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hey everyone welcome to the seventh pocketnow podcast I'm Brandon minimun editor-in-chief of pocketnow.com also on the line we have Evan managing editor of pocket now say hi hi guys hi Brandon hey and we've got Tony senior editor for pocket now say hi Tony hey guys hey Brandon have a nice to be here yes indeed so sounded very authentic thank you very much did you as always it was that written down before you yeah I rehearsed some one hour before so I have everything every topic in my head on paper ready to go live okay even the greeting even greeting will ever want to appreciate that so it turns out that we need a theme song for for the pocket cast and we want to do Jennifer Lopez's new song on the floor featuring pitbull but there may be some copyright issues with that you're using the royal we I assume the what the royal we which means you and not the rest of us yeah I don't like that song either haha you don't like that song why don't you why don't you like that song it's gonna be so hot I know it's gonna be hard but first of all it's a remix of an 85 I think it was 85 already 89 even it was called Lambada and I know yeah the tunes are okay it's remix but couldn't Jennifer Lopez come up with something original you know musics not about originality it's about you know selling music and getting people interested with a right club Mia you know cool club back bead and a rapper and a you know yeah right the beats are okay I mean big bullies okay but it's maybe she's right something which sold like crazy 120 years ago will sell like crazy again 20 years after ah are you talking about the the course with the I can't sing so I'm not gonna try but maybe I should help with the accordion you know da-da-da-da-da exactly yeah that's the song from 89 and it's called Lambada and let me just look it up I think the original artist on that one was a Portuguese artist yeah right here it's from 1989 and some recorded by the French pop group called coloma with the Liam vocalist low alva bras so i don't know if i spelled right well they're not following you it also sounds like that new shakira song it has the same sound something like that yeah we should do a poll havin do you know the shakira song i'm talking about no i think the difference though is that well maybe not i mean should care married with kids and I mean either seems like neither of these women should be should be singing about you know getting drunk on the dance floor what would I could say um yeah but uh anyway I think we should move on but this song is it's pretty catchy and if you haven't heard it yet and you like sort of Club you know techno like music with a little bit of pop you like it so we were getting some requests to release the pocket cast on Google listen well Google listen isn't a host it is just an application Tony you know more about this right yeah it's a free application it's on the Google market I also made a video this week no I think it was at the end of last week what you have to do basically is go into the Google market search for google listen it's a free app downloaded to your Android smartphone and if you follow the steps which I've outlined in my video add the certain RSS feed to your subscriptions then you will automatically get all the new episodes as we release them yeah and what we're going to start doing is put the is putting the the feed directly into the post about the pocket cast so you can you can see it right there that's kind of long and you can you know copy and paste that into your interior Google listen to listen to the the pocket cast on and is there is there any any other place where we are not present with the bucket kissed we've got android itunes soon directly on radio yet we're not only really haven't heard of some serious we're on our way to the radio we'll have to look into that and then maybe on TV yeah but that makes us look you tube center to me youtube is the new TV is surprised they haven't made a youtube branded TV yet huh isn't that what Google to you yes oh yeah they did do that Google TV um anyhow so what are we starting today with gentlemen well I'm hearing that you had a look at the incredible s yeah tell me how it is because everybody's crazy about the incredible s especially that is coming to the US yeah you know the incredible s sort of by itself is a good is a great device kind of like the Nexus S by itself is a great device kind of like the nexus one by itself as a great device but if you compare it to what else is out there right now it's not so impressive anymore and if you look at the price it's a little less impressive when you consider the price so you know we rated it a three-point no actually three out of five because compared to the other phones that are out there right now The Incredible S has last year's specs and last year software doesn't even ship with Gingerbread at this moment in time so kind of lukewarm on it overall but it's got the intelligent buttons but it has the intelligent buttons which will amaze and amuse your friends all night long so so that's a so we're all just waiting for the evo 3d now I guess or for HTC to step it up yeah yeah the evo 3d on sprint potentially announcing at ctia or the pyramid which may actually be somewhat related to the evo 3d we'll find out we will find out okay next thing we want to talk about we talked about this a little bit last time about Android force closing and sort of how often it happens to you we we did a poll on pocket now and the choices were or the question start with the question how often does your Android force close the options were 44 fold several times per day once per day one to two times per week and rarely a third of people that responded said it happens either once per day or more and other third said it happens one or two times per week and another third set rarely in your experience guys how often do your Android's force close when you use 14 for a while meaning force close the app that you're currently on or background apps anything just when you see that dialogue well I mean I have that program what's it called kill them all or whatever so it I have it set to regularly to kill the processes so i'm not sure but i think it doesn't like every half hour and it's fine with me I rarely see it killing the app that's in the forefront right right how about you Tony