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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 03 one of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss the brutal and the bodacious in the world of mobile technology I'm your host Michael Fisher and joining me this morning despite is even crazier than normal schedule and a Skype connection that just is determined to be annoying he's managing editor and Tandy naudia good morning sir hey everybody and as well the man with the newly modded iphone 5 editor in chief Brandon minimun good morning to you sorry that was that was the sound sound board in front of me speaking on behalf of me hello that's I was gonna say is that your rendition of our new video intro because it's awesome and oh yeah I feel like I feel like that needs to be like announcement number one of the day because we have new video intro and outro segments and they are rocking I think they're a little overdue our old ones were cool and some people are sad to see him go with our awesome guitar music which it's still on the podcast as of now but I think we're gonna we are gonna change that to the new one as soon as we get lucky I still have the track I can listen to it whenever I I need a shot of good old memories Tony you could you could like sell that track if it wasn't you know if it was if we had actually created it because it wait did you do that custom mix was that your work tell me which one I think the podcast on the podcast is my work when the after the buzz is the hymas work oh that's awesome i love it um yeah hey some news just fresh out the the old wire which I'm AOL has purchased of course AOL owns the web blocks network which includes um joystick and engadget and TechCrunch and mm-hmm tois they've purchased gtgt very interesting whoa really that's interesting SMS just like us exactly actually that's our first announcement series it seems like I was walking to the coffee shop for the second time today because I've already been working for three hours which is unusual for me as i'm a night out today i can testify today yeah you guys get like your of blast of emails from me around like 10 am's like Michaels awake but the thing is today I had to wake up early for something I'll talk about in a second but I was walking to the coffee shop numbers realizing that I feel like I'm in a I feel like we're in a trade show mode right now I feel like we're generating so much content that it feels like I'm at CES or something like that but we're not I mean we still have a more than a way to go before to mwc it's just that we heart we are delivering a ton of stuff right now so if you have not been to the packing.com home page this is not just a commercial is legette like it's the feed is moving so quickly that you should probably go see it and bond stuff yeah and Tony and Brennan you guys are doing an excellent job of I guess it's Tony's department of keeping cool stuff up in the in the top what we call those the church is a featured like tiles up there yeah they're awesome but anyway there's there's a lot going on and it's our first week with both of our new team members Taylor Martin and Adam doubt am i pronouncing that right by the way yes okay cool we had our announcement video go up on Monday the news finally went public I can finally stop keeping these secrets and it's it's awesome I just tweeted this morning something like if you haven't read our pieces by our new guys that's did so awesome I mean I really really like they're both of their tone they're there they're writing style and I think they're really awesome additions to the team already in the first week isn't even over yet so that's awesome news wait for our thought thread before we jump into the news run down because we have a lot to cover as usual I want to talk a little bit I don't know Brandon do you want to talk about about your iPhone first cuz I've been talking for a minute and I want to talk for a minute you want to break up the tonality here a little bit i do cuz i'm already bored of my boy wait what what chicka chicka what what why yeah yeah so I am so I've been using the iphone 5 on and off for the last four or five months most I've been using the optimus G a little bit here the nexus for a little bit there but the iPhone 5 has I've been using it most of the time and yeah I love the hardware and it's got a nice you know design and everything it feels good in the pocket but I hate the software the software so boring it's like so many times I've said damn it why can't you do this or why can't you do that and you know of course android answers that question with of course I can do that just route me and do anything you friggin want to me but the iphone iOS can't do that until you jailbreak so finally the ios jailbreak came out for iOS 6 and it's extremely easy it literally takes 30 minutes you plug it into your computer him but but a boom by the bam which is funny because if you think about the earlier days of jailbreaking you had to put like command line prompt sin and all this stuff and it took a really long time so it's been awesome of these those were the days but do you guys do you guys remember jailbreakme.com yahoo that was literally the easiest possible thing you could ever possibly do it one click you go to a website you slide a slider and you we're gonna leave it didn't last long Oh wasn't that what at Apple take it down I will shut it down pretty quickly although it's funny because people before the they they they patched that people would go to apple stores go to jailbreakme.com and jailbreak on every iPhone on the on the table of the apple store which is funny but anyway jailbreaking this time is different because the iPhone 5 has more ram it's got more CPU power and Scott a bigger battery so the stuff that would normally slow you down an impact battery life still does so but to a much much much lesser effect and best of all I found this app called accelerate and it's free and what it does is it reduces the system animations and it's funny because Android can do this out of the box if you go to developer options but in iOS system animations take like a second or two seconds to do everything opening folders launching an app sliding through settings but with accelerate you can turn that off completely or do a various various magnitudes of animation and it's literally changed the way that I use the iphone it feels like a different phone it feels like I'm overclocked or something and it works on the ipad to what i would like to no on this exact note and sorry for interrupting is whether those animations are there just for the I don't know user experience or the kookiness of iOS or is there something background happening while that animation is happening like I don't know caches buffers and stuff like that and again yeah that's a good point the animations do two things one is it makes the device feel more fluid and and iOS from day one back d level 7 was always the fluid operating system and then you know Windows Phone came out it was like oh this is fluid and then jellybean came out and then Andrew became fluid so it doesn't really stand out as a as a unique feature the second thing that it does is it buys the phone time which is important if you're loading an app that's not in memory and this is becoming less and less relevant but back in the days when the iphone at 256 megs of ram when it first came out you could only get like two or three apps to be cached in memory everything else would have to kind of reload itself because the way that ram works in iOS is that new apps will kick Oh taps out of memory and any phone works that way so it offers is so the the reason that it works it's okay on the iphone 5s because you get a gigabyte of ram so probably the last five or six apps are in mint are are in memory and are cached and so they literally load instantly it's unbelievable umm so so that's that's the first thing that I did and then there's some other stuff that i did--like i got oxy Oh a ux 0 which is task manager done the way that it should be done out of the box so you double tap on the home button and to close an app you swipe down what kind of like and when you double tap in the home button it's like there there big old tiles aren't they like is that what you're just like webos cards yeah they're big old mintages it's just like web us there are many previews but even though they're so small you can actually see like I'm looking at Facebook in the last instant of it it's a facebook i was looking at a weather map and I see a mini tiny weather map it's just it's brilliant I was about to say if you can't read that with your pixelvision that i'm gonna eat my hat I you'd be able to read this tiny it's not you know it's it's it's bigger it's taller but um so awk co is just awesome I mean it hasn't changed that much it just makes things more pretty and then I some things like Zephyrs eep HR which allow you to do some interesting gestures like I could swipe up from the bottom to get multitask I can swipe side to side to switch between apps ah let's see that's a perfect that's exactly what iOS needs yeah it's kind of like in a Chrome for Android or Chrome for iOS where you swipe swipe to go from tap tap right or like or like some of the bigger gestures like on the iPad in general or some of the gestures on blackberry or just just gestures is absolutely the way to go so that's it's cool that there's a actual amount available for that I wish that these guys who are cooking these things up would give them names that are at least pronounce them whole or remain memorable in a way that's not like oh wow that sounds like a rock band from 2003 but not good yes and um no I mean I haven't done that many things another thing i've done is download this app called now now which allows you to relink the tap and hold instead of gets instead of siri you now get the google voice search which is a thousand million million times more accurate and reliable than Cirie man series sucks it it did but it really does suck what her web search or just in general just in general and I mean fifty percent I like it when it works but fifty percent of time I'll say something I'll see it spin spin spin and I'll time out really hmm oh that never that's not the case on my mother's iphone 5 or it didn't happen to me either maybe