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hey everyone welcome to the pocket cast pocket nail podcast episode 5 today we have with us Evan Blass our managing editor say hi Evan hey guys hey Brenner and senior editor Tony also known as Anton d Nagi say hi anthem hey guys hey Brendon Haven alright so again we are excited about this podcast because it's it's everywhere it's on YouTube it's on iTunes it's on zune so you have so many options to listen to this because I know a lot of people want to have a lot of choices and how they get it on their device or whatnot and of course we're going to look into a way to get this on Android also in the near future and in this episode we're going to do things a little bit differently towards the end we're going to take some Twitter questions just about an hour ago I asked people on Twitter you have any questions for us for our pocket casted we got a big handful of questions so we're gonna we're going to do that so as we always like to do we're going to start off with something that made the news this week and we're going to go from there so starting off we're going to talk about the amazon appstore on 20 februari which was it's a day of the week was that Sunday so a week from a week ago yesterday or today it's today's Sunday we record on Sunday and posted on Monday got some news from amazon explaining how their app store which we still don't really understand why they're doing this is going to tie into amazon.com so they're going to have recommendations when you're viewing one app it'll say you know other customers bought this check it out when you search for say other pieces of software maybe for your mac or for your pc you'll get results for android apps but what's still totally unclear is why amazon wants to do an app store they think they can do it better now amazon has quite a history of you know they're the best at putting together a product page and you know putting everything pertinent on on one page and they think they can do that for abs too apparently but it's I i agree i mean they've got so much experiencing summers and recommendations but like me as an Android consumer I want to use the android market because it's got so much choice so they're at a huge disadvantage because they're starting from zero here and you know the google app marketplace is at 150,000 so they're going to have to have some really compelling features to to developers and consumers what if they offer developers a better cut I mean that alone could you know what I mean that that's attractive that's true better term so they could they could presumably start a war in in the app stores you know all the developers right now get seventy percent on windows phone on iTunes and in the android market and if i were amazon were to undercut all of them go to fifteen percent um yeah well though i guess i mean most of the the ecosystems are locked down you know you couldn't have an alternate app store unless you are catering to jailbroken devices and i think the same is true on on Windows Phone so you're saying that you couldn't install a and a new app store on to your you know AT&T android phone no no you could with Android but I don't think it would be possible with other platforms you know all right thing right there's an iPod or what with iOS or with Windows Phone you know those are pretty much locked down to the native bat markets that's true another point of differentiation here is that Amazon's going to vet every app whereas in the android market you know today if you wanted to come up with a new live wallpaper you could have it up by the end of the day but amazon's going to filter every app kind of like Apple does potentially fixing a problem of the Android app store which is that there's just so much crap in there still there's so many half kind of half-assed applications to be honest I'm trying to look at these things from two different perspectives the first one is from the developer's point of view I mean let's say we are developers working on a software that would mean that we should first of all subscribe to both app stores pay the fee the initial fee and then submit our software to both of the application stores if we take a look at this from the consumer user point of view is let's say you want to buy or download an application you would have to search in both places let's say amazon has a better price because it has a lower fat you download the application you buy it what happens with the updates will I be able to update my software purchase from amazon using google market or vice versa i mean i don't know how these two will be able to work together as a one from the users point of view it's it's very confusing for the user to be able to have to go through to app stores i mean eventually if this apster becomes big consumers will pledge their allegiance to one of them and stick with it probably because most people don't want to fuss with through app stores isn't it interesting though because i'm sorry when you say something no no se SI SE devon um because it you know several years ago before before apples and and the ipods and iphone made their app store so big there was a bunch of different app stores you know third party like handango and and pocket gear and whatever and and and none of those were were nearly as successful as when when Apple brought it all together under one roof and so it almost seems like consumers don't want choice in this in this scenario they'd rather have convenience as opposed to the other verticals where you know you wouldn't just want to have Walmart selling everything and have no other place to go for for your electron to your clothes or anything yeah that was a very inconvenient in the days of windows mobile when you could get your apps from like five different places and then Microsoft did the windows is so long windows windows phone marketplace for mobile that was the official name windows mobile 6.5 App Store which to this day has like a thousand apps maybe more by now but they came in way too late and everything was way too fragmented