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let me make sure that the that Windows I have to do this every single time that Windows is not doing its stupid crap windows life yeah right the thirst is real for the pixel 3 and the pixel 3 XL but part of the reason why we are so anticipating this phone is not just because it's the next pixel but it's because we start to see that people actually have them already someone explain to us what's going on here I mean it seems like the phone is already on sale but before we get into the pixel 3xl we're going to talk a little bit about wall ways a little bit of a flip up in terms of their future phones and how they take their selfie photos after all an ad came out and there's a little bit of controversy around it also on this show we're going to talk about what the iPhones might be able to do this year considering that the iPhone 10 seems to be becoming popular again and there's a Nokia phone the best one you can get out there these are all questions that may or may not be answered but there is one thing that we can't answer for you it's how we feel so far about the poco phone el Poco Loco as it worked hello everybody and welcome to episode three one nine of the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on this today the 23rd of august 2018 from smartphones to tablets to wearables and so much more these are all the things that you dreamed of having since you were a kid so let's go ahead and get talking I am your host for the weekly it's Joshua for Gardo what's going on everybody and joining us today is as it says here in my jewels written script mr. positivity himself Brandon minimun how's it going Brandon hi why am i mr. positivity you kind of are to be honest mr. power of positivity over there I've never seen you without a smile on your face personal awesome I appreciate that and I try not to be missing exactly on this episode as well we have also a pretty special guest who is celebrating his 10th anniversary at pocket now this very week and Tandy naggy how's it going Anton it is awesome thank you very much for having me good morning - no not good evening everybody it's been a little while since we've seen each other huh it's been like three or four months we started to talk about that before we went on here whenever we were in in Korea for the g7 launch yeah exactly that was a really fun time - it was and finally we have our producer back in the booth we missed you last week and I got that just as much as you do and like I said this is my Jules written script here so it says here the poco pushing podcast producer Jules well yeah all right so we're gonna we're gonna check in with our panel more in the midpoint of our show so we're gonna get straight into the news right now there's actually quite a lot to talk about and as usual with every week in the world of smartphones there's quite a bit of speculation but what is interesting about this first story is that we're actually getting some examples of what we are speculating on and that either pisses us off or it makes us more excited the pixel 3xl just keeps appearing in the flesh and people are taking pictures of it on subways and then this new piece of information came out from Russia Russian site Rosetta I really think I've said that wrong apparently obtained a fully furnished pixel three XL package and of course it was from an anonymous source but we're gonna just say Google probably and they claim that Google lost track of an entire shipment of finished devices but this is the one that they've gone ahead and unboxed we get a really good look at everything that is in the box with the pixel 3 Excel as well as the phone itself now we'll talk about the design of the phone in a little bit but I want to get some quick reactions or rather just some reactions from all of you about just this phone in general why you think these leaks are happening so much and if you're excited about not just the phone but also the content contents of the box because I have a couple things I want to say about that let's start off with Amazon since it's your first show back in a bit thank you and the being my tenth anniversary can I allow can I be allowed to be off script just for a couple of seconds Jules oh yeah could you do me a favor and and lock the camera on you for a second on me on you yes this is what I'd see when I'm looking at Jules now can you lock the camera on me please you're getting one of these it's not necessarily for your hair my friend yeah we're going to shave we're gonna have this what's the brand on the hashtag shape that my shave that dead cat on my freakin camera here now it's huge I get it's lovely but I had like I'm talking right over it and I have to put those clothes out there and without this dead cat then they'd be just flying all over the place and your ears would be boggled so it's here for a necessities sake but I totally get it I would love to have that Gillette blade come over and just I don't know if the reports are true and there's any indication that there might be true apparently Google has lost an entire shipment of pixel three folks finished phones I'm not sure how one can misplace or lose an entire shipment that's that's the rumor out there if it's true we might see these of course pop up on eBay or on other sites which are selling phones and we might see even reviews of a phone which has not yet been announced at all or it will be announced in a couple of months as of whether I'm excited or not about the pixel three XL or the pixel three at this point in time I think it's too late for me to become anything similar or close too excited because we feel or at least I personally feel that I already know this phone so well I've seen it I've seen it I know what's what's inside it and no I don't like that huge notch but I can live with it that's not the problem I have that feeling which I usually have after using the phone for a couple of weeks or months that this brings no more joy and excitement to my life because that particular period of no honeymoon phase is over and it's funny because it was a honeymoon without actually being a honey yeah it's like that phantom feeling of knowing a phone without I mean you've seen all the leaks as we all know the rumours benchmarks and whatnot but it's just you don't have in your hand and you know but we know enough from past experience because of course Ra'zac kid decided to take a whole bunch of photos and publish a sample online it looks pretty similar to what the pixel two was able to put out and from what we've been able to say about it that's been very nice camera on the back yeah yeah so you can't run the back but we mentioned the notch a little bit and what I kind of wanted to ask in terms of just the design that we've seen through these leaks and through these spotted in the wild photos that we've had so you have the pixel too and then you have the pixel 2xl it seems that the excel is though if we correct me if I'm wrong but of course we don't know if I'm wrong because the phone's not even out yet but the pixel pixel 3xl potentially is the one with the notch while the smaller ones just gonna retain the same design more or less yeah how is that why not put the notch on the smaller one in order to get a little bit more screen real estate that's something that kind of perplexes me I think they're trying to I'm not sure who is manufacturing the pixels this year whether it's LG HTC or somebody else but they're definitely manufacturing them by Google's direct and strict instructions I think that Google is trying to cater to both audiences I mean the notch the notch has been the most polarizing topic of the past two or three years in the smartphone business and there are people who love it there are people who hate it and there are people who just go with it regardless and I think that with this and I'm not sure that there will be any other difference between the two say for some minimal aspects they're trying to cater to both audiences and as such boost their sales before I guess I was actually gonna go to your Brendan go for it yeah yeah it's so funny because in the last like two weeks I've been messaging people in the industry and saying like hey Jaime I've been feeling very upset about the design of the pixel 3 Excel I think that not just too big and then it occurred to me and and I and I mentioned this last week that there's probably a reason for the knotch being so big and for the pixel 3xl having it in the pickle 3 knot and I think the reason is face ID I think that Google is copying the feature that Apple introduced last year and in order to do that you need extra hardware whether it's an extra camera or an infrared flood illuminator and it makes sense that they would put it on the Excel model I'm not the regular model because that's a more premium feature so I think that the knotch is big for a reason I think it's a touch ID competitor not touch ID face ID so that's what I think about the big notch but it does upset me but it's for a reason if you're talking about touch ID I mean Google pixel already wins it because the iPhone 10 doesn't have it and yeah which is probably the number one thing that I really missed from the iPhone 10 personally but without even getting into