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would all right are we recording yep very good very good all right hey everyone welcome to the 13th pocketnow podcast our podcast is officially getting bar Mitzvahed now that it said its 13th oh god I'm not waiting all day to say that I have yes and if I knew you guys when I was getting bar Mitzvahed I would have invited you so sorry you did not get an invite I'm Brandon minimun editor-in-chief of pocketnow.com also on the line is managing editor of pocket now Evan say hi Evan no last name for me hi guys yes no last name it's Evan blast and also on the line is Anton Dean Agee see what I do get a last name yes sir you do well hey guys everyone has to know who is here there might be some confusion as to which Evan Norwich tony is is on the call but perhaps not so yeah podcast 13 we're having a lot of fun with this and hopefully you guys are too we are keeping an eye on how many people are listening and we're we're happy to see that the numbers are increasing which means that people are 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white iphone which finally finally came out it's very funny because well first of all have you guys actually seen a white iphone yet nope only in pictures hmm well I am as at the king of prussia mall which is around here they have an apple store and they had white iphone set up and my fiance got really angry when I went inside because she knew what was going to happen and I was in there for like 10 minutes playing with the white iphone and I mean it's it's what you expect it's getting a lot of attention in fact there are there was kind of a line outside of the store people trying to buy it the issue with the iphone 4 white is that it's apparently a little tiny bit thicker than the black iphone and pictures are showing this very well unless these pictures are being fabricated but they have no idea why someone would do that then Phil Philip Schiller of Apple comes out and says it's not thicker don't believe all the junk that you read which is very confusing because it's not really things we're reading it's what we're seeing why do you guys think that the iphone 4 white is is thicker well there are two sides of the story here as with any story at least two sides first of all it's the color I've been a let's say fatter guy when I was young and people told me to wear always black because blacks makes you look thinner and whites makes you look better so first of all it's the color maybe it's an optical illusion number two the perspective and the angle these pictures are taken my one might argue that the white iphone is closer to the optics than the other one now if I measure the calipers they'll have it bad yeah that's where I'm getting they actually measured it and it's actually points 2 millimeter thicker now I've read an article recently that said that somebody had a white iphone which measured exactly like the black iphone and somebody had a black iphone which was actually thicker than the advertised so it might all depend on what batch you are using or owning and it might also depend on which part of the iphone you are measuring because i've also read that if you measure the top it will give you different results than the bottom so mixed thoughts here Wow inconsistent well I will say that if it is thicker it's probably because the then you need to put more layers of you know photo resistant material to keep the to keep the sensors from going wonky yeah and that probably why it was delayed in the first place because I had to figure out how to have a white coating and have the sensors don't work that and also I know that there's been some rethinking of the camera and of the proximity sensor which could have added that certain point two millimeters in thickness true and another consideration is that they wanted to make these changes to the proximity sensor into the camera and they really didn't have an opportunity to do so with the black iphone 4 they didn't want to change the manufacturing process but the manufacturing process for the white iphone was still up in the air for many many months and they said why don't we just roll these new changes into the white iphone 4 it might delay the release a little bit more but people already have the iphone 4 black and they should be happy do you guys think we are facing some fragmentation X accessory-wise I mean we have verizon iphone we have AT&T iphone we have black iphone we have white iphone so if somebody goes out to buy a case should they be attentive or careful for what kind of iphone they are buying the case for sure but I mean anyone who goes out and buys a case has to do that you know if you're an Android owner and you have a captivate you have to make sure you're not buying a vibrant or an epic case or whatever and and you know I think maybe that that iphone owners were privileged up and turn around that they didn't really have to pay too much attention but as the phone gets more popular you know they're going to have to do the same thing else does hmm and and you know point two millimeters is like two pieces of hair side by side so yeah a case might be a little bit tight but it's not really going to totally change the experience and you're not going to return a case that is made for one slightly thicker device absolutely it's negligible but why just why can't Apple just say okay guys really it's thicker so what's the big deal they are sending us to ophthalmologists for those points you in denying it's just crazy hey something exciting may have just