I've never spent a dollar in that store yeah neither did I I mean that the apps there were you know yet spb mobile shell in like 30 bucks it was insane it's good software but I mean the pricing just wasn't wasn't right there amazon i think could pull this off if they are starting to address from the very beginning all the let's say flaws of the google market for instance in-app purchasing there was a news bit this week i think it was towards the weekend when google removed an application exactly because it referred to some in-app purchasing now i'm not going to develop on that but if amazon would allow in-app purchasing or would give access to all of these things which google doesn't permit on their own market maybe they could have a big winner here but again i think it will be first of all contributing very much to fragmentation and second very very confusing for the consumer i mean that's my point of view as a user on the other hand Tony just to take the opposite side of the coin Amazon's got a lot of things going for it obviously number one there amazon number two as we already talked about they have a lot of experience in commerce number three they have the advantage of hindsight they can see what makes the google market great and what makes it not so great as you imply in-app upgrades is a mess at times you app recommendations aren't great with in the market there's a lot of crap in there so I mean amazon if anyone out there has an opportunity to do something better perhaps amazon is the company to do it and perhaps they see that and they've seen that and they're finally going to execute on it and who knows maybe a year from now we'll be using the Amazon App Store's our primary means of getting android apps and then won the Best Buy App Store than a walnut all rights and everything less I think this is sort of opening a Pandora's box I'm not sure I want to go here and like I said before it was never really that successful until Apple centralized everything into into just one market that was easily accessible from the device yeah in that respect it's definitely an uphill battle although I guess we shouldn't tell people about the pocket now appstore coming miss July didn't hear it from us so 11 more thought on this Amazon thing will this them be a premium version of the Google market with only certain applications from the Google market being doubled in the Amazon market I've had an interesting discussion with the with somebody from from the makers of the Tegra 2 chipset at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona and we've discussed about Nvidia's app store and they told me that certain applications those which would be developed especially for high-end Android devices will be features it will be featured in the nvidia app store but all purchasing will be done through the google market maybe amazon will be a stripped-down premium version of the google market with only certain applications which made certain demands or certain and no standards it's just a bunch of thoughts in my head I cannot think about it straight at this moment that's true i mean it could be for higher tier applications getting away from 99 cents and two bucks in epping going back to ten fifteen dollar apps premium games you know tuned perfectly for tegra two chips maybe even a you know magazine subscriptions that act as apps something better quality than just you know live wallpaper apps and you know the like that you get cool well let's move on from here definitely interesting with the hope that amazon brings something to the table that's better than what we have now because we're always for that all right so let's talk about this Windows Phone 7 update that occurred this week and then it was pulled back because it was breaking certain devices like the Samsung Focus so this update isn't the big update to get ie9 and to get multitasking with fast app switching it's not the update to get copy and paste it's the update to allow those other things to happen um so it does really nothing to the user experience and yet it's something that you must get in order to get the other features coming down the road which what we're used to that on the desktop aren't when you receive like a hundred different you know mine are updates from one goes before you get service pack 1 or service pack 2 or whatever yeah but that's I think that's a little bit more seamless because you can set it to automatically update whereas on Windows Phone 7 you get a pop-up notification you plug into zune you download it granted it's only 10 minute process but still it's it's 10 minutes I think they sort of want to call it out you know like finally here we are doing over-the-air updates after having a capability for you know five or ten years so you know they could do it in the background I think they sort of want people to know that that they are you know right on the ball with these these upgrades well this isn't really not great but update at least well except they're they're not on the ball you know they were talking about this update for copy and paste I think the first rumour coming from Microsoft was January and now it's going to be probably two weeks from now in early March which brings an interesting question uh back in the days of Windows Mobile legacy windows mobile and pocket now used to be a site just for windows mobile over-the-air updates just work possible they built the mechanism in i think in windows mobile 6.5 but it was never used because there were so many levels of sort of requirements to get through to the phone so there was the OEM there was the carrier and then there's of course Microsoft all of which had to work in tandem to produce an update and it you know updates for Windows Mobile didn't come as frequently as we get on Android and on iOS for example but with Windows Phone 7 Microsoft sort of had this new promise all the hardware is going to be very similar the requirements are very much the same so that we can more easily push through updates and the question I guess is you know is its Microsoft making good on its promise