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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly live from Barcelona it's a very special episode of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we put the mobile in Mobile World Congress I don't know what that means but on your host Michael Fisher and I'm sitting in our field offices a very cozy hotel room here in Barcelona with managing editor Anton de Naude you hey everybody hey Michael good to be back together again nice to be back together again in the same time zone for the first time in a long time and let us not forget we are joined long distance by the tinny voice from the other side of the room not because of Brandon but because of the Internet Brandon minimun good afternoon to you what up son we're on the ground in Barcelona that's what's going on and we have a lot we have a lot to talk about but we so much yeah but the thing is we landed what we are three days away or two days away from actually reporting on anything so we're here to set up and already tired already completely exhausted and we look like utter crap I think both of us say the least yeah we have massive I mean yeah I think you look better than idea but we have some huge bags under RS which you've seen on our Twitter feed a fuel red eyes are not because of the flesh right now uh but we my god has just been outrageous but we need all the time to set up in advance of the show because it is such a big show and we also need to cover a lot that's happened since the last podcast that has nothing to do with him WC like Brandon help out my memory here we're talking blackberry z10 we're talking teaching some kind of HTC to ask that dropped i think as i recall we're talking that we're talking you bunt we just landed for the nexus 4 7 10 and Galaxy Nexus nice oh that's right it's a complete Nexus family you want a happy family yes it first we're talking about pre MVC and we are talking about what to expect here in Barcelona yes it absolutely and we know about the echo in the room and we're sorry makes us feel that there were more exactly or more alive we are alive than we've ever been before it's raw we just before we jump into everything though we we needed the reason we need a couple days in advance of a show to set up if you've never covered a tech show before which a lot of you haven't and which until this past year I hadn't is because everything takes longer when you are setting up for a show so Tony Brandon you haven't heard this so Tony takes me to across town across Barcelona to get our SIM card there are sim cards for our mobile devices you know because we reach in an unfamiliar country and we need mobile access lists local and he's like how I've got this great carrier from Romania yes uh and they've recently set up shop in Barcelona yes that is also true and we go across town to get our SIM cards from this dealer that has got on his on google maps and we walk around the corner and there's this Romanian store with like the Romanian fly only Romanian products yeah yeah and Tony take we walk in the store around the corner i'm expecting to see like a wall full of phones may be some memory cards and i walk in and there's just like this endless case of um like sausage sausage in mombasa and steaks and like chocolates and but everything traditional yeah yeah and Tony's looking at this I'm like I'm kind of like where the hell are we and Tony's like cam and this is these are good brands so but somewhere behind the counter this kid has a couple sim cards that he unpacks and I think it took what about it only took about three and a half hours or so it again because he wasn't lazy yeah right it wasn't because of the carrier and this carrier has actually been really good we've got some really good rates with them but yeah we're not going to name the carrier because so far we think we are smart I mean people in Barcelona de Barcelona population is more with 1 million people when it's mwc and everybody's jumping to vodafone and orange and nobody knows about the small carriers which which don't have caps and internet don't have clogged pipes so we're happy to be on a small carrier with superfast speeds yeah boom it's in it's awesome I mean in any connectivity after after my what for our morning without kind of giving would have been great but this is really good and this is also my first got that could 4G so oh yeah I'm cheer well let's not though it's not LTE but its 4G it sorry it's my back so everyone tony has is using his note 2 right now and his note 2 came from ATT replete with that stupid firmware that calls HSPA 4G ah so anyway yeah he's like it just is this a poaching what do you say you let me view I'm saying it's not right are you doing Tony's doing Brandon Tony's doing your lives be just wait on the air searching for the application and I'm installing the speed test application at the second level f of course Michael here who can testify that it's over data and not Wi-Fi yes it is indeed over sailboat unquote for genes doling successfully installed and speed test tells you the network type to which I like a lot let's see but uh well while that installs we should say that Tony and I are so tired and you're about to see so many videos York here comes the speed test good that we actually waited in line at a McDonald's to 2p earlier that's a bad ping oh yeah that's a bad connection yeah you ever just fire up speed test and all of a sudden you're getting pings of like I think what's going on anyways it's it's a good speed yeah anyways is a good speed and we waited in line for like 20 minutes for a bathroom today that that had 33 toilets and we thought it had one so we're very tired but the point is we need to talk I think a little bit about these giant giant releases from HTC and blackberry and brandon has had a chance to play with the blackberry z10 finally because some mail carrier lost the blackberry when i sent it to him can't trust anyone can't trust anyone there's branded you want to start with the blackberry because i would love to hear your thoughts on the z10 after after i'd spend some time with it you know after using you bun to blackberry tens not so bad because okay well the thing is that i will talk about you but to later um yeah so i've been using the ziti and blackberry 10 for like for like two days I'm trying to think of a metaphor it's kind of like it's kind of like taking a picture in the dark or it's kind of like being in the desert or it's kind of like trying to drive your car with your hands handcuffed behind your back right slowly driving with your chin then or your teeth yeah yeah so first