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are we recording mm-hmm very good hey everyone welcome to the 16th episode of the pocket now pocket cast we have been on a hiatus for most of the summer why have we been on a hiatus well we've been some people have been traveling some people have been busy it's kind of been a hectic time we're working on a redesign for the site don't tell anyone about that yet so there's a lot going on and so we we wanted to be able to sit down when things quieted down a little bit and and work on a podcast so consider this season two of the pocket cast where we're going to go through all the big events that have happened in the last week in the world of smartphones and in joining me on the line senior editor of pocket now Anton Dean Aggie say hi hey Brandon hey everybody how is everybody after well at least here a super hot summer yeah it's been it's been a crazy a crazy summer not only in terms of weather and I record this two days before a possible hurricane is coming to the east coast and recording this two days after an earthquake occurred but a lot is evident tech news you know Motorola being acquired by google CEO Steve Jobs resigning as CEO and yeah tell me about it i'm on vacation five days per year and guess what motorola buys Google Steve Jobs resigns Microsoft gets patent on its Metro UI so it's crazy I shouldn't go on holidays anymore yeah yeah yet tony was off while a lot of this happened and everyone is suing everyone Microsoft is suing motorola Apple suing motorola Apple suing Samsung it is it is bitter out there and you know naturally so this is a very high stakes industry smartphones are still in the fastest growing consumer tech industry and so these companies have their patents and they look at their patents and they say how can we find a way that X company is infringing on our patents because if we can win we can win millions of dollars just by hiring bunch of a bunch of lawyers and at the same time it makes sense right I mean part of the reason why companies can be great part of the reason why Apple can be great for examples because they can protect their ideas and if a company infringes upon that if they copy it the company that infringed on the patents shouldn't be rewarded with millions of dollars in sales they copied off of somebody else so well taking a look towards these patent issues I'm sure lawyers are happy because it's a face they always have something to work on and they're billing clients like Apple Motorola Microsoft great clients some some great hours but I think some of you will say that suing is as bad I'd say suing is good and I say anybody should sue anybody and everybody who infringes upon someone else's patents it's okay to get your inspiration from somebody but nobody likes copycats and I'm sure everybody will say that Apple is the one who's suing most well maybe because Apple had the most innovative things others copied from I'm just saying yeah but if there is no way for an amicable settlement or I don't know paying a certain fee for every device or cross-licensing or something then they should go to court because it's really important to protect innovation and to protect intellectual property it's otherwise it will be theft it is that and it's it's very complicated and it's hard for for most people don't understand that don't have a law degree you have a law degree Tony which is yes I do it's just interesting it's it's very complicated and it you know the the way the perception is kind of something that weighs down these companies a lot I mean this stuff makes headline news in New York Times Wall Street Journal all the big tech sites report on it especially when a company successfully puts an injunction in place against another company from selling a certain device like you know Apple prohibiting sales of the galaxy tab 10.1 in certain countries prohibiting sales of the galaxy s2 in certain countries and then it starts to impact you and me and everyone out there who who wants to buy a galaxy tab 10.1 or whatever exactly and the it's funny you should bring that up because I was of course on holiday when this happened and I've read that apple recently managed to band the galaxy tab from from being sold in the European Community and I'm living in Romania which is a country from the European Community and you can buy a galaxy tab here so I'm not sure when that ban will be affected from and getting back to the galaxy s2 I've heard that it all comes down to Google's own gallery application and it's not even a samsung application and samsung said that they will issue an update as soon as possible to prevent any further infringement so it's funny that Apple's use samsung for google's fault yeah yeah yeah it's a big circle and of course it'll drink there one of the big reasons that a google bought motorola was for all of those 17,000 patents that they can use to take to these companies that sooo android manufacturing say oh no no no we've got this patent that says you're infringing on all our stuff and we're going to countersue so by the way do you think that microsoft suing motorola just a couple of days after the google motorola deal has anything to do with google acquiring Motorola's patent portfolio I don't think so I don't think I don't I mean why didn't they sue until now I really don't know I think it might take more than just a couple of days to issue a lawsuit to serve a lawsuit you know you need a lot of evidence you need