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and we are live now due to some traveling Jules is covering an event as we speak so we're gonna be splitting up some of the podcasting duties this week Jules still will tackle the full weekly news rundown and the whole show will be stapled together for the audio version published later on pocket now definitely check that out on pocketnow.com but that bit of housekeeping out of the way I am stoked to have on a great guest this week a reviewer publishing some great content on her own channel who recently started working with the Android Central team ms jacqueline dallas and for folks watching live if you want to join the conversation head on over to Twitter use that PN weekly hashtag that's where we'll be pulling comments and questions during the show and if you're watching later you're listening later and you want to drop us a line you can always do that at podcast at pocketnow.com now before we jump into the tech tomfoolery we do need to thank this week's sponsor who is Shutterstock 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collaborate and so just to kick things off if you wouldn't mind terribly because you operate your own YouTube channel as what it's an impeachable user-generated content and then how people can collaborate is that so that the channel that you're you're currently producing for oh can you repeat that one more time sorry just like glitched out no worries I was like I heard myself start broadcasting on yeah I don't know no worries again we'll track that one up to the dumpster fire that is Google Hangouts giving us something to kind of help break the ice with our guests but no I wanted to start off just as an introduced introduction for people who might not be aware of your work you operate your own channel its MBT e88 nothing but tech yeah nothing but taking it so how did you get started in producing technology videos for YouTube especially doing reviews yeah so I got started with tutorials when I first started like two years ago mainly because I didn't have like enough money to devote to like buying tech products and then I started like running my audience a little bit and from there I then transitioned into reviews so now I'm making reviews on like a weekly or bi-weekly basis on that channel and then as I'm sure you're gonna mention also on Android Central Channel but yeah it started out about two years ago in February and so what kind of response did you did you find initial I mean you you know everyone has those questions they want to start producing their own content or they want are interacting with an audience what was what was sort of the motivating factor was at that there was a need that you saw that was lacking you were looking for a tutorial couldn't find it or was it just like hey this looks like fun I want to give it a shot and it kind of built from there yeah so I was constantly sending like phone tutorials and how to do stuff to my friends and people that weren't as like tech savvy and I felt like if there was a market for with like this many people then there had to be a market also online if people I could help so it kind of started out of me wanting to help people but then of course I was watching pocket now and Marquez and a bunch of other channels and I was like oh like reviews are also pretty cool so then I transitioned into reviews also and I've kind of stayed more in reviews and tutorials now so what was the first what was the first phone you reviewed on your channel first phone I reviewed was the LG g4 it was like the first product for review that I ever got and it was actually like a great phone I think that's like one of my more popular videos also surprisingly g4 had a pretty good run I liked the g4 I mean fruity boot loops notwithstanding it was it was definitely a popular handset so your producing your own content you're you're starting to build up your own audience what did it look like when you started having conversations with Android Central there they're pretty heavy heading outlet for for tech content yeah so I think it was like three months ago or two months ago that Daniel who's like that mannequin person at Android Central by hiring new people and that an editor there he followed me on Twitter so then I kind of DM Tim and was like I'd be really interested in working for you guys here's my content on my own channel and then being one of opportunity to diversify who they were having on their channel so we started talking we worked on my first video for them was on the blackberry q10 and we just like started creating weekly videos now so that's what we've been up to my last video went up like two days ago for them oh right on so you made the first move Android Central was like nervous around girls is that what you're saying no I just don't think I just don't think that they knew of my channel because I'm kind of a small channel in comparison I only have like twenty six thousand people so I don't they necessarily knew who I was but he did follow me and then from there I am Tim and we started talking we did a video call and I think it's going well hopefully if you wouldn't mind terribly what it's in if you do you drink enjoy survive yeah what's going on don't get me wrong I love the sound of my own voice Oh cute I don't know what's going on is it all there it's off now all right that is so weird I'm sorry about that I don't know if it's on my end well we'll keep running with some Google ghosts it's fun you know it's like time travel we get to go where we heard minutes ago so I you're doing some work with Android Central you get to jump in on something like the key one well first up first of all like what were your thoughts on the key one if you wouldn't mind kind of summing them up or sharing right now so I think for me as someone that used blackberry a lot as one of like the first smartphones that I was using I think it was very like nostalgic for me I know that Michael Fisher who was on last week I think he is still using Nick you want us as daily driver just because of the like nostalgic feeling that you've got one using it there's something about that tactile feel so I think that it's a great smartphone for people that are still stuck in that era of wanting a physical keyboard and I did show it to a lot of people that had used blackberries and they all were like oh my gosh like this is gonna be my next phone so I think for devan's great I'm using the 1 plus 5 right now and I just love the 1 plus 5 in a lot of ways more than I like the key one so I used it for a week but I haven't picked it up since I think it's a great smartphone but I'm not like the key demographic for it now what it would have been some of your experiences because you know you were you were saying there aren't as obviously there aren't as many female tech reviewers that are kind of tackling this beat right now and I'm sure you've probably had