of all I mean the app problem is a huge problem and I'm trying to think and I had to review your review Michael to understand you know your your thoughts about it i'm trying to think about i'm trying to think about like why this is good okay and I'm really and I need your help because I'm not really coming up with anything um the messaging experience okay that's yeah i'm calling it oh that was gonna be my first counterpoint like the messaging experience is very very good on the blackberry i think do you disagree the hub what do you what do you mean but like like how is it better than your note to the note 2 does aggregate all of my inbound messages and like any android phone it throws them all in the notification shade which i can glance at with it with a top scroll blackberry bundles it all into a unified inbox rather than a unified notification area so the notification area you tap on a notification it takes you to a specific inbox with blackberry it's all already there in the devices primer and this is also email facebook private messages and BBM everything everything that could possibly generate a notification so for me that's very clean i like that and it harkens back to one of the things that blackberry has always done well so that's that's where did lies for me didn't ya yeah and that's reasonably cool there's a lot of like little touches like for example if you're in the blackberry hub and you pulled down slightly you'll see your calendar for a second mm-hmm you notice that yes and I didn't I didn't think that did not mention that in the review that's one of the things that slips through the cracks um okay interestingly it's one of the things I didn't really like I found the calendar experience to be somewhat somewhat lacking but if you liked it I'm glad I don't want to crap all over something that you actually liked about it I didn't I didn't say I liked it I think there's a lot of little touches like for example of you if you can pose an email it'll try to like suggest who you want to send it to kind of like Gmail mm-hmm um so that's kind of cool the hub the hub for me is a little too much because and I haven't had enough time to play with it to know if you can change this but for example I put him I did what you said Michael I put in all my email accounts i put my Twitter my facebook and now I've got like this vomit just like everything and and and and on Twitter you know I mad replied several times per day and I don't want to see all of them in my inbox thingy like i wanna i want to see them only the day so I'm just trying to figure if there's a way to limit the number of times that the Twitter shows up in the hub for example well I'm like a fifth wheel here because I'm between you guys I'm the only one who hasn't touched blackberry z10 orb language and for that matter but from what I've seen from the demos also the big functionality is something that I would definitely appreciate mmhmm yeah the peak is another cool thing so if you're in any app and I really appreciate this apps are full screen but if you want to see what the time is you dragged up slightly from the bottom but not only do you see the time you see network status you see how many missed messages you have well then there you yeah and what type there and then there's that awkward slide to the right which is not sensitive enough like you gotta really like pop your finger over to get the the hub to open up yeah you got to really mean it I mean I feel like that's one of those things that you learn after after a little bit but yeah initially its kind of kind of springy thank you and then like you know you can make folders like you can an Android or iOS but the folders are like these full screen like panels you know what like the folders and the app launcher yeah yeah i don't think i've ever made of folders i don't think i don't i was able to download enough compelling apps to justify a folder what i've done is i've added internet shortcuts to my home screen oh ok ok which is which is not immediately obviously you can do that and you get these nice little fav icon they look like little app shortcuts and so I dragged them into a folder and called it web and which leads me the next thing I don't like these background the the icon backgrounds like this gradient it's like what is yeah so behind every every icon there's like a there's like a gray kind of translucent panel that makes the a bike that serves to effectively make the app icon enlargers that we were talking about Brennan yeah yeah yeah I think maybe that's an attempt to to bridge the visual unity of like you know the the home screen active frames with the app titles I'm not sure I'm not crazy about it i will give you this I don't think and maybe I don't know if you agree to me I don't think it's the prettiest OS that has ever existed well it's interesting well here in Barcelona we had the first specific Spanish lunch today at a McDonald's and we were talking about and we were talking about the blackberry and I thought that the orb I believe that we need to cut some slack to blackberry because it's a new platform it's it's it's like Windows Phone was back in the day and Michael had a great point it's better than when those one was in its first day so what I'd like to propose is what if we play devil's advocate Brenda you tell us the three top things that you hate and I will try to defend blackbery against your hatred that's a good critic good nice yeah okay sure number one there are no apps that are good how long's up for facebook and twitter how many applications were there for windows phone and they won more than there are here what are you missing specifically what am i I'm missing Spotify that was away for windows phone 7 how are you son of a bitch ah their netflix is there that seriously I'm not just saying this to to be right here but Microsoft put a bigger and at the time it was easier for developers because there wasn't three platforms that they've already done there were just two there's iOS there was android and so adding a third wasn't that big of a deal but now it's you know developers are getting getting a exactly what's the word oh we're getting saturated they're getting kind of yeah inundated and also developers have a tough choice to make because right now windows phone is still under five percent depending on who you believe it's two points something percent 3 point something percent and blackberry still has two points so they're kind of tie so if I was a developer I would carefully choose my team on which side I was mm-hmm okay so let's continue this game Tony yes um the next thing is that like okay