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in of pocket now live we are talking exclusively about HTC one vs galaxy s4 a lot of you out there are wondering which phone should i get those are the two big contenders we're also going to talk a little bit xperia z although that is a little bit on the back burner we'll talk about why that is the case so we're doing this hangout because we were going to do this anyway we're going to sit around and hang out and talk about what device we want to carry as our daily driver going into the future this is a very personal subjective conversation and we just decided to make it a make it a hangout of course if you want to participate in our hangouts we have the real pocket now live or the other pocket now live on friday at two p.m. where you can come in and hang out and ask questions and just talk to us but for now we've got Tony and you say everyone good morning or good afternoon we've got Michael everyone good morning to you and good morning to you gentlemen and we've got Taylor hello everyone good morning very good so I guess I guess I'll start things off I've been using the HTC One putting some final touches on the review and and it's been it's been easy and yet difficult to come up with a conclusion for this phone it's been difficult because there's the galaxy s4 coming you've got the Xperia Z already out but it's been easy because it's such a good phone and me personally I'm trying to think about the phone I want to use for the next six months or whatever and the question that I asked is i know i love the HTC one it's got some features that we haven't seen in a while or ever like boom sound which makes a huge difference when you're on a speakerphone or when you're when you're listening to music and so forth um the question I'm asking is how is the galaxy s4 better than the HTC One and I'm really having trouble coming up with things for example I like the ones hardware better I like the boom sound better I like sense a lot better than TouchWiz the only really two things I can think of that the galaxy s4 does better than the HTC One is one expandable storage which I don't really care that much about 32 gigabytes on the one is good enough for me a number to the 13 megapixel camera for mega pixels on the one is just not enough and it's kind of just this strange like other pictures are pretty good but there's still a low resolution kind of thing anyway so how are you guys dealing with this decision of galaxy s4 vs HTC one I guess we'll just start with whoever talks first I I'll bring up something while it's on my mind the removable memory is not the only clear advantage of the galaxy s4 it is the replaceable battery as well these are two things that are always mentioned in pairs when our commenters you know kind of let loose about Samsung vs HTC and so on so you know I think that's something to keep in mind i agree with you brandon 32 gigs is plenty for me but i just wanted to throw it out there just to get it on the table before before we all started yeah the removable battery thing is interesting I don't think any human has ever I think some people have done it carried a removable battery with them there is a thing of them what oh when I had the HTC Thunderbolt I carried for spare batteries battery life was so bad when I think I like the Nexus I carried this Barry yeah yeah when at the Night Wars you don't want to happen you don't want to have to do that and there's something about the HTC One I haven't tested yet but i heard its remember the qualcomm 600 charge is crazy fast I haven't done this quantitatively yet Tony have you tried the time how long it goes from 0 to 100 unfortunately not I always plug it in over tonight and take it off in the morning ok ok I'm actually going to do that today I have a feeling you know usually phones charged on what two hours which is kind of crazy fast if you think about it I think the one is going to be like an hour and a half or even faster which means that you know if you're at the airport and you're going to do a cross-country flight you plug in it you know they've got this power station now you're plugging in all you're waiting it's at a hundred percent like who cares about the removable battery so to answer your question I think we need to have two separate answers 1 answer should be the objective answer and from the objective standpoint the galaxy s4 is better than the HTC One from any perspective whether we talk about the rumored American Snapdragon processor that will clock slightly higher than the HTC 10 whether we talk about the Exynos octa core that's going to be also faster than the one on the HTC one plus of course the Super AMOLED vs LCD 3 that that's a discussion we'll have to see it in our labs but of course as you guys mentioned both battery and expandable storage now the subjective answer would be you don't need 200 megahertz more on the processing power because these phones are buttery smooth and fluid as they are right now out of the box so subjectively it comes down to a couple of things one though the quality whether you like HTC or Samsung and whether you like TouchWiz or sense and whether you want expandable storage and battery or not yeah I like dead zones here um the this yeah I guess