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and it worked hey everyone welcome to the second episode of pocket now VIP the show or we sit down with the coolest biggest names in mobile tech and just kind of talk about stuff I'm Brandon minimun editor-in-chief of pocket now and with me I've got a guy from a site that I visit all the darn time Phil Nick it's an editor in chief of Android Central hello Phil who are these mobile experts you're talking about so I don't have any of those here we're going to pretend like we know stuff and and we'll go from there Phil and I see each other a few times a year at phone events and industry trade shows i think phil travels more than a CEO of a multinational corporation god I hope that those poor guys you uh you must have racked up a lot of frequent flyer miles by now I I do okay I just got back from Alma not quite two weeks straight I went home for the weekend between a google i/o and ctia but i'm i'm now home and it's it's good to be here sorry are you heading back on the road Sooners I did a little bit of a wall I've got a week head home and I gotta go to New York for a few days yeah we're we're in the thick of it for sure awesome so so before we talk about phones I'm something sort of off-topic viewers Phil does a column each weekend if you haven't seen it called from the editors Dex desk it's a great mix of what happened in the past week what's coming up the next week and also some personal bits about Phil and something I learned yesterday is that Phil you're a fellow Queens of the Stone Age fan yeah I mean off and on and I was hanging out with a friend of mine out in the desert this weekend actually he's like dude you got it here then I hadn't heard the new one yet so I picked it up and really really good really really enjoying it it is really good it's good it's kind of dark a little bit dark very dark yet but that's that's kind of I guess my people like Queens of the Stone Age I tell you that column was actually I mean that's just a fun thing that's a place for me just write whatever the hell I want yeah when people get upset about that it's like oh don't read it it's fine don't don't pay attention yeah yeah it's a great column speaking of music are you using google music all access mm-hmm I am have you determined if it's better than Spotify for you I you know I hadn't used streaming music for I'll since soon passed died actually I just I kind of didn't want to throw money into anything else for a little while and maybe because it wasn't you know one of the big major companies things so you just don't know how long it's gonna be around I mean I say that like it's not like I haven't used pandora right like Pandora's not good or something and it's not like spotify and rdio there was anything wrong with them I just for some whatever reason I never got around to trying idiot um so you wanted to commit to a music service that would be around for the next ten years well I mean you would think so right everything else is in google music anyway that's what i've been using since it came out so it's kind of made sense to start using it but it's very much like having zune pass back for me which is great i'm not so much into the the you know explorative playlists it's like if I see something I want to listen to it I want to listen to a whole record for out the back yeah it's something else I was talking about with my friend in the desert like that's how I listen to music I don't need just you know mix tapes anymore I'm grown up now yeah this is it this idea of a instant radio it's just it's it's so pervasive now but it doesn't it doesn't work for me it doesn't like it works for you either you just like to pick the music and play it yeah I mean it's not a bad thing to each his own but that's just how I perfect you know I'm not going to listen to like Led Zeppelin and then Pink Floyd and then you know the door like I'm gonna listen to the wall front to back that's just how it's meant to be done like nature handed right exactly awesome so what I what phone are using these days um so I've been going back and forth between the HTC one on the gs4 partially just because of review cycles um you know and I'd use the the HTC One for about a month before the galaxy s4 was available so it's it's funny how and folks need to not like pay too much attention to what phone i'm using at any given time rakes it's going to change its going to change again another month but we're in that great awesome period where it almost doesn't matter what you're using because they're all really really good on so many different levels yeah i mean back in the day it was kind of a crapshoot you got an android phone and there was lag and the other one of other problems the cameras luck but now it's just like galaxy s4 HTC One they're both be really good yeah I mean galaxy s4 I think has the better all-around camera we actually just put up our list of best phones right now and at the HTC One one out but that's not to say the galaxy s4 is bad like by any stretch of the imagination I think it's got a better all-around camera it's gonna be a better answer for a lot of people and actually I just recommended the galaxy s3 to a soccer mom for an fine and she is totally happy with it and rightfully so that's still a really good phone the nexus 4 is still a really good phone you know they they each have their quirks and I think some of the newer ones have fewer quirks that something is a year old but you'd probably for the last eight ten months we've just been one of those positions where the top tier phones are that good it almost doesn't matter what you get yeah absolutely and then and then HTC has a hit on their hands and you know we write about the HTC one being the best phone we've ever reviewed and you'd think that the the fanboyism would be a little bit less now that the playing field is a little bit more you have a song lovers are HTC haters and it gets it