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alright hey everyone welcome to the 12th episode of the pocket now podcast we were just saying how we are now a preteen podcast you know if you're 12 years old your preteen and so we must have a curfew I don't know what that means that actually makes no sense whatsoever I'm brand a minimun editor-in-chief of pocketnow.com and on the line we've got a special guest dan webster say hi damn hello everybody hello hello and you might know Dan Webster from many reviews on pocket now he also does the windows phone 7 app showcase and the android app weekly every week he does does these videos where he goes through a variety of applications he covers them in in 30 seconds each so it's a very quick dirty way to get you know some some sort of uh I guess recommendations on apps that you might want to download for your windows phone 7 or your Android device so check that out if you haven't yet they're really interesting and they I love watching them because I'm always looking for new apps to uh to download so we're going to do a little a little bit of a shorter show this week probably 45 minutes instead of the full hour it's Easter Sunday so we probably want to yeah go on an Easter egg hunt or are you are you going on an easter egg on down and I'll actually have to work oh no yeah it's been an interesting weekend let me tell you will there be eggs at work uh I doubt it but uh someone destroyed one of our bathrooms oh no so anyways how is that echo yeah so I've been testing the echo or trying to use it as my daily driver it's as I'm probably going to conclude in the final review whenever that happens to be written it's a really good concept to have two screens on a smartphone but the use case scenarios are very limited that's the problem number one problem number two is that kyocera is making this thing it's ugly the hardware isn't great and it's backed by a name that hasn't done really a smart phone before to the first point when would you want to look at your email while browsing page on your smartphone I haven't run into one situation yet when would you want to look at google maps on one screen and something else on another screen it's just the use case scenarios aren't there can you think of any instances then when you thought to yourself well by two screens on the smartphone my life would be a lot better mm probably not the only purpose that I could see the alternate screen being used for is a keyboard and if you're that inclined to have a keyboard you might as well have a you know a physical keyboard on a device it seems kind of weird to have two screens I mean if you're in a watch a video you have that you know you know black bar in the center between the bezels so I don't know it doesn't make much sense to me I mean it may appeal to some others but yeah seems kind of like a gimmick at this point it is a gimmick and I think kyocera thought you know how can we how can we make headlines in making our first smartphone and they did it but as you imply the the black bar between the two screens you know maybe in two years when we could you know pack a dual-core processor into this thing with better hardware even higher resolution displays and software that is even more optimized for dual screens then we could have a really compelling solution but right now the technology is not ready the world's not ready for a dual screen smartphone yeah if they had like a AMOLED or something that was flexible and you could fold it out and it be flat that would be okay but still I mean you have a 4-3 aspect ratio between the two and there's really nothing out there nowadays that uses a 4-3 aspect ratio I mean everything's in HD 16-9 so I mean it doesn't make sense to have a screen like that yeah I I guess you know it's kind of cool when you flip out the two screens and you look at like Twitter or Facebook you get 960 x 800 resolution which is sort of cool but I don't know if it's that that much of a better experience than if you were just used one screen you know yeah other than the screen I mean how is the other hardware I mean it is co Sierra so is it just not that great or is it fast and I would how would you rate that well it's a little bit slow it definitely needs a dual-core processor to keep up it needs a little bit more RAM it's ugly as sin it's just it's thick it looks like a prototype it really does and it probably is very close to the prototype what it looked like so it's it's got a lot of problems in that respect it works a little better than I thought it would actually I mean the way you bring up the two different applications is you press two fingers or one finger on one screen one thing or the other screen at the same time which also happens to kill multi-touch you can't use multi-touch in these applications that can run in parallel so kind of a kind of a pain there to have to resort to double tapping to zoom in it feels like it's you know 2004 or something that's weird how's the battery since it has those you know two screens I mean is it worth it I mean I saw that there were only six 13 over the 13 90 s up like that yeah thirteen thirteen seventy the battery life is tolerable if you leave automatic screen brightness on and when you do that the displays become very dim so if you turn off automatic screen brightness you'll go down about two percent every minute sometimes three percent it's kind of ridiculous well that's fast that is true so what the full review coming up soon on pocket now the kyocera echo with performance benchmarks more remarks on battery life and what it's like to live with the dual screen phone really as a daily