that's a good point objectively the galaxy s4 does look better on paper I'm speaking from my own subjective standpoint my own opinion and and I can i agree with you you know 200 megahertz I don't think is going to change my experience I think that's loud I think that you know if you're if you're playing a high FPS game and you were to have a little FPS meter in the upper right corner you would see a better number with the galaxy s4 if it had the Snapdragon 600 faster clocking or the octa-core but like that's that's not going to impact very much the screen is interesting um Michael we were doing the comparison the HTC one of the galaxy s4 last week and I I kind of thought that the screen on the galaxy s4 was just more impressive what do you think you know the galaxy it's tough to say at those demos I was thinking of this too because we were focusing on the screen at one point to do the air gesture the air of you you know functionality on the gs4 and I realized as I'm trying to unlock the screen and this kind of glowy sunlit glint is happening beneath my finger that Samsung has done what a lot of manufacturers have done is that they've thrown this amazingly beautiful rainbow wallpaper on the thing it's group like running through the whole spectrum of color and it's basically it's a wallpaper that would make even an ugly display look incredible so I was not able to judge until you got them both to white Brandon then I kind of did a zoom there and I yeah that was the one versus the gs4 video and it was very interesting to see how the whites were reproduced differently on each one I think the the one of them had a had a more pink cast and the other one had like that was the galaxy s4 the galaxy s4 had it was it was the warmer on it that's exactly it's a very good point and without having them in the labs both of them we can conclude that the screen on the s4 will be much much much more colorful because it's an AMOLED screen vibrant colors are there of course you can go into settings and take them down a notch but compare that to the screen on the HTC One which I believe has iphone 5 like or even better color reproduction it's going to be again personal preference that's a really good point about the iphone 5 comparison because i think that the iphone 5 is the benchmark and screen quality I think it has AMOLED like blacks the whites are the whitest I've ever seen on any phone and color saturation is dead on and I just did the the HTC one vs iphone 5 comparison in your right Tony the the color saturation is on par if not better than the iphone 5 the white isn't as good but you really don't notice when you're when you're using it at a high degree brightness Taylor are we being unfair by keeping the Xperia Z out of this conversation I mean the police from the from the screen bark if we're talking displays know the Xperia Z has the worst 1080p display FC it's not bad but it's not on the same level as slcd three or maybe Super AMOLED what's the what's the worst part is that the viewing angles of color the contrast contrast and viewing angles yeah contrast is really low it's kind of grey all blacks aren't really black black so they don't really match the bezel so you can definitely see that it's not black and then your your viewing angles I could sit here and hold the phone and spin it around and there are just certain angles text and things would completely disappear on the display at just certain angles you couldn't it wouldn't have to be like a sharp angle you could be maybe I don't know 60 70 degrees and spin the phone around and things would just disappear there's only you in a difficult situation would you say that the screen on the Xperia Z is just like the screen on the Nexus 7 in terms of quality um really mean Johnny Wow maybe and maybe in terms of contrast I didn't I have them both in it Nora had the Xperia Z but I didn't compare for the display on that but the contrast probably yeah I wonder would that last question I'm sorry just would that change if we would have if we would remove the on screen screen protector which with which it comes out of the box um I don't know that's a it's not a filter I don't think I read up on it it's not like it's not a filter it's not a screen protector to filter but I don't remember what exactly was I read up on it and I don't remember what it was sorry Michael because it can you really saw that in Vegas and we were wondering what the what effect that I would have on the display because we r you could you can see it on there i mean it's you it's it doesn't quite match the the edge so you can definitely see it's there it's smaller but it's i have a feeling and this could be just totally off I have a feeling it's the same thing that's on my camera actually my cameras in that bag but i have the sony nex-5n and it comes with a little protective cover over it which is for polarizing so if you take that off you mean you might be able to fix like salvage a scratch display but you're going to not be able to see it on sunlight so so so notwithstanding the onion oh that's right word to use notwithstanding the display Taylor is there any way that you see the Xperia Z being better than the galaxy s4 and HTC One well being waterproof but that doesn't that's really matter to