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all right just a quick a side note for everybody before I get into the intro Jules is a bit out of commission today which means that I had to take care of all the logistics leading up to the life so I apologize for the delay in the show and hopefully everything kind of goes pretty smoothly this is one of my first times I using hangouts on air being at the helm of it but yeah in any case let's go ahead and pop into the script for today the weekly is supported by the Oregon State University eCampus do you want to take the fast track to your career in computing you can earn your computer science degree 100% online from Oregon State and tap into unlimited career possibilities in any field learn more at eCampus dot oregon state dot edu slash now alright hello everybody and welcome to the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on this day the eighth of March 2019 now I have been talking over the last couple of episodes two or three episodes about changing the format up of the podcast a little bit we are trying to go to a more structured format where we talk about one main topic and maybe one two three depending on how much talk how many talking points we actually get out of the first topic but today we're doing that for sure so the show today is actually going to be a little bit shorter than you might be used to it's gonna be just under an hour maybe around 45 minutes but the other reason why that is the case is because well as you can see it is just me in the booth right now Jules is not here Jaime is not here Brandon's not here so I called upon a good friend of ours thundery at bored at work over there thank you so much for coming on and thank you for kind of being the only one I was available for today no problem you caught me in between running the video and doing some tests so I might just scoot up for about 10 seconds because I'm doing a I kept my as well to use the video now it's a wireless power sorry wireless charging 2.0 versus fast charging with Galaxy devices hmm yeah I've been meaning to take a look at like the wireless charging on stuff because I actually have that 20 watt Xiaomi charger and I've been wanting to test that thing out too wireless charging is still I just came across I'm sorry we're gonna we're gonna take this very casually today ever since since it's just me and Anna bong here today aren't me and thunder here so um did you see on Instagram and Facebook recently there's this huge pad that you stick to the bottom of a table you know it's large like it's a it's it looks big it looks like a almost like half of a curling the thing they use in curling okay so what you do is you paste it on the bottom of pretty much any surface and because it's so large and it and it emits the Qi wireless charging probably more than you would want it can make any table any surface a wireless charging mat how much I did not swipe up on that IG story oh I hardly ever do and they're getting bad by the way anybody out there you can let me know in the in the live chat I am looking at the live shop but also in the comments down below how ridiculous is it getting that IG stories are starting to get like click Beatty where they go all the way up to them actually using the product so you know what it's about and then it cuts away you only got 15 seconds I I haven't really seen that much edgy stories for me it's I've bought like some comic book t-shirts from there i sword these sneaker laces that you told me but that I saw or I saw in there as well and I just fitted my first person he goes with them so I'm gonna try them out today but yeah I mean yeah cool but anyway let's let's get back to topic before people crucify us I think I know and before I forget of course I am your host I'm Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody alright so today we're going to talk a little bit like okay part of the reason why I wanted to make sure the conversation started off kind of casual and a little bit light is because we are going to somewhat somewhat address one of the big stories that happened this past week I was talking to I was talking to my girlfriend Lisa she's all obviously over in the Philippines and when one of the random times that we were just sort of chilling out just talking on video chat she said oh there's a hallway press conference and I was like I don't remember there being any announcements that were meant to be this week I don't remember any products or anything like that going on we just we obviously were just at Mobile World Congress looking at the made X looking at the mate book X Pro the 2019 edition so there are some exciting stuff coming out their catalogue but as it turns out on that particular day we were talking was basically announcing that they were going to be suing the US government now I always keep from talking about like deep political things I don't feel equipped to really give much perspective on this I do have an opinion on it that I'll talk about a little bit later but yeah yeah I was thinking maybe you have some insight on it that you wanted to sort of share before we get into our main topic for today so my my podcast that I used to have you know for a while called the weekly we always talked about you know a lot of tech news in tech topic topics like this which is something I want to go back to at some point when it comes to this there was a very interesting case you know on the one hand you do have a lot of people will say that look a lot of Chinese companies tend to you know steal us products patents things like that and while we might be one of those companies you know again nothing is proven the US government has come out and said why we should not be I'm summarizing here basically like you know why we devices should be so used by your government personnel because of spyware they could hack into your systems you should not use Huawei telecom devices for either 4G or 5g because they also make antenna and things like that the flipside is is that the US government has not shown us any proof they just no one has shown any proof that this is truly accurate the case and I'll get to my own personal thoughts in a second and then you also have the fact that you know they've not shown us that as proof and then when it comes to you the whole idea of 5g and dominance the two biggest five key players in the world are Qualcomm US company and then there's also Huawei right so even though Qualcomm has done a lot to send 5g stand-ins the NAG make me made that Qualcomm wants to basically make sure that they have the largest control over 5g and taking the current administration's stance on trade war with China so you add all those things together it