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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 0 to 9 of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discussed the small the large and the in charge in the world of mobile technology I'm your host Michael Fisher and joining me this morning from the center of the pocket now media empire editor-in-chief Brandon minimun good morning to you what oh and also coming all the way from on Duras and an overdue return to the pocket now weekly multimedia editor Jaime Rivera good morning the good morning the small the larger the in charge right here come up with this stuff yeah yeah I gently try and wake up at least seven minutes before the podcast and and write the intro before I've had my coffee so you know I'm still I still have all my dreams from of like you know in sync era fun late 90s expressions you realize that it's become a thing now right everyone expects you to come up with a new clever way to just say we cover large bones small phones and comes in between and everything in between yeah yeah and I've rid myself into a corner with it but it's good it's alright it'll be fun for everyone um we have a lot to cover as usual we have some announcements and I already I already have a flashing red light on my on my new device here which is gonna be distracting me throughout the whole podcast I've just a certain new device I am so envious i cannot wait to talk about this new device but first let's get some announcements out of the way for fans of our brand new series putt the pocket now live our series of Google Hangouts with the readers there is a post up about this already today but we thought we'd let the listeners to the weekly no we do not have the n episode of the pocket now live this week we are dealing with some technical issues that we are trying to get ironed out as soon as possible but they are currently beyond our control so we apologize we would love to hang out with you guys but it's just not going to happen this week and we are very sorry but we are having a hang out of our own which is very secret and that's that's all I'm able to say about that but it will lead to a special announcement from pocket now Leah what next week in the brand in the week after I think it should be carrying on februari 11th februari 11 stay tuned for an announcement from pocket now and a guarding pocket now regarding already regarding yeah that's the pocket no media empire and it'll be great so stay tuned for that do you've anything more to say about that Brenner can we jump into the thought thread there there's nothing else I could possibly say about it the night if that it's good it's good it's exciting it's a it's an expansion of our team and some other changes to our team and we're growing up just a whole bunch of good stuff yeah we're we're shaping up into a just a promising promising little group aren't we all right let's let's jump into the tops right here the device yeah yes chin stroking time just kidding it I know I won't edit that smuggle now that's staying right in let's move on let's jump into the thought thread which is about this device that I alluded to as as many of you as people who follow us on Twitter know this is going to be a very blackberry centric podcast at least at the top because this that is the new device sitting next to me it is a blackberry z10 blackberry kind of Oprah moment 'add all of us at the Toronto of a nerd actually at all the launch events but I is so I have that here we'll talk about a device in second but I want to talk about the device first excuse me I want to talk about the event first now I went to I went to toronto for the event and as you may be aware listeners and readers of pocket now longtime readers we have not historically covered blackberry as a matter of fact have wheat Brandon heavily or I may have we ever covered blackberry extensively yeah I miss not on really just accidentally like every so often somebody mentions blackberry it's incidentally up to the point where of everybody any if any of our listeners watch pocket out daily they'll notice that the first news I ever covered a blackberry was with your announcement that was pretty good yeah so so this is exciting right because we've never covered it before and we don't even have a like a banner for it on the home screen so when we do a blackberry story it's just like a homeless story it's like a web oster but over that we're fixing that though that's coming in the future redesign in a redesign coming soon but anyway because we've never covered blackberry before the issue has been that like trying to get in the door for this launch event was a little difficult because obviously the company then known as rim had not heard of us or you know they'd heard of us but we didn't weren't terribly relevant to them so it was really difficult even getting them to respond to our inquiries to come cover an event but unfortunately they did we had we had a wonderful contact inside rim who we've got to know and we were invited to the launch event but we couldn't go to the New York when because it was already full so I ended up driving nine hours to Toronto from Boston because the last-minute plane flight would have been just um teen thousands of dollars and so I drove through like cloud covered mountain tops in western Massachusetts and New York and I lucky you it was fun man I like I enjoyed the drive it was what did you do on the way Jen's listen to music I listened to our podcast I listened to other folks podcasts I really seriously I was just podcast in the whole time and I was making phone calls i was making and taking phone calls because the only time i do that is when i am too bored to do anything else and I can't text you know obviously so it was fun though I got to you know here are some of our friends on at other sites on the air I got to hear some people who we don't know and you know it was great it was it was very informative drive but I popped my ear so I've got some weird right ear problems because of the altitude so I don't know what's going on with that but the thing is the blackberry event itself in Toronto was really cool because it was in Canada and Canadians are so like amped about their blackberry making company it's like a matter of national pride so when the announcements were going on you know we saw the live stream from New York we saw it from London or wherever and from all the other global locations where blackberry was making this announcement people were pretty excited whatever but when the live cam came up on Toronto did you guys see that like the when the live cam came up on Toronto and like everyone was supposed to wave or whatever like everyone like jumped out of their seats and like wave their arms around like it was some kind of football game like like somebody just scored a goal in in soccer sound like that and it really it was absolutely crazy and actually on the livestream you could see the people like in the audio in New York and elsewhere like laughing at the Toronto um explosion but it was really cool like it wasn't tacky there were no there were no plants in the audience that you know you know the plants that the companies will put in there to start clapping when like an event happened so that people clap ah you know don't ya it was not there may have been planned in the audience but they were not like they were not necessary everyone was legit cheering all the time there's just there was just so much authentic love for bb10 you didn't need to have a plan they're really what like if seriously it was like it was like everyone was cheering for their hometown team that had been down for a couple years wasn't down coming back so it was really easy to get caught up in that that kind of excitement and the product in many ways you know deserves it i think at this early stage but um the annoying thing is that blackberry who recently changed our name to blackberry which we can talk about in a second if you want i had this really cool event going on for about a half hour where they're showing us the new features of the two phones they announced they're showing us bb10 and really great stuff and then you know what we're all riding pretty high and then they're like we're gonna bring out our new our new creative director or some made-up position Alicia Keys oh god I love Alicia and I stopped loving her after that my god that was terrible like I was really terrible it is and like here's the thing it wouldn't have been terrible if they brought her out and just asked her for her authentic impressions of the new blackberry or yeah yeah the authentic impressions like the jessica alba thing for windows phone where she was like oh yeah and i just loaded my itunes music on and jovial fury was like oh yeah yeah method the phone to to our was certain to our windows software on the mac and that's how she got it right you know making us so stupid all right so that's a good point right so you can't just let him let him say anything but um like she leased keys comes onstage and she's just she's reading off the teleprompter which is fine okay fine but she clearly didn't write the content that she was like spewing she's just dropping corporate buzzword afterbuzz where she's like oh yeah I really like using the blackberry balance you know it's really nice that it's a device built for work and play and I'm really love dad it's like a commercial allow mercial yeah gently and then I I follow her on Instagram and she's always publishing things that she obviously did not do on a z10 she did on it's an instrument for iOS more specifically like she and she had this whole convoluted story about how she's like you know I was with blackberry for a while but then you did you put disappointed me so I went over to Iowa to the iphone but now blackberry you've been working out and you know now I can come back and you know whatever that this cute and stuff but it's it's just you don't stop stop lying to me you do not carry this device in your daily life unless a company is throwing millions of dollars at you and it frustrated me to such an extent that you can actually go back and look at my tweets where they get legit angry we're like a follower was like somebody got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning like listen I was having a good time I'm here longer just deep I've been alone everybody they're telling us that i'm a fanboy fine just push it out to me right now but um whenever there's an app that whenever there's an apple music event you get the ardent at the end of the events playing music not talking about the device that's just right one exactly like doing what they do about it just it really annoys me for companies to use celebrities like oh wow so now that Alicia Keys uses blackberry oh my god I'm going to go running to go by the way I have every single alicia keys album um I am NOT gonna go buy that thing just because she's talking about it I thought I think it gives it legitimacy what I do I think it I think it helps in people associate I don't i'm not an alicia keys fan but like let's say Andre 3000 steve is yo yo yo check out this Windows Phone nine now would do a rap about it oh yeah I kind of I would sort of think about on 33,000 when I pick up a Windows Phone I'd advise I people links off together I mean we are like people link stuff together but it's it's I think it just completely undermines the authenticity of what they're what they're trying to accomplish because it's not like they were trying to boost up a mediocre device like Samsung was doing with the Galaxy Note end up one when they brought Baz Luhrmann out on stage right so that was like a mediocre tablet that they're like propping up with celebrity endorsements and it's much more akin to that Windows Phone Jessica Alba thing where it's like let's bring out Jessica Alba to talk about how this is awesome for working moms like but even that was like more relevant like this alicia keys and just sort of came out of nowhere and i can understand that the mentality that drives a company to do that out of like you know in BlackBerry's position where they're like we have lost a lot of share here and we need to get this you know get get this big and in depth but you think all her call her the me the the Ambassador the blackberry ambassador but i but the creative director yeah they're they're pretty much confirming that she were putting which is complete BS just complete BS you know here's the point um we hate and I think our commoners know that we hate paid chills we despise them and that's what Alicia Keys look like up and chill yeah so I don't know I don't want to talk about Alicia Keys all day all I'm saying is it was just so so transparent and so disingenuous and so irritating particularly on the heels of such a cool what up to that moment had been such a cool morning and I felt a little bad for forgetting so angry on Twitter until I looked at the rest of the Twitter's feared and until I listened to some of our competitors podcasts and like everyone felt the same