to bring forth these updates in a more easy way in a more timely way well it all depends as you implied earlier with Windows Phone 7 it's the same situation I mean there are also carriers involved so mainly carriers involved and there are certain things even I don't perfectly get I mean Microsoft is sending out clearly the message that you will receive the update notification if you are using a sim card or if you are on an operator which is a partner to Windows Phone 7 now Adam filmed the video of demonstrating the update process and he clearly stated that the device which he used had no sim card at all so and my guess is that somewhere at some point the phone regardless if it uses Wi-Fi Wi-Fi or data connection sends a pole at a certain interval or receives a notification from a Microsoft server saying that hey there's an update available it's just that I don't know why and I personally haven't received the update notification yet why certain regions certain devices do receive the update and why certain devices do not this is the first thing and the second thing I want to say is Microsoft is emphasizing so hard and writing it out in bold letters that this is a huge thing for them I mean yes it is it's a big project for pushing out updates to I don't know how many devices but to all the devices which is something which they didn't do in the best and I think that we can take a look at this first update before the first updates from two perspectives we can look at it a like a prerequisite update doing something on the phone which we don't know about but preparing the phone for the nodes you know though update or two we can look at it as a test just to see just for Microsoft to see that okay the system is working and we can we can do it and if there will be problems let them be now so we can address them before the big update so not really sure sowww ad what would Apple do or what would google do I mean it's just maybe I'm not giving Microsoft enough credit but I just think it's a little bit haphazard too after the fact after millions of devices are in the hands of consumers say oh we don't know if this is actually going if your second scenario is true Tony we're not sure if this is going to work so we are going to inconvenience every one of our users with this update that does nothing what Apple do something like that I mean they would ensure that before the consumer got the the phone in their hand the update process worked same with Google you know there is one thing with Windows Phone 7 updates carriers have the opportunity to skip one update so if a carrier says I I want to skip this update he skips it but he has to deliver at the second update so there cannot be more than two updates left out by the carrier and if this update actually does something to the phone carriers cannot skip it but I've heard that some of the carriers might be able to skip it which then takes me back to the web where I started it doesn't actually do anything it's just a simple test so again mixed thoughts do you know how this works toady I mean does Microsoft have a file and then they send the file to a rep at AT&T and t-mobile and vodafone or whatever and just and say hey can you guys look at this and deploy it on march first or do they just send it out without you know consulting the carriers well this sooner so far here's what I know I know of two things first of all that the update will come from Microsoft and you only receive the notification from your carrier if we are to listen to what Microsoft is saying that you will need a sim on a partner carrier second thing I know is from microsoft itself which they published on their blog that yes these updates will needs to be tested by carriers so let's say Microsoft sends out the update to carriers then the field tested for a couple of days they give the okay and then the actual updates rollout process begins so it's somewhat like you imply Brendan so it's always the implication here then that that HD 2's that have shoehorned windows phone 7 on them are not going to be able to get this update I don't know to be quite honest I don't know and I don't think that there will be a mechanism to stop the update because from what I've heard and from what I've read on these HD 2's running Windows Phone 7 they are actually emulating legacy windows phone 7 device I think it's the hd7 so the system the carrier everything sees the device as it was an actual windows phone 7 device so my best guess my biggest guess is that yes they will receive some updates but I haven't heard of any reports yet that's interesting very interesting indeed ah I guess the the update process is as cumbersome if we even want to call this cumbersome compared to android so you know the I mean we've seen this and this is a topic of conversation thing the epic 4g the captivate finally are getting froyo but google released the froyo source code a long time ago back last year and yet it's taken this long but you know I think the carriers and Samsung especially needed to do things to get this update finally pushed out yeah I mean it's a it's a pretty big deal to to deploy a completely new operating system to thousands and and in some cases hundreds of thousands of devices um I mean when you when you look in a lot of these databases like like Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and you know even divx certification often times they will separate the same device with the two operating system version so you know say they'll have the d700 which is the epic 4g they'll have one version of it which is which is Eclair and then one version of a which is 2.2 froyo so you know there's there's such a significant difference there that that they almost look at them is two different pieces of hardware ah I'm not sure you guys remember sorry Brendan all right I'm not sure sure if you guys remember this I remember it because I covered it it was a story back at the i think it was mid january and it came from android police and somebody allegedly close to the situation has reported that these actual froyo updates for us