happened got a email from AT&T public relations boo there's a samsung AT&T event May 5th in New York and I might actually go that that's funny am i smelling some galaxy s2 yeah is that what you guys think it is I would say yeah yeah definitely that was my guess um let me just make sure Steven is says this is real-time news as it happens folks behind the curtain yeah awesome well yeah I better get a train ticket anyway all right so yeah so galaxy s2 possibly coming to eighteen t which would be exciting we're going to talk about 80 later in the podcast you know what's coming up some more angry ranting from as usual but this time this time I have a really good reason I mean previously I was just you know it's all it's kind of stupid but alright so let's move on in the last podcast dan webster and i were talking about flip phones and how there are no smartphone flip phones except for a couple of blackberry devices and we we looked back to the HTC star trek to the motorola MPX 220 and that was really the last time we had a flip phone so we made a poll in pocket now to see what you guys think and question was would you buy smartphone flip phone 2answers yes i love that form factor or no i don't need to be wrapped reminded of razor 71 percent said I don't want to be reminded of the razor so I guess I rest my case it turns out people don't want a smartphone flip after all yeah well I think one thing is that it's going to make it thicker you know especially if you're only getting a keypad with with the flip instead of a full 40 you know it's not a good trade-off mmm so I mean I'd rather have like a galaxy s2 that's you know just a thin phone as opposed to something that flips and it's going to be twice as thick and the only thing I'm getting out of it is a qwerty keep em sorry a numeric keypad well I mean you would have you would have an on-screen keyboard and if it were weighted properly that would be pretty comfortable to use and if they if they maximize the screen space you could probably get a you know a 2.8 inch screen out of it and then you have as you say the numeric keypad which makes it feel very very phone like you know but what is a phone anymore you know a phone is what what you make of it to me a phone is that you know one of these uh these slates hmm exactly what you're saying Brian headset I good so I was saying exactly that you were saying a flip phone form factor will bring you a maximum of what to point something inches in diagonal for display and now as Evan said people usually are used to 3.5 inches plus and having a flip phone with a 3.5 inches plus display would give you in flipped mode or in flipped open mode a huge smartphone so I think people don't want small screens and that's why they don't want lick form form factors yeah I mean has the blackberry style really taken off I would say close mm-hmm which blackberry has taken off recently you know people still get the the bold the flagship the 9780 um I wouldn't say the torches been a huge success with a storm but the curve and the boulder I think are still pretty solid sellers yeah yeah oh well alright let us move on so the next thing we are talking about is adw.launcher to beta we posted a walkthrough video or Joe posted a walkthrough video and we're starting to see a really interesting trend with these next generation launchers of course there's a lot of launchers out there like ADW launcher pro I'm a big fan of launcher pro and what we're seeing is that when you tap and hold on an icon whether it's in the app tray or on the home screen you get things like edit application info market share this makes so much sense i mean in currently an android 2.3 if you tap on an icon it just opens you can't action on it so i really like this trend and i really hope that the next version of android sort of inherits this feature where you get a lot more information by just tapping and holding on any any icon you see now the thing is with these third-party launchers is again two-sided as anything with me its first of all it's about customization allows you to have whatever you want how many widgets and icons and screens you want it's just it just comes with the google experience on the downside i'm afraid that will reach a point where we will get lost in the details will we will see that the trend going from simplicity to something more complicated i want to launch something when I tap an icon I don't want to tap twice to learn something tap once for for a menu and then tap again for actioning on that menu so regardless if we're talking about launcher pro ADW launcher or HTC sense which i believe it's the ultimate user interface for Android it's all about customization and the good thing is that people can have whatever they want on their smartphones but with the downside that in time we'll get to a point where we will be lost in the details hmm well I think there are there's there's been getting lost in the details and adding features that truly make the experience better for example right now on android if you want to remove a program even if there's a nice big icon it's not big but whatever the dimensions are on your home screen you have to go to the settings to applications and whatever the other option is then you have to go to all applications you've got a tap on it you gotta click uninstall so why not you know remove that that that flow a little bit and just make it a lot easier to uninstall or manage apps from your home screen that was at I was thinking speaking of home screams I gotta say I'm still loving the LG clock