me I mean I've never I've never had a water damaged home ever that's cuz you don't text in the shower enough and that yeah that's because you don't take the Year phone in the bathroom like some of us do could you literally text in the shower with the Z or is it not really made for that yeah you could um I can't remember who it was Sam something he did a water test and it stayed underwater for an hour hey it's splash and water-resistant so if you it'll stay dry or at least the insides will stay dry for 30 minutes at 1 meter depth of 1 meter so the only place left in my world where I do not taking my technologies the shower I want to keep it that way but is he all the way men yeah but imagine going to the pool and shooting some underwater videos add me some hot stuff right before you got thrown out yeah oh that's a loud ringer thanks to the room Sara go samjhe pullin probably so say oh yeah Sam point Tony he was in line with us at the Samsung event I know excuse me at the nokia van yeah yeah he did a water tank out okay well i like his hand because he didn't do it at 1 meter but he said he didn't have any Tupperware that was one meter deep so I Tony I know you were going to chime in but I want I want to finish this this this little part here Taylor are there any other ways that you can think of that the Xperia Z is better because displays a big big deal what about like performance or or quality of hardware or software maybe the build quality is better than the galaxy s4 but I have a health s4 so everything is kind of yeah but you have the Israeli assault I've held the s3 and then 02 and the note 2 I got it right yeah then use of eighty percent LDS four three much of it so maybe if build quality the other thing um I had something and totally lost it yeah the build quality but it comes at enochs oh you got it well yeah yeah it's a big loss for the Xperia Z is your band support I'm at least on mine I was stuck on edge it doesn't have the right bands it doesn't have band to which is what AT&T serves here for 3g and 4g or hspa+ not LT well just to be fair again I think your unit was an international unit and was not a US carrier unit so maybe those varietal be better but that's what I'm talking about there's nothing confirmed for them if I'm correct so yeah it's it's not confirmed yet we were before we started the hang out here Taylor was mentioning made really good point that people don't talk about the ZL that much but really the CEO is the Z without waterproofing with a more ergonomic shape with a without plastic with like a soft touch plastic on the back better brand support better band support and and it's got smaller bezels I mean it's a really nice cream but the front is still it still has this viewing angle problem problem was there any difference in screens between the zia Anzhi when you had both Taylor only that only on the software side you can calibrate the white balance on the CL so that was the only difference so same exact panel exact same panel but you could calibrate the ZL to be if it looked a little warm you can make it look a little cooler and balance it out so that was a nice thing but instead it's a nice thing and like from the manufacturer when Sony does that or like Samsung will do that but then the carriers will come along off and in America and they'll disable that feature for whatever reason Samsung is those cool AMOLED brightening and dimming controls on their international variants and then Sprint's like thanks for making this galaxy s3 for us take that off that's like a yeah we don't need it yeah the problem is that it was it looked more like a filter like an overlay so if you changed it to just a hard like saturated purple everything on the screen with the purple so blacks would look like a dark purple so it was I don't know if it was actually calibration as much as it was like a filter to balance out some I don't but you you obviously need to use it lightly and not saturated but if you want a purple screen and it's great oh my god well while brandon is going to net own i think that the only four most important aspect which people are probably interested in is how does the s4 stack up against the HTC One and the xperia z / ZL in terms of camera quality now we have not seen i mean we we did see some samples from the s4 but we have not had the s4 in our labs but we can compare it to the S free and no two and take it up a notch we've seen the one it's in our labs and we've seen the Xperia Z it's also in our labs which one do you think will offer the best imaging quality the yes go ahead galaxy s4 is going to be like the galaxy s3 III don't think they've made many changes to the Centers of a sort of make it higher resolutions I need something like an iphone 5 / galaxy three camera with higher resolution which i think is going to be really nice the HTC One you know Tony you've done so many camera comparisons and you've lived with it Munna as the way you Brandon see pixels on screens on every screen I see noise in every image whether if it's the 808 PureView or the HTC One or the galaxy s3 or the iphone 5 the best camera quality for me is the one which produces the best camera is the one which produces images with less noise and I think we just lost Michael but he'll be back