may look one-sided from from optics side of view for outside the US it looks like okay this is what the administration is trying to do from a business perspective from a US business it's like look Chinese companies tend to steal our stuff so this makes a lot of sense now from a personal perspective why we devices have been great and they they've improved over the years they've had some really good partnerships we see in the the p20 that make 20 now we're gonna be talking about the meet 30 you know in a few yeah yeah people to meet P 30 and the May 30 later on this year the the question here is that like in terms of saying spying on your on you on your content let's just be very factual if you want to be factual about that we know that Facebook Google spy on us on a regular basis we do know that for a fact that if you and this is something that Fox News actually did the test on if you take two phones no Sims one phone they actually turn the put on airplane mode and the second phone they just left it as is but there was no sim the GPS locator was able to track point to point your location as they drove around town that's of how how much data you is taking off your phones we've heard and it all evidence of people talking about the fact that they talked about a certain product and next minute they seize on their Facebook or Instagram feeds so these are also American companies by the way let's just put it that way right ya know when it comes to mobile phones it's it's it's a certain degree like our privacy is just not there I'm not sure if II it's everything they take was just some certain things I just look at it as like I would I would like to see what that evidence is so that I can make my mind now in terms of why we're suing this is the route that while we have some has to make their their CFO I believe was CTO CFO no see I see this here phone was the one that was did you kind of arrested in Canada yes indeed changing in Canada there's a whole the whole legal dispute going on there there's a lot of murky water going around it feels the same way it feels like a grander scale of that whole core calm apple battle you know that's that's two companies a lot of things and Apple will tell you one thing of saying hey Qualcomm says if you pay more and the Qualcomm is like no you're using our patents just pay you agreed to the fees anyway right you know that kind of thing in this case here you have the case where you know the US companies are saying hey you're stealing our patents and Y was like why are we being punished it's not us and we make good stuff and you're afraid that we are number two in the market hmm well I mean just it's it's it's odd because obviously I I deal mostly in like the consumer tech space so it's about the user experience of somebody that would might that might want to buy these products from a particular company I've I've not quite been the kind of person where if I hear like sort of bad news about one side of any particular company or any particular entity that I just kind of boycott them altogether and that certainly has not been the case for Huawei because we were discussing this right before I hit live on the show that the consumer products they've been they have been the darlings of the last year or two like just on a hardware software perspective for the end-user experience they have been one of the best experiences you could have in smartphones today and also even in laptops I'm using a maple gex Pro right now so my my whole thought here is that perhaps 30 we don't even know yet because the US does the the people in the US have not even given the data or given the proof that actual spying is happening but even then the spying would be happening at a very high level because yes there might be a few of those fears that Huawei has some power in the infrastructure in the general communication infrastructure that's something that should be looked into sure but it's one of those things where I know AT&T logs my calls I know Facebook logs a lot of my data I know that Amazon knows everything that I purchased and is trying to create a profile on me all of the products that we would use no matter if it's from Samsung Huawei Amazon whatever the case may be they all monitor us on some sort of level that is kind of deemed normal now like no one really speaks up about it unless the data is used for something truly nefarious and we can prove that neither have been proven yet neither I've been proven that while we are actually data mining and it has also not been proven if and if that has been happening what they're using the data for so like on the consumer level I personally still think that the products are great and that's what we're going to focus on as tech reviewers and tech youtubers and tech journalists and whatnot we will dive I did want to make sure that we dove into this just a little bit just to make it clear to everyone we're not overlooking this this issue we're not ignoring it it is in our minds but remember that we deal with products and as of right now all we is making some pretty incredible products so it's kind of that's kind of my thought there I mean are you still using your may 20 Pro in that no it's not a daily driver anymore just because I'm on the galaxy bend right now yeah so but I mean it was my it was always my second device for a while I my my peach when he was peach when he probes my second device after my Galaxy S nine I'm more of a galaxy user Samsung pay has me hooked and a bunch of other features but the my second device was always the p20 glass a was a p20 and the may 20 in that in that order gotcha okay yeah I'm looking in the chest right now Steve Desroches DeRosa's we would have known a long time ago if Huawei was spying on us I kind of feel the same way I mean our intelligence agencies in the US are supposed to be the top in the world so if there was truly something really bad happening then they probably would've said something Matt have Verma yes they know everything but people don't care unless the data is actually stolen that's kind of my point that you know if data is stolen used for truly nefarious purposes that actually cause harm to people isn't that the whole Google thing it's like Google obviously like tracks us everything that we do but don't do harm I mean I mean the thing about it is that these this you're right don't do harm and just to quickly summarize it and I'll just give you some perspective Google shutdown Google Plus last year not because he was dying or dead because there was a data breach and they didn't tell us until they were shutting it down just remember that Equifax basically lost all our information in terms of credit scores right which is more important than