well you know me I'm not an android guy but i've been using android for approximately four or five months last year after the HTC Desire came to the market and in those four or five months I haven't actually seen an error or a force close so um and this ship this reminds me of Adam because I see so many tweets and so many posts from him his Android devices just just keep on dying yeah horse blows errors and it never happened to me I mean yeah it's stable it's true that I never rooted one I never installed so many applications but basic email or other applications like Twitter beep don't die on me yeah yeah me too I think as you imply the better applications out there the the ones that get a lot of downloads because they're supported by big companies they are very very stable if you download you know a fart app created by you know 14 year old who was messing around with code one afternoon you might get a force close here and there I'm also surprised when i hear adam say how often his androids force close especially the mail program so yeah the mail program you know strange i don't know what it is it's a power user he puts us to shame yeah he he he simultext as kyocera you know i created the term he somehow manages to run two apps in parallel on the same screen perhaps anyway um let's just move on from that so let's see on march 7th we were talking about nokia getting paid a billion dollars to align with microsoft and windows phone 7 and this was kind of new information this is although I was suspected that that they got paid if not the figure wasn't known do you think that this figure is higher than the expectation or lower I think it's probably right around what people were thinking in in a billion dollar range you know yeah I mean it had to be it had to be a big number and Microsoft you know certainly has cash lying around and the need for our partners so that you know it seems like with this new information nokia becomes a bit more of a winner in this although I'm still not sure how it's gonna play out for them in the long run yeah i mean what it's going to presumably increase its research and development with this billion dollars and make make everything happen faster but oh my wow billion dollars that's a that's a lot of research and development Wow yeah I mean I think you know the probably used some of the money maybe to pay off some debt and I know that they had to use at least part of the money to to bribe some of their their simian developers I must put aside their me go developers to stay to the end of the year so that because I guess they're they're really um they're fearing them a brain drain so to speak where where people are leaving because you know that these developers they don't want to work on Windows 17 but but nokia still has me go device coming out this year and obviously it needs developers to to support the software on that device so in some cases apparently it's offering i think twice people's salaries for anything over for them to stick around through you know then december yeah it could absolutely help with the with the developer support and you know microsoft even spent a lot of money on developers before the launch of windows phone 7 sending out the brand new devices to them potentially paying some of the big companies to make Windows Phone 7 apps so that's a that's definitely a big consideration Wow okay so here's here's how I see things and i'm going to start jerk mode as usual or start evil mode i'm going to say that microsoft paid 1 billion that's the news we will never know whether it be half a billion or two billion I'd say that some people could look at it like this Microsoft Paint ten percent more than Google good one too I'm seeing this let's say 1 billion as a short to medium term loan nokia is having some financial problems adopting windows phone 7 as a primary platform requires lot of investments in the development departments in the production lines and so on and so forth let's not forget that at the keynote steven you up and Steve Ballmer both said that there are certain keys from the ecosystem of Microsoft going to nokia and from Nokia coming to Microsoft and we have been coming and going we have Nokia Maps dld maps coming and going so Microsoft might pay this amount for some certain services which we see or which we do not see from Nokia to come to them additionally let's not forget that Nokia will pay certain licensing fees for every Windows Phone 7 they will produce and they will sell on the market so a huge part of this amounts will come back to Microsoft and this is where I said that it might be a short or medium term loan so good when do we could see this from from lots of perspectives now whether it's 1 billion more or less we will never find out but I'm sure that the it's more than Google could have paid do we know how much Oh a.m. sharp aying microsoft to license windows phone 7 honestly I don't know what I will look it up and maybe even boast about this one that'd be great I think for windows mobile I don't know the exactly what I think was twenty to forty dollars per unit that you know HDC would pay to Microsoft when they sold windows for windows mobile device okay let's say the amount remain the same and there was a news last week that Nokia is targeting to convert approximately 200 million symbian users to Windows Phone by the end of 2014 when I hopeful i multiply that even half of that with twenty dollars a piece and see what I'm talking about my calculator doesn't display that many numbers let's see here 200 I'm really bad at math let me see 200 times 20 times a million that's a lot of zeros capture and we've got let's see wow that's a big number um what forty billion dollars yeah they will most probably not make 200 million symbian users go no i phone they will maybe make a fourth or fifth part of that but i think that will still cover the 1 billion which microsoft paid to nokia well let me ask you guys a question do you think that the average simeon user in europe because you know that i'd say that's where the average sabine user is would would prefer to to move to Windows Phone 7 or prefer to move to Android it all depends if we're talking today they will most probably move to Android if we are talking in late october november or december when we will see some nokia hardware with Windows Phone 7 and mango then maybe they might turn