so in my book I've seen the most noise on the HTC one's camera but also at the same time the HTC One kicks some serious a SS when it comes to low light performance you know what's so interesting about the one and I imagine that it's this way it was this way with a DOA / PureView it's this away with the Lumia 920 I wish Fisher was back so we could talk about this it's the weirdest thing I will be in a low light situation I'll hold the one up to it and the one will see more light than my own eyes and I had a problem while while using the one under the badly lit circumstances and the flash didn't fire because there was no need for flesh and I actually when I when I flipped the flesh forced on it produced the worse images than without flash yeah yes I hate flesh I never use flash flash is just because get it you don't have do all see how flashes like I do you don't you don't have lighting like this up here this is what you need just something so you take that with you in your bar I would / using flash I just I turn flash off the day I get the phone and I never use it do you guys room do you guys remember before we have like variable flash and flash that could sense the ambient light conditions in the first early days when flashes came out it would just destroy the image with just white and it would at it was terrible remember that it also make a squealing noise I know that girl okay that's the disposable camera at the bar mitzvah Tony so is the one producing less noise because there are fewer pixels now actually the one is more noise interestingly oh i thought you said it produces less noise no it produces more noise but it's it's the low-light sensitivity is better okay well I had time or hands-on time with the Xperia Z did some camera test I didn't do extensive camera tests like you did I mean I get I guess I did but I didn't make dedicated post to it um it was really it was actually surprising how good it was I've never really had an android phone that I absolutely loved the camera on um even even the note 2 galaxy s3 they just didn't do it for me and the 1x especially didn't so yeah I never saw the the appeal of the galaxy s3 camera and people have called me crazy but I always thought it was kind of bad so getting the Xperia Z was surprising it was just as good as the iphone 5 which has kind of been my my benchmark for cameras on phones and interesting that you say that because we know that both Apple and and sony and samsung all three of them are using sony imaging chips yeah but the difference is there's a lot of software at play there um one thing I said to HTC in a meeting at CES was stopped compressing your images so much because you're producing artifacts that shouldn't be there that don't have to be there you're compressing and that was a problem with Android from what i was told i don't know but you see that same compression on pretty much everything you get the same exact effect on the s3 on the 1x on pretty much everything and it and see it as much on the z so um i would take a picture I had trouble actually when I when I jumped it up to 13 megapixels it dropped down to a 4-3 aspect ratio so your output was 443 instead of 69 which is the standard at nine megapixels right ah just like I'm I'm sorry there so when you dropped it or actually bumped it up to 13 megapixels I'd take a picture and I would take one with the iphone and one with the Xperia Z and I would have to actually open up the information on it to find the resolution to figure out which one was the Xperia Z or insect you're saying that or look at the the file name because they were so similar I posted it on Twitter and people were like I don't know which one's better they looked so much alike that's that's good to know that that the experience he takes good photos and in your review I mean it took some really impressive sharp hi res shots I want to jump I want to jump to a specific area where we're not going to stay on for too much longer maybe or five minutes or so michael fisher dropped off I guess Boston's Internet has gone down we're doing at 225 viewers thanks everyone for joining us we're just hanging out here talking about galaxy s4 vs HTC One and a little bit experience Z something I want to talk about is software I've never loved sense very much in fact when I got an HTC phone and last year in the year before I would root it and put you know cyanogenmod whatever version was out at that time because I like the stock Android experience an HTC Sense was just too much it was put a texture and a color and a flavor on everything it was just like leave it alone and then HDC did you know with the 1x day I think they messed up the multi task switcher they made this 3d carousel no one asked you to change the no one asked you to change the multi task switcher HTC but the one is different since five is different and you know they did change the multi task switcher but everywhere I look even if I look at this widget at the top of the screen it's just a standard sense widget and you really can't see it from here it's got some sort of like texture it's got some consits got consideration for all of those pixels so that everything it just looks so good Tony sent me a screenshot of a setting a setting screen and I blow it up the full