all your social media crap yeah that's true and what happened nothing happened to them so you put in any perspective those again are US companies I'm not saying that a company like while we can't do damage with the kind of information or to be failed like you said the high level spine you're looking at is people who are in higher levels of governments who you you would want to spy on or executives or you know things like that that's that's that's the kind of level that you want to get into not the everyday person but when it comes to you everyday individuals companies like Equifax companies like Google companies like Facebook companies like Amazon I mean literally it's funny because it looks like Apple and Microsoft are just not in that mix because they don't they don't collect data for those purposes especially Microsoft hasn't even kind of gone away from that completely you know in that sense so just just to put in perspective that's where it you know you got a look at the t's knives but I think also this is a big fight for while we're for Europe because yes they've lost the USD know that Australia has kind of kicked them out as well Europe is the big bastion in okay if we can still keep that with fine because the next big bastion for growth is Africa and they're very China has been pushing in there for a long time now and why we'll probably find it it easy a path to go and say look you know countries countries in Africa which are you know the developing country you know for you to leapfrog that's where 5g goes faster than anywhere else in the u.s. you have to add on to correct infrastructure and Europe is the same thing if you go to Africa you can say hey look you know what look you guys don't even have the infrastructure you have a very small infrastructure we can help build our five before you BAM boom before you know it you've got places that are you know remote having five gene you're going I don't have 5g here in in Detroit or in Brooklyn like what's going on yeah that is that is the number one could fall with 5g right now all the conversations that we have at most people who might be looking at it or most people who are not even aware of all of the talker on 5g are not going to be the ones who experience five gene so much much later it's it's that's pretty much the long and short of the the 5g conundrum one one final question on this I just kind of came to mind do you think that this serves as a good example as to why Chinese companies have such a hard time getting into the u.s. because we have a lot of people in our comment sections and I do want to make sure that we address anything that our commenters and our audience members might be saying in our videos because I have been getting I I've been getting into Huawei and show me stuff recently and there are people out there who say like why are you covering this like in the turn in the sense of Huawei they are literally banned from the US and in terms of Xiaomi they don't bring any of their products to the US do you think that this is kind of an example as to why that phenomenon happens I mean I wouldn't say so I mean like most my users haven't actually asked me why am i covering this let's be on let's just look let's look at it practically yes they are banding years you can still buy them it's really not that hard to buy a while we phone go to Amazon that's it so I think the thing is because the US consumer is also used to certain buying style they've been trained that you must go through carriers you must go through t-mobile AT&T and then Apple is kind of broken it away a little bit where you say I can go directly to Apple and buy and Samsung is trying to do the same thing especially with the massive pre-orders they had Oh for the my alarm is going off weekend here but so American users are used to buying a certain way as opposed to just say hey I wasn't gonna buy my phone directly from Amazon if what we can do a deal with Amazon to have that have a financing option through Amazon I guarantee you you see enough taking sales from there and people will be able to buy because you'll be seeing all our video it was Amazon does a you know a financing plan where you can pay $30 a month for a phone on Amazon or like all the phones that Amazon sells Amazon could put it that way as long as why we get into that mix uptick in sales yeah fair enough right back yeah go for it all right so while while he's doing that we actually already put in about 15 to 20 minutes on the on the podcast so why don't we do this I'm gonna go ahead and go into it just a short break we're going to chicken with in a bong when we get back and why don't we go in and pay a couple bills and give everyone a little bit of a break after the the heavy the heavy talk there huh 93% mmm two hours for what a fast Regine 2.0 okay on the galaxy s 10 II okay there's one be sure that I cover a couple of things here before we move forward with our main topics I just wish that I could it's hard like trying trying to have so many different windows open on just a laptop it makes it tough hey guys sort through everything all right here we go the pocket not weekly is supported by the brave browser it's ad free and fast plus it blocks all trackers and allows you to use the internet without being watched or followed it uses less data but also gives you ways to give back to your favorite publishers like pocket now or xda-developers by earning ba t tokens bat tokens available for most platforms including android iOS and windows head on over it's a pocketnow.com slash brave for more info oddly enough that was a very pertinent ad read for what we just talked about and by the way in among your or your video is frozen really yeah you're know deliver you're you're in the middle you're in the middle of what seems like a salient point but your friends know it's okey there we go there we go good stuff okay all right cool so I want to do a little bit of a check-in I mean especially since it's just you and you and me here we're just kind of kicking it for today since I'm taking on the podcast for for today the live aspect that is how has your s 10 bin like I everyone's putting up their reviews I actually just put out a video today using this as my main camera for an entire day and the entire video was filmed on the s10 plus so yeah if you're interested in that go check it out but yeah how's it been for you that stent is fantastic I've seen a couple of people who have had issues at least I'll say half of the people have issues of the fingerprint sensor for the STM plus I know Detroit Borg posted that he said he didn't like the fingerprint sensor I've had no issues with mine I had like an initial issue where not an issue a lot people say you have