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I think about something funny to say to start the song any ideas no it's never funny when you plan it you know what I mean it comes across as scripted what if I start with some beatbox beatboxing punch that would be funny for it for a lot of people so I would set that could definitely work maybe we can we can win some more listeners from the other side not the windows and the Android and the iOS side but the music part that's a good point let's just let's just jump right in everyone welcome to episode 15 is that is that right around 50 now mmhmm yeah 15 of the pocket now podcast I will be your host Brandon minimun editor-in-chief of pocketnow.com I think it's the pocket cast isn't it not the podcast well I I think that it should be just the podcast I don't think anyone knows what a pocket cast is so you know podcasts like that was our thing that doesn't differentiated us from the rest of those those other podcasts out there I agree with eben all right guys are ganging up against me will introduce yourselves and we'll get started here uncomfortable silence I'm Evan blast hi guys and this is an zombie nod hello everybody we decided in this episode to have everyone introduce themselves so that I didn't have to say any weird comments and make people feel uncomfortable so uh so so we did it that way and I think next time we'll go back to the way it was did I pronounce my name right did you pronounce your name right yeah so so tony is a last name that's difficult to say because it has a character that we don't have in English and I've been practicing in and Evan tried it too and we couldn't get it right but Tony have you had so your last name again it's much yes and it sounds like he's just saying Nagy ears or something like that but it's something more like that it's more complex than that there's a very subtle sound that you have to have to get right let's get best this moon all right let's get past this all right so let's get started a lot to talk about we've got the windows from seven event tomorrow and it's kind of strange because most people will listen after tomorrow today's Monday tomorrow's Tuesday so you'll be able to tell whether our predictions were we're on or if they were totally off probably by the time you listen to this we'll be in New York adam lane and i will be there recording videos taking pictures of whatever microsoft has to offer the idea the word on the street is that they're going to be talking obviously about Windows Phone 7.5 mango we know about the things that are big about ie9 fast app switching and then there are a ton of other things in fact Steve Ballmer came out and said over 500 things that are new with Windows Phone 7.5 or they'll probably just he'll probably call it 7.5 instead of mango some other news that sort of didn't shock us what surprised us a little bit was that there was going to be new hardware talked about yeah what's that all about I haven't even had a chance to look at that story yeah so so so bombers or the rumor actually the wmpoweruser was that there were going to be nine new devices talked about or even shown it would be more interesting and my hunch is that these devices will obviously be running mango but they'll also represent the next chassis of Windows Phone 7 going towards the higher with dual-core processors more RAM allowed maybe a more robust dedicated GPU maybe even higher screen resolutions I mean how awesome would it be for Microsoft to one-up Apple beyond the 960 x 640 display and do something that's even more incredible than that and Windows Phone 7 would look awesome with a higher resolution screen it's a very graphic intense you I what do you guys think it's going to happen tomorrow well I'm not sure windows 17 supports a higher resolution than wvga which have we have right now but I am highly excited about this rumor of new devices and from what I've heard is that Samsung is trying to somehow make a windows phone 7.5 variety of the samsung galaxy s2 and I'm excited not not because of the CPU and the huge rambut of the super amoled plus screen could you guys imagine that on windows phone 7 when you have all those blacks behind the tiles it would look fantastic that's a good point I mean windows phone 7 makes especially good use of AMOLED displays which are best suited when there is a lot of black on the screen so having a super amoled plus from the galaxy s2 that would make it just the tiles like pop off the page I think I'm sorry go go on go on even I think you definitely need some I mean 7 devices where what would you say nine devices in tomorrow 99 yeah that sounds like a lot to me baby I mean you definitely need some hardware tomorrow because for for the mainstream press you know an iteration you know a point five iteration that doesn't make a great headline for you know the average readers you know in USA Today or or the new york times but it's better it's better to have that you know microsoft announces new devices running on you know upgraded OS that's yeah yeah absolutely i mean it's much more tangible it'll be much more impactful in terms of the press response if there is divisive if their devices to take pictures up in to get hands-on time with another interesting thing about the event tomorrow is that it starts at ten a.m. and the windows phone seven launch event in october started in the evening as i