gets dirty out there that's going to make no that's going to make it even worse I think because with no one clear winner everyone's just going to be going back and forth and back and forth and back and forth and it's a good thing and it's a bad thing I like the enthusiasm I like seeing the conversation I like the arguments right but so quickly as things tend to do on the internet they have escalated and I mean forums are just a mess right now and I think we're doing a yeoman's job of cleaning it up as much as we can but people take the stuff so personally it's like they're just phones guys yeah you know I kind of go back and forth on that because they are kind of just phones to us but to the average you know person out there it's like it's like the the your lifestyle choice it's it's like buying a house almost for two years yeah and that's something I think we need to remember that you know somebody will buy a phone and inhabit for you know 18 months two years and I wish the carriers would tend to remember that a little more to it they are important but the phone doesn't make you who you are by any stretch in the imagination I don't look down at somebody because they're using an iphone or z10 or whatever at all you know you people look at what I do and then they look at my wife using an iphone like I don't care she can use whatever she wants you know whatever works best I I have a seat n sit here windows phone 8x sitting here it's like you know what enjoy these settings I'll just live in perfect harmony it used to be true that if you had an Android you were kind of a more deaky kind of tinkerer but but maybe that's not the case anymore absolutely not the galaxy s2 i think is what really started that especially here in the states and then the gs3 i was thinking about it just in Vegas this week and just the sheer number of Samsung phones that I saw notes in gs threes specifically I saw I had one person hand me a motorola phone to take their pics to her and I had to look at it sideways and I'm honestly still not sure which one it was ya know you by far it we are into the mainstream with Android now absolutely i mean when you're activating what 900,000 devices a day or whatever the number is now I mean it's insane yeah and the penetration of smartphones in this country is is over the fifty percent threshold so everyone's get getting them and they're going to likely to land on the Android if they spin the wheel because there are a lot more androids than than windows phones or iPhone certainly exactly and honestly that has as much to do the apps as it does with anything else right so much more parity on the app front I think the iphone will still tend to get easier at Union just overall better apps Windows Phone apps I think when they're done well they're beautiful just some really gorgeous Windows Phone apps out there so if you weren't if you weren't using an android phone you have to use a phone from another platform what fun would you be using it's a really good question i think i might well be using the windows phone um in and i say that having the luxury of having used all these but i think windows phone has has really become a very attractive platform with a lot of really good services um I just I love the UI and I fell in love with that font when I first I remember being in Barcelona mobile Congress when they announced windows phone 7 series with that horrible name and falling in love with that fun it was just beautiful really nice attractive you I windows music has always been you know really good so you have all these features now these options and all these services and for whatever reason Microsoft just took forever to bring it all together and they're finally doing it and they've done a really nice job do you think do you think they're they're happy with their current rate of market share increase um you know you can always do more I think is the right answer but yeah I have a feeling internally they said all right we're doing really well what can we do to to do better and it's I think they're doing it right and they're putting a lot of eggs in one basket but at the same time they're looking at it long term and that's important to do and in this business it's so easy to look at oh this phone is a flap the company is going to fail or this phone's not the most popular phone ever the company is going to fail and we have this two-week you know viewpoint that's just it is so short right the long-term game is so much more difficult to control its I use it in terms of a ship right it's a big ship it takes a while to turn and for these companies that's what's going on I mean never mind the next round of phones that's you know 8 10 12 months out there looking even farther than that right and they're looking at manufacturing schedules and carry your schedules and all these things that have to come together so it's important for us to try to step back every now and then it'd be like you know what uh you know pick a phone so the galaxy s4 is not a huge difference over the gs3 well they just did something really good with the gs3 how many tens of millions did they sell they've already sold 10 million galaxy s4 is worldwide are they really going to go messing with that formula and doing something radically new I was of course not the beeper attic do you think there's a point at which and by the way I smell something that's burning my computer might melt in a second okay do you think there's a point at which the whole industry slows down a little bit and we get a little bit away from this yearly release cycle which is doesn't seem to be sustainable because as you mentioned the galaxy s4 it couldn't have been a leap because there's just not enough time between the release of the three and the four I don't think yearly is unsustainable I think anything beyond that for the really major major releases probably in and that's not to say you can't have you know your big platform