carrier brands of the galaxy s are being held back because let's say of conspiracy among carriers and the guy broke down the updates in two to three caleb categories first one it was the critical updates which results in critical bugs and these usually are sent out for free from samsung to the carrier there were the maintenance updates which fixed some of the bugs which users reported but towards the carrier and these have certain costs died and there were some feature updates which which caused the most and the android 2.2 froyo was in this category now samsung i think it was two or three days after the story came public and said no samsung is not requesting any fees for the froyo updates we are giving them out for free promise and this this was half of the quotes i can look up the whole world so i think there might be something involved some some truth here because yeah first of all the devices hardware wise are the same but there are a lot of carrier customizations blot where which we know we call them lot where they have to tested at a certain device level on a certain number of test devices this kid let's say take two three four five weeks to months but come on we are six seven months how long are we after the froyo launch one here a long time that's assuming that that everything goes smoothly in the testing I mean you know you look at a phone like the fascinate they're there they're taking out all the the Google stuff and putting in bing you know besides all the whatever changes that that come along with you know the versioning update so so i think that there there is quite a bit involved here and and i'm not i'm not so sure that there's there's a conspiracy of any sort going on among the carriers i'm i'm not sure what that would you know with that what they would really gain from that you know pushing people into new hardware maybe but you know in general and i think that they see that it's beneficial to get these these updates out quickly and and they really are trying to because they see that that people are you know there's quite a you know there's quite an uproar now that it's been so long alright well let's move on from here a final a final thought and then we'll move on I feel like the team's responsible for issuing these updates are relatively small and I say that because shortly after the release of the source code of a new version of Android you can go to a site like XD developers or android central forums and get he get the new version of the software working almost perfectly within like two days because all of the developers are pulling the resources together and getting it done I just feel like these companies like Samsung I'm not going to say HTC that their teams of four upgrades are just not as well equipped as they should be to quickly get these updates out but you also remember their standards are higher you know if they have to have these things like you know rock solid or or what they consider rock solid while on XDA people will take something that's you know ninety five percent working it's a good thing to remember I guess they're trying to keep people from not calling customer service lines and returning their phones and if something is off then it's not fair game alright so next up on the list last week sami from the Jersey Shore went back to the House wrong podcast ha jeez no I don't watch Jersey Shore except every week um anyway I was gonna say the worst part is you could keep talking about that you didn't have a set out there oh well uh what are your thoughts on I'm just kidding okay let's move on um more stuff about the htc inspire 4G not doing great with speed benchmarks we talk about this every week it seems because i'm frankly bitter about it that the Atrix 4G and the inspire 4G which are the hspa+ phones on AT&T network in most cases and i'm saying most because I've read lots of reviews out there can't do 4G yet because there is no 4G and what's worse is that it doesn't support specifically the inspire 4G doesn't support hsupa which is the technology that allows the device to upload almost as fast as it can download and no one really knows why and it's just so unfortunate because we've got a phone that's supposed to be faster when it's in fact slower if you root the phone you can enable hsupa but it's just it's just ridiculous at this point I mean there's a rumor out there that March first is the day when a lot of people are going to see this hspa+ and that is about three days away I have a feeling that's not true I mean did they disable this from the software level 0 or is it disabled from the deep radio level inside the ROM sounds like the software because it seems relatively easy to turn back on yeah and you've said that that that it's possible to enable it on a lot of Android phones for ATT gape is our resident genius side note yeah and so presumably they disabled hsupa because they expect the phone to run on hspa+ which sort of takes care of both uploads and downloads but maybe the deployment the hspa+ it's just not happening as fast but they should tell us about that send out a press release saying you know we understand customers aren't receiving 4G speeds well here's when they will I feel like a mt sort of they got caught you know holding the bag in in some cases like not holding the bag necessarily but they started feeling left behind you know verizon was moving forward with LTE spring already had wimax going I think that the gamble had been at AT&T that people weren't buying t-mobile's whole you know where 4G with our with our hspa+ and and then and that gamble was wrong people were buying it and yep and all of a sudden apmt started to look like slowest network out there and so they had to come out with that report that said hey we're actually the fastest you know on average over you know over the entire population it was you know very specific case scenario where they were the fastest and and and now i think that there's a lot of pressure on them to to start deploying these 4g devices even before the the 4g network is is completely ready yep that's that