remember one hundred percent sure on that and i don't think so i think it was a day event as i recall okay so as you were there so maybe you were just drunk and there's plenty of you know free free drinks to go around courtesy of microsoft but yeah I curious as to whether that was an all day event I rank it Brendon I think it makes sense to be at ten a.m. in the morning because from what we've heard there will be a simultaneous event in london and in poland enforce show so i think thats an am translates to 5pm or something similar in in europe that would make sense what's also interesting is that there's no in the invitation that we got for the event tomorrow there's no specifics on timing it's just you know VIP preview event for windows phone 7 there's no keynote mentioned or anything like that I just dealing with life to be invited getting back just for force a half of the second for these nine rumored devices i think this number nine makes a lot of sense because if you remember back in October when Windows Phone was launched Steve Ballmer came out with nine devices and they are emphasizing that windows phone 7.5 is not going to be so much of an update to an existing Windows Phone but they are trying to present it as a whole new concept maybe not in a whole new platform but a whole new approach to Windows Phone 7 so it's gonna be definitely a launch event and these nine devices make sense my question is where do you put those or that nokia windows phone 7 which hopefully will come out this year do you think that that the event tomorrow might a shed some light on on the nokia device i mean at least a reference to that yes but i don't think there will be any announcements or any device is shown because Stephen Elop said that one of the main ideas and policies he's trying to implement with Nokia is to reuse the time between the announcement and the effective availability date of a smartphone really good luck with that I think they'll do manage to do that oh I mean they'll do it but that that's how stuff gets leaked you know that I think the smartest companies are ones who announced the hardware far in advance you know so far in advance that that that really there aren't enough prototypes out there or any renders out there to really get leaked out doesn't that kill the momentum over time I don't know I asked gasps Steve Jobs in the and the iphone I mean the first up first iphone was was introduced months and months ahead of time you know it seemed like an eternity between the announcement and you know what it they just filled up you know all the the papers in the magazines and obviously online was just filled with with iphone speculation all the minutiae you know every little thing was analyzed it this is an interesting topic the time between announcing a device or or technology even and when it's released I was reading an article today about Dell and sort of Dell's failure to bring to market a very innovative product and I was I thought back to that really thin crazy laptop that they released i think is the adamo XPS is that right adana yeah and that thing was announced or at least leaked a long long time before it was actually released and then by the time it was released there were already laptops on the market that were extremely thin but what happens is that this lag time has to be short enough to wear a competitor can't get in there and eat you to market I mean in the case of the iphone every iphone release is so far ahead of work the current market is that apple's confident that a company's not going to release a phone with a 960 x 640 display before the iphone 4 it's released for example and I feel like apples also shorten that time itself you know it you've never had to wait you know months and months like like with the first iphone it's only been a couple months at most yeah i mean i think i think that's on purpose because of this reason that people are starting to anticipate where Apple is going to go next you know if they release the eye if they talk about the ipad 3 which is going to have a you know ridiculously high resolution screen that's a very predictable move and so it's very possible that samsung and other companies are already retooling to to come out with a counter to that product and if there's a big enough time window no release it before the ipad 3 comes out so you know as you say a van apples anticipating this and they're they're closing their windows between when they announce the product and when they release it sometimes making it as short as you know a month or two right but that that's really when you risk getting into you know having your stuff leaked out and having the the surprise gone that's true no you Apple especially is really a big on you know controlling the message and the timeline and when everything gets out so when when you disrupt that you know that that's a huge blow to their marketing strategy well apples always been a special case but let's try to make an analogy with the Thunderbolt now now that one hasn't been announced officially but we had lots lots of leaks and the rumors about the announcement date and the more time between those rumors and the actual announcement I think the momentum got killed and I think sprint is heading towards the same thing with the evo 3d I mean we had the announcement and we still don't have any details a super when that device will be ready I think there's