to you know you don't have you have to tap you have to press longer the trick here's a trick I'll tell you was try go ahead and remap no remap assign the same finger twice oh really yeah huh assigned the same finger twice and it should it should actually do a better job right now so I don't have my s10 with me I usually do a camera review with my buddy who is a professional photographer so I gave him the camera of the phone for a week and we should have that video either Monday or Tuesday where he gets to play around with it and use it as a professional photographer and not just you know people like me and you but I'll be using the s10 II and the Yi's great it's small its compact I would show you but the ease over there aren't doing its thing test it out but its smallest compact and one of the biggest things with the s10 is the punch hole and the punch hole wallpapers that are covered oh my god I was just about to say so what is yours right now because I actually had to make my own I don't know how to make one yet but I I would like to do a cyclops punch hole wallpaper like his eyes are the punch hole yeah the visor visor Cyclops I would like to do that as a wallpaper the problem is a lot of people's wallpapers are not up to my standard in terms of resolution I oh I can't see oh that's Mega Man X hanging from the punch hole I have to make that myself I am NOT making it available yet I need to do my full review on this first where I'm gonna actually like kind of reveal it in that video but yeah I I looked at a bunch of the other ones at first I was using the Darth Vader one yeah that was a good one but I use that as sort of a template and then I tried to like because the thing is like if you if you were not to put this white line around the punch hole it wouldn't that make sense it just looks like he's floating and yes phase so I had to add that little like white line there but yeah that's I don't know how how do you license something like this like I feel like all of the wallpaper people who like created them there's no way like everyone's just going to steal it and copy it and you know I mean I'm I like to throw up anime and comic book wallpapers so for me they have to fit the cat I can't be just anything like I said I'd like to do Cyclops I would like to do either Cyclops but I've seen somebody do Cyclops blasting to the poncho yes problem the problem with that do is that to make it correct you've got to do the blast effect around the punch hole hmm so the person has had it where he shoots diagonally across the poncho whether it's the you know the double or the single but what you should have is around the punch hole is the blast effect so it's basically the plunge hole is diverting the blast around it my Cyclops is trying to destroy it right you know I mean this is that this is the the greatest yet nerdiest conversation we've ever had on the show but that's the thing like I can't believe a credit to the the fan base the users of the s10 plus who are adopting it early that they made something that I was scoffing it I was scoffing at this whole punch for the longest time and and all of a sudden all of you out there made it fun that's so cool that that actually happened man so yeah I'll make this probably my review of this is probably gonna come out I think you learn Monday or Tuesday so it's on that day that I'll make the wallpaper available one of our one of our commenters right now says can you even license a wallpaper of a copyrighted character you're absolutely right what I'm saying is like you want credit right like I made this so I don't know in any case I think that that should do it for the s10 stuff I just wanted to do a quick check in there because everyone's content is coming out right now I'm sure Jaime has his s10 plus review ready to go pretty soon um my review is I don't do it over here anymore I do 30 days so two weeks from now since I've already used it for two weeks will be my because then I get my full camera stuff from my photographer and and also updates and all that kind of stuff as well make sense um all right cool but you're also using the SNe and lord knows I think that's I think that might be the most sought-after one for most look seriously the s10 II as a device is is this year's winner this is I mean I I will is okay so I I like the device but for me it's a little too small I've got massive hands so using it and I realize when I when I start typing I realize how small the phone is with me but when but just using your one-handed and going through apps and stuff like that like that it's it's a phone that will fit for most people the 10 plus is really you know my own speed in terms of place plus the price seen deal that they had with the pre-order roof yeah yeah to bring back to bring back an old point I would make about handling on a phone and I bet the SME is gonna be sublime that's an old term I used to use all the time all right cool but the thing is you already given the snd a crown I mean we still have phones that are coming out a little bit later this year and one of the ones that is slated for the end of this month we're gonna talk about the Huawei P 30 and the p30 pro so I mean topic for today um okay Oh still got another okay I'll just I'll just recap some of the stuff that happens so while we were all at MWC we actually started to see some leaks come out and one of them in particular came from Digital Trends now nobody knew if this was absolutely the final design if this was real it was clearly a prototype device because you could see on the back of the phone and I I do encourage everyone to take a look at all of the stories regarding the p30 and the p30 pro over at pocketnow.com you can see over on the rear that there was a little like the word there it didn't say wah way it hardly even said like a-- i mean we are expecting that the leica we'll be there because they're going to work with Holly on the cameras once again but what we had that was VOC the devices codename so that was going to be the case there but what you could see over on the back there is also that all of the cameras are still in a line so it seems like the p30 is going to have a design style that's very similar to the p20 in the p20 Pro both of which were very much well-regarded we all really enjoyed the p21 they came out so the whole idea here first of all specifications are yet to be revealed but we're expecting it to have the Kira 980 or anything even maybe an update from it's potentially but the Karin idea was what was in the may 20 Pro so there is there haven't been confirmations from people in Huawei that the camera supposed to have a four camera set up on the rear but this first this first leaked from Digital Trends