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so 003 of the pocket now you review hangout series from pocket now where we will out where we let you another listeners viewers readers of pocket now ask us questions and give us your opinion about the hottest and newest devices on the market we've got some time to make up for since episode 2 it has in fact been two months since the last year review episodes it's a pretty poor showing on our part we apologize so today's devices number three in order to make it up to you we've got the Nokia Lumia 1020 Google's Moto X and the Sony Xperia Z ultra and who these devices well well we the bonus hold on I want to introduce you and then you can give me the bonus or because I still don't think I know what it is because i only have two of these devices it was actually two yeah oh is it well if you don't know me i'm michael fisher editorial director of pocket out for new people in the room and my co-host today the interruptus maximus Taylor Martin the one bringing you the Z ultra all the way from the Carolinas how have you been morning and what fancy things have you brought us I've been great and we need someone to mute their Mike I'm gonna have to do it for them yeah it would be awesome all right yeah they don't even have video so anyway yes I have to I've lost all video feed to I have two special devices that we're gonna I guess open up the floor for as well one is this baby right here Nvidia shield yes I have had it for about a week now and the other one that I've had for a little bit longer the nexus 7 not to be confused with the xperia z ultra so that you have a both of those Siculus in terms of the footprint on those yeah we I don't really want to necessarily talk all that much about the new Nexus 7 like it's not that that's old news or anything like that but it's here in case you want to talk about it in case you want to toss us a quick question so since it's been a while viewers let me break the format down from newbies and we'll get down to business viewers have five minutes apiece to ask us questions about either of these devices and at the end of their time that you need to give your own opinion numerically on each we used to do thumbs up or thumbs down but that didn't really mean anything and since we give numeric scores on our reviews it figures that maybe you guys should give numeric scores as well so we're going to ask you for a one to ten value on each device at the end of the show will tabulate the scores and we'll get a rough picture of the pocket now readerships opinion on each of these devices now remember folks when we bring you on the air your comment or question has to be related directly to one of these I guess what six devices that we've got here but really uh one of these three devices that are that are in the headline lumia 1020 Moto X and the Xperia Z ultra we want to keep discussion can find those to keep things going so Taylor I think the rules and regulations are out of the way isn't that correct uh yeah sure why not good well i'm gonna kick things off by saying I'm very excited and I'm going to ask Taylor Martin to choose the first respondent for episode 003 of the UU review Taylor go for it okay wow I wasn't expecting this um at least at least I have video feeds back yeah that is a good thing that's good um let's uh let's go with ro ro L said how it's pronounced royal van I can please uh unmute your mic there put your head but headset on welcome to the urea hello hello I saw you had what is that in lumia 920 so 920 yes yeah row where are you calling from today from belgium ultima nice oh very nice it is uh it is evening over there do some what is it isn't it yeah it is actually i should be studying right now but this is more interesting this is more fun right yeah yeah it is rui are you a student I'm trying to be one let's leave it at that understood very well which device for you are you calling it about what are you most excited about the Lumia 1020 of course i own a 920 so yes indeed and which shape which shape what color of the 920 do you have there is that if I have a yellow one well you BL / yellow phone buddies that's actually yeah now of course there's actually there's an interesting story to this yeah I won this device one ice yeah I didn't pay thankful for it but I wondered it I really wanted it that's why I actually joined in a joint in a contest on facebook and I want did you win it from nokia or from another cider from nokia from nokia I got it directly from Nokia wow so they made kind of like an instant friend in you didn't they yeah they did I thought was a ready dear friend but more that's great how long ago was this how long have you had it uh half a year cool so you wanted basically when it was released almost servicer shortly i know that februari from februar it was like two you have four months after and one cheese God time goes fast yeah so the 1020 is you know from the front side of course we're looking at the at the 920 again yeah so my question is is this it feel like in 920 uh when you hold it so when you hold it and Taylor can of course jump in on this as well like when you hold it I just sold my 920 on ebay so I don't have mine anymore but when you hold this device it it looks from the front as though you have a 920 in your hand it looks everyone else like a 920 it feels nothing like the 920 in the hand the 920 you know has that very nice boat like feel and you know it's well balanced and stuff like that and the 10 20 men this this thing you know the camera housing it doesn't look like much in photos but when you're holding it in your hand it doesn't quite feel right to hold it like this because you've got the cold feeling camera housing on you and so you kind of want to end up doing this and so you're holding the phone quite high in your hand then it it's not the most comfortable phone I've ever held i will i will say that Taylor do you would right here um yeah it takes a little getting used to I actually hold mine and put my index finger above it so it does get in the way so when I was first trying to hold the phone I was like trying to figure out where to put my fingers because it was just kind of getting the way but after you use it for a little while you just kind of it's there so you kind of forget about it but it doesn't really get in the way I never really had a 920 I was there for the launch event and I couldn't touch it at the launch event they were very adamant about not letting anybody get near them and I remember yeah I did though and I got a little time with it that I wasn't supposed to get but uh and all enough a feel for it but I don't know what I will say is that because every finish of the 1020 is in Matt it helps a bit i mean you know that your yellow 920 there is is glossy and so yeah it is it couldn't be a more different feel if you tried it's so smooth and it really know oh yeah I I helped 805 Lumia 800 phones in the past and my my brother has a 620 a matte finish it feels completely different oh really the sixth one nice and yes makes some like if you know if you can hear that it makes a weird noise like it sounds and feels weird yeah it definitely i don't know if it's like I think futuristic is probably the right term it feels um you muted you got muted Michael someone muted you yeah that wasn't very nice of anyone but yeah so I you know it definitely feels futuristic which I which I really like do you have any a bit before we you know monopolize all the all of your slot by talking any other things you want to know about the 1020 yeah you have the the buttons here on this side and the camera bezel here there's ear conium feels kind of nice it doesn't scratch at all but the material on the 1020 is actually a different one it's as premium looking and doesn't feel as pretty as this was the sir yeah I remember that now I was always calling the Lumia 920 buttons ceramic is it is it the same thing in the same thing yeah so the it was one of the first things I noticed when I unpack the box that how different the buttons feel they don't feel at all like like plastic on the 1020 like they actually do feel like quite high quality you know that on the 920 they're kind of glossy you know they're shiny and video and of course the the camera bezel is as well I mean these are all aluminum and they're all mad they're not a matte finish but there you know I don't know if it's like a vapor deposition or how they do the coloring here on the black but it feels and looks very premium when you do put your fingers on the camera module if you want to do that they it is definitely cool to the touch and I was like anodized aluminum yeah yeah I wish I could get like a macro shot of the material here with a like a microscope or something like that because it's not quite like sandpaper it's nothing like that but it's definitely not in the least bit glossy but it does feel very good and brief the buttons still have very nice travel they're very you know they're responsive physically so I I don't miss the 920's buttons if that's what you're asking okay well moving on to the camera of course the main selling point of this phone yes well the pro camera application how does that what does it work good is it better than the original application well I've heard it a little bit slower than it used to be actually in taking pictures and yeah no question this takes