a there's a lot of people anticipating it because it's a new technology yeah I mean and it really represents you know HTC's return to to you know the top of the heap in terms of technology for a while they sort of falling back there you know lower screen resolution than the motorola less processing power than LG so I don't think HTC and sprint gave other manufacturers enough time to come up with a Q HD 3d display I mean only a couple companies are doing 3d right now and they're sticking to WB GA and that HTC's pumping that the qhd is just so it's kind of another ball game yeah so Brendan should we enumerate all the 500 the features which will be announced tomorrow or believe that until tomorrow for boomer better uh well I hope I hope tomorrow they don't enumerate all 500 features that might get a little boring hopefully to stick to the major ones and let the other you know 475 be AP a surprise or one of those you know you booth I think one of the one of the interesting things about these these updates is that you get this ant new versions of Android and other other you give this a new versions of HTC Sense it's kind of a nice little discovery find something new and something you might not have heard about I mean HTC does this all the time they have got so many little features in their new phones in the version of sense you know something as simple as turning your phone over to silence the ringer they generally advertise that and yet you can discover it through the settings and you're like oh wow is little bonus anyhow let's uh let's move on speaking of Microsoft there were rumors of Microsoft potentially buying Nokia's multiple unit which would be a pretty remarkable thing in the industry Jimmy even huger than then nokia you know going with Windows Phone 7 what do you think Microsoft would do with Nokia and they were to buy it or than the mobile edition oh there's so many jokes you can make their manager but but realistically I think it wouldn't be a bad synergy they I think they would obviously be looking for that vertical integration that that Apple has with you know the iPhone and iOS and and it would it would really be who them to to be able to control the the hardware and the software experience but um this is something that we haven't really seen before which is on which is sort of on I'm you know a synergy of the two two types of of strategies with cheese or vertical integration or licensing yeah we yeah we spoke about this last week and it's interesting that we spoke about his last week and then this news breaks of Microsoft you know potentially the but this is totally room in its most likely not going to happen at this point I don't know elder mertes and he said they're they're in talks I mean if he says it you know he's he's he's got he's got tentacles pretty deep into these companies who sent her nokia are you saying that he's some kind of fish he's got tentacles possibly I've only seen one picture of a minute and it was only from the waist up so don't know is a squid and fish by the way I don't think so what would that be called any rating biologists tomorrow's towing you know what no anyway well Tony what do you think the implications of Microsoft buying up Nokia's new mobile division would be well I have two observations here the first one is the following if and if Microsoft would purchase Nokia's mobile division that would mean Microsoft will be a hardware manufacturer they would produce windows phones just like they produce zooms having a unit to produce your phones would indirectly give you a competitive edge compared to the other OEMs it's normal that you would try to push and the focus more on your own division than other OEM so I don't know how would the the other Samsung LG dell acer respond to this this is number one and number two I've read a very interesting comment on our post and the commenter I'm sorry I don't recall your name but I will look it up he said why would you purchase or why would you buy the cow when you can milk it for free haha and you can think about this I mean microsoft has OEMs nokia will be from this point of view just another OEM and they still have controlled via their hardware requirements would it make sense in this in this whole image for microsoft buy Nokia's mobile unit they have complete control over what hardware is manufactured and what hardware is running Windows Phone right but they don't have necessarily control over what goes on inside nokia internally in terms of release schedules and absolutely i'm pushing out updates whenever you have another organization get involved it's going to be more red tape and more bureaucracy so theoretically if you can get everything you know all under one roof um you know like brandon always wants me to come into the office because you know you get more done in person and and i think apple has has shown that you know with their you know their they've just done a really good job and this has been true going back to to the original Macintosh and the you know the Apple computers where you know having everything together making the hardware and the software you're able to to do things that that that you can't do with the licensing arrangement I agree but the Microsoft acquiring Nokia's mobile unit and transforming it to its own mobile unit I think would alienate alienate am i spelling that's right lien 8 yeah the other OEMs which wouldn't