeah you know my oneplus to be teased almost as good as my god to the s8 the only difference is they got CS a it has water resistance and wireless charging I don't need that in the rack that audience is always Adam out about that kind of stuff and I think even for one plus the cost of putting that and the fact that they haven't done it before so I'm even sure how good they will be with first implementation in terms of issues and things like that I think it's one of those areas where these no need to the closest thing you might get would be durability testing that I think it's something that is more attractive for that core core base where you can say okay yeah you know you can drop the Galaxy s8 I controlled my oneplus it doesn't crack you know that I'm afraid it's something that you get that people who say that people would just accept more on the lifestyle feature too you know where it's $500 they still would be okay with that imagines or high jump yeah I'll be really curious to see how some of these things play out because you know oneplus got us to 64 gigabytes of storage as sort of a standard though they did it at the same time by not allowing microSD card expansion one of the things actually thought was kind of frustrating on the one plus 3t because you had a dual SIM phone you know like you had two two card slots and they just didn't want to put in the combo slot which could have been either a micro SD card or dual SIM though I still have to question people outside of the the rabid enthusiast community the the sort of hardcore smartphone fans I know so many friends and family who just never bother using something like a micro SD card like I'm even kind of debating with my wife because her Galaxy s7 is full and she's playing with Amazon photo storage and onedrive and Google Photos she's doing all this cloud backup and she's still full on the phone and sort of reticent to add another piece of hardware like a memory card just to offload some of that stuff from the internal storage I that last talking point for a company like oneplus do you think we've all moved on do we think the cloud is robust enough for consumers out there or is it just sort of the general ignorance or apathy like I didn't put the card in when I first got the phone so now I'm just going to use the phone exactly how it came out of the box uh you are right on both I think the first thing is yes I didn't put that SD card in there so you know I'm not bothered to do it anymore and it's easy for me to download an app and go between these we look at apps faster than we look on hardware right you know that's that's the state of affairs the other problem too is that transferring content from sd card is still not easy until until SDF transfer is as easy as switching between two hard drives on a PC that that will be the point where you know people will care but at this point cloud storage is where everyone's going to so I think I think one place has has written that way right long enough where you know if they offer is 64 to 128 then people just I just get 120 and I've done yeah that's what it is isn't that something that that Apple has sort of helped and I'm using like air quotes helped educate consumers that you just want the one with more jeebies right you know that outside of that you shouldn't have to think about managing the hardware of your phone until it's time to buy a new phone yeah I suppose done that quite effectively over the last what eight years or how long they've had the iPhone sorry nine years this weekend they've done that but effectively you know Apple users are unknown for complaining about 62 bytes of storage and looking for ways to try and offload it till you know iCloud showed up so one plus I think is taking that to the advantage by Emmys often the amount of basic storage you have any advice and using that as a way to say look we need 64 gigabyte you need that much rank at least now if you go to 128 so I think they're fine because you know but the way things are cloud storages is good enough where you have the options between onedrive you have Google Cloud Google cloud and it's all Dropbox so you can you can manage with all three to dispose of your excess photos now I just just to wrap up one plus five as a sort of a fan of Android what would you want to see this company push forward for their new initiative I mean like I said at the top of this we're seeing an intense squeeze from the lower and mid range er phones and I think there is a growing consumer sentiment for what is it that I'm really getting when I'm throwing down seven eight nine hundred dollars like if you account for sales tax in California the Galaxy S 8 plus is almost a thousand dollar phone out the door what would you want to see one plus mu as a company not necessarily just what what tech is built into their phone but one plus is a company what do you think their next move should be to try and shake up this conversation ah better marketing you said this before last couple years I think I think one plus is adding a very distinct advantageous position they're the company who they have the history of say hey we've built premium at mid-range price you know and we have premium for you but the problem is if not going to this message past core audiences right so incidentally maybe ceramic is part of that message where yes it's an aesthetic feature but when your marketing and advertising you can now showcase people that here is something that's really premium and it's only you know subtract under dollars so I think I think if they can come up with a at this this is the fourth one plus device or factually fit what what everyone wants to forget the oneplus X except for people who owned the oneplus X know when I'm counting the workflow echoes counting 1 + 1 2 3 3 T and then 5 this would be 5 devices X doesn't count now well I guess we should say 5 flagship device yeah I already got you know what there's just a fact that you say that I've already I know I've already gotten angry comments from people who are you rocking the oneplus X exactly uh but but they they have that history they've created something and they've spent you know four years doing it it's about time you