way no one was into this everyone would you know don't pander to to me don't don't like patronize me with this like obvious falsehood I'm not going to get excited because Alicia Keys is falsely backing a product that I know she's just going to come home and like put on the counter and pick up her iPhone and start using like it does doing it you know I think the problem was really the audience I mean you know a room full of press people um is really not the audience where you want it I mean if this would have been a live stream that every single customer every blackberry customer could have ever watched then it would have made sense to bring alicia keys on stage and call her the ambassador but if you want to do it you know to the press that's not really gonna go well yeah so you know but fortunately um and and since by the way since we did mention samsung and nokia i'm gonna write a piece on this because it's not just blackberry i mean everyone does this and it's stupid all the time so we'll we'll discuss this maybe more later but i want to talk about the device and the new platform which actually is really cool and wiggle huh it is it it has surprised me that's an interesting way to describe it can we just kill me can we get into this because I've got a lot questions sleaze they just just just hit me with a man like please because I've got it right here this I've got the z10 they Oprah moment at us like I said so every reporter in the room got a z10 and I've been using it since yesterday so for a moment all right yeah I think I think the most relevant question in a day when there are competing devices is why blackberry 10 what is it or is there anything about that device that you've been using that has a better capability than your note to your Lumia 920 an iphone 5 there is there there are a few things and they're they're unique and they're interesting and you know I read some of the other reviews because as usual some other sites got review units like weeks in advance and they were able to go up right at the at like midnight or whatever the hell it was that morning and you know we didn't get one of those because we haven't been a blackberry cover a very for very long but I read a lot of these reviews and they didn't cover a lot of them didn't cover what makes the new BlackBerry so unique and that's because a lot of sites are not tailored to cover like enterprise use of use cases and we aren't either because frankly I mean consumers don't really want to read about that stuff it's generally pretty boring to a lot of consumers unless they're they really invested in corporate smartphone doings but blackberry balance is pretty cool it's the feature that I feel like blackberry and other companies try it always cart out card out this feature where they're like you want your phone to be for work and play well god our phone does both of them equally well and you know Windows Phone tries to make that claim and blackberry just does it completely differently with blackberry with this you can like switch swipe down from it you can access a very special menu and hit a button and your phone like it Reese Ken's it wreath Eames it like everything turns business like it did you see I see it am I in the the software tour eres law does that does that it that's an interesting extra step but does that extra step add value or are you better off having everything mixed together like you would on your android phone it depends on your well it depends on your preferences but it also depends on your employer's preferences like what's nice is that it doesn't just change the wallpaper to like carbon fiber and it's I call an element business mode like it actually establishes rules that are then governed by whatever your company's server like does so in business mode you have access to certain files and certain documents and like the file manager and stuff that you do not have access to and personal mode and vice versa so it also prevents you from coming in like whatever hung over on a monday morning and accidentally like you know sending out some pictures you took over the weekend via your corporate email like you know II because it doesn't let you access it like establishes a very strong firewall between everything you've determined as personal and everything you've determined as corporate and it's on the same device so I think it does do that better than than anything I've seen so far it's certainly not the other okay so it's cool that's an interesting I mean that's absolutely not something that I would switch to blackberry for so please continue on the stuff that it does better it's okay no but but but but I'll you know to Michael's point I'll make one you know I worked 15 years and in airline businesses and you know for me it was really cool I worked in an airline where everything was connected the first one hmm and I had to you know I had access to everything everywhere and my problem was that I would get you know I would have these crazy 10 12 hour days and then I it was like you know since the airline work 24 hours i would get these crazy emails or crazy communications or whatever at midnight and you know the cool thing about going to the other airline was like when you were in the airline you got bud when you were out of the airline you couldn't be connected to anything so we don't ya you had a life you seriously had a life um and you know I really that was really cool and you know if if that is a policy there are actually companies that have those policies where where you know you're just not going to be disturbed from this time to this time and you know I think that's the cool thing to do so I feel I feel that it has a purpose right and you know maybe it was a mistake to lead out for that because that just one of the dryer features of this thing but from a like if you're just a user and you want to know like you know some quick quick stuff that it does really really well there's it's really difficult to describe the the UI but you know I me you I don't go on going about it forever like the live tiles we had to like the live tiles on windows phone and blackberry kind of replaces that with these like your last 8 apps I end up in in very webos like cards on your on your home screen landing page but that's you know that's cool and we can kind of talk about that but the thing is if you swipe to the right from your home screen you just take your thumb and you slide to the right you're dropped into the blackberry hub and this is the coolest thing about it because I have not I'll tell you guys I have not been in the blackberry app world much at all in it since picking up the device i've downloaded like google talk and like one other thing because I've been so I've had a lot of message traffic obviously in the past couple days and blackberry still whether it's but I think this applies to blackberry 7 maybe as well but even then but blackberry 10 especially does messaging better than any device than any other device that I have used what is it what do you mean by that so that when you swipe to the right you get in the BlackBerry hub and it which is a mishmash of that's the right neither is just like a it's a it's a unified inbox okay of like everything including your tweets and your Facebook I'm everyone to tell you exactly what it includes includes system notifications BBM text messages gmail pocketnow mail facebook twitter google talk at phone calls and voicemail so every possible kind of notification i could have on this device it's all aggregated into a list and then if you swipe right again you can filter that list again into any of those categories it's like I just want to see my work email you just swipe to the right and then you do that so it a grits the messages in a very blackberry way BlackBerry's been doing that for like since its inception has done this unified inbox really well but in in modern form not only is it useful but now it's also somewhat pretty like it's still very businesslike straight-laced blackberry but it's actually really cool and if you pull down on the message list instead of doing a pull to refresh which might actually be used pretty useful it shows you your upcoming calendar events so they're kind of always there for you're like oh all right the weekly is coming up I got to follow up with some people okay and then you release it and it snaps back to your message list and then if you were there go ahead a little I I'll say other little icons to say that these are tweets these are Facebook conversations yeah there are to the left of everything there's like a little delineator like show a text message bubble or a tweeter or a Twitter tweeter or a twitter icon or you know whatever and then you also have like status messages as blackberry has always done for sending so say you send something like you get the little wave icon when it's trying to send and then you get a check mark when it's delivered which is really cool I don't know I don't know Brandon remembers this but I recently started in pocket mail like five how long was it I don't remember but I recently started I was like men I just got myself a blackberry remember the blackberry pearl back there oh yeah it was the hotness I I was you know I I was so I was like oh my god I really did not want a blackberry I seriously didn't until I actually unbox the thing and started using it and really what blew me away was that hub you know that the messaging the inbox yeah you know it I was like oh god I don't have to go anywhere everything's here everything's here it's in a straight run down it is diametrically opposed to what Windows Phone does which makes you go all over the place and your inner different hoes because it has no notification center so what the iphone does as well I mean the iphone gives you notifications but everything just keeps pushing you from app to app right oh and i phone and Android put them in that notification shade right like this is basically a different form of that steps off the left and what's awesome so if you're watching youtube video on blackberry 10 and you want to see like a notification comes in the red light starts flashing it doesn't have a persistent message bar across the top like there's no status bar across the top of the screen which is kind of annoying in a way like there's no glanceable info but if you drag your thumb up from the bottom of the screen while that youtube video is playing you get the the peak option and from off to the left your little notification icons come onto the screen and they're like oh you have a facebook message and an email and it's like okay i don't want to deal with either of those you just bring your thumb back down and the video never gets interrupted or just quit easy isn't it better though if you have a notification bar at the top so you don't have to like you know do that you don't have to take your hands off yes it totally is and I used blackberry navigation to turn-by-turn navigation to get me back from Toronto so for nine hours I had nine hours to think about how I would really like this to be a glanceable model because every time a notification came in I had to like reach up to the phone and like put my finger on the screen and like peek in so yes that that is annoying I feel like it could be fixed if blackberry had simply installed a multi-colored LED instead of the the flashing red one yeah because like I mean that would fix the problem instantly without having to compromise their screen aesthetic which is very it's a little like Windows Phone in that it's like you don't want that status bar all the time we're gonna hide it most of the time which okay you know you guys are not liking that i'm eric i actually do I it's just funny but for example one of the things you everybody in this planet hates iOS notifications you know you hate being interrupted you're trying to read a book you're trying to you know watch a video and you know these things just pop up on top of a little portion of the video um it just really annoys me and I you know there are certain things that I you know I wish it I actually wrote an editorial about this I wish that that iOS do not disturb thing actually worked when the phone is on you know I wish that I could tell it not to bother me when I'm reading a book right um and you know the fact that if they are focusing on making the video and the navigation immersive and that you're not being you know distracted by notifications is something I do like now yeah it's probably taking it to an extreme I understand what you're going yeah it is i mean there's a happy medium that they still have yet to find I mean but then one point oh they're not going to be able to find it but what before I forget about messaging one of the nice things is when you decide to reply you've got this new keyboard model now you guys have seen this right we're like the keyboard the new predictive text yeah yeah you slow you swipe up and everything tell you you swipe up it's that little bits of work predictions yeah the way predictions instead of appearing on a ribbon at