an awful lot of time right Taylor I mean you and I are on the same page on this right yeah and it's because you're using a 41-megapixel sensor and it takes a minute to fire up like you have to hand crank it to get it to open and yeah like if you actually want to see what that what the load time is I mean we'll do a little low press here like here we go I'm going to do three two one I'm pressing and holding and we're waiting for boot and now the camera app starts and the camera is ready and they're finally there we are and also with the latest yet it is quite a fan time you're right i'm gonna do that what's nice though what was nice is that it actually went wants to start it up it was there but then nokia updated the app presumably to increase its stability and now like for the first 10 seconds the app is up it's actually a little laggy I don't know what their mmm what they did to it but it's definitely a much slower camera the plus side though is that you're no longer stuck in the Windows Phone default shooting yeah which is just so hamstrung and featureless you know that I think it's I mean Taylor do you agree that the pro camera app is basically the best thing ever oh yeah a manual focus on a smartphone is awesome yeah Brandon was exposure time or shutter speed rather yeah Brandon was messaging me while we were recording the podcast and he's like do you leave all your settings on auto or do you switch in the manual and all this other and I said if you're having trouble locking focus on something up close use the manual focus in it lock we I can't normally focus business oh so there are a lot of things you can't do with automated software that you can do with this even if with third party apps and stuff yeah so roll at you know I'm sorry is it is it Rowell or is it roll how do you control its rule when when you get the 920 when you get the pro camera app on the 920 I think you're really going to enjoy it I think yeah so we do have to move on I do want to ask you for for your to cast your numeric vote on behalf of the 1020 based on what you know about it or based on 1 to 10 what you've read so far and your personal feelings where would you put it I put it at an eight point five 10 20 because actually if I may elaborate yes because it's it's I like Lumia as a Nokia in general windows phone is a good operating system and Nokia did it I hadn't made the right choice going with it and the 1020 is yet the next step in also in with the imaging no but not as good at but also I would have given it a higher score if it had if Windows Phone supported higher specs I know it's an old it's an old story and actually a bit of stupid one because specs don't always compared to actual user experience I actually speed tested my 920 with a store unit galaxy s4 and it didn't feel particularly faster so boom yeah yeah it's definitely I understand yeah it's you know it's impossible to look at the 1020 without saying yeah these are a lot of the specs we've seen before even though the experiences is very is quite excellent actually it's it's a Microsoft fold it's in no way or no careful it's true well rule thank you so much for for joining us for the you review we really appreciate you coming on the air and talking lumia 1020 with us and we will we will hopefully see on the next one I hope so too I don't enjoy it thank you very much like once we'll ask you just I didn't mention this in the intro folks we do it we will ask you to please drop off live show yeah we're gonna have to mute your mic there Pablo and yeah please ones once were through if we if we could ask you to make room for somebody else by dropping off the air rule once again thank you thank you yeah I pleasure alright Taylor you get that score down yep 8.5 on the 10 20 you're the best pillows dever I think it's time for me to choose somebody isn't it it is I want to talk to Benjamin over there no sense no sense waiting on this and making a big dramatic production let's just get Benjamin to unmute as Mike and say hello welcome to the you review a little bit Fisher in Taylor Martin no muting us anymore yeah sorry no nothing wrong with Stephanie boy yeah yeah hang out uh a little bit of a UI lining yeah yeah you must need like an administrator actions for it so nobody can do that so yeah what it is yeah well welcome to the you review at any rate and what device are you uh calling it first of all were you calling in from sorry in from Denver that's right we've spoken before I remember yeah yeah um what uh what device are you is most tickling your fancy today well this is probably not mostly for me but just thinking about devices in general it have to be the Moto X ah being a fan of google that you can you can kind of tell all the colors today yes yeah where the colors today just for you guys no not really um just for the fact that you know with with motorola and google kind of putting out a device that's need nowhere in nowhere close to top-of-the-line specs but specs that are good enough for what sounds like really great battery life and like in michael's review when he talked about it feels really nice you can throw it in your pocket with your keys and your change you don't really have to worry about it kind of looking for something that's just really really a quality piece that's mass-produced that has a couple nice software features not so much gimmicky as much as I think Samsung's can be even though partner are helpful but some stuff that I think more general people could use or people that are new to smartphones or things like that to you kind of agree with that anything completely and you know I X here and you know I'm gonna go and lock the camera myself here so I can just kind of spin it around and and talk about it for a second I mean you are you're absolutely right the feature set I'll talk about that in a second but just the physical build here you know this is the most boring one you can get this is the black one and it's got no customization in terms of color and I mean you know the buttons are chrome what could you do we're gonna get a custom built here Motorola has actually is it I think we got I think we have maybe two more coming and we'll be able to see the different colors and see what's up but the thing is you can the minute you take this thing out of the box you just it if this is me talking and maybe it's because it resembles a pre plus from back in the day I don't know you can feel like you can feel totally natural just putting it in your pocket throwing it on your couch just tossing it around like it's a phone you've been carrying for months because it feels so natural in the hand the soft touch that's not quite soft touch well round back for a group little dimple around back for putting your finger there up against your head I mean it's just it's not flashy it's not trying to out cool everybody but it is a really really nicely designed phone and physically I adore it right well but and then the feature set as well I mean you know you're talking to samsung samsung level of feature spam is not what we're seeing here at all no absolutely it's just it just kind of little things that are you know kind of helpful being able to lay in bed ask what the you know using google now and stuff like that Beckett just see what something where that's a lot easier for somebody new to it or just want something that's straightforward and they're not looking for top of line specs and like you said it's um you know a lot of a lot of smartphones nowadays they feel so fragile like you have to hold it really tight me put it in your pocket and then you're worried about sitting down because it's gonna poke you in the side or you're gonna sit on the back like like my buddy who was who had a note to he was always worried about he's worried about you know folding the thing in half when he would sit down with it in his pocket but you and yeah well I think Taylor Martin knows something about uncle owns in the pocket right yeah this thing it it's glass on the front and back and I feel like anything and everything do with it just sitting in on the table I'm sitting it down on the foam that I have for my mic or just sitting it on other devices so I'm not just destroying it you're right good you're babysitting it right i mean we have so many of devices are built this way you know what i mean i'm not going to go out here and say that that's stupid and people shouldn't do that because really the HTC one is one of those devices I baby and I think it deserves the babying because it's a beautiful build but it is no getting around it it's so refreshing be able to carry something like this where it's like oh man I just oh oh it's on the floor because who cares because it's gonna be able to deal with it and it's not gonna look like crap after falling once or twice I mcgrane well that's the whole thing and that's not what I what I think they nailed on the build was something that when people grab it you know they look at when they have a you know that and I know HTC One you know side by side they can say I hold this one and hold this one which one you know feels more fragile right oh you know which one feels he you know display and all that stuff you know when I that specs you're really not making that much of a difference I mean a 1080p display 720p display if you can make out the difference great but honestly it really doesn't make