the hardware um the z10 is obviously this purpose drip purpose-built device it's like it's extremely nondescript and if but it and yet it feels good in the hand it's solid it's steady but it's ugly as s in it looks like a phone that a three-year-old could have prototyped in his or her garage um they could have gone they could have put some chrome accents on this so it looks good when it's sitting out on the bar but for some reason they didn't this phone is ugly as sin well Tony well Tony go ahead and then I have something no I was about to say that this is is all subjective and and and it comes down to personal preference but i think that the blackberry z10 resembles a lot with the iphone 5 and with the newly released HTC One so the rounded corners the square that the elongated shape it I can't defend blackberry against this you don't like it I like it so this is a tie and I will say that if they had thrown some chrome rails on there it would have started looking an awful lot like that awful storm that everyone always wants to forget the blackberry storm so I think that there were wise to go minimalistic on it Brent and I I do I see where you're coming from it's not the prettiest device I've ever seen but I think it has enough guns that it's not the ugliest it's not the ugliest either and it stands out from what blackberry used to be doing so I think that's a that's that's worth noting and I think that's one of many things that is like Tony said worth giving blackberry kind of a break for considering this is there this is their first outing in years that is significant we give you have a third hatred point as I as I um I was I I might have said the battery that's not good but it's been actually pretty good for me because I'm trying to avoid it and not you actually know the bottom line is for for our audience to understand we are not haters and we're not definitely fanboy so we're trying to dissect everything so that you guys know exactly what you're getting for your money what what Brandon is trying to find the flaws and bring those out to you Michael is trying to be on the middle road pointing out both of them and I'm always trying to see the good things the good parts and this makes a good mixture in a team so I think that blackberry is at a good start it doesn't matter what blackberry 10 is now what I think matters what library 10 will be six months from now will they fix all the flaws will they fix the bugs will they have more applications right now everybody understands that this is a new release a reboot if you will it all depends on on what path they are currently on and whether they go left or right yeah that's that's fair and I'm I'm kind of being a jerk I mean they've done a pretty good job considering that they're starting from effectively zero and redoing everything in it you know it's a cohesive operating system you know when you compare it head-to-head with Android iOS and Windows Phone it's becomes very undesirable at that point I have to ask you to sing question I asked Michael if you were to choose between windows phone seven or 7.5 or 7.8 so note no windows 8 here though that those or blackberry 10 um why not eight though wisin because i know you choose eight over again oh i would definitely go with 7.87 point ok let's drop 7.8 7.5 or or blackberry 10 and comparing these because these are both the initial iterations of a platform and its infancy 7.5 why now this is a good good question why 7.5 and why not blackberry z10 7 7.5 today or like when it came out well regardless is the same today because it has apps it's got all the apps on one right the app title is significant yeah I feel like that's probably the heart of your issue right Brandon I mean like it's it the apps is the most the biggest burning point of contention for you right it's it's that but also it doesn't the operating system doesn't really work the way that I do like I kind of like some glanceable information here and there and and z the ctm blackberry 10 is this home screen interface where there's sort of this live tile idea but it doesn't really work out very well because these the tiles keep moving around so you're not getting used to 0 weather is an ampere right and a new calendars in the upper left it's just it's just and we definitely yeah i agree i called that out and my three things black break and learn from windows phones piece on the you're absolutely right the tiled moving around kind of needs to stop or they have to be at least rearranged well but i think just to hop back to the apt question for one second i'ma does the last thing I'm going to say about it I think the question becomes if you have if you don't like blackberries app selection now what you shouldn't it's very sparse despite the 70,000 apps then claim and the you know the question becomes do you trust them to get apps down the road like do you think that this platform is going to grow and I think that's the question that's that's really hard is to answer at this point when you look at blackberry where it is and compare it to where say window is for say mr. yeah yeah if they don't know there's a big dip there's a big difference because with with Windows Phone you had multiple devices from multiple companies on multiple carriers and with the blackberry z10 you only have one to two ordinance into devices from one company it'll be on multiple carriers so well know that yeah developer okay well the the the saturation of hardware didn't help windows phone at all you had all these come from devices coming from different manufacturers you had a hold the market was flooded windows phone devices and still everyone kind of like looked at it and was like okay and kept on writing apps for iOS and Android and just to say here I think blackberry does plan to have something like six of these devices out within a year or something like that I don't know what they're what they're doing but they have they're talking a big game on the tube to wrap it up I have two questions for you Brenda first one is a few or a developer right now what would you choose windows phone or blackberry windows phone okay and the second question tell me if blackberry would follow your advice give me three things blackberry needs to do to win you over okay number one is probably app selection app selection number two is take better advantage of this place you keep going every time you're in a nap the next thing you're going to do is swipe up and go to your home screen usually they could make much better use of that space that's number two mmm yeah use the home screen more intelligently yeah and number three number three would