it's not the worst part the worst part is that I don't think Microsoft would even care with Nokia on board I mean it's the number one full manufacturer today well okay let's well let's pull in some stats here then we were gonna discuss this later but but maybe we could bring this in now how how you know it doesn't seem like Windows Phone is doing all that great what did what was the number one point six million of all the different models yeah they yeah q1 and now is that sold to consumers or sold to retailers I think it was consumers reported by Gartner yeah okay so I mean that you know I don't know how that compares against the the other platforms it doesn't seem like a lie well it compares like this android is activating 400,000 today so a q1 for Microsoft equals four days of google android okay so i mean it would almost seem like Microsoft could could you know retool and let and let these uh whoever wants to leave Leave it's like you know Samsung you only want to make android phones you know we don't we don't really need you making windows phone 7 you know we make our own and and they're a lot better interesting very interesting well let us move on and we'll see what happens with microsoft and nokia nokia nokia why don't you put the I a together nokia anyway so news that AT&T is going to enable sideloading for three of their android phones inspire 4g the area and the captivate you know it's really frustrating an ATT phone at times because if you download an app from wherever XD developers or other other forums out there and they're not the apps not available in the marketplace you can't do it because your phone cant sideload apps it's well you can jailbreak and and do it right of course you can jailbreak you can you can I mean that's the only way really to sideload apps on 20 AT&T phone but most people don't want to jailbreak or or root is the term is for Android so this is good news that AT&T is going to stop implementing this policy but why did they do it in the first place why they stopped sideloading I think because of security reasons it's well known that with or without malware the idea that applications on the official google android market are somehow approved or somehow official now yeah I I brought them all we're here because we've seen malware in the google android market but the general idea is that if you purchase an application from an unknown source from outside of the google android market let it be another third-party market or the APK from XDA developers it's not going to be safe and I think that would impact somehow or at least AT&T thought that it would impact on your security and maybe who knows on their network security and then they learn that stuff inside the market wasn't safe either yeah absolutely I mean it's true you know you the android market is much more of a wild west than the app store it's a lot easier to push up malware right but now talking about malware I'm talking about the rooted devices this is a little bit off topic we had a news story this weekend that you know the movie rental service google started in the android market well it's it turns out it's not supporting rooted devices so another security hug for a so called open platform right but i think that's only temporary i'm sure it'll be a solution that will i hope so that will you know check the the servers into thinking that the device is not rooted yeah but officially they don't support that ah well you know it's funny because all the other carriers and have some floating nav um my theory is that yeah it has to do it security but it also has to do with um people messing up their phones and calling into AT&T customer service which of course costs 80 money ought to have to feel those calls and it's just reducing one layer of complexity on devices that are pretty complex and compared to the feature phones with a self well I think I mean the only reason they're turning it on now is for the amazon appstore right yeah that seems to be one of the reasons but of course that'll allow people to install a host of other apps to their right but it seems like you know maybe eighteen t hasn't changed heart as much as you know this is something that that they got pushed into unfortunately they can't they can't prevent certain apps for being sign loaded so it's just you know it's either All or not even if you take Google Android unrooted it it will not allow you stock to to install unknown application you have to go deep inside settings application and then check that I think it's called unknown sources for you to be able to install downloaded apks from outside the marketplace so it's it's a protection which you can disable of course but I think AT&T went to the next level with this yes in the very good let us move on next thing we are talking about is the HTC holiday and the lead or is it the web I think it's a lead HTC lead and HTC holiday we talked about this kind of gave a hint of it tipped as a tease 4G LTE launch devices which would be very significant you know both are quite impressive devices that the holiday is the one that we're sort of drooling over with the 4.5 inch qhd display with dual core processor is a gig of ram and simultaneously in terms of 18 tlte 18t demonstrated real world 28 megabits per second down for their LTE network so to answer the question what can 18t do to make their network better than verizon's even though they're