widget oh yeah is it uh and thanks LG probably thank them for for taking their intellectual property and putting it on my motorola phone you're using it on the droid x uh-huh view guys remember on how many phones was the HTC Sense running or the sense clock because I remember we had it also on desktop computers to the sense clock on desk up yeah yeah I think we also boasted about this I think a year or so ago hmm i have to say especially when i see sense blown up on the HTC Flyer it's starting to look kind of dated you know what I mean that I don't think it translates well maybe it's just to the to the tablet form factor but it started to look a little bit cartoonish yeah i agree i mean it it was copied so many times and you know that it's time to move on when it's no longer really unique I mean LG has their version of the weather clock and all these third-party launchers have their version of the weather clock and now it's time to to get beyond that soon we'll have the chops on the salsa which will bring Facebook integration instead of whether to the clock which will be of course tremendously valuable just kidding well let us move on next thing we are talking about is the HTC double shot and i'm assuming that that name is sort of coffee in nature because they have somewhere along the line they each to see espresso right yeah you know it's interesting you bring that up because the the slide 3g the touch slide 3g was its code name was espresso so David from TmoNews his his his theory is that you know this one is supposed to be supposed to be you know have pep cores that are twice as fast 1.2 gigahertz versus 600 megahertz so that's why they're calling the double shot because it's you know both a double shot of espresso and it's twice as fast as the models replacing that would be hot and it's supposed to have a qwerty keyboard are we thinking sliding or candy bar um well it's got we know it has a 480 x 800 pixel screen so i would say it has to be sliding or you know something where where you give enough room for those pixels yeah and and perhaps perhaps this could be the keyboard version of the HTC Sensation right or the HDR are at the evo 3d if it has the dual sort of it it does have a lower resolution cha thinking L wvg and I mean it does seem like this is going to be the first 3d handset with with a physical keyboard which is kind of cool because you know there's still some people that don't want to give keyboards up and those people deserve through the image capture just like the rest of us can you guys imagine how thick this device would be I mean with the two cameras at the back I mean two lenses and the slide-out qwerty it can't be thicker than the touch pro 2 right I mean hmm who knows it's gonna you know if it has the probably have a large largest large-ish screen sent with large ish screen 4.3 inches perhaps yeah so yeah it's 3.7 isn't it I thought we had that spec too I don't see that are you looking at are you looking at the far post with the point where we looked through the wrong yeah I am Oh actually no I'm looking in a different post I was thinking always since english is not my native tongue i'm attempting to translate things literally and when i first heard about the double shot i had a discussion with evan and we've exchanged some thoughts and i was convinced that double shot comes from when you take a picture what you shoot a picture and double shot for double shooting for dual cameras for 3d and this was the whole idea in my head that's definitely a possibility and I stole your idea and one of my posts actually oh I started the same thing actually pretty minds think alike well so the double shot could be a really cool phone for tmobile it's got to be significantly different than the sensation 4g which of course coming to t-mobile in the summer sort of the device that I'm probably most looking forward to this year but this one could have a keyboard so they'll be fun for those that still fightin words Oh with these specs what would be the t-mobile price tag I guess I guess 199 is a maximum right see these LTE phones now at 250 and 300 which ones at 300 I thank isn't there something to 300 well I don't know guys but with the 3d with slide out qwerty with 1.2 gigahertz dual-core processor it might go beyond 199 hopefully not I think 249 is probably the limit unless there's some dramatic new technology in it and who knows maybe it could be you know the the which tmobile phone bumped up to the 14.4 megabits per second data speeds yeah the 3g Oh is the it was the LG g2x so maybe you know t-mobile says that they're going to be bumping their hspa+ speeds to like in the hundreds of megabits per second so maybe this device where if we're thinking that it's gonna be priced much higher could could bring in I don't know what's what's next after 14.4 it's they're already up to 2 21 and 42 but as far as I know Nina even if the device was capable of faster speeds t-mobile's not going past 42 for you know over 12 months so this could be a 42 phone you can be interesting on paper on paper right i mean even that they're they're just you know china try to get 21 turned on in different markets yeah somewhat of a lag there something we forgot to talk about which was on the agenda for today was the HP veer palm of webos device picture for AT&T in white and it's actually kind of kind of cute you know the little little beer mmm that is that is due out relatively soon it's almost like it's like you could use it as a second smartphone one you know like a lot of people used to get you have your