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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly live from Las Vegas it's episode 0 to 6 and the special CES edition of the pocket now weekly podcast the once week series from pocketnow.com where we discuss the awesome and the awful in the world of mobile technology I'm your host Michael Fisher senior editor at pocket now and joining me this broadcast overlooking the Las Vegas Strip and a very enticing in and out burger in the distance from the luxor hotel at CES the Consumer Electronics Show 2013 our Brandon minimun and Jaime Rivera good morning to you gentlemen I you sir good morning yes we've been having us such a ball and we are continuing to have a ball this is so weird isn't it way you can see each other this is weird I feel Mary Lou's the way put off you feel very gassy oh please please leave the room I think I need to be perfect i was about to say i'm gassy in my country is not we just go outside take care of people come that'll give me a chance to have some teddy you're gonna completely love got it you're gonna completely annihilate the microphone just break it outside yeah my very sensitive very sensitive to that this is so we're we're we've all become hundreds of miles to come here for CSI came from Boston I made from Honduras and brandon from the pocket now headquarters deep underneath rural Pennsylvania pocket out complex and it's been an interesting show this is only the second time we've ever done a podcast were some of us where we can see each other the first time being a TF 0 and Tony and I did are shirtless podcast from the from the room I think John I was no we said that every set it on the air that was good but if you're if you have to pass never on Iran there's a no pants podcast but the important takeaway from all that is that well it is really nothing it's really was just just filler we're getting getting to enjoy one anothers hi my voice is terrible yeah it's not your fault because my voice is also terrible we're all suffering from this desert air which is the driest we've ever encountered and you know when I was are going to healthy yeah yeah yeah we will we'll survive I've been this is only my second a trade show ever and this is what you guys is like in 21st or something like that so I'm still reeling from the level of activity my fourth CES and this was definitely the most organized of them all because we were well oiled on our team yeah yeah we just got so many videos done I think any did me eye contact with the microphone is this no I was like a peculiar staring at this like a large don't say what you say what it don't say what we said in a pretty shitty unica listeners by the way there's a blue Yeti so is it amazing like just just looking at it really is you can be standing like in another hotel and it would pick up the audio is clearly it's not the black thing is he staring at the microphone and complaining if you see the shape of the microphone you'll understand why yeah it looks like it looks like a big vitamin capsule check check Twitter to see how Michael refer to it oh yeah if you haven't been following our Twitter you should listen til the end of the show for our Twitter handles but if you have not listened to the show before this is some for some reason your first time listen to the talking I weekly understand that we only do audio podcasts so it is very strange for us to be in the same room but let's let's talk about the show a little bit because I feel like CES my first CES was frankly a bit of a letdown from a hardware perspective and I woke up this morning reading some stories some wrap up stories this is the last day of the show but people are already writing wrap ups and they're talking about how this CES had some of the least amount of hardware in history what last year you said to 18 teen launched six devices here six devices out of which they only have like three on the show floor okay and you could pay you really had to dig I mean last year it was it was ok but if you see my wrap-up of last year was I was disappointed as well we I was expecting tablets that were pretty much over there was pretty much only one tablet which was waterproof and I could never find right from paying the pantech yeah I don't know it wasn't vaporware it wasn't something interesting but there was a lot of vapor were a lot of devices that were announced their concepts and they never saw the light of day and that's last year you're talking about that's 2012 I would have killed for that this year that sounds perfect that sounds awesome to me this year because this remedy just don't want to share the spotlight they want anyone do their own event yeah and frame it themselves like they want to host you host you at their own thing it's a weird it's weird because they're kind of obligated to show something but they don't want to pop their big guns right except for Sony which is very strange and the show almost has become about Sony in the last couple of years where they announced their their their awesome products because they don't really so you don't really do those big events right I did there are like big self-contained events now it's certainly not in America I'd never met a really good mwc event last year um and what they have well they launched the Xperia S the Xperia I'm our names the Xperia family of letter were three experience no tablets mentioned um and it was a really good event yeah very well organized very and they delivered you know no but yeah so nice we took a really good spotlight this year but then when you look at the other companies that were used to seeing a CS like Microsoft or r example nokia had a really good event last year and they had nothing Lisi they weren't even there like they had a press room there to press room in a cocktail party and that's about it okay yeah yeah it's this is a very you know it's just kind of interesting because if you look at the event schedules you'll see that almost everything is about mobile like what Monday and Tuesday is all full of mobile right but still these companies just came up with me or announcements no real nothing really substantial nothing really big and it's just kind of interesting I mean you don't see like car announcements or anything even if CES actually goes all the way to Friday yeah and I want to talk about that first thing because Samsung I feel like was the biggest example of that because we team listeners listen this is what happened it's cars honking outside somebody out somebody outside something 24 s below is really connected somebody heard me sing Oh Kim that's why they're here comes the helicopter they got sorry run run yeah no but the thing is uh we were we split our team up pretty logically on the day that Samsung had their big announcement nobody knew what Samsung is going to announce but the huawei announcement was almost essentially at the same time so we had to split up her forces and I tweeted about two days ago that like two and a half hours before the Samsung event the line had already started outside the doors yeah and so I'm like guys we gotta get in line so we all took turns like holding our position in line and when the time came to the huawei announcement where you and I hi man went down went down the hall to go to go cover that and Brandon stayed in line and so so I mean I recovering the huawei announcement and we're like sneaking hands on before the CEO even speaks and actually our ascend mate hands on gets cut short because of a woman who was well within her rights to do so it was like you need to sit down gentlemen you need to love the phone and sent it was the phone I was like here we keep it did you really want to keep her though later right we will but isn't so anyway we stayed the huawei device the announcement we're trying to leave and finally it wraps up just before the samsung thing starts we run down the hallway the line has already started moving into the samsung wrapped around like seven times oh it's the most ridiculous it's like a concert line i mean it's ridiculous yeah i'm really trying to understand Samson's mentality this year of doing a first come first serve mm-hmm in a trade show that is so vast I mean and and their infants those frickin refrigerators and they know they're gonna be the superstars yeah they do refrigerators they do TVs they do freaking microwaves so just think about how many different categories of journalists we're trying to get in there that's a good call I'm look really good that the line was so exact and I think that's exactly why yeah I think this was all about the theatrics a milking the cow absolutely are you know the end result was that we couldn't get in because brenda was already in the door we were getting shuffled hi men are getting run from line two lines like oh yeah go in the back I'll go in this way go in the VIP line whatever by the time we get to the doors like the doors are all closed the doors were walking and again like every time they open the door to try and let new people in like people would fall out it's so like the room was insanely Packard probably was illegally packed i'm sure it was over capacity looks like he's yeah and well I you know citation needed whatever but we couldn't get in and we were so bummed and we started uploading videos from the wild wave NY like whatever and then we're talking to Brandon via text message and like we lost you for a little bit really anything cool happening and what happened in there they they talk about their 4k TVs which is cool then they talked about a refrigerator a washer/dryer android-powered toast an android-powered toaster but it's upgradable key lime pie oh and border ready no but actually Samsung in a really big announcement today there there XO knows what is it called oh there dude auto cocteau max 88 there eight core shift which does something really cool with the architecture I don't know acting like I know it I'm what I'm talking about chip architecture it's got a its got two sets of four cores one ra seven core is one hour a15 cores and and obviously the a 15 or higher performance are the ones that are used for I look at the microphone I see that the a15 cores are used for hire you know CPU intensive stuff like 3d gaming then the a7 stuff is used for the second set of four chords is used for you know email and web browsing and so forth so the idea is that probably most of time eighty percent of the time you're going to be using the a7 cores and samsung claims that it's seventy percent more power efficient than the CPU found in the keynote to in the galaxy s3 so this is going to be a badass chip wow it's gonna be fast and it's gonna it's gonna really good power to them you know in the past night I've made this mistake or a terrible assumption I was like why are we getting what core processor on smartphones I mean even even if we and I thought the same about ulti I was like what's the point about having LT if for tethering it does make sense but what's the point about having so much speed of the browser is not really capable of pushing a speedier navigation process and as it turns out well the eight core is a solution but you know one thing that I've learned about using more powerful computers is that they are more power efficient aside from being more power efficient Anthony yeah so I mean for example we're rocking a Retina Display MacBook Pro right now for all our video referee last year we did everything with to MacBook Airs and it was insane it wouldn't normally take much longer but the computers would just go berserk after like about an hour no more power batteries were dead no outlets and I didn't have that same problem with Retina Display MacBook Pro and so that proves to the point that eight cores or more course will definitely make the amount of stress on on the device much lower and therefore it does make sense for it to be more powerful especially as mobile devices become more and more prominent as primary devices exactly yeah and and then Qualcomm invidia also announced their new chips the the Tegra 4 oh right the Tegra 4 them much more difficult to remember qualcomm snapdragon 200 400 and 600 800 right all right let's 200-400 order here that's and they used to be called the s4 and something else yeah like a 737 something so so so yeah we tried to Qualcomm announced its new passenger aircraft good so you know of course these companies had reference hard were