launching it a year or more after is make it faster and of course verizon's network is capable of much much faster speeds than you see today it's very possible they could you know turn up the knob by the time 18 so that all it takes they have a knob and they just keep it turned down to started to toy with us yeah they've got this red zone and uh you know the marketing director says turn it up to red 18 cheese going faster and then the engineer says we're giving her all she's got she's gonna blow and then the marketing guy says I don't care and the hamsters are running on that circle on that whatever they got they're running on they inject the hamsters with some steroids to increase their performance on the treadmill which turns up yo te our general um but yeah so this this holiday season could be the could be the time when we see these high-end HTC phones running on AT&T LTE maybe even sooner because I don't know I don't remember where i read some rumors that AT&T might turn the LTE switch summer in June yeah I thought our they were the first device those were supposed to come the summer mm-hmm better he then bet that and getting just for a second back to those beads as we mentioned in our post those speeds are let's say lab tested when millions and millions of people will try to download and upload on the LTE network world at 28 megabits per second still be 20 megabits per second or would have dropped you 3g or 4g it'll actually get faster that's what a tease special sauce is the more people that are on it somehow increases the capacity is that it go do they know that yeah it's obvious oh come on now I'm gullible that the thing that I think LTE has better what's the word resistance to it obviously as higher capacity by design but you know everyone saying that Verizon's 4G network right now is blazing fast new 20 megabits per second down on laptop card like 12 to 15 on a phone people are saying that that will soon to great as people get on the network well I've got a thunderbolt right here and granted you know not many people in the surrounding area probably unhealthy e but probably more than when the Thunderbolt came out a few months ago and the speeds are still rocket fest so hopefully these theoretical maximum turn out to be very close to to real-world expectations unlike 3g where you know performance degrades tremendously when you get a lot of people on a network especially when you're on AT&T in New York City Las Vegas or San Francisco mm-hmm how much is on with verizon how much does 4g cost you know how much it costs some extra per month Oh over and above what a 3g contract would I think they've got an extra I think it's you know only ten bucks or so kind of like sprint does with their premium data fee or whatever but everyone has to pay the premium data fee now you know even if you don't have a wimax device really yeah yeah so so it's the smartphone feet yeah smartphone fee it should be the same on verizon I mean I love how Tony knows what's going on in America better than us Americans do you know right that is kind of funny um all right very good but this move on what is next on the agenda HTC breast song that sounds very French or maybe I'm just making it sound French oh you're right yeah he was a French photographer oh don't you read all my posts Brennan I Reno 99% of them uh yeah but this is this is good sort of validation we we were talking about this HTC breasts on a while ago and then you've been you've been following this uh most closely you want to yeah I mean it's uh you know we we were tipped to a video a commercial for this phone which which probably is not going to look like um the one that's in the in the ad that that was posted but done it's pretty clear that they're they're coming out with 16 megapixels and it's coming to t-mobile we learned thanks to the this is my next site yeah so I think the big question on everyone's mind is how are the optics can be you know because you know you can have as big a sensor as possible if you have a little you know in the whole plastic lens then it's not going to look great so you know what are they and I have a feeling that day they are going to do something good here it you know that that's going to be the main selling point of this phone and it sounds like it's going to be you know a sort of a flagship device on t-mobile and for for windows phone 7 as well I don't know if this is a phone that has the fantastic imaging capability in addition to dual core processor big bright screen I think would be great but it would be kind of disappointed if the only sort of selling point of this was the crazily high resolution camera and then they left all the other specs to attention to be like last generation that's true I think at this point we just don't know yeah so so that is very exciting in and also correct me if I'm wrong but Windows Phone 7 shouldn't be able to support sensors that high so this could be part of the next work you know round of requirements for chassis three yeah I don't think there's any doubt that it would be a mango device make me money maybe we'll see you tomorrow that would be awesome I'm not an HTC hater but ok I am yours a hater I am but only from the imaging point of view because I'm really not excited about this device i've been using HTC smartphones since the HTC p 3600 the trinity and believe me all of them made lousy pictures if somehow they