driver so let's hop on to the next thing on April eighteenth there was a sort of piece of news talking about Samsung launching a 2 gigahertz dual-core smartphone for 2012 and you know we heard that the galaxy s2 and the HTC Sensation are going to ship with 1.2 gigahertz dual-core processors which seemed really fast I mean think about when your desktop computer had at one point two gigahertz dual-core do you remember do you remember when that was then I think that was like 97 perhaps a long long time ago but but the thing is that like processors even though they kind of maxed out at like four Gigot Giga Hertz because of the you know silicon technology it can only you know do so much right so it I mean when will the phones stop having super fast speeds hmm I mean even just a couple years ago we had like what four hundred megabyte or megahertz processors and yeah the 409 so we're around for a while I mean eventually i think this sort of happened with laptops especially you run into power consumption issues so it's better to have more cores clocking in a lower lower you know frequency than to have what fewer course clocking in a higher frequency exactly but then we talk about this all the time on the podcast about we're seeing an arms race really for processor speed on smartphones I mean all of a sudden we're seeing dual-core processors and you know one gigahertz wasn't enough for going to 1.2 and two gigahertz next year what are we using this power for I checked my email on my phone I look at a YouTube video Android isn't built for multiple cores can you think of any situation that would benefit from having multiple course besides gaming of course the only thing that I could see it benefiting is a hero to record like Full HD or playback full HD but the displays are gonna you know make it smaller anyway so there wouldn't really be and that's you know a necessity to have a two gigahertz processor with dual cores unless you're going to be recording those those high resolution videos that's night the only thing that I could you know team we reasonable to have such a yeah yeah and even even in the case of a qhd screen like on the sensation so you have 960 x 540 it can record 1080p but it can't it doesn't have enough pixels on the screen to play it back exactly and I mean you know we have video cameras that only have a very low processing speed in their digital processors and they can are there still able to record 1080p so I mean it seems like a lot of wasted power yeah I guess I guess if you want to do some video editing on your phone you probably benefit from multiple cores that would be fun that would be fun it might be a little bit frustrating I mean editing video on a desktop can be frustrating so let alone a kind of phone oh yes so speaking of multiple core processors and software taking advantage of it or not taking advantage of it Apple is reportedly doing something that's very very smart the iphone 5 which is probably going to launch in September or so is likely to have the a5 dual-core chip and so what they're doing apparently is seating developers with iphone fours with an upgraded chip so the developers can start working on apps to take advantage of two chords because the operating system will be able to handle it the the hardware will be there so Apple wants to launch the iphone 5 with apps that can take advantage of two cores which is such a great idea yes it's very smart it seems I hope that they change the form factor of the iphone from the iphone or to a different iphone 5 but it is smart to send developers a dual core processing device because now they're able to create better games and all that great stuff I don't know is it the iphone 4gs that they're sending them or something like that yes I guess that's kind of what it's called and and who knows maybe maybe the iphone five will be called the iphone 4 it wouldn't be for geo that's trio 4 4 s 4 s they're really messing with these names I mean it's very likely that the the iPhone 5 is not going to be forgy capable meaning LTE or it'll probably do hspa+ especially if it'll be on tmobile which we're hearing about today inter be really cool is if they just sent all unlocked cdma gsm everything you know that'd be pretty cool with me what do you mean well if like they just sold unlocked devices that you could go to apple purchase kind of like you do in canada you pick the carrier you want to use you can either use verizon tmobile or ATT and then you just do it like that that'd be awesome if the the network technology was similar enough to allow you to do that yeah that's what they do in Europe right I mean we were talking about this last I'm yeah it's it's a it's great freedom to be able to buy a phone and then choose the carrier but it's almost as if in the US the carrier is the almost the primary motivating factor I mean you've got to get the right plan you've got to get a service that you deem to be reliable and good in your area rather than starting with the phone and then going to the carrier very much so pretty cool alright well let us move on now the next thing we're talking about in previous podcast we were sort of criticizing the windows phone 7 updates because you know Microsoft released this grid that said you know had februari update listed and then March update and it was like April and the februari up they hadn't been delivered to devices in the United States but they seem to have catched up quite well it looks like across the board except for the HTC surround the the node 0 update and the pre no no update have gone out however AT&T sort of has tried to explain why there was a delay with with the