there but you know Brandon broken I do that to everything it's so funny because the woman at the nvidia stand was like this is reference hardware you know we're showing a web demo and i'm like i don't care i just want to go in and out of apps and film it for people right and she's like I don't think you can do that and there and then it was locked down and then and then the password hint was 7777 so i type seven seven seven seven seven seven seven and then see it's all in your aircraft right it isn't triple seven all right well brandon types in the code to get in to get past the lock screen and like that's when she finally she was being so nice and to accommodate any forensics i told she's like no no she was like Consuela family guy for a second there no no no then it was like okay Brandon was very good Brendan was like ok alright are you know I had to try yeah so we got this pot calm stuff on video and they showed asphalt 7 which is terrible on every device except the iphone 5 literally every device but it was actually pretty good on this android tablet running a calm Snapdragon 800 3 by 3 4 by 4 whatever you know yeah 730 central prompt boost and I'm like I'm work at the camera for this video and I'm like I both both both processor tests and these racing games do nothing for me so i'm like falling asleep i'm holding up the camera until brandon like like goes back to the home screen and it indeed the developer device like auto rotates from landscape to portrait and I guess they they didn't account for that so like they couldn't get it back okay will so like thirty percent of Qualcomm's like you you know demo devices are now broken and the guys like the one of the guy say you know yes never come back never show your face it Logan it we gotta get enough video just despite breaking yet another device pretty much yeah and we we asked the guy like why is this called something so you know the s4 pro such good you know notoriety the brand is so strong wrong it's an SCP on the market right now and they you know they have the s4 prime for TVs they should call it like the s4 pro two and people would love that people like iterative numbers things that go up counting yeah motorola droid razr m or glt yeah evo 4g LTE is super epic uh what's a long exactly ever that we it was it was that is the galaxy s2 on sprint yeah is that epic was prancing sprint samsung sprint samsung galaxy s2 epic 4g touch yeah yeah yeah yeah anyway so yeah we're always we spend a lot of time with with with processors and russell yes son I guess that is cool and that's one of those things that it's so difficult to get excited about on the surface cuz you know as geeks you want like all right getting let me see a new device let me see something completed let me see let me play with it and it's a little harder to look further down the road sometimes and see why this stuff is important but it is but um there wasn't a total lack of devices as we said like what while Brandon was busy getting getting the first whiffs of the Samsung connected refrigerator and all that kind of stuff I mean ever literally as Twitter on the refrigerator is Twitter so stupid I don't get Twitter later on you're not being sarcastic re know you like to look legitimate late like look serious okay legitimately the refrigerator is Twitter on it has at just twitter is facebook it's it's so dumb like a would stand in front of the refrigerator and flip through their tweets like like if i do i'm carrying a tablet to do it this is the same reason I couldn't get excited about the connected car thing we so we attended the ATT developers how many we saw you know that their first of all that's ridiculous AT&T is is trying to do this thing with with connected cars and connected homes and bridge by ridiculous I don't mean to be disparaging I mean it's pretty cool the connected homes was a good idea like but AT&T is trying to digital life right it was really good 18 teens and I don't those teddy grahams are gonna make it on the air one way or the other yeah that but it would ATT is is not just doing things that are you know exclusively mobility exclusively communications they're doing like home security now his verizon is and in the and they're both trying to uproot it like ADT but 18 he's gonna have call centers like ATT is gonna have buildings that it owns with people inside whose job it is to watch your house they're all gonna be basing on Buddhist haha is it but isn't it crazy I mean I think of eighteen t is my communications provider I don't necessarily think that oh these are the guys I want you know guarding my front door with electronics and not that I don't it's just uh you know a disconnect to my head it went surprisingly of ATT bought a movie studio I mean we're seeing like these communication companies comcast you know Owens movie studios on infrastructure and why because they care because I can their new rich and maybe when they go through cellular somehow right I mean so it's all about controlling our our our you know our devices are using our devices to enhance our IP and we're just gonna be all right that's true so so devices that's a well yeah let's talk so this is why what I was saying was why I couldn't get excited about connected cars because listen I've got a tablet with me anyway I don't need a monitor in the backseat of my but I don't have kids or whatever that's that was a whole thing we did see some devices though and what we had to do was we had to focus on every single manufacturer that we that we could so that we could bring you guys the listeners and readers and Watchers all the device coverage that you like and and maybe dislike and maybe actively dislike in the comment and that's fun because we've had some override had some cool discussions in the in common threads about particular devices so we our first one was was on that day with with Huawei and our first experience was was seeing some new hardware from them and they debuted their ascend d2 and you and me to their ascend mate it was like mate that sounds like frickin one animal planet yeah I think there's a language it's true there I mean I don't want to phone the top the mate yeah imma mating that you want I mean whatever would fit what if it was like the ascend like buddy the Ascend like partner man they should hire you you send a buddy that's a good one why not if while we made her phone called the Ascend buddy I would just buy it out of principle I think you'd be great but the mate is there note competitor and it is it is a massive massive device so so big its 6.1 inches diagonal the screen size are you picturing the phone I'm sure you are yeah so so we don't get to talk about this is this a phone the phone's very thin it's it's it's relatively light it's got a 720p screen and it's in a massive battery it's guy how big sorry four thousand milliamp hour thousand million hours so it'll probably have slightly better better than the note 2 goes it goes it depends on cough it depends on how the software is optimized and but they it's it's got the battery life the bra milliamp hour rating is paired with what do they call it stamina so this is it's a 6.1 into instead the six foot one who devised a lot of stamina the thing about it is that i think it was cool cuz it was it was while way talking about their special how stamina works cuz they it's not just the airplane mode right it's not just that it terminates mobile data to save you power like you can you shut off specific things yet that then you can keep specific things active I don't know it seems pretty cool don't don't devices already do that like like smart actions on motorola and stuff I yeah yeah there are excellent there's another manufacturer that was touting something similar exactly yeah it doesn't it doesn't do that much I mean at the end of the day it's good if you have like five percent left and you want to be able to make a call in an hour that's good yeah I think the tech the thicker three started with the whole idea of okay it has quad core processor but it will only use one whenever you don't need the rest of the time I think the Tegra 3 only uses one core all the time visit I know it's terrible but I mean the concept that's like the perfect concept you've got it course you're only gonna use to use them dynamically yeah yeah dynamically I think that's like the best way to handle things I don't you know stammen as nothing really new to the market and I know my impressions on this phablet were first of all yeah well doesn't have a stylist first exactly is it a phablet I mean like it is if we buy a size was but like it's not a note-taking device right what value or is it is that exercise bringing you know seriously just competition and you know the the CEO huawei was so you know I was really becoming annoyed at the keynote because he was like this is better than competition and this is better than competition yeah now this is better in compensation and everything was better than competition and the question is why doesn't the phone cell better than competition yeah and I think it's because they're completely out of focus even they need to say the better than competition it's like how many had well well we know that the mobile market is full of people that are like my phone is better than yours of course um that's not the perception of Huawei I think they really need to build a brand upon a quality beauty some design the phones were not badly designed by the way no they didn't look bad but they didn't blow us out of the water but they didn't look bad I didn't look better yeah I think they were they were well designed I that's my impression I just feel that they were completely out of focus they're doing these phones to compete but not really too wow anybody yes what the what they mate will do is mate mate with it will offer some people the opportunity to have a phone that's tremendously there's actually tremendous yes tremendously tremendous are here gets a lot of attention it's very hard to do that I mean the note 2 has become accepted I mean how many know tues do we see how are you both have searched everywhere here at the show everybody and I use mine every day to because it's a very good device for Cano y'all give you a pia listeners I had never used a note to be I hadn't held it before everything and so Brandon brings me in them to to this event you know I think I've got the biggest hands on the room and I see now we can easily see ok but how we're doing and the heavy Saracen oh oh that's exciting wrist oh I got this much come here friends goes oh let me see you and I heard like exactly tired okay so we so we aim hands all right and still I thought device feels humongous him and that's the note 2 and that's like for me the note 2 is a really thin the device yeah the wrong with the mate is that it was really big but it wasn't really all that then no it's not it's a little bulky to come to jail cell I just I feel I feel it's gonna definitely be like the most tremendous flop of the year yeah and also I think those are there's not a software optimization on the on the on the on the huawei software side because this thing is and brenards got a picture of it now he's kind of looking at it here and its really really nice to be reminded of how big this device really is now to me I have to be honest I I would I love going with you guys on that but it didn't feel that big in my hand when I was doing either of the two videos so it actually I could see myself carrying it for a little bit but honestly it's the software optimizations that are that are wanting for me because on the note 2 what was the last night we were leaving an event i was using the note 2 to navigate and i was like I want to be surfing Twitter and Brendan was like well I have to see the picture so we can drive and I'm like oh wait kind of can we do dual screen and I did I used multi screen on the note 2 to navigate and to serve my Twitter feed at the same time and that kind of optimization that kind of intelligent use of the bigger canvas is what I think the ascent mate is missing and that's what every phablet should do I think I'll republish it to everything Sampson is doing a very smart thing with balance it's like is that the it's a device that you don't need you don't need the screen size unless the manufacturer is capable of knowing what to do with it mm-hmm plus there's some value add and the endless there's gotta be a reason