managed to to match the sensor with the optics to deliver good image and quality then i will be definitely in but from my subjective point of view I'd say number one imaging quality is the nokia n8 with those carl zeiss optics and believe me or not the Apple iPhone 4 takes fantastic pictures with only 5 megapixels of its camera so regardless as you said Evan 16-megapixel doesn't mean anything if you don't have the optics I'd go with 5 megapixels and fantastic optics to have a 2000 or something pixel wide image but that would be sharp crisp with all the corners of the image in focus because with the HTC devices now on the market you have the center and focus and all the edges are blurred colors are washed out so I'm not excited pink for things like it to add a little bit of little pink tunes to the photo Oh a late lately the galaxy s2 2 I see these balloons floating across my window I think so three year old somewhere it's very upset right now oh why don't you catch them like that they are like a thousand feet in the air so pop them and these windows don't open so uh huh yeah you know imaging on a camera is very interesting the iphone 4 probably takes the cake as having the best optics in terms of the video capture and the photo quality but not too far behind and this is all sort of my opinion is the Samsung sensor I mean ever since the omnia two they've been really killing their cameras and the galaxy s 2 s camera i think is perhaps better than the iphone 4 and it takes video at a higher resolution even though it's not insanely amazing quality just in the saturation is what the colors contrast looks good but we're seeing a turning point i think in optics and uh you know yes I supposed to look really good what's happen the Ark is supposed to take a really good photo at the ark the ark as well that's what I was supposed to say that I think sony ericsson comes in close third or maybe even second with those exmor r backlighted or back-illuminated sensors they just take fantastic pictures yeah how important is photos photo taking and video taking are you on your phone you haven't you guys take pictures in true video for me for me it's important because I like to take pictures while being out regardless if it's in the park or or grabbing a drink with somebody and posting those pictures on facebook but lately I'm skipping many many pictures because they don't even look well on the smartphones on display but since i got the Apple iPhone 4 and this guy's I'm not turning to Apple but it's just got a fantastic camera and the pictures look great and if you have a post processing application like camera plus or I don't know Photoshop Express you can be very creative and taking pictures and uploading them to your social page what about you add um I barely ever leave the house so I I take a picture like once a month but you know when I when I do use it I want it to be good so it's it's a fairly important feature yeah it's a bragging right to you know you got to have more megapixels then then your buddy's phone um oh yeah I take a lot of pictures to you know just just the other day they're building a what they call it Whole Foods near me and they're doing some construction and there's just I I like to take pictures there's some crazy construction equipment I got real close with the you know the samsung galaxy s2 and I took some really cool pictures my problem is that I want the phone the picture is to be instantly available somewhere in the cloud and on an android phone you can have picasa web album sink which is awesome take picture boom that's online i would like it a little bit better if it went to like a dropbox folder on my on my desktop in the case of of Windows Phone 7 you can have it automatically update to or upload to think it's called like I drive skydrive yes and in on the iphone that's really the worst of all it takes some of the best pictures but you have to unless there's some other method that I don't know about you have to email pictures to yourself and you can only email like five at a time and they're like you know two megabytes each or your mobile be synced up yeah you could upload them to your eye dr if you pay a hundred bucks for the service all right so all right so how does it work you pay out your bucks and you take a picture and is it just boom like that uploaded or do you have to do something I don't know why haven't these along with will be the point of having to manually sync your photos you bought it I mean there won't be good point that's that's what we're trying over here so yeah I have to imagine mobileme is it is an automatic sync now I don't know if it does it you know are you saying you want it immediately uploaded or you know can you wait 10 minutes until the next you know sync goes through yeah 10 minutes is fine so yeah I think that's what that backup service does you know what I want I want a second with my desktop like a widget that has keeps an active like tally of all the pictures on my phone and it's sorted by date or I could press a button and sort it by like by name of my size and just like that you take a picture boom it shows up on your desktop I think you'd want something like the king studio the Kin studio well I mean HTC Sense calm will do the same thing and you know as we talking about mm-hmm Picasso will do well the kid this the kins studio didn't make a nice little desktop folder or whatever