that much of a difference not only are gone on on the people know and people and the people in the comment sections who who tell me that I'm an idiot because I this funny p display is just so yesterday this look so nasty like no no that's not true at all right it'll look nasty but but I can see the difference well but that don't know I'm not saying I'm different when the DNA came out I think you and I were both there and and we was like oh wow this is amazing i thought a 1080p screen was going to be nothing but know this really is legitimately better no it's it's better there's no getting hard it's it's better but unless you make literally looking for it you're not going to see the difference if you're if you're a mass-market consumer to whom I just targeted you're not gonna be able to tell the difference well we sort of your use cases yeah yeah go ahead Taylor sorry I didn't mean interrupt oh no it it's okay I interrupt plenty of other people but yeah ninety percent of your use cases you're never gonna notice the improvements from a 1080p display if anything it's it's detrimental to the performance because you're pushing more pixels but the only time it ever really matters is if you're watching a movie or playing game you get better graphics and that's that's a very small percentage of my use at least we're going to have to we're gonna have to move on your Benjamin we love talking to you have a final question or anything but we didn't get to before I ask for your score oh just kind of talking in general there was an article that came out I don't know if it was by one of you I don't think it was but it was just talking about you know there's a difference in smartphones these days you have ones that are for text tech geeks you know they want the 2.3 Snapdragon 800 in a in a cell phone or you know the other people that just want something wants something that feels good in the hand and that can make a call like I mean my wife I asked her what do you want you want this with this spec she's like I don't care i just want it to work but i refuse to get her an iphone but other than that but you don't pretty much how it's how it's split up to is just you know the the phones that are built for the tech geeks and the phones that are built for the masses and i think even though i haven't held one I haven't reviewed 1 just watching and looking at all the reviews and watching your review Michael and stuff on just seems like they really nailed it with the Moto X and hopefully one day maybe pick that pick that one up I'm not really concerned about the custom ability just kind of you know that with what they built it for I really think they nailed it you know and I think there's no question about it I completely agree and it's good to know you and I are in agreement there this is the phone that is built for it sounds like you're why every man yeah the every person and I think if guru Google puts the ad push behind it that we've heard they're going to I think it'll do very well yeah yeah but I will ask for your score though let you off well I think in the aspect of what I just talked about with it being produced for the mass market and getting the you know it's not for the techniques I think it's I think it's a nine a nine I like it but Ben's where I like you because you qualify your remarks so that you can take some of the heat off yourself in the comments I like that there's a tactical mind it's good strategic work no really a nine out of 10 that's that is a solid score and I'm sure we will we will have others and Benjamin really thank you for for calling in again we love love talking to you and well hopefully we'll see on the next one yeah thank you I'll take care and keep I keep doing what you guys do you keep me entertained for sure well give we'll keep trying you keep watching thanks a lot man yep see you guys take care well Taylor you got that score down nine out of 10 for the moto x yeah we're getting some real work done here people this is nice i like this yeah what are we doing are we averaging these at the end i don't know / down I don't know we're flying by the seat of our pants wear robes dude it's Friday alright what we're crazy it's crazy uh Taylor it is your turn to select the next participant all right um I'm so bad with names what's so bad you're not as bad as I you can take comfort from the fact that I will always be better at worse than you at for enunciation all right okay um is a gesh I guess Jer Jer I don't know how to pronounce your last name or your first name for that matter I I had forgotten to we've spoken before we bring your microphone off and tell us how wrong we are or back on and tell us how wrong we are on your pronunciation there oh it's all right i want to change is for a while but i haven't gotten through know what how's it pronounced now just so we can we can call you know it's it's you're pronouncing it well but i'm looking to change the since it's so awkward people would say understood well we will we will just say hello and welcome to the you review yeah welcome back yep get what you give are you you do backing off right so yeah what device are you here to ask us about today I was interested in uh the Lumia because I am yeah I recently sold my HTC Titan there was a witness on Sanford any device and I was very interested in getting windows 8 device and I saw your review from the 80s the the Samson so I decided to get it and I've been really impressed with Windows Phone 8 so far good see i was i was very terrified for a second i thought that sentence was gonna go I saw your review for the t VES and I bought it and I hated it why did you score it so high so it happened they have the device oh yeah there you go t vas there it is that is the very unit we reviewed yeah so guess you used to like the deity message is treating you well yeah it's it's the Kasai I was playing around like on my job with a Lumia 920 while back and I fitted it against an s4 and I don't know it's even though it's dual core it's just so fast and smooth I can you compare it to any android phone yeah that's Windows Phone 8 for you unless you've got something really wrong with the hardware it's gonna be smooth no matter what so it's yeah yeah neglected to ask you did where are you calling in from I'm Holly from Holland okay island yes we're getting we're hitting all four corners of the world today that's right I love these things so guess you are thinking of jumping to the 1020 sorry I don't mean to burn your five minutes here yeah like um of course i just purchased it at CES so i'm probably going to get the one of the Lumias when it when it gets a little cheaper i just wanted to know does the extra two gigabyte of ram which it has does that make any difference in speed compared to wonder so why don't I'll jump in and then Alaska large phone 8 devices I'll ask Taylor if he agrees or disagrees me here that the two gigs of RAM on the 10 or 20 provide almost no no difference in in day-to-day responsiveness we're where it really assists I think is in the the pro cam app which is a very very very heavy title and we were doing I think you were here for the for the for the test but if I can go ahead and lock the camera on me there yeah like press and hold on the button we wait for the app to load finally the camera module is ready and here we are and now we can we can take our shot and then in between shots it's saving a 34 megapixel and a 5-megapixel so it takes some time now we're ready to shoot again and with the UI elements the way they are with the just how heavy this app is I think this combined with the gallery the smart camera I kind of thought I think that's why they threw the two games in I it's not for day-to-day responsiveness I mean it feels like a 920 in normal use it feels like in a TV s it feels like any other windows phone 8 device all right yeah the only other I guess benefit from having an additional gig of ram is the ability to have more apps in memory obviously but I haven't really noticed any sort of improvement there from any windows devices with one gig yeah because there's a hard stop isn't there like a multitasking launcher there's up to five cards isn't that right or something yeah so you don't get a huge boost in anything from that and if you back out of a nap if you hit the the Windows key it's gonna close it anyways well the bad kids yeah there's there's a there used to be you know it used to be easy or it used to be complicated but I understood it like in Windows Phone 7 it like the back key would close the app the home button would suspend it and then they were just canceled but now the the behavior is different now and I must admit I don't fully understand it because I don't need to as just putting my regular user hat on because windows phone 8 works seamlessly enough most of the time I don't need to understand the multitasking i wish i had more cards in the multitasking view but anyway yes i return to your question guess it's it's it's just like another Windows Phone device in that regard I've been back on oh go ahead I don't yeah go ahead I have a guardian I'm sorry how big are the images that are stored like they're so there's two files I like the small one end and the big one like 34 megapixels like how is that fill up the internal memory cuz and I have any expansion yeah well I the the smaller images the five point three megapixel