the top of the keyboard like Android it the word predictions happen on like on the keyboard like you're typing and these words are floating up like clouds from the keys like under your thumb tips and it's it's weird and what is it cool thing is does it work is it is it good that has two answers if you're I have found that if you are typing with two fingers if you're like flying like you know going high speed you don't use it like you they just don't even they're not even a distraction after a few seconds you just don't use them because you're going so fast but if you are carrying this thing with one hand which is very easy to do because it's a four point two inch screen z10 and you've got like groceries in your other hand or whatever and you're trying to text it is so useful because you can start typing like exploring or whatever like a long word and by the time you hit exp it already knows what you want to say and you can just flick up to to throw that word right into the text and that and that sounds a little bit better a little B there's less just less thumb travel than iOS and Android right exactly much less um now it is difficult to get used to because your eye on Android has been trained to go to the top of the keyboard and that's you know that that's fine and that's it works well and I'm very fast when I'm typing on Android but once you get used to the blackberry implementation which I'm still in the middle of like I say two handed typing it doesn't really work well in one-handed typing it it has really saved me a lot of time already is that I think most people type with two fingers is that to say that the keyboard is not necessarily better for two handed to two finger typers for two finger typers I would say the blackberry 10 keyboard is probably on par with the stock jelly bean or stock windows phone 8 keyboard windows from a keyboard I don't over and Michael well let's leave windows phone 8 related for later sure um because you remember a you remember that somebody told us in me when we were in Vegas that the iOS keyboard was actually designed for 11 yes yes I do remember that so you well I actually you know the guy was like you know it is true you just give it a try and I you know actually give it a game to try and the guy was you know the guy was actually right but so you feel you have that same feeling that it's really functional when one handed but it's obviously made for two hands as well yes and especially when you go to landscape me you can really fly on it and it's responsive you know blackberry didn't like I couldn't afford to screw up the keyboard right oh and there's another thing too now you guys high maybe in particular and and Tony if he were here would really appreciate this you can start typing in another language so II like you don't have to change the key bowl I swiftkey like SwiftKey probably I should really use that but yeah you just start typing in like you know in French or in Spanish whatever and it detects that you're doing well and it puts all the that is amazing yeah I puts the accent lately switched my email sending to Android just because of that just yeah well I'd see I've i am the ignorant american of course i only only speak one language well and uh you know i can't i can't type in other languages seeing the demo was really cool I have a question the the keyboard the on-screen keyboard looks a lot like a real keyboard cuz it's got those like fake metallic bars between yeah the rose yeah I imagine that helps to space the keys out vertically is that helpful or do you find it to increase the the finger travel that you'd use no I mean I'm looking at the bands right now and there may be about poof gosh I don't know maybe the space it looks actually smaller than the iOS keyboard the spacing is probably right on par with I don't unfortunately don't have an iphone 5 here next to it to compare and I haven't used on iOS keyboard in a while on a mobile device but you know it's it's the spacing is very very good and the bands echo the actual metal bands on the q10 which isn't released yet but won't the real physical keyboard which now on the software thing they don't serve a purpose other than aesthetics on the blackberry q10 the those metal bands actually keep the keys in place I was told so if you drop the the blackberry q10 it like your keys don't go flying everywhere like so that that's it's nicely thought out your Alicia Keys don't go flying anywhere Oh God but I can we do that episode so they're still there go ahead go ahead good I was gonna say there's like a jillion things in dog well so let's move on from the keyboard yeah and why don't we talk about apps next because when you were talking about YouTube you got me curious on how this thing does deals with YouTube is there a native YouTube app ya know they just drop it it's just like Windows Phone you tap youtube it drops you and am youtube com which is fine that you know that youtube.com is great it's not it right the problem that m.youtube.com is it doesn't stream the true HD like on android you get 720p video plus the comment formatting is all screwed up it's it's old school like it's weird it's its services but it's not what can they do you know its rim like Google is just being kind of openly hostile to a lot of smaller platforms that's a good point and you know it's not that it's not i'm not willing to blame rim just as i'm not willing to blame microsoft if like if google doesn't want to play with you then there's nothing you can do except try and be nice to them or try and throw money at them or something you know so so there I go ahead go ahead oh sorry i can say that i was gonna say so there are 22 different i guess are three different kinds of apps there are the sort of qnx apps that that we found in the playbook then there are the native BB 10 apps and then there are android apps is that is that right oh right yeah because they have to get to that amazing 70,000 apps on launch day number they had to have a porta thong where they they ported a lot of android apps which I didn't realize also ported the Android UI from within those apps oh yeah so if you're running like a game or something on a dialog box comes up it's like oh wow that's that's the dialog box from Android that's weird and not doesn't feel great and it looks like android 2.1 look yeah yeah it's gingerbread right yeah something like this right oh yeah I think it is so whatever the case it doesn't it doesn't look great but yeah some of the native apps from like you can see the astonishing tribes influence in some of these like the the clock is really really pretty and you know it sounds like stupids like ma'am but we're going to talk about the clock but it is actually you can see the potential for some of these apps to look really good but there's only a couple there's only a handful frankly I'm a little disappointed that there's not more of a TI t influence throughout man i saw asphalt 7 there and that's that just sold me in and told me in because I know it's a stupid game but the point is I mean those phone users still using asphalt five right so the fact that Blackberry figured out how to get you know some of the newer things you know I wrote this in an editorial yesterday I don't care if the if these guys have a million apps you know it i mean windows phone has a hundred thousand apps out of which 70,000 are all ports are all fake points ports of something real and I really even hate the fact that Microsoft actually promotes like these fake pinter steps um when and you know just get the damn Pinterest app I mean what's the what's such a the big deal and I you know I feel blackberry they you know I hear that i heard that they said it you know we focused on the best 1000 apps that were on these app stores and that's what we got and that's really the way you should approach it oh yeah they they they had some weak-ass like dig at Microsoft where they like forget about the 46 out of the top 50 we've got 70,000 which is like oh okay so like okay how many of them are you booked you know do they have do they have spotify no they're not if I know but they don't have Pandora they don't have soup they do have skype yeah when you search for spotify you get music master for blackberry a three-dollar rap with one star oh yeah let's see when you search for you what because I was trying to I was trying to use Yelp before you know I was trying to like I was like oh man I'm in Toronto let me see if I can find a burger place now you search yelp you get Yelp news a free app with no reviews when you have netflix and hulu and netflix is not there neither is hulu netflix is a big omission for launch day actually i think big omission definitely frankly and fortunately google talk is there but yeah i just want to confirm pandora while we're in here now Apollo pandora radio client pandora city guide and music master for blackberry again these apps with very few stars so there are significant significant gaps in the app store it's it's commendable that they managed to launch with 70,000 apps but i think a lot of that is just kind of playing this this numbers game where they're like blow them away with the number and we'll get to the the cool apps later because there's not much that's that's really piquing my interest in the absolute westra what do you guys predict will happen with the app situation over the next year that's a very good question and I think as just holding this thing and looking at it and seeing how invested rim is in it and how like fiercely devoted they are to this idea this platform is compelling enough two of which where I think developers would at least pause before choosing between developing for windows phone or blackberries the third platform like developers will give this a chance I think well let's let's think like a developer developers want devices that are in lots of people's hands so they want it to be on lots of devices I know I'm being a bit of an acer soso but there will be two devices blackberry 10 we don't know about carrier availability sprint said that they'll have a blackberry 10 device and oh no we do I don't think any other carriers mentioned no in the states we've got ya off it'll be on all for nationals oh oh okay that's that's news to me that's that's a great start yeah um isn't that great yeah cuz I'll of all four carriers announced pre-registration and price plans in the z10 is going to be available for every fifth and it'll you know whatever so it's it's definitely definitely definitely going to be in a lot of hands i I'm I'm going to put this whole out you know to answer the app thing okay first of all there are a ton of blackberry enthusiasts still there still out there right um and the difference between oh you know I wrote you know Windows Phone vs blackberry 10 which is the next underdog I wrote that yesterday and you know my point was very simple I mean there is already a big market of blackberry users out there that just want another blackberry um there are a ton of companies that already have blackberry enterprise servers they just want to keep using them and so I feel that there is already a big opportunity in market share out there for people that just want to move to an ex blackberry and that is so easy to forget when you if you live in America a way if you live in America but then when you come to Latin America this country is flocked with blackberries everybody's got a blackberry here it's amazing and so I'll same theory Canada yeah exactly and so here's here's the arm in the in the in the case of Windows Phone for example the reason why I feel that it's been so difficult for Microsoft to pick it up is because there wasn't really any Windows Phone enthusiasts out there that are willing to you know people from windows mobile were really let down by windows phone instead of like being oh my God we're going to Windows Phone 7 you know the reaction was completely opposite yeah well it was a fresh start like it was something so completely different and stuff and we keep talking about Windows Phone by the way because it's very very important because if one does phone a blackberry are are gonna be head-to-head I mean they're fighting for the third place slot right now we don't need to worry about Android and iOS like getting to parody with them you know getting anywhere close to overcoming them it's so far down the road it's amazing but Windows Phone 8 and blackberry 10 are the are the biggest head-butters around right now I think and write write you go ahead and there and there breza and the reason why I mentioned is because yet the reason why I mentioned it is because um you know for those poor probably you know upset by whatever I wrote yes rate that the point was very simple you know it's not that I'm hating Microsoft I'm just talking about a mathematical fact you know one company already has a market share and the other one is still struggling to figure that out I mean we already we've already had windows phone for pretty much three versions over the past two and a half years and the apps the app