any of that hopefully the face ID competitor is going to be pretty compelling especially coming from the Google side of things though face unlock has been around in Android for a little while already so it's not as if there's a huge leap happening there they're just gonna be a bit of extra technology that makes it better I suppose but there's one thing I wanted to mention before I move on to our next topic if you look at the contents of the box am I the only one that absolutely adores the fact that it comes with pixel buds style ear buds that are USBC I just I really loved the rope hook design of the pixel but I'm probably the only one but I like this a lot I mean well it's kind of hard to tell from the picture here that we were provided it's white so anything kind of looks out of matte or slick if it's white but I mean the general bud style of that extra hoop with the plastic little pad thing mm-hmm like I don't know how that feels for you it may have been the best fit for you but I've been hearing a lot of critical response against that design so I mean you know take your pick air pods or anything else that are on the market just kind of you never really get a win a definitive win in this category I'm sorry go ahead I'll just go say Brandon's gonna Brandon's title of mr. Paws I'm giving it a run for its money cuz I I loved it that to me that's such a quirky and interesting way of creating a hook design in an earbud and I just that's the reason why I liked it so much and it didn't it didn't hurt me at all I know some people found it uncomfortable but anyway Tony you were saying I was locked on this picture ever since I saw it and I was looking at the email address on those own said I was just checking literally whether the google.com domain actually exists its redirects to Google so somebody is either toying with us or somebody made a huge typo I'm not sure what's going on there but if anything from that picture that particular email address I found fishy because if that's a Google email address and it's a typo then that person is going to be probably in in the leap or if it's not then somebody is really really playing with us yeah definitely and speaking with speaking of people just playing us all over the place okay so we do have to move into a huawei story that might seem a little bit familiar I I love when this happens because it gives you sort of a sneak peek into like the marketing 101 that these companies have and whether or not you're actually very upset about the fact that Huawei seems to have doctored in a very very obvious way the front-facing selfies of their phones there was an ad that came out in Egypt for the huawei nova 3 and in the ad there's someone taking several selfies with the phone and their significant other well that's significant other this lovely lady who went on to social media and posted some behind the scenes photos of how they did this ad kind of gave the forum away like just just romance that this selfies looks so good this is the part that is so incredulous to me because I looked at I watched the ad and obviously the ad is available on YouTube you could see it for yourself and it's also available at the Oracle at pocketnow.com but what you'll see is this photo on the person's Instagram showing behind the scenes of the gentleman holding his hand out with nothing in it and the tan is right next to the actual camera lens kind of like this if you're watching the live REO that's that's a nice that's nice selfie Josh so some hot takes on this one but also like yeah okay we we obviously understand smart phones being reviewers and whatnot but also as consumers don't we also understand as general consumers that no selfie looks that good so why is it that some people would get upset at this realized without realizing that it's a marketing strategy why would you suspend disbelief that this selfie looks that good when none of them ever looked that good in the first place even on a pixel but anyway general thoughts on this little controversy you know how they have how Apple has billboards on the side of major roads and in like Times Square a billboard the size of it's really really big you know what I mean yeah yeah do you really and it says like shot on iPhone and it's like a scene of a mountain do you really think that that picture was taken on an iPhone there's no way it's not it needs to be like hundreds of megapixels right so like this happens all the time I don't know why people would get upset about it I mean I'm sure the front-facing camera on the Nova 3 is quite serviceable especially if you have good lighting and you're not ugly but like this is just so common why is it a surprise yeah it's all about ad trades I mean we've seen a lot of this you know behind the scenes for food where you stick a cotton ball soaked in water and you heat it in the microwave and then you place it behind a bowl and then it becomes a steaming bowl of food like they use these little tricks to demonstrate or VOC qualities of the product or to demonstrate a feature of that product in in lieu of having the product for one reason or another maybe the production unit has not been made available to the ad crew or something like that so you make do and I don't think it's entirely fair that every single time we go after a company for these tactics like there there are some things that should be scrutinized like if they're making a specific performance performance points and they're using comparatives one-on-one comparisons of devices like that should be really taken into view that should be looked at very very closely other than that I really don't see anything here well Anton you you wrote you broke the news on this one and you also got updates from Huawei themselves you want to yeah sure but I want to just do a short you know trip down memory lane it was 2012 and I was back then just a senior editor at pocket now I was covering Aoife in Berlin for 48 2012 edition and it was late in the evening because my post went up at 3 something eastern time which translates today 10 p.m. in in Berlin when I saw the first Lumia I'm not even sure what kind of Lumia ad that was when there was a clear reflection of Nokia or Nokia's ad team using a professional camera rig to film a video presentation or a video ad which was claimed to be filmed on that particular and if my memory serves that was the first instance where we saw either a company or an advertising company mislead us this way and ever since then it's become a trend now I'm not saying I'm not saying I approve this I'm and in the post I even said that I'm not even sure this was who always decision maybe just the a production company went the extra mile they wanted to make a great ad and that's pretty much it but yes Huawei reached out to me but just like minutes after posting that particular article and they sent me two updates first one was a translation from arabic arabic i'm sorry to english which was a disclaimer at the end of the ads saying that misquote that the product images and contents are provided for reference only and then the second update was that the purpose of this advertisement is to demonstrate how consumers can use the features so it's basic marketing talk of a company that knows they messed up even if it's not a direct mess up but they're now trying to just sue them or change the conversation a little bit yes they did it people did it before people will did it after them I'm not reading too much into this but I personally disagree with this kind of advertisements hmm yeah I think I think that there are very valid arguments for why this this level of I'll use the word trickery is is used and it wasn't there another wall we won because I was I was on it I was on a different show the other day and they just about how while we used it was Huawei right that you see yes images and doctored those that actually kind of made me mad because when I when I when I see that like you're literally taking someone else's work and making it your own like that's something that really upsets me as a creator in this case yes it's deceiving because it's not the phone itself but they go through the actual process of creating the ad which to me is okay that part is okay there's a creation aspect to it but in the other in the other case where they use the stock photo that's just straight copying that's just straight taking away that that one I really didn't like and this one or different layers to this kind of thing yes exactly so while the trickery is deceiving and it's not something that we're all I would say probably everyone here is not really in support of this kind of practice at the same time like I really the only person I really feel bad for is the actress who now no longer will ever work with Huawei ever again it's really my one my one piece of sadness from this story oh my be sore sadness is a little bit bigger larger it it can be basically summed up to a simple thought we are in the business and we are watching the business closely so we know what we're talking about and we spot when we see it but yeah my mother your sister is watching an ad on TV or on YouTube says oh my God look at the selfies this photo is creating or snapping and they go by that phone and they snaps Nell fee after selfie after