your regular phone for the week and then for the weekends you want something smaller than shorts or whatever and you know so you would get a small feature phone but but maybe now you don't need to get that feature phone you can just buy the beer and you know switch your SIM cards oh yeah I'm since it's that small I like it because it's that cute and no offense to anyone I'm looking at it as a girl phone and instead of going with anyone except half the population I don't know really so it's it's an honest thought it's a very cute phone I wouldn't use it because I'm a more bigger screen bigger device guy but maybe they would have gone maybe they could have gone with some more vivid colors I don't know some some pink blue green red you name it but you don't know that this is just the one the one image there there may be other Hughes that you know we didn't see yet which was I think it was the Motorola flip-out which came with the different colored back panels which battery covers which you get the you could switch out according to your mood maybe they could do this with the viewer to that'll be nice that would be cool or or you know could come in black and white orchid come in blue and pink and red web Louis just doesn't really do it for me right now I know that there's a new version of the operating system coming out but it's not going to be dramatically different it's just it just seems lacking comparatively to Android and two windows phone 7 into iOS even so let's see let's see how you feel after you play with the pre 3 for a little while well I mean it's going to feel like the pre too but a little faster higher resolution screen and then a slightly advanced version of the operating system so it's quite quite a bit faster I'm from what we're we're being told hmm hopefully it impresses good well let us move on so an android gingerbread 2.3 point for yes that is two three four I'm just kind of funny is going to bring sort of video chat and there's already some leaked roms out there you can install it I believe the video chat has been extracted so you can install it onto your non two point three point four device and what it is is basically google talk with chat capability it's not native video chat yet you know facetime like video chat it's basically a built-in app that can hook up with the with the video chat that you can do on a desktop so it's not the most interesting headline ever the people seem to be pretty excited about it it's basically it's safe to assume that this google talk with video would be something like Skype because it's it allows you to video chat between clients so it's not a normal call as you would call a phone number and yeah we demonstrated skype to skype calls from pc or smartphone and i think google is trying to catch up with the google talk with video because skype will be out there on verizon I don't when but it will definitely be out there and they need to do something and putting this inside a stock version of the platform might be a good idea because nobody wants to install applications if it's not necessary to I won't install skype just to have a voice chat with somebody if my gingerbread 2.3 point for smartphone has it natively so it might be a smart move from google good because if you want to do the podcast i'm sorry the pocket cast on the go you would need to be able to skype from your phone yeah is it if only the world could unite around face time which is has not been sort of released as an open standard despite the promise of apple i think that i think this would be a lot easier and we would stop seeing so many competing video chat clients i mean because that's one of the problems you've got quick and skype and google talk and maybe four or five different ways to video chat on on on android i could even leave live with that because as it's the case with instant messaging applications they are inter compatible you can use yahoo to chat with somebody on windows live and if they could somehow make it that skype could chat to FaceTime users and to google talk then it wouldn't matter which application you are using that would be cool some sort of all in one program and and most of these chat clients have some sort of open standard yahoo does and aim does google so if you're talking about purely the you know the voice over IP capabilities you would think that people should be gathering around skype i mean you know that that software certainly has the most experience and in both you know voice and an nvidia as opposed to FaceTime which is you know just sort of one division of apple yeah facetime reminds me of a party time everything reminds you a party time oh it's always party time yeah anyhow let us move on the Droid Bionic is not going to be out for a while due to potentially 4G LTE performance issues and then there's also the matter of another similar maybe better device coming out the targa which we've seen pictures of and looks awesome and so maybe to release the droid bionic right now and then three Lyris the targa in the near future would make the droid bionic look really bad so maybe the droid bionic could make a good mid-range phone come this summer Evan what is your take on on the droid bionic delay I think I'm it's still going to be a hot phone in a month or two I mean it at this point and correct me if I'm wrong I don't think we have any any dual-core handsets that are that are that are truly 4G meeting LTE or wimax that right yeah you're you're right about that the Thunderbolt single core and the stealth is going to be single core and