focus and with the quantum and now with this around which is that they added some enhancements which i think is kind of silly one allows you to automatically switch between 18 key hot spots when available units gets great and the next one will allow support for the AT&T address book what you know everyone uses yeah what is the AT&T address book okay I if I can remember I think it's a paid for service that's provided by AT&T that where they'll store your phone numbers but who would use that nowadays I mean we have outlook we have you know google contacts so many services that are free that allow you to just save your contacts I think it's for people that don't really know what's going on yeah that makes sense it does i mean that's like they don't know they don't know that there's other options out there in order to save their context yeah there there are a lot of people like you know like my mom and my dad and your mom and your dad who would pick up a phone like this and say oh you know I I don't I don't know anything about storing my contacts in the cloud so that they're always backed up but look there's a program right on my AT&T phone that does that for me and it's only you know two dollars a month or whatever I'm exactly but um speaking of parents my mom is still using a flip phone gotta get her to I gotta get her on android or windows or something something okay what what do you think she'd be happy with you know what I got her a nokia surge a year or so ago and it was it was nice because the keyboard was huge but she's she's still having trouble so she should rather use for long this is fun we're talking about phones that Dan's mother might like oh we can move on well actually no this is kind of a cool topic of conversation because I think a lot of people you know that are listening are probably young ish there might be some you know older folks listening and we're happy to have them where their parents are still using foot bones feature phones they haven't yet converted to smartphones because they say you know why do I need you know why do i need to pay apps for a data plan why do i need to check my email when I'm going out of the house I don't care if I you know get any email from from work my dad actually got a smartphone for the first time in in the summer with the iphone 4 and naturally as predicted he loves it I mean he checks flight times on the way to the airport he checks his his bank when he's you know what he's thinking about it not near a computer uh but my mom yeah she said she's still in love with her her flip phone nice I let's see I I don't even know what my dad's using these days I think he just switched to verizon most likely it's not a flip phone I know that a lot of his friends use Android so I don't know why he doesn't get on the bandwagon maybe he's a non-conformist he's kind of he's kind of computer illiterate oh that maybe he's got her illiterate maybe yes he's 110 speaking of flip phones it's been a really really long time since we've seen a smartphone flip phone I think the last one you know recently was the blackberry what was it the guy remember the name smart flip right yeah something like that and before that you got to go back to the HTC Star Trek remember that oh I have one it uses it's a pretty sweet device just because um you know it it was it was powerful for a flip phone yeah what would I run windows it was a windows I think it was five that it came with of course you know changed that to six point five or six point one or so like that yeah I think they upgraded to 6.1 that phone you know Adam had when I had one that was a really cool phone I mean it was really it didn't have a touchscreen it was kind of slow and you couldn't do much with it you can really browse the web very well but it was it was it was a revelation to be able to have smartphone capability in this familiar comfortable flip phone form factor so it was a pretty nice phone I don't know why HTC decided to not go to flip phones of course now we all have slate so apparently they were right why do you think HTC canned the flip phone I think it was probably more design trends people were probably fed up with the flip phones although flip phones design was was great because you wouldn't accidentally dial someone like you do today I mean yesterday I even accidentally dialed someone on my iPhone and mmm so did you have a capacitive stylus in your pocket okay i'm such a nerd but yes I did no way that's what you accidentally called someone I don't think that's how it happened but um I did have a capacitive stylus in my pocket because I if I'm at work I can pretend that I'm writing on paper with my stylus and use my phone I'm a bad guy man what can I say I hope I wasn't no one from work is listening to these differing state I hope not the reason I mean at the end of the day if you want to know why company doesn't make a product it's because they don't think it's going to sell I mean obviously they're in a for-profit business and I think this is one place where omz wrong I think a flip phone would sell despite it having to have a smaller screen I mean the screen on the Star Trek or whatever was about 2.5 inches it was microscopic compared to the monsters of today and first there are still people out there that want a flip phone i don't know i think we should do a petition and if anyone listening is you know it feels the same way about the flip phone form factor and wants it back leave a comment and maybe we can maybe let our voices be heard or something like that you do a poll we could do a poll in fact we shall do a bowl i'm going to write that down and i know we weren't supposed