you have to login to the kids to your website there must be some piece of software out there may be one of one of our listeners will hook you up I'm sure that there's a sort of roundabout way you can do that maybe with some sort of i'm sure picasa web album has an api and you could build a widget they're like you know there might be us already a widget using windows windows 7's or the desktop widget framework is that phone i don't know i don't use it yeah I don't think maybe we'll do any I'm moving on Apple is proposing a sim card format that is smaller than micro sim oh no and of course micro sim is just basically a sim card with the plastic cutaway it's really the same thing but they want to make something even smaller because they're starting to become limited by the size of a sim card and so awesome though that that tiny little thing is is limiting the size of our devices it really is amazing any detect these things so full and what's what's interesting is that you know sim cards have been around since gsm networks have been around i mean that's that's how the phone knows what account it should use and LTE networks next generation networks also use sim cards and if you think that we come up with something else rather than the sort of archaic little card you've got plug in phone to get it activated um I mean it makes sense for a lot of people you know you can you can move seamlessly among a lot of phones and especially if you travel a lot you know it's great because your phone can then you know be used on different networks some cards are great I mean anything you replace it with is just going to be something else that that goes into the phone how else would you do it well that's the question how else would you do it you could you could implement a chip right on the main board and you could be able to flash that with your number or maybe I'm saying something stupid which is technically not possible at the moment but the way I see it chips are very small you can have one soldier right on the on the main board when you buy the phone you're being attributed a number you flash that number or your carrier flash is that number to your chip and there you have it your SIM card yeah don't think people want to have to be reliant on carriers to do that for them now I think you know for instance if I if I want to switch out phones here here at home I don't want to have to rely on the carrier to support the activation over you know for me to change phones I just want to be able to do it Chris a lot so the sorry sir the user could do it maybe through a unique maybe 16 digit code you dial into the dialer you press dial and it reprograms your onboard sim card and then you're probably thinking then that creates a lot of opportunity for people that want to sort of steel the numbers but maybe there could be no way for you to access the number your settings or anything like that and kind of like a credit card number you keep it to yourself and it would be your own number that would authenticate your phone number on a given gsm or whatever LP phone mm-hmm well I don't think those those micro sim cards are putting so much thickness into devices everybody who's got an iPad or an iPhone 4 knows how small these micro sims are and only if you take a look at the holder the part which inserts and ejects the card from an to device it's so small let's add a one or two millimeters for the part which is inside the hardware to which the sim card connects if you have a smaller sim card then it will not be thinner and the whole idea is to make smartphones thinner so I'm not buying the story they'll be awesome if they built the same part into storage like a microSD kenna format that me speak yeah I ditched the the SD cards I'd go with NAND memory 64 gigabytes 32 gigabytes 128 gigabytes and that would save you some space you guys remember mini SD parts no no still have a couple they were around that standard was around for like a year and I had one phone it was the HTC tornado than head of a mini SD slot I think I had to handset i think i had the i believe but kaiser was mini SD and um I believe the hermes was and my Trinity was many as d tuya Wow so yeah that was a short lip standard and of course now everything is micro SD even the feature phones there's a small number of them have microSD expansion zone as a tomb sorry which salmon I'm sorry I'm in Apache not Kaiser yes cool and the the final thing that we wanted to talk about today and we've already hinted at it was like Google movies you know the movie download service the google is rolled out is not going to work or not working currently on rooted android devices but your bag is the question do you guys or would you guys watch movies on your your android phone i have i've been at places where my my phone was my only screen and yeah i watched several full-length movies but in general I you know I think people wanted more is like and we were talking about this the other day we're ending it as a continuous thing where you know you're you're watching the movie on you on google TV and then you know you can you can wash it off and on your phone like on the subway and then you know start watching on your computer or on your yeah cuz everyones we watch it work you're breaking up a little bit of it um I first re thats that's the that's the point i think is what screen do you have available if I'm in a situation where