to to nokia and two windows phone 7 yeah yeah it's all about the hardware as as we like to say Nokia's got to make some awesome windows phone 7 hardware I mean is it is a symbian is user devotion to the nokia brand or to the symbian brand there's there's um users that are devoted to both but my porn here is that is that I think Nokia made the wrong choice and and I hope that billion dollars was worth it because I think in the long run it could have done a lot better off becoming an Android OEM then then I'm windows phone 7 you know even if if outwardly it says it's going to be able to distinguish itself more because there are less and you facturers less phones on the market I mean it still seems like it came down to a matter of money and you know Microsoft was willing and you know had the had a reason to pay more than an Android which is which is taken off like a rocket whether it pays people to use it or not yeah I mean this is very important move for for Microsoft and when that happens they unload their a barrel of cash and that's what they did here so uh cool let us move on so iOS 4.3 was released for the iphone on it looks like march nice so actually last Wednesday Tony you can start it on your iPhone what do you think about it hmm interesting question now most of our listeners and readers probably know that I don't have that much experience with the Apple iOS and Apple devices I've got my iphone for last week or it was the two weeks ago I've used iOS 4.2 4.1 for three or four days before 4.3 came online now there were a couple of things which Apple advertised about it number one was a faster Safari due to some improvements in the Java section I can tell you that it's probably not visible to the eye but if our listeners have checked our comparison between the LG optimus 7 and the samsung omnia 7 if i was to load the same pages in sync between either of the windows phone 7 devices and the iphone I'd see the iphone would load them faster so definitely Safari is faster than them internet explorer in its current version on windows phone 7 another one was the personal hotspot feature which many many many users have have wanted and I've just discussed this with the Evan this morning that was asking because he has an iphone for way longer than I do right after I received the update I had the personal hotspot option available and I think I've even showed it to you Brandon and ever since yesterday it vanished from my phone they don't find it in settings I don't find it so it vanished I even I resented i reinstalled everything I reinstall the applications i restored from backup and it turns out that well reading on the forums my carrier does not support tethering even more my carrier doesn't even support iPhones so the big question is why was personal hotspot in the settings working and tested I better to an Android device and it was working and then the other day it's vanished so it's a big question for me wow that's and some crazy stuff I wonder how the carrier presumably remotely disable your tethering I realize you went through this I'm sorry can we well I don't know it's it's a such a small and new cat carrier here in Romania that I don't think that they even know about tethering and iOS 4.3 with all due respect to this carrier I'm talking about they only sell or let's say they give out free feature phones from Chinese companies like that te and Hugh way we so they're really on the start maybe as you imply that maybe they they saw some activity on the network ever since 4.3 came out they made the connection and they disabled it hmm but I would have to be Apple that did that because this the first carrier doesn't even offer the iphone 4 it's gonna have no way to access people's iphones on its network right then how would exactly Apple disable it on my phone not even knowing that i'm using his smartphone on an unknown network so many question marks here and another thing which which is new in the iOS 4.3 which i'm about to test then I will even post a video on pocketnow.com is about wireless sharing of your library from itunes to your smartphone so i will make a video and check that out somewhere this week on pocket naw Kham another thing if you could check out engadget was posting about how to enable those hidden multi-touch gestures in iOS 4.3 they posted about for the ipad but i'm sure it could work on the on the ids is the same thing do you have do you have to jailbreak your device but yeah which is something you know I never root level jailbreak and I never install harliss feel but I will I will try to do that that make a video demonstration that would be really really cool touche me after jailbreak it to do that but I guess it's not the worst thing in the world okay that's that's Apple that's Apple a shame i think it's great the first thing i do with these devices is jailbreak them even if you don't do anything after that he just jailbreak it yeah I was gonna say I mean when I first jailbroke the iphone there was i didn't have a need to do it you know I I wasn't even using any jailbroken apps or functionality it was just sort of like I don't want to have doesn't it's not completely open to me at least theoretically helps me sleep at night I I was just gonna say it helps you breathe it helps your uh your lung capacity somehow yeah um that made no sense let's move on shall we um so ctia is coming up Evan what day do you leave its next week right yeah I believe it's the 20th you are leaving this sunday and we expect to see at least something from HTC the nexus s 4g and the evo 3d from Sprint and now posted last week we're talking about potentially two new LG devices although we only have a hunch of what one could be which is the tmobile g2x interest I really new I'm sorry oh god it's gonna say I mean that's that's not really a new device it's a device we already know about that's that's been granted for a domestic carrier yeah so so confirmation that we will indeed see that and we really haven't talked much about the g2x it will be I of course a t-mobile version of the optimus 2x a dual-core LG phone and this is yet another example of a carrier taking a brand the G brand and having other OEMs not just one come out with the hardware for it so we had the the g one which is HTC the g2 which was HTC and now the g two x which is going to be GG and you don't forget the G tablet which is also LG ah there