some unique experiences trying to walk into or walking into not trying to you're here walking into this this ecosystem what was that like as your audience started building up what did you find that if you were able to have the same kind of conversation was it that because do you feel like people maybe thought you were a novelty what did that feel like or what did that resemble is as you started building building your video views I mean I think that the one thing that is a little bit different than the common channel that's run by a male host is that I actually have like a larger percentage of females on my channel than a lot of other channels run by males do so I guess that that's something unique I think I had like a 20% amount of females which is a lot for like the tech space unfortunately like that's low but SLI at this time so I think that that helps and I also think that it's just like refreshing to see a different perspective sometimes so I think that that also helped me like gain my audience because people wanted like that different perspective so I think that I mean it has been mostly positive I know there's like a lot of females that are like scared to get into the community because I feel like it's so like male oriented but I think that it's actually like really welcoming everyone that I've talked to in this community has been nice so yeah it's been a great experience so far I mean for myself personally and again I'm speaking from the perspective of being a dude so I'm not having quite the same hurdle to get over in terms of commentary but I really do feel that once we get out of that initial periphery of just sort of toxic YouTube comments like not not just on tech channels but just like typically kind of toxic yeah once once you kind of cut through that initial that initial phase I've really found some great experiences in the tech community as long as someone has done their homework and they bring an honest perspective to the table that this has been one of the more welcoming audiences that I think I've ever produced content for so I'm hoping that that's been so maybe this somewhere has yeah for sure I mean everyone's like there's are some mean comments but you have to like learn to look past them and a lot of them actually help you then better your content I feel like if they give you constructive criticism so I feel like it I mean I could be jinxing myself but I feel like so far it's been like a really positive experience for me I bet you agree with talking now especially well and again for for pocket now is you know my first month was like who's this guy why is he wearing I see question I guess I guess we're gonna I guess we're gonna be that guy awesome so I just kept wearing hats because I like it so um what do you have what you have coming up next on on Android Central you're you're reviewing the 1+5 do you you recently spent some time with a moto is that one of the phones that you just recently reviewed yeah so the 1+5 is actually going on my personal channel I'm doing like three week later of you but for Android Central my video like daga or two days ago was the Moto G 5 compared to the Moto e 4 and I know that the Moto G 5 isn't covered as much because it's not available in the US but I actually really enjoyed my time and it's an awesome budget phone so that that was kind of surprising to me we actually didn't get to spend any time with any of the Moto G's this year I was kind of bummed because like I did a lot of content on the G fours last year so the United States is only getting the g5 plus what were some of the differences on the g5 versus the g5 plus and why do you think it maybe didn't get that push in the United States so I also tried out the g5 plus and I think that the g5 plus is a lot better feeling in hand it's a lot thinner and it's also a little bit bigger it's a 5.2 inch screen versus a 5-inch screen so it definitely is a better phone in that field hand but it's also more expensive moto normally releases um one phone and then a plus version of that phone which is always a little bit better but a little bit more expensive so I think that the g5 plus is still a good enough phone and it still is a low enough price that moto probably didn't feel the need to release the g5 also I bet that they probably just want to just like have more people buy the more expensive one but the g5 is like $200 in Amazon right now and for that price it's really really impressive it has like a 1080p screen has a fingerprint sensor it has a decent camera not ideal and then the speaker said I've been surprisingly really good it's like even better than like the LG G 6 which is like saying a lot considering how expensive the G 6 is now it's been partly my hypothesis that a lot of manufacturers will skip over the United States with some of these these more entry-level options like you were saying it's it's more likely that if Motorola puts out a g5 and a g5 plus only the plus will come to the United States now I wonder is there may be like a first world idea that manufacturers might be overlooking I think that there's an audience for 150 to 200 dollar phone in the United States an ear burner phone yeah I agree you're in the USA but it seems that manufacturers are reluctant to court that that market here yeah I mean you see while I also is like a really big player overseas but then here we don't really they're not as well-known to like the general public so yeah it is interesting a lot of the budget phones don't really get released here right away or if they do they're not necessarily made for the US like they have a lot of really heavy bloatware that you don't necessarily find in like other US phones so definitely is interesting but Motorola did release efore here which is 130 dollars or 70 with Verizon so that one definitely is a budget phone and a burner phone replacement but um literally a burner phone replacement with the Moto e so we've got a we've got a question here from the p-n weekly hash tag from gadget Devo and this one this one is tagged to you uh curious on your thoughts on the oneplus 5 versus the negativity of some of the coverage surrounding the 1+5 and you seem to be pretty positive on it I mean you're wrong but um I mean I look at this phone it literally looks like an R 11 or an iPhone 7 plus so I do mention that in my review it is kind of disappointing that oneplus didn't try to innovate with the design that kind of just took what was already working so one and I'm disappointed in them but on the other hand it actually has kind of worked to one pluses benefit because for the general public they see a phone like this which looks like an iPhone 7 plus has the same camera setup as an iPhone 7 plus for the most part and is a lot cheaper so I think even though they weren't really that creative and they copy a lot of things from Apple I do think that for its price point I actually think it's a better phone