to deploy certain things I don't know what the process is but indeed you do I don't think it's related anyhow let us move on let's get into the podcast and if you hear some booming on my end it's not because I had something for breakfast that I shouldn't have it's because there's a big storm out my window here so hopefully the power is not lost so let's get into this I think the thing that is on most people minds is steve job stepping down the CEO and we don't really know why and we're assuming that it's because of his health he's unknown to perform his day-to-day duties with Apple which is which is sad but we got to look at this in terms of the iphone and what this means for the iphone of course there are rumors many rumors saying that there's going to be a new iphone in october at least one at least one and there could be two perhaps on sprint perhaps on t-mobile this thing has been kept probably under the most tight wraps ever because there are so many conflicting legitimate rumors so looking at it from from the point of view the iphone do you think short-term medium-term and long-term that CEO Steve Jobs leaving a CEO has any impact on the iphone what do you think don't well just for a short introduction Steve Jobs didn't leave Apple as a company as if i recall well Bill Gates did Bill Gates stepped out and step out completely of Microsoft but Steve Jobs actually a correction i was looking this up this morning um am i wrong yeah bill bill gates stepped down as CEO and became chairman he's still chairman of my with this it's the same thing with the wig jobs too well no problem introduction aside I don't think Steve Jobs stepping down as a CEO will impact on short and middle term talking about the next iPhone either it will be september-october it's the jobs doing so it's his project and I wouldn't be surprised to see Steve Jobs onstage presenting the new iphone on on the midterm I don't think that apple will lose its market share maybe it will even gain because Steve Jobs king with a vision it's his fingerprints all over Apple's products regardless if we talk about the iphone the ipad or mac books on the long term we might see maybe Apple declining a little bit just like Microsoft is a little bit declining under steve ballmer and i don't want to be biased here it's just the way things are when somebody comes to a position as a successor brings a new vision Steve Jobs had his his personality strong personality and attention to details and that character of him being so excited about everything I'm sure Tim Cook will do a great job but he is not Steve Jobs yeah yeah I tend to agree i think short-term and medium-term meaning two years from now we're not going to see that much of a change of pace we're still going to see innovative products from them it's beyond that where it's questionable but i tend to think that Steve Jobs is such a high quality person such a such a top-notch leader that he wouldn't have done something such as leaving a CEO that would inhibit his company's ability to continue what he has put in place in other words he will be watching over the company for as long as he's able and that also begs the question is he sick to the point where he might not be around in a few years unfortunately but but if he is you better believe that he's going to be making sure that Apple is continuing the legacy of innovative products as chairman I mean that's a very high position chairman of the board makes the the final decisions when it comes down to things that the board has to vote on not only that he's probably going to have regular communication with Tim Cook and the other executives at apple and although he won't be involved in day-to-day he's still going to have a lot of influence and I don't think we should we should forget about these things you know what will be interesting to see I'm curious who will take Tim Cook's position as CEO that will be maybe a key position in Apple who's that guy with the shaved head oh I don't know you know I'm gonna find out that you know the guy that goes on the videos the young one the british one young exactly the young british one yeah i have elapses but i don't know his name his name is he's in any and every product presentation I think he is a director of hardware or maybe not we yeah you know not sure I think everyone knows who were talking about huh yeah and we're sorry we don't remember his name I mean you know they've got a lot of good management there you know they've been hiring a lot over the last decade and they saw this coming you know this has been a this has been in progress steve jobs but i'll not multiple hiatuses is that into them what's the plural about hiatus is it hides high 80 hi 8i honey tea so I mean this this has been planned for this isn't like oh my gosh we have to figure out a succession plan I mean even in his letter he hinted that their head there always has been a succession plan and he's he's not he's not stupid you know yeah anyhow so um well before you want to move on because I want to ask you something of course I was of course on a holiday when when HP announced that they will kill webos oh yeah no this everything happens when I'm on a holiday and I know that you got the pre three how is the pre three now that HP killed webos at well it's still the same of a Wesen pressure um it's funny because I'm playing with in the periphery now I ordered it and I actually bought it for personal use because I was excited to sort of integrate