you go the G tablet so it's always interesting to see how the carrier's sort of use branding and change their strategy for that do you think if HTC had at this moment a dual core smartphone that maybe t-mobile would have went with his brand of for the g and with HTC as OEM probably right I don't I think it all depends on the carrier's relationships with the manufacturers at a given moment and right now it's a half history right t-mobile and HTC yeah yeah but for for a device like but you know what's essentially going to be um I'm thinking of the the evo 3d well I mean I would assume that if that's a dual-core device you know that may have been on the table for four tmobile as well but it seems like HTC is is putting some of their their best stuff on spur first right at the point maybe that that relationship has been the most fruitful for them you know even if even if you know HTC has a has a dual core phone coming out at ctia it's very possible that LG said hey we can get this you know optimus 2x ready sooner for you t mobile and HTC said we won't be ready for this until the summer time and t-mobile wanted they need to have a super powerful phone on their on their in their portfolio because you've got verizon coming up with a dual core smartphone you've got eighteen t with dual core sprint is going to have these new these new devices and so t-mobile needed something to compete yeah I think also wasn't wasn't t-mobile the first to launch with an optimist one variant here in the US with the optimus t I think yes right that's obviously been successful for them so you know that you know what why not go back to LG for for more stuff there you go it's fun to figure stuff out here so we do at least we're trying we see yeah we may be completely wrong about everything but we pretend like we know what we're talking about all right let's move on iOS 5.0 rumors are starting although they've been around for probably months now as soon as you know one version is released we're already talking about the next and it's possible that there could be an event in April where where they talk about not only the iphone 5 but iphone or iOS 5 point what is on your wish list guys for for iOS 5.1 thing they must include in this new version of the software well i think is the gestures having to jailbreak for for the multi finger gestures is a little bit crazy we have talked about gestures i think for a couple of months now and we were all hyped up that the 4.3 will bring them and there's no gestures in stock 4.3 so we might see gestures on five point oh but i don't think there will be an event in april my personal opinion is that we will see an announcement of iOS 5 at the same moment or at least a little bit preceding the announcement for the next generation of iphone because there will be some other implications it's not going to be only the software it's going to be tied to the hardware too so this is how I see things when was the UM the iphone 4 event anyone remember what month it was in juneau july i think i can find out in two seconds well actually it's good beer you have access to the internet world yeah they they installed it just yesterday what's under that what does internet here it is okay it was really ok announced june seventh 2010 ok and then it went on sale at the end of june or in july jun 24 ok that's sort of interesting so Apple went from from quite a big lead with the first iphone i mean it was announced in january and it didn't come out till june of that year 22 less than a month now yeah and one of the one of the manufacturers they just weapons against um against the sites like ours and engadget gizmodo or all the other phone sites is that the one of their weapons against um these leaks of products is that they've been announcing and they're on their upcoming devices a lot earlier than in the past you know I remember Apple used to an end that still does sometimes it that launched them devices on the same day that they go on sale and and that seems to be less the case on both with apple and other manufacturers now you know we saw all these devices at CES that that weren't going to be ready for months and and and I think it makes it easier for the manufacturers and the carriers to UM sort of beat beat us at our own game yeah if you look at a the release cycle given the iPad it was it was released on april third 2010 but it was announced in in march sort of around the same time the ipad 2 was announced in 2011 and now you know Steve Jobs was talking about a device that was shipping one week later so so sort of this this tightening of release cycles between announcement and release is definitely getting smaller hopefully we have thankfully some leaks from China and Hong Kong and from the supply chain which can give us early indications of what's coming yeah thank goodness for those bras it was to go if I can just open for another minute because um it there's obviously the benefit to manufacturers for for an ounce and earlier but there's there's also a huge drawback and that's that that people aren't going to be as excited or is willing to put money down for current generation devices if they know that in you know a month two months even three months you know most people could hold out for for something that they know is going to be a lot better and probably the same price as as hardware that's out today so what do you think the ideal threshold is to not only prevent leaks but to keep consumer excitement up not sure actually it wasn't ugly model sorry no one I mean you're you're never going to be able to to keep these devices out of the hands of testers and the people who are building them and whatever so so there's always going to be leaks in the matter when you launch I think you're never going to get rid of that but I mean that I think that what you asked is a calculation that each company has to do you know based on their sides and their current product portfolio and how much they need a hit and there's so many variables that that play into that calculation I don't think it's going to be the same for each company I like to approach my world with you know one one end or the other and i would say that there there is an ideal threshold and i think it's probably one week or two weeks because of course what happens is when HDC announces phones that aren't going to be ready for two three four months that