sounds right to me yeah exactly on the same note as Evans said the 4g network is ready AT&T is saying that it's ready the phone hardware is ready for the speeds it's just disabled from the software point of view now we have to think about it like this was it an omission or was it premeditated because if it wasn't a mission we can see a small update coming up shortly but if it was premeditated then I think AT&T is not really ready for these devices getting on the network from the network logistics point of view yeah I mean I think ATT log you it's the same as someone you know in the middle of America buying a verizon LTE device they're not going to LTE service right away yeah but the difference is that verizon will gladly show you an LTE map and say here's where you can get it in here's where you can wear as AT&T is using very generic terminology saying you'll get it if you have enhanced backhaul in your area whatever that means and wherever that is right I agree that that they should be a little bit more transparent uh-huh great minds think alike yeah uh okay great well hopefully there will be some good news about this soon because inspire 4G Atrix 4G are some hot devices but I think a lot of people have their eye on but I'm sure they want to make sure they're making the right choice about whether they do these faster data speeds so let us move on um just a brief note this week samsung finally pushed out the froyo update for the epic 4g in the captivate people have been waiting so long for that to happen and so you know we just want to say congratulations if you have a captivate or an epic 4g you're now living on the bleeding edge of froyo just wait wait for gingerbread yeah gingerbreads the one to watch yum you won't be able to ever get it but if you root your phone you can I thought ice cream is the one we're waiting for now ah yeah well we don't know what ice cream will bring so maybe it'll be a step backwards which isn't likely anyway and speaking of that what do you guys think what do you think Jay is gonna be jello it can't be jello so I Anakin's not gonna be jelly donut so I'm thinking it's gotta be jelly beans why can't it be jello is jealous trademarks oh snap I think jelly bean sounds good to me how many thoughts nope nothing keep thinking but hey Tony have you ever had those jellybeans that taste like cotton candy nope Wow what about you Evan I think I have your fantastic did you ever eat ice cream with mustard and pepperoni what haha joke no I did and I have the picture to prove it okay is it is it good is it one of those weird things that happens tastes good no you actually want to brush your teeth n times five minutes after you eat it so I don't know was this when you were really intoxicated were where you know it's it was part from another part of my life and I just had the opportunity and I couldn't pass I say okay I'm not gonna die tomorrow without eating a mustard and pepperoni ice cream Wow don't ever try that guy's really seriously all right well won't judge you too much on that sounds like it's something I did when you were young a younger Tony yeah so let's move on the HTC arrived which is really the same thing as the seven pro has landed on sprint and i think it was in early january when the HTC arrived trademark hit the US trademark and patent office we were sort of thinking it may be a new version of the sense interface we didn't expect them to call the seven pro the arrived but but here we are it's got the same specs it's got the one gigahertz snapdragon cpu 576 megabytes of ram wvga screen we reviewed the seven pro european version and you can see it right now on the site but this is basically this is basically the same thing except they can't do simultaneous voice and data and its own sprint and it can't do long walks right can't do wimax which is actually kind of surprising how do you guys think this will stack up in terms of other current sprint high-end smartphones although without the 4g it's questionably not their highest well i'm not looking at this from this point of view i'm looking at this from the following two points of view first of all we we've got cdma support for windows phone 7 which was promised at the launch and yay five months after now we finally have it so this is the first one and the second one I mean the arrived and the seven pro are the same it's not that much about hardware but it will open up some new markets to Microsoft Excel windows phone 7 and Windows Phone 7 hardware through carriers to another segment of the market then hopefully this will a little bit boost their sales I think that's what they're what they're hoping for you know exposing a whole new realm of people to Windows Phone 7 and sort of continuing the momentum of the platform which is uh it's good for windows phone 7 I mean the device is great I've played with it at the Mobile World Congress and I think many many people which are not open you bro always hurts when I talk about it haha but those who held back for the dell venue pro or that they can buy it because it sits on AT&T I mean it's it's a great qwerty device now Microsoft only needs to sort out the landscape thing which you guys talked about they think two weeks ago with Adam but else it's it's a great device indeedy well there's not much else to say about the the HTC arrived available three days ago so uh go at available and now sorry i don't think it's available until those we're on pre-order and it will start shipping I don't know exactly when but I know that it's available on pre-order yeah there you go pre-order think it's the 20th edit ships the twentieth of march i believe so when i talked about your dollar it has to be after de novo updates roll out true true because it ships with a copy and paste right exactly alright moving on februari 24th we were talking about yet another another delay of the HTC Thunderbolt this thing was supposed to launch so many different times and it's so funny because you the dates we were talking about for the launch were like februari 24th have 28th and we're complaining about six days well