prob has not been fixed well then we've got blackberry and then we've got blackberry that figured out dropbox on launch date then figured out asphalt 7 on launch date so i can what my so I'm like Who am I gonna trust am I gonna trust the company that figured it out on day one with no excuses a couple of excuses or am I gonna am I gonna trust on the company that's been here for two and a half years and that has not figured it I think that's a no III I know where you're coming from I think it's a gross oversimplification because yeah blackberry figured out a couple things on launch date and it's cool that they launched with an impressive number but they're not launching with we just went through it like five minutes ago they're not launching with some crucial apps that even windows 8 managed to launch was such as Netflix so that you know the BlackBerry has its own severe app problems but I think blackberry is showing more promise on launch day than Windows Phone did in either in either at seven or its eight iterations right so I think it has less less distance to travel to to grow in that sense but it's going to be interesting to see how it plays out but it's it's funny to me how how how very much like actually webos it is where it's like I for me personally where's like I'm enjoying using the device in its interface baseline out of box functionality so much that I haven't even paid attention to the app situation much in the past couple days were you gonna say some Brennan I was gonna I was gonna say you know what gets my antenna extended hmm this uh no III don't what I'm with this all right I was gonna say this this white q10 yeah it really does it for me with the white q10 the white q10 yes oh I didn't see a white q tennis other the other one the q10 is that cute the qwerty enabled one yeah tchenka check google images here's here's the here's a funny thing about these hardware keyboards they totally went away and we haven't seen an android phone save for a few kind of low-end mid-range motorola devices that have had had a qwerty keyboard because i think people have fully accepted and are so used to on-screen keyboards and they're really good ah and of course there's this whole issue of why would you want to have a qwerty keyboard when you could make the to hold devices screen but anyway I I want to I I feel more productive with a qwerty keyboard maybe it's just a mental thing of like here these buttons are clicking in but like this this this q10 although the keys are arranged like a you know they're arranged in a grid which is kind of weird they're not staggered it gets me excited it really does what he does be too I completely agree and I played with the q10 and I tried to get some hands-on time of the q10 but I was so busy shooting the z10 videos and by the time I wanted to get some hands on the q10 they were wrapping up so I was like damn it but I the q10 is really cool it looks like a blackberry bold with it with a taller screen and what's the coolest thing about it besides the physical keyboard is they didn't make it a mid-range device because normally Brandon you're absolutely right like these android devices with physical keyboards are almost always this mid-range crap where it's like oh wow the specs suck and the performance sucks and whatever but the the q10 has the same guts as the z10 has the same process for the same ram the screen size is reduced but the quality is not the camera is that resolution it's just it's just a Z time of the keyboard is this so much a video with that yeah that's gonna be it's not a multimedia she I was thinking that too high me like oh jeez bars galore games are gonna be weird to but I feel like I feel like this is the cute ends really a messaging device job it is it and so it's got its got probably an AMOLED display like the z10 is right it does yep it's the exact same display technology and I think it's yawning the resolution is it's like it's 720 x 720 is it a square oven by 720 yeah yeah that's gonna be that's gonna be a crisp green it and end is end the z10 is probably very crisp screen can you see any pixels Michael it does indeed I cannot and you know not very good at spotting pixels but that it has a 356 PPI I'm pretty high she's not bad at all that's better than the iphone come on yeah no it's it's it's it's quite nice what's interesting though I do I don't want to leave this point behind like Canada I mean there I've talked about how nationalistic they are but with regard to how black but how BlackBerry does and everyone seems very invested in it but not only do I see people on the street and in Toronto just carrying blackberries everywhere everyone still has an old blackberry my z10 was being asked about kind of like constantly after I got it like I talked to the hotel clerk at the marriott for like 15 minutes and I mean people are really really so there are that is another advantage that blackberry has is that they do have this installed base which we dismiss in America because we've been watching people for years drop their BlackBerry's off at the recycling center because they got their new iphone and you know corporations are adopting iphone integration all this kind of stuff but there is still a large base of installed blackberry customers that are going to be pretty interested in this yeah and that's what gives me that's another thing that gives me hope for them that's not a good good that's good it's a do you find the z10 attractive I mean I me and I were talking about how thick those bezels are is that a problem you mean on the top and bottom and the sides and the sides very thick bezel all around you know I don't find it I don't find it unattractive it looks some people have said that it looks like um like it looks like a reference device or a developer device a little bit prototyped it almost looks like the dev alpha yeah but it's it doesn't it doesn't look that bad okay but it does have a certain amount of no nonsense like there's not a lot of glitz to it it's you know it's a matte finish on the top and bottom the bezel doesn't bother me on the screen too much and the back is this textured back that looks rigid but it's actually kind of soft touchy it feels pretty good um you know this is a fun that I wouldn't mind beating up a little bit it seems like it could take it it's as if my girlfriend said last night when I was showing it to her she was like it's like an iPhone and a droid had a pet a baby I guess basically what it is it's like a cross between the droid a baby and song already on God oh no it is like like the weird offspring of an iphone 5 and a droid x or something like that I want that phone I want that so it yet I mean hardware wise it's cool can I tell you that something a little weird and maybe this will make me sound like a super amateur I don't know but I had this with a Roger or a bell Sam in Canada okay so this is you know who's bored can find up there I crossed the border in the United States i'm still using it for navigation so I'm like I'll let me pop in my AT&T sim when I put in my AT&T sim and powered this blackberry on I got instead of the blackberry splash screen I got a brand new AT&T splash screen no way yeah and my ring tone changed to an AT&T ringtone oh come on I didn't even know this was technically possible i think yeah that's so strange information was story asim that could like affect splash screens and like ring too I have no I are you getting are you getting LTE oh yeah I sure so you know it's probably I mean it's wow that's very interesting it kind of makes it kind of makes sense because when you put the belt it's probably an AT&T phone first and so you put the bell sim and it says oh I'm roaming and then we put the AT&T sim and it's like oh I'm at home you know this so no this is an unlocked global device no I think I think that what they're doing is they you know they they're changing something you know they have a way of something is pre-installed on the phone and when it detects the sim it just adapts because you know whenever you buy a blot you like here in my country by Theo blackberry it gives you a Teagle splash screen or you go to Claude oh and you get the other splash screen and obviously that's pre-installed on the phone but I guess they figured out a way to do it you know like you know in a way that it could flip itself depending on what happens can probably even downloads it from the net and just you know you just really don't know what's happening well I could but yeah it actually could be you could use the data connection to just grab it but so anyway I found that very interesting can we talk just briefly about some of the the one point out stuff that that is very obvious like that they really had to rush this thing out the door it is it's it's once again very reminiscent of picking up my palm pre and like going home with it on in 2009 and being like oh oh you guys weren't done oh that's amazing that they it's it's really incredible if that is the case because this has been you know this is already delayed one timing what have they been you know I I'm sure it's very complicated to do what they've done but it's just surprising but anyway what is a half-baked the navigation the turn-by-turn navigation would I used from Toronto to Boston and that's a nine hour drive as I said before and it performed well it's using map data from Tom Tamra Garmin or something like that it's being experienced it's very bare bones but worse than that it freezes so like the phone doesn't freeze the phone doesn't hang a reboot but the app like all of a sudden the road animation will stop moving and also it's so it's worse than Apple maps can that be even possible yeah well I mean as far as the maps itself go the maps are fine if they're a little bare bone but the navigation so like I'm driving along and I'm like all of a sudden I realized that like for 15 miles the display on the screen hasn't changed much like I've been in a gradual left-hand turn for 15 miles and I'm like what that can't be right and if i unlock today I'm like oh you're not even updating what's going on so that happened about six or seven times in 9 hours so that was exciting don't use a z10 to to drive with it's a it's it's interesting notes where is it first impressions versus driving notes I've got I've got a whole bunch of notes for the for the for the eventual review i guess or whatever we do but like the facebook Messenger is so laggy that it's completely unusable the blackberry blackberry is built in this kind of like Siri competitor which is pretty much the same icon is Siri which is very kind of test and it's convenient because you can use it with the convenience k that's between the volume up and volume down you press and hold and then you've got voice command but like I was using it to make phone calls yesterday and i'm like call you know Brandon minimun and then it thinks about it for like 15 seconds and then it's like and then when it finally decides to call you regardless of how many numbers you have like I have like six phone numbers under you Brennan it's like calling Brandon minimun mobile like the only time it asks which number you want to call is like if you have multiple mobile instances always defaults to mobile and then this is what I it competes with s voice then God you know what it doesn't even compete with s voice like it's it's that it's pretty bad and what Brandon didn't I send you an email yesterday yeah it was like I like aliens on my birthday that are naked Oh what was I will actually uh because you can't tell what the content of the messages at all the aiea soso voice tick tick tick I just got an Android and Windows Phone so it's not fantastic on my those phone but yes it is fantastic and iOS Android a degree but it's it's just it's it's it's slow and not accurate what I will tell you that listeners get to get to hear the sentence this is what blackberry voice dictation thought I was trying to say in an email to Brandon no Tony I like the more hot mama so maybe I have been underwritten you later will exam tomorrow like that's it is the most ridiculous interpretation of nothing speak it was the hot mama hot viola no it wasn't it wasn't anything close to that like I don't you know I'm not gonna it's a little it's like it's it's like a private business thing so I'm not going to say what I was trying to say but man that it was ridiculous so so there's there's bugs you know none of them are really major major except for that driving one seriously don't don't don't rely on the term a turn to get you anywhere and but but you know these are things that I imagine will get fixed relatively quickly we have to see what BlackBerry's track record is on updates with the new BlackBerry OS we have to see how well you know how quickly they deal with bugs like this and how and and and how quickly they can solve the app problem frankly but I all this stuff combined just to wrap it up really really roughly from my end gives me more hope for this platform than I thought I kind of went to this event thinking I'm like here's