to talk about flip phones but one more thing that I really like about flip phones is that you always got a dialer pad so you open up the phone and you start dialing to make a call it's not you know go into the phone application go into your favorite list or go into contacts hold down the android button to bring up the keyboard so you can type the name of someone trying to call all right well let's get back to our scheduled program and we'll do a little pull about flip phones because we can say speaking of dialers why are we still having to dial the entire number or search for a contact why Cannot every single smartphone just you know automatically start finding who are searching for you know just about dialing the first few digits of the phone number or their name is one of the biggest things that I don't like about some smartphones is that you're you're a hundred percent right I the echo doesn't do it HTC devices do it for those of you that are unfamiliar we're talking about smart dial so if you're trying to call Bob you don't have to go into contact you just type you know you look at the little letters under the numbers and type that way and maybe maybe it's an intellectual property issue mm-hmm but you know stock android doesn't do it so maybe it's an HTC thing can you think of another I mean the iphone doesn't do it even so it doesn't maybe HTC has the patent on smart dial windows phone 7 doesn't do it unless you have a HTC devices oh yeah actually I don't even think it does add if you have an HTC device hmm just because it's the all you know lock down by windows that's suspect yeah well uh are there are there third-party dialers you can get on like a sony ericsson device for like an Xperia Arc sure um I'm sure there's something in the android market I haven't really looked that much I I've used something on iOS but it was it was horrible and it was even a paid for a penis kind of upset that I paid for it but um perhaps her stuff on the android market maybe I should find something in a yeah let's post but let's both look and if we find something I mean this will be very helpful to a lot of people who find it frustrating to not get smart dial in the dialer cool already so let us move on to the next thing so Dan you have a focus right I do yes and it just updated just did let's see when it update I think was last week on Tuesday perhaps maybe I'm off yeah I think I well I updated on tuesday because that was the last time that i use that phone and is it everything you hoped it would be um you know what there really hasn't been much change other than the the market and the copy and paste but i guess there was other features that were added to the AT&T devices i never use hot spots i always leave things on 3g yeah or you know just use Wi-Fi at my house I've I don't think I've I think the only time I've ever used a hotspot for ATT was added McDonald's in a parking lot just because I wanted to see what it worked how how it work just to do a speed test how did it work it was okay I mean it wasn't the fastest i mean my thing like 3g was even faster than that than the AT&T hotspot so well you gotta go inside the mcdonalds get some fries sit down and then you'll get faster speeds oh no yes so you know this node 0 update was a rather minor it basically brought forth features that should have been there from the beginning and we're hearing more and more about mango and we talked about mango last podcast but this last week we made a post which was actually one of our most commented on posts in pocket now history talking about nine missing features from mango and I'll just call out a couple of them and then I want to read a couple of comments that some of our readers wrote in about so mango as far as we know by the way these things might happen this is just what we've heard so far no Wi-Fi and USB tethering no screen capture no flash support in the browser no support from front facing camera and video chat no turn-by-turn text-to-speech navigation with offline support no third-party keyboard support no landscape support for the Start screen no sharing options for video and no smart dial yeah so I think the biggest ones of all these is probably the Wi-Fi and USB tethering because almost every smartphone that comes out on every other carrier is you know allowing users to access these these features so they can connect their other devices like their let's say their kid is in the back seat with a PSP or something and they want to go on to the PlayStation Network well here you can just access it online on your phone you know on your PSP let me connect my phone or or someone needs to use their laptop really quickly well here you go you can use that if you don't have a connection somewhere right another big thing for me is screen capture because if you don't know if you've noticed but every photo that I that I've gotten for the window a windows phone 7 app roundup has been offline or off of the zune marketplace just because I can't capture anything from the device itself so they're kind of a stolen pictures if you could say and I think for others the flash support although you know apple says that flash is going away but but flash is a great thing to have I mean I think that's why are people with Android devices loved browsing the internet so much is because if you have android 2.2 or higher than I mean you get all that flash support on the internet it's just like being on a computer so so yeah how important is flash to you you know I it depends on what I'm going to be using it for I use flash um pretty regularly I've even installed the fresh on my iphone 4 just because I wanted to