when you're when you're waiting for not your dream phone but the one after that according to HR uh-huh you gotta you gotta you know keep the calendar crossed off when when you're getting close to the release Allison violated what's that I said well played Grandin oh thanks I was at best buy on Friday looking at the zoom and they had an empty lonely sad kiosk for the HTC Thunderbolt with no phone attached so but they had it uh you said yeah do you think they had an inventory um no not now because I mean if the problems with the battery no one's gonna have them you know because they still need to flash them with the new firmware do you think that they ever run into a situation and maybe this is one where HTC a verizon says Oh grab every single every single HTC Thunderbolt that has been produced needs a new rom before it goes out and some some guys in a warehouse somewhere sit there with thousands and thousands of Thunderbolts reflashing them I don't I think it's all automated but yeah I think that does happen I think it can't happen because they go through a field testing process both of the manufactured and at the carrier level so I think it's pretty not possible but this is just me it would seem like I mean it would be so expensive to do and time-consuming and even if they do have an automated process someone's gotta plug the phone in you know take it out of the box and if there's 100,000 phones in a warehouse then someone's going to be really really upset about that but if it turns out that it's one of the carrier customization applications or some carrier customization bit eating the battery then that says no no another story yeah that's true and and don't forget that they could just push in an OTA update so that when people turn on the Thunderbolt it says hey you need to update your software now or your battery lives can be bad yeah that's not real great for the user experience though is it oh no right I'm sorry Emma but let's remember here that I I don't think that they actually announced a date I mean they these are not delays for it's not like verizon said like it's coming out on this day and then it has had to backtrack that these are sort of these are all rumored releases and then the rumored release is kept getting pushed corrector well sometimes we construe rumors as the truth or at least I do personally so hi I'm said well the latest news anyways is that it's not even March for but i think it's March 10 now nah we better move on someone's gonna stop listening because they're so upset uh okay well let us move on let's talk a little bit about iOS so on March second which is going to be wednesday they're going to talk about babying Apple the new iPad but they might also be talking about iOS 4.3 which brings you know if you hear a sound there's a printer in this room being used iOS 4.3 brings these new gestures to the table where you can sort of pinch with five fingers or four fingers to get back to the home screen you can swipe right and left with four fingers and the idea is that 4.3 will be talked about or perhaps even released but but probably not until you know there's new hardware yeah saying this I think we talked about this two weeks ago when I said that it will be pretty difficult you have three or more finger gestures on the iPhones 3.5 inch screen but now in this contest at the context of maybe new hardware with maybe bigger screen maybe three or four finger gestures could be possible that would be great n and with a rumored larger four-point inch screen does a four-pointed for a screen edge-to-edge display I mean then these gestures makes so much more sense when you've got a bigger screen to work with right that would be awesome hey I think it's pretty likely that we'll see a bigger screen on the next iPhone ever the question is will they keep the altar dimension is the same and only make the screen bigger or will the iphone 5 being physically bigger than the iphone 4 I suspect that the resolution will stay this oh you're just talking about the dimensions the phone not the rest yeah screen I think the dimensions will be slightly bigger but that but some of it will be taken up by the screen moving closer to the edges that seems like apple style ok I'm going to do a test here I'm going to measure the width of a 4-inch screen and then put it up next to the iphones 3.5 inch screen and see if it fits within the fits within the confines of the the width and actually it does if they do a true edge to edge screen they would be able to fit let me get the other dimension here they would be able to fit a 4-inch screen of the current hardware now this is a personal question of mine Kenny also measured the that's all pneus and the because we had some rumors that maybe Apple would be ditching the home button could these could a new bigger 4-inch screen fit between the speaker and the home button in case apple can ditch the home button ok so it just so happens that a 4-inch screen is as tall as a credit card so if you hold up a credit card to your iPhone you'll see that they wouldn't have to remove the button they'd have to move the speaker up probably two millimeters they may have to move the the button down a millimeter but it could work now this also depend somewhat on aspect ratio right you can have a four-inch screen that you know a 16 by 9 or you can have a four-inch stats you know 4 by 3 mm-hmm true well they're they're likely to maintain the same aspect ratio the iphone 4 which is I'm not gonna good enough at math to figure that out very good so maybe some cool stuff to come out for iphone peeps on run for what on March second sir seems no no well then you would be a sheep in it that's fine that you know what that now that I own an iphone i can i can make fun even more huh yeah it's a good phone even better if they allowed you to do things on the home screen that you can do on Andrew yeah I just hope they will implement the noise than those gestures oh yeah the nose gestures well I've got a big nose so that would be very functional alright so let's move on one more topic then we're going