the last gasp out of blackberry before somebody snaps them up but ok you know they seem it's just it's it's a product that I'm I'm excited about actually ok i'll tell you why i want that blackberry 10 yeah ok first of all they're not doing the jumbo thing right they're not you know they're they're bringing in a decent size that's good for your hand and that's focused on really use using the phone and not just lookin big you know thought that I agree yet that I think I think we all kind of agree with it with that idea that maybe we kind of want our 442 4.3 inch phones back yeah yes and we I also like the fact that they are not doing mid-tier you know they've you know they've always been a mid tiered company which is funny and now they're just doing high end that's that's really interesting um but really for me okay which are my biggest gripes with iOS for example I hate getting a notification and getting popped into the app and have to wait for the app to refresh oh that's so ridiculous that is ridiculous notifying me if it's not ready it's exactly i mean if you come from windows mobile you're really spoiled and you just don't want for the apt to refresh and to my understanding you don't have that prom in blackberry right right now if you're if you're a p8 of an app that like okay the second thing is um for me you know I feel that it's really smart that you know when you turn on the phone the first thing you get I like the fact that you don't actually don't have to press the power button I like the fact that you can slide it on yeah which is really cool it is home oh yeah everyone everyone in the comment but i hate the commenters today by the way all the like i made yes that's a whole nother thing but um everyone's like oh you know me you know I wouldn't like that cuz it's gonna like unlock in my pants pocket like alright that's fine is legitimate you can mash your palm against the screen you can mash your thigh against that it doesn't matter it is finger detection it's not unlocking in your pants pocket everyone settled down please continue her at how does it do that without you know wasting battery life and we should talk about battery life soon but doesn't it have to like constantly watch for a gesture like that constantly wait for a gesture yeah I don't know how it does it but um you you'll recall that the n9 did the same thing with amigo yeah yeah mine did the sink you can drag from bit and firm and for me the thing about it is it's better life was fun you remember whole string on blackberries you remember that you could buy a holster and when you put it in the holster it would turn off coat on and then you pulled it out and it turned it on it does that I did the holster that I have does that now yeah cuz it comes with 100 you're kidding it does that too it comes with one yeah it's got a matter on a better that's God the man got screwed up my hotel key mother made me fall in love with blackberry years ago yeah it's gonna do it again I am going to do it again yes okay but one thing that I really found interesting is the whole thing that when you turn the phone on you go into your recently used apps i mean i think that's like a really smart thing I mean what else do you you what else do you do when you turn on phone I mean you want to go usually the recently you mean here's the deal I have a ton of apps on my iphone or on my droid phone but still there are really only like five apps that I like permanently and constantly use and here i get a tiles so I i like that i like the fact that my five favorite lee use applications instagram facebook email of twitter are gonna be permanently in the cards in front well yeah i just want to keep using them yeah absolutely yeah and you're gonna automatically refresh themselves in the card right and sometimes they'll they'll turn into like like widget like things like if the app supports it when they're minimized you can watch the the process killer or whatever connects is doing you can watch it coming in in the background cuz the card will minimize to like a minimized view first then after about two or three seconds if it's enabled for like widget view it'll flash up its its widget form a problem with that like if you have if you have the weather app open and you know you you only check the weather once a day and you're using other apps the weather widget which is useful to see the temperature floats to the bottom of the page right yes and that is forget in it I don't think and I don't think you can rearrange them now I'm trying to rearrange now walls ball but that could be a version two you know I just I feel that here's the deal it's gotta be yeah what what the what the things don't i like about iOS for example i like you know I like that the UI is very well you know it uses the space very well and it does the same on blackberry 10 I like that you know they're not giving you people in like Gigantor text at the top and just blocking like half your display you know they're actually using the hub better in when it comes to space but you know I like the fact that it's elegant and that it uses space well and I like the fact that it's actually smart you know the hub is smart I always felt that it was Martin blackberry said in all the previous versions so I am looking forward to it I am looking forward to waiting on on them to figure out apps and I definitely want a z10 that's me yeah yeah I wanted to to say Brennan in response to your brief bit about battery life it is not impressive so far not impressive is that movie you're using it a lot or because you're watching it go down by ten percent with five minutes is a combination i mean i am using it a lot um it is a tiny cell to it's like 1800 milliamp hours now everybody's complaining about the battery on yeah it doesn't seem like it's gonna do too well on the battery life thing but well I'm going to reserve judgment but you know you've got a you've got a really you know further for the device sighs you've got a really large and high resolution screen I know it's not large in conventional terms but it's it's it's a large its large relative to the battery and you have this blackberry hub that's working you know it's got LTE it's got a lot of power draining stuff going on I mean let me ask you something yeah uh the blackberry 10 is one of the first pretty much fully gesture-based operating systems it doesn't rely on buttons or am I wrote it requires you to remember a bunch of gestures right are you finding that to be frustrating or or or is it helpful yeah not have buttons yes yes both it's it's awesome because gesture based OS is once you get into the groove of them you really you really can move pretty quickly and you can get a lot done with much more so than mashing on a stupid mechanical button which I've just hate so eighties yes it is well and and it extends the durability of the phone I mean Brandi just had a problem with the iphone 4s with a button being the button dragon but the thing is no no it's true but also there is a learning curve and this is the important part and this is what i think is hurting windows 8 already and it's it's gonna hurt blackberry because the learning curve for the gestures on blackberry i would argue are steeper then gather their crazy that go go up and then to the left or right to the left again right now yes not as good it's not because you slide up with your thumb from the bezel to unlock now that's intuitive but you slide up from the bezel and the screen extends to the right and then you move to the right then it extends further to the right like that's not it doesn't immediately come to you and then you slide down from the top four settings that's that's okay but the thing is sometimes there's a back button and sometimes there's not if there's not a back button you have to remember what direction to slide the screen to go back and if there is a back button sometimes you forget to look for it because you're trying to slide the screen so there's a lack of consistency in the gesture based you I that is frustrating and if you have somebody who's not like a lot but forgive me but like maybe a lot of business users who are like I don't have time to mess around i need just or just for it to work like the same thing they feel about windows 8 right because like if you're not willing to invest the two or three days into getting used to the gestures that I think it probably takes then this thing is going to have I would wager that it's going to have a high return rate until blackberry figures out a way to communicate gestures once again I found like a broken record but I can come back to webos webos suffered significantly in the retail outlets before it before palm was able to teach people how to use the gestures with an animation and blackberry has a little guy down here that you can like you know view the gut and how to work the blackberry but it doesn't let you like it shows you what to do in the screen with animations but you can't actually do the action it's asking Schneider actors right so it's like so it's like put your thumb here and then slide up like this and then a green arrow does it and then it's like and I'm like oh okay I'd like to try that then it's like swipe right to see the next thing I'm like no no I want to try it I made that in one hour some in turn made that real quick yeah I think gestures to for the record I think gestures are our mistake I think and you know we were talking about that with randon on on launch day well and so sadly we we recorded our impressions of blackberry 10 and we couldn't upload the video for certain technical issues no no you know it was really disappointing but the thing is I think gestures are missed our mistake you know I love gestures on OS 10 but they're optional you're not forced to use them yeah I I don't think it's a mistake I really don't i just think that it's not in its launch iteration it's not consistent enough and it's not it's gonna be very difficult to educate the customer on and that's the prob I think that I think that one gesture to be basic like going home and or turning the phone on and then the UI should be filled with arrows and then people could just gesture if they want or use the arrows well going home is is pretty consistent like from anywhere in the OS you can swipe up from the bezel on the bottom to go back to the home screen so there is that at least yeah but there needs to be more consistency introduced yet but anyway um yeah I don't know if we have a ton of content coming on blackberry like really a lot I think we have a lot more to do don't worry the next time we compare a blackberry to Windows Phone I will remember that you can search for apps in windows phone by the way oh yeah oh yeah the only thing is why were you gonna search for apps if you weren't gonna find any Oh troll in yeah all right so let go by the way I feel like a kid in a candy store windows phone 7.8 because Spotify works on it what yeah yes horse adjust position right yeah it's based on 7 and all the 7 apps work on it and Spotify is working so i don't like a kid in a candy store i don't want to talk about that at all I'm that frustrates meets into no degree every time I pick up on Windows Phone and I'm like I love almost every part about you and then I can't use Spotify and I'm like get out of my face go over there with the other Instagram lyst devices um let's see coming I look I could talk about blackberry all day but we should probably move on to other platforms you guys agree given my way and closing thoughts on blackberry well well actually I i just i'd like to get Jaime and I started to do this and then we ran into a problem I liked it to get a prediction for him from all of you about what we're going to be talking about in a year from now if blackberry will be like Windows Phone is today you know you know it get it getting gaining momentum or if people will have not received it very well Wow I think that depends on I think that ultimately depends on whether rim is able or blackberry is able to survive long enough to make it to this time next year and if it is not if it is not hardy enough to survive if it gets snapped up by somebody else then whether that acquiring company is willing to continue with this platform so in if that is the case if whoever acquires them if that happens is willing to keep pushing blackberry into the market or if rim survives and they're willing to keep pushing black friend of the market which is obviously they are then yes I think this absolutely has a chance of still being around in a year and fighting the good fight against windows phone if they run into problems where they can't scale if effectively or if they run out of money and they miss a cycle like palm did then it'll be it'll be palm all over again yeah that that's what I you've got a good point i mean this could be like the palm story all over again if he I don't want it to be because that was a horrible horrible experience for you know everyone were you yeah for me especially if I yeah I don't know my predictions are that blackberry