than the iPhone 7 plus like just if you think of like performance - the price ratio but I know a lot of people don't actually like it they're worth you issues with it like the jelly screen effect or the fact that they treated in the benchmarks which is a whole other thing but yeah I don't know I there's some things I love about and then some things I definitely don't but yeah I guess you find out more of my review what do you think oh I feel so bad for my audience I've prattled on so much about the 1 + 5 uh yeah you know what in in not sort of beating a dead horse I would say my biggest disappointments with oneplus in this generation are largely in line with what you just criticized a derivative design but I had it this really great commenter on one of my reviews who was like I never look at the back of my phone so why should I care and you're like you know what fair point yeah feels good in the hand and you like it then I guess that's fine but the but but I think maybe the biggest missteps were more company focused less device focused so the goodwill that this this brand has built up with tech enthusiasts because so few brands are really courting the Android enthusiasts so many companies are trying to pivot to a more mass-market audience but I kind of felt this generation sort of um not not soured the milk but maybe maybe did a disservice with some of that Android enthusiasts audience yeah what you're saying benchmark cheating you know rigging benchmarks that that it's not a huge deal no one's really buying phones based on benchmarks anymore but it's still a data point say like well why why would you do that when this phone is already a screamer and now it just makes me feel like this company is doing something again to try and force a narrative in in a really ham-fisted way and that makes me a little less trusting of this brand yeah very that complaints with the actual device it really did feel more like this company kind of got away from the media and the messaging that worked so well last year for the one plus three and the three t and that felt like a minor stumble like this this this whole year talking to this audience it didn't feel like they were firing on all cylinders yeah I agree and also just like simple things like when they always like try to portray themself as a small company when we all know that like they have a lot of money to spend like when they were commenting and like the Verge's exclusive video they said they didn't have the money to spend out like a bezel list or like an ear bezel of screen and I see how that could be true but I feel like they really could have pushed it a little bit more the bezels are definitely huge like if you put this phone next to an essay it just looks so ancient I don't know I mean like we have literally two phones that are pushing or I guess three if you can't like the me mix but that's not really a North American release yeah I guess that's true but you know I just think it's funny like how quickly I mean think about how viscerally fast that change happened from really trying to maximize a sixteen by nine screen device with the front home button or front fingerprint sensor to the LGG six comes out then the galaxy s 8 comes out two phones come out and they've completely wrecked I mean fundamental shift where now it's like I don't even want to look at it unless it's like an 85 percent zoom when the iPhone comes out it's just gonna be like even worse because in like every general consumer would normally buy Apple is now gonna like see that yeah well and that's why I make actually excited I'm I just I just finished cutting an iPhone 7 after the buzz you know like our revisit outcome long term we revisit two phones after we're done doing the main review and it wasn't one it was just kind of crazy like it's a sixteen by nine 720p display it's it's old and we're all really looking forward to seeing apples shift up something major but there's something that I think a lot of people might miss and just the consistency of the iPhone like you could give if you were to transplant someone from 10 years ago using the original iPhone and you to give them an iPhone 7 I don't think there would be a huge learning curve for that person to get so this major shake-up in hardware I bet there will be some people are like oh you know I kind of missed the home button you know I just kind of miss like this thing that I used to really like about my phone and you know the new screen is super sexy this new design is awesome it's finally something ultra fresh from Apple but as a victim of their own success I wonder if there will be some people who won't be like oh well yeah I mean it's like it's new and it's fresh and it's different and it's better but I kind of miss my old iPhone 5 yeah I mean the thing is like especially a lot of things in iOS are centralized around that home button like the multitasking or Siri like all of its kind of centralized around it so I definitely think it's gonna be more of a learning curve then past years like 3d touch shave and you didn't need it to use your phone so a lot of people don't ever use it so I think yeah people are like especially the older generations like people's grandparents have gotten so used to that hold on I think it's gonna be a learning curve for sure we have a we have a couple of comments here just circling back to to our conversation about the Moto e from Andrew Wallace hashtag P and weekly super budget devices are very popular here in the Midwest so he doesn't understand moto strategy from Peter hatin I just wonder how much how how much true budget phones really would sell in places like the US but apparently we're seeing some traction especially on unlocked handsets being sold through retailers like Amazon I'll be really curious to see you know especially with these new like instead of making their own fire phone it's they released a low cost phone and then put ads on it to cut the price even yeah and then following up from Peter Hayden some want and need affordability but they don't always get this from these from these mid rangers offer better but for not much less and I guess maybe that's that's one of the things that some III think one of the difficult ideas to overcome so you're using a 1 plus a 1 plus 5 and you recently were using a moto G now if you were sort of a regular consumer looking at picking up the phone how does the money make sense you have to pay $200 upfront for an entry-level phone but then you can go to any carrier and on a no interest loan with zero down if you've got decent credit go and get an $800 phone and just make monthly payments do you think Americans are kind of doing the math on that or do you think that there's a wedge that we can start better educating people as to where they can save money I mean I think that especially if it's someone's second phone I think that it doesn't really make sense to have two premium