selfie a hundred selfies later they return the phone because it's bad to get a new on a replacement and it's still bad now should I sue the company for a misleading ad or should I never buy anything from that particular company or should I just give it a pass this is my main because we cannot be influenced but a typical average not well informed the user can really be influenced by this well you know grandma who just bought the Nova 3 should have asked for grandson who is in the phone industry grandson what phone should I get I like the big selfies this Nova 3 looks great should I buy that I saw the innit and then you'd be like grandma no why don't you get an iPhone or a samsung galaxy s 9 which has a fantastic front-facing camera and regardless of what phone you get make sure there's enough light on your beautiful face before you take the picture or else it won't work also grab know you're a witch you can create a better phone than that just by alchemy also grandma what are you doing in Egypt yeah thoughts aside on advertisements like this maybe we will end up seeing more of this happen because there is another phone that while we is slated to announce in the coming months and we are getting as usual leaks galore on this kind of thing so the meet 20 the May 20 protein meet 20 light whatever you want to kind of speculate might be getting announced or released the guys over at xda-developers commissioned and published renders of the may 20 based on new details and photographs that the outlet that you guys obtained from an anonymous source now the device itself does have what you might be able to call a teardrop notch it'll be more like the essential phones where it's really only housing the camera and then speaking of cameras on the rear there is an l-shape of three different cameras are you still getting three much like on the p20 pro but they're in a different configuration now any thoughts or any excitement over the mate 20 especially considering what we've seen in the p20 earlier this year i'm really always super excited about the full flexion from Huawei because that sets the tone for whatever we're going to see next it's gonna have the new Kiran processor is going to have advancements and it's gonna probably reuse all the cool stuff from the b20 pro I agree with Stud the renders which have been published with the teardrop thing with with removing the fingerprint scanner and button finally from the front of the phone what I do not agree with and I'm gonna argument it is the back of the phone and that particular placement of the lenses I'm probably 100% sure that the main 20 in its pro iteration not maybe that not that 20 or that 20 light but the probe will have three cameras but just think about it for a second there's a reason why why cameras have to be aligned because regardless if they are horizontal or vertical there's a difference in the vantage point in the angle at which the camera is looking at you and if you're looking from this perspective and the other camera is looking just on an X or Y axis from a different point that can be corrected but if the vantage point is different on both axes that's hard to correct because you're gonna have one snapshot from here and one from here and that cannot be corrected so that's that's the only thing that I'm objecting to the I'm excited yes of course I'm excited I hope I get the chance to go to the unveiling which historically happened in Germany for the past two years and I'm really close I think I agree with you on the parallax situation it's going to be harder to correct for nonetheless I mean Google and other tech companies are finding new ways every single day to figure out what to do with their cameras so perhaps we might see that correction to the future so but I don't think that's we're here at this stage right now in any case I don't think in terms of like that line of thought would be really for a hybrid product like if all three cameras were used at once to take a picture and I don't see that happening with this set up I think it's gonna be most useful if we see that 41 Magus or whatever like large-format megapixel sensor as the sole kind of that one out as opposed to the whatever the traditional ones that might be on one side because like we see you see though I'm gonna meet meet 10 no P 20 Pro we got the zoo we got the regular and then we got the big biggie like here like a hero oh yeah it's it's AB less than me to put a case on this it is it is I saw one recently by the way in Ukraine with one of my friends like he was toning it around it was lovely and we have some great beers with it too in any case yeah like I don't see that going into a hybrid product for imaging that's all I don't know I feel like I feel like there are some instances where multiple cameras or multiple lenses multiple sensors whatever you want to call it are use together and I I agree Anton that that the just even just the millimeters of off access could end up making things a little bit difficult but but maybe like a slash huawei's engineering is gonna find a way to make that work i thing is though I don't like it either but not even just for that reason I just don't like how that looks [Laughter] yeah they're in an L shape but then you have the flash right there so it's like I don't know it's just this big and and you know what these renders great that they even exist it just makes it seem like it's gonna be this bulbous back it's gonna be moto Z like almost I and I don't want that at all like this you you're required I'm just gonna pop up the Moto zz3 real quick which my review is almost done by the way it's gonna be on Pocket house soon so stay tuned for that but this this hump back here you need a style cover to make this make sense and I don't like that and if the if the p20 Pro or whatever the case may be has this large hump on the back I'm not gonna be happy about that whatsoever the Brandon any thoughts on this it also has by the way speaking of high-end features for the flagship from Huawei 4200 milliamp hour battery I mean I'm just saying that that could be a lot that could be amazing yeah I'm also kind of made uncomfortable by the l-shaped triple camera system but actually you know what I'm starting to realize this triple camera thing is like a thing and it's gonna stay I don't know if you guys saw the leak for the v40 that's another triple camera system arranged horizontally which actually I think looks awesome very badass I don't think that the fact that the cameras are arranged like an L are a problem for taking pictures I can i they can fix that probably very easily with software just compensate for the for the distance but this triple camera thing is a thing and I just hope that you know the OCD in me wants them to be aligned vertically or horizontally not in an L shape I mean why don't they put them in a triangular shape can you imagine how horrific that would be looks like Brainiac yeah like L 16 has been mentioned many times in this podcast domination it is I am NOT going to go further than that also you know what would have been helpful here if we got on George Georgia Byrd Dooley who wrote up the original article on this but unfortunately but I think I don't think he's available right now maybe I'll talk to him later well oh sorry I was just about to say one thing to your point Brendon yes I agree with you and apparently analysts agree with you as well I posted something yesterday it was analyst reports industry sources all the kind of pieces I hate writing because I don't trust analysts and Industry sources but the trend has been set and I think that as you mentioned everybody will follow and as that particular report mentioned triple cameras will become and standard moving forward on flagship smartphones just like double-double cameras are now the standard and it took the first double camera that mattered was the iPhone 7 plus which was 2016 so it took about two years just like the fingerprint sensor with the iPhone 5s took about two years for you know all of the major manufacturers to follow that so what's interesting about the triple camera thing just as a final note about that is that it's not it's not Apple the way it's it's Huawei and Huawei has a lot of influence but then again when did Apple lead the way in in in technological advancements but is it doing it it's always Apple doesn't lead but it does it better and yes has it's been able has it been able to argue this points in recent times with its double camera feature it makes a lot it makes a lot of sense to be the second person to step on ice just to see if it breaks under the first person so it makes sense to do it that way and it doesn't necessarily means Apple is a follower but it has been proven that whenever Apple does something second or third they not officially do it better but they find a way to make it more exciting and useful more appealing to the public that's what more mainstream yes maybe one of these days we'll do a deep dive instead like what we would prefer out of our smartphone cameras I will just put down two quick things number one more wide-angle please and speaking of which if we're going to put a lot of work in the rear cameras and even adding more cameras to the back why don't we put this level of