i'd say i don't know pretty up the UI and and and go forward instead of backwards i mean gradients are not in and and these textures are not in what sin is digitally authentic flat UI and i'd like to see ya and and a flat UI to me means efficiency and if this device is supposed to help you get some stuff done it should take away some of the clutter and go to a less cluttered interface I i would agree and i would actually take it a step further and say and i'm sorry i can't source this article right now but i was reading an article from another site that made the contention that blackberry did an awesome job at standing out with its new hardware but it needs a true visionary on the software side the platform blackberry 10 can't just survive on the merits of oh it's new and it's unlike everything anything we've seen from blackberry it has to say something and right now it says to me look I'm the middle ground between Android and iOS on one side and Windows Phone on the other I'm half them to the right yeah and it but I I also blend elements of all and it kind of doesn't have a cohesive message in its in its in its aesthetics so yeah we always weasel we always talk about that that it comes down to why blackberry 10 you know you gotta someone in the phone store and they're looking at all these photos why would they get the z10 when they can get the galaxy s3 or the you know the 8x or the iphone font you know there's there's no answer to that and it's and I think the answer is I tried to answer it and at the end of my review where I was like yeah if you're coming from iOS or Android you're not gonna want this device if you're coming on the dumb phone are you coming from if you're coming from an old blackberry you are and by the way anecdotally haven't II million blackberry subscribers today right and and this would just anecdotally speaking this was proven on my facebook wall where I was like here's my blackberry review and I think anybody would respond and then like four of my facebook friend like thanks I've had this old curve for forever I'm like you people still reuse blackberries I'm sorry so I underestimated how many people I knew that still carried the old blackberries and that still feel a real passion for this brand is that going to be enough to carry them to keep them alive I really don't know the best girls on dating so the investors really don't think so so so there's no conclusion to this debate so we had bros we got Kong we had tried to defend and the hate and the size but it was good to hear brandon's it liked us definitely constructed we've been talking about it for what three weeks without Brendan haven't had I hadn't gotten on it yeah and I kind of knew you were not gonna like it Brennan although I will say this i will call you out on this in a very positive way brandon sent us a two-paragraph email earlier in the day that was actually pretty long and the last sentence of this email was dang this blackberry keyboard is pretty pretty damn good you seem to like the keyboard all right yeah you know it's probably above average but not you know amazing believe me that coming from Brandon isn't that good well let's uh let's move let's move on talk about a device that maybe we'll get everybody's blood flown a little bit hotter we were in New York City to see the unveiling of HTC's newest product this long-awaited thing device that one more time we're sitting there waiting on an HTC event saying God do you think this is the one do you think the one that's gonna bring them know they learn yeah an antenna and Brandon and I were in line and communicating with the guys hopefully listeners you were hanging out with the rest of the team as they watched the event and and you guys all traded opinions back and forth you guys seem to be having fun in the Hangout me with it yeah and well HTC unveiled the new one would formerly known as the NM 7 uh we didn't actually really talk about this and I want to get to Brandon and second cos he was sitting right next to me but Tony what were here I didn't watch the Hangout I haven't had time i flew to Barcelona the next day what were your first impressions when they unveiled is the M set to quote you on an idea which you had initially this entire idea is yours if the blackberry z10 and the iphone 5 would have a baby that baby's name would be the HTC one with a chamfered edges and the elongated design and many people in the calm and said that they'll k I mean every phone with rounded edges looks like the iPhone I know it's not true i mean the HTC One really resembles the iphone 5 the the first thing which shocked me was the selection of eppley a of the buttons on the front I mean it's only two buttons but if you come to think of it it makes sense I mean you no longer need a search button because you have google now and of course with multiple actions on one button you can access multitasking and also the normal behavior of the button itself then on the bright side aside from the fact that I definitely like yes double like the design I think that the camera is a huge huge ? until we managed to get that camera compared to other cameras in real life we can only speculate well of course the HTC has been fond of quoting some reviewers that megapixels don't count he has believe me they do count and they always count and i bet you guys read Brandon's editorial the megapixels count and i have a different approach as you all might know i'm rocking a 808 PureView and a 41 megapixel camera really rocks Michael can the birthday yeah so I was I was standing in this very small hotel room but I was still about what nine feet away from you and Tony took a shot of me you know showing my my entire body basically from annie's up and that was the extent of the frame and he just gives me the PureView he's like go ahead and zoom in on that and I just you know zoomed in and then I zoomed in some more and I zoomed in some more until I was looking at the pores in my cheek and like where I had missed shaving my my roguish man beard and I was like mine god this thing is incredible so it is it is that isn't incredible my bottom line is I'm an HTC fan I always give credit to the Taiwanese company but what I think they're doing with megapixels don't count is just a cheap marketing pole either they didn't have the technology or the they didn't weren't willing to do a great camera but the way I see it 4 megapixels is not you know fair enough all right all right all right so let me I want Brandon to finish this line of argument because he wrote an editorial on and I want to hear his take but I want to jump in here right in the middle and