the gs4 and then they base you know another half dozen dozen phones off that it's also important to remember that you know we're us-centric right but it's a big world out there you know you have billions of people in India and China which we know even less about just so many more you look at the numbers right so when I rode something last quarter I guess what Verizon came out with this numbers and they had activated I think it was less than two million phones or something in that quarter so when you look at it on a global scale what we deal with on a daily basis here is really i means literally drop in the bucket it's not literally drop in the bucket it's figuratively literally very much a drop in the bucket right yeah so so looking ahead to some devices that we know are coming out this year that might be small iterations or might be big steps what do you think the note 3 is going to to look like and be like um I really think LG might have paved the way for the note 3 the optimus g pro i'm i'm expecting probably you know still something around five and a half inches but with a smaller bezel so the whole form factor gets a little more narrow you know so you probably a lot of the same features that we haven't GS for software wise it's funny how I reports are kind of the hot thing of the year are you are you using your ear infrared ports on your ear One and Galaxy s4 I have I mainly use it to screw with my kids I i was gonna say i use it to screw with my wife yeah i was getting this close to turning off CNN in the airport yesterday but never remember back in the day they had those those wristwatches that you can control TV with and yeah I I had those in elementary school and the teachers became very upset it was in the 90s and every classroom I got the zenith television the 27-inch tube and I just sit there all class long turning it on and off and no one gonna figure it out yeah they're they're definitely fun it is fun to mess with things so Samsung event is coming up June twentieth way I just woke up and saw that today um what do they say in a team and maybe what was the other thing I new galaxy of some sort yeah um probably the active of the mini maybe I you know I think it's still too early for the note 3 um yeah probably probably some other you know tan gentle line there what's with these mini phones having mini specs why can't we have a mini phone with high-end specs well I mean you've only got so much space to work with right it at some point heat dissipation is going to be a big factor when you have the smaller case it's weird I mean ever since was it the first I think it's my first year in Barcelona four years ago sony started doing the mini phones and they never really took off here but I you know know few people in Europe you just love the things yeah they're great form factors I don't think it's a technical thing more than it is a marketing thing I think people want big screen phones and that's what they that's what they look at at this store that's what stands out when it's it when it's next to another phone yeah what does around this I HTC em before might might be is that the yeah so that was the that wasn't to the new desire line with it but they just announced know that the m4 would be that the 4.3 inch it basically the mini one okay um yeah I mean we'll see I I know nothing about it so other than it's got a code name so we'll see i just i get i get very giddy at the idea of a smaller phone with boom sound with with the ultrapixel camera speaking of ultrapixel you think the galaxy s4 has it has a better camera it sounds like based on your tests what do you think about this whole megapixel thing meg epistle caleb has always been just kind of a little bit of a red herring that's not to say hi resolution isn't necessarily better I think something to remember is as you're dealing with a higher resolution you're dealing with a higher file size and the HTC One is doing a whole lot about real time that you know real time edits basically right so between the Zoe's and creating the highlight videos I mean it's moving a lot of files around at one time so i can see we're moving around a format for megapixel resolution file is going to be easier on what's going to be easier processing on battery you know than doing some five megabyte you know 12 12 megapixel picture when you're 13 megapixel picture or whatever sub so look at it from that perspective no I mean my experience with the HTC One camera is it's it's either really really good it still struggles a little bit with rest I've got some really great pictures out of it I've gotten some that are just ok but for me having kids you know the video highlights function is just too awesome love it we need some we need some more songs in the and the little picker right yeah so half a dozen themes is a little light one of the first things i think we all said when we saw it was well it'd be great to be able to upload your own music but at the same time I kind of like that you don't just because I mean you get some really crappy stuff out there's oh it gives it a different field because it's this HTC music and themes so so how often you share the video highlights what do you do with them it depends on what it is i've done i was on a school field trip with my first grader a couple weeks ago so i shot a bunch of stuff out there and then shared it with everybody so it kind of depends on what i'm shooting I mean I don't actively do them all the time I guess I could do one from Vegas this week if I wanted to and I wanted to share that's it no it's contextual right you don't have to say that's the funny thing about google glass right now it's like I must take a picture from I level like we've never seen that before you know so just because you have this feature doesn't mean you have to use it all the time but I love out it I'm glad you brought up glass do you think that that is the future or it's a proof of concept of a future