it into my life um I bought it like a week before they killed it and it doesn't change I'm sad I'm not with 99 yeah exactly um and yeah and then they may be the touchpad 99 bucks and even if you want when you can't get one uh the the pre three is you know it's one of those phones where if this was released when it was announced in the beginning of 2011 it would be a contender people would like it but it's got a wvga screen which is ok but not the best it's got a single core processor which is ok but not the best 512 megabytes of RAM which is ok but not that you see where I'm going with this it's just yup it's not really relevant anymore and not only that what really pisses me off is that all of the google voice applications and there were two one was called google and the other one was called like gdial pro both of them don't exist in the app store anymore the catalog because the developers have had problems with with HP they are no longer supporting the product so they pulled they pulled it and I use google voice for my calls I use it for my text messages I can't use the pre three now even though it's got AT&T 3g which is kind of cool for anyone out there that actually wants to 33 but it's a cool phone you know you would think that with with almost double the pixels there'd be a big difference in web OS 2.2 but there's really not it just it feels the same everything's a little bit bigger they really didn't take advantage of the added screen space that much its overall it's a disappointment and what what do you think I'm sorry to interrupt what do you think killed webos and the the pre smartphones was it there there same form factor or was it the platform itself that is a great question and I was just talking about this talking about this with a friend it's the lack of iteration the slowness and bringing new products to market it is not okay to announce a product in january-february and have it available for sale in August this is this is the smartphone industry it's it's crazy not only that but um limiting to just form factors of a slide down keyboards ridiculous android has proven that people want choice people want sly out keyboards they won't slide down keyboards they want on-screen keyboards and HP is forcing people to use this slide down keyboard now let me ask you something i know i'm talking a lot i guess i'm so excited to be back podcast let me ask you something do you remember if you remember when HP bought palm 1.2 billion dollars their rationale was we want to have a mobile operating system we're going to make it on tablets and PCs and we're going to use our incredibly wide distribution to really you know get the webos devices in more people's hands do you think HP has brought any advantage to the webos ecosystem or product no I think that except for paying up to palm and exchanging the palm logo to HP logo on the back of the phones I don't think anything has changed and I think this was the main issue and by the time they realize that they should have done something different they just couldn't do anything else and they that's why they killed it you know I don't get it help how could a company with so many resources have that happen well not every company is good and making every product the best I mean HP is a great company when it comes to laptops notebooks netbooks computers you cannot be the best or among the best in any or every of your divisions if a company makes exceptional laptops it doesn't mean that they will make exceptional smartphones but then they had the experience of bomb they only had to bring up the innovation I think that if they would have changed just something with the pre three and the veer and and the new devices which they launched this year it they would have received a boost a there would have been some buzz around the product it would be something you everybody would have said HP brought something to the table they change this and this and they are heading somewhere but as far as I can see things from the outside and just observe it they're just standing in place right right and then you gotta you gotta ask yourself what was it about webos that as the word hasent hasn't the pace at which new products could could be released and i almost wish i could for one day be you know the CEO of HTC or samsung mobile or motorola mobility and understand what takes so freaking long and i think it has a lot to do with the carriers and the testing but then again the question is why not you know they announced the 33 in the beginning of the year why not release it soon there after one month as an unlock device maybe the price expensive ok great very few people are going to buy it but the people that are going to buy it are going to be more forgiving they're going to tell their friends about it they're going to hack the software develop on it make it better I think because HP is well bomb HP's and the webos main market was America and in the United States if I know well from you and from the discussions with the with our other colleagues the main idea is to get a subsidized phone now I cannot speak for the entire for for Europe and its entirety I can speak for myself and the countries which I know we would rather buy an unlocked phone and not sign any contracts put a prepaid sim card in the phone and use it freely on whatever Network I wish yes of course I have to pay a higher price for an unlocked phone but I don't have to stay two years with the carrier and another thing is that