seriously as I you Celia naively reason oh yeah maybe maybe it's been I a cadet case can I just I just want to say that actually serious and you call me whatever you want I think a Syria is probably the feature that I would use the most often if I had an iOS as a daily driver which is something Tony and I were talking about recently I was like you know I'm getting to the point where i would like to carry an iphone for a little while as my as my daily driver just to remember what it's like and i think i would use Siri a whole lot and I think it's a really good experience for what it is and I think it still blows everything else out of the water so and for you guys in the states at office offers even more than then for me for instance where i cannot find for i cannot search for restaurants or you venues for that matter it's yeah and and you know what their expanded functionality like you can make a restaurant reservation it's cool but it's a little bit of a cop-out for example I used it to make a restaurant reservation the other day and I said this is what I said I said reservation for two restaurant name date right and it very natural thing to do and it comes up with the restaurant with a beautiful restaurant card it says click here to make a reservation I'm like this is awesome so I click there and it says you must have the open table mat open table too happy up yeah yeah so so I download the opentable fi I say the exact same string i press the same button and it opens the opentable app with information pre filled out which i guess is cool but it's kind of cheating isn't it well no I mean what do you mean why because they because it needs a third party app yeah it should do it all within Syria and it does the same thing with buying movie tickets at opens often dango and it just seems too easy like yo you can link Syria with third-party apps right well I think that's good though because I think in the long run it'll expand its its functionality you know and it'll take some of the some of the development load off of Apple which I'm sure you know obviously they have as much as many resources as they want but they have a lot they're probably throwing a lot of energy at just rebuilding iOS at this point from a UI standpoint maybe do Michael becoming an iOS advocate or ahahaha defender oh you know and I was about to shamelessly pimp out something guys if aside from everything that brandon mentioned there's an awesome video by taylor martin 5 no let's see it's five things you should immediately do after jailbreaking so if you're new to jailbreaking you should check that one out yes absolutely right that was I was gonna put that in the iOS 3 i'll just throw it in the thug it'll just read them bit yeah re re pimpin pimpin we get there alright so it's a wrap to wrap things up with the iowa sector they're not the iowa section the yeah yeah the thought right here on the jailbreaking the iphone 5 um if you have an iphone 5 or even a for us or for jailbreaking is better than ever it's still a little crusty around the edges but it's much better and Michael when we get to iOS I want to talk about Mitt L box okay yeah right that app with a long wait that many are you excited about soul still don't understand what that's what I'm looking forward I don't either i'm looking forward to a lesson on that on the on the complete opposite side of the spectrum as far as newly is as far as operating systems go you know instead of this established polished thing that is iOS we have yolo's sailfish which is the if you don't remember is what has become of kind of the remnants of me go and there many many of the people who were at nokia or nakia if you prefer who then left the company after the Windows Phone transition and kind of decided to start their own thing now I had an awesome conversation this morning with Stefano Moscone who is the CIO of yola and who was nice enough to take some questions from from me and I'll be writing a piece on it later today it won't be up at the time the podcast goes live but it'll be up soon after so look for it and it was really really awesome to hear to get to ask these questions because you know I I cooked up the usual round of pre pre call questions with Brandon's help you know it's like well what's about sailfish and its technical stuff and it's like the app question and who is this for and all that but my favorite question I got to ask is like what's it like inside a company that a group of people that was with nokia nokia said we're doing this thing and this group of people was like no we've been working on this meeko thing forever and we really liked it we think it has potential so we're gonna go do this other thing and we've talked about it on the podcast before and it was it was interesting to get some insight on that it was interesting to hear about that it was kind of less of a rebellion and more of a well this group is going to be phased out anyway internally so we might as well go someplace else I just have a question if the answer to this question will be in your editorial then don't answer but if it's the other way around I would like to know what phones will be running selfish or will it be a freely downloadable something which Iran on any of your phones or will they partner up with an OEM or how will this thing happen yes to all that yeah so it looks like they're going to go with a staggered kind of roll out and this isn't you know I don't want to there's no big secret i think you should read the editorial anyway because there's more stuff in here than that but there's like i did ask that and they're gonna do a version that runs on existing hardware they are also going to release their own hardware and then they're going to license it to manufacturers any idea any hints on the existing partner that will be out around it no there was no there was pointedly no talk about that what is your feeling that we'll get and get it on like the Galaxy Nexus and so forth yeah I feel like the Galaxy Nexus is the obvious choice there was Stefano really couldn't couldn't talk about anything specifically but the Galaxy Nexus is kind of that thing that people are using to run their open-source platforms what wasn't um what's it called running on it open not I mean obviously open webOS but uh mobile you want to yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's gonna be interesting to see a selfish we they will be at mwc so Tony you and I should make an effort to stop by the booth and we will try at least we will try but it was it was very cool as I posted on my facebook timeline today any any day that starts with an 8am phone call to Helsinki is a cool one still is really nice to talk to those guys and uh and yeah it'll be posted soon so it's cool I like new platforms we if they're always exciting and whether they are official you know closed source kind of big company new platforms like blackberry 10 or whether they're kind of grassroots small startup projects it's very interesting and I got some answers to some cultural questions I wasn't expecting very surprising responses so it was definitely a great time and once again we thank sailfish for their time on that and with that let's jump into Android shall we because we have been talking about iOS mods and most of them were software but yesterday I found myself consumed with a hardware mod to the galaxy s3 which was a suggestion from Brandon ah antoni I don't know I don't you guys cook this album Brandon cooked it up and I just made sure it happens yes the end the executor we ordered our supplies for this last can they came in and basically what happened I spent I spent a good long while yesterday like knuckle deep in copper tape and sweating over an open galaxy s3 just kind of like cursing in my kitchen this came from a thread on XDA developers that always happen yo I mean you all yeah that's a common Tuesday pillow um this came from a thread round next xda-developers with like the thread titles ridiculous it's it came from a user called Android 9420 one or something like that it sits in the post and it's a wonderful like run down procedure for modifying the galaxy s3 to accept the wireless charging ability of the the palm touchstone and the thing is the title is like super easy five-minute hack for wireless right in your dreams Thanks exactly and like when Tony sent me this for the story oh this will be a great video cool and I kind of put it aside after I ordered all the stuff like it's gonna take a week to come in whatever i'll deal with that five minutes see i got five minutes this thing took me like three hours man and it was a giant giant undertaking and i don't i don't mean that I mean that with the considering my expectations were that it would take a few minutes it's not a five-minute mod unless what if he what if you do it once again if I were to do it again it would take me half the time but at the same time so once i was finished i finished up this mod which I'll talk about a little bit in a second and I put it on the touch tone and it didn't work and for about seriously for about 45 minutes I was just troubleshooting I'm like I'm tracing these circuit pass and I don't have a voltmeter so I can't tell where the problem is so I'm just basically packing more and more copper tape into every connection there it is until I have resistance yeah exactly and I'm adding resistance every day I thought about that adding like the fifth layer of copper tape I'm like you know this is this current isn't even gonna be enough once it actually works but but um anyway in the end I ended up with the ugliest grossest looking hack which you can see in the video but you know what it worked I was so desperate I i will i will admit to this I was so desperate I was I was thinking of posting the video with the failure and he's rocking that her phone as we speak or did you dismantle it I wanted to smell it because it's so ugly the thing is it creates a bulge in the galaxy s3's battery door because the magnets the neodymium or whatever rare earth magnets that I used to keep the galaxy s3 on the touchdown are very thick and what they do is they warp the battery door so you can see in the video it's got quite a bulge I'm going to take it at the modification out because I already have enough things that wirelessly charge and I don't use the s3 as a