smartphones like I know a lot of people when I was asking I did like a periscope when I asked like who do you think this phone is for and a lot of people were saying that they would get it as like a backup phone so I think for that you're not gonna want to spend like $40 a month to get like a 7 plus or an S 8 if you can get a backup phone for 200 down because even though it's over a bunch of months eventually you are spending a lot of money so I think right for a backup phone it's actually a really good alternative but then someone brought up to me what about is getting a flagship from last year and that's a good point also because flagships normally even if they're like the last year's flagships like the s8 edge are still really great phones and there are similar prices like used on eBay - the newer budget phones that are coming out so I think that's a good point no but do you think that because I agree and actually this is a this is a question we got earlier in the day from Andrew Wallace also how would a 2015 flagship compared to a 2016 mid ranger curious on what on the parity of features when comparing them so you know it's been part of the the big debate how would you rank a last year flagship against some of these mid rangers do we think that the two to three hundred dollar budget section of the smartphone world has caught up enough to a phone from last year or do you think that the we're even going to get the same kind of software support like they might only get a year of updates where that flagship still might get a year of updates um I think that let's just say that s7 edge which is a really popular phone I think in camera performance it wins out above everybody phone the main issue that I always find when testing our budget phones is a camera quality is really not there so I think that in camera performance but especially with Motorola I actually prefer their self we're immensely over Samsung's it's so much more stock and clean so I think that in terms of self or you do get a better experience unlike the two to $300 phones if you're buying it from Motorola but in terms of hardware looks and the camera performance I think last year flagships always went out because they're still really good looking and comparisons like a beefy really thick phone the s7 edge is still like if you compare that to you next to each other I think most people would say the s7 edge is better looking I don't think anyone would disagree I'm so cranky I'm not the biggest fan of glass back phones but I think the work that Samsung has been doing in terms of design like every time a new from the galaxy s6 on every one of their phones I think has been a marvel of design and engineering but it makes me want to set it up on like on a little pedestal with a glass case under museum wide Inc it's very rarely the device that I want to take with me outside is why I've been anxious like we've been seeing rumors and we've been hearing you know like III think we did see something go through the FCC but we're really late in the summer now for a galaxy s 8 active you know a ruggedized version yeah of the SA so I'm like that used to be like my summer fix you know like I'm judging you over the summer and it always used to be the active I want to shift topics real quick this is a new story that a bunch of people sent in unfortunately I only have the tweet from Andrew but I know a number of other people have sent this in and and we did talk about it I think we did post a news piece on it on PocketNow but a phone manufacturer a luxury phone manufacturer virtu is going out of business they're liquidating jobs and even in trying to get communication from PR teams there they've already shut down payments BBC asked an external spokesman for Khan for for comment well it's gone into liquidation and I'm not being paid by them anymore that's all I have this that fell apart fast no the suasion so obviously when you talk about phones all you talk about are how pretty and shiny they are virtue was totally a company right up your alley right yes is a F that's how the kids are saying it these days for sure I don't actually like like the matte black more subdued phones I think that those like look better over time and they don't attract as much attention so I actually wasn't a fan of their phone design but I know a lot of people who her so I guess it's sad for people that like them I was obviously not the luxury market going III wonder is this a data point that maybe the idea of a smartphone as any kind of status symbol is maybe a waning idea do you think that we've kind of arrived at the at enough saturation that no one's really impressed you you could walk in with a $2,000 smartphone and people are not going to be impressed by that like they were in the early days of the iPhone um I mean I forgot there's a really a luxury car company that still produces phones I forget which one it is um I know like there's there's like Porsche design yeah okay they still influence other manufacturers but um it's usually their spin on a phone usually not their own yeah so I know that um a few years ago they made a luxury car company made a phone and I think it really did not do well sales wise it was selling for like two to three thousand dollars and I think it really plummeted because because I guess a ton of money and I remember this fax inside of it were actually last year aspects like the year before was relief so it was really just like a fashion symbol but read just came out with a phone and a lot of people put money down on it just because of who red is but they saw one photo of it and like one page respect so I definitely still think that there's a marketplace for buying phones from companies that have a name for themselves without much knowledge of it but I don't know the $1500 red phone is definitely gonna have to do something uh pretty amazing to be worth that and we're not gonna see it until quarter 1 of 2018 which is crazy well but I I think that's actually a really great point to bring up because I feel like no one is really gonna be looking at a phone from red and like I spent $1,500 because it's got a Halloween leather back studded with diamonds there's they're spending you know 1,500 bucks on hopefully what will be one of the best mobile camera experiences yeah he's ever seen and to your point I mean obviously I often when we would look at virtue I've never held a revert to phone I'm actually just because it's so audacious to charge that much money for often you know older specs and you're like I remember virtue phones being launched not even a year out of date but sometimes two years software just ridiculously outpaced by what was current no sense of updates but they were early in using synthetic sapphire for this screen so it was an expensive front glass that was hard to scratch but you were on a three-generation yeah I mean I the people that are buying that phone I don't