has better chances of succeeding than Windows Phone and I do believe that this is the next underdog and you know at least in emerging countries there is so much of a fan base already for blackberry that there is a lot of potential for the platform to strive I just I feel that sadly you know when those phone is not gonna be there yet I feel that they they're still running over excuses or for me blackberry is the next underdog and I disagree with hi may I think windows phone will continue to be this third clicks underdog because i feel that Windows Phone finally has momentum yeah they're selling a lot of Lumias you've got multiple hardware partners making devices this blackberry thing you're never gonna see an HTC or Samsung blackberry so they've always got that and you know the only company that I can think of that can pull off making their own hardware and software is Apple well that's the thing blackberry pretty much taught them how to do that right so you know I think just looking at the facts of the situation and looking at how it feels windows phone is not going anywhere like Windows Phone is is has a lot of momentum as you just said Brandon and also Microsoft is completely unwilling to to let that just go by the wayside I mean they're aggressively they're gonna just keep their foot on the gas until windows phone is out there and on the other side of things you have blackberry with far fewer resources and a much more precarious situation as a company but with this fierce thing where we're even torsten Hines who doesn't express emotion I don't think like ever was like you know saying things like this isn't the finish line this is the starting line and we could have gone with another platform but instead we decided to just stay the course and do our own thing and I mean they have the there's fierce determination at the new blackberry I think to make this work so you have these two these two platforms vying for the third place spot that are going to collide and it's going to be it's not going to be a an uninteresting show it's going to be really incredible I think in a year we stand a pretty good chance of seeing these two really in a heated battle yeah well it's fun talking about blackberry for a full hour and five minutes left yeah yeah let's let's see if we can blaze through some of the some of this other so because there has been other news i haven't read any of it until this morning because I've been too busy in Toronto but this is um this is some cool stuff I guess samsung is teasing a Super Bowl ad for for for sunday i love i i i was watching I was floating through YouTube last night and I saw that video come up and I happily watched that entire advertisement because it was just it was funny and here and it was is also low frustrating cuz it's like you guys are gonna just talk about the note 2 at the Super Bowl aren't you and and you know that's what's gonna happen but think the ad was funny with Seth Seth Rogen and that other dude I was pregnant I was really funny freaking uh Paul Rudd like the best comedic actor ever i love him um yea high self to watch the ad i'm not gonna lie to you i haven't had time to watch commercial but i'm glad to hear it's cool i'm annoyed that yeah it's probably gonna be pushing an old product but not an old product but you know not one of their newer ones but it's you will have to wait until sunday to see if you're not an American listener you're probably are still aware that the Super Bowl is a massive slot for ad pushes and this is going to be huge you know I with the amount of resources samsung throws into their marketing though i have to say that like i'm excited to see the commercial or whatever but I it's I'm getting a little tired of Samsung saturating there was I feel like Tony like two months ago where he was like I will not buy a samsung device because I'm tired of seeing their billboards because I already have one for free I you know I feel a little like Tony I'm like I'm like you know I'm getting tired of seeing I mean literally it's everywhere and I like mark I like marketing saturation I love when a company knows how to put a brand and style and they didn't you know you know I I have a lot of admiration for good marketing creativity and I feel that Samsung is doing it I think that they're there killing it with their ads I mean I think they're their marketing firm should we come in I think creativity is not really the right word I agree their marketing firm should be commended but these are not the most creative ads I'd like you know phone tablet the best of both yeah but the thing is I mean creativity can be so many more things than just art you know it could be a compelling way to make people laugh uh you know with a stupid ad that only lasts 30 seconds well yeah but I don't none of them make me laugh I guess it's maybe just a taste thing where it's like I understand how exactly oh god I hate you God I'm like Samsung seriously think this is the thing this is what you're doing now you're like you're like promoting sexting like I have nothing against sexting but it's like wow all right wait a way to be weird samsung thanks for making me feel a little dirty and awkward anyway blah blah blah blah blah let's talk a little more about samsung because they have bought a stake in wacom the company that makes awesome to pressure-sensitive art pads and the digitizer within the galaxy note of the galaxy note 2 and the ghost an attendant one and presumably the Galaxy Note 8 all the Galaxy Notes I can't wait for the galaxy s3 to get an S Pen oh why really uh you know I you I'd be willing to i'd be willing to carry that thing you know somewhere you know I you know I just I love the Galaxy Note it's currently my daily driver and I just you know it's funny cuz you don't have the knowledge it either and i just cannot go back to the galaxy s3 welch isn't to do things that that s pen does are just like men it really adds value to the phone i hate you i use a typical conversation I have with someone hi how are you good how you doing good what phone you use i'm using the note 2 yeah uh ever use that s been no are you uh but i'm glad i have it uh I don't use it looky you know it's funny because I was sitting at dunkin donuts today with the with the blackberry z10 and at one point I went to pull out the S Pen haha because I'm so used to using the note 2 and I'm not like I use the S Pen all the time but I do use it when I'm sitting there and I have both hands available the S Pen is really good for scrolling because you can just hover over the bottom of it is awesome and you know it's funny but I already figured out how to write on this thing no no one knows you're right no don't you know way to pit I can't believe I'm doing this but I'm doing so so this is cool we have the whole spectrum we have me who used the S Pen infrequently Brandon who's like just not even what and I'm is like yeah man i just i wrote my grocery list on this like that's Kyle I am serious I mean I like it I it's something nice to have it adds value and I'd rather have it than not have it yeah I I guess I guess you're not wrong I guess your opinion is not wrong um I get you know what's so funny about this red flashing light is you really can't ignore it like I just keep getting derailed because the blackberry light keeps going off just turn it over right yeah I don't want to it's so pretty anyway um so it's cool that Samsung has bought this stake in in in in Wacom because I mean what does this mean for the future here I mean it still work it's like Steven story says it works out to a merely 60 million dollar investment which is like peanuts for samsung but that's you know that's significant well just think about it they they want to make it exclusive to them sure that sets anything x i 70 so is that what this i mean is that the most significant takeaway here is that meaning that like all these competitors that are trying to ride the notes coattails and come out with six inch plus phones like are not are gonna have to find another way to differentiate because they're not gonna be able to do with the stylus unless there's another company that makes an excellent pressure-sensitive digitizer that can be incorporated into a beautiful display right which i don't know about yeah it's a competing thing I mean apple bought liquid metal we still don't know what they're gonna use it for but they bought it did that what'swhat's liquid metal why am I am i it's a special type of metal that's as strong as aluminum but it's lighter oh so it's like what Nokia is doing with that that weather weird material right yeah yeah yeah you know they bought that they bought the whole company they just wanted from them stuff for themselves we still haven't seen a device use it probably the iphone 6 so you never know but but you know that's what they do they buy these really unique things like Siri because they don't want anybody else to grab them right and i make sense i mean competitively speaking that's makes sense yeah speaking that's just keep rolling out with the samsung stuff we are hearing a rumor that there might not be an official unpacked event at mwc do we think this has any great well it didn't happen last year as well they didn't have an updated most likely be that way I mean Sam so just had their own show and it makes sense you know last year we were really underwhelmed by really mid to phones being launched would have a couple of really bad tablets come on no that's a galaxy samsung is there the galaxy beam their brother come on now God you know the girl was like I am sorry but the booth that we used to demo the galaxy beam is currently being used and I'm like oh so that thing can't illuminate the wall she's like no you need to be in a in a little lights issue its move on like all right look at galaxy beam and the projector phone is something that was just know each other I remember I was telling a friend of mine he was like oh have you seen that galaxy beam it just arrived at a store next you know there's this store here and it just the right that it's really cool it i might just imagine yourself for a minute talking to your friends and try to show them something on the wall but then having some okay let's go to a dark room no that is not gonna sound right so you know it's true um so yeah you know but it was confusing to me because Samsung was willing to have a giant event at CES for their like TVs but they're not willing to have any kind of event for the note 8 which we're pretty sure is gonna drop at mwc hmm I don't know I need that's a good point I guess a good point we'll find out where we're now in the same arm down yeah one thing that will be revealed at mwc everyone hold on to your hats is the ZTE 5.7 inch grand memo 50 grand memo out I've been waiting for this forever what is ET by the way it's that it's not that that feeling you get in your stomach when you eat too many beans gozie okay right you know we played with some of the Grand line at at CES and some you know we like some of some of what we saw there with the grand s not the grand king s as what's happened I think that's the only part you liked about it the faculty were cracking up about that the rest of the afternoon he tricked us she really did I don't think she had the wherewithal to trick us meme oh I keep forgetting with like sex frats a fire saffron sacra yes anyway um anyway yeah so whatever everyone is I think you know ZTE is is entering the race to build the next not very good phablet right we have this mate we have the grant we've Sony's rumored monstrosity with its digitizer photo I do Berkman struck yeah man I mean like none of this is gonna be a note killer like nothing as we just talked about with this kind of wacom thing like unless companies find a way to differentiate based on something other than size you can build a phablet fine pill to build a giant phablet that's cool but it has to have another something else to set it apart even if it is innovative multitasking like that would actually make a lot of sense my 12 year old son was like man you look really ridiculous putting that galaxy note 2 on your head so can you imagine doing that with you know like the 6 inch yeah the 6.1 inch because like I said god seriously it's just that well we'll pull a Tony they're doing that with the iPad yeah with you baby um so okay whatever let's let's let's move on from that there's also on the opposite side of the spectrum from sound wise there's this HTC mini oh job I loved I loved Stevens headline here the HTC mini is a great idea that will be mocked to death and then he's right he's right you lose gonna buy a phone or his phone sir no one is going to use that it's a 10 less you're inside of a room where no one else's okay so here's the deal in the Western world countries like the one I live on you know theft is so common here that I would gladly have an HTC mini and pull it out but then you know it's gonna be like ah so it is there's a point where you're just like well I've been pulling out my iphone 5 forever since it was launched