really influences people's buying decision they already know what HTC is coming down the pipe like four months from now but if you go with the company that releases things or announces things and then releases them almost immediately it's almost like you want to hold out longer to see what that company has in store rather than buy the product that was announced three months ago which now seems kind of stale remember though Brandon that that the later in the in the production cycle that the product gets announced that the more people that have had their hands on it more people have been testing it the more likely it love been to have been leaked you know what I mean if you're if you're announcing a product today that's going to be launched in a week or two you know there's there's already boxes of that product probably in manufacturers warehouses well I'm so in factory warehouse is well you know if you announced a couple months ahead of time it's much less likely that there's going to be good spy shots of the products I mean if we look at some of the stuff that got announced at CES some of it we just didn't we've never seen you know the droid bionic we had no idea about the inspire 4G well I mean that's basically a desire HD at that that wasn't even known about until the day before hand so so they're they're doing a good job with with these with these with these large gaps um stuff is you know that it's being it's effective in that in that respect and that there's there's less stuff leaking out ahead ahead of time nowadays do you guys remember in time when this stuff didn't happen I mean there were these you know consumer electronics there were there was a new computer at least and the companies would it hold a press event for it and there wouldn't be spy shots they just released the thing and put it up for sale when they were they were done yeah well wouldn't have a name that consumers could remember either you know it wasn't until i think motorola really changed this with with their with their razor and their riser and whatnot but but most consumer electronics used to be named by these look long you know model numbers now it's only recently that that every single phone has a real you know english name and Ahmed's them that's extended to other products too and they're very feel good names like the inspire and the oh yeah the incredible and this you know the desire desire yeah it's so funny I want to hear like the razor edge or the scalpel or something they did have a scalpel the SCP I'll the Moto Snapple oh yeah the the feature phone yeah but there are a few things I want to say here that the first one is that sometimes or maybe even most of the times leaking out a shot or picture or a design of an upcoming device is in the best interest of the OEM and in many many cases we see even OEM doing the leaks themselves remember me I think it was the thunderbolt which got the leaks directly from HTC this is number one and getting back to brendans question which was the optimal threshold for for leaking out or for announcing for between announcing and availability I think it's one or two weeks I agree with that and it's definitely not what's happening with the verizon Thunderbolt I mean I don't know with all the hype around it for like six months who's gonna actually buy the device yeah let's let's talk about the Thunderbolt it's been delayed yet again and the days are considered a delay if if there no it was never announced when it was going to launch so any of these supposed to delays or just internal yeah but they write the perception was that it was going to be released maybe februari and somehow that perception was treated and I think it's the way the company was talking about the product you're right they never officially announced a date but it's all about perception and people think that this phone is just late it's it's nothing official but it's hurting the product and it's hurting the bread yeah it is a little bit there so so March seventeenth I we've heard that date from a lot of different places and that seems to be that's in three days from now seems to be via the time it'll hit ok lr was seared Oh continue sorry I'll receive a lot of hate mail I'm just going to say that I don't believe there will be a march seven theme for the funderbolt the one of them well why is that because there was a certain interview or they was a certain statement from from the CEO of horizon I think and there were some problems besides the battery problem which was rumored verizon might have some problems with the LTE infrastructure itself they might have those models ready and going they might have the service in certain regions of the states but I don't think that a certain battery problem build problem application problem could create such a big hype and such a big delay even if it's delay from a rumor I iris I sort of almost respect that that a company wouldn't ship a product that couldn't take advantage of a new technology because I am increasingly frustrated and I bring this up every week Evan knows Yeah right I didn't even have to wait for you to bring it up tonight it's got to happen every time I was on a conquest this weekend to find hspa+ it's like Where's Waldo okay so I I drove from Philadelphia to New York I happen to be going to to a wedding but that really wasn't the most important part haha i was i was on a quest to find the hspa+ I benchmarked in the outer part of Pennsylvania all through New Jersey and up into brooklyn Long Island and and also there's another Island i was i was present in and and no there was no hspa+ there is no AT&T 4g and if anyone out there has experienced their hspa+ network please send us a benchmark picture because i'm still getting at best one point five megabits per second down and like 200 kilobits per second up and I and I take out any other phone on AT&T 3g network and i get double triple those speeds it's just so funny that the phone that's supposed to be faster is slower but this is somewhat normal brendan if you if you remember two weeks ago we have talked about the inspire 4G having a registry edits or registry tweak applies to disabled the best beads now of course the carrier went on saying that they are not capping speeds and they're everywhere with the high-speed infrastructure but i think that the software itself has a limitation which does not allow you to take