be a jerkwad spoiler because I understand what HTC was trying to say and what HTC was trying to say was actually very refreshing it was like we've had the stupid pissing match in specs of manufacturers saying okay five megapixel okay now eight okay now 13 okay now 16 right and and like HTC was guilty of it did on the latest round iteration of the Titan to they had a 16 megapixel camera on a lens size there was no bigger than any other county it was dumb it was stupid right and so they said let's focus on the size of the pixels and not the easy you know what I agree with you I just have one single tiny little problem HTC's marketing campaign or marketing bush or their buzzwords doesn't refer to other 58 or 13 megapixel cameras it refers to the 808 PureView okay and it fine just leave that alone you're you're far behind it yeah it well that's true but you know they're using a similar approach with much deflated numbers and you know that's fine I just think that it's nice for a company to come out and say finally stop it this is stupid the megapixel race does not ultimately matter unless you can do it right yes no I found it yeah there's no idea found another way to do it right right and we'll have to see if HTC ultimately ends up doing it right but Brandon as you mentioned as a whole editorial on this and Brandon obviously you are in the same boat as Tony why do megapixels matter so hard I mean if you look at like the Nexus 10 which has a 4 megapixel screen if you take a picture at the HD so guys that's four what's that or the ipad 3 and 4 or the ipad 3 and ipad 4 or any high resolution display and then becoming more and more common like yeah did you guys see the new Chromebook pixel that was announced like an hour ago no no no it was that it's a fairly high end it's a google apparently wolf Google's first your laptop it's 1,200 bucks but it's got higher resolution and even though hundred so it's right over laptop it's not just a netbook right no it's grunts chromium OS Chrome OS what does a hard drive or does it boot it from the cloud it gives you a terabyte of google drive space but it has 256 built-in we didn't get that wasn't this wasn't here right this isn't in Barcelona this is like they announced this from ya from California right yeah and the LTE models fourteen or fifteen hundred bucks the thing about it is that the screen is a higher resolution than the retina MacBook Pro so it's it's pretty cray whoa how big is the screen 13 inches I don't know whoa once I saw the price I just stop looking yeah I believe how do you heard it here first folks or last so go ahead run so one of my favorite things to do ever in this world is to take pictures on my iPhone and they show up on photostream on my iPad and I look at the picture on the iPad and because the end this is an 8 megapixel shot right so it's pretty high resolution and the problem with looking at the photo on the ipad 3 or 4 tape with a megapixel camera is that you can't zoom in that much beyond that because you quickly get to the maximum amount of detail yeah but I have asked where's before you Brendan you can use the iPad Mini at any time you use a committee or an iPad 2 or an iPad 1 and then you can zoom in a lot more and it's a lot more satisfying um but if you if you go to 4 megapixels it's almost like it's not almost like it is that you cannot zoom in anymore because there's no more image data and so I mean that maybe that's not that big of a deal because you're just looking at stuff but like if you're taking a group picture and you're used to like zooming in on people's faces and it stays clear because there's data there yeah with a 4 megapixel camera there's there's no data it's not enough losses ok so my question is do i do enough people do this outside of our circle do you besides tony and brandon and michael who like doing things like zooming in on their phones because you know it's fun and to see how good the images are is fun to be nerdy do normal people do this are there enough normal people that do this that it's going to seriously affect them when they buy the HTC One and they do are they going to bring it back to the store and say listen I can't zoom in on my pictures enough we'll alert I don't think so I don't they're not return it all right back the horse up they're not they're not they're not going to return the phone because of that but they're gonna think it's less satisfying and I think about my wife and my parents who use these phones and much about them and when they take a picture I almost all the time I see their fingers into the pinch to zoom they're zooming and they want to see some stuff you know mm-hmm so I see you think it's going to diminish the experience overall I and I agree mm-hmm look what could make it the difference though is that if HTC does this right I mean we've seen a couple of either leaked or promotional pictures and videos which were looking good so the only way they can pull this up say okay hey we have small images it's 4 megapixels but look at how crisp and sharp and colorful they are so this might be something HTC thought of yes so let me ask can we ask another question is that Tony when you use your PureView 808 in in pixel doubling mode and you're generating 5 megapixel images you send those to a high resolution screen like the Nexus Tanner like the the retina iPad like do you run into this problem now can't zoom very much no no no because it don't zoom so I don't I don't serve it no resuming is a thoroughly Western cut let me tell you that if you are shooting with an 808 PureView and you zoom in within the phone then you can use the difference from 5 megapixels to 41 megapixels to have data so it zooms without losing the quality of the image so you no longer have to zoom on your tablet or phone or the Creator because your user picture already zoomed in you're doing it already like you're building the right the picture right to begin with hear what you're saying composition right alright so so then so crap that's a good example example but on the iphone yeah i used to zoom but i don't know of any people in my circle who you used to zoom in on pictures no all right it's so taking if we if we have the zoom issue and we kind of all know where we stand on that i think what we need to see and we will as we get review units and as they get out there and we see some photo and we do some photo comparisons is how well the HTC one performs versus its predecessors and i think it's going to blow them away because the 1x if it's no one in the 1x yes rightfully it's a very low bar to set right and we actually went out of our way Brannon and I on