work into the front-facing camera I can't the number one thing that I hate in any smartphone is a too narrow front-facing camera I'm a vlogger and if you can only see this when I take a photo on the front facing camera I need to be able to show more like this that's all you need to see that's not like this little format of like the face a face I would prefer it if the vlog actually just masked my face and tracked it and normalized it it's a it's a video log not a not a is the perfect solution for you Josh I got the perfect solution back and I don't know what it was I since I've reviewed most of the Sony Xperia phones and pocket now I of course reviewed the Xperia z5 premium which was the first 4k smartphone and I had the mirror finish it was the breeze to take selfies with the back camera because it was mirror on the back so you basically could easily bring herself that's your that's your be logging phone my friend yeah I would love to check I would love to try that out and and little things like that little details like that just me just matter to me and I like phones that actually pay that attention we were just that just a little a little bit of trivia what was the firt the first and only phone do have oh is on the front-facing camera HTC HTC which you know what I loved like that level of detail it's it's it's something that is very something that's not really found in front-facing cameras too often these days and and it should okay we were talking about dual cameras earlier we were talked about the iPhone let's talk about the iPhone 10 a little bit so some analysts in the tech world can can usually see when a phone is going to get really popular especially when it's at its release but it seems like a lot of them were for the most part a little bit wrong about the iPhone 10 it did not sell like hotcakes like they expected however it seems that the sales of the iPhone 10 are kind of an upward trend which is kind of the worst time for it to happen because a new iPhone is slated to be announced in the next couple of months here's the thing about the whole situation is like no one can agree on what's actually happening with iPhone sales because we see the supply chain reports say oh we have so many parts left into these bins what are we going to do with them and then you have Apple which goes on you know every earnings call to say the iPhone 10 has outsold every other model every week in your entire life that's the dissonance that we are seeing here and it's kind of crazy to be talking about this especially as the numbers might have disappointed analyst a bit but a general kind of feeling and flow of the iPhone 10 has been that it's fairly popular and to hear this new street research has analysts to talk about how this popularity of the iPhone 10 which is said to be going out of production soon and to make way for the new iPhones it's going to have this popularity bummer is going to have a negative impact both for the current well the upcoming year as well as the year after that so in the 2019 fiscal year for Apple which starts in the holiday quarter they I believe the number is 10% lower revenues below the consensus consensus of Wall Street and then for 2020 earnings per share is gonna go down 6% below average projections so that's the summary for that um I don't know how to really yield I mean good to speed on it okay could this be a strategy moving forward that when you release a phone you're expecting a year later for it's a it's actually it because we've been saying that our smartphones are getting really good so obviously like people are still using the let's say Galaxy s8 to great effect you know and the iPhone 10 could be a very relevant phone it just takes a while for it to actually stick obviously this is wishful thinking on the part of a company to be able to do that kind of strategy but maybe that's what's happening with at one time I think I think there's there's a lot of logic and common sense behind what's happening with the iPhone 10 which I cannot say for what the analyst says and let me address both of them I think that the iPhone 10 is selling well particularly at this moment in time because of two reasons number one we knew from the get-go that the iPhone 10 will be an anniversary edition it will be the 10-year of iPhone and Apple will probably discontinue it after producing the initial batch which instantly boosted its resale value number two since we are so close to the new iPhones the iPhone 10 is becoming cheaper and cheaper to purchase so more and more people who wanted to buy it in the first place are looking at the iPhones hand now so that explains a boost now towards the end of the cycle for a phone which Apple will no longer do ever the iPhone 10 is unique that's the explanation as far as the analyst and and the report is going it doesn't make sense in my mind to say that the new iPhones will not sell because the old iPhone was popular it's like saying the note 9 will sell less because the note 8 was popular it doesn't make sense in my mind that my logic and my brain is just breaking into if somebody can explain this to me please go ahead but well I mean you know it depends on how many how many people in the upgrade pool the eligible upgrade pool have been able to say alright this is what I want and I'm gonna go with it for the next 24 to 30 months or whatever the next upgrade is and whenever that number kind of you know it always goes up and down but you know if there has been an average cut there's been an aberration in the trend going up then that's kind of what they used to tell so perhaps that might be the situation we're dealing with I'm not exactly sure in terms of the iPhone 10 itself I mean we've been looking forward to the iPhone 9 I've been calling it some people have been calling it the iPhone 10 ass like no no the LCD model is what we're talking about here and no I'm sorry I'm just confusing myself here because they're ready let me let me take it over so we've had the eight and the eight plus it will make sense knowing Apple to have the eight s and the S Plus but Apple already has an iPhone set so the discussion is whether we will have an eight s we will have a 10 s we will have a nine it doesn't really matter these are the 2018 iPhones regardless if it's going to be the iPhone 25 or the iPhone 44 the question is why shouldn't people purchase the new iPhone because the iPhone sin is popular because again I'm stressing this no I was about to say at the 5.8 inch model has been told by many many sources rumors and otherwise that it will be the exact it'll be identical even down to dimensions to the iPhone 1000 it's green it's got a five-point eight inch screen it's gonna have new internals of course which but like does that really what's the meaning to that though what's that meaning to that except it's not the iPhone 10 it's not the anniversary edition and it's not a so-called limited edition phone which to many including to me means a lot because just the same way I've held on to my 808 PureView and my 920 and I might went 10 20 all the phones which are milestones means something to either their owners their users or their companies so I think that the iPhone 10 is in a situation Apple is it a situation with the iPhone 10 where they can say years and years later that that was the 10th anniversary and people loved it not because the AMOLED screen or because we remove the touch ID home button but because it was the 10th anniversary of the iPhone that's the one that's gonna get into the glass case right Brandon yeah yeah just jump in real quick um one way to understand the popularity of a device is to very simply look around you and I don't know about you guys but I I noticed that when the iPhone 10 came out all of the end of 2017 and the first half of 2018 I barely saw the phone but now I see it pretty frequently maybe because as Tony says the prices are going down people are realizing that it's a special edition but I think it's just because people were waiting to see you know if it's any good so the early adopters kind of picked it up in the in the end of 2017 early 2018 and now they're out in the wild enough for like Grandma to be like oh that looks cool and and I haven't heard my grandson complain about that phone so I'm gonna get that phone and so sales kind of accelerate as there are more phones in the field more people buy them because it's like advertising and more sales coming in yeah go ahead when when the iPhone Center launch Brendan it was the first and the only mainstream phone which had a $1000 price tag now there are at least your three others so the shock factor the the wow factor the surprise factor is no longer a deciding factor on whether I'm going to buy that or not of course I'm going to go for an iPhone 10 one year later to just purchase it for 750 instead of 1,000 at launch day but it is no longer the only $1000 phone out there and I'm not talking the about the Lamborghini and rolls-royce citizens and I was one more thing and that's you know even price has less to do with it these days I know that so so very few people proportionally go buy phones that are on sale just for the fact that you know sales only happen enter a short period but like they're looking for bargains so looking for