I can speak for laying again strange if you buy the samsung galaxy s2 from either orange or Vodafone you will get a price a lower price than an unlocked phone if you sign a contract but by the end of your contract if you add up all your monthly dues and bills to your carrier plus what you pay for the phone you will get it more expensive even vodafone has a higher price on it on the sgs2 on contract then what you would pay for the phone unlocked which is crazy it is crazy and I feel like the model has started to shift a little bit in the US where prepaid was reserved for people that just you know they wanted a lower quality device they didn't care much about the premium services um you know t-mobile AT&T they're all coming out with better prepaid plans so that you know someone could buy the 33 from a European retailer like clothes coat UK pop in an AT&T prepaid SIM card and you know they've got premium data voice and text just as if they were to sign a contract absolutely but if they for some reason want to change let's say t-mobile comes out with a better prepaid plan they can move so I think they're there is somewhat of a shift that I don't think many people you know everyone's locked into a contract so they're not really paying attention but I think there are a lot of really good prepaid options in fact I use tmobile prepaid as my primary line because I don't like to be tied down for two years so so anyway um yeah just getting back to the boy enjoying the conclusion i personally think that the lack of innovation both hardware and software wise killed all HP smart phone division and webos this is my personal opinion I think I think we can chalk it up as as such and let us move on to the next thing and sorry if you hear Tony breaking up a little bit where do I break am I still breaking up a little bit it's ok it comes in and out we were doing this over skype since he lives you know 3,000 miles away so it made that that doesn't what could make that 10,000 10,000 miles I think the earth isn't even 10,000 miles around but maybe a lady maybe I just thinking in kilometers yeah maybe so you know that is his quality should clear up it might have something to do with us whether I don't know aliens you know so let us talk about the google nexus prime now the nexus brand is a very strong brand the nexus one was awesome the nexus s was awesome people still use the nexus one people still use the nexus s obviously very good phone still and now the nexus prime might come around we don't really know much about it except that it might be a pretty beastly phone we're talking perhaps a true 720p display i want to talk about for a sec so regarding these HD screens i rode in editorial on August eighteenth about them a lot of manufacturers right now like to call their screens HD you know motorola will do it samsung will do it they say clear crisp HD screen well it's not d it's not even close you know they do Q HD screens right now on android which is 540 across x 960 up and they call that qhd because it's literally the quarter of 1080p HD resolution hopefully you're following me so far if there were to be a phone like the HTC vigor for example oh or the samsung nexus prime that's coming out with a true 720p screen that would make for a pixel density of 342 which means if you take a cross-section of the screen you cut off a one inch by one inch square you would count 342 tiny tiny tiny little pixels on the iphone if you do the same thing you'll get to about 326 pixels now Steve Jobs like to say that after 300 pixels the I cannot see pixels anymore so there really wouldn't be that big of a difference between you know 326 PPI of 342 PPI except that you have more screen real estate to work with you eyes can improve so this upcoming nexus prime to run perhaps ice cream sandwich on android 4.0 with a dual-core 1.5 gigahertz processor maybe even a quad-core processor with the 720p screen is going to be a freaking beast it's going to be ridiculous and in 2012 is going to be the year of a 720p display and it's going to be super crisp super clear it's going to blow away what what apples are done with with the iphone 4 and it might be coming to verizon first it's just normal that we're going to to higher and higher resolutions because let's take just a couple of examples we don't even look at smartphones if they not they cannot capture 720p video and if you capture a 720p video and you play that back on a screen which is smaller than the videos native resolution of course the quality gets worse this applies of course for for pictures taken to this is number one number two I have to agree with you on the screen real estate sometimes my my screen regardless if I use iOS or I use Android is so seems to be so tiny that I have to flick to the second or the third home screen to find what I'm looking for yeah maybe smaller icons larger screen in terms of real estate more information available at a glance aside from from the usual which is good for your eyes and better quality and display I think it's all about more information available to you at a glance whenever you take a look at your phone yeah and you know would be cool I'm trying to find a tape measure but I cannot um when we get to these higher resolution 720p on an android screen so that we don't have to shave our fingers down to be really tiny it would help if they could make the screens bigger well you make the screen bigger the device gets bigger well not necessarily true if you