the LG what is it called the revolution will be singapore right and then if you go over to sprint on the wimax I'd you know you still only have a you know a handful of evos and those were single core so and g2 which is you know which is also single core so so and that's on t-mobile but dumb yeah I think I think the droid bionic would still be a you know an attractive phone even you know a couple months down the line I mean if you're looking on Verizon there's still no qhd hints that as the case of quite a few carriers at this point so yeah I think you know the the resolution plus the the processor speed unit you've got a real winner there it's amazing that this was first announced at CES and we're talking about six six month lag exactly what I wanted to say and I'm going to go a little bit off topic here first of all because I want to make a short introduction and second because I don't want to neglect windows phone 7 i've been watching in an interview with the stephen elop one of these days and he said that the nokia is trying to reduce the time between announcing the smartphone and actually launching it and this is something we've been talking about I think two or three or four podcasts ago and yeah and and in this in these circumstances what Motorola did with the droid bionic is from my point of view unacceptable I mean we saw the smartphone at the CES in January and now five months later motorola comes and says okay forget everything you've seen you've heard and you sensed regarding the droid bionic it's still gonna launch but it's going to be you know another smartphone with some other case and some other internals so I don't think it's a smart move to show up one device and five months later to not cancel it but you completely rethink it and expect everybody to go with this idea hmm yeah that's a that's a good point I mean it's very easy for enthusiasm to weighing when that when the delay is more than two or three months between announcement and release I just thought of something guys regarding this AT&T Samsung event that we were talking about a few minutes ago do you really think they're going to announce a galaxy s2 version on ATT when they've got the infused coming out soon which is slowly it's a single core phone right but it's yeah but I mean still it doesn't have the you know the cachet of the galaxy s name that's a that's a huge seller for for both Samsung and AT&T and no I I can't see I can't see any scenario in which it's not going to hit all four carriers there seems so similar though and let's not forget that one one month ago we ran a story with the some trademarks we found for you for some Samsung devices and we best ourselves whether Samsung trademark the u.s. galaxy-eyes bryant's or not and the names were the galaxy attain the galaxy function and the galaxy within and at that time you remember evan right yeah at that time we we started speculating on which one go to which carrier and I think if this is about the galaxy s2 we'll find out in a couple of days very interesting very interesting I wish they'd give us more notice for those that have to buy train tickets how do you have the invitation was it emailed to you Brianna yeah yeah for that to me please yeah if I don't go Adam will go he's a lot closer than I am see okay or I can no no problem yes you can take up a cloud our flight dental Landon ear okay and we've got one more thing to talk about it's going to be a slightly shorter podcast than usual and we're also going to take Twitter questions in a moment so guess who released the update for hsupa on the Atrix 4G and the inspire 4G couldn't tell what ya dead giveaway AT&T these devices shipped without hsupa capabilities so they're uploads were were really limited to very low speeds like 200 kilobits per second I'm actually going to while i'm talking run another test so we ran the test before and after the difference was before the test we got around 1.1 megabits per second down in 300 kilobits per second up after we applied the update we got using a different application we got download speeds of 3 megabits per second which doesn't really make sense because it's a it's an upload update and uploads of about 1 megabits per second so a multiplication of three for the uploads so so why do we use a different program to benchmark I'm just for reference and perhaps that led to inconsistent results i'm running the test on speedtest.net right now and i'm getting about one megabit per second down I've got full bars by the way and here we go with the upload speed I am getting ok what's climbing pretty nice about 900 we're going to one megabit per second so point is here that this update did in fact significantly increase the upload speeds by a magnitude of about three which is great the phone still doesn't get on the hspa+ network or at least we still haven't found it but hey this is better than nothing that your HS your inspire 4G your atrix 4g can be a little bit faster now with this update so make sure you're over Wi-Fi you can download it over the air and it's quick and easy back up your phone even though I would never back up my phone before applying an update like this why not I don't want to take the time I think the chances of something going wrong are very small and I I'm impatient and I just want to put the update through is this major units so you're going from phone to phone pretty quick you know you're not you haven't had a phone for months and months where you've collected all this stuff on well I still like to sit you know set things up so that they're