grow up yeah about time that your marketing changes you know you talked about this in the past of saying look it takes at least three years for company to get the right product and that was a 1 + 3 + 3 T yeah that was that's the point one person really like yet now we've done well energy how many growing up significantly because that was also the first time they didn't do this like pre-order lottery system thing or yeah like holds your place in line with the ticket kind of shenanigans and they actually just had a regular proper pre-order system what what do you do you think that the next step on that is I mean so marketing has definitely got to be a part of that equation but do you think this is a company that could maybe start fulfilling orders for some kind of carrier tie-in because I think one of the issues with oneplus is you know we saw so many people were on backorder with the 1+3 that then they kind of just got rolled into the 1 + 3 T when they shifted over and they stopped making the 3 I might my fear is like could this company push too aggressively and then not actually be able to deliver on the hardware that they're trying to produce if I 1 plus I think my marketing strategy will be very simple and looking one is looking for carrier partner in the u.s. then I say go to t-mobile t-mobile is always happy to throw some kind of wrench into the bucket yeah so I think if you can get t-mobile on the line I think what you want to do as one plus is you want to come out and you want to be clear you know how much you can manufacture I mean I think you want to if if I have them you know play the blue ocean approach change the game and say hey look we're still a small company but we like to deliver the best and right you can spin it a little bit and say because of manufacturing because we wanted to do the best we have batches of units and this is this is what we're doing whether it's 100,000 or 500,000 for fast batch that is what you have please place orders and once it's filled up we'll let you know in the next batches and hopefully it's within a given timeframe and then if you do that for three months then you kick off with your partnership with t-mobile at that time you should easily you know fulfilled all your orders and then you use to mobilize your second punch that goes into three months will be September holiday season running on the Hansa back-to-school season you know then you can now mix in with that proud of saying hey if you don't want to get an iPhone you can get a long plus if you don't want to get a GOx you know this is something my you get on t-mobile for a you know $15 a month yeah well and that that you know the the t-mobile partnership oneplus as a hardware company just feels like they would be very much akin to an uncarrier sort of mentality right the try to shake things up we're trying to to buck trends we're trying to to move the needle on how you buy your phone and what you should be looking for so um I know we're we're kind of running up on just a little extra time here cuz I know you have to get going but I wanted to spend a little time talking about your thoughts on Google fuchsia so we got a sneak peek at some of the developer stuff for what it could be potentially maybe I don't know Google's next operating system and I don't know have you had a chance to look through some of the stuff that that's leaked out I just saw the video before we started taking a look at it as card-based I kind of skipped through it I wasn't impressed but then again is really that's just my first impression I saw the card based system I'm not a fan of card based systems right now even with Google now and some of the stuff with big speed I've been using it just kind of mostly I don't know why I guy I like desktop I want to see my wallpaper so yeah but we're all old and like set in our ways and all I just want to go back to Windows 3 no I mean I mean let's be frank ok people ask me for my wallpaper so I I guess be a lot of people like me out there and want it I get the idea of the cards right my problem is I'm not sure so now it's going to work I this is what I am thinking I'm going for armadillo oh is that what it is right mm-hmm ok I'm a Dillo to me should have been the next progression of Google now because unless the cart system works hand in hand together with it because I think the next the next job in mobile operating system is voice and I think that needs to be proved drastically where you know you know not just the fact that you're driving in a car but the fact that you know if I have an earpiece or SmartWatch and I'm giving man I'm getting information back like I think we're at that point where we can get some of those functionalities from movie her in our smartphones at this point so I don't say all the way but some of that so I would like to see more of that than to see cards and I hopefully the cons are tied together with that then that would be one press but since it was no audio we didn't know exactly what this is right I'm still very unsure where they've gone with this I think aesthetically at this point if you just throw out a card based system os people hate it just I think now at this present point in time yeah it definitely for me I mean looking at what they're trying to do design wise certainly runs up against that problem that we've talked about especially on your show and on your podcast that consumers want something new and exciting and fresh and different so long as it looks and feels and does exactly what their visit yes right and so I'm looking at what some some of these really interesting design concepts on fuchsia and first of all the first thing I think is okay this this looks like it needs to be a chroma West replacement I there you go that looks that looks very obvious especially they're trying to show off like multi-panel you know four panels of information up on one screen at a time and it's sort of a more three by two aspect ratio less a phone aspect ratio but one of the things that I think is really compelling is the notion of Google changing the underpinnings of Android or Chrome OS the core architecture that lives underneath and so obviously this is super fresh this I mean not