take a device like the evo 4G or the galaxy s2 and you look at it you see how much extra space they have on the sides on the top and on the bottom to stretch that screen I bet if you were to maximize the screen on galaxy s2 the evo whatever you'd get two not four point six inches maybe more and it would have to be wide screen because 720p is a wide screen resolution and that means that you'd have to increase the screen size more so vertically then on the sides which is perfect because you know there's there's going to be more room on the top of the bottom so i think it's going to be really sweet to see what what comes out in 2012 in terms of larger screen devices with super high-res displays and crazy fast processors it's going to be glorious yeah but I have a question and of course the nexus prime is rumored to have at least a 5.2 inch display five points 20 something what does it make a tablet a tablet and what does it make a smart phone a smart phone where's the line between them I mean holding a 5.2 inch smartphone in your hand you can say that you're holding a small tablet in your hand so what's what's that thin line between smartphone and tablet because it's it's blurring away I think I think the lines are easy i think it's pocket ability I think at the point at which you cannot hold it into the pocket hold it in the pocket comfortably it's a tablet but then then there's a big difference between like that borderline tablet around five inches and a comfortable tablet at seven inches and obviously you can't comfortably put a 7-inch tablet in your pocket you obviously can't do a 10 inch tablet so so you'd say that up until six inches it's okay to consider it a smartphone 6 inches and above it would be a tablet because the software of course it will be the same it's just the dimensions the physical dimensions of the device I don't think so I don't think six inches is the number i mean if they could come out with a six-inch phone that would actually fit in your pocket so the the dimensions would be too wide I mean to why too tall wouldn't work I think five inches is probably the maximum if you make good use of the of the bezel and you reduce the size of the bezel as to not have to make the casing of the device very but wouldn't make that that 5.2 inch nexus prime a tablet um well I think for the nexus prime we're talking about maybe 4.5 inch or four point six inch where where do you see 5.2 well the rumors were talking about a five point 26 if I colwell inches but there are several other rumors which talk about a four point something and I've read a recent report and it said that we could expect tube phones from Samsung basically with the same internals the i 9220 which would have a 5 point something display and an I 9210 which would basically have the same internals in terms of CPU memory and whatnot but with a four-point something screen well I guess we have to chalk this up as a yeah we'll talk about this next week because I'm sure by this time next week we'll know more by this time next week we should know more indeed we've got the samsung event week from today and Tony will be in Berlin for IFA a lot of oh yeah a lot of fun smartphone stuff so expect hands-on coverage if there's gonna be a nexus prime at IFA next week we're gonna get our hands on one and and play with it in its full glory so now you will be will so let us move on HTC this is the season of smartphone releases of course holiday seasons coming up companies want you to buy stuff and we will people go buy stuff yes HTC's holding an event in London which is important because usually when they do it in London it has nothing to do with AT&T t-mobile verizon or sprint and just a second I'm interrupting you the same event is going to be held also in other places like Paris too and so in France and Italy so it's going to be a simultaneous event from what I've read and from what I've seen on HTC's regional facebook accounts okay good simultaneous event in Europe so it's a very generic invite as is the case they're going to say you know we want to show you what's next okay and so we're thinking that they're going to be featuring two windows phone 7 devices the Omega the eternity which should be pretty exciting we haven't seen new windows phone hardware since well a freaking year that is it's been a very long time since we've seen windows phone hardware and which which sort of begs the question how do you see the current state of of Windows Phone I guess let's look at it from the perspective of Microsoft who want to sell lots of devices and earn lots of royalties and also from the perspective of users who want the platform to be competitive with Android that want awesome devices to be able to buy what do you think okay so from Microsoft's perspective Microsoft has been coming up with all these excuses all we've been hearing from from a year now is that Windows Phone 7 was rushed to the market it lacked some features which is the reason why it didn't catch up to the competition Android and iOS i recently read that it sells even worse than Barra so Microsoft came with a product which was not ready for the market and we accepted that i did at least and microsoft said that the next day thing to come as mango which will fill up all the holes and we'll deliver the experience which would have been delivered or should have been delivered by so last year when windows phone 7 was launched if Microsoft screws this up they will get out of the smartphone