showed that it was still looking like a three camera setup now that we have a bunch of these phones coming out of that I have three on the back two on the front five cameras we have the i/o did you you picked up the Nokia 9p review right yeah so got that five cameras on the back um huh obviously we have oh yeah - back at home though um with the p30 p30 pro linking back on the experience you had with the p20 and the fact that it brought in that three cameras set up it had was it the p20 pro that decided to do away with the monochrome sensor by then no it was a mate that's it was amazing so it still had the monochrome sensor which I mean while we did a really good job using ended up creating fantastic stills photography you get a lot of the thing about monochrome sensors people don't understand is that you get more information from monochrome sensor than a color sensor because the color sensor is looking for just the three specific colors and combinations of all the monochrome sensor basically it's akin to recording on grayscale almost you know you're getting just the raw information and you can edit from there so it applies a lot more to to what you're doing but I think this device is gonna have four senses I think what they showed them was the p33 okay so that's not the thing to like even Samsung did that with their whether s10 line there's more than two variants which i think is hilarious like you get the sm+ the s2 end yes then II in this case is gonna be Pete 30 p 30 pro and then we also got another rumor over the last couple of weeks that there's going to be a P 30 light so it's like so many having variants of these phones that's that's akin to what they did last year they had the P 20 light as well the light versions of their phones are really not seen dear I'll put it this way if it's similar to what they did last year I was just skip it it's not the only person who's done like properly is Samsung so far right now with the e he doesn't feel like a light even though it is a light if you want to call it that right the p20 light last year was something that I looked at and I was like that's okay but I think I think the fourth camera is the tof sensor and I've seen some rumors where this is that's a 5 megapixel time-of-flight sensor in there so that all should help a little bit I don't know how it's gonna help with that periscopic zoom ok so there you go so the here here here come the other two rumors and then we'll kind of expound upon this I whether or not we're really into this because as excited as we might be for any upcoming Huawei device because they do they do put a lot into their phones especially in the hardware sense if you look at these renders and unfortunate I don't have OBS setup to actually show you the render size so that's why I said please head on over to pocketnow.com take a look at these renders there was a render that showed that it's a three camera setup but then right under the flash over on the side there's like a tiny little sensor and I believe that's what you mean by the tof camera that's probably what it is and like are we are we just trying to mash in as many between nokia and now p30 pro what or are we just trying to mash as many cameras into a phone as as humanly possible see I think this is the right approach I'm not I'm not the biggest fan of pixels approach with software don't get me wrong it does a really good job but it only does that certain things well bouquet mode on there looks good but it's not natural if you use a DSLR there's such a natural smoothness to it which is why I like the demo of the Nokia except Nokia now has to fix their software with updates it's the Deb is just not where it should be but when you think about it to actually get all the information you want on a smartphone camera you know ultra white is like ultra is not what you don't need ultra high but right is now an additional luxury that makes a lot of sense mm smartphone because if you think about a standard DSL you know what's a good you you know this better than I do but what's a good standard lens is somebody could buy but if I get myself sony a 6400 I just want one lens that covers a wide gap you can always get that one lens that covers a wide gamut of look I used the the Tamron 23:28 275 you know 28 to 75 that covers a whole range I can get my bouquet I can get some really sharp shots you know I can move in a little closer to close but that covers a range which one single lens can't do which is why a lot of companies use software so there's a reason why you have this these camera setups now all I needed but the time-of-flight sensor is great for depth advantage as well it really does a good job in measuring the depth so which is why Samsung has a time of flight on the 5g version of the galaxy galaxy as 10 plus and that does boquete recording mm-hmm video you know so yeah we have to see and I think that's what while weenies looking at I think that time of flight might aid into that periscopic zoom because they tease that with their teaser clip you know it's easy to send out every shot was like Eiffel Tower zooming when that big on center Monument in Paris it was assuming everything was not a arc they are yeah so so with that in mind you know that I think that goes a long way we'll see how that effects in the video as well hopefully Wow his videos improved this year because last year was it was not right right like I liked it but it but you know now that I've now that we've obviously you know what 20/20 being hindsight at the time it seems pretty great stabilization was good and the rendering was was decent it may not have been the most detailed video but it was vivid and it was nice and colorful that being said after having used this for my for my photo day video I mean we're hopefully it's going to be able to match it or even surpass it so that's the tof and you're right hopefully the tof is going to help with at the very least maybe like bouquet video which is kind of kind of becoming a trend um because while we did sort of bring it out first with the may 20 pro and then with the more recent LG v LG v 50 think you and the g8 think you they also have video bouquet as well so maybe the tof will help with that um how does this hardware look to you then because they're just so many holes on the back like it's becoming less of a really good looking phone and more of a utilitarian tool that's how I feel at least because when you put that tiny load to you off camera in there it's like you just had to find a way to put it in there yeah I mean it's it's alright it still looks like the p30 to me I wish it was a little bit flush in terms of this 9 I don't think it changed as much my thing is the front of the smartphone you