for for for the inconvenience of having such a large phone in in some cases it is yes hey it's funny because you guys are saying how the the CEO of Huawei was like we do this bedroom accommodation is better and I was extremely it's like it's like the kind of blind sometimes like um I was playing with you yes n mate and this hallway rep comes up to me and he shows me with the most pride I've ever seen anyone exude he showed me how in the dialer you can switch to left-hander right-handed mode like the Galaxy Note 2 out and it's like an obvious thing why are you showing me this feature I mean yes yeah it's you know I think there was only one smart thing about that phone I was that you can you could hide the the navigation android games oh that is bad oh yes that is badass so there you go ahead got you're excited about your emotions I love this app so so I like phones that use the the virtual android buttons because not only can you customize them but it just it seems cooler it makes for a buttonless design it looks nice on the front absolutely ascend d2 and they send to mate they both have you can you can swipe it down on the on the buttons and they disappear so and then what happens then is that the takes over the full screen so you see it kind of grow and take up you know another 40 pixels or so is it it's a little thing but it works so well and I love it and if you want to bring it back you just swipe up your bottom that's awesome that actually and it's one of the few things and I don't want to say a few things it's a d thing to say but it's like that's one of the things that I huawei brought to the software side where is like hey that's you can innovate do you know that yeah it's a small thing but do more of that yeah exactly and then what I mean then the d2 wasn't anything terribly special it said in a 55 inch flagship is 1080p which is nice wasn't that the one where we can count the frames are mean you were you on the animation yeah I think that was the z10 CT yeah I think I think it was the d2 as well probably the frame rate who suffers cuz Huawei has their own custom Android skin as well she doesn't even have trade seems oh right it's just it's that mean it's that emotion UI is that his name of the is a huawei skin yeah that does it give you some sort of positive on the way yeah it pisses me off yeah that's what it does it pisses me off because it works half the time it's extremely sluggish mmm we had a demo on that a tifo when Tony and I interviewed one of the guys from well way it was nice enough to give us a demo on that and I think he was explaining the philosophy behind that is like they're eliminating the app tray to simplify simplify and so they're making an Android iPhone yeah that's what it kind of feels like yeah you can swipe back and forth bended you know your folders all that kind of stuff but there's no Brandon's like where's the app launcher I'm like oh is this running the you know in motion you are and then which is based on em what have you pronounce at ma mi UI the new me you I give me you I it has a similar look and feel and it's funny cuz why is that make sense ZT devices also feel like me you I shall we talk about the CTA devices she go there yeah are very very helpful are very helpful uh ZTE press representative she's very tall she didn't see him fit for the technical type job oh I I think she did it great she had another profession I think she is I think she did a great job you believe n roll alone Sosa CD has the SD cool the grand s your the grand king I don't think I think she was the night she was hidden lighters I don't know if she'd by the way listeners it's the description says Graham King us because that's what they told us well that's what they told us it was on the but those well if you look at the booth there was really no description of the device there was no description the spec card it was just there was nothing just a row of unlabeled devices were like what is this a day now it's very confusing yeah so so that's their flagship and it's funny it's very very similar to the ascend d2 it's got the s4 pro it's got two gigabytes Ram 5-inch screen 1080p display a me you I like I mean they're almost identical except the the zg e devices much thinner and it's pretty I think it's it's it's pretty good it's not a bad looking device that's the weirdest lockscreen I've ever seen yeah I can't understand right yeah I do if you watch our video we struggle with that for a second yeah emerald was trying to help you out at that point I was like oh yeah no let me just get in here to you press and hold on the lock button and a little lightning bug like draws a circle around your thumb and then it unlocks if you hold it long enough interesting is pretty cool smart yeah smart and then of you could slide two different applications if you want to slide from the lock screen all right or just press and hold and it'll unlock the phone that was cool yeah and then it had that little movable dock that you liked in the video right the little button doc I'll free the homewagon I didn't actually like that you you make some of that I may do it I'll be on you don't like it I don't understand when you would use it the CD device has this like little dot thing that pops up on the screen on one of the sides and if you pull out the dot you get the android buttons sort of wherever the dot is like a home and task switcher and so forth and you can turn it off but it's strange because you have the buttons just a few inches down below why would you want them why would you want a home button in the center of the screen that's a good point so yeah but it was cool to see cuz it worked well yeah just you know take the time right and so and so the ZTE device like the huawei do i was choppy and pretty laggy pretty slow it's not a device i would want to carry although it's coming to the u.s. in 23 / 10 now and I face up the end of 2013 well they said by the end of 2013 I mean they said sometime in 20-30 they also said they were in talks with a major carrier and I think you know you I don't think that thing will be priced very high because et is still very entry level in the States and yes if it comes out you know after galaxy s4 after right but m7 but I think it has the potential to be an interesting 1080p entry level the right little 1080p like maybe the first entry level 1080p device is awesome it would be cool can I like that a lot of go bones 400 bucks that would be yeah right right anyways et's give me a stomachache yeah come here move on yeah that's sony let's talk about sony 0 sony's booth was it was it was not even Busoni had a gymnasium and when you walk into the place you're surrounded by this what i can only describe as like a like a giant version of a blindfold it's like a wraparound screen that's maybe what was it about 15 15 feet high and just encompass the entire space had like 10 projectors oh is it was absurdly cool and you're most of the time during while we're doing the demos were surrounded by these like moving ribbons of color yeah and they know how to do put on a show they know how to put on a show geez I think they did it much better than mwc last year they had this arm that was just so annoying it sounded like a one of those Japanese Mongoose have you ever heard that music room from like it go you have it no I barely have a voice that yeah questions when I feel that they put on a good show I you know I like the focus that I saw at Sony CEO yes which I didn't see at mwc wit when he was recently appointed okay no time he was he's grabbing the company they're doing away with Sony Ericsson and the guy was like okay but no this guy had three focuses which is digital imaging mobile devices and what was the third one oh and gaming those are the three focuses which is funny because they came out with a lot of 4k TVs and you know it's not part of their their focus strategy but you know I just I feel that he really really nailed it with mobile you guys I know you guys I don't know if you got your pastor don't know in this event really uh in this event they don't even have any tablets ok this is no but what I'm saying is this is the first time that I see a sony xperia device that i want to have really which one is which one the Xperia Z so then the new flagship I like it I really like the what do you like that it's very minimalistic Lee design i feel it's you know one thing that I love about Sony my house is full of sony stereo systems and everything and TVs you know i love you know their their design good taste they really know how to make something simplistic look beautiful and that's where Apple got a lot of their design kids friendly exactly an apple wood it would admit that they got their design cues from Sony absolute oh yeah and I feel that it's like if this guy just went back hired those designers from years ago and told them build me a good Xperia then the result would be the Xperia Z which was very easy I did like the design so far you know we didn't really get a chance to use that you I much and that was part of my disappointment with the experience when I reviewed it um it was it wasn't a very beautifully designed phone but I remember that that the Xperia S was a phone that would not win any records it wasn't thinner than anything it wasn't smaller than exaggerated pictures it took great photos um and but by the way i mean the the same image sensors that are used on the iphone 5 were built by sony right so you know i feel that everything has conglomerated into this experience II I really want to try it I really do do you think how do you think it'll do I mean we all had our hands on with it we all we all put it on the video I mean like dude does it have its cuz Sony's big thrust with this presentation was they want to wow you yep they said that about 15 times and you know like that's they said they don't understand and when other companies don't set out to wow you and I have to tell you I thought the Xperia Z was very pretty yes but it they've removed so many of the things that made a sony device recognizable there's not a for example a transparent band through part of the device with LEDs embedded which I of course it's a gimmick but at least is it was recognizable there is no arc design that the the casing is as flat a rectangle as you can get in fact it looks just like an Optimus G so the more I looked at the experience either less wowed I was and then you granted it's beautiful but you feel like get up close to see the beauty of the of the tempered glass and it's like well this doesn't Wow me at all sony I don't know it did well me I I think they overdo it with all the flash all around the device yeah there's a there's a cover for every port yeah and it's made of glass yeah it's overkill really is they overdid that I mean they should have just left the bottom the bottom with a bit colder that's right there's this needle the fort all the ports there that's been talking about this yeah your view your favorite you fell in love with the co special I I don't like the Z that much because it has so much class too much glass and then it feels kind of kind of fragile like the Optimus G or the nexus 4 I don't want to deal off the table yeah and this flaps are just maddening um I should also say that the Z's screen and the ZL screen there's something off about it we were is isn't there we were looking at it from from from pretty extreme viewing angles and they were just like white yeah they wash out to view there were a little washed out but in my experience with the Xperia S that was a screen protector and that it was out the demo devices did have screen protectors and I whispers I don't know why Sony does this they always ship their phones with an embedded screen protectors up the the viewing angles exact yeah but would you go on a ZL so the ZL has this awesome feature and it's not really advertised except in the literature that comes with it that it has the most amount of screen the ratio of screen to device facade is the highest of any other device which which makes it look just kind of futuristic kind of bezel this yeah and it's just when I picked up the ZL like my tail wag you know you know either now feeling like actually totally yes you know when you when you like feel something you're like damn yes this is like when you pick up an iphone 5 for the first time you're like damn yeah when you pick up I felt that about about the galaxy s3 