to take a couple questions on Twitter so there is a android 2.3 point 3 update for the Nexus S which people are saying makes the phone look like it has jaundice which of course is yellow tinted um but then Google saying that it's not a mistake we wanted to warm up the screen a little bit i use the Nexus S or previously use the nexus s for weeks and weeks at a time and definitely compared to other screens it's cold the whites are so white it almost has a blue feel to it but I kind of like it it's very like high-techy few pictures that the colors are kind of off but what do you guys prefer a cooler screen or a warmer screen I'm with you after your email actually I was playing around with the colors on on several of my screens and I had one screen that that looked a lot more cool i thought it was it was wider than the other ones but then I adjusted my center screen somewhat and and I was able to make that have even crisper whites and that made when I previously looked wider looks somewhat warm so I found that I prefer prefer colds a more natural light it seems that code provides better contrast hmm I'd say well okay let me say that I don't like mo super amoled or super amoled blaaah screams and here's why because I don't find the colors to be matching the ones you can see in reality I mean yeah the whites are either bluish or yellowish read this too vibrant text is Jackie but yeah they they offer great contrast and getting back to this color temperature thing i think if i remember well that there was an application or it was some kind of a hack back in the days of nexus one which allowed you to actually adjust the color temperature of your Android smartphone and I think I'm gonna give you the link Brandon to post it so that people can take a look at it sure that'd be great yeah I mean people have their preferences there's there are trade-offs with every screen super amoled amoled and super amoled plus all have ridiculously rich blacks and that's at a trade-off of color quality in some cases that pictures kind of look a little bit artificial um tell you what though HTC's super LCD I think is the perfect sweet spot it's it's on the inspire 4G on the desire HD and a lot of other HTC phones but the blacks are really black they're not as good as Super AMOLED the colors are really really rich much richer than I've seen on any LCD and and it just the screens evenly lit it looks it looks awesome what what screen do you prefer Evan and you're probably going to say retina aren't you yeah I mean I I think that the the retina display is just about the best that I've seen I mean if you ever have it haven't you know sitting on a table when it's on like an angle you know you still have an almost perfect viewing angle so yeah I think it's it's definitely one of the best and but that may be more of apples manufacturing then then actually the quality of the screen just because they were able to get it so close to the glass on top other as you imply there are so many different characteristics of a screen like viewing angle and contrast and power consumption and color reproduction and resolution of course so there's a lot of different variables the manufacturers have to work with and yeah the retina display is is quite nice although if you put it next to like a super amoled the blacks look almost gray on a retina display or kind of a darkish gray I'll have two straight from the back here and say that the for me the best display is LG's Nova display on the optimus black hi it has very very rich colors it has a high brightness level and also deep contrast so I had the occasion to see it in Barcelona compared to apple's iphone 4 display and also compared to my devices displays and it really is great seems that the Nova display is almost a cross between AMOLED and LCD would you say that something like that yeah mm-hmm very good alright so that ends this segment let's uh let's take it to Twitter we've got a handful of questions here none of which I've actually seen before so let's just let's go to this one from the kid 1990 would bata ever become the next palm OS where do you think palm has their game under control because of joining HP well that is to say that bada hmm what bada ever become the next palm OS where do you think palm has the game under control cause of joining yeah what does that mean it it becoming the next Paulo s means that you sort of fade into the sunset yeah I think that's what I think he's asking if if bada is is going the way of palm and it needs to be acquired by a major OEM uh oh no samsung knew exactly what it was doing with bada and and I think so far it it's quite pleased with the results yeah yeah and Samsung has the power to maintain and sustain ba de ya say I mean they're there now probably almost as as formidable as HTC in terms of volume of phones if not if not better so they have they have great management that that that know what they're doing and we have yet to really see much of bada here in the US it's mostly a European thing but I me bada is relatively solid for an OS that is running only on two phones out there let's see next question from I Safari sounds like an Apple user do you think HTC will make a phone that will be a true successor to the evo 4g dual-core betty better video better screen well well certainly HTC is always going to make a phone better than their last generation and if you listen to our last pocket cast we were talking about sort of how disappointed we were an HTC from Mobile World Congress that said there is still a glimmer of hope that at ctia a device like the HTC pyramid will be announced which will bring a dual-core snapdragon processor with a 960 x 540 display so so to answer your question of course they will make a true successor to the evo 4g are there any other contenders guys for the next super high-end HTC phone besides the pyramid I can't think of any because whatever we have on the market is single core and now okay android is not fully supporting dual-core at the moment but it's where the future is it's where everybody is going to so I think the pyramid is