know is it gonna be a dimple notch are they going and they're going punch hole because they can't do punch Oh cuz the own honor and honor has a punch all in there what are they doing with that you know it's gonna be interesting this year because you know the big guys are going a certain way and I think if I'm not mistaken I'm trying to look for the front image of this device for the p30 and it looks like it's a dimple on there yeah look yeah so think about it this way the big guys samsung has a poncho and wow he has a dimple right still some kind of Sickler on screen notch then you know Apple and oneplus aka the cheaper brands if you will in terms of pricing are going in pop up cameras that's where the 1 plus 7 I mean are we gonna be at so how does this play into effect with guys like you know wha way with the p30 and also again is that front facing camera improved that's one of the things that sound you know um and this is a video series I'm going to be doing with David we keep joking about it but we are gonna do it because it's the how well I don't know we don't have a name for it yeah how well does a front-facing camera for any phone any of the big ones handle both taking photo of both someone who he's as dark as me and has lighted to him at the same time because we've always had this problem where the camera has to decide who do I focus on and if I mean David looks like a vampire and if you focus on Avery I look like darkness you have joked about this and I think it's great but I think that is a great a great video series that you should try doing Grandia the Galaxy phones do have auto HDR on the front so hopefully it will help oh no it does help they actually did an update which fixes mine was a little way to off for a little bit so I didn't post any photos but I took one yesterday and it was fixed and unchanging and facture just love beauty mode like for me I look ashy I look like I like I look completely ashy all around so then look Amy when I turn it off things that I want to see while we fix you know the red camera they've done a really good job with your red cameras the periscope zoom looks pretty cool for me is that front-facing camera it's not that I take selfies a lot but there's so many people who do right and if you're my son is if you if you were given a phone that had a great front-facing camera and you could do some really great stuff with it wouldn't you do it more like cuz no I yeah the 4k recording on the front of any of the phone even the nokia has it even even though the nokia 9p review does 4k video recording using the front camera that alone makes me want to vlog with it more so like you know if you have the tools then you're gonna do it more yeah um I'm gonna talk about that zoom for a little bit so 10x optical zoom using like what basically amounts to a very tiny telescope on the back of your phone did you see the Oppo announcement or whether they were sort of expounding upon it yeah it was like it's a periscope yeah like and we're not talking about the the dead live streaming platform we're talking about an actual like periscope like where light refraction actually happened so that you can get farther into a shot I don't even know if what I said is correct it's probably not I don't get I don't fully understand this but the reason why I'm still kind of incredulous about it is because my main question to everybody and I want to see this in the live chat make sure make sure you answer this question there so we can respond to it do you use telephoto at all to begin with you know like I don't know about you eat like are you of zoom user whatsoever no but here's the thing it all depends away like I I'd like to use you now sometimes I go up to my rooftop and I've got a I've got a view of Manhattan I can see all the way from one World Trade Center to about 90 98 maybe 90 90 90 to 100 stream so that's a massive view of the sea and it's a great landscape but sometimes whenever you take a photo with a regular any phone doesn't matter it's just flat you can't see the buildings are all like almost unusable everything in front looks fine but you know the city landscape looks flat but that's what my eye can see I can see the detail of the city so I have to zoom in to get at least a crop of that shot and then it just gets murky now if I could do that the only food we could probably do that well enough but can't process it now is the Lumia 1020 because he just basically condensed the pixels together you could zoom in into the shot and still look good hello hello hello some happened okay I guess it's just me I will continue the conversation Betty oh no I'm here yeah I was I was I was like wait you just froze yeah yeah I'm back that was weird nothing happened it just happen oh what happened like I just I don't know I was even clicking anything I wasn't doing anything yeah now your voice sounds deeper to you that's the funny thing really Oh like no this fighter is like it just happened it just just caught off you know what yeah we got like five to ten minutes left in this we're gonna let it go why don't we why don't we just continue but yeah you were saying you have a view of Manhattan but yeah so so I would like to take a shot of that end still looks good but I do agree it's not something you use a lot but if it's good enough then macro shots become much better that's the thing though like macro shots though a lot of telephoto zooms that I find even in phones like this they have a minimum focusing distance so they just aren't able to do macro photography which is really disappointing because you wouldn't you would you would assume which is why I used to I used ultra light though exactly so you guys know why then you get really really close close but if you can do it use a periscope on the regular camera then you should be able to go in at normal distance and zoom in mmm fair enough I just think I had a video that I never ended up releasing where I just sat down and I spoke about the oboe 10x zoom and I just I literally was just saying like who would actually use a 10x zoom and it was funny because when we were in when we were in that that hands-on area people were taking pictures of people from way across the room which made me think like 10x zoom is like the stalker phone like it's that it's the it's the creeper lens the Safari lens of smartphones which is fine but I don't know it's just I don't personally have me I personally don't have any actual use case scenarios for it personally I just oh yeah my my test seemed to just go down the wayside the Batman we died on my camera and so but it's it's not like 95% it's like at the point where I'm like you know it's okay got a couple of people first of all yes I am I am Joshua Barry