and I haven't got mugged yet so right so why do i why do I need a minute you're gonna need to be mugged in order to really want to start using that thing if you're not familiar with the mini it is a it is an accessory a bluetooth accessory for a smartphone that looks like a like a wireless home telephone from like 1996 except shrunken down to a very small size it's got a keypad on us got a little screen and it's basically just a bluetooth accessory free phone so I get it you know actually how may you make a good point in the anti-theft argument I remember about four or five years ago somebody had built a bluetooth headset into like an old-school nokia 3390 or something like that and it was basically selling them on a on a maid for you basis so that if you bought that brand new like six hundred dollars smartphone and you wanted to keep that in your pocket if you're in a high crime area or you know you don't want to see people you know you don't want people to see you're talking on your very expensive phone yeah yeah but you think for those people that have not been mugged yet this is the way it works they stop you they put a gun into your face in their life by the way as they're like empty your pockets so what am I gonna do keep the droid DNA and like my underwear or what I mean is it I don't know CIB i am captain to phone so I'm often walking around with two phones and I often wonder about that I'm like what if I got held up again could I just give him like my less valuable phone that's always on my mind man I'm like okay what am I gonna give him this is a very much they send you back home naked so there's just no way for you to conceal the phone especially if it's a phablet there's like really no cavity at your body to actually hold that tips on being mugged from the bottom our weekly podcast he he's he's like he's like hey man what are you so happy about and you're like no that's just my note 2 in the bottom okay it's vibrating junk it's just it's just my S Pen believe me it's your ass better your AP hey my sea pen oh god the sea pen it's such an awful thing um oh yeah that's the dump n then awful capacitor pen from Samsung for like 30 bucks yeah let's uh let's close out Android because there's this beautiful frickin unicorn phone called the Nexus 4 which I don't really you know we've talked about we talked it to death but it's white there are many more shots now of this white Nexus very pretty either they get an orderly sell it I don't know nobody knows oh and I mean are they actually get a cylinder oh there well it's available at the black one they still haven't figured out how to sell they got it they got it available it's been available for like a whole day now like that's that's that's a world record yeah this this is if you're not if you're not seeing the photos you should look at them of the nexus 4 in white because it almost single-handed lately like changes my opinion on it not that I think the black one is ugly but I would almost be able to put up with no LTE for the white yeah none of these yeah I like the white ones yeah there's probably more Android news but we are we have to keep movin you want to go into Windows Phone 8 here and talk about our favorite tablet ooh so it's nice about going into this story which is titled a surface RT return rate reportedly very high is that if you skip the body of the story and go right down to the comments as many windows phone champions do you can read the outrage and they're just the bubbling fury of these extremely defensive and angry angry people who always comment on Windows Phone stories and then you can see all the up votes they get from their cronies I i I'm going to write a piece soon about how you are ruining ruining windows of 8 and Windows Phone for me and for Microsoft you overly aggressive commenters and I don't like you and you guys did you guys see the comments on the post that I did of the surface pro and inhuman Bona I didn't you know that an MSP 48 version but all you get is twenty four gigs available yeah well you know there's no sense in reporting on the fact no right but you know i got like i got like a hundred comments of people that were like okay they were trying to defend the undefendable it's like yeah but what's wrong with 24 games and i'm like i could buy a fully fledged macbook air for 100 bucks more and get fifty nine gigs of storage available and not 24 so like yeah why don't you just start removing the blower and I'm like well what's the point then I mean what's the point of having to remove stuff yeah so this is entirely true and I'm sure we will talk about this next week because i think this editorial isla will go up next week sometime and brent and i'll probably run about you first Oh yeah so anyway the point is this the surface RT return rate has been reported to be very high by cnet this was via PC world yeah pc world and there's there's some suggestion is the actual number of shipped surface RT's looks to fluctuate between 900,000 and 1.25 million but the actual like sell-through might be significantly lower around 700,000 because of very high return rate and that's not about the hardware it's about the software is what the story tells us now I I mean hi mate we know how you feel about this IIIi understand exactly how you feel about this story I want to hear I want to know if Brandon is surprised by this I if it's true bought a surface RT yeah I wonder if i gloated very quickly infinity yeah and i think i think a lot of other people are doing the same thing you know i don't think i would have kept a surface RT in its current state i like whereas just to draw a quick parallel to to blackberry not that i want to keep talking about it but if i bought a black bear in its current state i could forgive it's um I could forgive the errors that it brings a board with its one point 0 kind of product with Windows Phone excuse me with windows 8 i'm not sure i could forgive the lack of functionality that i find in it for my needs so i would probably have been one of the returners as well and but I mean you know Jaime you would have you would have kept it and bought four more right oh yeah I would have definitely you know I need these like car cleaners very bad like no I you know I find it a complete irony I mean Microsoft is a software company how is it that they make these you know they make this really cool hardware on the surface and then the software sucks right how is that possible i was i was at this at the staples the other day i was looking at the new spread of windows 8 and office 365 stuff which is all very interesting then I see the surface and I just i'm reminded of how absurd some aspects of it are like for example they had the touch cover no that's good you know so people can type with one hundred and fifty dollars and then they had different of the touch cover for a hundred and what is it twenty dollars it's it's so overpriced and then and then I looked at the prices of like Windows Windows 8 is like in the hundreds now like 199 bucks or something after the the discount is over when it was previously 40 bucks and and then office office is like a hundred and sixty bucks or something and Microsoft just has the wrong idea about pricing and what people are willing to pay and it's they're gonna figure it out very quickly in an age when when OS 10 is like 19 bucks and where people are switching to google docs it's it's easier than ever to say no to microsoft office today because there are so many alternatives this is the time when they need to get real on pricing not only for office and windows but for you know a touch cover that that you know that's a really good point III have not often thought about how price factors into all this and you're absolutely correct i mean we see what happens to tablets that enter the market overpriced i mean they're very very quickly discounted and the surface as the surface seen it's big discount yet or no no well it's close to getting there i mean just think about it how many android tablets survived before the kindle fire came out and dropped everything to 200 bucks right i mean really really until my droid market is is flooded with overpriced android tablets too I mean still they they've tried to learn a lesson but look at companies like toshi about where it's like yeah we got this awesome 7-inch tablet which legitimately really is awesome in this 8270 or whatever yeah it's like it's it's only like five hundred bucks but then you still have microsoft ads that are that are you they're like oh this is a delicious clicking noise that you get from the touch cover and the surface and you're like man these guys really don't get it you know these guys really just don't get it starting from marketing to their own products yes it goes back to that discussion about the introductory commercials to the surface we're all about clicking in like this click thing like who cares about that people care about what the thing actually does and I guess they don't really want to talk about it because it doesn't do anything it runs were on PowerPoint in this bake windows environment and gives you access to a library of the smallest app store ever although maybe I'll get better so I think that um I think that the here the tanks rolling around the corner and I think some people are getting ready with rocket-propelled grenades outside my window so we should probably know I am here I you're gonna propel your rockets so listen let's talk about something a little bit more positive on the Microsoft side in this by the way this made me feel really warm and said the google has extended to google announced that it would have liked months ago that it was going to terminate exchange exchange activesync support for windows phone devices which would have completely eviscerated contact sync and and some one of the oak calendar sync and also would have relegated gmail to I'm app on windows phone devices well it has extended that January 31st which was yesterday I guess google announced that the extension will go until July thirty-first yeah which means a Microsoft now has time to bake these I guess these open protocols like CalDAV and carddav into Windows Phone 8 in a future update which will preserve this sinking ability now I was terrorized I mean like you know I've you know that Lumia 920 is one of my daily drivers by the way commenters I use a windows phone as a daily driver shut up um anyway you know that I use this and I was petrified because i also am very invested in the Google yuko system so I'm like I can't ik i'm not gonna be able to deal with this i mean you know i went the minute i switch phones to another windows phone i'm gonna lose all this stuff so i'm very pleased as i'm sure many people are about this extension I wonder what went on and like backdoor deals to get this done I'm sure Microsoft had to do something real nice for Google you know what I mean yeah they probably had to cop something up yeah here's what happened they said yo how about a bunch of cash they're like I wondered uh yeah I wonder if it I don't know I still I have this theory where I feel that you know Apple and Google they hate each other but they get along better than they do with Microsoft and I just feel that they are just doing everything in their power to destroy the competitive side of Microsoft they're doing everything they can to pull the rug from the from from their floor and any there it's just evident it's really working and just like a second finds out there's pretty much getting you know a little breath of their own money cuz they did that you know you know Google comes up with with their google search and then comes Microsoft with Windows Live search and everything that everybody has ever done cool that you know Microsoft has wanted to compete and so I feel that it's fine that they're doing this to Microsoft it doesn't it make it doesn't that make it very confusing that Google actually kind of relented on this like I feel like Microsoft really must have come at them aggressively with some kind of offer because Google was like had its feet set in the mud like it was like now we're not we're not doing this like even two weeks ago you know Microsoft was comes out with this press statement they're like we're very surprised about this we we wish we could have worked with Google to preserve this I could seem like there was no hope whatsoever whoever pulled this deal out deserves to get a week off I think because this is going to really help Windows Phone in the short term while Microsoft resident works on implementing these discal Devon carddav support or you can always switch to outlook.com which I will not be doing but where there's a very helpful link to Adam lanes story on our site in this news post I have no interest in having an Outlook com email address but that is just me that's that's almost as uncool as having a hot meal it's just everybody's like oh you don't you don't get spotify but there's windows like there's xbox music right I mean you don't get instagram oh but we've got these camera filters I'm