super fresh this is super raw I this could be a project that has legs it could be something which we know Google loves to just cancel you know like we don't love it anymore so we're just going to kill it but do you think that this is this is the right time that we're taking those baby strategies towards walking away from Linux as the kernel underneath Android going to completely Google designed underpinnings old design and developer codebases languages is this what we need for the next evolution of android or do you think Android can continue in its current state of of development I mean I sure can it's Linux Linux is goddamn flexible man you can do anything with it so on that aspect you can its what Google wants to do this way I mean also there's the lawsuits and you know getting away from that I am saying that as a company I think with armadillo do I you're right saying that Chrome OS yes I can see that going to Chrome OS and being something on that aspect or platform or you may be the tablet of some sort yeah on a smartphone not so much because it get the visual representation because what if what I think we will be fighting is not just people saying I don't like this but you're also fighting the representations from your two biggest competitors right it's called Samsung and what is called Apple and Samsung is not going to change this anytime soon to look like they may use the same money kernel but they are not changing to look like a bunch of cards flown on the screen and Apple is still the way it is I was not changing any time soon so you're gonna have that fight where people now like you said you know people are going to go okay you know maybe some of us will go this is great it's really fast it works well we can do under 50 things that work here but it's a bunch of grand white cards yeah I mean I'm not in college anymore I don't have a liking of you know flip notes to go through so you know I got that if it's tied to you it is tied to voice I can see where they trying to go with it but again you don't need to have a card system to have it tied to voice to do anything functional for you so to me that is just more repository of world information you just ask for can be housed which is great on one side of your screen right so I'm not sure where this will go I'm not sure what Google will do and knowing Google very well you know there is a I'll given a 65 percent chance that he might be can't have a probability you know then working all what at least they'd probably be something in there that would they will use in future projects I'll say I'm that level this there's give me something they can take out of it but the way it looks now and what I'm seeing I just don't see the consumer base go for it business you said people want something you're fresh that still looks old yeah well and and is familiar this is the thing that always bugs me is like let's say Google makes the most intuitive air quotes intuitive OS ever made just the fact that it's unfamiliar mean someone's gonna play with it for a minute and go oh I can't use it I don't understand how it works it's no it's no good and then they'll put it aside and then they'll go back to what they're already currently using your point about the lawsuits I think is a really compelling one for a company where Google's at as a company or alphabet at as a company getting away from any software which could potentially step on another company's toes like Oracle the number of Appeals that that lawsuit has currently gone through and then also this notion of having more control over the kernel the kernel of the of the underpinnings of this OS not being quite in Google's control means that they've run into some problems with some of their future updates versus the control that companies like welcomed have over this mobility space so that you know we were just recently talking you know like a phone like the oneplus X what was at the Qualcomm 801 or 805 I can't remember a theater I think I think you're right I think it was the 805 and someone will correct me in the comments because I'm probably talking crap but regardless anything before the 808 or the 810 is sort of now dead for future major updates you know they can't move that phone up into future at you know more current versions I shouldn't even say future current versions of the Android operating system there are some security issues with the current relationship between this the the kernel that's used for Android wear Google that in development and again the chipsets that a lot of these older phones are still running I mean like the number of Galaxy s3 and galaxy has Wars out in the smartphone ecosystem are still staggering so if Google had control over that over that kernel over that over that hardware the hardware and software I mean wouldn't that give Google a bit more synergy for future fixes for future updates and hopefully our devices last a little bit longer if it's a what's ridiculous is that what I'm what I'm suggesting here is Google moving to a more closed ecosystem they can still put a bunch of stuff out as open source but they would be the ones sort of building the little garden around this kernel as opposed to using some of the accepted standards that Android currently utilizes uh yeah I do agree but then it becomes ILS this is it I mean it's a closed box so I mean that's what they have to face and that's what they have to deal with we're not trying to okay I'm not trying to bring myself into this but you know my stuff perfectly has build going on this week right and he talked about how you can build iOS apps using Windows and even Microsoft has gone away from being my person have done some changes they went from being very open it'll be closed now they go back to be a little bit more open again because you need to have partnerships with Linux they have to decide to deal with links to to solve that issue and to me Google can do the same thing you know you can solve this problem and also create an ecosystem for yourself but if you want to totally build all the way through developers will still come back because they have to can you have the second-biggest operating system out actually technically it is the