full advantage of the higher speeds which the carrier offers well here's the thing about that the the limitation of the hsupa which is limiting the upload speeds that is a 3g technology I don't really care about 3g this isn't a 3g phone this is a 4g phone it's almost a moot point that's so you're not even getting downloads what's that you're not even getting download speeds what do you mean I mean is your download even lower than it would be on a non 4g device it is but to be honest I don't really care I wanted to just be 4g I don't care if it's you know not 3g although it's insulting that it's not even 3g it's like a 2.5 g phone so the hsupa thing doesn't bother me that much I don't think that's the real story the real story is that AT&T or at least 2 4g phones when there is no 4g it's it's not it's not in existence and its really bothersome but i think we should move on because i think we've said enough um yeah we're never gonna get another review unit if we keep bad-mouthing yeah yeah yeah hopefully AT&T is not listening I've had a lot of good experience with 18 teams in the past but this this 4G thing is rub me the wrong way I don't think they they are we to get to the market oh absolutely i mean that's the story here verizon's taking their time because they want to make sure they get it right and you know there's a competitive advantage to being first and to getting it out you know before another company and isn't this hurting more AT&T than if let's say they would have waited two or three months it's tough to say but that would be my guess I don't know again I'm Brennan we've talked about this before we're sort of in this in this bubble here where we think that that the whole world knows about these little issues that we talk about but the fact is that that they really don't and I think the average consumer needed to see AT&T do something even you know they're not running bandwidth cats they just want to see that that AT&T is in the game at that you know sprint and rising into mobile are in yeah I agree to some extent although if you're buying and inspire 4G or especially an Atrix 4G you've got to be somewhat aware of what's going on and and you're probably likely to think about running a speed test because you must be curious about your 4g phone well anyway let us let us move on awesome alone let's move on on March 11th talking about skyfire four-point-oh coming to android we've talked about skyfire before and it's been interesting to watch the company about just you know two or three years ago skyfire if you thought a sky fire you thought of speed they did server-side rendering to allow pages to through faster and on windows mobile it was a very very good experience and then they changed their model than they had a iOS release that cost I think it was one or two dollars that some people like some people didn't and they're sort of new model is that they they kind of put a twist on web browsing there's a little bar on the bottom where you can share your web pages which I'm not even sure anyone wants to do you know it's nice to email a page but he's really going to tweet facebook chat you know read later all these different things on a in a browser I don't know and they also added you know video playing flash your video playing so it didn't really work too well in the beginning on iOS at least it would extract the video open up a dedicated player and stream you the content so that we lost in you or yeah or it wouldn't even work but that was in the beginning have you have either of you tried skyfire on iOS recently I have no how is it I shouldn't say recently but I did try a couple a couple weeks or months after um after it was released on iOS and after they had given it an update you know a chance and it did work a little better but there was so quite a few videos that it just timed out on and in general I mean that's that's not the type of browsing experience I'm looking for you know for me good flash integration is being able to do it in the page now i am in sort of a separate fabric player and i also want to be able to see other other implementations of flash other than just videos which I aren't that probably more important to me on a on a day-to-day browsing basis like I'm on video uses a flash plus the the older version of or i should say the older model of skyfire used to on you know you used to run like silver light and job it just had you know it was really full featured a night and it became a lot less full-featured and they started charging for it and and they kind of support for some of their old users so in my mind sky fires just started making one mistake after another and they can afford it i guess because people are buying this browser left and right yeah I mean the they were the first third-party browser for iOS isn't that right I believe opera mobile was first drop of mini and then not open the door Chris got fire yeah but I think sky fire was the first one to claim to be able to do flash and that was that earlier that was great marketing I mean people wanted to that's a story you can tell and and that's probably why skyfire for iOS has been relatively successful although users aren't you know you nanima the what's that word you Nana Melissa T unanimously unanimously thank you everybody that word in regard to school you oh man anyhow so if it worked out word on the street is that they're going to start charging for their android version with the next skyfire four-point-oh and that there will be killer features now guys what can you think of that would be a killer feature and a web browser oh it all depends I'm the other way around Evan said that he likes flash integration into the web page now no I don't like that because if you have flash integration in your Safari or in your opera or in your sky fire you have all the ads and all the flash animations which one make your device lower to bump up your data consumption and three lower your battery usage I like the way Safari implements a separate viewing of let's say YouTube videos which are embedded in a page number two we are heading towards a new standard which is html5 and html5 everybody knows that is rather competitive and it's it will be kicking some Adam flesh but so what I'm saying here that it it all comes down to user preference Evan most likely will probably pay for a skyfire version for because he likes