daily driver so I don't really care but it is a very cool thing if you if you rock the galaxy s3 you don't want to wait for the official charger or you don't want to get the the Qi charger for whatever reason if you just have like 10 touchdown sitting around from what you used to have a pre it's a cool thing to do can you could you use double-sided tape gee I mean can you skip the magnets you some kind of adherence device or tilt it so it's flat oh yeah but I mean then you then you could just use like a regular Qi charging plate or whatever you know the thing with the touchdown is that it props up the device kind of economically and it it looks good and it's you can kind of use it a little better the thing is you don't need to use magnets you can use on the palm pixi back which is required for this mod there are four like ferrous metal discs they're not magnums you just pop those out you put them in place and the attraction to the touchstone is not as strong but it does work that is because the touchstone already has some magnets inside so it's magnets and magnets versus magnets and metal exactly that's exactly right so it was very cool I'm actually part of it the best part of it for me was actually being able to get inside the pixi battery door and look at the actual charging coil element which is so cool I mean it's just the simplest thing ever it's just a very tightly wound copper wire you know over and over again until it forms this little copper donut and you just pop that thing right out with a knife you stick it in the the battery door you taping in I can see why you would title a thread like this a five minute mod but I definitely definitely definitely wasn't wasn't a five-minute mod be curious to know if somebody would use this on the long term would there be any I don't know downsides bye real life would it be affected and I'm not saying juice maybe battery life as in deteriorating your battery over time overall endurance yeah I mean yeah I don't think so you know because it's it's probably not the I'm sorry that I don't have the figures to answer that question specifically but it's it's probably not the current that the battery is used to receiving I'm sure it's lower and it charges tens of charge a little more slowly I think but I don't think that it would really damage the battery the voltage should be the same the amperage should defer Nia yeah what's interesting about the touchstone is that it it prefers a very strict range of either voltage or amperage or water or whatever so you you kind of have to use the palm charging connector with it some USB cables will work but others won't it's a very interesting kind of tight set of specs that that are needed to make wireless charging the induction that palm uses work and it doesn't adhere to any standard because in 2009 when it came out I don't think she was even around don't have to look that up we will have to look that up that might be the king of wireless charging mm-hmm yes yes oh oh mi suppose ya well the nexus for wireless charging orb is finally for sale oh yeah we are going to student has one and we when we has we will show it off it's a little bit more expensive for word on the street is that you can get one for probably twenty dollars less on amazon well you can get that one for much less if you you know just search for Queen wireless charger only got almost at a party for out what you know the official nexus for wireless charging orb is a little more attractive than your average you know third-party charging that loss enthusiast if the brand will always prefer something which is the official thing that's right um it looks like it looks like a nexus q does yeah it looks like a cue that's been like sawed in half the thing oh it's cool no like yeah that's half the size yeah but I want it I want it so bad i think i tweeted this here that i like the charging or makes me want the nexus for so much more i could only put up with a lack of LTE for i'm such a wireless charging nerd and I'm gonna get this for just because it has wireless chargers one of the truck and you know what like here's the thing i have devices that charge wireless i have plenty of them i have the Lumia 920 I've got a DNA sitting right next to me blah blah blah blah blah but they all lack this kind of understanding of ergonomics the Lumia 920 goes on top of the JBL powerup jock and it lays down horizontally so it's like I have to like turn my head one way or the other to see the screen properly when I'm standing in front of the powerup jock on the Nokia wireless charging plate you drop the Lumia 920 on top of it and it's like okay but there's nothing holding it in place so you have to like position it yourself like palm did wireless charging right the first time and it it stayed right when Matias Duarte basically took it to to Google you know because the nexus 4 orb has magnets and it holds the phone in place at an angle so you can see what's it doing and it's beautiful looking so I that's that's why I think I think it's obviously we don't have it in house yet so maybe brandon you'll review the thing and it'll be like this is crap and here's why and I'll be like all right I'm totally wrong but it looks awesome so I don't relating to the Nexus devices we all know that there is a nexus 7 that has ATT hspa+ right sure since i since when is there also a t-mobile version is that is that new or is it been there for well in the google play store no man I don't know I bet fell asleep when you said t-mobile hunter now I'm gonna answer that if I would have access to the google play store in the US but i don't know okay well i think this might be new i haven't seen this before hello t-mobile nexus 7 interesting yeah let us move on let's talk about something that is yeah yeah i am also bored what can we talk about the galaxy s4 real quick yeah cuz rumors look to additional project j quote-unquote devices say say rumors from Sam mobile it looks like what is cool about this is that there's a device codenamed Serrano which is possibly a project J mini which would be hopefully like the galaxy s3 mini except not utter junk right hmm um there could also be there's something called a project J active codenamed Fortius or four sh asst photos really what's it what is that a reference to I didn't look that up it's from Latin it's stronger yes which might be some kind of small media player maybe something like the pebble again maybe not like crap and not the pebble smartwatch the the Samsung Galaxy pebble thing anyway there's a ton of rumors suggesting that this galaxy s4 is going to have a little product family surrounding it and the most exciting thing for me and you guys jump in anytime I think that the galaxy s4 mini would be amazing if it depends if they screwed up like the s3 mini not a melty fact if they if they do that then that'll suck a lot but so I I've been thinking about this this project JN we we've been hearing about project J since months now since I think it was q3 or q4 last year and the thing is we don't know anything about project J so I'm not sure whether I should be excited or not about the project J but I think I solved the entire mystery and this is an exclusive guys only for you samsung will be ditching the galaxy brand and they gonna they're gonna roll with the samsung galaxy brand galaxy galaxy yes I think that would be awesome they're gonna come so that that there you have it project j you heard it here fire first project j project galaxy from samson um it's however it comes out whatever it's named and whatever actually happens with this i think i think it's gonna be cool i'm holding out hope Tony I agree with you that the gs4 will be a true mini it'll be the flagship specs and experience just in a smaller package which is something we've been petitioning yes dominate agents yeah hopefully ya want it people buy it so they should make it exactly that's gonna be one of the 38 phones to be released this year by Samsung yeah all galaxies by the way or jealousies depends or jealousy yeah whatever your whatever floats your boat it's not the only South Korean manufacturer who is announcing or not announcing but who was the rumor mill is treating with alacrity that's a stupid sentence but I'm going to stick with it then the thing is at LG is Taylor Martin wrote an awesome piece about why the optimus g pro from LG this rumored or maybe confirmed device will not be a Galaxy Note killer it's an awesome piece we've we've talked enough about why how Taylor's pieces are awesome but this is really almost every point it makes but importantly because it has been such a busy time I didn't know I'd where I forgot that the optimus g pro was gonna be this massive device what is it got its like a 5.5 at five point five point five point five inches but not just before we run into this I would like to ask you guys both something yeah what does it make a Galaxy Note a galaxy note is it the large screen or is it the stylus it's it is both and neither in my opinion it is it is the large screen paired with these stylus and crucially the software that has the ability to take advantage of the larger screen real estate so in this case it's a logical thing to say that any phone regardless of screen dimension which doesn't have a stylist will not be an ocular and and the software to said you know the window yeah so forth but I feel like you're driving at the at the stylus point right Tony are you good shopping a point but yeah more or less yes because you obviously love the stylus I don't want to use it or at least use it but on my future galaxy note 2 I will take out the stylus and leave it at home because I don't find it useful anymore oh you will find yourself with a with a ring finger that is annoyed because of that empty silo that always hangs and i will just saw it off and stick it in there the stylist the stylist then ok everyone unpacking alive every everyone we come across that has a galaxy note 2 or like oh that's that's cool do you uh do you use the stylist there like of course oh actually no i really don't ever use it and I like having it yeah here's the thing if you use a note too long enough you start pulling for the stylus on other devices and that's when you realize how often you use it because I'll be on this DNA and i'll be on the train and i'll be like okay and it's not