depreciation because that's what time does and they might be searching on like different markets or even market places such as swap ago to swap comm to trading your iPhone that was the the flick Atari plug that plug or no plug you're right I mean even before we looked at swap buzz listings I have personally written about a report saying that the iPhone 10 is about the only phone which is retaining more than 75 to 80 percent of its resale value so that that's and that has to mean something and not necessarily to those who own it but to the rest because I can easily ask $400 for my phone if nobody's gonna pay that but if somebody's willing to pay 80% of its original value then it means that the perception the wide perception is in agreeance with that and whether you have an iPhone 7 8 or 10 when the iPhone neck the next iPhone gets announced the prices on all of those will plummet so like you know it is a good time to sell yeah definitely wouldn't it be nice though if we were having conversations as deep as this that we have with the iPhone that we have with the Samsung's of the world wouldn't it be nice if we had these conversations about a brand like Nokia would it be great if we could get a little bit of that love on there because the Nokia 7 plus is actually getting a bit of that love as we move on to our next story where apparently the Nokia 7 plus was awarded the best consumer smartphone of the year by the expert imaging and sound association now if you don't really if you're not really familiar with that association don't worry neither am i so the Nokia 7 plus if you could forgive me for not remembering the library here a pocket now but did you guys do a review of the Nokia 7 plus here no we had a hands-on at MWC but we never got the review the phone I got you apparently there are certain aspects of this device that are very special there's a reliability elegant operating system it does get some marks because it has the fastest but one of the fastest update cycles but the reason why is because it's using Android 1 in the first place and apparently in an event in India the Nokia seven-plus is going to get the official PI image in September so it's actually going to be Android Pi as well one of the few by September any thoughts on the Nokia 7 plus I I think I do remember it was MWC that we saw it I did like it a lot I will admit but is it enough to call it like the best bone of the year you know I'd like I'd like to go last because I have some notes which are not related to the Nokia phone itself but to eisa so please okay did any of you other guys Brendon and Jules as you take a look at this phone at all like have you been able to like hold it or anything like that I was barely able to hold it I like the construction on it and it was just fine for let's say like a 250 to 300 dollar ish phone and it's great I mean it was no Scirocco yeah yeah it was no Scirocco there's no like pretty thing but you know stock software fast updates this has been the tech enthusiasts dream they've been clamoring for this kind of thing and they have finally got it and it seems like this validation has come from Issa so like this is what they've been hoping for for long and someone has come to save them the savior has come Brendon what was the last Nokia you've ever used a few years ago there was I wanted to try Windows Phone one last time and there was like on Amazon they have like a hundred and $49 Nokia G's I forget what it was it was some Nokia Windows Phone and I returned it because there were literally no apps for it but the seven plus I think the seven plus looks really nice and I haven't had one but it's good to hear that Jules says that it has good construction it reminds me of the note 7 the way it has like a chin and a forehead and just like a immersive display in the center I think it's a really beautiful design and the fact that the Android updates are fast make it really compelling mmm and now ends on I feel like you're gonna blow the lid off of this story oh yeah oh yeah I have the utmost respect for eisa and according to Wikipedia it's a collaboration between different multimedia magazines that offer tests of cameras video cameras and so on so their fellow journalists but I would like to ask you guys one thing what's the difference between a consumer smartphone and a smartphone I mean I'm looking at their website now and while we do see the nokia 7 plus the best consumer smartphone the best smartphone is the Huawei P 20 pro what's the difference between a consumer smartphone and the best smartphone that's question number one and the only reason why I'm in doubt about this again with all due respect to E is a number two this is probably another thing which makes my mind just crack into and my logic just go out the window it's the same thing like in the USA with the cars you're talking about a 2019 model in 2018 how can you see is a or any other publication for that matter call a smartphone in 2018 the best product for 2019 because its best product 2018 2019 I mean there's so many phones to come out even this year it's the pixel it's the iPhones it's you name it you cannot call a best product 2018-2019 for a consumer smart phone the Nokia and the best product 2018-2019 has the best smartphone the huawei because the two categories don't make sense in my mind and it doesn't make sense for you to call a phone the best phone for next year this year that's the lid there we go wow I was about to say this does feel like yeah I love the automobile industry analogy there because maybe that is where we're going because literally in the car industry you have a new model every single year and it could be this car this model 2019 this car this mile 2020 that kind of thing and that's kind of where smart phones have gone in the last few years so this trend might be starting this might be a sign of that starting and whether or not that's a good thing I mean it depends on how much weight you put on the wards like this but anyway Brendon yeah Tony just asking what's the difference between a consumer phone and just a regular phone and I think it just comes down to price like consumer more price friendly just a regular phone is like kind of more like if you're using your phone from for work you will spare no expense and you're willing to pay more money and the you know the b20 Pro much more expensive than the Nokia I'm totally with you but wouldn't have been easier and more transparent to call the Nokia 7 plus the best mid-range or budget or affordable smartphone and the b20 Pro the best flagship high-end expensive smartphone it'll have been in my mind and my logic a lot more straightforward I agree but that's not how people on the street talk like my brother that has the iPhone 10 isn't like hey check out my my high-end my flagship and hey hey babe buddy over there you got the mid-range err don't you well known fact about Philadelphia so there is an intersection that I have wanted to visit and this has been pointed out by the Facebook group new urbanist memes for transit-oriented teens there is a there's a intersection I believe it's 69th Street and Dix Avenue 69 and Dix which is awesome talk about Street hog right okay so not to really cut anybody off Brennan if you had one more point I wanted to make sure that you had it now that's it I'm gonna next podcast I'm gonna go to 69th in dicks all right so um we do have to we are going to get into our deep dye of topic in a second but we are going to have a tiny break one thing that I do want to mention though is that Anton has a bit of a hoarder out on this show so in about five minutes he's gonna be on his way out which is perfect for me to ask you in this little break that we have before our final or final portion of the show can you give us like it's been ten years that you've been here at PocketNow and are there any sort of stories or memories that you want to share that long history that you have with this company oh there's there's plenty of stories we don't have enough time for those stories starting from the first the message I received from Brandon when I was an active user and I stay developers to come and write for a website all the way through working with Evan blasts of leaks to becoming managing editor and then to taking over PocketNow and then to take a step back and focus more on content now all the way through everybody with whom I've worked with whether it's a client a partner a colleague and my colleagues I mean I don't know all the people that that were here with us even on the podcast I mean if I come to think about the podcast I've bought casted with Evan blasts and I'm talking only about hosts now Evan blasts Brandon minimun Michael Fisher Stevens shank Jules Wang and now Joshua Vergara and I've been a host myself several times and not even gonna go into all the EFA's where I said that it's gonna be my last Aoife and the MWC so it's it's been a long it's been a long and interesting ride and as I said in my tweets and on my Facebook updates on social media I am so so thankful to everybody who has been here with me in these ten years because it's been it's been ten interesting years there have been challenges there were good signs and bedtimes but what matters is that we are here a community talking to