White for gara right now this is the one thing that I wanted to say real quick there's where is it one person here was saying how the zoom is good for like stadium events maybe concert events which is good yes I agree with that you'll you'll be able to zoom right into whoever you're watching cardi B or whatever and that's fine but how often do you actually go to a concert how often do you actually you know it's not what's gonna be one of those situations that make you buy a phone that have a 10x it's just happen let's let's see when it gets here you might I be you might look at it and say look oh this is nice like I've got the ability to stand here and capture that yeah and 10 is gonna be way better than 2 because yeah one of our homies from whoo buddy gizmo who Baron when he he had a great little demonstration during one of the events that he and I were attending he was like too acceptable zoom is is a lie like it's alive for most applications because if I'm here and I hit 2x I take a picture it's the same thing as me taking one step for laugh yeah it's ridiculous oh that one's good yeah let me lock it on you that way everyone can see that that one's good that one's that one's actually really good I going on tangents I have a deep voice and we're going on tangents Oh a couple of our people in the live chat we're asking that they accidentally had the camera locked on you so they didn't get to see my wallpaper so whom that is literally Mega Man X hanging from the punch hole shooting today I thought about flipping it horizontally but I figured you know what it's kind of cool day's shooting off-screen okay so that'll pretty much covered for the p30 there was one more thing that I wanted to cover with the peak of wahwee in particular just not just the p30 would you have been had like just I want to get your reactions because you were not at MWC not personally at least but you saw all of the stuff going on you even did a great video that hit trending on YouTube so congratulations to you sir they are fake here I appreciate it regarding the Galaxy fold up against the mate X and now we have some sort of report here that CEO Richard you said that they had several different ideas for the foldable and one of them was actually very akin to the Galaxy fold how happy are you that they did not go that route and went to meet X anyway I'm happy they went made X on that route I think like so I haven't felt it so I know I may have spent the most amount of time with the made X in terms of people that I know because Daniel went stem to BC for us and then he said he got too touchy for like 20 seconds so my thing is my thing is the fold crease and also hand the ability of that so with the with the the galaxy fold the galaxy fold has only one two floors two floors that I know they can't change now because they're launching pretty soon in April that front display is just too small you might yeah it is yeah Emily it only it only fits three lines worth of homescreen and then the camera inside why didn't you just do a punch hole inside instead okay when you open her up she's got that weird like cut out like this yeah that is it that is a Google official cut out methodology though but yeah I want to developer settings you can actually get that why didn't you just go with the punch hole instead that would have been so much better even if it's just a single punch hole camera if you see look from our reaction we really cool be nice it's actually nice in that on that landscape I like that because the weight folds and it's sizing even though it's thick it's just definitely thicker than they made X it fits into like a breast pocket you can put into your jeans pocket and if you destroy the front display doesn't matter you can always open it up and still use it right you know that's the thing V so it's not gonna have a case it's gonna have one of those you know clip cases for it that's what you're gonna be used with the fold the main X on the other hand is is beautiful looks super sci-fi and looks like oh I'm gonna break this thing that's that's the first thing that comes to mind because yes it's got a really sturdy lock and like from all indications it's solid but flipping it that way I feel like I just feel like it's going to lose more of its integrity over time as opposed to the fold and the fold once we get to like a phone 2 or fold 3 it's gonna be thinner we're gonna have a bigger display in the front where you will spend a lot of time on the front display anyway mmm because that's that's what I envisioned with most tablets is that I will spend that's right I see tablets most foldables I will spend most of my time using this front display yeah and then eventually I will go ahead and use the Eye of Sauron and open it up and go to something else but I've been waiting too much fun with these a hole-punch wallpaper again I love it yeah I'm uh I I agree like that's that's a use case scenario that again in a video that I entered of never putting out where I just talked about the galaxy fold and what use case scenarios there are I mean obviously my favorite one would be open up a game open up the phone have some fun play in that game even put it down on a table and then use a game controller that's probably the most ideal but yeah you're right the even even Richard you himself CEO of Huawei said I feel like having two screens of front screen and a back screen simply just makes the phone too heavy so we have too many screens on the device it's just going to make it so that the phone is heavier because there's more bits going on but there's also it's it's heavier in terms of usage you actually have to cater your own habits to what is there so at least in this case you are able in the case of the made X you are able to use the phone as just a simple which one's this no a nice terminator you are able to use the phone it's just like a traditional smartphone and then you don't have any compromises whatsoever the way the galaxy folds out side screen has and then you open it up and also on you have a tablet you can just like watch watch me I agree and disagree because you look the thing about is that you you you're gonna it's gonna break faster I guarantee you yeah that's the problem it's not the matter of fact that you can use you as a smartphone is the fact that if you don't lock it into that lock mechanism and hit the button you're gonna have it half way out half way in and somebody's gonna break it the galaxy fold to me just kind of feels like it feels like a book right now and and I get it we don't have the right materials yet fully for us to just be flipping around screens left and right and not bother or care like it just doesn't exist at this point there's no Gorilla