integration of flesh into this pages and he doesn't want to go outside of the browser to see a video i will most we not do that because I prefer to have a clean look of the page and control what's playing and was changing on that surging page I wish I could get my money back for that I paid for skyfire already I'm not being good there you know so Evan what do you think's a killer feature that sky fire could have in four point 0 for android could be maybe extensions or yeah you know extensions widgets whatever you want to call it that something that that brings in an API some some user develop content I'm sort of like what what fire box right on Android yeah yeah that's that's exactly what comes to mind but they they're still in beta mode with the Firefox for Android a really cool browser that allows you to plug in some extensions like you can for firefox on the desktop but they've been taking their sweet sweet sweet sweet time with coming up with the final version and I think a lot of people want it so you know I'm people donating their time right I mean it's not it's not a company / say like well it is a company Mozilla but but but a lot of this is volunteer work you know these people just people have other jobs coding in your spare time as opposed to to a sky fire and opera where you know those are our for-profit companies that are better you know working on this day in a day out right well if the you know those contributing to Mozilla can make an awesome browser like Firefox for which I recommend to anyone listening it's really come a long way hopefully they can get their get their act together to do to do the mobile version to answer my own question what would be a killer feature in a mobile browser I think it's two things one really really really good tab of management and I think that you know dolphin HD has really good tab management with tabs on the top but that that paradigm doesn't always work because there's not enough screen screen real estate there's none of pixels set to have a desktop like browsing experience the way HTC the way Apple does tabs is so annoying you have to go into another screen you filter between them it's not fast enough ish so I want to see awesome tab management number two I want to see just a really good rendering engine we have these very powerful devices and yet if you go to a long page with lots of graphics like engadget and you flick down really fast even on the iphone 4 even on the Nexus S you get some of that checkerboards which is just kind of annoying and surprising at this point so those are the two things that I think skyfire should could innovate on but they're going to have like all these features and these buttons and well we'll see what happens with that right do okay let us move on the next thing we wanted to talk about Samsung Infuse 4G Oh another AT&T 4G phone but but this time it's got a 4.5 inch screen oh one of the largest screens if you don't consider the dell streak to come to smartphones and it's got a very thin bezel so it's a relatively pocketable device do you guys think that uh means the infuse 4g is gonna be big well gary said it was big brandon its work ah there you go but I'm um we got to have some sound effects next time so we can fit to the drum because I think it'll be big and I think it'll be popular again you know they're there was a question when remember when that the hd2 came out you know or the touch HD or whatever you know where people going to are people going to be into a 4.3 inch screen and they totally work you know and that became the norm in fact so so if they can keep basically the same form factor just bring the screen closer to the edges yeah I don't see any reason why people wouldn't want a device like that I i agree i think that a bigger is better to a point in terms of smartphone screens and you know 4.3 inches is such a great size compared to even four-point inch four-point-oh inch I know some people will disagree the iphones 3.5 inch screen seems so small but 4.5 it may be a little too big maybe maybe not what do you think Tony well it's for me at least personally it is it is too big because my sweet spot is somewhere around 3.7 3.8 and I think that everything beyond 4 is too big we're seeing a certain trend smartphones get larger and larger screens and tablets get smaller and smaller screens so we might see a point where these two might reach the same diagonal but honestly a 4.5 inch screen will be at least as big as the dell venue pro or the samsung galaxy s2 even bigger and that's a huge plastic bulk to carry around even if it's thin even if it's light it's a huge screen there's no more privacy everybody sees what you what you have on your screen so maybe it comes down to personal preference I wouldn't buy a 4.5 inch screen phone yeah um hmm I gotta bring this up I just saw a article hit the hit our Twitter from into mobile this this looks interesting it has to do with 4g on AT&T I just got it I got it I got a gun so that the topic is eighteen t 4G network is anything but 4G they've got some quotes here from pc magazine here's the quote from pc magazine AT&T is lying about 4g shamelessly the companies to quote 4g phones and it's quote 4g modem don't deliver 4g even by AT&T zone wishy-washy standards unfortunately there's no such thing as the 4g police and 18 tds going to get away with the basing the term and confusing consumers to everyone's disadvantage and they they cite the atrix 4g and the inspire 4g all right sorry but I had to I just I said bad too okay let's take some questions on Twitter the first one here will will send to the Tony it's from mr. kazoo can you remote desktop in windows phone 7 and if not is this a feature we're likely to see in the future well there's an application which is I believe fade and it costs a lot of money beyond I think nineteen or twenty dollars which allows you to remote desktop with your windows 7 and if there's a certain man that will probably make a video of it it works pretty much like all other remote controlling gatwick issues it connects to your desktop and it all comes down to this queen-size you can control the applications your desktop basically from your windows phone 7 if it comes natively on Windows Phone 7 from Microsoft or a third party application for free I'd say no or at least not in the near future because you know yeah go on I'll just connect what is