our big community and that makes me feel like I'm home whether I'm talking to Brandon what I'm talking to you Josh who are the newest member of my family that's that's how I feel every time I talk to you guys that I'm I'm home where's my Kleenex that was really awesome and you know what it's it's gonna be great because like no matter no matter where you might be in however many years down the road like I feel like anybody who is new to the team and right now I'm the I'm probably the newest member I would the newest members would come to you for like the history and for a lot of like the old stories and just ways of knowing like history of a place like PocketNow and i didn't realize that the the the symbiotic relationship between PocketNow and x da was so strong even way back when yes I started off as as an XD developers senior moderator and that was a popular ROM chef back in the day so yeah it back then it was pocket now in some other media outlets which started off really really early and there was xda-developers the only place where somebody could talk to somebody else who was probably interested in the same things as you were and have a normal debate about something which was usually how to take out your stylus and tap on a huge icon on a 320 by 240 screen yeah I always remember those those rom talks on next day developers back in the day well it's it's speaking just as the newest member and one of the younger members of the team like it's it's an honor to be with someone who's been such a veteran here so thank you for all the work that you've done as well thank you for making me feel I'm older too man I was trying to think of the right like word and phrase of a better term the only word that could come up was like I respect the seniority but then that's kind of alright awesome so yeah I do want to continue our check in a little bit thank you again Anton and a fan here's thank you for having me more years and whenever you feel like you need to pop off feel free to do so I wanted to check in with Jules and Nan Brendan how are things been since our last episode Jules I think is who I really want to hear from because we really missed you this week I'm very glad that you did and you put a very good show in my place I mean I've been checking the ratings for that and it's been doing exceptionally well so congratulations you guys in any case my travels have been going well after leaving New York a couple weeks ago so I'd go to Dublin well I didn't decide to go but I planned out a trip centered on wedding in Kiev that I at 10:00 I was honored to be invited and I was glad to be able to you know call this guy friend he's actually the CEO of Yves tech which made the eve computer the crowd-sourced specs computer that was also crowdfunded it got backing from Microsoft and whatnot so like you know for him to have invited me the only me like media guy the only he west guy that he really you know knows like that was interesting and I made sure that I did this whole operation as cheaply as possible so that meant integrating the note 9 thing going on there and then making sure that I hadn't had places to stay in Dublin or in London that were cheap I actually here this is actually all my friends work from my childhood friend who happened to be planning a trip to London anyways and wanted to be here for the first time so like he just gave me this Airbnb for free so I'm very fortunate to be doing this right here right now and the sky internet here this guy is doing pretty good for this podcast so yeah it does look pretty good and you've been you've been just literally touring Europe and it's it's awesome that uh it's awesome to see that so thank you for being able to join us despite being out and about right now finally borrow oh there you go we'll have a good trip and oh and on the way out thank you yes thank you very much for having me and one last thing Jules hashtag shave that mic all right Brandon quick check-in from you before we get to our main topic for today yes so I got the note 9 here I got it yesterday and pull the trigger man huh I just yeah I had to that's right you messaged me about this what was the phrasing that you did the world something wins again or whatever like I just had to anyway people like both Jaime and Josh were trying to convince you not to jump from the 1 plus 6 because you had already made than vest so like like this was a surprise hey check out how my recent look oh my God look at that parallax scrolling that's so cool so I just made a video that I have to edit and it takes me four times longer to edit a video than you guys on how to speed up the note 9 there's a bunch of things you could do to make it faster but there's an app that so many people forget about it's called good luck 2018 which which like has been so much improved that it allows you on the note 9 and any Samsung phone to add gesture control from the side so swipe over and down goes home swipe over goes back swipe up goes to your recents which is great because you can hide the notifier on the bottom and still use gestures it also lets you change the look in the feel of the recents which is what I just showed you until like a carousel like thing and I know it's kind of foo-foo but it's fun and different it lets you customize the lockscreen and do a lot of other like deeper like UI changes to a Samsung phone and it's called good good luck 2018 and if you've got a note 9 or really like any Samsung phone it's really worth checking out there's a lot of cool stuff you can do that bit about the swiping would have made the perfect segue but like I just had one more thing to say and that's like going to like you tap on the developer settings like the kernel whatever they can get into developer settings and then you go into all the animation logs and then set that to either like scale half time or no animation yeah that's another cool way to just you know get rid of all that fluff when you and that's one of the things I mentioned the video but if you go to 0 animations because this system needs time to draw the app on the screen it can actually feel more laggy so that's why I think point 5 is good and actually if you know how to use ADB with Android developer tools you can change these the animations to any variable so like if you want to go 0.25 you can do that and that's super fast but not not zero so you're right that's a very good one that a lot of people also to forget about the screen animations speaking of tweaks we are moving to a phone that has a pedigree of software tweaks and software enhancements speaking of launchers and whatnot it's a little bit of the me UI in a new brand new brand I love that phrase I keep using it it's a brand new brand from Xiaomi it's called poco or poco phone it's a little bit different because in India I kept hearing that the brand is just poco it's not poco phone so there's a little bit of a mix-up here but well I mean your phone just as well as mine has the tramp stamps that says a poco phone on it so yeah exactly yeah oh they can go like straight up over here but the thing is to refocus the polka phone f1 and Jules and I as we have just revealed have been using this phone for a little while I unfortunately just you know cards on the table I haven't been able to give the phone the quality time it deserves but I did do a first impressions video of it over on my channel meanwhile Jules wrote an article about it at pocketnow.com so I'm going to go ahead and pop it over to you Jules and give us your reactions on this really interesting device so basically can you show me about 20 minutes can you talk about the kick the camera please because no one's no one's really talked that much about the camera and it seems like such a good lower priced phone if the camera is good today to that note I will say a real quick sorry Jules um that that's the reason why I didn't want to give my final thoughts on the phone yet because I do want to give the camera as much time as possible so I can actually see how it would perform but anyway Jules I'm not even sure we have final software yet because I believe this was supposed to be launching with me UI 10 and what we have on here is me UI 9 so yeah and the other thing too is that they have an infrared camera a selfie camera for facial authentication that has not been activated yet so we can't use that feature yet we would love to although at least consumer launch time that feature still won't be available so I guess we could do apples to apples but in any case I've been using this phone with multiple sins from Ireland and even project five right now it's on Project five for the past twelve thirteen days it's been providing great connections for me with that snapped reckoning 45 that integrated snapdragon xx4 modem yes correct qualcomm thank you for that and it's been performing just well I mean this this this does have the analogues to the no.9 no.9 because it has its touts a liquid cooling system with that copper stripe going somewhere I haven't seen the tear downs at this device yet so it's anyone's guess how that exactly works or how you know what kind of numbers they produce but it's been I haven't seen any hang-ups on this six gigabyte model six gigabyte ram so it's been doing alright for me and yeah like