that might come but probably won't the product itself right now it's a developer device it's proof of concept that's yeah I mean it's a prototype I'll call it a prototype right it's not meant to be bought and used by everybody and I think a lot of us have kind of forgotten that and you know here's google glass here's why it will fail and you're seeing all these definitive poster here's why it's the greatest thing in the world it's like no its prototype it's number one you know they're obviously working on this and that they're inviting everybody to work on that with them is pretty awesome of google i think it is pretty awesome but you can kind of a scan it you can kind of extrapolate the future that google envisions where we do where this this device and it presents real-time information to you and there's less of this glancing to your phone thing do you think this is going to change the the constant glancing that we do on our phones or do you think we're always connect phones and and maybe a wearable device i like the idea of wearables do I mean that's not to say there's not a place for the larger screen because there absolutely is it it's going to come down to workflow I don't wear a watch so I need to figure out if i want to start wearing a watch again just to be able to glance down you know and save myself poem phone out of the pocket I don't know that's going to be a personal decision for a lot of people there's no right or wrong answer with that I think do you feel addicted to your phone do you ever stop your stop and say I just checked my phone two seconds ago this is unhealthy I'm checking it again I'm having dinner with my wife this is not good there are definite social hurdles we have to overcome with these things and yeah I mean especially in this job right in with a news cycle and even I say that with a wife who's you know my wife and I worked in a newspaper together we're used to just absorbing news all day long especially in my previous job there yeah it's something you have to learn and as you have kids I think about my kids growing up and just seeing me looking you know the phone all day long instead of playing with them instead paying attention to them even more important I think right now is the push that all the carriers are doing and that is not using your phone in the car never mind not texting and driving I'm saying just leave the damn thing in your pocket I'm having to force myself to do that I hear it ring or I feel it vibrate and it's like no it's just going to stay in my pocket it's just it can't be that important something something I kind of worry about I'm expecting you have how many kids I have two kids two two and six and a half it so so there do they have they phones yet no well my my six-year-old has an old iphone that uses an iPod so nice pretend it's a phone but you know they both use iPads and everything that's just laid around so at the age that they do get phones and I think about this all the time there's got to be restrictions they can't be sitting there at the dinner table playing with phones they can't be looking at stuff that is adult content how do you deal with that do you give them a phone that's that's locked down and they can only access kid mode or do you sort of give him give them the freedom I think well yeah I'm very hypocritical about it actually with what I say is always make sure you're in the room with them when they're using this stuff that said I will freely admit I use these things as a babysitter because it's just ridiculously easy right they're still young enough where it's not an issue we have to actively you know watch how much through using these things and we fail at that my wife and I were talking you know in the past week that they're watching too much TV and too much time on the iPad just because it's easy and it's a babysitter it look not to say it's not entertaining and educational I mean the kids love the new Reading Rainbow lap and the iPad and it's a great app and they're reading and stuff but still they need to go out and play they need to read a real book and it's important for us as parents to remember that and to force ourselves to force them to do it we're going to have another show contact parenting with gadgets it was no hair in the future I I think this is a really big thing I mean one this is kind of unrelated to Android but one of the things i think about is that i like the ability to track the person that has the phone and if if my daughter is out with her friends and she's nine or ten years old i kind of want to know where she is for safety reasons and and so forth but is that a breach of trust between me and her if i say honey i'm tracking you so don't do anything stupid because I know where you're going to be I think not if it's part of the social contract between you and your children no I wouldn't do it without telling them because that's just a whole other thing you know you know but the characters have applications that need I know sprint does i think 18t does as well and maybe the others that let you know where the phones are on your plan you know in the number of reasons you could want that another thing we didn't talk about with zoodles HTC bought zoodles in the past couple years and that's an app that lets you lock down the tablet and only run certain apps or only work at certain times of the day or only for a certain amount of time and that's I hate having that sort of gadget cop I would rather you know me tell my kids hey here's long how long you can use it here's what you can do and then you know we have that level of trust but kids are going to break that trust absolutely that's what kids were designed for yeah it's Joey that's yeah sure and it needs to be a mixture of both I think awesome well let's get off of kids and talk more about Android let's talk a little bit about key lime pie and maybe even about 4.3 we some people were disappointed that google i/o