resolution on my computer because I wanted to get a little bit closer because on the on the looking at the HTC One the pictures are so small you really can't see the fine detail and if you look like like for example if you look around the battery the battery has this detailing where it's like this line and it sinks in a little bit and it's just easy nailed it with sense and then I look at touch woods which is the same old TouchWiz inefficient use of space and color and and aesthetics and I just say that sense is so much better and nicer than TouchWiz what do you guys think I'm currently running a lot of applications on two phones here and I want to show this up to you guys because you mentioned HTC reeded and rethought the multitasking screen and actually I prefer the one on the HTC I mean take a look at this you can see nine cards on the HTC at any moment and you can see one two three three-and-a-half okay let's say four applications on on TouchWiz or on Android standard multitasking I really prefer this because these cards give me a visual representation of the applications which are there even if I cannot read text I mean who wants to read text on a thumbnail but what's missing in that screen Tony if you notice something that's missing hold on because my might screen turn of what is missing is the clothes ol button well that but but the every multi task switcher that I've ever seen in my life puts the program icon even if it's small next to the preview and I hate how the I hate how on the the sense multi task switcher doesn't have that it doesn't but it has the application descriptions as in a text under the cards life in hell babe I it's you know icons exist for a reason they're they're like very easy to recognize and I list read I don't want to read write tell the tub this is personal preference and we're not going to argue or debate on this you prefer that one I prefer this one much more i prefer the stock one I yes I did they even have to change it was amazing I mean whatever this definitely like it when they changed it in since four and I don't like it now and I haven't even used I haven't even touched it I still don't like it now just circling back really quickly because I had these up I pulled them up when you were talking about removable batteries on the galaxy s4 yeah I've got this this is a power bag my book bag has a charge I've got two of these and I have some my charge I have like 15 battery packs I don't need a replacement battery and I know the advantage to being able to swap batteries on the fly is it's fully charged pop it in you don't have to wait on anything it just just boot the phone up and you're good to go but I mean these work for anything so as much as I switch phones getting a like a spare battery for any phone is kind of moot because I switch hold so much so I yeah so you're you're always ready to go it's not even a consideration ever rule better use of power packs like in your bathroom and your kitchen under your sink you know yeah basically I think everyone is a clutch there's one of them under my arm at all times speaking of that accredits there so I don't mean interrupt you I want to jump to to battery life and and then close out this hangouts Tony how has battery life been for you on the HTC One we don't know what it's going to be like on the galaxy s4 yet too early we don't have it in fact a lot of what we're saying is premature we're just speculating we don't have the phone yet of course but we will soon what do you thing about battery life on the one Tony well my my answer will not be a specific answer but you will know exactly what I'm saying so I'm not going to tell you how many hours I can run with it because I usually shut my phone down overnight because I don't want to be bothered by everything so I'm gonna compare my usage scenario which is the same across all phones on the HTC One with previous phones so the way I use my phone HTC One is right there with the s3 it's it lasts me one and a half two days while turning it off overnight so if we take that six hours out of the equation then I'm guessing it will be enough for 36 hours of my usage but that it bands from person to person okay so you can go a day and a half even if you're like playing games and you're like messing with screen brightness and I don't I don't I don't play games so that's again my my personal usage so when asked about games Tony says I don't play it no I do nothing productivity on YouTube are saying we are hasta towards winning shot or one another oh yes where we are you know this is heated debate um so um that's funny so i've been using HTC one now since uh less than a week and I've had some really strange things happen with battery life where one day I won't make it through it's only happened one day and I think I know why and other days you know I get to the charger at the end of the night I take it off at seven a.m. and i'm plugging in at nine p.m. and i still have lino thirty percent despair which is which is generally how battery life is shaping up on the HTC One it's no better or no worse than galaxy s3 like you say Tony or iPhone 5 if you do a little bit of management you'll get through the day easily if you're going out at night you're gonna have to top it off but it's