galaxy s3 it's like this thing is so thin and light it's crazy I felt that stop looking good for you guys no no no please please please sister so I got it I got that with the ZL the ZL has a matte finish so you don't have to worry about the glass thing it's not waterproof etter which is fine by me when I go to the bathroom I try to not bring the phone after i drop the sensation of the toilet but then i said we got the key from already got the toilet sends your toilet phones to Jaime Rivera alright my piece you know it's it's not as as fancy it's a more rugged xperia z and i just i i really really really well it was a cool example of this thing we talked about rather frequently which is that mid-range phones are getting more and more impressive in various ways and in some ways that are out there outstripping the flagships i have wanted mid-range phones more than than flagships several times now i don't really know if the xperia ZL would be considered a mid-range ranges next time it's a high end but just a different variant and i think that some carriers are gonna pick the glory old owners know it considered in a vacuum i would agree with you but put on a shelf next to the z it is a mid-range it is the mid-range alternative cuz it's gonna be fifty dollars cheaper or is gonna be a hundred always cheaper none i mean right so I mean that's what I mean I think that it's a vernacular thing but like so here's what Sony needs to do with these with a Z to make it CS success with the galaxy s3 if they need to get it on every carrier yeah and they need to not give in to carrier branding so it's the experience he on every carrier and they need to market it so that everyone knows that Sony makes an awesome smartphone and and profit and profit and repeat right what do you think they're gonna do that because I don't oh it's very tough HTC hasn't done it in years the only Kobe has done this is samsung they've got so much leverage right but like those two things are what make the difference between you know 20 million units and 1 million units I noticed that the CEO has a lot of focus yeah his presentation was I mean wrong Justin just think about it I mean he started he started his his his work as a CEO finally bringing Sony devices back to the United States mmm with the Xperia ion and the Xperia which was it that was on AT&T the tea yeah the experience here I forget all these things nature it's it's alphabet soup I know that office today oh god absolutely I was about to say that I you know if I were Sony I would completely I don't know i think the xperia as a brand I think it's dead I honestly a 90 degree hey guys back all the way to the experienced one I was just gonna say I feel like I was never born I feel that that should have died with Sony Ericsson and they should have brought like the sony one yeah sony to sony 1x know like no I agree yeah that would have been so much cleaner and someone and brought the Sony name back into the into the forefront snotty good because what they're doing is they're using the Xperia Brown like Samsung uses the galaxy s3 right too much less yeah and everybody back oh you've got the new galaxy right they don't use it on the the tablets you know yes they don't go that far what do they did they started that any fun yeah what is it the Xperia tab or some BS i don't know i feel that the xperia branch should die I feel it should be like the sony one usually like I agree yeah I agree hey completely agree cuz Sony for all its kind of inaction in the American mobile space it has still been it's still a well respected brand name if you happen to buy TVs and home theaters and I would seriously be proud to say i have a sony phone yes only 100 yeah sony nine anyway nice yeah I don't whatever it was it was a fun event and it was cool to get her hands on some real premium hardware after you're not seeing much premium hardware and that's pretty much would you say that's the only premium mobile stuff we honestly I sell that Sony saved the day for mobile on Monday that's a yes at CES monday was like oh god I was like seriously feeling this is gonna be like the worst trade show ever ever yeah because on Monday just think about it we were at the ATM t event which last year had six devices that's the only reason why I was like okay let's go and we got nothing the pantech discover discover which we didn't even want to discover don't look for a video about that we're not gonna waste your time I listeners right yeah so forget about the pantech discover it wasn't even at the show and that's just to point out that not even the CEO was proud to show it off right again it's just so that we did huawei which was a sort of a way it was okay but it was sort of a waste of time Samson the Samsung event wasn't really wasted time because brandon loved the 4k but we didn't get any any devices until the next day and it was pretty much the woman is at the excalibur the odyssey now i wanna i do want to be honest i do want to talk about that because we did the eyes that this is the second time that discovered you don't hear the second time we've reminded brandon with the oddity of the achieve odyssey the samsung windows phone so we saw just really briefly we're just touching this we saw two mid-range windows phones and windows phone 8 devices at the at the event and the first was was the samsung a TV odyssey which samsung was nice enough to show us at their booth their large booth and we got some hands-on video which you probably saw and I at first I think everyone thought a couple weeks ago that this was going to be the ax t VES the high-end windows phone for verizon why cuz there's a verizon exclusive for the United States yeah we got to play with you t this and then we got to her a few days ago we got to review it and we do I guess oh you got to see it yeah right and it's the galaxy s3 windows for me right and that's a great thing I mean I really like that device so we're everyone was excited with our all the achieve obviously all that must be verizon's atty best no it's verizon's mid-range Windows Phone 8 but it is Samsung's first windows phone 8 device in the United States grey and I was outselling Michael it's like okay let's film a comparison between this and we actually had an atty mess with us right and Michael's like what am I gonna compare yeah seriously I'm going to film one bit whether you like it or not what am I gonna go that's true and seriously it was right well yeah good point you know what in the same mid-range conversation and i'll say i'll talk about the huawei w one in the same breath or w/e there's w1 right yeah another mid-range 4 inch or 800 x 480 you know nothing that's gonna blow anybody skirt up but they're both devices that feel good in the hand and that people who don't want a jumbo phone noah Kravitz had a really good tweet today where he was just like Noah from formerly of phone Doug formerly TechnoBuffalo formerly I'm talking about full movie in former citizen I know a great tweet where he said something to the effect of oh my god someone announced a high-end phone that is that has normal human sized hand dimensions just gonna say all of these all these bid Rachel phones are thick yeah like badass thin mid-range phones I guess there are a few but the thing is because their thick and because they're small on their face they feel great to hold hi my brought me a palm pre of three today which I hugged him for a couple days ago and why do you say that don't tell the listeners no I won't tell one talk about our hugs any move but no and it reminded me of how great it is to feel something in the hand that's not trying to be the thinnest thing ever the biggest thing ever it's like oh wow this is designed for uh for human hands this is let me understand bring your point is that you want a high-end phone that's smaller that's what you want yeah see I got a 4.3 there's like no premium 4.3 inch oak it's exactly right listeners do me a favor and hate me for this because I know you will but I think Phil Schiller said it best there is no greatness and doing a high-end phone that's bigger anybody can do a bigger phone and just fit everything in there I agree the innovation is if you're actually capable of doing while we did in a weekend with me oh there I garage that's how big at six no six point one no they probably started with five inches and they were like okay can we fit the processor no it doesn't fit this okay let's add two inches well why we came and came across a box of like old car in car gps units with huge screens like how we can use these yeah got an exacto and they were like okay know that now it's five point four inches right oh oh oh my god the the radio it doesn't fit okay let's go to 5.5 right when they finished by the end of the day it was a six-inch room that's what happened and I feel you know even if people don't care or don't like the Apple philosophy I mean there were two devices which is a complete irony but it's true the 222 devices that I saw on the show floor that everybody had is the iphone 5 and the galaxy note 2 and go to camera oh because well but there's a reason for that right there's a reason for the galaxy camera to be human is exceeding the galaxy camera seller giving them two members of press yeah I wrote to me but uh here's my thing right III like mid-range phones because they're getting so much better and they really are and I think it started with the in this in recent memory it started with the HTC 8s with a the Lumia 820 and Windows Phone side and we're seeing I learned or no mess as well when they pull the 1s it was a mid-range phone that wasn't that then feel mid-range when you grab hey I meant I meant 8's I'm sorry but one SES no you're right on the Android side so anyway yeah we some of that I wish we'd we'd see more I I still think that so one of these days I'm gonna buy a mid-range phone that's gonna be my daily driver for a while because I'm tired of it i like the utility of the note tues larger screen yes but i also like a pocketable device what good as you say I the thought last year and at the end of last year that I wanted to get I get the galaxy s2 again cuz my other one's broken I threw it across the room oh and i would get galaxy s2 again and uses my daily driver because that was like one of the best phones I've ever had it was smaller screens wvga which just burns my eyes but but besides that it's a mid-range phone now that you know so thin and light and just fast and well done mm-hmm oh great I think it's a good phone I don't know I think you know the problem is this Michael you've already reviewed all of Nokia's mid-range lineup and you're not carrying any of the entire thing yeah yeah why is that in mind we'll talk about nokia which was pretty much inexistent i was just gonna say that'll take 20 seconds yeah yeah no I the reason I don't carry and Lumia 800 series devices because they none of the designs I didn't find any design designs attractive physically I didn't like the hardware if they were in an 8 s body the HTC 8s i would probably would okay yeah yeah so that is that was so good about wasn't a speck thing so what about nokia are they had a gorgeous press room that they offered us which was very nice of that I know we wish we've been able very nice thank you know kid but we would have wished that there were devices in no press room yeah but you know what I I think they're saving i think that the common wisdom for all this stuff is that they're saving a lot of this for for mwc in their own but here's the deal i mean they were pretty much inexistent than in WC last year right and maybe and that's the complete irony and we're in a weird trough right because they just released a whole bunch of high-end stuff you're putting the paperwork together for Microsoft's de violette nominee that's right oh now that your peers a theory I've seen so many times you know it's gonna happen no skills not gonna sell enough Lumias to stay relevant it's viable yeah Microsoft can have to save them and that's it and they have my own contract it probably some sort of rite of you know first refusal or something ya know there's a yeah he's like a triggering Claus right yeah yeah and speaking of Microsoft I mean Microsoft microsoft had pretty much ended the CES keynote every single year for almost the past decade and it was funny that last year when i was at what I was at the keynote um you know the the you know the see a