there's a whole bunch of other stuff in terms of me Eli that we'd talk about a lot of the changes that they've already made even though it's not final software or have been baked into nine six this version this poco launcher here and it does have those full screen gestures so that you remove the navigation bar of course you can still have it it's an option but you can swipe up to go home swipe and hold up and then you'll get multitasking and then swipe from the sides for back either way you just go back which I really got used to quickly I'm dual wielding with the pixel too and I found myself swiping from the sides and trying to why is it not going back like that it felt very very natural for me it does suck though that it does interfere with a lot of the side menu interfaces on app yes yeah I was about to say it like when I when I use G board and I want to swipe from the back space button in order to remove full word sometimes I hit back on accident and it's yeah yeah you have to be kind of careful about that again you know I'm going to be there are certain things that in the tech world people understand me as I'm the Smart Watch skeptic for one and number two I'm also the guy that hates full screen gestures so that's just gonna be my hot take on those but speaking of hot takes like here is here is one angle that I wanted to ask you guys and and Brandon Brandon from being from being on the outside looking in since you're not using this phone you see the spec sheet you see what's possible here I suppose it's not going to be the biggest surprise that Xiaomi is able to put all of these high-end specifications on phones that are supposed to be more affordable they've done it with their me series quite a bit and even with a phone that has ceramic even with phones that have ceramic it's still probably better priced than most other flagships generally so Xiaomi is they know what they're doing in this case and with poco phone with the f1 they're actually undercutting it even more with the phone that's $300 and it has the a45 so my question to you guys is this hot take that people seem to have at least from the preliminary outset the flagship killer killer like does this does this strike you as at all even close to that type of moniker that's why I wanted to know what you guys thought about the camera and I appreciate that it's too soon to give your take on the camera because my my thinking was that for a while for most of this year the best budget phone if you care about camera build quality performance and that kind of thing was the honor 7x which you could get it for like $1.99 the camera on that is very good for the price and so but but but I think the specifications of the poco phoner are very impressive and so whether it's the full package you know relates to whether the camera is any good and I've never used a xiaomi phone so III don't know how they perform like I used the vivo next recently and I was just super impressed with I've never used to Yvonne super impressed with how that phone this camera was so I wouldn't be surprised if I and you guys were surprised by the camera so in terms of the camera let's we'll go with the selfie camera first 20 megapixels I have the thoughts on this bring in the first impression during the cold I put down and I also have some photos which some of them are in the wrong orientation and it can't do anything about that because the back end is acting up weird so thank you WordPress for some reason but in any case 20 megapixels there are still a lot of the features that you would expect out of a me UI things such as beautification a I sort of thing you got the portrait mode for extra bouquet features and in terms of you know being able to execute those features it does a mediocre job and I'll be honest there there is kind of an Asian Syndrome thing going on too because if you set the beautify mode at all to any level you'll get whiter skin you get softer but apparently whiter skin and that's I mean I understand at least initially that we're dealing with the Indian market and you know as much as we don't like it or as much as there are ethical questions that's a feature that's in high demand look at that look at that Josh look at that look how blight skinned I am in this photo oh and the thing is like as as American users as Western users like your t-zone was like the whitest that as I attempt to refocus on myself over here there you go the the thing is that this is something that if you've ever used a Xiaomi phone before you come to expect and any Asian phone in general and you know far be it for me to be that Western user that says it's not what I want out of my selfie cameras but you know what it's it is a marker that they're hitting and that's almost to their credit because they're they're managing to put a 20 megapixel camera on here that gives the users in the markets this phone will be coming out in exactly what they want which is softening which is lighter skin Beauty modes and stuff like that so I can't I I want to knock it but I still understand why it's there you guys do you guys know why I like this question but why do these phones that tend to come from the Asian side of the world have this very heavy skin smoothing beauty mode what do the story it's the simple answers demand and for a lot of the users who are on that works like weed chats or I'm sure I remember what the name of some other networks are but we chat is like one of the biggest one China if you look at any photos of a user on WeChat they what they're looking for is to as to softn and to remove blemishes or anything like that like the beauty industry and Asia is so prevalent that it even bleeds into our smartphones in the digital space oh good blog to follow by the way is the Shanghai a been posting lots of photos lots of a video like time-lapse videos from Weibo showing off these girls that you know start off you know bleary-eyed like they've just woken up and then they go through a whole transformation process like those videos have been very popular recently and they've been just popping up like wild flowers yeah this could be this could be in and of itself a deep dive that we could do on a different show a different episode because it is a big topic and it's something that I think Western users like myself have had to struggle understanding a little bit and I want to know this if I wasn't dating somebody who is from the Philippines who was from that market who understands that because whereas people like us would review these phones and look at like all the front-facing camera has good detail it does a pretty good job she would actually review it in terms of how well it applies its beauty modes so if if her skin was way too waxy then she would say it's a bad front-facing camera and well you know what people look for that and I really need beauty mode I'm telling you guys I'm gonna keep it on give you an example what a bad beauty mode would be a bad beauty mode would take away your 5 o'clock shadow and like that's a bad beauty mode it's too much and on the flip side of bad beauty mode would also be too much detail because it's not doing anything so right there are users who want beauty mode in the front-facing camera who would probably go for something like the poco phone who wouldn't like the front-facing camera off the pixel too because it's too detailed because it's not because it doesn't hide Minh it's it this is a very odd conversation to sort of skirt because yes the point of the beauty mode is to hide your imperfections and there is there it is a problematic phrase to use but ultimately that is what is in demand in Asia anyway we've gone off tangent in this case but I understand this is the front-facing camera that we're talking about and you thoughts on the rear facing camera jewels that you can share cuz I don't have it yeah yeah so in terms of the rear facing camera I'm not sure if I'm at if I was clear to you know talk about what their internal benchmarking standards were like so like I was very vague in terms of what they want to aim for we do have what's considered something from last year it's the sensor that I used the sony imax 363 i believe and you know it takes decent-enough photos you know i think if you were to describe it you know it's like it's firmly within its price back bracket in terms of camera performance a lot more HDR activity going on than I would like to see and low-light is kind of on and off hit and miss I was able to show off one of the photos which was of the bride just caught in a good spotlight and she was like yeah she was dancing she was feeling her best so like there are some moments where it shines but more often than not like if you were even subject to any slight jitter it's yeah yeah it's going to be it's gonna be one of those situations and I think this is so common in our industry where even though the price is is something that can mitigate these issues that you see in the camera we can't look past what it's unable to do and I would implore everybody to sort of think about this phone in a different sense this is probably the phone that every Android Go user wish that they could get for that price you know because $300 out in India is just just in general that's a really great price to have