there was no new version of how do you read that what does that mean to you I think there was a new version of Android it just didn't get a point release right it didn't get a point increase I think the addition of of these new services outside of ROM outside of needing a full-on update is huge it is a big deal I've always thought that you know worrying about what version of Android you're on is kind of the easiest way to get a headache you know enjoy the phone you have enjoy what it can do if it doesn't do what you want get a phone that does but if you worry about having the latest and greatest update and if that's that important to you and there's nothing wrong with that but if that's that important to you you have to have a nexus phone or something that you're comfortable running a custom rom on otherwise I mean these things take time right companies don't get the code ahead of time and it takes time to re-engineer this stuff once you do get it and that's just a fact of life right that's like saying I love kids why can't I have more than one you know one more than every nine months these things take time to cook yeah absolutely so if it's that big a deal to you get a nexus and then you won't worry about it now me I you know I'm more worried about what I can do with this phone you know i'm still using the HTC One what is it on for to remember what it's on for 12 see that's my point right I don't even think about it because I'm doing the same thing on that as I do on the gs4 or as I do on the Nexus 4 you're right the only thing it's missing is what lock screen widgets not the only thing and I know that but I casually that's one of the big things little things they don't really matter at the end of the day but I I think it's been a while since we've seen a big change uh you can argue or in my face go sorry oh its back I think I think it's been a while since we've seen a big change in Android jellybean was awesome it didn't really change the look in the end the feel of the operating system you have to go back to a four-point-oh and so logic would hold that key lime pie is going to be a leap of some kind and do you agree that it's going to be leap and if so in what areas interface or architecture um it's good question honestly I have no idea I don't think you're going to see a huge change in you I and and look we've seen a change of the chrome but we haven't seen a big change in the way things work in the UI um if anything I think like what ACC did with the HTC One and and saying look we know most users out there and when I say most users I don't mean probably anyone watching this I mean normal people who walk into a store and buy a phone aren't customizing their home screens you know I can use my parents as that example I pic with your phone it looks the same way did six months ago it's me again from the story they bought it yes they don't need seven home screens right it's been interesting how many people have said hey you know what I like blinkfeed and it actually works pretty well for me I'll i use one home screen I'm using and I don't use stock i'm using action launcher right now i have the app drawer in one home screen and that's it that's all I need so I I don't think they need to really change the paradigm of hey here's a home screen and in here widgets and here icons I i like the way android does it over iOS because i have the option to do more things and instead of just a giant grid of icons that's that's tough for me to follow I don't think you know Google's going to say well we're not going to do which it setting works nobody's using them or well you know we're just going to go to all icons instead of an app drawer right they're not going to fundamentally change the way it works maybe maybe there will be some more enhancements of this google now thing which is so incredibly delightful as you promised me know very well one of my biggest complaints about Google now and especially on the phones that aren't a nexus is it so much tougher to get to you know I can't get to a staple in lock screen on the HTC One I need to haven't use the gs4 in a week so I need to try it some more but you know it's an extra step as opposed to nexus where you're just opening it up from the lock screen which is great for me that's the way Google now should work I think Google now in some form is really going to be the future of where all this is going in fact I wrote something at google io 2012 when i said look how long before this becomes our home screen of some sort between google now and google+ at some point you know in the next year to its going to merge even further so do you think that that might mean that there's a home screen that is google now but it has even more information it could certainly happen I I think whether it looks like the card metaphor or whether it's something else I mean if that's the information that you want if that's the information that is that important you know the most important thing to you why wouldn't it be on a homescreen so we'll see and having on the lock screen is really good too um do you find it creepy that your phone knows where you where you live where you work what time you leave for work when your package ships only what I only want to gets it wrong and it thinks I work at like Arby's or something you're you're close to taco bell would you like to go home now no I don't taco bell no I I think it's a good thing I think context especially that's one of the big things we brought out of Ohio this year is contextual search when I search for you know show me where San Jose is now tell me how to get there and it says oh you said there well you just said San Jose so you probably want to go to san jose now so that sort of contextual search is a huge deal not just in in shaving time off what you're doing but but making these things seem more personalized working a bit more realistic absolutely I want to jump off google now it's got about five