you know sort of customized but but yeah I guess you're right it's not as big of a pain but I think that have you guys ever run an update over the air and had the device sort of have problems oh no I don't care about contacts and email because I got my exchange it's not a problem of setting it up and getting everything in five minutes it's about the applications and customizations which I'm making and I wanted to ask you is this update a radio rom update or it's something just which tweaks the existing operating system without actually flashing anything I really don't know what it is sure has to be with the radio right should it should have yeah and this is where I'm getting if somewhere along the way I don't know you're losing power you you drop connection from USB to the the smartphone if you're applying via the computer or if your smartphone I don't know loses power it could happen that you might lose everything on your phone that's besides breaking your phone or getting it difficult sleee in the state which in which it was so it's safe to have a backup at least of your important stuff oh don't be like Brandon I think that's the message here yeah very good all right well let's move on to some Twitter questions to wrap things up so Kimberly ribba duel I really hate it she says what free iPhone just follow the link here and it's so funny because on twitter if you mention us there are these like Twitter bot swear if you mention the word i phone you get spammed so does yeah don't say iphone on Twitter say like iphone without the e iPhone or I fo any I don't know Paris Felicia asks why our blackberries even considered as smartphones laugh-out-loud wink smiley face well that's actually a good question because what do we qualify as a smartphone what is our criterion for that a portable computer that you know has an operating system that you can run applications on fair absolutely but I mean Oh first when I thought of the thing of the concept of smartphone I really thought about blackberry because for me a smartphone is a device which allows me to grab my email on the go surf the internet use GPS social networking and so on and with library system being so well in place and so secure it was actually my thought when thinking first of the concept smartphone right yeah it's a it's a it can be a somewhat subjective definition yeah we try to keep it objective in saying that you know an operating system that can have apps and can browse the web so you know that's why we try to limit it to blackberry iphone android windows phone webos next question is from the dead CPU why is Samsung so much more expensive than HTC newly released Samsung devices are over a hundred dollars more expensive and launched than HTC over here I don't know where over here is but that's a good question is is that even true that that on launch samsung devices are more expensive than HTC oh yeah but swype contract yeah off-contract unlocked I think he's talking about mm-hmm why is toshiba more expensive than a sir why is a BMW more expensive than the volkswagen i mean it's its first of all you have to pay the price for the components and if you take all the production aside there's also the price which you have to pay for the brand and the regardless if you're talking about samsung or apple because Apple has a large part of the price for the apple logo on the product it's just what a brand means and I think you have to pay the bride-price for it it's not to say that Samsung has a more valuable brand an HTC or at least it's trying to look that way that's true I mean Samsung might be trying to shape perceptions through their pricing which is not uncommon I mean that didn't used to be the case as I recall you know the HTC phones like the the Titan to which is the tilt and the Kaiser day I'm there they were always the most expensive unlocked phones on the market around eight hundred dollars and as I recall you know like the the Omnius of the day weren't weren't quite as expensive it was more than like the the six and seven hundred dollar range yeah I mean it sounds like Samsung's trying to position themselves as the premium smartphone brand and if you look at look at the device like the galaxy s2 I mean the demand for that is unbelievable and there haven't been many if any carrier announcements so the only way you can go with that phone is to buy it unlocked for like a thousand bucks or 800 or 900 dollars and they know that and they know people are going to buy it at that price it's not going to stay that high for a while but you know at least at launch let's get the galaxy s2 is a good example is going to be very expensive yeah those screens are probably not that cheap relatively than the new the super amoled plus well that's going to be nice um to do all right great let's move on to a couple of other questions this call recording work on a galaxy s2 we don't know that we should be getting a galaxy s2 and this week for review so we'll have that ants a lot more um see what else we got here due to do from slum dinger and it's funny is the tmobile g2x oh good enough good enough to switch to I don't really inition the question do you want you to X good enough to switch to to go out with a bang before the inevitable merger well I don't think that the merger is going to make your g2x whether you buy it now or later useless I mean it's still going to work just as well as it does today we really don't know if the merger is going to happen if it will be approved and we don't also know what that what that means in terms of product