the show floor as we were leaving we sought out one of the HTC folks who is very kind to answer our questions very quickly and as best he could and he definitely confirmed for us that the optics are not the same when I like that guy exactly we were at the droid DNA event and I asked the same question of an HTC person I was like so is it the same camera module is in the 1x and he was like yes but but the software is going to do something different and then we saw the results on the DNA and they weren't terrible but they really weren't a market improvement over the one on eight I'm a completely unrelated but still positive note I am more excited about HDR video I mean there was this emotional video that is interested in shut with the HTC one of a HDR video I know the Xperia Z also have HDR video and with these days cpus we can have real-time HDR video and that's something which is super exciting for me because videos when we review devices and have camera samples we always look at the sky and then look at the bushes and they look at something else we want to force the phone to change its exposure and white balance and every every setting with HDR it is done in real time you no longer have to do that the processor and the coding does it automatically so that's probably one of the most exciting things yeah in my book I agree it's going to be incredible and but you know we saw this last year with the 1x which HTC rolled out and you know we'd say what you will about the lens but that software had some really groundbreaking features that was the first time we saw taking snapshots during video and real-time yes full yeah and real-time effects exactly right and and the unified view finder concept where you had the shutter release for the camera and the video button right alongside so HD did a lot on the software front in my opinion a lot of which could overcome its deficiencies on the physical side but none of that mattered when Samsung rolled out the gate with the galaxy s3 with a better yes it was a better camera but and yes it had more features so it was better in almost every sense but HTC's camera wasn't all bad as my point and they've brought a lot of these new features in but I think I'm just going to come out to gave the galaxy s4 with a whole lot more he'll like a 13 megapixel camera and with a tagline like 13 megapixels much higher than 4 megapixels just to just to be jerks too that I mean yeah so in enon in it haha I'm trying I'm trying to frame this i I'm I'm I I'm inclined to read the email that I sent around I sent this email around to the pocket out guys at after I had some time to digest the one event because I I came away feeling kind of weird as I was excited but there were some butts mom and I'm excited because I think this phone is what HTC needed to do it's a really great piece of machinery attached too many carriers attached to a really cool marketing message which is everything your phone isn't yeah and that's a that's a good rest of that if he's awesome until the galaxy s4 comes out and then you know um but but there's just this mmm something is not right something's not right should I read parts of the senile or do you think that would i would like to try yeah please do yeah okay okay and and and this was kind of an emotional thing because like I you know I really want HTC to succeed a night as an enthusiast of this space I think that some their brother it's accordingly as editorial opinion piece and not unbiased review yeah yes yes this is an opinion piece this does not represent the views of Elsa and I'm not very the whole thing so I said the one is unimaginative it exemplifies the exact opposite of how HTC describes the phone which is as innovative the phone is a cop-out let's start with the design it's based on the iphone 5 there's no innovation with the design it's cool that they were able to avoid using plastic or glass so they could use all metal but whoever said that an all-metal phone is a good thing holding the droid DNA I am reminded how important in hand feel is versus in hand beauty the DNA is sturdy the one is cold and not grippy okay can we can we talk about the hardware then yes sir yeah let's just believe up in segments yeah so so I'm going to say that I and this is why I absolutely love being on the same team with you guys as Tony said about 15 minutes ago because I completely and fundamentally disagree with almost every poem every point you and I completely understand why you made them and I respect your points and I think you can back them up with solid arguments but for me an all-metal phone is something that we've been missing for for such a long time except the iphone 5 well yes okay but that's not all metal it's yeah it's like metal and glass or like it's doing it again HTC is doing this kind of gapless aluminum thing which is cool and I miss things like soft touch plastic and and and and excuse me I don't I don't miss those in the new design I'm kind of tired of them and so to see them come out something as audacious as that and then they've incorporated front firing speakers into the design which we've wanted so bad for so long and not to throw you under the bus Brandon you actually do mention the front firing speakers as being innovative in your email to like you yeah so I don't want to suggest that you don't like those but I think I'm way they're incorporated is cool top and bottom of the display I think the chamfered edge it's a bit of a ripoff but it looks beautiful so much someone had to doing something right exactly but if he wanted to do first HTC made a huge huge step from last year's 1x signature design to this year's one I mean just look at what X what it was 1x or 1x plus last year it was all polycarbonate and the design language was as it was and the one from this year is completely different does it resemble the iphone 5 yes but it still does resemble the blackberry z10 at the same level so it is a new design for which I applaud but then again good artists but artists stealing borrowing you know the drill all right all right so so go ahead go ahead Rena you know get it continued i think i think it's it's okay we can talk more about the hardware when we get it in our hands yeah yeah yeah that's uh that's something that you kind of gotta live with the phone but I mean when we were there standing there holding the phone it I don't know the phone that was touched by a lot of people of course because a lot of people from the press but damn whether it was black or white or black or silver the phone had like this it felt look greasy to me like it was absorbing oil or some somehow holding it in