think are buying it as a Android fanatics like oh I need the most recent software I think that they're buying it more is like a symbol of kind of who they are and they like the looks at the phone so I don't think that necessarily it's for the people that want like the latest Snapdragon chips and the latest software I don't think that the buyers of that phone like the niche actually cared that much about that I could be wrong I don't think you are but that's what I think is so interesting again we're watching the premium market sort of plateau this is something that I think Apple is is trying to address right there there they become more of a lifestyle brand than I think a tech enthusiasts brand yeah I gave that whole sport that Apple logo in a way that I think is more lifestyle defining you know this is this is this speaks to like sort of my personality and this speaks to the other brands that I like to interact with like my favorite pair of jeans are yeah my favorite sneakers I kind of feel like outside of a company like Samsung or outside of a company like Apple the conversation has walked completely away from a mobile device being any kind of status you know I I you know you can look at someone walking around with an iPhone 7 and I don't think there's any general perception around that individual that they've got something special not like a really expensive watch or a multi-thousand dollar purse or handbag or yeah especially since you can sorry you can get no no please please God especially since you can get it like $40 a month now it's not like you need like a ton of money to buy it where as like with the Apple watch edition or something that was definitely like a fashion symbol like you're spending 10 grand on a watch it's gonna be out getting a year you obviously are like buying it for the fashion State so I think that yeah I don't really think that you're like oh my gosh this person has so much money when like you see them with an iPhone 7 now whereas maybe in the past like the really a lot older I thought I think that people would have been like more impressed now I mean just to kind of put a put a pin in virtue I think one of the things that is kind of III guess surprising was a couple weeks ago we were hearing word that virtue was gonna be working with a manufacturer TCL the maker of the new BlackBerry key one they asked the Alcatel the idol line and I guess that's what's maybe kind of surprising is just how abrupt the end of this company was they had plans to be working on a next generation of devices with a manufacturer that's bringing a lot of credit credibility to the table um what do you think this might mean for other companies trying to get into this space I kind of feel like unless you're an Andy Rubin on the essential phone no one seems to be particularly interested in a new player entering the market without some serious backing yeah I think that as we already mentioned like right I think if you already have like a past history I they're in a different market or in Android as the central phone does I think that it's still there's still like an opportunity for it to come into the market but I really think that the only opening for someone brand new is going to be in the super budget game people are always looking for like the new one plus one so I think that there's still opportunity but I don't think that there's opportunity for someone to come in and be like here's our $800 phone I think that you need it bring something unique and you need to bring it at like a low price point in order to actually be heard I I completely agree well and and also I think that's where some of the more exciting work has been lately you you see you know the fact that I'm talking about is ete I'm anxious to see what the next axon is gonna bring to the table yes something two years ago I never would have imagined that these players would be as as aggressive as they they are for for these markets um let me get a already lost we had a comment replying to the difference between older flagships versus newer mid Rangers from random P after cracking my 18 TS 7 edge I bought a used Exynos model off of ebay I loved it last year's flagships are still great yeah and then we have a question here Oh ed maudlin had a comment on the active hey guys except for the fingerprint sensor the s8 plus carries it but don't let the active be ugly I think that's kind of the point I still think the s6 active is the best that phone has ever looked I think it got a little just Bulbasaur a little chunky chunky on the s7 active but I don't know maybe the the skinnier screen might help minimize so I mean it's fake Emily how great are you gonna make it like the s6 I have an s6 active somewhere in my terrible shelf of devices and it's that blue fake but the blue is kind of cool you know you were saying like you like matte finished phones because they they held up hold up longer over time something about blue I have only not the company but the color yeah I have only been asked out in public about blue phones it was the honoré the pixel and now oh the Huawei p10 and those are the only phones like were people and not like a person like a checkout line in a grocery store but multiple people have asked me usually it's what kind of case do you have on your iPhone that looks really great but they're they're drawn to something kind of like shiny and blue that when phones were yellow or red or green like all of my old Lumias but blue blue seems to catch the eye and blue seems to catch the imagination I think the new honor phone is like this really shiny shiny blue and that looks great like that gets your attention right away no I and I really dig that honor glass look again I want to put it on a pedestal so you can see all of the really fancy light reflecting effect it's a fingerprint like I need gotta throw that class that plastic I tried to say clear plastic garden I failed three times that clear plastic snap-on case or a bumper case and that kind of diminishes what I think is aesthetically pleasing about that about that look I mean and the only other time I've actually been asked out in public is if I have like a D brown skin or color or skin people like no two seconds if you apply them right they actually look pretty good so if I have like some I was rocking at the hot pink carbon fiber and I was asked a ton about that but other than that the only times I've ever been asked it's like what the blue pixel as you said you never get asked otherwise yeah I don't know again I I wonder what what that might speak to um in terms of just aesthetic and design I do have a question here just kind of shift shift gears and talk about some more industry stuff put you on the spot because okay from from Dennis Kapoor saw cockapoos ax I've butchered your name and I apologize his Twitter profile pic is in lg g5 with 5g right around the corner when can we expect devices with it does