guy was I forget his name but he was telling Steve Ballmer you know it's been a great decade but there's gonna be the last time you were ever going to do this he was actually that blunt really this up thank you very much has been a great time and you know next year we're gonna give somebody else the opportunity we actually skipped the keynote but it's just to give you the idea that Microsoft was another company that was completely in existence oh and yet they were there uh vicariously through many many other companies yeah you are yes very reliant on windows 8 success oh yeah what God we saw a ton of as usual if he says we expected we saw a ton of Windows 8 tablets a lot of which we'd seen before oh you remember that 20 inch 4k not waking up panasonic on another man that thing was slower than me sir the open webOS alpha i thought it i mean is there really a graphics processor that's capable of driving that many of you would there is they would just have one minute of battery life well he said it was one hour battery it has two hours which is better than I feel funny and yeah but you know seriously I would be I'll be nice to Panasonic because they were bold enough to build it yeah tell them what that tough yeah tell me so hi man Brandon went to go look at this thing it's a 20 inch tablet I don't understand why with 4k resolution which is 4k resolution which is what that awesome today is what's that what's the resolution 1080 turns flow right we did that begin to this last night yeah we heard 2145 or 21 6539 no no it's a lot more 2140 is like the ipad no but it's double what the what 1080p is no it's four times with two atps yeah that's right that's four times with 10 is it really yeah it's four times for 1080p yes can you tell I don't pay attention to resolution yeah so you guys went idea should i don't know you know you're the guy on the team but the resolution is the most important part of life support it's worth it it's for 320 piece so of course you guys went to go look at this thing and I don't understand why guys why does this exist cuz I was over checking out other stuff well they why did this 20 inch they were really planning to sell the town it's like when the mic the original surface project came from Microsoft pretty pensive it's a proof of concept but there they were doing this building a store demo okay that would use the extra resolution and everything looked gorgeous on the talent you know they were like yeah it'll probably sell by the end of 2013 I don't care if they don't sell it I love the fact that 4k is already existent and so fast and I love your fact I love the fact that windows was natively capable of dealing with 4k it should be capable of scaling infinitely right yeah as long as the graphics processor is capable of dealing with it windows will didn't scale it the right way like all the tiles were very small when he went back there up to level okay but they weren't four times smaller and that's the thing I mean I feel that that there is a feature for 4k who knows we've probably sorted for the 4k tablets next year on a refrigerator microwave oven with the highest resolution display ever said that's where it's at 8k oh come on i think panasonic headed hktv which is comes after 4k yeah and it's real and it's a you know it you know I can talk all day about TBS I think huh still nobody none of us is gonna buy one CES 2013 is not a show to come to if you don't want to hear about tvs by one in five years when they're the same price on mon right right now it's more expensive than a mortgage I mean come on yeah gonna buy vizio is doing three sizes of 4k TVs between 2030 500 bucks which is a lot but not 10,000 ok let's talk about vizio that's good epica doing yeah yeah I mean they launched a couple of devices out the reason we haven't seen him yet and the reason why there's no video for that is because there wasn't any booth well there well it was we're gonna make me in the end of the nation then what yeah it should be leaving Las Vegas by the way listeners if you are have never been to Las Vegas Las Vegas is the walking capital of the world if you are at a restaurant and you're having dinner and you need to go to the bathroom you had better plan on a 15 minute excursion commute commute every single destination is as far away as possible and the hallways are scaled to accommodate elephants I feel tes is a citywide like what convention have you ever heard of citywide it's incredible I ever it's not an all-in-one convention center which is the size of a city block anyway it's like you mention Center let's let's go check out what asus has we have to drive about 30 minutes or yeah well you know wait in the cab line for 45 minutes or take a shuttle that stops at many other places and then finally at the position it's just exactly then we ever find the shoes by the way better in their elimination no I don't they'd already know that's another case last year at well at least this time this year's better last year they had a debt booth a debt very small booth with dummy units and no representative really a sous last year that's that's what it was on the yeah I mean as Jews is like the best manufacturer of Android tablets yeah currently and for the for them to not have anything at sea as it's like what but you know what i think it's an indication of how less how much less seriously manufacturers are taking CES that's the point and i think that's been that like the theme of the year and most of the commentary is like I've seen several people say the CES isn't really even gonna be even as impressive as this in a couple years like it's no it's it's a platform okay you platform for smaller companies to be able to get a foothold that's what else going to say yeah yeah I but concern hmm i have a concerned that android tablets the momentum for them is going to slow down significantly because if you look at what we have we have like a device like the nexus 10 and people don't really talk that much about the nexus 10 but I hasn't sold that much it's an amazing piece of hardware extremely high-resolution display running the latest version of Android and we've got some smaller tap to the Nexus 7 and just probably the best android tablet out there but like at CES no one did anything with nothing with Android tablets I feel like the only shining star the only ray of hope is the next Nexus 7 oh I don't know man we went to the polaroid booth oh but no you're absolutely right though but it's it's just strange because you know there's so much enthusiasm for iOS tablets yeah and i think the app story really helps drive that and like Tia apps apps apps and and what can google do and we talked wats podcast object what can google do to fix the tablet problem on Android and there's really no answer I think it is doing it I think is doing it slowly and it's the same thing as it's during a mobile with Google now and Google integration and the Google ecosystem plug enough it's enough to make me focus more on straight Google products and an iOS ones in the tablet space I think I will agree with Google now but I have I have learned how to appreciate google now in this trip more than ever yeah how I'm airport and he takes out as Google now which was stacked to the fullest extent it showed his flight arrival it should exchange which showed exchange rates to the score to the game that he was watching yeah the distance to home this all matter you without without am I asking the device is like 15 cards of completely relevant information and I've delivered automatically and I've seen that on my phone but um you know I think about the iphone just going to the Patil United I'm looking for my when what is my next flight and look at just going after wrap of doing what Google now did ya in less than a second is amazing it'd be awesome to have that as a watch with it I've got ours is it phone is approach knows this concept but imagine google now streaming to your arrest rock hey you know with pebble that might be with when they open that up that might be a possibility the developer could easily can i use a google round stuff on your watch probably and pebble just had an announcement this morning were they were they finally after months and months and months said their device is gonna be available in january twenty third he's gonna start shipping people be hey screaming for their money back but you know it's good i was we're going to attend we ended up having a PR obligation that ran late last night that's not you know that it was actually really really cool and a lot of fun but unfortunately couldn't make it to the pebble thing today so but we caught up on the news and it looks like those are shipping and I'm really really really jazzed because we're gonna cover that a lot and it would be great if the developers could write google now int'l to that so we still point you don't want to use an iphone so what would you want a pebble for well I think it's eat pears to Android devices is really yeah no no it doesn't he doesn't want a concept that only work with the iphone oh yeah they've almost immediately broadened it to android when they started getting like crazy money Oh calm cuz there's going to be such limited its things you can do with the iOS agreed yeah injury it's gonna be it's gonna be extensible really if this then that support I I have seriously learned to value Android and everything that jelly bean has done with Google now with everything on this trip seriously mmm I would you know I it's funny cuz i'm currently using and yes by the way i am using a Windows Phone listeners yeah and why CC 8x you've been using it the whole trip I'm seeing them everywhere by the way windows up hey do they to 8x like right I've seen like 10 of them yeah yeah I've seen I've seen a couple of a texts and so yes listeners I am using a windows phone 8x and I will do it after the buzz to tell you what I think about it later but it yeah but it was just funny cuz um that we were thinking about navigation and then Brandon was like why don't you use the iphone and I'm like what am I gonna use the iphone the perfect I've caught the galaxy s3 here so I I have learned to rely more on Android on this trip than ever before and it's been cool like it seriously every 5 or 10-minute time I will be like whoa like what's going on here like you think I see him and I turn around he's looking down at his note 2 which is saying something agreed I mean I I look at Michael using his note 2 and I'm like how can i get for the first two days I was completely on denial mode I was like I'm okay I'll give it a try when I get back to him by this I'll give it a try there and then you know I keep looking at Michael doing these crazy things with that phone and I'm like okay fine all right i'll sacrifice um spacca some pocket space bring it over let me use it let me let me just mention that briefly because i think this is something that I never really considered before I started coming to these trade shows and reporting on them what device is best to cover a show like this and i found out that for me for my usage galaxy note 2 the galaxy note 2 but but more importantly the galaxy note 2 versus my other daily driver my primary daily driver the Lumia 920 which I still adore but which is not useful for covering CES for me because of my tight integration with did with the Google ecosystem and also because of the extensibility of the galaxy note 2 and the customizability of it and i've got flight board checking our flights on one home screen your your your your leisure phone it's pretty much exactly the 920 is what I do when I when I wanna when I can take a step back and life slows down a little bit and I can enjoy my experience i'll try to get work done that note 2 is that is where it's at and the third device would be I think that I be I was completely mad at the galaxy camera I still consider it to be like the stupidest concept on the planet but yes listeners the only time you would ever need a galaxy cameras for a trip mm-hmm you know if you're gonna cover an event and Sampson was smart about it they pretty much gave everybody a galaxy camera to come over CES and it was okay and they're they're everywhere as a result and we've used them with the dropbox integrate its it's super handy we beam pictures of the guys at home and running the posts yeah we took the pictures and they were linked to the common dropbox yeah within seconds i had to