Glass ten variants that will Bend and fold in ways that we should so I think right now it makes a lot of sense yeah some people will say look you know there's all the argument you know the video I put up a lot of people's like folding walls are useless it's not I disagree I think foldables are the final future where our smartphones will be this current design language of smartphones this is the extension of it because at the end of the day buying an iPad or buying the tablet is just it's just it's just like an extension of your current operating system now think about it this way if you had a Galaxy Note sized device that opens up with either fall so it went from six inches to 10 inches now I have a 10 inch display and then I can put it down and and use it to edit video whoever I want I have my full mobile workstation which literally goes from from this size to this size right boom done I go home like that's that's literally it you know 10 inches is the right size eventually for tablet right Apple has proven that with even a nine point seven inch iPad all the way you know you know in that time they've sold a lot of those but we know very well that we're coming to a point where we don't want to carry too much stuff we want thinner laptops we want devices that do we know more for so I think this is where it falls into it I would I would even argue that what users are going to want after this whole foldable craze sort of levels out a little bit is a return to practicality because I don't really know anybody who actually finds more use case scenarios from a screen that is simply bigger unless there is something like multitasking or dual screen or dual window stuff that's happening but if you're just looking at it as oh it's a bigger screen there's actually not a whole lot that's gonna add to your life just because the screen is twice as big or three times as big or anything like that I think while you make a point that the iPad pro does a good job of proving that tablets are still a viable piece of tech I don't think that tablets as a whole make it make it make it clear why you would use something that big so that's the reason why I think foldables are super niche they're very they're awesome don't get me wrong they're awesome but as far as practicality is concerned I still not convinced see I disagree trust me I think when you have a foldable and in not this year's version maybe next year or 2013 I'm sorry not 2013 23:32 yes sir 2021 you realize how good it is and I think Microsoft is the one that will prove for the Bulls the right way the problem with all the Bulls is not it's not the screen size the screen size to me makes the most amount of sense the practical nature of having a larger screen size means you can expand from working from normal to more work or entertainment on a larger scale oh no I agree I can't really agree what I'm saying is that it's just an extension of an experience you've already had yeah another original screen but that's still very key I fly a lot we watch movies of this I had the tablet in my bag but I don't want to get out of my backpack mm-hmm yeah that's fair it's it's a very simple thing but it this is what like if you think about how Apple built is its recognition right you know the iPhone was popular not because it was a phone because it was an mp3 player as well you know and and you could brow and it was a mini-computer and you had all those three things but why grab them that's the same thing and if you look at me from that perspective is that the foldable now allows me to do you know I think of Dex and thinking how like how you can actually have it if you fold it out you can actually super cute or Dex like experience on the foldable sides and that's what I'm saying like I just don't want a bigger screen for the sake of a bigger screen I actually want that screen to be used to full extent and if boy yes would be the case like that would be amazing but that's depends on the manufacturer I develop yeah yes that's the thing but also again gaming even mobile gaming I mean think about the idea that with the fold I can actually have controls here even with fortnight I don't have to have my hands on the same screen I am shooting at now it's on the top screen and I can just keep playing that to me is will make me play more mobile games than anything else oh yeah I think I can I can I can get behind that if my main use case is is gaming yeah so I think those are the things that come to play and then when you look at it from the business side of things right you know you're able to look at powerpoints much better spreadsheets you know even if you're using it in in a workspace where you now have bility to access more information and actually handle that information because you can do so much more with it now because because the thing about real estate is that once you have real estate it says I can do more the reason why we're used to this is because this is the real estate we're told we could use there's literally so once you expand it you can do more which is why you know you know Lumia fusion on the iPad pro right not that you can't use luma fusion on the iPhone just the experience of using it on an iPad is much better just because you've got a larger real estate to edit as much as we all love to edit videos we know very well you will have a better time with a desktop and a larger display to edit your video yeah that's true you can do the same thing on a laptop that's 11 inches but but the desktop with that large so it's the same thing when you now have a bigger scheme so think about it this way with the galaxy full in affordable devising in three years you can literally uh you can literally vlog all your stuff open it up and edit clean because you've got more space to do all that work hmm and like I said I completely agree with that it's just that the the actual fundamental infrastructure in apps and software doesn't do that yet so you kind of hit it on the nail already earlier is that this first generation of foldables may not be for me until we actually we actually cater our usage to it and it evolved to a place where we have all of these capabilities yeah I have no doubt that we'll get there it's just right now I'm not convinced with the current foldables as cool as they are oh yeah I think I think we did it like the two of us went ahead and got close to an hour on a podcast just the two of us so thank you so much for that all right cool well on that note that is it for the weekly I wonder if some people in the chat I still say are still saying typically voice sounds weird it does I apologize I haven't no idea that has been a problem that I've tackled 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