minutes left want to talk about one more topic project shield hmm which a longer project that the shield is is shipping might June and you've had a chance to play with it on multiple occasions right I have I have what do you think about the the see the future of this thing I think it's a really interesting product um alright so it's $350 night I get for a lot of people held it and that's not an insignificant amount of money I get how a lot of people are a little bit shy of spending that on what is essentially an Xbox controller with a screen on it right I would kind of like to see a slightly larger display on it but you know what is it five inches five and a half is what we have now it's it's a really really neat idea right so you have these really powerful games that can run on its Tegra 4 it can output at 4k which is ridiculous so it's running all these Tegra 4 games it runs any Android game you already own actually runs any Android app you already your own because it's essentially stock Android on the thing it's essentially an unlocked or unlockable device you're going to be able to hack it they'll be interesting to see what people do with it the sound on it is incredible if you think the HTC One sound is good you should hear these bigger you know speakers with bass ports great the being able to stream or play games from your computer over steam and using this as the controller and the discipline okay and watching it that way it's pretty incredible that's a beta feature not everybody's going to do it but if you're hardcore gamer and then make no mistake that's what this is marketed toward it's a really really neat concept I can't wait to actually use one all day long I can't wait you know with hand it to my kids and see what they do with it you'll never mind shooting people I want to find some game for them to play and see if they enjoy I don't know if their hands are going to be big enough actually now that I think about it it's but it's a really really cool device it is a cool device I just fear that it will have a little sheriff 822 the Nintendo that the flippy thing with the dual screens and people just hat they have their phones and they think why do i need this other device especially you know the high-end phones they play android games very well yeah but not with you know controls I hate on-screen controls if you're trying to emulate you know buttons and a d-pad or an analog stick I hate that on a phone so so so you have a game so for example did you did you download sonic i did it i flayed it so sonic has these two joysticks on the screen like many android games do have if you play that on the shield will it take those off the screen let you control it with hardware or how does that work it's a really good question i'm not sure and i'm not sure they know yet either for existing games they can work with the developers what was the one i forget the one that that they were working with somebody on but yeah i mean their api is that you can use on this stuff so i would imagine it's probably not going to be a huge deal to recode an app to take better advantage of all the triggers and joysticks but it's going to have to be done for some games sure and the developers will probably do it and we might run into a kyocera echo situation know that i don't think this is gonna going to be the city the echo if you don't remember we're dual screen hinge thing it's not going to be that that bizarre I think you know what's weird we haven't seen any Tegra 4 hardware announced um yeah what was the one this past week the HP what's it called slatebook no it's the you know Lenny little mini laptop that's tiger for is that runs windows no no it's running Android they had one there so you have that I want to say that hisense one that was just announced the tablet just announced this past week I don't think that was Tegra 4 they're coming I mean look we new Tegra 4 was going to be toward you know the fall later end of the year so that's what they said Tegra 4i is still shooting for the first quarter of 2014 I mean part of this is I think NVIDIA has done things a little differently and they're being very open about development cycle for a lot of their products right um I mean they announced Tegra 4 back at a where was at CES Mobile World Congress they showed it to us you know another little detail we saw more Tegra 4i last week last but yeah to which I can remember where I wasn't when I was there you know so they're slowly marching along this process but they're doing it in public and that's not something you see a lot of time so it's easy for us to be like well where are the devices where are the devices not quite there yet there will be Tegra 4 devices by far the shield is one of the first ones tablets in these little laptop day it's coming well hopefully hopefully it impresses because Qualcomm is killing it right now and they're they're even there even advertising on TV on YouTube ads and they're getting the name out there yeah I really you know there's Sam there's Sam saw me i'm trying to use samsung of some sort of breath there's samsung king to nvidia yeah kind of like Samsung does the HTC because HTC doesn't seem to advertise well you know waiting until my mom says you should i get an nvidia device or qualcomm device i'm just gonna face palm and go home at that point just get an iphone please that's what I that's what I told my parents and they all have iphones and they they never bother me to like oh my widget froze or something or you know well anyway so we're at the end here of pocket now VIP Phil thank you very much for being our second guest how how can people find you on social I'm just at field I can sit on Twitter Phil Dickinson on google+ just search for me i'm i am unavoidable i'm sorry guys that was out there good you'll come up with some stuff and i'm at brandon minimun on twitter and thank you guys for for tuning in and i'm gonna hit that end broadcast button