images are about one to two megabytes let's say your your most elaborate pictures on your five megapixels they're going to be about two megabytes if not a little bit over that the 34 megapixel images are going to be about 92 I've seen upwards of 12 so just depends on what's in the shot but it does get pretty pretty large up to 12 yeah you did no one writes per image like I've aggressively manage your your gallery like I go in every now and then and I like will to tap a bunch of photos that I don't want i'll just get out of there you can use the windows phone software to do it with a cable and stuff like that but like doing that often but you really want to keep an eye on that because on the review unit I had it just oh my god I filled that I didn't fill it up but I probably was pushing twenty-five to thirty percent of total memory consumed just by pictures after a week of course i was taking like a hundred photos a day but you know what I mean yeah I'm gonna go look in mine because I haven't really deleted much of anything yeah so I guess it and you're right that's not expandable you know you want to make many liberal use of your SkyDrive account and that kind of stuff to make sure that you don't fill up the phone with with everything so it's yeah I wish there was a 64 gig version but I think that's gonna be exclusive to telefonica my thumb I've used about a third of my storage I'm at 10 gigabytes used of 30 yeah so and and I have deleted some pictures yeah just because I I'll sit outside or at night and I'll sit there and you know tweak exposure times and all yeah like I've got a whole rose in my gallery where there's like 18 photos to get one like okay one because I've had to play around so much yeah guess before we ask for your score any any final questions on the 1020 that uh missed you well I've been I think I'm pretty well informed i also will i don't know if i can do that but i also wanted to ask like one question about the z ultra's display shirts i also own an xperia z myself the screen epson improve but I heard like that the new Z ultra has some kind of journalist technology or something for screen yeah so it's it's improved I can't do a correct comparison because it's been months since I reviewed the Xperia Z and all I really remember about that phone was contrast was really low and viewing angles were absolutely horrible you hold you hold the phone at any sort of angle and it just turns white so uh and and you get the same effect on the tablet Z it's got pretty pretty terrible viewing angles and this one is not that much better it's a little better I can hold it and I can see I mean the viewing angles are better but you can definitely you definitely lose visibility when you you angle it but other than that the the display is is better this one is the hspa+ model so it is running with the Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2 instead of the X reality technology so the software update should not it probably won't arrive before I said over the phone so I don't know if that will change anything galley so the phone as it is the display is is just as great as the Xperia Z's display in all the good areas because that that display had good color reproduction with the Mobile BRAVIA Engine 2 and it was bright and it was crisp this one is about the same so it's not a huge improvement cash since we just touched on the on the Xperia Z ultra will will stay confined to the 1020 and ask you for your final score before we kick you out the door with thanks yeah um final score that's hard I think based on my experience with Windows Phone 8 like just like well performs plus the Attic value of like the best camera you can get on the phone I think I would give it a nine out of ten simply because I think if the is the most powerful in the phone you can buy right now yes indeed I don't think you'll find anyone will dispute that unless they really need a removable battery or micro SD and then they've got your phone and certainly you can't discrete on the camera so 9 out of 10 is only a tenth of a point away from what I gave it so I have no choice but to tip my hat to you sir all right yes thank you for joining us that they were really appreciate it and it was good to see you again thanks for calling back probably guys yes I was really awesome absolutely man have it have it have a great night and we'll see you again soon all right keep doing what you doing man all right rice lewdly all right so I think it is uh it is my turn to select somebody and boy the timing could not have been worse I I wonder if I'm kind of looking at the ribbon down below here and yeah so for the guys for the first half of the show basically the down in the ribbon was it was an old friend of mine and I wonder he has not come back he it wasn't transmitting video but I hope he comes back if he comes back I'm going to jump to him because I I've never had a call in from someone I know or someone outside of pocket now on the you review and that was the first so that was lovely but now he's gone son I have to pick someone else and that's alright that's alright we don't mind that um he realized it was that old Fisher guy and he back though yeah I want to talk to this guy this guy from high school I didn't like him then either nevermind anyway I think we're going to go ahead and and hop on over here to the name i'm going to have the most difficulty with and I'm sorry for it in advance Abhishek can you unmute your mic and enjoy us yeah I know it's a good smile there DeadMau that says you just slaughtered my name this is from mr. appbrain and we recognize that drum set from from days past welcome back to the European oh thanks for having me against absolutely well you are you're always welcome was at the pocket now live with you review that you joined last time I don't really believe yours the bugging out live okay is this your first time of you find them yes cool well welcome we keep things uh kind of light and fast on the you review and woody just to say just to say just sit my name is Abby shape Oh an icon next day so it's Abhishek it's Abby shake obviously all right that's all i can get with my lazy america i have a hey give that Abhishek fell back on here no it's I will do my best but no guarantees i'll pronounce it any better next time what device are we are we calling in about today the Moto X the Lumia 1020 or they xperia z ultra Trinity 720 is the popular device of the day well here it is again and I am ready for your question or comment sir okay my first question is that there have been some cases i like i was reading this report in pocket now 27 Jesus as a 1020 is not so they were disputing the 1020 title as the king of the smartphone camera camera segment saying that's 80 it is better this is better that is better just the few and far between but still is a truth is any truth in this so there has been there there has been a giant wave of adulation that has followed this phone because it is the best camera you can get certain on Windows Phone and pretty much on any smartphone ever the only exception to that really is the PureView 808 the original that that preceded it and we have a very enthusiastic commenter who visits pocket out very often on comments on all the 10 20 posts who backs up his claims that the 808 beats the beats the pants off the 1020 with hard data and comparisons and it appears to my eye that the ADA way does indeed school the 1020 in image quality yes but is it really a smartphone right that's the Nick runs Simeon it also three inches thick right so this is I'm gonna lock the camera on me for a second this is the this is the 808 it is we know what it looks like but just to refresh your memory it is a monster even compared to the 1020 which we've been calling kind of a monstrous warthog the 808 is is a real brick it runs an operating system that is dead for all intents and purposes as far as future development so it's not a phone that anybody would buy so it's not really relevant it's thicker than my note 2 and the Lumia 1020 stacked on top of one another I mean yeah that really logical right so so there's there's two schools of thought here one is listen it doesn't matter what the 80 80 80 80 has a better camera anyone who wants the most excellent camera available is going to get a 10 20 because it runs on a relevant platform and nobody ever really bought the 808 particularly in the States the other school of thought is yeah but Nokia is getting away with saying that this the best camera ever when in fact they really made a lot of compromises coming from this phone to this phone so it depends I guess and what kind of mood you're in but I think and we'll ever comparison coming up next week between these two phones where you'll be able to see for yourself some of the some of our results that we get but I don't think there's any question that the 808 is is a better camera sadly yeah but I know I read like worry about this I give me too i know it and it's it is a little annoying when it's like every post it's like this you know somebody's got an ax to grind and that's you know all right but whatever so every check hopefully I've answered your question to some degree but you will have to wait for the comparison to see our full results there yep I guess I was just bought it because i was thinking of in 10-20 after losing the obstruction is my world uh we're sorry