business and this is my personal opinion because one year after windows phone 7 is out in the market they are filling up the blanks but i'm not sure and I now I'm transitioning to the users perspective I'm not sure the users are willing to try anymore a Windows Phone or another platform for that matter because I'm okay with my android or I'm okay with my iOS why should i switch to Windows Phone when I did the switch from windows mobile to the current platform i'm using yeah so the timing is timing is key here and it's always not not on a Microsoft side they always have timing wrong I think in part because the company is so big and it's it's tough to to innovate so I think from Microsoft's perspective no they're not making money on windows phone 7 there they have what five percent of the market share but they can they can pull an xbox here they can be lose millions and millions of dollars for years and years and if they have a reason to believe but it's going to be profitable they'll stick in there and bleed money until there's a turning point so I think Microsoft's not happy with it necessarily but they know they have to be serious about it I mean they have to be in mobile they are a software company for the use oh sorry you want say something no no longer one I was I was going to agree with you very good i like it when you agree uh from the users perspective you know I can't really tap into the brains of of the average smartphone using person but for me I you know I've used mango I haven't used it yet as a daily driver it's out there you can get it on pretty much any phone mango isn't mangos very good but when I compare it to like my samsung galaxy s2 running Android which is it's an extremely fast device it's got you know I've rooted it it's got a custom rom and it just works perfectly I can't feel a need to use windows phone seven unless something comes along to make it interesting again and I think that's where the hardware is going to come in you know Microsoft put all its cards on the table a long time ago with Magda like here's what we're going to fix here's what's going to happen so we know that mango is what we got until next year you know there's tango coming out which is going to be from low end markets and then Apollo windows phone 8 in in presumably a year from now and there's got to be some really really interesting hardware to jazz up windows phone 7 and we're going to get it hopefully to the extent that Android is so what let me ask you this Tony what what hardware evolutions which you have to see the run Windows Phone 7 mango to make Windows Phone 7 look awesome to you oh I got an answer to that i'm waiting for sea ray so am waiting for that fantastic nokia hardware run oh yes sirree oh yeah yeah and I'm waiting for that at least sweat off megapixel camera that would probably kill some low key and it s and that will be a huge selling point for me i've been using malgo rtm and even the mat at the mango beta 1 and beta tues as my daily driver I have nothing against Windows Phone I like it it does everything I throw at it I don't need anything else it's just that I hate running on my LG optimus 7 which is a wave one device and it doesn't make it pictures and yeah well you know there any there they were all the same you know I mean and and we don't even know yet if mango is going to be able to support dual core or even needed but I I completely agree with you the the Nokia partnership is going to play out big and we're going to see this nokia c array which is of course the windows phone 7 version of the n9 and it is some glorious hardware I mean it is I see a picture of it and I feel like that thing inside of me that says I gotta have it I don't care you know I don't care what it costs I gotta have one in my pocket because it's it's made of metal it's just it's it is really good stuff and you know hopefully nokia gets it right with this with sea ray they release it in time for this next wave of devices and hopefully they've optimized the heck out of it so it's really fast screen sensitivity is off the charts the camera is impeccable and you know we expect nothing else from Nokia they have really good cameras on their phones but yeah see ray is going to lead the way you know there's rumors of a galaxy s2 like device running windows phone seven ish I'd buy that one too I'd buy that you know with a super amoled plus screen they got to come out with a successor to the focus certainly and that's exactly you know the focus is a galaxy yes and so the the update would be a galaxy s2 inside with perhaps an Exynos processor do you know about whether windows phone 7 supports you know dual-core know from chassis one which we know it's not dragon Wanderers processors and chassis to was made public this year's myths and it's 800 megahertz processors and this is a personal concern of mine because I've heard so many rumors of upcoming HTC windows phones and other Windows Phone sporting the CPUs which are above 1 gigahertz 1.4 1.5 I don't think they fit in the current chassis specifications so I'm not sure what what's happening Microsoft is clear either Snapdragon 1 gigahertz processor which is wave 1 or Snapdragon 800 megahertz processor which is way too where does that 1.4 1.5 fit in yeah yeah we're gonna have to see about that and you know there's going to be I think he it looks like there's going to be several different OEM events like HTC's doing one of course that we just talked about instead of like last