that mean new 4G phones will suddenly have a shorter lifespan what do you think I mean we've been starting to flirt with 5g networks here in the United States 18 t Verizon they're all making noise about their future rollout plans for what future data might look like but do you think that this is some people should be worried about now when making a purchasing decision since we like to hold on to our phones longer than than we used to um I I don't think so I think that if you could buy phone I are probably keeping it for two years I think is like what most people do um if you buy a condo I think the average is now somewhere close for like twenty six months I mean like oh wow we're starting to really stretch how long we're keeping a phone and I think a part of that is because we're not we're making monthly payments on it you know when you see your bill cut by thirty bucks a month you know I can kick this for a little while longer yeah I don't necessarily think that that's gonna I think it's definitely gonna change in the market I there's definitely still coverage issues with certain carriers I know that key movil always pushes cheaper prices but their coverage is really not great in my experience so I think that there's still a long way to go for 4G coverage to get better before we have to start worrying about 5g coverage and our phones being obsolete from that I think that people they buy phone a blue still be fine in a few years do you agree that well III think no I do I I do it's um it's one of those things like for example t-mobile just opened up some new spectrum and we had some people asking about that and it was gonna be at a lower frequency for better building penetration but it there is sort of a little bit of a chicken and an egg you know once you have that network up and running what phones are compatible do you try and future-proof with the purchase does that mean waiting another year before you might want to buy a phone and I'm kind of of the mind like I think for me the commentary is like I I really want people to be holding onto these as long as they can and and I don't mean that like you should hold on to a phone that's dying past the time where it's really serviceable or reliable but you know we've got a lot of concerns coming up in technology in general even just outside of the mobile space I think battery markets are gonna get very cutthroat and very competitive and pricing is going to fluctuate once more electric vehicles are hitting the roads once more home batteries you know Tesla's Tesla won't be the only company offering some kind of giant home battery yeah these materials are you know our precious materials to be throwing around and especially for how much of this stuff ends up is a waste yeah I think that's gonna be a concern in general so I really hope that we see better longer-term support I think 18 months is becoming inadequate in Android land for software support if someone's holding on for 24 to 28 months 18 months of software support bug fixed bug fixes security updates is inadequate and so my my horse in this race is can we find a way to legitimately improve quality of life later into a phone supply cycle to kind of help minimize the impact on some of these issues so I think it's precious I think it's important that people are looking at the future of 5g in spectrum and things like that but I think that'll go hand-in-hand with the data center the data center and backhaul improvements that will also improve LTE over that transitionary generation so let's say you bought a phone right before an explosion of 5g stuff was was launched and you're now that that schmuck who's an old crappy device I think a lot of the stuff that's gonna make 5g Bible will help improve the 4G situation Tran Tran transition so I don't know that again I want to preface this I think people should be aware especially US techies that have to make they have to help family members and friends but I don't think it's gonna be critical just yet I think we're gonna be looking into next year before I would start saying hold off on making a purchase let's wait to see what happens and then we'll go from there I think this year and into next year we're pretty safe still on LTE and I mean even the other main issue with phones like I can't believe it some people are keeping them for like twenty eight months because of battery technology like how long the phone actually last really takes a hit especially I'm you and iPhone 7 plus is like a co daily driver to get iOS and Android and the battery life on it is terrible now I am have trouble making it through a day and in the beginning I was getting like a day and a half or two days so I think that keeping your phone's for a long time solver should be you mentioned but I think we also really need to focus on improving batteries and making them last for how long were to keep them now which is like two years they're a little bit longer because right now they just don't last yeah I think you know I would love to see a concerted effort from a manufacturer to really engage in better battery recycling you know if you're gonna build the battery in because you want to improve things like durability or water resistance I would love to see a Samsung or an LG make this process really easy for me to do a two year refresh where I send my phone into them maybe I get a loaner device or I have a backup phone or something and they can safely open up the phone swap out the battery return the phone to me I know that that battery is not ending up in a landfill that they can do whatever they can to recycle what might be recyclable from that battery and I get a device that has day one brand new device battery again that used to be my favorite thing to do back in the day when all phones had a removable backs is after a year I would buy an extra internal battery and then I would have two batteries and one of them was brand spanking new so it was like I had a fresh device all over again and that has been I think one of the saddest things about watching these things get sealed up yeah I think that we definitely I think Apple actually makes like a effort to try to recycle stuff and they're making more of an effort now but no manufacturer is really putting the time into it I think they like to say that they are for like show but I definitely think that has to be more of a thing because if people keep upgrading their smartphones every two years or even a little bit longer there's still tons of smart phones that are just like wasting and hurting the environment so yeah I would love to see a manufacturer like actually devote some time to that well and I I wonder if maybe there's not a market for paying for support or something I mean just kind of spitballing when we see that there like galaxy s4 is like our president I think is still using a galaxy right you know he's not rocking of her too using like an old busted galaxy