so we sort of lost you in there a little bit you were thinking of getting that getting for 10-20 for yourself is that right yes yeah but you know I don't think you should be discouraged from that unless you plan that's the thing that's the danger that these comments can can do because unless you're you know unless you're not planning on unless you're planning on getting the 808 instead of the 1020 it's totally irrelevant the 1020 still destroys any other camera out camera phone out there I mean it you know it's it's a distracting argument that really unless you're fine i'm getting an 808 doesn't make any sense who's unwrapping a chocolate if you're if you're if you're in the chat and you don't have your mic muted please do muted uh there are any questions any other questions on the tenth one you have abhishek oh the gen 20 know what I was asked to ask you one thing about more licks sure we have about one minute left so please yeah the more it now I wanna know like what do you think of the customizable you know the customizable look and feel good because you actually is it actually matter what the phone looks like as long as it performs well is it really that important how it looks like I think that you have stumbled across one of the great divides in smartphone discussions it's a form over function or a function over form know how Taylor feels about this I want to ask him but I will say yeah it matters a lot to me i am i just said this in an article about the LG g2 i'm i'm a pretty shallow guy man I I like my phone's to look good I like them to be the color I want I don't want to be carrying the same thing everyone else is maybe that makes me you know understood yeah maybe that makes me a super hipster but yeah it do to me I'll even sacrifice a little bit in performance if I can have a device that looks and feels the way i want so that's very important to me Taylor I feel like has a different opinion no well sort of i don't care if everybody is carrying the same phone i have an iphone and I carry it from time to time probably won't now because I have 2 1020 but um there is this thing that people say that a phone is greater than the sum of its parts and a lot of that generally has to do with the design the build quality and and everything the ergonomics so yes how a phone is designed how it looks its color how it feels in the hand all of that matters to me I had a very heated discussion with a friend he is galaxy no he actually has an HTC One and he's mad that he listened to me and got the HTC one over the galaxy s4 and he said mainly because it's plastic and that's why it wants it and I can't wrap my head around it so it's really just preference exactly is yeah I prefer a phone that if I paid six or seven hundred dollars for a phone I'd like one that it feels like it's worth six or seven hundred dollars not like someone melted down a happy meal toy and made one out of that plastic so so I feel like every check you you are definitely on the function over form side of the equation perhaps and that the beautiful thing is there's plenty of phones out there that have a lot of great performance and they kind of look like they look fine they're not doing it much special in terms of in terms of bills so only I'm faces only mothers could love it's exactly right right exactly uh so abhishek i think we are going to have to move on but I love your questions and I we'll ask for your score if you don't mind you can do just the Lumia 1020 or you can give us a score for lumia 1020 and the Moto X if you prefer let's go to enter Indian a plan to an 8.2 on the Lumia 1020 did you get that Taylor yeah very very nice and I'm sorry did I did I hear you correctly you're not going to you don't have a score for the Moto X at all is still thinking about that grandma say I actually lost my connection i got a vice probably any demi oh sure i was just saying i was just making sure that you did not have a score for the Moto X is that correct yeah I don't know yeah I don't know I don't care about that no problem I projec thank you very much for for calling and thank you for your intelligent questions as always and if i seem to recall your brother's the drummer so I hope you get some sleep in between all that drumming actually it's already past midnight is well yeah it's 214 p.m. so do 40 km haha well yeah then it sounds like you got a pretty sweet start going off to your weekend so uh you know keep partying hard man okay thank you thank you for joining us and and we'll see you next time yeah but yeah bye bye all right yeah how you doing over there you feel neglected nobody nobody cares about the the Z ultra today or the shield was she nobody cares about the shield yeah we do have an nvidia shield everybody just a legend yeah yeah the sucker right here which i forgot that i had removable face plates and when that fell off the first time that fell off the first time I freaked out I'm like oh gosh it's a magnetic facebook that is awesome i actually didn't know that and i've spent some hands-on time with the Nvidia shield at pax i should wait a way to pay attention Michael you know it's a handheld gaming console man unless it's a retro pro duo portable I think that's what I have I running webos running webos exactly right exactly right so speaking of webos Taylor I know it's your turn to pick but can I like ask you to pick somebody for me Peter that getting around like is that not you know that's right it's our show we do we want right what why don't you go ahead and see if Dave Chaika is available he's third from the left there I want to ask david if he's got a video available and if he does not then we will know this is this your friend yes yes yeah Oh Dave's at work so 15 minutes to go and work so maybe he'll be able to join us effort said you're in a listen-only mode then dave is that correct watchers I'm interacting with Dave in the chat and yeah okay well shake shake that's good cuz i felt guilty when you dropped off before i was like oh god I didn't get to him that's that's sad anyway keep listening and we will proceed on it's just so wonderful to have someone I actually know in the real world listening to the you review this is great yeah nobody in the real world knows what I do for a living no no well nobody even if I know I'm kid yeah it's like what what that's a tech blogger ride around in technology yeah that's a Taylor pick it up pick my job to people in the real world is you play with phones for a living you must be a nerd and that's very much it aren't you glad news and we'll work with asphalt yeah that's why you got hung up in traffic this morning on the way to the podcast or two minutes I don't know it's doing my other job you know I work for a cement company I Drive a cement truck um should we go with someone we've we've I may never get I guess everyone in here is uh is regulars just pull the trigger buddy done mad at me all right let's do a high octave oh I haven't talked to him since since the live it's been a long time not just a whole regulars and I'm only I'm only choosing you because I know that you're gonna ask me questions about the Xperia Z ultra and the Nvidia shield I also want to say hi Otto that's a killer haircut you got there dude yeah thanks I got it all shaved offer Club cut I need a haircut too but anyway what device are you gonna you're gonna please me with the questions about I don't know if I hit videos shield uh-huh there's not much to talk about there's like five games right oh yeah there's a yellow Lumia yeah wait a minute wait a minute wait what about when did you get this I didn't know that you were in possession of a yellow nokia lumia but we came out yeah I knew he had one because he was uh he was tweeting me about the camera grip you wouldn't be looking for a camera grip unless you headed to in 20 ah nice detective work there Taylor Martin Wow alright so we're jeez I wouldn't expect in this I thought I was gonna get a break for a second oh we tell her you have a 1022 I'm gonna lean back good yeah oh yeah so what questions do you have anything oh yeah I didn't wanted to like ask but have you faced people about the UM that the hardware side on other than the camera off compared to other nokia phones cuz like I uh I just spent a couple weeks with the Lumia 925 before I got this and I like the new me and I 25 body Utley a lot better than the n20 well yeah I haven't used a nokia device since the the 909 hundred was very similar in design I was smaller obviously but it felt very similar it had a little more of a rough finish to it than the 1020 I'm but I fill the tin 20 feels a little more Hollow I don't know if you would agree with me on that it feels like when you tap maybe not hollow but like when you plug it in and different things it just feels different I can't put a finger on it no you're right it feels like they they knew the camera module was going to be big and beefy it's going to be a big meatball in the mobile phone so they made the rest of it they just withdrew everything possible from the rest of it so you get this feeling of this kind of interesting imbalance I just didn't flip everybody off but like there's no way you could possibly balance this phone in anything resembling a normal man you know yeah so yeah I mean it's what was he it's unique right i mean it's not a feeling I get from anything else out there as a matter of fact