year Microsoft how the event and they released nine devices I prefer that I think that's better so you know obviously its ease of you for us to cover being in this industry but it helps to sort of you know by the message and you know Ballmer could explain what this wave 2 means what can we do we really want that as we speak about Windows Phone mango and the OEMs today the first Windows Phone 7 mango device was launched in japan toshiba together with Microsoft and carrier kddi where I launched the is 12 t which is a strange name for a windows phone so is the first windows full metal on the market and if you live in Japan you can grab with its ratings waterproof is that it 12 megapixel camera it's I like the pink one does it make me kinky that doesn't make you kinky I don't think that's the right part okay anyway let's move on from this before we get in trouble okay um so Antonio you're breaking up a little bit there so maybe you can make it just it's the pink windows phone it's the pink windows phone that's making break up um anyway so next up on our list when they release the iphone 4 they kept the 3gs around at a lower price and rumor is it's funny that every piece of apple news is a rumor um rumor is that they're going to keep around the or they're going to make an 8 gigabyte version of the iphone 4 going to keep it around for a lower price but I'm kind of wondering you know why are they gonna make an entirely new phone they don't make an 8 gigabyte right now 16 or 32 why would they make a low respect device in fact I would think that they would go higher they go with a 32 gigabyte model they make it 99 bucks or 59 bucks or 49 bucks and they'd have the iphone 5 be of course of the premium price so that is kind of strange that they would they would do that I think there's no questions the iphone 4 has another gear I mean it's still really great hardware and there's a lot of people that still want it and if its price lower all the better yeah but what if they go in six months from now with a free iphone 4 they will have a budget iPhone 4s with a lower capacity storage but higher respects like maybe the iphone 5 sub cheaper materials and have the premium flagship which will be the iphone 5 then they will have something for everyone Wow and that's something they would do they would give us more than we thought so they take the old version make it better sell it for less bring out this amazing new thing with a dual-core processor and bigger screen no 20 gigs of ram worse than that and make sure it will be elegant and it will be top notch and the materials used will be of course on Apple standards because it's so unlike Apple to come up with a product which would be squeaky and could be easily scratched and plastic and so on I like my phone squeaky why you know I don't think that's such a bad name well I hate it I like to keep a phone in my hand and my squeeze it I just want to feel a compact slab in Miami yeah very cool let us move on I think we're going to skip ahead a couple of things here for the sake of keeping this as close to an hour as possible let's go to the back to Windows Phone um I always kind of had a problem with the way that Microsoft thought about their their products you know they're very business focus so they try to get into every market they can and they see big dollar signs in the lower end of market the developing countries and you know people that are 12 years old or whatever and you know don't have a job and whatever and you know we're talking about Windows Phone tango which is a version between mango and Apollo and and Microsoft has confirmed that there's a tangled version for lower and devices and i'm trying to think back didn't they do something like this for windows mobile they had some sort of lower spect something I can't remember I mean we had windows mobile five then came 6.0 then 6.1 and 6.5 and from what I know even low end my HTC Trinity ran windows mobile 6.5 yeah me I don't know what I'm thinking about but the point is they spend resources you know people's time energy and subsequently money to develop this version this risky version of Windows Phone for developing nations when they could take that same amount of resources and plow it into Apollo or mango updates or whatever I just I don't get it I don't get why they would sidetrack this early in well of course it's because of the money because they want to sell more and the more markets you're in the more money comes in if you see just windows phone as you know it now was officially launched and supported in five countries with pipe languages and that's a deal breaker for many including me who are in Romania and I cannot use the live services but I don't look as Windows Phone tango as a completely different platform because that will introduce some fragmentation and Microsoft doesn't want that right I'm not sure how they will pull this off because having to say a samsung whatever running tango in Romania and a samsung whatever running mango in the United States what's the difference so more fragmentation let more bulky and late updates and they don't want more ? sin in the equation I think tango will be an update which which will apply to all the windows phones will bring some new features which will not be ready or they don't want to hold on to them until a polo comes out but maybe we could see those chassis two phones with 800 megahertz which will be cheaper and talking about cheaper phones one of the main main targets