pick and the video you know yeah yeah cuz Andrew let you do that that was great i was great and you know to be honest with you I I still feel that the galaxy camera would be I would pay four hundred and fifty dollars i would pay six hundred dollars if they gave me a mirrorless version of the galaxy camera you know a camera that take that took great photographs and and would also have the the data capabilities but that said we were at the AT&T at the TT developer summit and brandon was taking these awesome photos of the keynote because of all the 20 what's this the 21 exhume that that camera has yeah that I did not have on my DSLR by the way which is pretty cool which was pretty cool and the photos were okay I just I feel that the camera is great if it were cheaper and if you know I don't know can we talk about I'm sorry you just reminded me of that spell for the fire do you remember the one cool thing about that more the really cool thing about the morning they had and they're learning there was one there was a lottery toes now the breakfast oh the breakfast burritos were excellent yes no no but not not those like Doritos uh-huh that's where that's really a car that's rated our no but no no but they had a really cool thing at this thing where they had winners of an app development comes is like a hackathon like a 26-hour thing right and then three contestants come up and they were all cool submissions but this guy came up with somebody came up so we had yeah bunny ears that are this retail available thing where you wear them on your head and they read your brainwaves you can wait like this is reading my brain waves right you can wiggle your bunny ears with your brain and I guess that's pretty cool putting in 26 hours or something the guy modified it and connected it with his phone so that when he received an incoming call which he did he demonstrated on stage he said he had somebody call him his phone started ringing and he rejected the call by thinking you have if you if you're having a high-level brain activity rejects the call and you get like a canned message that says says please try again later yeah yeah but it means like this it's so such a good idea that's amazing what deploy my face off yeah well and as I mean he was wearing the bunny ear headset with one money or Romania to take one apart for like parts or something like that her but anyway that was cool and that was one of the few like windows into the into the real future that I saw not really I maybe the less real future I don't know that the wild spectacular sci-fi future that I think shows like CES should provide but another one was that we're not Brennan and I went to go visit the chi booth the wireless power consortium hi may perhaps sensing this was coming has taken out his newspaper and put on his sunglasses I'm who is not used or ever had any interest in wireless charging but Brandon and I checked that out in the video will be up maybe never I may if maybe I have to add at this one I don't know sure that should i why don't you let me do it cuz you'll fall asleep go in it okay um we had a wonderful booth tour from a representative of the Qi wireless power consortium and he showed us all this all these incredible wireless charging pad some of which were integrated into automobiles yeah that makes a lot of sense because that make sense that makes it are the first thing I do is I take my phone out of my pocket so that I can check my text message and that is a nice and that isn't ways where I don't want wires I mean if you gave me an inductive charging pad that also pulled the music from my phone and pushed it to the car that would be the perfect usage yeah well they've already got it with NFC built-in you tap enhances you have it do knobbly but again I know what you need is car manufacturers that'll do it and they're doing that the one of the Chi guys she told the toyota avalon the new toyota avalon will have it built in i think costing was yeah the coil that moved based on where us so like you know like one of the big issues of the wireless charging that's been so annoying is that you have to put the phone in a very specific little target and Texas Instruments has developed a chipset that allows that that target area to be wider so on the Nokia Lumia charging pay you drop it on the search bread wherever and it'll charge that's fine but this one was an even bigger one that he showed us it was about the size of what like a like a book right okay yeah maybe 10 inches by 7 inches and you drop your phone anywhere on the pad and it kind of waits for a minute and then all of a sudden this blue ring of lights appears on the pad and tracks its way over to underneath your phone hot sauce in minutes start saying it's not something that is so alien I have this thought so so let's say it's two years from now three years from now we've wireless charging pads everywhere they're like on the nightstand of the hotel there in our cars yeah and we're just constantly charging our device and then it kind of misses the point kind of gifts OEM as an excuse to not innovate on battery life because we're constantly topping off you ever think about that I think like a wireless charger right now today even encourage you is it encouraging you to charge a lot more often absolutely true but I think that that makes for us if the entire world had our usage habits and had our consistent love affair with being inside you know I mean like that would be that would be the case but I think there are so many people who spend so long away from rooms and out in the world you know and terrified maybe you go outside but you say we had that moment a couple times yesterday we were trying transitioning between exhibit halls and we look outside like oh there's others windows here there's no tomorrow the Sun has changed the sky yeah now told us there what's going on um but it's that was those pretty cool this was cool to get that treasure I still have the feeling that wireless charging like in a vehicle it makes sense for me I hate wires in my car right absolutely that is like the place where I would love their the my Honda has this little compartment in the middle that used to be four CDs you don't exist anymore or at least for me they don't and that's where I usually place my phones mmhmm yeah me so if I had a wireless charging pad that I could place their bunk and just leave it leave my post that would be like perfect i was little can't you do that anyway if you take like a plug it into your cigarette allen can you do that when o it like a wireless charging pad and plugin you can but then you got to secure the pad somewhere yes double stage because it wouldn't be moving around and everything's yeah that's why the magnetic attachment of the nexus 4 to it's charging dock makes a lot of sense and I wish that was a part of the cheese standard as well I do I just feel I'm not really concerned with like what you're concerned Brandon I feel that you know battery technology is still something it is still you know even i think it was Steve Jobs that one sentence it's funny how that's the technology that has least that grown I mean if you want more battery power which you need as a bigger battery that you there's no way you can make a smaller battery yet right and that's really where people need to push and probably the ipad mini's like the first example where there has been true innovation on the battery hands on the design of the battery for is it to make it thinner and i feel that the problem with wireless charging is still again I feel that it's still a gimmick until you get it for free on the box we were talking about this last night if you have to buy it nobody comes in the box than your game yeah if it comes in the box all yeah why not I'll use it why not I mean yeah I mean I don't I don't really mind if I have to choose between acquired charging or wireless charging as long as it's included in the box that's me and she wouldn't made a big deal about saying like we have a big focus on not relying on interchangeable backs and stuff like that we want to build it into as many devices as possible but also and this is crucial to what you're saying I think in order for it to catch on in a wide sense manufacturers have to start including at least one wireless charging plate in the box I'll give you an example in people from most probably listeners you won't remember this ten years ago or I'd say 12 years ago if you wanted vibration on your Nokia phone you needed to buy a special bad bad a special a turret right had the vibration now that's true the vibration thing and then if you wanted for example a speakerphone non you're on your cell phone you needed to buy a special motorola that included it and then it started becoming ubiquitous in 2005 yeah when everything started getting a speakerphone which was yeah but it was it was the first motorola v60 cast that included the this is a speakerphone speaker with me six TV or something that yes it's the X and so I again if manufacturers are not really willing to include it somehow it won't and they will and it is already taking off I mean you know it's not just nokia that's doing i mean we've got HTC doing it in the butterfly / droid DNA we've HTC doing it for their a tax like Verizon in the States seems to be making a big push toward toward this for some reason I don't know what the carrier's interest is and having everybody would enable for wireless charging but what then it has a bemused look on his face as he reclines in a recumbent pose in the chair overlooking the Las Vegas Strip let's tune into his thoughts well I was going to talk about noida valley hahahahaha so you remember the name thing you know yeah we're walking around in what we refer to as the slums of types of CES what is on the sides there's all these like no name booths of companies make me the stupidest crap you could ever possibly they actually have their banners printed out of paper yeah Judy drop by hand like that yeah it's iphone cases and they're made out of like grass and Lisa we stumble across this interesting booth called noite diwani and they've got these devices set up they've got a tablet a big tablet a small tablet attendance of an inch and a phone with this crazy awesome amazing design and they're all dummy units kind of like prototype right then next to it there are a bunch of rugged phones yeah which are not Donald switcher which I fell in love with ya what phone is this he's like oh they don't have a name yet it was the weirdest thing that's right and so it's this company who's who's trying to like make Android devices and with with very interesting designs beautiful designs and it's Michael and I were kind of joking on on whether it's just another case of a company that vaporware either way it really screams that's that's the saddest thing about the whole thing to me because those designs are beautiful and by the way that whole team was was really amped to when we can really nice they were really nice that is not a cologne use so he had such a nice suit on like a sketch pad out like designing the next yeah we describe the design language a network the design the thrust of the whole experience cuz they were different did the rugged phones were likes on em devices like really breaking things and they're like bc weapons you they basically worry yeah and then the but these are the ones that caught Brandon's i were were beautifully symmetrical on the edges they were with rounded edges they leave a video yes yeah yeah it's not up yet yeah it'll be up soon but anyway so and but they also had like a race car out there and they had like did this weird concept phone that like has a fold-out thing and it looks like a tube of lipstick on steroids but it has like a pop-up display when physical keyboard and i don't know that that one to me screamed really really far out in the future and not even nearly go we've got a prototype on its right we got a prototype but it's not here yet it's like anxious yeah yeah yeah yeah i don't think they're so some of it was that was the frustrating part cuz some of it was so like gosh i wish this was even close to production but it's probably not but then you know we couldn't entirely dismiss them because it wasn't just cardboard dummy phones they had working models of those big rugged ones and then but we fired up one day there was another working device we fired up that looked a lot like a