you know yeah i mean the silver one didn't feel that way to me the black one did and you know i think there's a is just no getting around that you know i mean compared to the blackberry z10 frankly I thought the screen was doing very well because it depending on the glass use now this is something nobody talks about enough but the type of glass you use on the display and the type of coding use on the display really affects how good it feels after prolonged use and the z10 feels like an absolute sponge full of like french fry oil after you use it for any length of time whereas other modern smartphones do not so I think the one was holding up pretty well under that barrage but I think we didn't we agree on the video that the black one was not holding up as well black snow go that's so very issue yeah that's a little bit psychological I mean if you take a look at the silver and the black one side by side of course the black one reflects fingerprints much better than the white one your mind is tricked into believing that the black one is more greasy because you see fingerprints and not the white ones so it's probably in between them I think you know I mean since they both have the g string so I think they're both really excellent the g string the what the hell is that do you guys agree that it looks like a g-string can i get a it's it's yeah it's a thong in my book yeah can I get a hell yeah it's like I can almost picture a but Emma's g-string going down the quick you know the strings always better than mini boxer shorts I think it's easy to color that I think it's easy to call it that if it's if it's something you don't like about the design and i don't i'm not going to go out there and say that i love that decision is this in the vein on the of the butt flap on the other phone from CES yeah the Sony Xperia Z 0 would you take a butt flap over a thumb no I thing is I don't think it's a great design choice but i like that it calls out the camera that is one thing it does yeah it draws a line from the top of the phone down to the camera and it says hey this big-ass lens is here look at it and you know I think that's cool that it draws the eye to that um you know could they've done it better maybe but I I don't have a problem with the g string I prefer to GC has a dirty old man I'll tell you what we got who came up with a name um but um yeah we go ahead go ahead that's good let's talk about the software software yeah cuz that's easy for before we go to separate one more thing which I'm excited about is the 64 gig version of course it's gonna be only available in some select markets but finally somebody's bringing along 64 gig versions even though you don't have microSD expansion support but you have 64 gigs for those who have pictures documents images music multimedia and so on that's another thing people have listeners are going to be howling their heads off if we move on without addressing this because it is the same thing that HTC did before and this is what power users hate they've incorporated a non-removable battery again and they haven't allowed for user expansion and can you see that sentence again but the first part yeah they they've I know I can't cuz I'm about power it's the unremovable battery and yeah I think power users aren't gonna like it how our users aren't going to like it that's how I feel about the software um I mean I mean that's how I feel about the entire phone this is a this is such a phone focused on getting all those millions of people that bought the galaxy s3 to look at this phone it's a very consumer-focused non enthusiast focused phone in my opinion um you know they didn't do everything from the design to the software then the software I should start by saying that sense 5 is finally been lightened yeah it's it's flat it as one example I i went into the settings and maybe i missed it but they took out skins I mean sense has had the skin functionalities version 2 or 3 the so they've removed options they've removed some a lot of the clutter which makes it less customizable and then they give you this thing called the blinkfeed and it's like here senator front and center you should like this and um that's not marrying Windows Phone metro yeah it's it's got it looks you know it's got these tiles and they have information on them and they it changes its you know it's a little bit windows phone ask and it's infinitely scrollable all the way down and it sounds good on paper it really does because like what if I mean this is like the premise behind windows phone what if I didn't have to go in and out of apps Twitter Facebook web Twitter Facebook web what if I could just have everything flow on my home screen but the problem with blinkfeed it from what I've seen is that it really lacks the ability to configure it you can't add your favorite website like you can't add pocket now for example which is probably your favorite hopefully if your website or you you can't change how the tiles look and I don't even think you can remove it from your home screen so if you think it's inefficient or you don't want to see it I don't think you can take it off it's an yeah what's that it's an extra but it's a fundamental HTC wants it to be a fundamental component of your experience but but but why all right I'll tell you I went inside I'll go to decipher guy sure and you want to decide because you're an enthusiast and you're not a consumer and this phone is not targeted at you and so that's why that's why they want to do it and furthermore I think I I agree with you I think this might not catch on with consumers may be for various reasons but i think it is refreshing to see HTC do the opposite what did they do with sense when they 1x launch they said they took me aside actually when i picked up my review unit and we were taught i was talking to some of the designers and they were like look what we did we didn't we didn't break any of the stuff that that that what's it go we didn't break any of the stuff that I ice cream sandwich brought in we still let you swipe away your notifications we just lightened it so since four was basically all about HTC saying okay we're taking a step back and we're pulling stuff out and really I was worried that that's all the tents five was going to be it was more of HTC taking stuff out and making the skin less significant but what they did instead was build an entirely new feature of the skin which is of their I'm scratchy right from scratch which yeah it was influenced by Windows Phone and you know maybe it has its roots and thought there but at least they're trying to add something to the experience like Samsung