see how it worked and it did not work as well as it does on the Android devices let's see like you know there's just so many websites that use flash so yeah and you know it's just the current state of the web right now but but certainly I think the consensus from all sides except for adobe is that html5 is the future so here up here are a few comments there's there were a lot of comments for and against our article saying you guys are crazy stop trying to be critical and other people saying yeah you know I totally agree with you here are some other features the windows phone 7 could have so I'm just going to do a small sample here this is from Mikado whoo then pronouncing that right being a new windows phone user I freaking love this phone and say I'm so happy at long last to drop my droid here is what I would like to see added honestly put in the musts I don't understand what that say but you're here is a must or the musts more bulk stuff bulk SMS pictures video and so on so you can do more actions at one time custom ringtones which actually will be in mango by the way full zune experience create playlists and smart DJ zune has a lot of really cool features the zune HD that Windows Phone 7 doesn't have so I understand that and of course he brings up smart dialing here are some good ones things that phone needs hdmi output windows phone 7 doesn't support it this is kind of om specific USB on the bottom what's with this side crap messes up my dock in my car that I made no need for ashtray nice what do you think then USB port on the bottom of the side I would probably say the bottom the focus hasn't on the top and it's rather annoying yes we are the top is thumbs down for that I mean I guess it matters what you're doing with your phone I've heard the the argument about the the car dock Adam also made a car dock and he puts the the jack in the bottom which makes a lot of sense so the one on the side is kind of weird it looks like HTC is going towards side too so people were gonna have to get used to that finishing up this comment he said things that can wait front-facing camera we are two years away from this being really mainstream cool to have but not needed yet tether he said okay this could be nice however I've rarely not been around an access point and when I'm not I should not be on the net anyway it's a good point here's here's a really good list from Philip Jones and then we're going to move on to the next topic let's see here ability to save location in being mapped better camera settings and have the ability to take photos with a touch of a button or have a timer to lower camera shake that's a good one this is interesting the office software is worse than on windows mobile 6.5 why what do you think about office on windows phone 7 10 I've only used it a few times it's okay if you're going to open up documents to create new documents it's kind of a pain I couldn't see anyone ever using it to create a PowerPoint document but to create a word document really quickly if you just need to type something up it works pretty good it's nice to be able to change some of the fonts and let me see can you change the parts i think you can you can yeah yeah you can change the font and you can increase the size and stuff but other than that I can I see anyone you know creating a super rich powerpoint presentation on their windows phone 7 device and i don't think i don't think that's what anyone wants to do nor what microsoft and has intended Becker but I don't think it's worse I think it's pretty similar to what it was before plus you know they have a pretty robust commenting engine built into it which is handy when you're collaborating with people I mean there's a lot better now that you can copy and paste yeah ok so here are some others make the keyboard whiting wider when typing in landscape I believe you get a menu item on the right when you're in landscape and typing and then there's a black bar on the left so that makes sense support for dual-core processors I think that Microsoft could potentially beat Android to this be Google to this because android of course doesn't support multiple cores right now honeycomb probably does let's see in a couple more DLNA and Bluetooth 3.4 oz be on the hardware level a file explorer with the ability to transfer files via bluetooth we're never going to see a file explorer in Windows Phone 7 it's very anti what they're trying to do and native micro as addy support yeah I I agree with that do you remember the whole fiasco dan with the microSD you know the focus happened to have a external microSD port but you had to be careful with it yes and I used a card that was not that great I think it was like a class 2 was 16 he go gigabytes and the phone would freeze constantly so I had to switch back to a higher class of 8 gigabyte car just because the other card I don't know if it was a failure in the card itself or what was going on but it really does matter which kind of hard to use just because the focus was able to you know you could switch the cards out and a lot of the other devices you can't but I think that they should allow people if they want to upgrade the memory I think that would be Intel on their part just because I mean rumors are true the iphone 5 or 4g or 4s or whatever it will have like 64 gigabytes of memory and you know a lot of other devices are able to use a 32 and when they come out with the newer technology I think it will be able to go up to 128 gigabytes on an SD card with that it's amazing yeah and it's also a big cost savings for the OEM to have the option to put in a diminutive amount of memory on the phone like on the