because I'm gaining additional functionality from the s-pen usually usually what I'm using it for is to pull it out and to scroll with it because it is more comfortable for me now to keep my hand hmm yeah it's it's it's more comfortable for me to keep my hand further from the screen and just use the stylus to it's difficult to describe but it is physically a very comfortable immersive and more fun experience I think it's it's very natural for your hand to sort of like a pencil wrap around it and kind of grasp it with your fingertips versus sort of using your arm and your forearm to scroll yes is more tiring yes but using a stylus makes you use the device with two hands I mean you got used this yeah and the I don't know maybe it's about me personally but for me the note 2 is just a large galaxy s3 and that's all wait until you get one and do some multitasking and I think you'll your mind will change a little bit okay we'll talk about this next week yeah yeah I always cite the example of driving with Brandon at CES and like having google navigation in one pain while i looked at twitter in the other and you know both of us were happy because the phone was doing two things at once I usually drive ride alone I run though anyway Tony you make a very good point though like this optimus g pro whatever it is will need to bring a lot of heat to compete with the note 22 we let alone be a note to killer and i think any that's true for any phablet contender so we will see and maybe we'll see it at mwc yeah we will surely see it in the mwc good other things from other manufacturers HTC the m7 is so jealous of you guys why because if we're going to the event yeah and because HTC decided to do it a different way this year I don't know why I was so used to meeting new HTC phones at the show floor at mwc and now is gonna be huh there's the m7 from yesterday right from last week from nobody's gonna care yeah well no I mean you will pay well go ahead room HTC HTC needs the m7 to be yellow well let me take that back at last year the 1-series was so important to them The One X this is the phone to fix the company and it didn't and this year it's like that but even more because it's like HTC cried wolf last year they said this is the year where you know we're gonna focus on the 1 series and we're gonna sell tons of them it's gonna be the best phone ever and then it didn't happen and so this year's a little bit more what's the word high stakes for HTC and that's awesome because this the leaks were hearing about the the m7 with the ultrapixel camera and the the form factor and we've seen leaks of very strange-looking devices that seem to be prototype images I think that's gonna be awesome yeah okay I I think this is gonna be awesome too and i agree Brennan I think you make some great points that this is once again make-or-break time for HTC even more so than it was with the one because it could have been the one could have been there they're saving grace if it hadn't been for a variety of factors that we've talked about about 15 million times so it I get very excited when I see not only that they are going to release a new hot device which I haven't seen this render before today by the way this thing that looks like an iphone 5 except it's not um so that that looks really really cool it brings back it harkens back to that first leak we saw of the m7 where I was like oh exciting drilled holes in the top and bottom I like this design language but here we have some sort of chamfered edge it looks like but more so than that it looks like they are going to bring the one brand they're gonna continue with the one brand and maybe this is just yeah you know I think the one brand failed last year because they had the X the S the V and it's like it really wasn't one it was like you meant you couldn't might as well have called it three because there were three particular don't forget about a one x+ though that's for exactly the one expert yeah and the one XL and so yeah you know if this is like if this is the one if this is htcs stab at doing what Samsung did with the galaxy s3 it's like identical physical dimensions the phone looks the same across every carrier then that will be huge for them that NDFs ence is actually the modernization that we hope it is because the current sense is just disastrous you know one gets my antenna extended nope so so the m7 is like the DNA but better in every way that the DNA could be better like number one it's a little bit the DNA is a little bit too big the m7 is gonna be smaller smaller screen 4.7 inches versus five inches too it's going to have the s4 pro but a faster s4 pro so once in a while the DNA gets a little laggy the m7 should have more power under the hood number three the camera on the DNA is met camera on the m7 presumably will be better and number four since five point oh looks frickin awesome and the sense what is that the DNA have sense four point four plus or something like that sense 4 plus which is okay but it still smells of sense 1 2 & 3 which is that hey these Boca elements these elements are a little too shiny this is a little bit too graphic intense let me just you know live with my content and frolic with it for a little bit so so and and and then and then the m7 will have that that amazing screen right and it will be thin presumably endless before you get too far away from sense let me you took the words right out of my mouth my time with the droid DNA this week has reminded me or maybe shown me for the first time just how antic ated some elements of sense are even in their new formulation and since running on the droid DNA Brandon knows this Tony I'm not sure if you remember since running on the DNA is amazing because it is very responsive it's more responsive than any version of sense i've ever tried probably because the hardware is so good yes for pro right yeah right it's running on the s4 pro so as a result responsiveness is nice but then you focus more on how sense looks and every time i try and share like a photo from the DNA and i get though that row of buttons along the bottom of the screen that's like there's no icons it's just like lowercase tall arial font letters there share more I'm like what is this like it's even I'm not saying I I am saying i prefer TouchWiz but I'm I I think TouchWiz is ugly in its own way but it's nowhere near as weird as the news and so I don't know I'm here even liked it it is very metro esque easy yeah it is but it's like Metro like done terribly all right row mixed with with his metro mixed with anti metro yeah it looks like a given me if metro and webos like webos one like got together and we're like they had a really rough night together like it's what they look like the next morning you know what's so interesting this this this movement towards flattening of you eyes like you go back to the iphone the first iphone everything was shiny and classy and textured and reflective and then then we got to like Windows 8 Windows Phone flattened everything android flattened things and it's it's an and I gotta wonder where we go from here because you eyes can be 3d ish glossy or they can be flat can they be in anything else yeah you will look what happened ramik never had three date well look what he did in in in the desktop you know we get das and then we went to Windows three dot one with this you know the scheme or fect things started coming in and then windows 95 came up and we had more 3d elements like the start button was 3d and all this kind of stuff but then what happened is instead of going hyperreal with the next iteration with windows XP microsoft did something weird and they brought these carnival colors and where it's like this deep blue and the bright green and the yeah the red X orange yeah yeah and I actually loved that I remember having my dumb laptop in my first year of college and just underpowered of lube windows 98 or something and watching everybody with their new fresh installs of windows XP and being like that is a i catching you I that looks awesome I want to use that so I you know and then now of course 7 and 8 is totally different so I think I guess the lesson is there's always somewhere new to go with UI design it's just a question of having the the cojones to you know actually do something different you know would be interesting and I doubt we'll ever see this something that hasn't changed in the last you know 10 15 years is color there's just so much color bright color on every button encircle an icon it would be interesting to see an a movement towards monochrome mmm or just you know black and gray mm white that would be interesting everybody likes kid or theme yeah I'm sure you just askin oh there's probably some cool skins out there all right who is somebody was running an old like Mac Mac OS like-for-like skin on their on their smart device it was it was weird I'd like to run like I'd like to run a windows three dot one skin on one of my accounts um while we're talking about phones oh let's let's wrap up Android here because we do have to move on and I love Stevens headline is usually love all Steven Simon's shouldn't $10,000 by a better smartphone than the vertu ti Oh Michael I forgot to tell you when after you guys left CES i went to i forget i think aria casino or something and they had a ver tus store no way i was freaking out cuz my wife was with pam like it's a it's taster boxer like 50 think you understand understand what this is and she was like shut up now let's go and is why would I said I said just let me let me go in for two minutes so I go in and no one's in the store there's a guy sitting behind almost leap he almost asleep and I'm thinking like who is going to buy these phones I'm like search and do any of these phones run and you know a modern smartphone OS like Android he said yeah we've got one coming it's not out yet and and so I'm thinking to myself what so so these phones that are 20,000 50,000 whatever today can you get like a twitter app can you like browse the web or are they just like for extremely rich people that don't even care about Twitter and Facebook um I didn't really get too many answers because I had to leave soon said we have pulled out of the store then I'm surprised there wasn't a concierge there is it you know with like a a a silver tray with some mints and sixers