to do all of his late-night tweeting I would feel better if our commander in chief had up-to-date security software just know he's not gonna get the newest version of the Android operating system but for for bug fixes for malicious software for security issues yeah what is this through running it's got to be what did it Scotty really old software now yeah I mean like even if did it did it did it make them move to the lollipop know if it's nothing if it's not a lollipop that's sad he's dead I can't okay Gordon good $40 a month come on you know you don't get to you don't get to stay rich by just throwing money don't want to get into politics no fire way to fire up chattin conversation that probably won't be fun and well yeah it probably won't end well um I do want to shift gears here real quick um let me get this out of like sorry I've got some other show notes up here Jules mentioned we were talking about some of some of the background on you doing our dossier that you had also done some some some personal work for for charity work or for t-shirt designer yeah something I was hoping you could you could kind of talk us through that explain what it was that you were doing because it sounded pretty cool thank you uh so I make t-shirt designs like tech designs on t-shirts that go along with my channel but you don't have to be a subscriber to my channel or like my channel to wear them and they're kinda just like cool tech based designs so I've done five of them now so for every single design I'm giving 10% of the profit to a nonprofit organization so the way I'm trying to involve my viewers in it is I have you or Sammy like which ones they want me to do and why so for the fifth one and now every 5th generation like every five I'm gonna give a hundred percent of the profit to it so I'm on the fifth generation right now so we're giving a hundred percent to the st. Jude's Children's Research which was recommended by one of my viewers so I decided to do that one and we had like Jonathan Morrison support it which was pretty cool so it actually sold really well also which is great because now we get to give back so that's what I've been trying to do if you want to check them out you can just look up MDT's in line they are all based around tech Android phones and stuff like that and the fifth one is ending in a day or so so yeah trying to give back I guess I don't know so get them all they're high cuz you yeah a day yeah and then you stop watching this podcast and then the next one is coming out like next week right now is it gonna be the same the same structure the same charity I think a different charity I'm waiting on which one I'm gonna do I'm gonna do a poll on Twitter and see which one people want to give back to you a lot of people have like personal stories with them like for a cancer hospital pediatric cancer was one people someone had experienced something with that so they wanted me to get back to it so I'll do it like for that it's not I just go through and pick like which one I'm most passionate about but yeah it's it's been like a really fun thing to be able to create what I personally think coal designs and then also give back at the same time so yeah it's been cool right on III would you know let me know when the poll is out and I'll help give it a I'll give it a tweet I'll give it okay you can get some more input I would I would humbly maybe ask on the pole for the JDRF okay I'm gonna write that down that's that sort of art in house I'm so it was like for all my hardware I donate like all of our old phones to cell phones for soldiers because I'm a military brat but then for all of our financial contributions we go we go JDRF that everyone who's watching this or listening to this podcast should all vote for the JDRF a real quick uh ed maudlin at tech files did get he's he's one of my best go two's whenever we're doing one of these live he looks up stuff away faster than lollipop was the last official release for the for the guy yes so unless unless our commander-in-chief is really up on his custom I'm sure you know the secret services it would be thrilled and our security agencies would be with love to have a president using you know a smartphone with custom community built software yeah lollipop wow that feels like such a long time ago well it was I mean you know this stuff cycles so quickly and again we got a number of people talking 24 months seems to be like what should be mandatory even though that's not really what we get for for smartphone support it's you know we have this idea of planned obsolescence and commercialism and and and how these products are sort of they sort of encourage people to buy new stuff it's more an emotional purchase than it is or what yeah but I really do think that even if the industry itself doesn't motivate this change that consumers are gonna start realizing some of the limitations of how we're currently doing business or some of some of the downsides of how we're currently doing business and and I think the the industry will sort of chain the consumers will sort of change the industry around so hopefully yeah 18 months is really not a long time for an $800 phone they should be supported I feel like they should be supporting that for at least like two and a half to three years and again I don't think anyone would would expect you know three major number versions of Android as updates yeah but when we see how many devices are out in the ecosystem you know again running lollipop and KitKat and just just really really old gear especially around the world this isn't necessarily even like the first world issue yeah helped developed issue I just the notion that those phones are not getting security updates I think is a Windows XP zombie problem ready waiting to happen um when we see the Internet of Things you know IOT devices getting hacked to become bought armies I don't think it's necessarily out of the realm of imagination that that could start happening to older phones - I mean I hope it does I think that Apple is actually one of the best in supporting all their phones all right like I think that they still support the iPhone 5 with I think and I think yeah the iPhone 5 has still been getting again more like patches and bug fixes I do think the iPhone 5 I don't know someone's someone's gonna correct me because I'm probably wrong because I don't spend a lot of time on iPhones I don't know did the iPhone 5 get an official iOS 10 I'm not positive I know that the six did but I'm not all right hopefully someone teases us if not I can look it up online but yeah I mean notoriously though Apple is always like actually done a good job supporting I think that oneplus has not done a great job supporting software I think that they I don't think that they support did they support the oneplus 2 still so here's the problem oneplus I you know if I were to try and anticipate the response that we would get