of Nokia is to come out with cheap windows phones so I think we're going to see an update which will be called tango which will be applicable to all windows phones but it will introduce maybe chassis three or maybe optimization for the lower and 800 megahertz processor this is the way I see because if we're talking about the completely new platform which is only for countries like I don't know serbia croatia romania and so on countries which are not important to the market as the USA UK Spain Italy Germany and so on Australia I'm sorry if I forget somebody then it will be a big trouble for Microsoft I don't even want to talk about phones 800 megahertz processor it's depressing it really is but what what doesn't what does it take for a phone to to operate well do you need strong dual-core processors like an Android if you order this phone 7 as it exists now on device with an 800 megahertz processor it's going to be slow that's why they're probably going to make tengo tu to you know take out some of the animations and make for a poor experience so that they can make more money in other markets so it's disingenuous to the brand but you know yeah well let's move on before I throw something at the monitor here speaking of Microsoft they've confirmed that Windows Phone 7 devices will have front facing cameras with mango and will work with skype of course Microsoft bought skype recently and this is very very interesting I think this has implications across the entire smartphone industry Apple has not been able to make facetime a standard in the smartphone industry they've kept it close to iPads and iPhones and let alone whether people actually use it which I don't think they do it's made it impossible for an android phone to face time with a with a p and iphone and microsoft is changing that they're using skype which is an open protocol or is it open i don't think it's not open but it's everyone has it there's 700 million skype accounts everyone and their mother and their father has a skeptical they're putting this into windows phone 7 so that Windows Phone 7 can out of the box talk to the skype on your computer on your android phone on your iphone and this is a really big jump for microsoft the I think Apple could have could have you know done something with but they they didn't fulfill their promise of opening up facetime well I think this time is specific for those who are Apple fans I mean if you have a macbook or imac and you are using an iphone or your buddies are using an iphone you will definitely use the facetime feature in the future but skype became unwillingly maybe a standard when it comes to video calling I mean as you said apples FaceTime didn't manage to challenge it Google's video didn't manage to challenge it quick and the other offerings are are by far in lower quality than then skype is but I think the issue here is is not the actual catching up but Microsoft is trying to bring something new to the table I mean as you said you can use skype from your windows phone out of the pocket to talk to anybody regardless of their platform and this isn't a direct effect of Microsoft buying skype because everybody was afraid that now Microsoft has bought skype and now we will have no skype updates on Android and on other platforms now they are committed to constantly updating the experience I think what we will have here is is a new era because Microsoft would skype and with Facebook go for a huge trio and if you add up nokia to that game then you got a winner it's a good point there's a lot of a very important assets it's like Windows Phone 7 right now and you know it'll serve them well um they're making big moves with Windows Phone 7 they're not really taking you necessarily baby steps it's a big big deal to integrate skype right out of box i mean to to be able to press the skype button on your new phone you just brought home type of years and years name and password and boom you're making video calls with anyone that as a skype again I think that's yeah and if they manage to integrate it the way they integrated facebook and mango then it will be a hit which I don't know how they will manage because mango has already arty and we have already the first windows for mango out in the market skype integration will come somewhere in the at the end of the 3rd or beginning of the fourth quarter so it will come this year I don't know how they will manage to implement skype in the People Hub maybe with a full rom update which will be delivered maybe by next time do I to all of the phones yeah yeah we'll have to see um it should be cool and it should be poppin fresh yep um all right well with that let's uh let's let's end the 16th edition of the pocket now pocket casts season two thank you everyone for your patience and thank you for those of you that are listening we apologize for the audio issues we'll work on that and make sure that won't happen again and doesn't that terrible oh it wasn't that bad there's a couple of times where I had trouble hearing you but I think people can make out what you were saying again thank you everybody for listening and please leave us some feedback on how you like this podcast and what you want to hear from us I want you don't want to hear from us more they don't want to hear about my kinkiness yeah yeah I think that's a different thing in the u.s. than it is in Romania but yeah we'll talk about that offline okay all right well uh ciao for now thanks a lot touch out bye-bye