you have questions about the smart phones I like who buys this stuff come I don't know man that's always been the question with virtue right and a nokia let the brand go then they sell it off or something yeah they did yeah so like well good for them I mean I feel like that was it was a way smarter move then like selling their headquarters building Oh selling two of these phones a year it's just like selling two hundred thousand mid-range engines I I would like to know who buys these um who buy let me tell you who buys these the one who has a Bugatti Veyron in his garage the one who walks on the red carpet with bling blings on his or her phone so yeah that's the one who buys the virtue phone okay so that person buys this phone and it significantly slower them like a galaxy s3 don't care because they got a phone and from that phone you can buy your car but you got it I mean that's true too but and the hardware is is beautiful of course and whatever you got these screws on the side and but then they got left it's thick as a Bible yeah i mean its massive but okay but I get that it's beautiful and it looks like maybe it came off an airplane from the 1940s and some kind of early you know the idea of what's futuristic but the minute the software comes on it's like running whatever it's running Android is probably ice cream sandwich or something writer it is ice cream sandwich with a wvga screen right and I'm sure it runs like it doesn't run like butter you know I'm sure it runs kind of pretty good you guys are missing the point that the customer for this film doesn't care about Android jelly bean or ice cream sandwich or black eNOS or the lack of flag I'll be that kind of that kind of customer takes this phone out at night with their friends to impress them and then goes home and turns on his galaxy s3 probably more likely iphone 5 it's like when you take off your Ferrari and you leave you're right and I was suburban at home just to show it off that's her and I guess yeah I see that I understand I used to carry when I had a sidekick back in the day I used to swap my sim into a motorola krzr when I wanted to be fancy out on the hey razor heavener that well what did that phone have you're gonna make me google for but I want to make cookie sounds like keyboard what do you mean what uh wouldwould it at home can you was the crazy the crazy was the the razor that they thinned down into like a much much narrower foreign power wrong and they covered it in glass it was the first class phone I ever run was that a status symbol it was it was it could because I got it before it was released in the states so I'm this like right blue glass flip phone that looked like a racer except it was smaller and people were like what is that that's awesome I'm SMS flip phone so hard um let's let's jump into Windows Phone shall we okay and let me before you start to run down ask you one question I was holding on to this question we were talking about HTC and the one and possible phones and wc dude thank you guys think it is time for HTC to come out at this Barcelona show with the new windows phone ah mr. that they should come out with the tablet no I wouldn't want to sit what like a windows tablet running or a android jelly that android tablet cuz cuz cuz you know that it's been since what the flyer in the gesture I mean it's been like a full year they've got to be working on something to even yeah I don't know I I would not be interested in I mean I would be interested in an HTC tablet but I would not be as interested in that than a windows phone I think they found something really interesting with with their Windows Phone efforts and it wasn't just stealing the brightly colored idea from Nokia like it was it was a thing where they were like oh we have really slim hardware here and we have it feels good in the hand and we've put beats into it we've actually brought some differentiators with Windows Phone we've got that front facing camera so Tony I don't think that will see it because I think it's too early I think they expected the windows phone 8x and it has to be a bigger hit than they were but I would love it if they exactly for these points I think there will be or at least if I was HTC I would have a new windows phone at mwc because the windows phone 8x was launched just like the Lumia 920 and in that exact same period and Lumia lose the Lumia line is expected to have a new at the show so that blow us the fact that Nokia is kicking some serious htcs and windows phone 8 department so HTC really needs to move that bond on the table so I if I was HTC I would have a kick-ass windows phone 8 at this mdc-t I think if they show anything though it'll be it'll be pretty undercooked you know because I don't think that they're ready to show something oh yeah but again the Lumia 920 was launched at the same time as the 8 x and y SE na kiya is hopefully ready with a new windows phone HTC should be ready because they will lose this game yeah I agree that they totally totally should be ready would be a nice one-two punch if if like a couple days before him to MVC they came out with the m7 and they're like hey check out this thing and then a couple days later at mwc they're like oh hey yeah we also did this awesome thing for windows phone too yeah I am yeah that would be cool but the who knows what they're gonna do if they do something awesome I will be very excited and if we get to see this Lumia this nokia lumia eos apparently there was a video that was leaked and then taken down by nokia russia regarding this device it's been taken down it did you guys see it no I haven't seen it but judging from the screenshot which is on our post and most probably on all the other posts around the internet it's a shot of the camera from the 808 PureView yeah so I'm guessing that there might be either a language barrier here and that video might have had something to do with the fact that the PureView 808 will have its first anniversary so I don't know maybe yeah maybe that was like the delete in from the video where it's like here's the PureView which where we did something awesome and then you did go on to talk about how they're gonna do something even more awesome I'm Lucas I'm excited as usual it was really cool to see this headline pop up where I was like a preview video with Louie and peer review and we just have to wait on this right now well yeah we do need a sound board in here um let's move on from that and speaking of tablets and speaking of Nokia apparently nokia where this is from another country this is nokia stan has just had a launch event where it fix your dad featured a photo of what could be a Windows 8 tablet we've been talking about forever but then again it might not be that at all Steven kind of this is from what this is from Nokia gadgets yeah I'm we don't know i'm so tired of nokia tablet rumors and speculations yeah i'm gonna try to keep this with the clean tag but i will make an analogy it's like that super hot woman or man because we're not success that everybody wants to see naked and I don't know you name it what kind of magazine and they just come out on record and say you'll never see me because I don't want you I mean everybody wants an ocular tablet I'm nakia Stevie loves like I don't know maybe we will maybe not yeah Steven ela I feel like well that's a good analogy first of all Tony and and second wife Lee I feel like Stephen Elop is is the new king of saying like yeah maybe like to everything and people like are you sir you know will you develop a will you develop a tablet based on da six point two point two maybe options are on the table well I think at this point because I just ready headline this morning that Nokia is it was selling even more real estate so at this point nokia would make anything running everything if it bounced him somewhere up nokia to transition to commercial fishing all options are on the table um we'll see about what happens with that that's the kind of light on Windows Windows found news but it will take this opportunity to say that we had a Lumia 920 durability report that I cooked up on the heels of Brandon's iphone 5 durability report videos on our channel so go check those out because those are cool they're not full they're like what are they they're like companions to the two after the buds they're like very specific snippets it's it's like a feature focus from the ambos yeah it's cool i like it it was a good idea good idea let's talk briefly about iOS and i know Brendan you've got something else to talk about in here from iOS the Apple there's a cool apple patent that I like I hate whenever I see a story with a patent headline that's like shows a capture from out from a patent illustre and I'm like tuning out this sucks but this is really cool there's a an apple patent for an image quiz lock screen which apparently displays a photo of like one of your friends and then they're like 10 sliders underneath with various choices for names and you have to slide across the correct one to unlock your phone so if you see it's for you I there there are two problems with this first of all it's not new at all I mean whenever your facebook account is hijacked you can recover it and you're the system will show you images of your friends and you have tried after oh that's how that is 12 if I don't want my wife which I don't have to unlock my phone then I would set a password but chances are that my wife and I have friends in common so she might recognize some of my friends and I don't know how what the ratio of hit or miss would be five out of ten 10 out of 10 I don't know but chances are she might unlock my phone and if I don't want that phone to be unlocked I just simply put a strong password on it yeah that's that's true i think my excitement mainly derives from the fact that apple has not come out with a new lock screen kind of idea maybe since the launch of the iphone am I wrong on that me yes you're correct yes you're not wrong but I don't think Apple needs a new lock screen i mean the the lock screen which is the slide to unlock was a huge hit do you guys remember in the windows mobile day that there was an s2 you to application every windows mobile guy i knew was running as to you to slide to unlock it's a good thing that's not 2007 anymore though you know but i can't think of anything