in comments on one place it would be that one plus past tense did a good job of supporting me yes but the oneplus 2 is officially off the reservation yeah unless - will not be getting a new kit update and I think again that was just a little uncertainty to throw into that that enthusiast community you like if I spend $500 on this phone am i only going to get one major Android update and it's impossible to predict and that that make someone feel a little shaky about a purchase of that magnitude yes that's right that it's not on like a monthly plan I think that I could be wrong here but I think one plus you pay full and you can't like you monthly right I don't think they have any kind of payment plan like I don't yeah their own financing I mean and they are cheaper than other Android phones but the oneplus 2 I know a lot of people still actually using it wasn't that long ago no it really wasn't especially in the grand scheme of again it would be coming up on end of life just in time for one last big developer push to support it so that it can go out gracefully but it doesn't seem like that's gonna be the case we did get replies from Renato Laporte and Edie maudlin the iPhone 5 is apparently up-to-date that it's not only on iOS you can get the iOS 11 beta wow 5s that's actually impressive props to them especially because the I think the iPhone 5 is still the best-looking iPhone that Apple has ever created yeah and I thought yeah the iPhone se also looks like it and that's a lot newer but she's obviously still supported but hopefully we see a refresh of that soon I don't think we will but Abby I don't think we will I'll be curious to see I wonder if the iphone 7 design will become the the SE e oh yeah probably know what I mean like so we'll get the the iPhone 6 will be the sort of budget phone the iPhone 7 will become the mid-range price point iPhone 8 will be $1000 plus yeah price of the iPhone 8 crazy you know it's making me nervous we had someone else I I lost I lost the tweet sorry but someone else was asking about galaxy note the note 8 iPhone $8,000 phones and I really want to see what we can what we can expect in terms of that consumer experience and how many people are still likely to gravitate towards a purchase that big on a mobile device I just I have fears just you know it's this lifestyle durability thing like spending a thousand dollars on something that's gonna be in my pocket that's gonna get thrown around that's gonna get messed up it's gonna get scratched or dropped or kicked or you know my daughter's gonna use it as a freebie yeah I freaked out about like what what does that mean for for the future of premium high-end smartphones especially if Apple releases the edition and then a regular phone as some people are kind of speculating I think that they're gonna actually lose a lot of people like I don't think a lot of people are gonna buy like the flashy good-looking phone I think a lot of people can't really afford to do that reasonably because to buy a thousand-dollar phone and an upgrade in two years or three years even it's a ton of money to spend and even with the note aid that's there'd be a ton of money and it's gonna be hard I think especially with the note Fe coming out I think it's gonna be hard for people to justify the note 8 over that well I mean the one thing Samsung has going for them there is like how few places have really locked in on the fe you know like enough enough sort of interstate commerce and regulators or like it's an oak side and nothing used to blow up yeah I mean I don't I don't understand releasing that again but you know if they've got the shelves for it and they can make some money on it I mean I get it but for me I really think like it would have just been best to kind of move on yeah well Josh let it let it I mean literally yeah let it die and focus on theirs their recent successes with this new s8 form factor and what that can mean for the note but I've we've we've been chatting for a little while here we're getting close to that hour mark so I kind of want to wrap this up but I want to use you joining the show to do a little bit of an experiment and something that I want to play around with more future tech tech reviewers join the show so I want to put you on the spot things we didn't prep prep you for uh and rapid-fire three main questions just to close out the show and you got to give me your sort of like knee-jerk reactions there question number one what is the first app you always install on all of your smart phones ways ways question number two out of all of the current phones that are currently available for consumers to purchase at the time this video was shot if you had to spend three years with only that phone what fun would it be I say I say it I don't know software support though it's a little bit I'll accept I'll answer and question over three what is your favorite Italian dish pasta sorry it was chicken catch it oh so close two out of three good that's that's still technically a passing grade in at least the high school that I went to well Jacqueline I want to thank you for joining us this was a fun conversations to kind of help us unpack some of the news and help us stroll through our RPN weekly hashtag on Twitter answer some of those questions from our viewers before before we wrap this all up your YouTube check your personal YouTube channel is NBT eighty eight uh youtube.com backslash nothing but tech 88 with to nothing my sake to you yeah so each word has its own t oh you did that is that fancy like smashing together yeah I should have I don't know I'm retrospect I should've considering how it spells out if you like put it together you think about it well and also that that would be kind of like you people would always double take on it nothing but tech proper grammar and spelling you know in my day we used to Reeve everything so they can catch you on YouTube there they can also catch your upcoming work on Android Central you said you you're gonna be spending some time doing some 1+5 coverage for them I know for me and then all these other stuff but we're doing weekly stuff from there also right on so and then I post like everything on my Twitter for both channels so you can follow me on there also I guess plugging right now Twitter handle is is what he yes nailed it I got it excellent all right well thank you so much for joining us this week and and I definitely keep me posted on the poll because I want to help share that too III asked the charity work and I want people to be on the lookout for that folks there you have it this episode of the pocket now weekly has come and gone this show is over but the conversation continues on Twitter where you can find Jacqueline as at n bt 88 whitey Jules is at point jewels and I'm humbly at some gadget PocketNow is around the web on Twitter Instagram Facebook Google+ 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