like who and who has ever told you that I wanted an alternative to Instagram I know I want to Instagram I don't ya I want Instagram not the alternative so let's talk about let's talk about a platform that has Instagram and that has every other app under the Sun we have news out of the iOS camp for the first time in a while I feel like this is I was like it's gonna be another podcast when we don't talk about Apple at all but no there's some stuff here there's the ipad the ipad 5 may have had its back leaked has this been debunked yet or is this still maybe a rumor even if that is not it that is it that is exactly what a knife I ipad 5 is going to look like yeah this is from nine to five mac and it looks like an ipad mini blown up to full full-size iPad proportions and i just it does jacket I think that thing is not a photoshop thing and it looks really cool and I want it if it's photoshop thing like it with this masking tape on it like somebody did a really good job on a photoshop but I don't think it is either like I keep saying this it's a sad time for for the iPad because you've got the bigger iPad which is like a tank and it hurt it's painful to use and then we've got the ipad mini which has this this low res display and it's painful to you I mean it's just had there's you know good choice an ipad right now if you're a detail-oriented person right I am sorry I am a high-resolution man these days I have a Retina Display MacBook Pro an iphone 5 you know every single phone that I have a 720p and as much as I love the design of my ipad mini I do not use it real I hate I hate because I have become spoiled by reddit displays yeah it's it's tough to use it really is yeah that's why I give it's my wife well if he gave the the what color is that the copper-colored iPad to your wife she doesn't even appreciate the bronze only only I can appreciate the bronze like it deserves to be appreciated thanks Anto style Oh shout out outside today's episode of the pocket our weekly is brought to you by Anna style it's not by the way it's not we don't have a sponsor for the podcast let's talk more the show if that's the ipad 5 that'll be pretty cool moving on on the opposite side of the spectrum completely is this budget iPhone that keeps getting fricking rumored and which I cannot be less interested in do you think it's baddest I don't think it's gonna happen it's not right it's not gonna happen I mean justjust it's not gonna happen no I mean the iPhone 5 is gonna be the next budget iPhone has always been so I mean Apple is not gonna dilute their market share they're gonna keep doing what they do all right so this is a common wisdom okay then I completely agree and I right but I spent my that nine hour drive to Toronto listening to podcasts talking about apples earnings and Apple it generated umpteen billions of dollars like it always does and it's sold record numbers of units and it is it by all measures very healthy in exceeding the healthy company an insanely healthy company and unless you are a stock trader in which case we Apple missed its target well in this is dr. Rick the predictions target not very prediction not yet exactly and so this is why I hate talking about finance this is why I just I don't want to get into that at all but this has this is exerting a little bit of pressure on Apple right now I think from a public perception sense at least because you know people even people who don't follow technology like I'm talking to my dad a couple like days ago and I'm like a lot of Technology and dads like oh yeah apple took a big hit huh I'm like oh did they and then it looked and like oh yeah so this is this is going to put a little pressure on Apple on it it actually is it speaks to the fact that the company has lost a little bit of its momentum and so I wonder if any of those pressures will drive it to do something like a budget iPhone at some point what do you guys think I mean it is that'll be a low-margin device so they won't make as much money on it but I wonder if that would be something we're like I wonder what do you think would happen what do you think the market would do if Apple came out and announced like we are in fact making a low budget iPhone here it is like Jesus did lose their not their speed okay listen they've had the opportunity to build budget computers for the past decade and they have been they have not they have you know i remember you know molly molly wood from seeing at once asked you know steve jobs she was like oh god you know the the you know these are these android phones and these and these cheap windows computers are really killing your market share and he was like yeah but we don't chip junk right that that was his response to her we don't ship junk we build products that were proud of and this is what we do and whoever you know whoever's willing we sell high-end that's us you know it's like trying to get BMW to build something cheap it's just not gonna happen there they'll dilute their brand impression into something cheap and apples not gonna do that and that's been the consistent like counter-argument I completely agree it's steve jobs is no longer there I think Tim Cook does have a you know I think the company is still going in the same direction Steve Jobs was leading it which is it but and I'll give you a perfect a sampling ok so the kindle fire comes out for two hundred bucks and the whole market went crazy because a two-hundred-dollar tablet is something they had never seen and did Apple pull out the ipad bitty immediately for the same two hundred bucks no and even when they pulled it out make at the same price no but they arguably and you know I think it is a much better product in the kindle fire but oh yeah but well here's the deal but they didn't go for the same cheap price that the point being is competition is not going to drive Apple to do something cheaper well with it but the ipad mini you could argue is a lower and device than we've come to expect from apple just in the in the screen itself i mean like the screen is yeah and i know they were backed into a corner on that with developer concerns and stuff and whatever but it's not you know it's not a high-end it's not necessarily a very high-end apple device that we've come to expect so yeah and you want the tree somewhere i'm never buying an ipad mini again yes i do i go to coffee shops and you know obviously people are there with their kids and so you've got the father with the big ipad you know doing his thing and you got his kid with an ipad mini and I'm like oh god I look so I look so cheap I love so cheap I've never doing this is like when I walked around town with the with the veer for like two months I had like the dainty phone that I walk into a room where everybody had like the either evos and I'm like hey guys I'm pull out my 2.8 inch fear hi yeah yeah no yeah well it they're doing something right because they the tablet market has grown 75% and Apple is still leading it sold 22.9 million units in the fourth quarter 2012 and I think that's counting all ipads according to this story unless I'm reading it wrong because there's a lot of percentage points and numbers in here and stuff like that and but Samsung though so Apple grew forty-eight percent over the same quarter of the previous year in tablish Evans but Samsung grew two hundred sixty-three percent year-over-year probably because they finally started making tablets people were interested in or Android you think that I still don't see anybody with a galaxy tab either which galaxy and this is why it's confusing to me because they but they've shipped eight million tablets so III don't know I you know I mean we just we're talking in the chat we were trying to do a little time management and uh I meant to reply to Brandon the message with okay but instead i replied 8 minutes which I don't I think it was is a mix between eight million and okay i don't i don't know that's so funny yeah kind of to be there that's yeah Brandon's like i have to go in five minutes I'm like eight minutes like a negotiation here all right i'll do a six point two minutes all right dude give me six and a half give it to you no no no that's my my bottom line sir but upon my dear i'm walking now all right let's talk about this last story and then let's close it out once again we're gonna get back to the reader mail at some point listeners but we did have to talk about blackberry for an hour today because it was important there's 128 gigabyte ipad and that's gonna do it for the pocket out weekly and overkill overkill no i don't think it's overkill like I I run out of space aw I have a 32 gig and I run out of space easily on 64 I'd probably run on if you want a lot of movies and a lot of music you need more space down to Brandon Brandon minimun is that you Oh is you said even possible oh you would always be like why do you want a 64 gig iphone and I'm like I want it that's that was orange I need that was before I started sinking Spotify playlists that are like three four gigabytes but no that's that's nothing if you're doing it 128 the problem with the 128 gigabyte iPad its price it's ridiculous it's like a thousand bucks yeah I'll buy a macbook air for that money yeah it's like who would do it it's crazy it's not it's not on their website yet it's what's pre-order and just as its perf every fish so in four days from now so that is a problem can get out if you want to yeah like price guys I feel like if I was gonna drop a thousand bucks at an apple store or near the house bucks i would get the iphones well no i would probably get the 11-inch macbook air before i got the hundred twenty guys because I it is it is acutely you know I've been seriously considering that you know I've when I saw that 128 gig ipad I was like man I'd rather buy a macbook Karen you know the problem is you know I carry this 15 inch Retina Display MacBook Pro which is a three-thousand-dollar computer and so for me it's like you know I would love to carry the ipad and be my coffee shop machine but I just can't work with it so I would rather buy an 11-inch macbook air and have that be my iPad and then use the galaxy note as my phone and we leave the macbook pro here at home I actually bought the 11-inch MacBook guarantee for personal use and I ended up returning it and getting a 13-inch because line there's something different about like the first of all the touchpad is about twenty to thirty percent smaller the touchpad and because of that it feels different like it's very difficult to do certain gestures because it's not big enough and there were some other little problems that they might have fixed in in the you know it's been a generation or two since that a but it's it's a cute little son of a gun well it is and you know it just realized that this problem that we're always complaining about about large phones being the only high-end ones sort of extends to computers too because it's very like it's not like Apple couldn't afford to make an 11-inch macbook air with this with serious guts and you know capable of running stuff like Final Cut Pro and whatever well the problem is the thermal envelope of these computers yeah really yeah you can't really build a powerful computer yet on a small chassis because you know it'll just heat up so much it'll turn off I didn't know that okay well yeah no that's a good point yeah speaking of heat the blackberry z10 gets very hot that's gonna do it for the pocket I weekly where does it get on the back yeah in the back and would be especially well to be fair I was stressing it i was i was charging it and i was using it for navigation so I mean are you yeah but we'll have more more thoughts on the blackberry z10 in the week ahead but um I think we better wrap it up Brennan you have to go we have business to attend to in a little over an hour i think a little under an hour and I think we should jet can I get some final thoughts from from you hi mate or you Brandon or you both okay whenever they ping you for the AT&T review unit of the z10 thank you very much I appreciate it you know my address no problem I am getting that cute Enda go ahead so so final thoughts I'm I'm oh is on the lookout for the next device or technology thing that's going to improve my life and this blackberry thing has me cautiously interested and I well you know I will absolutely be doing coverage on it myself to offer some different perspectives Jaime sounds like he's going to be jumping in line and we've got Michael's to UM a little bit more negative on it than I am more positive because I can't answer the question why blackberry 10 and that's that's my final thought so that's a good that's a that's a solid final thought and we'll look forward to to revisiting this in the weeks ahead but the one thing is clear we are absolutely going to be covering it in depth so we have yet another platform to add to the tabs on the top of the pocket no homepage is that right oh hi um but until that how was that that was a noise that I make when I'm 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