not a big deal because we've Chargers freaking everywhere and Taylor even has a charging pack in this bathroom plus there's also a settings which is on by default out of the box it keeps Wi-Fi alive at all times and I like to keep Wi-Fi off during the device sleeping period and only rely on data so if you flip that off then you will get probably a couple of hours more battery power oh yeah that's a nice little hidden setting and we'll mention that the review another thing interesting is that HTC has this power save option which a lot of phones have but HTC puts it right in the notification shade and you can't remove it which is weird it automatically goes on when you're at twenty percent battery life or you can turn it on for the whole day and the cool thing about it is that it doesn't seem to change much screen brightness doesn't go as high Wi-Fi performance is probably slightly worse and i think the processor might be under clocked a little bit but when it says fluid as it was before it's as fluid as it was before so i did an experiment and i'm going to do the experiment again because it didn't work i was thinkin hey if powersave doesn't bother me why not leave it on the whole day with this will that mean that i can get through the day and have fifty percent left at the end of the night set of thirty percent in twenty percent the day i tried it that was the day that weirdly it died at six pm I think it was because I was bluetooth streaming for about two and a half hours driving home yeah but um you know i'm going to try that experiment because if that works usually with power save there's always a compromise right it's it shuts off your freakin like ability to make phone calls but on the one it you don't even notice it so before before we go offline I would like to ask both of you and I'm terribly sorry Michael is not here but he has some connectivity problems now if all three phones were in front of you and you would only be able to pick one for the rest of the night of the year which what would be the one without no pun intended with the one okay are you first probably the one I carried the One X as office the camera was for six months really without an issue I had it overheated on me and that I was it so I got it replaced but six months and I didn't really have a problem um but that was also accompanied by the iphone so I had a nice camera anyway but yeah I probably choose the one I lied i'm a sucker for really nice design and and metal so Taylor likes metal I like metal well I do not don't mean I I I don't like anodized aluminum because it scuffs and scratches so easily my phone was trashed after a couple of weeks even though I take care of it and carry in a case I have a counter-argument here's mine and it's just as new I can walk through around it you won't see a scratch on it so it all depends on how you treat your phones well you treat it like a obsession yeah toss around a little bit show her his boss cuz my iphone 5 is is pretty close to destroyed um can't really see it in this angle but it's not holding up so well no phone that I carried for six months well mine it was maybe pho maybe five months because I had to get it replaced ikd sitting for five months beaten banged it around through it around didn't really care didn't really care it in a case ever and it's got one itty-bitty little tiny Nick on the top that's it whoa hey I got a shirt yeah look creator broadcasting to you live from out of this what is this bleep world we can't hear you broski um yea sorry I'm broadcasting from an apartment building with no power so I have my mobile hotspot going and a little bit of I'm sorry sorry to interrupt is that you joined because you just joined that the conclusion says I was asking everybody and only Taylor got the chance to answer if you had all three phones HTC One galaxy s4 xperia z 03 in front of you and you could choose one for the remainder of the year as your daily driver which one would it be can I answer now yeah sure it would be the HTC One without question I beg your pardon Sunil 12 oh you did oh ok yeah yeah well the one that as well you chose the one also um ya know they think the thing is for me is that a hardware has always been very very important and I think the galaxy s4 is a really good choice if you loved the build quality and the TouchWiz and kind of everything about the galaxy s3 and while I respect the galaxy s3 I never fell in love with it so the HTC One is so much more compelling to me than either of those alternatives and principally that's hardware but also like Brandon said earlier I like sense a whole lot better than I like in touch with so that's that would be my choice for those two very brief reasons and Sony I don't even think about ever just because it's um you know American Michael can I call you oz because that's what I felt like you are right now look I'm so funny if someone said Michael live from Iron Man suit I'm just hilarious because it kind of looks like LCD display and everything on the camera and you're there any like my heads up display and all that kind of stuff yeah we should be that way yes yeah it's it's creepy in the booth when it's dark guys I gotta tell you well its pitch black Brandon your turn yeah so so back in the day HTC used to