key of Secrets Sarah echo there's like 500 megabytes of storage but I mean who really cares what's inside on the device if you can if the device can come with a storage card that's that's the best case scenario or if you can go and buy a cheap you know 8 16 32 gigabyte microSD card I mean it's a it's very necessary nowadays given how costs are to have a have an external microSD slot I agree yes very good let us move on I don't know what kind of accent let's move on to our next story um the sony xperia sony ericsson xperia arc which is what you reviewed right then yes awesome device awesome does asus it was a really great smartphone other than it being made mostly out of plastic it was nice and thin it felt good in hand it took phenomenal photos I couldn't believe how great the photo quality was in both the video and just regular you know still photos hmm so you must be excited that it's coming to the US yes and I do appreciate that sony ericsson is going to you know unlock the bootloader so that you'll be able to access things that most you know most androids aren't able to do just because there's a lockdown yeah yeah that is very what's the word it doesn't seem very open source like you who wanted the Android operating system to be I mean if that makes sense yeah purpose of it was to be open source so I mean if they keep things locked down then it's not really to open to everyone so well that I think that part is just up to the OEM Google really can't control that I mean they I'm sure that Google wants the all of these hot pieces of hardware to come with unlocked bootloaders but the the OEMs don't want to get calls to their support line constantly saying i bricked my phone because i installed something i did explode nice mom it also the screen on the Xperia Arc was really really clear you couldn't he couldn't see it in video but watching watching videos on the device I mean it was like watching them on an HDTV just because it was so clear and the transitions from frame to frame was just so smooth I mean it can't even explain how how clear the device was just because of the Mobile BRAVIA Engine so you think that made a big difference I think it did um I believe that it turns on when you're doing a graphic rich media and stuff like that so and it would turn off if you're just using the home screen isn't like that it it must be cuz when i was at CES and i did a hands-on of this I basically went into the settings it was off and I flipped it on and I said nothing's changed this is stupid but but it sounds like I should I sort of shortchange the arc and that the bravia magic happens we're actually doing something that would take advantage of it yeah another cool thing that sony ericsson incorporated into this device is you are able to connect it because it does haven't made a micro-hdmi port on it you can connect it directly to a bravia television and it will even turn the TV on I have a bravia tv and unfortunately I didn't have a cable I wanted to try it out I didn't have a micro HDMI cable so I did see videos online showing that it was able to turn the TV on and you know show exactly what was on the screen on the large screen so that was great if you want to share things I don't know how practical that would be to a lot of people but it was nice to have the option so so it will turn on your TV just by plugging your phone into it yeah if you have a bravia powered television it'll turn the TV on what are the other advantages well it was great because you could show the impact it would it would convert I think it would change it to also portrait and landscape depending on which way this the phone was and you could share videos and stuff like that huh so I don't know how many people would use that I guess if you were going over to Grandma's house and she had just gone over just gone to Hawaii and wanted to show you our slideshow then there you go grandma has a tube TV with bunny ears I don't think I this isn't going to happen here nice anyway so yeah so the artist coming to the US which is Grange the great phones then this summer on a gsm carrier so there are only two choices for that all right let's uh let's move on Apple is suing Samsung and it's over a lot of things but most notably and most understandably is the the appearance of not only the this galaxy estan the whole galaxy s line of devices the fascinate the what are the other ones there's like 15 the epic the captivate and the fascinate did I ever seen that I said that and and the icons just how the the icons look next to each other and sunny Businessweek did an article showing side by side you know the iPhoto application with the Samsung photo application the Settings icon with the Settings icon on the other thing and they are so similar I understand why this lawsuit is happening that's exactly what I thought when I got the galaxy s a year ago I was like wow this is a 3gs and the iphone 4 just came out I was like are they going to copy the iphone 4 and apparently they thought that was a good idea to also but the weird thing is like why would Apple be suing them when they were the manufacturers of their processors before so I mean I don't know it all depends on who wants money i guess but yes i agree they do look very similar to one another i mean even even the you're right even the apps look like iOS apps I mean they're just the same shape the rounded corner square and I mean it looks very similar you know Apple has trademarked the daisy flower representing their photos application they trademarked a flower oh yeah they did um I do not know that they were among many many many other things so so if you look at the the