for a phone that has the best possible specifications you can get right now and even users here in the US here in North America would kill to have this phone and there are a lot there are a lot of users out there who actually don't really care about the camera as much as you think it as reviewers we are tasked with looking at everything laterally like the camera is going to be weighed upon as much as the specifications but the thing is for a lot of users out there it's a little bit more weighted so I would say that the reason why this one excites me so much is because if I know somebody who is not going to be taking photos that end up on Instagram that end up on Twitter Facebook whatever what me what what have you what they want to fund that they can rely upon for probably the next year or so granted they don't break it or drop it this is gonna be this would be my first recommendation and it would be an easy one to make it's also a good burner phone if you want to keep things private I do i I do agree that it's a little bit hard to talk about it in final terms because we don't have final software yet me oh I 10 I'm actually excited for because we got Jules and I were together during our meeting with them and me UI 10 looks pretty dope and I'm just I want that to arrive before I give any final verdicts on this but as of right now if this is something that we're going to see more often in 2019 have at it have at it I want to see more I want to see more cheaper phones with high-end specifications make it clear to us that the things that matter the most to us don't have to be 1,000 dollars because what you're gonna end up paying for for a phone that's over $600 is the overall package but if you're just looking for very specific things to be stellar you can get a $300 phone yeah and you can pay the extra $300 $300 for the camera yeah exactly as one famous youtuber once said or said many times and I very much believe this cheap phones are getting good and good phones are getting cheap except for like the note 9 or the iPhone 10 and stuff mm-hmm yeah I totally agree with that like it's become clear to me after using this phone with the note 9 at the same time which is probably like this is the worst time to be a totally unbiased reviewer because we have all of these phones at the same time the best way that I can mitigate that bias is to say that the note 9 is priced the way it is because it's the package it's the entire package you can do literally anything with that phone and it will handle it is that the same case for the poco phone if you think of the if you think of the camera in particular maybe not but then again that's probably not what you're paying this paying that money for so keep that you're paying money to play smash hit four or five hours at a time yeah and you know not blow out the engine just by playing it for that long I guess exactly and I love that this phone came out at this price point right now to prove to us that a cooling system in a phone doesn't have to break the bank because that well you had the ROG phone which had its own cooling you have the no.9 which has its own cooling but those are gonna be like skyrocketed prices and people are gonna people I was afraid that people would think that they would have to go to a phone like that and then here comes Xiaomi and polka phone proving to us that it's possible to have without having to break the bank all right and the YouTube chat studios t camera is not very important for me performances since I'm struggling with my phone which is now the LG g4 see ouch when you have to add extra letters to the main models it's like you you know where are you doing there goran petrovic also why manufacturers don't make budget phones with some special top feature like the LG q 7 plus with its top audio or that elbow with a great camera I don't know which particular series they're talking about there but yeah like there are a lot of mid rangers LG has tried out with the x series which focused on one specific spec like battery or the camera or other like laser or something I don't think anyone bought an x series LG but I do remember that the X cam and like I think yeah speaking of which I apologize for not going into the chat more often one thing that I was that girl yeah the one thing that I will say is that some people were asking about you know like for us to answer questions throughout the entire first portion of the show all the questions are about the polka phone and now here we are so exactly does the polka phone have NFC says Zachary Webb I can say now unfortunately I was not able to use my phone to tap in and out of the tube and yeah it's a surprising house contact list has made its way across the UK just so easily so why can't that be us corner stores 7-eleven yeah one final one from the Chad before we go into our final final little thing before we close out where is it such a nut he says slap a skin on the polka phone and you're good to go I would kind of agree with you unless you get this armored Edition and this Kevlar it's pretty nice oh yeah absolutely and there's also a bit of a heft to the phone which which which kind of gives you that sense of safety and which is funny because one of the philosophies behind the polka phone f1 is that they think that people are gonna put cases on this phone to begin with anyway so it doesn't matter that it looks provide one in the box and also I have to call out mr. mobile here mister Michael Fisher for you know talking about the oleophobic at the lack of oleophobic coating which I'm not sure what you think of but I'm actually glad that it's like do people say it's yuck and you have to deal with fingerprints like you had to deal with finger prints anyways with those oleophobic coating x' and what's more is that they made the phone slicker so that when ever i put my phone face down on a surface or what I perceived to be a near flat surface and then it ends up all of a sudden I'm just working on and then all of a sudden boom the floors the like the floor has met the phone and you know regardless of any of that I will say that despite the Kevlar looking so nice the armored Edition still gets smudged up to hell so I mean to me it doesn't matter much because it still happens all right so we have one less thing to talk about something a little bit fun for just a couple of minutes and that's I love I love that Jules you put this as the question has there ever been an email that you wish you could take back immediately so the story behind that is gmail has been running its undo send feature for emails you've been able to only on the web have you been able to you know take back an email just made mere seconds after you've sent it like you realize oh that that feeling of dread when you might have said too much out there so you're able to press the undo button quickly and then you know in some case in many cases if you're dealing with another gmail client then you can do that immediately if you're dealing with another like a hot meal or something like that it might take a few minutes so that kind of suspense still hangs around but yeah that feature has moved on to Android now so that's a good thing I guess and there are plenty of emails that I wish I could have taken back in my time throughout I've never had that because if I'm going to say something that I would ultimately want to take back it's gonna be through a text messaging I don't think I would ever send something that could come back to me in a bad way in an email I don't think I've ever done that before he knows very permanent yeah I mean for me like it was email that you used to talk to professor's or something and you used to do that in a harried rush just before class when you're sending something and you send the wrong file you've said the wrong whatever the heck so like for me in terms of like you know typing something on my phone and just saying and not making sense at all because autocorrect has screwed you over really good today yeah that's that was the case for me so I wish that undo send could have undone a whole bunch of things if you get an email from me and the word ducking is in there I meant it for it to be in there okay Brendan is it is the undo send feature godsend for you it is it is a godsend except that you have a window of like 10 seconds to yes I want I want a window of like 72 hours because I can't think of a particular example but I've set my wife emails in the past that I was telling her something I didn't I I didn't agree with or something that bothered me and let's just say it put our relationship into a tailspin and I wish I hadn't sent it but you know there was no undo send there was no 72-hour undo send so what the reality is is that that notification pops up you know just 30 seconds after you've sent that thing and you know depending on the push cycles or whatnot like that could be even sooner so it's like in reality you only have just a few precious seconds that you could really use so I should find her phone and smash it classic a classic family sitcom trope right there is like no don't open that and the wasn't there a Google Labs application in Gmail that would test if you're sober before you can send an email I 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