else I mean that that's not the problem of iOS I think it is I well for me it's one of its one of the things every time I power on an iOS device and I see that lock screen with a slide to unlock I'm like wow that really impressed me six years ago like in its what's the new your perfect iOS on looks green it wouldn't know something Yeah right if it's real innovation would be with them finding a way to ditch the lock screen for something better like not like mobile you bunt to exactly but something similar but tell me more more conventionally speaking a lock screen for me is most useful when I can use it not just to unlock the phone but to unlock the phone while jumping directly into a feature you can do that you can just slide on the notification it will jump you right into your Twitter and your facebook your email application your SMS application or your phone application if you have a notification waiting like what if i just wanted to my car I really want to tweet right now I can't do that I can't jump right into Twitter from the lock screen or I can't you know I know I can jump into the camera and I can jump into Facebook if I've received a notification but you know on an HTC device I can drag whatever the calendar into the circle to pop right into the calendar I see your point you know what I mean a touch with an advising and tap and hold inside up on anything yeah so that I I like utility and I think apple is a company that is definitely capable of delivering utility while maintaining aesthetic beauty and I would just like to see more innovation from them on this lock screen business but that's why I got excited I was like oh cool that would be something cool but then Tony's like yeah but let me tell you why Wyatt all the reasons that it sucks and like actually Tony you make a good point so let's move on and talk about jailbreaking we're gonna we're actually gonna wrap up iOS on jailbreaking and Brendan you can jump in with your thing but this was surprising to me that the numbers are suggesting that jailbreaking might be more popular than ever which is really surprising to me nuts to me well yeah I will I will ask why you are not why you are not spread it's right because there are millions of iphones morden and then with the last year break okay so yes yes yes raw numbers wise yes so what is this evasion with a zero of course cuz it's heck sores time has been installed on five point 15 million iPhones apparently and 1.35 million iPads I mean that's these are incredible numbers to me and I guess Tony you're right with such a large volume of iOS devices out there these numbers shouldn't be surprising right so I mean just think of it for a second if let's just say a number if two percent of iphone / ipad users jailbroke their devices two years ago that same two percent is relative to a larger number this year so it seems that that two percentage of jailbreak users grows with the user base but I I would think that as I OS includes more features natively more and more features that the need for jailbreaking would would decline so I might expect the number of jailbreakers to remain flat while the overall population of iphone users increases but obviously that's not the case I'd as Brandon as you guys both discussed earlier in the podcast there are a lot of sweet reasons for jailbreaking by even an iOS 6 device once again watch taylor martin's video for that oh and was supposed to pimp that ah double been to double plug um tell us I forgot what you were gonna talk about in this in this red bremen that's gonna gonna talk about dumb mailbox oh right tell me what that is that's on the run down and i don't know what it is yeah let me tell you what it is and let me tell you how i'm using it to make my life potentially more productive so mailbox is an app and it's for iOS right now but it's coming out for android it's gonna come out for desktop and web is gonna come out for tablet android and tablet iOS and right now if you download the app on your iPhone your iPad you'll see a big weight about 700,000 people in front of you as with right now and the reason that they're such a line is because there's some server stuff that happens they have to mail box has to process every message they strip out some of the the more heavy UI elements to make it more readable and then they have this whole engine that will allow you to defer a message to later and I'll explain what that means in a second so the app itself is very lightweight it's very fast it's very pretty I think it's nicer looking i think it's faster than the built-in iOS mail app it's definitely in my opinion faster than the gmail app and here's the magic you wake up in the morning feeling like p diddy got my glasses on the floor about the case just doesn't to say that go ahead sorry you wake up in the you wake up in the morning and you've got a lot of emails in your inbox from all different kinds of people you probably multiple email accounts and the truth is that most people use their inbox as a task list stuff you gotta get done and some people are really good about it they hit what's called inbox zero daily which means all of their messages are archived and they have no messages in their inbox some people keep all of their messages and their inbox anyway so let me give you an example I'm looking at my inbox and I've got this email chain going on about getting Michael a new camera and I know I need to look into that so what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna sort I'm gonna swipe to the left and ask mailbox to remind me of it later today so what that means is that's going to disappear from my inbox right now so I don't see it but literally in three hours from now it will re-enter my inbox oh that's good let me give you another example I've got an email from Tony about the pocket now mobile site redesign and I don't really need to action on it now because it's too early but maybe sometime next week I should take a look at it so I'm going to swipe that to the right and I'm gonna tell mailbox to remind me next week mailbox also has other ways of bringing it back into your inbox there's a button that says some day which is set for three or two or one month from now if it's like a you know something you should get done but it's really not that important you can set it for this weekend if it's something that doesn't need to be done during the week work week and all of these different time periods so that what you have is this inbox that is constantly up to date with what you need to do exactly so so the idea is that you use it as arbitrage so that you kind of determine your task list and then everything happens automatically based on what you determined when you need to action on something so and question I'm sorry designs this confined your device though like or is there like a cloud access ability that you can kind of see it from another device or is it just just on your one installed you know that's a really good question so that email that I just the email about getting you a camera will pop back into my gmail inbox on my desktop it will pop in as a starred message in three hours from now um the downside the downside is though I can't do that from desktop so I can't take that same message and say you know I don't want to see this again for another three hours I can only do that part from the phone right now mm-hmm so let me see if I got this straight this thing you're talking about this basically a flag for follow up with an additional feature that removes it from your phone's inbox because i use flag for follow up all the time i receive an email from you guys i don't need to action on it right now flag for follow up monday 5pm and I just shove it in my inbox archive subfolder that I can manage from my computer from my tablet from my phone what you are saying is a flag for follow up with a cleaner inbox but only on your phone yes but it felt like I said is it translates if you're using gmail com and translating over there and everything stored in the cloud so presumably if you had an ipad app or an android tablet app and you had flagged for its it's kind of like flag for follow-up i guess a flag for follow-up on on your your mac it will send you like a notification or something that says you like this yeah okay ever my tits so it's the same kind of thing except your inbox is the centralized area pops back into your inbox it's like killing a message and then it come back to life mmm yes it's hard to explain like I like that though I mean yeah see I didn't know that fight for follow-up existed so I think for a lot of people like me the mailboxes seems even more revolutionary than it is I think the fact that I kind of clumsily explained it it helps to the it show show that I why don't you show it off in a video brandon i know i'm going to bed good i done that and i still don't completely understand it myself is what i'm trying to say but I see its potential I think but so i think was on it said yeah it's got a lot of buzz so I think actions are louder than words and i'll make a video about it when I truly understand what the heck is good at it so far it's awesome so far it's very intriguing i'll say that you can just just don't be as just talk a little more slowly than i did in spotify for windows 8 because i was so excited that i was unintelligible everybody's michael fisher was knocking on door come we got a new the app that were waiting for forever and here it is let's close up our platform talk with blackberry which we have a category for now and I'm so excited about yes it's not published right now on the site but it should be published by the time the podcast so it goes alive or within an hour of the podcast going live somebody stop me if I'm wrong on that the blackberry z10 review from pocket now is finally done it's ready can you has provide preview sure yet the thing is that i love getting reviews out early it's always nice when you can have the review out while the announcement is still going on that's cool um but that kind of that cannot always happen if you know for whatever for one reason or another but the thing is this I'm very glad that we weren't one of those companies one of the publications that were that released on announcement day and not because there's anything wrong with their reviews but because having the