lines whether the g series will continue or whether all android phones between AT&T Mobile will be considered part of the g series it's kind of too too early to tell I have a feeling that you know t-mobile as a brand just like it's singular as a brand or I'm sorry 18 key as a brand when when singular and 18t merged it's it's going to go away probably and 18 key will just end up carrying more of a variety of phones but they they probably won't be branded under that the older t-mobile brands I i agree with you and I think that's sort of unfortunate you know AT&T is a you know more than just a mobile phone provider they are a telecommunications company that provides phone service and even TV and they're not going to they're not going to kill the 18t wireless brand it's going to be around t-mobile is going to be the one if they choose to do it to go away yeah AT&T the brand died and it was resurrected yeah if you ever try to look at a flowchart of 18t since you know like the seventies when and with them when it was broken up it's just it's crazy how how different companies are you know recursive and 18t was then bought by one of the companies that that broke off from it and it's just nuts yeah let's see moving on Dean is e74 said when will windows phone seven support dual-core processors animal verizon ever get mom this is a continue button and will verizon ever get windows 17 or are they deliberately not supporting it because they are not interested so on and so forth well the Verizon Verizon is getting the trophy we know that and getting it very soon regarding the dual-core processors on windows phone 7 microsoft hasn't made any announcements that it will provide dual core support but i guess that when news 17 is one of the operating systems that would very much benefit from multiple cores it it's got a very fluid probably cpu intensive up you know interface and so i think i think dole course would help it a lot I disagree and here is a point in which me and Brendan continue to disagree because windows phone 7 has a very minimalistic let's say user interface the Metro UI is is not a CPU or GPU eating you I and the the applications the games which are on Windows Phone 7 in its current shape are taking very great or are taking good advantage of the graphic acceleration on windows phone 7 so i'm not sure that there is a certain need for dual-core processors on Windows Phone 7 s because if you are using a windows phone 7 you can see that after at least after the node 0 update almost everything is is instant now I'm I'm using an LG Optimus 7 which has nand memory but I'm guessing that any other windows 47 with the microSD memory as an extension memory is acting at least let's say one or two seconds the same and it's quite fast and you don't have any lag when you play games so I just wanted to say that this is where something where me and Brandon are disagreeing well don't you think just for the sake of marketing even if they don't need those dual-core processors that they're going to need to to put them in if windows phone 7 wants to stay competitive in a hardware capacity partly true but partly not because from the way I see things they brought on nokia just to bring some even cheaper windows phone 7 smartphones and this is where they want to gain market by delivering good quality cheaper smartphones and going dual-core will raise the price tag on these yeah but at some point I mean you're gonna be having these you know companies like Samsung and Apple with quad-core smartphones and then you know how how attractive is a single core windows what I'm gonna look I mean yes if it's $39 it's going to be pretty darn attractive and it's not like you will board iOS 5 or 6 to windows phone seven if your proprietary operating system doesn't require higher end process here in Cyprus that is just going to sacrifice the higher middle end and just make oh no I'm sure I'm sure they will go do all course somewhere in time I just don't think that there's a demand or a need in the upcoming couple of months maybe a year I don't know what mango will bring and what will be after mango but the way things are right now I don't see a demand for the world course have you guys ever had Greek yogurt don't think so when I was in Greece but does it make it a Greek yogurt they am up topic you said nango I'm obsessed with this Greek yogurt it's made by am I think a fee nose or no some other company but it's it's so good and yesterday they had a mango fruit on the bottom it's just delicious anyway Tony what time are we at let's see if we can take more questions that's 2 45 minutes port on it I just maybe one or two this is a question I don't really understand maybe Tony you know he's talking about its chaz 13 ends and can someone start a petition to get a password timer on windows phone 7 entering it every five seconds is a pain in the arse well i haven't used the best word lock on the windows phone 7 but I think I know what he's referring to and at the moment there is no native way and I don't even know if there's a homebrew way to do it my best and the broo greatest brightest thought is that you have to live with it if you want to best for protect your phone at the moment in other words suck it up yeah see well I think that will conclude the 13th Bar Mitzvah edition of the pocket now podcast thank you for for attending and we'll talk to you next week leave some comments on the podcast let us know how you like what we're doing and whether you think we should go in a 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