the next big thing we might see in maybe 11 month oh sure sounds about right what do you think having anything a better or equivalent to what could be the pyramid coming out from HTC better than a pyramid yeah um yeah of course um the HTC is always going to have some some high-end phones coming out and I imagine that will see some at ctia next month but specifically we don't we haven't seen spy shots or specs or anything besides pyramid so the specific follow-ups of the evo 4g I you know meaning something on sprint you know why max power device I I just don't know sure sure so how can I turn there wasn't use but this weekend which came from and gadget and it was talking about some HTC droid incredible 2 yes well appearing on verizon systems now we had the Incredible S which was launched at the Mobile World Congress and they were all speculating about this being maybe a u.s. Bryant how about this new device would be actually the pyramid hmm I feel like yet you're talking about the incredible too yeah I feel like that's going to be like The Incredible S so you so that you know well we'll have to see but it it seems that it's it's not going to be there super high-end phone that we're all going to lust after very good let's move on to we've got two more questions that I want to cover so we keep this around 60 minutes from Joker Chris 2000 do you think the new smartphones and tablets are worth they're very expensive pricing they cost as much as a cheap pc well you know Joker christian octave must been must not have been around you know a dozen years ago when when a cheap pcs were a thousand bucks yeah yeah and don't forget that high-end smartphones have always been extremely expensive unsubsidized right when they come out and if you look at like the HTC universal when it came out I think maybe 2004 it was a thousand bucks and today we're seeing pricing on the new HTC phones around a thousand bucks and it's it's always going to be that way um and you know uh yeah that's I think you have to look at it from this perspective smartphones and tablet these days are x two computers in small size and everything which is produced in miniature packed into this I don't know 100 and something meters per 50 something millimeters is a miniature of something which you are running on your computer because you have some dual-core processors right now which which were in the PCH some ten ten years ago or something we're talking about one gigabytes of RAM and I think yeah you actually hold your your computer in your hand and for that you have to pay the price exactly but the thing that kind of is annoying for the consumer is that consumers of the future will have a smartphone a tablet a laptop and maybe a desktop so it's not like we can buy a smartphone and it replaces all these things there's just you know there's a price for being mobile yeah exactly absolutely um the next question I need to do a second of research on a question is from Mad Max HD what happened to the AT&T nexus s I want one on AT&T 3g and on negri electronics either on pre-order but there is no date I'm trying to see after how many months from the t-mobile nexus one the 18 exes one was real it's definitely still coming we've seen it in quite a few um agency databases already oh I think it would be within the next month yeah and again I don't you know it's not going to be sold subsidized through 320d probably yeah it's going to be same price you know 529 maybe but we can bring that in a little bit so let's see it looks like go I'm going what's gonna say C January see genuine 27 I think they were all right yeah it came out January 27 that the t-mobile nexus one and then federer tree March April looks like a about three months after we saw the 18 tiver ssion so if you look at the Nexus S applying the same general idea it was released in mid-february about year later to be exact so it looks like if there's going to be a nexus one for for eighteen t it would happen early May maybe in April who knows maybe even in March so it is probably most likely coming as Evan said by just a matter of waiting a little bit and let's not forget that it had already passed FCC yeah it's I think the the model number is GT i 9020 or something like that yeah 9020 a yeah right 9020 a very good so that is coming so thank you guys that have asked questions on Twitter and thank you evan and Tony for joining the the pocket cast here and I don't think there are any final thoughts anything happening this week of note besides a potential bit of news about iOS 4.3 that you can think of mm maybe maybe we can have a surprise lunch for the Thunderbolt yeah that's probably the only possibility out there maybe the is the HTC merge potentially coming out this week mm I don't think so it's close though it's and Verizon systems now it's taking pictures on picasa it's showing up and you know it's gotten all certifications that's another another block I mean know what I'm wondering those is um where are these samsung phones that we saw at CES the the 4g LTE on verizon and then infuse on ATT well I asked around that the verizon booth and they just kept on telling me that it will come but no timeframe was was soon is the is the verizon 4g samsung phone at 4.5 inch screen no no let's confuse what's interesting is that it's unclear what the model number of this verizon phone is um everyone thinks it's the i five 20 but i was looking at pictures the other day and that that engadget took in their hands on and on about screen the phone itself reports being the i 510 and we know that there are two phones out there on I 5 10 and and I 520 and presume you know both those model numbers would seem to make them you know right for a verizon so I'm thinking that that perhaps the the 4g LTE is the 510 and then maybe the 520 is the is going to be the follow-up to the fascinate so you know whatever verizon's version of the galaxy s2 is good detective work absolutely very good stuff all right guys well that concludes the pocket cast number five thanks for listening thanks ron is burnin sure our invitation bye bye adios