extra two weeks or whatever we had allowed us to really get to know the device I had a device that was probably a lemon for a review unit so I had enough time for blackberry to very conscientiously and quickly respond and get me a new unit so I was awesome of them I was able to get to some in-depth impressions and I was able to kind of scour the comments of every blackberry discussion on the internet for people who wanted to know more and I was able to answer some questions from our own commenters and stuff so it 10 it is very long review it's about the size of the galaxy note 2 review which is around 4,000 words with a couple of embedded videos but I think it's worth it we don't have a separate review out for blackberry 10 the blackberry 10 reviews bundled into the z10 review so if you want to know anything about the blackberry z10 and you want to get your info from pocket now you should read it you should yes which you should you should read it and in comment on it and let me know if you want any other questions answered and brandon is about to get his own blackberry experience very soon so he'll have videos and impressions up and we'll all be able to answer the questions about the new blackberry soon but it is just really cool to say that our first review of a brand new platform is coming is coming today so I just wanted to say that that is awesome and do you guys have any questions before we on the black barrier I'll personally meet it in Barcelona you'll be glad you'll be you'll be kind enough to bring it to me there yes I will I do have a question um it and and I think this has been answered in various forms so this is a different way of asking it um so I you know I I can't wait to try out that be the z10 and use it in my daily life and what makes the z10 of blackberry because the operating system is almost unrecognizable from previous versions what is it about it that makes it blackberry besides the flashing red notification LED it is it's the hub it's the messaging functionality which is not perfect there are there are bugs there are things that need to be tightened up but you go into that blackberry hub where all your messages are aggregated and it is it can be nothing but a blackberry from the iconography to the to the way text is bolded little details like that to broader means of how the messages are handled and how they're displayed I mean it's you look at it and your mind just says blackberry except it doesn't say it in the bad way of like wow this looks like 2007 and looks like i have a pearl like know what if did what if what what if android key lime pie the next version of android had this and you know it's typical unified inbox but it added option to add tweets and facebook comments and all of that other stuff so you have this like mega inbox with that then i smell this lawsuit well you would reach it would reach parody then maybe with blackberry hub but i think nobody cooked me if i'm wrong Michael but yeah I think you have not used the typical blackberry services like BB SBS bbm is that correct baby I haven't had any contacts to test vvm with so those also add up to the blackberry experience if if you work in a company or you have your phone and you want super secure email you just subscribe to a blackberry service and right there you go boom plus if all your buddies are on library you can BBM and forget about facebook Messenger and stuff like that yeah if you're a corporate user absolutely or if you're a user in a country where blackberry is huge like India and all your friends are on BBM and you've and you've become accustomed to the blackberry experience yeah this will seem familiar in that awesome way that's something that it was very old and decrepit has now achieved a refresh without forgetting what it is so you know yeah absolutely I think there's a different ways to answer the question but for an American consumer who basically forgot about blackberry like like guy was I think the real core of the experience is the hub and that's that's the thing that blackberry offers that's very different and in Brandon just to finish that point about the unified inbox of Android were to do it android would have to build in the peak functionality as well because it sounds absurd to say but it is so very different to peek at your inbox by sliding a thumb up from the bottom bezel than it is to slide a finger down from the top it's just accelerating so incredibly different yeah and by yeah I can't wait to see that and I think um I think those listening to this podcast would get a lot out of the stuff we do if you were to read Michaels review because it gives you a lot of background about blackberry 10 and about the z10 and it makes you well informed so that when you know when we're talking about the blackberry 10 in the future on podcast boggin a lot of all of our shows you kind of get it cuz this is gonna be talked about well into the future hey beautifully absolutely I can't wait to review that q10 that's the last thing I'll so I that's my next phone Oh totally Harry that sucker that's gonna be awesome um let's jump into listener mail chance because we cannot neglect it and we have some good ones and this will close out our podcast we have couple pieces here the first is from Brendan Clark high pocket no team I'm due for a new phone soon as my 24 month contract expires soon my question is is it worth making the jump from my iphone to Windows Phone it seems that Windows Phone gets quite a lot of attention from you guys during the podcast being a massive HTC fan I'm looking at the 8x8 s or possibly the Lumia 920 what are your thoughts especially in regards to app support and Windows Phone ecosyst mmm somebody go first okay I can go first it's not a problem it's all about personal preference if you currently have an iphone you most probably are tied in with the ecosystem and I'm not only talking apps and talking books multimedia if you want to switch absolutely go on and switch but the today Adam doubt had a piece on Windows Phone and it was like this this is not the time to upgrade to a windows phone and I strongly advocated in favor of this idea in the comments and I was like this the Lumia 920 is about to get a refresh next week or in 10 days max so why not wait for nine or ten days to see what nakia has up its sleeve instead of just buying something now and locking yourself in with a two-year contract either way you go just make sure you play with a windows phone before first or see if it suits your needs because it's completely 180 degrees different from what I phone is that's a that's a really good point and I think that begs a another mini discussion here when do you guys think is the optimum time to decide on what phoned by next as in what phone as in different platforms or within the platform it doesn't matter just you know you have some dough or your your contracts up and it's time to buy a new phone what do you thinks the best time of year the best time of the year mmm I would I can tell you what a while Michael thinks when it is not a good time to buy it's it's never a good time to buy 11 and a half months before knowing that there's gonna be a new announcement so if we expect the iphone 6 in October it's not a good time to buy the iphone 5 and September August if you're expecting the Lumia eos or something at NBC now it's not a good time and by analogy it is always a good sign to buy a phone after the announcement or at the beginning of its availability because then you can have the phone for as long as you can while not feeling sour that in two or three weeks or one month a new phone is out which is better maybe at the same price or even cheaper definitely it's not worth waiting the six months so the thing can go down in price by 50 bucks like to get it launched so that you get you have the new the newest thing and not just for vanity but sake but just because it'll work the best then because it's getting the most attention from everyone and any bugs that are getting all that attention are going to be fixed very quickly and it seems like we agree on this and it's the logical thing to do and I had some very interesting comments going back and forth in that in that thread and its Oriole I people don't understand why are you writing nokia off come on I'm not I'm having your best interest in mind wait 10 days then decide no I should buy two now go on man knock yourself up I don't know what your me and Jenny I've never seen an irrational comment on a Windows Phone post no it was probably me I'm Idol magnets I'm joking uh you know Brandon do you even it was that a rhetorical question or do you have an answer to what time of year what time of year would you recommend you to buy a new phone well as you guys were talking my answer kind of changed I was going to say it's it's after the trade show season which is probably in the spring after all the announcements happen but OEMs don't want you to be able to predict when to buy a phone because that creates this waiting behavior they want you to buy today yep so what they do is they keep changing things I mean I think for a while now Samsung's gonna do their the galaxy s next event in the spring but if you look at when events have happened like these new york events where HTC announces the 8x and where you know I apple announces new iphone it keeps changing and it's very difficult to predict so if you if you take that variability out i would say that around you know May or June is a good time to decide but then you're missing out on all the fall announcements but then at the fall announcements you know what wait till those are over because you're on the brink of the spring announcements so it's a good time there's no time oh wait I saw we don't buy any phones anymore don't buy you just stop buying phones you know what just listen to listen to what we say we'll help you locate oh I don't know what you mean this conversation has filled me with such a sense of futility that I'm just gonna go tend to cows in a pasture somewhere and never look at me so Brandon thank you for your letter III think just as a closing thought for me you will experience a massive amount of culture shock changing from the iOS to the windows phone user interface if if you find the windows phone user interface to be pleasing to you I think that the jump has never