I said this in a review but it feels a lot a lot like holding a galaxy camera almost or maybe even the galaxy s4 zoom not to the degree that we're talking about here but you know it's that I also you got that top-heavy kind of feel going on there but um I much prefer this I'm gonna get out the camera but it is that by topic hey I mean I'm carrying a camera like it like a like a NEX and putting it to your ear he's uh it's not that it's not that bad so right you it's it but it's funny like I you know I don't know if I necessarily expected it to be to feel quite like this i mean it is an oreo sized thing on the back of the phone and when you get me it's very it's unlike anything i've held before but so i could understand why you would like the 925 over this from a form factor perspective yeah you know um but mostly it's the way the the 925 just has the aluminum bat ground around the other sides and i know plastic on the back but because that soft touch plastic with the aluminum where your fingers are actually feeling it feels right now it's great from the straw it yeah i'm jealous you because I you did Anton did the review on the 925 for us and I know that 925 is retail available now but I never got one so I've actually never handled a 925 I should go to the tmobile store and look at it but I I can see how it would feel slightly more premium but the 925 to me you turn around back on the 1020 okay you got camera module and that's about all you've got it maintains the old Lumia design style the 925 seems to be really confused about what it wants to do with its backside you got that big camera lens and you've got something smaller underneath it you got like a weirdo grill there's penetrations for other stuff it just doesn't it looks unfinished to me hi was like like whatever I'm just great I I grew it um sorry we got a latency issue there so yeah yeah I feel like Han toes working on like a like a like a dial-up connection where we uh yeah we can't hear you can't cut out you're like I'm have you I feel like I recently had a last week I was in New York and I had like no connectivity whatsoever and like I feel like it's that kind of that's good that kind of thing is going on here he's tethering on his own on edge or something yeah Hatter you're like are you on that t-mobile fogey what's going on mom was it LTE in my apartment on my one but not going well might be getting okay speeds there but I think we got a latency issue before we lose you altogether why don't you I'm so glad you have a 1020 because I mean your scores are that the score is going to be eminently more valuable in this in this particular half hour what's up what would you give it to zero to ten what's your what's your evaluation there you know um I I really ended up liking when there's not a lot more than I thought I would so I I like give it8 half to nine done mmm gotta give us a real value say I can't we were not allowed to skimp on specificity when we put a review scores up you gotta pick a number brother give it somewhere between a five and a 10k night 7 then 8 points that we're gonna go all right points all night look at ten-twenty is doing a nice job here tell you got that spec down yeah I'm pretty sure average right now is eight point like 8.64 that man you know spoilers no spoilers we do the math at the end oh sorry I think so we weren't doing any math you hate okay that's right I do but not none them in the name of science hi Otto before we let you go and Devin is free to chime in on this as well any feeling on the the Moto X or the the xperia na xperia z ultra why can i remember the name of that thing I can't remember storage for five days yeah it's weird yeah i actually just wrote a i just wrote a little most about here is the ultralight site yesterday hey I like the i'm not sure that i could ever use it because it's so big Taylor's hands i have more handsome thing let's do a little size comparison this is the note 2 and this is the z ultra uh yeah that's all i have to say it is not so good it's so man it's like a nexus 7 it really really is it is closer in size to the nexus 7 which i don't know if i can it's closer in size to the nexus 7 then and then any other phone yeah it's pretty much the most ridiculous thing ever I look forward to reading your review oh you know okay I do kidding uh i oughtta Devon thank you for joining us I you listen uh work on that ping brother find fun find what's going on between you and you and our friend the cellular network we got it we got to see a face clearly you we had a better streaming experience when you're in your car on a lunch break the hell's going on over there in the middle vain it's funny it's like waiting for a volley just like waiting for telegram volley times its ragu so I'd really fun guys the pong yeah Eric alright guys thank you for for joining us as always I hope you have it a nice weekend will see on twitter where the where the info flows freely and quickly okay see ya later don't you guys later all right ah that was uh it was a good time I'm I had to when Devin always nice to see and i think i'm going to choose someone i have not spoken with before to move us on we're coming up on the hour mark so we'll go with a couple more guests on the air here today if you're just joining us please remember to mute your mic on the way in and please remember we're confining our discussion to Lumia 1020 motorola x or Moto X and whatever that so anything is called xperia z ultra for though I think the problem you're having is because you reviewed the tablet Z you gave it up let's see so you're willing to say like old Rosie something what would have been a cooler name anyway Rosie now Taylor Dave shake it makes a really great point in the chat that i said i was going to lean back for that last one and then I just come kind of like trounced your hosting duties so yeah I got those like 10 20 and you're like smack I didn't mean to do that I apologize uh so why don't I would like to talk to a Gaston and I wonder Taylor if you might welcome him to the show yeah um agoston and i have i've talked it he just dropped out yeah I said his name and dude bailed um yeah we have a check his back we're gonna have to ask him to leave as well oh yeah Abhishek is it is he back I don't see him well he's not at the chair but I don't know if he ever left oh oh you're right oh yeah yeah okay I'll work on that I'm just gonna go ahead and get them going to go ahead and boot him I do not also want to block him know yeah that was my bad okay abhishek's gone and we liked his input but yeah so let's see if as our target returned he has not all right we're gonna go with yalls Taylor you go ahead okay so I'm gonna have to ask you how about I ask you to select someone and then since i'll return the favor yeah that would be wonderful if we could because we haven't had a lot about it so Zack I believe as a question about the z ultra and sexy Kelvin but walla walla well Mike we might get to you in a bit alright so Zack hi i have actually questions for all three I wrote him down okay nice so no first question is could you compare the Z ultra to the nexus 7 in specs in size alright so specs is quite simple the display is larger on the Nexus 7 its larger with a higher resolution higher density your battery is larger in the nexus 7 you get a 40-something milliamp hour battery I can't remember this one is 3050 I think it's no no it's 3950 that's what it is this is 3950 this is 30 50 so you get 900 million Bowers s4 pro which is actually a Snapdragon 600 slow like the crate there there's a dispute going on about that but it's it's a crate cpu clocked at 1.9 gigahertz this is a 2.2 bigger Snapdragon 800 which is much much much more powerful LTE support obviously this one doesn't but LTE support eventual LTE support and same RAM and I think that's about it on on specs unless I'm missing something cameras 58 I don't want to take a picture with either of them because they're so big but nice Thank You miles that's um I thought that big that's an enormous phone that is like that's that I pictures I picture someone like me talking on this is an ipad 2 right here hello yeah it's it's really big and the the thing is like there are a lot of phone applications that won't install on the tablet Z or not the tablet Z Z electro yeah it's hardly there are phone applications that will not install on the Z ultra because it's not really a phone it has a tablet DPI which is dots per inch I don't know what the exact DPI is I probably need to install an application to find out but the DPI is so low that it actually registers as a tablet for many applications so Photoshop Touch they have photoshop touch for tablets and photoshop touch for smartphones you cannot install photoshop touch for smartphones on the z ultra but you can install the tablet so there are a lot of interesting things about it that allude to the fact that it's not really a phone it's a tablet with an earpiece you think we're gonna be so I think we're gonna be seeing more of that as as time goes on in smartphones and tablets like the line continues to bleed between them and it's like some apps are optimized for one device and not the other I mean it's like yeah anyway Zach sorry it's hard in traffic engineer okay number two would be how does the camera on the Lumia 1020 compared to a mirrorless or DSLR camera oh that's tough i haven't done