the name of this application well I'm going to look it up and we will have to post the link to the marketplace link in our post with a bucket guest that'd be great I've seen it it's it's a it's pretty expensive for what it does I mean I don't want to base some fifteen or twenty bucks for for an application just to control my pc remotely I don't want to do that yeah yeah I mean remote desktop on on a phone is sort of magic the first time you do it because you get this link you get the start menu on the bottom or if you're using a Mac you get the you know the other components of the Mac but doc and whatnot and it's just so interesting because it's like I mean three or four years ago when you could do this on a smartphone it was so futuristic but the truth is that there's almost no almost no use for desktop in most cases on a phone it's cold exactly remote desktop I'm having I'm looking at it right now it costs 1499 and well I don't want to pay that amount for for controlling my desktop even if it's from the kitchen or from the other way get a part of the city yeah it's just a little bit too much there next question is from mobile Dom simple question for me is your LG Panther still working and do you still use it the answer is no the LG Panther was a developer device ceded to certain developers back in the summer and I used it for a period of time did some videos but then I sent it back to the guy that that sent it to me tony has a tailor which of course was the other windows phone 7 device are you getting the same updates on your tailor Tony as well I think I'm having some problems with the tailor because whenever i try to connect via zune and check for updates it gives me a can't connect ever and i think this comes down to the fact that sometimes if you remember there was a leak from the Samsung and Microsoft ROM which emulated and showed copy paste and maybe they might have blocked that certain feature maybe I will have to try to look for a rom update from the developer part because these are developer devices but the table works just fine it's it's got the 7000 for built on it supposed to be status 7008 which is the pre know to update and interestingly enough it was a device which I like very much because it was fluid it was great build quality but it had a certain front-facing camera and I was wondering whether it was built like this on purpose IE will there be front-facing camera support in Windows Phone 7 or not or it was just the an old chest which samsung decided to build the phone on I'm a question for you Tony got to go um you know why they named this one um no donuts is it was it you know there's there's a google there's a story know there's a funny story behind this there was an actual microsoft meeting and somebody at a certain point was sent out to bring donuts and he wouldn't he or she wouldn't go so this story might be true or not I might know the true version or not of the story but they have decided to call it no though or no donuts with no relationship at all and no connections to android although donut was the first named update wasn't it um no I don't think so donut was the nurse okay before that right yeah yeah cool what's up let's move on to the next question from that's a baby boo should we be excited that dual core now should we be excited about dual core when it even supported in the software until honeycomb I'll answer first and you guys can chime in if you want yes and no no if you want the phone to be faster in things like email web browsing basically the built-in applications because there's not that much of a difference with the dual core but if you do a lot of video stuff like watching videos playing video games then the answer is yes in fact they now have TegraZone which points you to Tengger to optimized games and on the zoom for example this is this is a true story you get some really stunning games through the TegraZone and you can do the same on a dual-core phone but in terms of day-to-day use right now there's not that big of a difference with these dual core phones I agree so without without any support from the platform from the OS itself there is no need for a dual core processor yeah it would be a definite need for a 1.3 1.5 single core processor that would speed up application those times on the basic platform level but as far as games are concerned as you said the TegraZone and the application market which filters out the high-end applications for high-end devices takes advantage of those do our core smartphones but it's all about gaming if we talk about day-to-day usage I think it would be beneficial to come out with a one-point something single core processor which would be faster than the one gigahertz nap fragments we're used to yeah exactly i mean my you know this dis inspire 4g if we don't talk about data speeds it's it's really fast it's got the latest single core Qualcomm processor day-to-day operations it is it is bloody fast and last time I used a motorola atrix 4g it felt slower so there you go one more question and again this one goes to Tony it's from coke ev3 is it possible for Microsoft to release hot fixes for wp7 that would bypass the carrier testing phase in case of a severe bug I think not and this is because the very very strong relationship between Microsoft and the carriers so as far as i know and i might be wrong but from what my logic tells me is that Microsoft is gathering together all the bits of a new update sends it out to the certain carrier for testing and when that certain carrier approves the update then gives the flag to Microsoft which then gives the flag for the devices to update themselves without the carrier it will be not possible it might be possible for for those devices which are not carrier bound which are unlocked but then again it all comes down to fragmentation we might see some devices running one certain build and other devices other builds and that's not what Microsoft once at the moment so my thoughts and my conclusion is that we will not see updates bypass carriers there we go there we go very good well that concludes the pocket cast episode 7 thank you gentlemen for joining me as always thanks / thank you very much and thanks everybody for listening you know we do this because you listened so thank you so much for your support and listening to the pocket cast and we'll see you next time that's it for now