note 2 and it was running like a some rip off version of TouchWiz 36 inch screen wvga resolution and it had touch with the weirdest thing that seems illegal to me yeah I'm so it was orange it was or initially yeah a lot of it was orange all right a lot was orange just like the perfect segue to you what is it ubuntu ubuntu mobile ubuntu you blinked what a great time we had it ubuntu you like you but yeah i can't say i was i was really amped i was I it's too bad that I wasn't at the booth I really have high hopes for you bug too here's what I care about it and not to the not too distant future the image is going to be released so that everyone in their mother the few hours are you gonna an hour Alaskan can put it on their phone and it have a entirely new operating system i can't wait i'm gonna do that on the Galaxy Nexus that you so kindly provided and I'll take away from you has it man no nobody was great to see in person we didn't necessarily expect them to have a demo unit in the booth but then there was and there were nice enough to give us a tour there and very good to her oh yeah using it is it's like a puzzle there are just so many gestures and screens and things to figure out I like Windows 8 except when somehow well web or us now Weber us from simpler than both windows 8 and and what were you buddy that's a whole nother copper funny the funniest thing in the nice guy who worked for Yvonne two and had the Galaxy Nexus we were trying to frame the video and so he said Michael sodomie you know I know you've been demoing everything you don't have to do that for us we just want to see the top three things and he said I'll give you the top four things in fact the four things are the four edges of the screen that you can use that was great it was like such a Polish to the no usage in paradigm is that you use the edges of the screen so it's a buttonless design and and I think we talked about it last podcast how you can quickly switch between apps and I express concern and you could not go backwards but what it does is if you swipe from right to left it goes to your next at and then it's basically cycles it rotates between 3x yeah like the last three in memory which which makes perfect sense I think a rotates between all the all the apps that are that are currently open right and it just cycles endlessly until it starts over again the beginning so so you could I guess conceivably only open two apps so if you just email web um yeah you can hop easily between them yeah right yeah man make a prediction no come now yes I go with Michael yes of course come on I'll invites a beer okay listeners hate me for this but it's gonna be true either Microsoft figures out how to make Windows Phone 8 something important or you bunt to be being laid on the same core linux core that android does is gonna probably be the third operators no no not ever in a year or two years in are you most gonna be a hot are you high it's gonna be a hobbyist operating syste stink about it it's open source anybody could pull you bun to but you can't run android apps on that's the well how much do you think it'll take for that virtual Android the Android virtual machine to work on you bun too well we saw this way this is this is a really good segue he's explained yes thing we were still in the in this this of the supplies we were still in the CES slums which by the way which by the way I put out on Twitter I was like kissing kissing there like clever name for this and like people responded with a couple of a bunch of names and somebody finally said the cesspool would see yes Kevin but listen there's a lot of cool stuff and I don't want to talk about the fringes in a poor light but because we stumbled across this outfit that I'd heard of before called the the Open Mobile rope it's the opener Mobile Alliance right so yeah and I heard about them in the context of webos because when we talk about things like mobile you bun to open webOS sailfish whatever we talk about these new platforms which are maybe beautiful in a UI perspective and they may work really well but they are they have a major handicap and that they have no apps that's the that's the number ones that's exactly and you might not eat is what you might as well not even try and blackberry realize this when they develop that whatever that virtual android app runner for the PlayBook was which it would SH I don't know in other words never worked ranges problems with it right he saw the buy it through the right anyway and the open mobile uh folks were very kindly were they were under NDA on a lot of stuff they couldn't show us a lot of stuff which is maybe why they were on the fringes to see yes and I feel like they maybe had a similar show last year so that's a lot of people were saying on Twitter like they're basically it's shown the same exact thing that should last children has when it posts I'm sorry the deal is that with the they were basically running apps coded for android on non Android devices for us so they had a Tizen developer device i was running Tizen but they were running the Android version of angry birds and it's not an an emulator it's not on a scan it on the window yes it's not sandbox yeah you've no ideas and they they had a touchpad there that they said could run android apps yep which we just blew my mind absolutely and actually we right yeah yeah we should we shouldn't talk anymore about that but we saw some really ok so what direction I'm is in with me Bo Tizen Ali's based on the Linux core that's a very good question I don't know it all of them are I believe they are okay oh it's like you said submission of all time right yeah hey please listeners chiming in the car I think I'm based on linux actually oh yeah yeah didn't you look a little Russian yes so did the point is that I mean you know who knows this idea obviously has a lot of potential obviously there's a lot of licensing issues probably why we haven't seen low big progress on it but if something like this could gain mainstream acceptance if you could get suddenly 250,000 apps free or plat for your brand new platform then i would say that maybe mobile mobile your bun terry has a bunch of chance to change the world what you bunt to needs is number one I two strategies either a carrier based strategy where they would figure out you know an oem that would be willing to push them like HTC for example mmm that's the first thing or the second thing would be if they would allow me to dual-boot you bunt to on any Android phone out there then that would grow their popularity at the beginning allowing for I don't know if you could switch it will the blue boots annoying cousin you have to like shut down yeah I think it died if you quickly switch between operators if you're like you dis you bunch of sites I'm gonna get back to like parallels or something or a boot camp rotor yeah that doesn't exist for mobile I mean no I know so many you didn't do it on the hd2 yeah you can do anything with the hd2 runs OS just gonna say you can run a nuclear power fine i think the hd2 doesn't really i was seriously you know about some of these things I don't um yeah I don't know so anyway anyway so yeah I was surprised by how smaller booth was I think you open up my wallet generally present an impressive ara that they were you know and they were close to like success and speed of the you know the smaller boots no HTC yeah there's an HTC thing tonight 006 we'll see yeah I'm sure they'll just have devices on display it's a social thing I don't think they're announcing they would have done it by now they would have got a moon yeah unless they're doing this crazy like reverse you know psychic move that would be a cool tactics everyone's always trying to beat each other before the show starts he a great acting right like wait till the end of the show so go your way you weren't impressed by see yes I'm very sorry here's 8 devices glam or here's the old man that is like the smartest would that be sweet that would be sweet I Woodrow you should make an announcement yeah okay pocketnow now doing a six-point oh yeah may I feel oh that would be a really interesting strategy wouldn't it everybody remembers the last thing of everything yeah everybody does things that stays on your mind um there was actually there was something interesting there was a flip strategy tactics were turned on their heads at the tmobile enhancement yesterday which we know which we followed from a phone talked about a little bit you just make we could make it to the team all of it but everybody was oh yeah I wish we had now to Kai I'm like listen gizmodo um let me be honest with you guys I love your tweets I love your post you guys are hilarious they were completely just bashing the CEO they know know that we're bashing though they were there were there were rejoicing in his freeness oh yeah it was hit the decision you something poor egg no he didn't know we've already gotten to that point where we're twisting everything no but apparently some decision was made high in the ranks of t-mobile to do like all right this new CEO is gonna give this in Mays amazingly entertaining speech it'll suit a good job so t-mobile did the t-mobile see I was talking about like yeah like Verizon now yeah we respect them coverage wise I mean they they have a lot of covers they do a great job covering the dust bowl with LTE he's talking to like shared data plans don't work cuz you know Johnny's gonna be watching his porn and it's like what are you talking what's going on to the tmobile event he was right and he said something no you know it's true it was a great job at just what it did was you already said it made me wish that we were at the tmobile event ain't on some pretty cool point differentiators they're doing their their prepaid unlimited data plan all right if I run which is awesome they are doing they're doing LTE they're getting that out fast Las Vegas gonna be the first market in a few weeks and they're gonna have a hundred million people covered with everything I've no idea all right middle the year by entity or 200 many people which sounds like by the end of this year well they're gonna cover China as well they're getting the super range towers yeah by the end of this year most people should have t-mobile LTE uh those other one crave and the other was his HD voice thing how all these carriers that talk about the download there's some phones out there and no one's thinking seriously yeah but it'sit's something something it I think that will continue to be the case because the device has device has to support it too but but it's nice that you have a network that says hey we're gonna support HD Voice across our entire network so when you bring your HD Voice devices to our network they'll work do you think it'd make more phone calls when HD voices out oh I hate funk repellent HD text messages no I'll tell an ACO when you get those special seraphs yeah so i can text in Georgia in Georgia font I'll tell you this special a commenter once asked how do we communicate you hospice of the team yeah the team and it's interesting because most of our you know are talking about week leagues have been recorded through skype yes you know you skype and and it's amazing how how high definition sounds like it's right yes and you don't really you guys sound on it's not clear than you do right now exactly because we're breathing our own air around sky and not just las vegas desert but the thing is you know I didn't really have high hopes for HD Voice until skype adopted HD mmm and when I started listening to the difference of a phone call through skype yeah over data compared to a phone call over whatever service you want but not seriously yeah bless you there's no me there's no mute button in a life but whenever whatever HD HD voice makes it it's something I really am looking forward to yeah I really am it's cool and and I think it's cool and a broad sense just rig I don't pay much attention t-mobile I'll be honest with you it's doesn't do well in Boston I don't like their heads either I don't like no I do like their ads I don't like that i like the table I like the t-mobile girl I don't on a motorcycle she looks I like the pink color I like to hate the sugar shows like they're so catchy like we're electrical 12 know how this job at die that is the worst commercial to ever hit the airwaves play dumb and I'm not doing that let's get out of here well they