of like an actual comparison but i will say this the white balance on the 1020 is very finicky it's either on its either spot on or its way off and the other you're going to get a higher resolution image but that doesn't necessarily mean it's a better image your micro four thirds or my NEX which is not micro four-thirds it's it's it's own little NEX brand it's a mirrorless cameras a mirrorless micro four thirds or your slrs you're going to get a much better picture with out having to adjust your shutter speed quite so drastically because the sensor is much bigger and you're not going to get as much noise as a result on their side Wow okay yeah so you're not getting DSLR quality in a phone but you're getting really really close to it closer than we've ever been before I guess is the best way to put it difference and what would I be I'm wondering how I'm kind of well not really in the market for our fur because my dad will not buy me one cuz I'm not you know okay don't need to explain that but anyway um yeah about and also is the Lumia 1020 good for me because I'm a heavy google user i use google everything i've got three gmail accounts I works works really well with with gmail but if you're using other Google services keep drive hangouts Google+ if you're using all of that stuff it's probably not the best choice unless you have an Android tablet or something on the side so if you're a heavy google user windows one is not for you and that's why I'm struggling to really use it full time because i use so many google services okay and this is my last of three questions it's the motor of X worth it for a power user so yeah sag the Moto X is getting an undeserved reputation for not having enough cojones to run some some really cool stuff but you know I will admit I haven't I'm not a heavy smartphone gamer so I haven't loaded this up with some crazy like 3d gaming title but it performs well in ice storm and performs well an ice storm extreme this is a custom chipset it is not know it's getting a bad reputation for kind of no reason the display even though it looks small because the device is petite is actually 4.7 inches it's 720p if you have a problem with 720p as opposed to 1080p it won't be the device for you really I know man it's it is a solid solid little phone and I'll take you know I would I would be hard pressed to find somebody who's need exceeded this phone's capabilities it's not what I would think of as a power user device because it doesn't have micro SD it doesn't have a removable battery but those things aside it's a capable little little guy and I I will look forward to seeing how it does in the real world yeah but is it worth it for the price like spec surprised it's gotta work off well you gotta remember the the price is inflated partially because it's assembled here in the United States if that means something to you then you'll you'll pay a little extra for it at least that's google's hope yes could you get did you get a phone with equivalent specs for the same price on contract or better specs absolutely you can it's just a question what you're what you're really shopping for graduate again it's the phone is greater than the sum of its parts which warrants a larger price so it's it's not necessarily specifications alone granted I feel that there should be some sort of price cut because it's using older technology at least in chipset GPU but that aside I think the price is justified okay um I don't know if there's anything else to say they're definitely exact we have to get some input from you brother we need we've talked about the 1020 we've talked about them all actually give us a score or meet one of these if you will from one to ten okay xperia z ultra um oh I'm thinking maybe for me since it's um way too big for me I mean that thing is the size of my head I mean like I mean it's a third of that it's more than a third of an iPad and I would be I don't have my kindle fire out from last time but uh Rick I am it won't charge a brief did or something that's fine its type in totality anyway it's like almost that size but anyway I'm but so experience the ultramarine 7.8 or eight has amazing specs um and then the same question I talked about the nexus 7 so i will mention that's a nine-point-oh at least and what about one of the 10 20 and there and the ex um the 10 20 and I dreaded an eight-point oh and then X maybe seven point eight or eight somewhere in there say which one is it that's uh yeah pick up n it down for us um I'll give it an eight okay so I've got eight eight eight across the board I already ate across the Boston plus nexus 7 even though that's unofficial but that I'm reading at a nine all right Roger that all right well we got the scores mark down Zack thank you for joining us really appreciate it's nice to have you on and uh and thanks for hopefully you got a smart phone soon yeah charging that's my charging i'm convincing my dad it's not the real good bring him on next time we'll talk to haha skin serious will convince him no no I don't want to that don't get involved and I'm kind of getting I'll gotta get even thank you for having me Zack thanks for joining us again we'll we'll see you next time hey take care take care Taylor I think I think you and I are down to the last guest on the show we got to close this one up so would you care to right a wrong that was made by technology a few minutes ago yes yes agoston I sorry he told you would you disappeared can you hear me now yes oh yeah we can hear you welcome to Tori guys I have a phone that I have to answer and if it rings I have to go and it just rang in the same second so i will be shot and if the ring if the phone rings that level and so but that my question its own philosophical question okay so yeah i was reading your interim and it was about you know the LG g2 with the stat dragon 800 coming in the picture and you know this is your work and this is my human interest and hobby but I sort of start sensing that these new devices coming out with greater and greater specs they don't influence me the same way anymore you know I feel that when the HTC One X came out that was magical even the older phone was that magical but you know then the galaxy s3 but now just like Wonder super device follows the other and you know I feel that this the spec sheets and the improvement of them is pointless so the direction must change and so I have two questions one is do you feel this in your in your everyday work and the second question is if you want to relate this to one of these phones having my baby related to the Moto X which is a phone that doesn't want to you know do the spec for so long honk that you know maybe the next new thing is an all around its own that's can do everything you know yeah that's wonderful I that's a what I would normally call it a pretty broad question and statement combination but it's perfect for this episode of the show because we're sitting here with three devices that run the gamut and we're sitting over three devices that try to overcome that obsession with specs right we have the Lumia 1020 which is built not to impress on the spec sheet but to blow it out on the camera and it largely succeeds it has the best camera you can find on almost any smartphone and then we have the Z ultra with Taylor there which is just the biggest baddest of everything that doesn't necessarily mean it's optimized for anything right but it also it's got some interesting aspects to it such as I believe it's waterproof right yeah I pity ip55 and 58 dust proofing and water resistance yes okay so yeah so you've got that element to it and of course its sheer size is ridiculous but it is doing something different and it's light and thin and and there's that aspect to it and then we have the moto x which you know as you said a ghost on its its refusing to play the specs game it's saying listen we're gonna cobble together a whole bunch of disparate elements to create the experience that we want to deliver and we're going to focus on a couple different things so um you know I think that to answer your first quarter your question first and Taylor well I'll ask him to chime in on this yeah it's scary to see the spec war is just kind of becoming all about what's on the sheet and it's like oh yeah yeah this is just another processor a couple bumps and gigahertz and there were three gigs of ram well that's that's exciting what the hell do I care right that's scary because it this industry is is not in danger of becoming boring but if it keeps going in that direction I mean how much how much more entertaining can kind of pissing match really be so I think we're sitting here in this episode though three examples of phones made by manufacturers who understand that they have to differentiate based on stuff other than them specs so I'm hopeful I'm left hopeful with these three devices for the future not scared of it what do you think Taylor yeah I'm kind of to the same point as a Gaston I'm uninterested by a lot of new devices if you followed my stuff recently you know that I'm not really excited about the LG g2 I wasn't excited about the s4 I was a little excited about the HTC one and it didn't necessarily play the spec game as hard as others for megapixel camera being part of that whole reasoning behind the HTC One these the ultra I love big phones that's absurd the Z Ultra is absurd it's too