been easier I think there are more apps on windows phone now I don't think I know there are more apps on windows phone now than there have ever been before it is still nowhere near at parody with iOS but if you can find the apps you need I think you'll have a good time I mean it's a solid it's it's it's becoming a mature platform so let's let's move on to William who is written in a little while ago and everyone says everyone's excited about the m7 and s4 and I have no doubts that the m7 is going to come out really soon and I have no doubts that it's going to be a great phone but the new stuff this year isn't that much of a leap from last year specs wise so shouldn't non-geeks or even us consider getting a 1x at half the price in 2013 what is HTC and Samsung gonna offer us and then he goes I mean yeah go ahead i was gonna stay I was gonna start but you go ahead oh ok you want to start yeah I'll start I just want to say that ever William I think I answered this question in the last paragraph I said or a couple paragraphs ago where it's like don't it I think if you're you people can be different kinds of geeks for me I'm the kind of guy who if the option arises for me to either get the new hotness for 300 bucks or you last year's rewarmed thing for a hundred dollars cheaper I'm gonna get the new thing and not because I'm rich and not because I just have money to throw away but because I eat your brew thing exactly I want a future-proof and I have an interest in getting the thing that it's being honed and talked about the most so that's my answer William and I've never been about specs I've always been about experience so I don't care if what the specs are if it delivers a good experience go ahead run it yeah so I I agree to I I'm inclined to get the latest and greatest and it will give me a sense of sadness inside if I get a last generation phone but that's just because I live and breathe the stuff my optimus G though this is I just wanted to point that out let's go ahead well I got it about a month ago anyway so um so the m7 and the galaxy s4 I'm going to talk about the m7 well actually both both are going to have a 1080p screen compared to the last gen of 720p screens and in in our tests we we find that there is a big difference between 1080p and 720p not not huge but there's definitely a difference and it's definitely more pleasing on the eyes the other difference between generation last and generation now is faster processors the s4 pro it's much much better than the Tegra 3 or even the better Tegra 3 that was in the 1x and then the one x+ and then also don't forget that in a short period of time in a few months we are getting android 5.0 I'm pie and if you get a last generation for one year probably gonna be waiting a while for key lime pie unless you're gonna root and install a third party rom if you get the m7 or the galaxy s4 you will be waiting a lot less time and you might even get it out the door um so that's a lot of uh I think that's a lot of good reasons on why the m7 the galaxy s4 are significant leaps over what we got last year great Pretender to you have a thought on that I agree with Brandon on the on the last part that yes if you have in mind to always tend to have the latest from from google in terms of Android than yes go with the the last generation phone whichever is there on the other side look at the galaxy s2 it's it's been like two years since it's been launched at the 2011 mwc and it's still holding on but then again to counter at this point it's just now getting jelly bean so it's you have to decide whether you want a phone which will be grown to be updated as soon as possible or you're good with the previous generation of Android and you don't care that much about OS or specs at that matter yeah that's I think we've got a good spectrum of responses and William hopefully you can do something with that our last piece of listener mail comes thank you for writing in by the way and thanks for waiting I know it took a couple weeks for us to get to that one and our last piece of lesser males from Reuben thank you for the sandwich ah got to see what you did there Reuben says hi guys first of all I love the podcasts on a regular visitor and I've been listening to the podcasts since well even the old ones before the repos thank you awesome and Reuben has some helpful information for from our last episode where we had a podcast listener question about stolen phone data you guys remember that maybe you don't Reuben uses an app called prey which is an open source project with some nice features like GPS tracking take pictures lock the device and remote wipe and you can find that at prey project com p r ey it looks like they're in some kind of beta phase right now and also since and he points out that since android for he thinks android supports full device encryption and there's a link to some some information on that so that's just kind of a rare listener mail piece letting a previous listener look question answering a previous listen here's question your own previous episode and we really really appreciate that ribbon thank you do we still have a couple of minutes um yeah I me I gotta pee but otherwise yeah no man if you if you if you happen to lose your iPhone you go to iCloud you can locate it remotely wipe it bring it and cycle to do these kinds of things on other platforms I mean I remember the windows phone 7 had something similar with your with your live account you can do that what is it with Android that that there's a huge problem that you have to get a dedicated application for this doesn't google support out of the box the service you don't have to pay anything else just go to I don't know your google account you have all your phones listed them from there you can lock it bring it wipe it ok no they did they don't I mean there are ways to do it like you mentioned a third-party way in fact I think that's gonna be one of the tenets of key lime pie is better integration of services you know d it's it's it's kind of haphazard right now you've got all these link Picasso to sink and books inc and all these different but it's it's not a other stream line service and they don't have the remote device management out of the box and so I think I think that's coming and also there are some third-party your third but there are some OEMs who are doing and building it into their skins like Samsung has just started this big push that we've seen commercials for where there there is it safe right there they're doing that enterprise security stuff and like they've got that vague commercial that's like we everything needs to have the same security protocols as the galaxy s3 and the note 2 and it's like what does that mean and then I look it up I'm like oh ok yeah so Samsung is making a big push into providing into filling those gaps that Google has not filled all right but I Brendan I don't know if if we're gonna see that in key lime pie but I hope we do because it would be really cool to have the kind of robust iOS remote device management that Tony talks about so good call that's a that's it for for listener mail thanks everyone for for writing in and before we close out the show we have one final announcement as I understand gentlemen Friday 2pm pocket now live hangout episode 3 I will be joined by the new guys Taylor Martin and Adam doubt this gives them and myself the occasion to introduce them to you our audience and for you to talk to them get to know them better and spend some casual time on a friday so i hope you join us do since uh yes come and join us it's fun and easy and we we like you to be our friend and talk to us ironed out our technical problems so we actually have the ability to do the pocket our live again and that's wonderful also we're going to have those guys on the podcast at some point as usual the guests scheduled on the podcast is we will deal with it next week just as michael are we doing Vince on-site bought guest again from MVC like you guys did at CS and we did it Aoife heck yes winner oh that is true a good point Tony I should have made a note to myself so next week we've got the HTC event on tuesday until the 19 right right so I go down to New York I'm on it it's gon it's Tuesday come back to boss and then a file Wednesday for Barcelona so we will not have the weekly in its normal time slot next week it will be probably what Tony saturday or something we'll try to make it thursday hopefully because I'm looking at the calendar right now and if we don't do it Thursday we that's awesome so the next time we do the packing out weekly Tony and I will be broadcasting from a tiny hotel room and I will be jet-lagged and it's gonna be so much fun it's gonna be great I'm gonna bring a lot of 5-hour energy they're gonna break out the good old American moonshine next I'm not gonna bring you some energy drinks myself and and before that both Michael and I will be at the event so yo yo New York TT double-team the crap out of that event right you know hopefully come away excited exactly yeah hopefully hopefully I'll have well we'll have a lot to say on whatever gets unveiled that day in New York City so I think that's gonna do it it's gonna wrap it up I've got to go get a whole bunch of stuff down there's a whole lot of stuff on the site for you listeners to go read and gentlemen I know that you have work of your own to do so let's wrap it up for this edition of the weekly find us on Twitter Brandon is at Brandon minimun Anton is at an Tandy Naja a nton DNA gy and as always you can find me at captain two phones you can follow pocket now officially had pocket out tweets on Twitter on pocket now and Facebook and Google+ and leave us a review please on itunes or xbox music if you like the podcast if you don't like the podcast please don't leave us a review and if you have a topic question or suggestion for the podcast or you just want to say hi you can tell we read your e-mails and we do our best to answer your questions do it podcast at pocketnow.com thanks everyone for listening as always we'll see you next week okay cross your fingers and don't say stupid stuff like wow this sounds great because obviously that's the kiss of death um I go I can't hear you can we can we do a call back like I sound like a robot okay sure yeah yeah Michael what yeah yeah yeah yeah okay you