leave my room oh I the the thing is I like that there's a carrier that was on the cusp of a multi-billion dollar merger and this they said this is the deutsche telekom was like finally we can offload t-mobile USA which we don't care about on 18 G's shoulders and we'll get rid of this and tmobile was planning for that and then it got shut down and rather than like roll over and die or like you know do something else there they're like all right well then we're going to take this whatever this 10 billion dollar termination tree was or whatever and we're gonna have the spectrum that we won from this failed bid and we're going to actually do something impressive I mean I think that's pretty cool I think they're gonna for the record listeners I think the only carrier that was actually like working here was t-mobile and it's because nobody was using I'm not sure was it working cuz I don't even think this you know t-mobile is using it so can we talk about that for a second every year I've been in Vegas I've been I brought an AT&T phone because I'm usually on Haiti and I always am very upset that I don't bring a verizon phone and I insisted on you get some verizon phones it's gonna be crazy and it was what so so so previous years it was so bad that you literally could not make a phone call for the duration of CES you could not get a data connection text messages nothing your phone is worthless it was like were you were dead yeah and this year I was so curious because most I feel like most people here have high and swept insane LTE now to you supposed to be much more efficient than the UMTS and the results are in and it's not fixed but it's much better and what I found happening a lot and I think and I ask people around me everyone was dropping down to 4G dropping down to HSPA yes everyone's driving on HSPA and and deleting the latency was pretty terrible but you could get through and there was only one or two times where I couldn't make a call or I couldn't you know check my email it's right so yeah AT&T fixed yes yes I excess when they throttled us every time we had at all it's not every good are usually we were trying to upload like ginger bites a jitterbug I mean all bunch of ginger bites it should we got your eyes for you since you're trying to put ginger snaps yeah as always and it gets like halfway through the video and then it's like 450 five minutes remaining yeah which is a giant Alex got it oh it's gonna be coming in about two to two weeks ago yeah when you get back ours are we're live on the ground at CES will be up by februari one um let me get back to a Buddhist I think it's really cool cuz like LTE it was a slap in the face for me I had the opposite level of surprise and like I was less impressed because yeah because I it was like LTE is supposed to like solve all these problems or whatever and it does and I agree it's way better and I guess I wasn't here for the all HSPA days of yore however um it doesn't matter what network technology you're using I think if you bring 150,000 people into your city and they're all using you know half of them or more know three-quarters of our more using your network at the same time to transmit vast quantities of data I just shouldn't it's there's no way to do it is it but then it's like I mean they prepared we've seen cell on wheels we've seen what sells on like Travis they had they had wireless hotspot all over they little distributed antenna system inside all over the floor there was AT&T Wi-Fi which was actually worse than LT they prepared as as much as they could and still you cannot prepare enough for that level of for that Alex I mean I understand that but it's so frustrating when you're trying to upload a video we're trying to get your content out there you're using like say the press room for the purpose of the press room which is to get videos and articles and photos posted she worked well the ether house fast yeah but the ethernet Wi-Fi was atrocious it's it's funny at CES and I don't think people can appreciate this so what happened is that Michael and I for the most part we're on the strip on the floor filming videos and I mean was rendering them and processing them and editing them in the press room but before that we we had a lot of different plans on how we were going to upload the video so we add tethering on LTE on AT&T on verizon on tmobile we didn't have sprint because it doesn't have LTE here just barely yeah it's a way those three options none of which worked because they throttle we had Wi-Fi everywhere which doesn't work and then so you're like how the hell do we upload these videos so you go back to the hotel but the hotel Wi-Fi is terrible you the only option is to go to the press room which is actually pretty good option if you can find a seat and you log into the ethernet and you're going anything I'd get out and after yeah yeah so it is like it's so easy so many obstacles it's so many obstacles to get videos to out hotel now out there sir but but but we got moved into a really good rhythm good grief yeah yesterday was the same but it was great we still got a backlog of what we've got but six more videos are actually shot we still have the cesspool of videos ready we've got ample ample ample blooper coverage oh yeah oh god we've got some of this the ciaz mattress was there and so we tested out early as much as the latest sir we test out that what is it the hot dog hundred a meatball leave all the house blow was that the wireless mattress yeah yeah yeah and and and also we have a kind of behind the scenes video which which we consciously did showing sort of us yeah that'll take a little time to edit the way that that you listeners deserve and it'll be up soon I live but we really want to show you what it's like to be here because it's it's it's I think it's it would be awesome if you know if you guys could be with us here I mean it's it's a beautiful experience of the nces it's an insane experience but we really want to share it is really want to share all the craziness that we had to go to go through to get the content of and once we figured it out it was great but every year it's different in every event is completely different and and this this event I feel it was more organized than last year than definitely um but still I have my high concerns about the future of CES after what we saw this year I don't it's just such an irony all that all the press events were focused on mobile and yet the company didn't really announce anything that was worth talking about in mobile yeah and that's that's that's sad i mean for businesses as i've said to my first CES and i started following CES 10 years ago yeah and I like when I was like phonescoop was the only website I knew about now that I would follow those guys and they give the announcements right from CES device after device Android devices like it was perfect and I've wanted to go to see us for such a long time have had a ball with you guys and it's been a real wonderful time wandering the tradeshow floor but it is it sad that that kind of storm of hundreds of devices from many manufacturers is no longer the case every manufacturer wants to do its own thing and I think I think 2012 was the best example of that you remember the day there was a motorola and an nokia in the nokia and the ipad mini event yeah yeah oh yeah I don't even have a week with his nokia motorola and a motorola and this HTC may be on the same day in New York ok and then Microsoft two days later wanted to release windows phone 8 right and then it was just I think I think that's what I think that's the message CES is sadly deluded it deludes the importance of the company and I feel that companies are doing it right everybody that takes what high importance in what they want to show to you will do their own event right I mean there's this airline saying you know whenever you want to certify an airline they're like this is not a business for poor people if you're willing to get into this business you're willing to invest in how you have to build it and I feel that companies in 2012 figured out that what Apple did to come out from complete oblivion a company that was completely bankrupt into the most the most valuable company in the world currently was that they took their precedent seriously they took their show seriously and they took their the handling of the press seriously and I think that that's what these companies are doing they're moving away from CES hmm I think um I think that's a good way to button it up I really see yes broker they said well summed up and I'm happy to have had the wisdom of you guys who've attended many CES as before to augment my own first-timer experience oh my thing what phone had the best lamb the experience cesium ZL yeah threat really so Brandon yesterday was asking like I'm trying to remember were the ports of the seal where I'm like how could you not remember if they've made like the number-one buzzword for CES like the bunch of sunny but flats like those jammies that I dream it up an access panel so well and it had that is little bit like well you know it's they did if you're using those jammies and you're making that restroom trip in Las Vegas just be prepared to walk six miles okay for the butt flap and listeners again it's a bit of great pleasure I I apologize for my voice yesterday was crazy when I'm I lost his voice yesterday it was just not so he kept telling me he's like he just wanted to go home I only wanted to do and I like it but we want to go hang out come on I was like I've had let's go you're a trooper York oh yeah yeah they're there as well my closing remarks will be there's still more from CES again the event actually ends on Friday we're actually going to hit the show floor later on that's right to be a lot more things we just needed to get this podcast out because if not it was never gonna happen it was never gonna happen with so much we've gotta do i need to go deal with the whole cesspools videos but but it's been a real pleasure sharing the show floor with you guys likewise yeah I mean it's interesting that and this is just the thing I mean I there's this Latin American channel that are all our Latin American listeners would know about which is when you soon and it was interesting because these guys I felt really good because these guys were with an army of reporters so here it's the army of camera people and an army of dated equipment right and for a minute there I saw us three at the press room by our with our sony and buy art buy our 24th video already right and I was like man this is awesome we are better equipped yeah then this army yeah and we actually proved that with what we did i'm really proud of what we did I mean I feel that even though CES was not as impressive as I expected it to be I feel that we we did an amazing job yesterday and I hope that you listeners I hope that you feel the same because we can really yeah we busted up those oh yeah and and listeners thank you for writing on with suggestions on what to cover and we get managed to get to a lot of booths and we're going to try and get some more today we obviously can't get to all of it because we even though there are three of us here that's not that is really not enough people to do to even if we have the entire pocketnow team here would be enough to cover everything so we pick and choose what we cover and sorry if we didn't get to what you your special requests but we do listen and thank you for for entertaining us and and suggesting things on Twitter and and through the comments and just thanks for reaching out being with us on this fantastical journey in the desert we're gonna go to that in and out burger this afternoon I'm gonna enjoy the F out of it haha does that mean oh you know in and out burger are you likes to get your pants so you see you've been talking about the bun as I tweeted last night I think it's like Jaime that in and out experience oh yeah tonight guys have been talking about the Yeti microphone 26 english accenture huawei the 6-inch mate the 6-inch bait and the in and out next year I think we got our podcast title for Z yeah it out all right I think that's uh I think that that brings us to our wrap-up and that does wrap it up for this special CES edition of the pocket now weekly find us on Twitter Brendan minimun is that Brandon minimun ha me Rivera is at high may underscore 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