make phones that were all around just really good even down to the way it feels in your hand and then they messed up they came out with after the desire HD everything went down the 1x had lag it's amazing camera was terrible it's in hand fuel was kind of weird the only thing the X the 1x had going for it was it screen a really good screen what keeps surprising me about the HTC One are the things that I don't notice the things that I cannot criticize because everything everything together is just so well done the way that it feels in my head I haven't thought about the way it feels in my hand because it feels so naturally weighted the boom sound is I really didn't think that would be that big of a deal but it's really changed the way I use my phone speaker phone calls are incredible I place the phone down and I play some Spotify music I leave sonos turned off the way that it looks from across the room the speed and fluidity everything operates at an even beat I mean you get these phones and it you know jelly beans coming along and hardware is coming on you don't see this as much but everything just operates at the right beat and I'm borrowing that work for Michael because he likes to use the word beat and to like to use the word beat buttface but you know what I mean like it's you press and it responds at the exact right amount of time to make the experience feel completely fluid and completely amazing and then the screens beautiful i love what sense looks like although i am i'm going to put a third party launcher on here because i don't think that anyone in the world even the blindest or the oldest grandmas in the world thinks that your home screen grit should be limited to four rows of icons down on a 1080p screen it's just totally inefficient use of space especially if you go into the app tray I mean it's come on you can fit a lot more icons um so you know I don't think my opinions going to change when i get the galaxy s4 i think HTC really did an amazing job and this is going to be one of the highest ratings all i'll ever I've ever given a phone when the review comes out so sorry for the long winded answer but I I feel good about the one I really do I'm just circling back to the Z quickly you're talking about how it fills in the hand one thing is is that the Z even though I have this note here I don't have those anymore this thing feels kind of comfortable in the hand it's tapered and it's rounded and it feels nice it's big it's huge this is the note 2 if you couldn't tell feels great but the experience he was only five inches and it felt bigger because it was just it was like the if1 just straight sides and it felt so big and uncomfortable in a hand that was probably the biggest turnoff that's why I would choose the zo or CL over the Z every day it was just it wasn't organ Amish whatsoever the button placement was really awkward too but yeah so that kind of goes into play here if that was better it would be much higher on the tires unless we'd be talking about it more yeah Tony what is your what is your final conclusion here I completely agree with the with you Brendan I have used briefly that is the Xperia Z and at mwc I've been using the HTC One both colors for a week now and I've used the s4 now I haven't but I use the S free and it's the same sand and now I've said this even before I've seen the galaxy s4 I am tired of the galaxy s3s design and for me design is more important than for instance some of the features which I don't use I don't use smart stay I don't use that body I don't use anything from the Samsung ecosystem were operating system or user experience which would allow me or make me choose it over the HTC One but the HTC One on the other hand aside from all the pros it brings it also has a con in my book the biggest con with HTC one is its camera unfortunately well it it's it sucks to hear you say that but what she knew is coming I knew it was coming actually it's a considerate like the weakest link in the chain in a strong chain you mr. in a strong chain because the phone overall is very good but the weakest part of it is the camera just like the weakest part in any samsung phone is depending on who you ask either TouchWiz or something else I think that's a poor analogy just just based on the chain just based on you're only as strong as your weakest link so I'm just gonna leave here that you come up with a better analogy but we're not smart enough I guess I'm so stop it I basket what I you know what I know what you're saying okay so I'm gonna wrap this up here so so guys thanks for joining us we've about 300 viewers that's awesome as mentioned in the beginning this is a roundtable discussion where we just wanted to talk about galaxy s4 vs HTC one vs xperia z the real pocket now live comes on friday 2 p.m. where you can join us it will be an open hang out anyone can join get grandma grandpa sister brother to join anyone but for now just going to do a little bit of twitter action Taylor Martin is at casper tech follow him he's awesome follow michael fisher at captain two phones follow him he is awesome tony is at aunt Tandy nudge module yeah Chloe whatever good but but as you as you can see there says there's this twitter 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