biggest because I have more devices running on there so the they will definitely come back to to do Android but they'll be loved you know complaining people be angry in terms like that so that's something that they have to actually look at to see it is more viable in the long term which will cause less headaches 7 is the lawsuit a few years ago of cosmetic headaches but hey companies like to fight with lawyers well and I think what's kind of interesting is who would this cause more headache for versus who would it solve headaches for so you know if someone's out there and they're a really passionate member of like xda-developers and they love cutting custom roms you know Google sort of closing off the future of their operating systems with something like fuchsia certainly throws a wrench in what they might be able to do I'm potentially hypothetically I could also surprise us and make it ridiculously easy to get in there using their languages to develop roms I doubt that what happened well I think but sighs sorry sorry excite - that would be everyone else who sort of languishes with this relationship of Google - manufacturer - carrier might see just a little bit of an abbreviation for how updates bug fixes patches security problems are rectified and so are we is it time to maybe have that conversation where for the greater good um that we start closing down Android we start closing down chrome - potentially better service the vast majority of people and unfortunately that just means enthusiasts and the techie members of our respective audiences kind of get the shaft again okay I'm not really I'm not Piper versed in in how open or closed Android is I always compare everything to Windows Windows right in the most open operating system out there and we this has done a very good job in clamping down remember we just had it a virus problem that was I mean it was it was like a plague every month there was a new virus and Microsoft took steps into handling that where you know Windows is more secure than iOS am nihilist Matthew listen Alex as of last year you could change this year who knows in terms of when it comes to virus attacks and things like that but Google could probably take some of the same steps that Microsoft it I don't know exactly how but to your other point I do think yes for the greater good it does make sense for a company life is looking from the company perspective they have seen that people who also complain are developers developers are lazy that is the general theme to this I didn't call you lazy I'm just saying this is what everybody else says so accept ball with a bomber with developers developers so because that's that's your guy right there but developers but I mean even if I was a developer I don't want to switch from Linux web builds all this stuff and then have to move over yes here tools and we saw that with Microsoft with Windows Phone where they had some really awesome tools that they all they said is you throw your app in there you click a button and then it cancels over and yet that was Windows Phone but it's just you still get level of great writer people well and we saw something similar with Apple when they switch and when they had like cocoa and Yelpers waited until proper legacy support had just been removed before they really did shift programs over to that new that new code language so I think those will be really interesting because I think something needs to start changing though it really seems like all of the companies that are responsible for our mobile gadgets are playing very conservative you know we get a little kind of a graphics update here slightly better battery life there and no one's looking to rock the boat too severely on like UI or the underpinnings of the architecture or what the next energy because you know like Google's also trying at the same time to front web apps again you know sort of what is it called persistent Web Apps something like that where you like little bits of code or installed on your phone but it's not like you really install Yelp you just get the benefits of some of yelps underpinnings while you're online at the same time so something obviously is brewing yes where we end up I think I think no one's sure where to go I think that is probably what it is I think a lot of you won't find different saying means Microsoft in a way is actually safe because they no longer in the mobile space which saturated fat that's happened there so they can go with a very structured approach to advancing forward and with you know but some of the things announced and build I can see them moving more to voice yeah and less with this as opposed to Google where Google is in the state where they can move to voice quite easily but they also need to make change the co operating system itself right at the same time so I think we're making situation where a lot of people will play it safe for maybe another two three years where we get to the Year you know you know like 2012 definite 2012 so you do well that's why that's when that's when the world is going to end so actually that's a product I'm - I didn't know why back in time and so on Wow 20/20 vision yesterday here baby my brain time travel back to 2000 were happier days back then good morning 12 but yeah I mean 2020 20 will be probably time when you see companies you know because it's also you know we're going to ha get visit numbers in our in a count where companies to start going you know this is past most science fiction movie and things like that so now we have to give you something that kind of matches your curiosity you know I sit down here waiting for my Starship Enterprise I don't have it yet right like you know I've got these awesome smartphones but I don't have my tricorder yet that's that's clown shoes well um III know you've got to get going I've kept you a little longer than we intended but thank you so much for jumping in and helping us kind of chew through some of this info there two of the the bigger stories on pocket now this week and so there's definitely some anticipation some excitement about what what Google and what oneplus might have coming down the 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