big it the specifications do nothing for me because it's above and beyond what I'm ever going to use so I realized a long time ago maybe six months ago maybe a year ago that specifications on modern smartphones then were above and beyond anything I'd ever need mm-hmm that's one reason I still carry the note to specifications aren't the greatest but it works it does what everything I needed to do the that's why I want the Moto X its effects aren't great but it does everything that I needed to do and above and beyond touchless control to me is amazing I haven't even used it and I can't wait to because it's something that should have been done a very long time ago my phone should listen to me if my computer can so should my phone you know and and there's this whole thing all these manufacturers and Motorola was spot on and saying that smartphones are more powerful but they're not any smarter than they were two years ago three years ago they're not yeah um so though the manufacturer making a phone contextually smarter than previous ones without improving the horsepower or what's in under the hood by all means you get my I don't know kudos yeah sure I'll look back from me and Motorola is the the prime example of it because and I should have actually led in with that in August and you know they basically said well you said they said and when what Taylor just said is that phones have been getting more powerful a year after year after year but they haven't been using that power intelligently and until you have a phone that understands where it is a lot and understands what situation it's in an is contextually aware it's it's it's not going to be impressive it's just going to be impressive in the same way that a muscle car is you know or you know like a race car in terms of speed and all this kind of stuff and yeah I I really do think we're starting to go in the right direction but I think other manufacturers have yet to key into that can I make a parallel that I didn't want to make but I will and the allergy it's kind of like my car I don't want to talk about my car all that much but um everybody gives it hell because it's not the fastest car ever it looks a lot faster than it actually is and that's the truth a car was not designed to be fast the car was designed to be fast around a track to be able to be fun to drive it was about the experience and that's one reason I like a moto x for a long time cars were about having the most horsepower being able to launch faster than anything else and just putting as much crazy nonsensical stuff into an engine and launching it off the line and hitting 300 miles an hour but then you come upon a turn and you can do absolutely nothing but slam on the brakes and it's kind of that I don't need a phone that just can absolutely just blow the doors off everything I want something that can be fun to use and it's all about the experience so I quit caring about horsepower in cars I quit caring about clock speeds and phones and more about experience and and how those manufacturers optimize that experience and what's in the phone I think that pretty pretty well sums it up there and agoston are we are we in the neighborhood of what what kind of response you were looking for you you got us into philosophical mode and I fear that we talked your ear off no i think i think very good answers and my money commented on XM e fails to be this at least when i meet your camera devaluations i think that you're wrong yeah i cannot disagree the camera on the hardware side that camera should not have been a compromise and it is it's a delight to use in software but the results as you saw our middling so that I agree that's that's a very indisputable failure so it but you know aside from that what's nice is that there are people out there who just need to take a shot that they can put on Instagram and put a filter on it and it'll look pretty good and you know it will work in that regard I'm not that person though so for me it would be very difficult for me to carry the Moto X as my daily driver because of that underwhelming camera so you're right and that's a point we don't remember as often when we talk about its cool features and I thank you for the reminder even though it makes me a little sad yeah the camera is probably the most disappointing thing about that phone yeah Julius I'm saying how nobody really manages to make that perfect android phone take the the iphone I mean I know it's not discussion but really it's like a Taylor said no good at everything really good at everything I still don't know my some issue comes in no you're right and either there's always some some form of compromise and and yet so is it's always difficult to wholeheartedly recommend an android phone to a wide swath of people i mean i recommend android phones all the time to people i know and my friends and some of that but it's tailored because of my knowledge of what they use it for you know people who want a lot of features are going to want a galaxy s4 people want a aesthetically beautiful device we want an HTC One you know etc but you know the Moto X it gets very close to being that phone it's like oh it's the android phone for everybody but it's not because because of that cameras you're right but uh we do have to wrap it up august and so I want to ask for if you would be so kind as to contribute your your score and we now have enough scores for all these devices so you can pick the one you want to score I assume it's gonna be the Moto X though okay but actually yes well I want our gift here Maksym eight and had without the summary page instead yeah my seventh on quest I understood well that's that's an 8 out of 10 and that is a that is a solid response is a little higher than I then I thought you would go I feel like I get the impression you're being a generous generous guest it's true uh-uh eigersund thank you so much for calling in and where are you coming in from today okay night shift that's that well that's excellent well thank you for for devoting some of your your night shift to us and thanks for joining us for the latest on the on the you review and we'll hopefully see you at the next one yes thank you bye-bye take care well Taylor I think you and I have have things to do don't we go see Elysium oh nice I might actually do that as well I might oh and I uh I'm hanging Oh an imax dude there's an imax a half mile from my apartment you're just like a baller aren't you it's gonna do whatever uh guys it really uh we thank you so much for joining us people in the ribbon down below who we didn't get to we're very sorry but we're out of time this time around we will try and have a you review every month as we promised sorry to make you wait two months for this one but I do want to thank you everyone is currently here and everyone who's already signed off before we go Taylor how are we looking on the scoreboard have you done any mathematics um I did some earlier i'll need to update some numbers for the 1020 but the xperia z ultra got two votes series the ultra got to two amazing votes and what what are we ate and ate we lost your audio by the way or maybe i just because i started typing am I done I my back your back the Z ultra got an eight out of two scores that is hilarious I really thought more people going to ask about that and maybe we do we just didn't get to them but alright well the Moto X got three I got an eight and eight I in which puts it at like a 8.7 yes sounds Snowbell right sounds like it's a bad in the neighborhood right 8.3 I was wrong 8.3 oh yeah it would been 8.37 it for nine and nine and eight but uh you know why aren't steely-eyed missile man and NASA good I always double-check measure twice cut once right yeah that's what zipcar tells me but the other way I measure once and cut twice yeah and what about the 1020 how we looking there uh do maths you have to do maths yeah right well Taylor Martin doesn't maths I'm gonna let everybody know where to find us on the internet that is going to do it for us today right as soon as Taylor gives us the score follow us on social media Taylor is at casper tech i met captain two phones as always you can follow pocket now at pocket now you can also find us at facebook and google+ and instagram importantly if you want to hear our voices some more we actually had a wonderfully long podcast this morning where we answered something like 16 or 17 listener males in a row pieces of listener mail that pocket now weekly podcast is up so you can carry us through into the weekend thank you for being patient with that as we waited through LG and Motorola events and if you have a question a topic a suggestion for the you review email us at you review at pocketnow.com one of these days I will get to checking that inbox and Taylor do we have a number yet yes we do and the number are we looking at 10 20 is eight point eight point five six six six six six six so 8.66 on the Lumia 1020 so what is that lumia 1020 8.6 moto x 8.3 Z ultra 88 well we have generous viewers and generous reviewers and that's that's so nice so guys let us know like I say email us you reviewed pocketnow.com do you like the numeric scoring we appreciate you doing a little bit of work for us as we head into the weekend so thank you for joining us and thank you taylor for being an excellently capable co-host and see all mass we will see y'all next time