galaxy s photo application there's a flower in the background and so I mean why couldn't they put a dog or not a sky your sunshine or something or smiley face I mean maybe someone has a smiley face trademarked already walmart perhaps well uh yeah but you know fortunately i guess it doesn't really matter to the average consumer because this is probably going to draw on for years and years but the new version of TouchWiz coming to the galaxy s2 is very different than iphone they've redone it quite substantially well that's a very intelligent move on their part so they don't get sued again but we'll see the if i can remember the form factor looks really similar to the iphone for me it was a you know kind of like a square device yeah what with the flat edges yeah i mean i mean it's hard to avoid that iphone look I mean it's you're right i mean i'm looking at now it does it looks like the original Galaxy S which looked like the iphone 3gs but what are they going to make a triangular phone hear me yeah yeah and um I don't know it's it's weird on Apple's part that they should be so offended that people would want to be similar to their devices yeah yeah um that I guess the the question at the end of the day is has Samsung's actions to make their product appear to be like an iphone then detrimental to iphone sales does someone go into a you know a verizon store and see the fascinate that and see the interface which kind of looks like an iphone and says hey you know I can't I can't I get the iphone it's much more expensive but this fascinate is hundred dollars less and it looks like an iphone so I'm gonna get it and forget the iphone yeah i doubt it i think if someone's gonna get an iphone they're going to get an iphone I've had friends that actually had a past me and they wouldn't got the new iphone for verizon i was because they wanted to use it and I was like I was like that's cool i mean the apps are great for iOS course but but yeah i don't think people would confuse the two i think i think if they try one out and they like one they're going to choose that one opposed to the other so i don't think i don't think they would be confused by the the form factor or the applications on each or you know the platform on each yeah good point well we'll see what happens with that as you implied Apple and Samsung of a tight relationship they provide you know samsung provides formerly formerly processors and I think the solid-state memory comes from Samsung right I think so if i can remember correctly so it seems weird that you know with a partnership that you would want to see them that would be like you know if i was to see you which would be really stupid um okay oh yeah like if you're gonna see like one of your friends I mean yeah yeah yeah no it's a good point ya see what happens with that let's move on to more iphone stuff so we saw this video around 19th of April showing off what might be iOS 5 point and the the folders looked a little bit different but what was most striking is that when you double tap on the home button you're taken to a zoomed-out card like view that gives you a preview of the open applications I guess the question here is is this is this iOS 5 is this something Apple would do you know I think that's a jailbreak option I've heard that you can get that just by jailbreaking your device and then using Cydia to find that hmm that's disappointing yeah and uh yeah I think I was a good vietnamese video that came out of a white iphone with iOS 5 but uh the settings that iOS 5 so we'll have to see yeah we should find that if you can find that uh that said yeah I'll look let's see solo we'll see yeah but um I mean it's kind of a cool idea right now you DoubleTap and you see icons it would be probably a little bit more intuitive if you were to see a little live preview of what yeah the contents of the app it could be neat alrighty let this move on just a couple of more things to talk about here so we've been talking about how the iphone is probably not going to come out in time for its typical release cycle june july and reuters has come out to say that it's actually shipping in September Reuters is a very you know accurate source and so you can you can you can take that to mean what you will but it makes sense because there's also rumors that the ipad 3 is coming out as soon as September and they're doing this to align the release dates of their their products i mean the the new ipods always come out in in september-october in time for the holiday season and why not all of their products so they can you know stop doing this Jill this you know April for ipad and june july for the iphone um I guess there's not much else to say about that yeah other than people might not want to shell out thousands thousands of dollars in in one month when / months they could they could do that you know let's see what kind so the ipad comes out in april and then you can get an iphone in june and and you know an ipod in September if you wanted to for a friend or something destiny so yeah to have all of them come out at the same time I mean it makes sense on their part just because I don't believe that the iPhone 5 is going to come out in June just because we haven't seen anything and in the past we've always seen rumors unless they're just keeping everything so tight oh you know just so tight that they're not having any people have any of their prototype devices out there or anything like that so after what happened last year that yes probably i doing yep so uh you won't be finding an iphone 5 and a bar this year that was that was an epic situation in the tech community really was amazing