I want to watch a movie I'm gonna bring the ipad you know i'm not going to bring an android tablet because i don't have one and yes i know i don't like hung hom that much right now so the ipad makes it so incredibly easy just like i mean it's it's a case with any of these download stores right you pay between two and four bucks you download it you have a 24 hour to window to start it or no you can start it within 30 days and then you've a 24 hour we go to watch it Tony do you watch you watch movies on your on your phone you know I've been traveling a lot in the past five years and I've always somehow managed to to bring one of my laptops with me but nowadays if I go somewhere the only movies i watch on my smart phones are some youtube videos and those take it anywhere between two and five minutes but if if I'd go to watch movies while being mobile i think i take the ipad 2 and anything less in diagonal than the ipad is think not only bad for your eyes but renders your movie unenjoyable mmm from from my personal point of view just wait till that p 9 30 from LG comes out with done 720p those pixels are gonna be so tiny wow that's gonna be the Irish display there's quite a bit of debate though on whether or not that that is a phone that bye-bye model number naming convention it should be a phone p 9 30 you know isn't the same the same line as p970 which is the optimist sub black and p920 which is the 3d and the 990 which is the 2x hmm but then if you look at the number of characters it can fit on the screen it's not a lot it's even less than 10 most phones so there's there's something a little bit screwy going on it that we're not quite sure yet okay spoiler alerts this is going to be the google nexus 3 and it's going to run google ice cream sandwich and it's going to be out summer in autumn that i've heard that a few times well I well I why do you think they would bring LG in for the nexus 3 i would think that they'd be happy with samsung could you repeat that please you were breaking up answered by the lever you said you said why why bring LG into the nexus branding i mean and not stick with samsung well because we got the initial nexus with HTC we got the second nexus with Samsung and I don't think google it wants to tie itself too much to one manufacturer and doesn't want the others to feel neglected so I think all the Nexus is or the next to see I don't know how you say the plural will be manufactured like mex I will be manufactured by a mother OEM you know it's interesting Google's promiscuity is is might be attributed to the fact as you mentioned Tony that they want to work with every OEM show every OEM love and give them the chance to view the next Nexus I'm waiting for the google nexus 5 made buys siiii or she way we oh yeah right I mean I know what interesting thing that I'm sorry to turn our face it's Huawei that the the best thing I learned at ctia Huawei yeah that's pronounced Huawei well we my way yeah but that makes that makes total sense um a lot of people were going crazy when google announced they would have a you know a nexus brand you know what about the partners well okay well we'll rotate to the partners every year and everyone will get a chance to showcase a really hot android device and the nexus brand has proven very strong i mean the nexus one was and still is incredibly popular popular it's a great development platform the Nexus S is is still going strong and still for sale it's it's it's on sprint now as uh as a pretty high-end device running on ltd though and I can't eat soon what's that heaven as I said I'd be on AT&T soon yeah and it'll be available on ATT a lot certainly and I was going to say that if the next is three will be made by LG the nexus 4 will be made by motorola yeah i agree that would be you know is if all these companies necessarily necessarily want to uh i mean it seemed to me at least that that the nexus one was sort of fun a boutique device I mean it may have been cool you know among among people who follow clones but I don't know how many then they sold to you know the average consumer I wouldn't I don't think that as a mainstream device that was all that popular but don't think it was at first but I'm not sure that that that companies accept a company like Samsung which kind of you know they come out with so many phones and I guess LG is another one of those companies that comes out with just a ton of phones but not as much as Samsung it's really um it almost it almost doesn't matter if they sell tremendous number of Nexus is because they hold a big press event each time a new Nexus is released the google partnering with x brand and it gets a lot of attention it's written up in the New York Times and The Wall Street Journal everyone cares a lot so yeah and they're featured in every show where a project failure I mean if you were company with you man it you man your foot back to a product that you know how is not going to sell a lot just so you can get a little bit of press especially if you're you know company like LG who who doesn't really need you know a day of press in the Wall Street Journal it depends on what a lot is I mean we don't know what what is considered a mega hit 40 en on what's considered a waste of time so but we have to wrap up the podcast now thank you everyone for or listening as always and we will see you figuratively speaking next time down all right hey buddy