can it you know it didn't even look like it was going to be the iphone 4 like you saw and you were like okay is this a mock-up because it was just so different from the previous builds of the of the device so yeah it was nice it was nice that it came out like that because the iphone 4 was was a pretty sweet device so yeah it is this it was and it is all right let's move on final thing we want to talk about today remember the Samsung Infuse 4G West which was announced I think at CES remember that phone yes it was a big phone I mean I'd like what like a four and a half inch screen and it was super amoled yeah so but it looks it looked like a really great phone to have so yeah yeah so as you said 4.5 inch screen which is the biggest the biggest I guess you could say the dell streak was the biggest at five inches but that was how it's just so big like I couldn't see people using that as a phone it would be like if you were to use a galaxy tab as a phone so that's a funny sight yeah I don't think anyone used to streak as a phobia of just a few people but the infuse 4g has that large super amoled the biggest super amoled screen in fact i think it's the super amoled plus okay well even better yeah this thing's going to be a monster 1.2 gigahertz it's basically the galaxy s2 but on a TNT with their non-existent hspa+ network plus a bigger screen yeah what's up with that y is 8 why did AT&T release devices when their network wasn't able to you know cover it so uh oh here we go I know I know that you've had a 4g device on ATT and have not yet seen any hspa+ network speed is that true yeah what about you over in Washington and you know I haven't used a 40 device on a teensy just just because I've heard that you know it's not available I mean it could be in the metropolis of Seattle but I don't think it's out here where i live i live in lake tapps so it's a little bit south of seattle i think it exists in a cave in arizona somewhere there's there's one tower that is underground almost if you crawl into this hole and it's hard to get in there because the size is kind of small so you have to maybe lose a few pounds before going this hole but once you get in there you get crazy HS b plus speeds on 18 d nice then you could just go over to verizon user LT yeah you could but at the same time these you know the atrix and the inspire and I think the infuse are very thin devices which makes them a little bit more compelling than say verizon where the thunderbolt and the the LG revolution and the upcoming droid stealth are pretty thick because they have the cdma modem plus the the LTE modem to separately two totally separate components whereas these AT&T phones have the you know the same sort of modem plus I'm not even sure if there's much more hardware needed beyond that probably not it's probably just the processor does everything they don't need a separate a separate chip like they do in the 4g devices on sprint and verizon there's got to be some modification because if it was just a matter of the you know existing internals though they would be able to flip on hspa+ for you know like the captivate for example but there's some hardware that's got to be involved but we are not we're not electrical engineers so well it doesn't it doesn't really make sense to even call hspa+ for DS but so so there you go I don't know Dan I don't know if I three I mean hspa+ in optimal conditions especially if you've got like a tmobile g2x can do wicked fast speeds I mean they could rival where LTE is today yes but the term of 4G is no fourth generation technology and they're only using like 3.5 g if you think about it cuz you know in Europe they have the hspa+ networks but they've had him for a while and it was just think just call it 3.5 so I don't yeah from a technical standpoint I agree I agree with you but as a consumer I pull out a thunderbolt I can get 10 megabits per second down if I pull out a g2x or another maybe the mytouch 4G I can get around there sometimes a little bit less sometimes a little bit more so to me I guess I'm fooling myself I really don't care what it's called it's getting these incredible fast speeds that does make perfect sense it shouldn't be what it's called it should be based upon the speed that you're getting and unfortunately we're not getting those beats from AT&T anymore there's only one podcast where we don't talk about this okay we could edit this part out if you want um actually today I ran a speedtest here we go again I ran a few tests on my on the inspire 4G I got a pretty good 3 megabits per second down which is about as fast as you can go around here with hsdpa and then I did the upload test and again it was like 600 and then I went into about network and I I always do this I check because it'll tell you if you're on the hspa+ network and I was on dpa so see maybe they maybe they do have hspa+ in my network because on my iPhone I get you know five mega bits per second speed so I don't know well you're on loading the iphone is in queda has has the hsupa unlocked unlike other devices so I think what you're experiencing is just a really fast hsdpa I mean the theoretical maximum is pretty more you practical maximum is what you're describing around four or five yeah so it's definitely not 4g I know that but yeah we'll see we'll see well that will conclude our podcast and it was really great having you I think we we had a lot of fun here and it's good to have you on thank you very much I appreciated it and it was a blast let me tell you very well I hope everyone enjoyed the podcast and we'll talk to you or see you or you'll hear us next week thanks for listening bye bye bye