has been doing so aggressively with with TouchWiz and I think that's the way to go i think i think to differentiate you can't just be like look how close I am to stock Android like Motorola is doing and who pays attention to Motorola that doesn't excite me that much I'm not a guy who mean I love motorola sorry you usually cares that much about whether if it's flat or if it's free d what I care about most is that from what I've seen from your videos guys sense 5 is very very fast you know it maybe it's because they flattened it maybe it's because of the Snapdragon processor maybe because optimizations but for me the most important thing is how fast it is yeah yeah that that matters on and it seemed you know there were some times there were some hesitations um it feels like the DNA but maybe I'd say Michael maybe like twenty percent faster uh what did the one compared to the DNA is one percent faster yeah I mean yeah I don't even know if it's that it's pretty damn fast how it will hold up in time yes and that's why we do after the buzz because like you know you install software you install apps you for the thing bogs down over the months and then you're like wow this is nowhere near as fast as it once was so did you guys see the interview with Peter Chou HTC CEO on the verge I did not know because they were in London right yeah let me let me let me read you something very interesting I was so interested to see this this and and it's it's tough to tell with interviews with Peter Chou because you know you don't know if it's a language barrier or you know because he speaks natively I guess Taiwanese cuz that's where is that the right language Tywin I don't know Willie to see the Taiwanese i'm not sure if Peter Joe's right sure that the language is that one each maybe Chinese some sort of minor the price doesn't matter what's the deal well so so so check this out mm-hmm great question what about sense have you consider doing Nexus class devices handsets that either run stock Android or offer it as an option mm-hmm he said as a company we really want to offer something unique and differentiated an HTC Sense helps us do that if you don't have the kind of deep capability provides you won't be able to do things like blinkfeed and our custom camera experience you won't be able to differentiate you won't be able to really drive the innovation and then verge said so you need sense in order to drive software innovation and he said yes that is very likely what Nokia why Nokia chills Windows Phone the the the landscape allows them to differentiate themselves from the other OEMs from the sea of phones and manufacturers and since I think is the differentiating factor between Samsung phones LG phones HTC phones motorola phone sony phones and so on it's the bluffs it's the add-ons it's the user experience yeah I completely agree I I'm Brandon I know you have to we're gonna lose you in a couple seconds because you've got work to do because it's the sun is still up over there and meanwhile it's like way dark over here in Barcelona but I do want to ask you a question before you go and I know do it Julia point to me because I want to close on this question with you ah yeah go ahead well I'm I am very curious and Tony to ask you this question too about the galaxy s4 is coming and there's nothing anyone can do to stop it I mean right so what what is the thing that would make you buy the HTC One over what you assumed to be the galaxy s4 I mean the galaxy s4 lands it's got you know whatever features were kind of predicting what what do you think the chances are for the for the one now that we know all about it I know we don't know anything really concrete about the four yet but what does the one have to do to win you over get answered right you go first Tony so we have reached the point in technology and an android where raw horsepower does not matter anymore we've got jelly bean software optimization so phones are fast as they come out of the gate from the factory so it's no longer snapdragon versus XO knows it's no longer dual core versus quad core it's not about the RAM what I think is that I am I will probably get the 1x the one regardless of what Samsung will bring with the galaxy s4 because unless the galaxy s4 will have something groundbreaking I don't know and insert anything here and upon the blank line the one so far suits my needs I mean my only question is related to the camera if the camera sucks or I'm not gonna like it then it's going to be the galaxy s4 but it's no longer a question of is the Exynos processor faster than internet dragon do does the s4 have more RAM it's a question between the features which taylor to you yeah yeah I i was gonna soggy yeah I was gonna say something like that I was gonna say at this point in technology I'm looking to be delighted I'm looking for surprises something that makes me feel something really mad unique yeah and you know I'm not saying I don't like the one I really like the one and I'm going to probably use the one and it depends on what Samsung does I might use it for a long time but will I be delighted by the hardware maybe probably probably not because it's not something I mean it's beautiful but it's been done before will I be delighted by the camera if it takes super incredibly amazing pictures maybe but i'll still be kind of bummed about the four megapixel thing will i be delighted by boomsound which is the loud front-facing speakers out you know I think that's cool but my wife always yells at me when I'm watching YouTube videos to turn it the hell down so i'm gonna cranked up so high cuz you got to put your palm box exactly but go ahead well I'd be delighted by blinkfeed well it doesn't really work the way that I want as far as I've seen so probably not you know will be I'm just trying to think of how I will get that feeling of delight from the one and and what can samsung do to bring the delight well I don't know as they're gonna have that octa-core processor maybe you know like Tony said we're getting to a point where you know jelly beans fast enough and at quad core processors plenty fat I mean what what are you gonna do like run adobe premiere on your phone um oh that's a really tough question I think I think Samsung will have a couple of key points which they will try to tout against HTC or in their favor first of all it's going to be the camera we're going to hear the same exact HTC slogan that that megapixels don't matter from Samsung but the other way around the complete opposite and they're going to say megapixels do count them they're going to come up with 5 10 15 reasons why they do and they're gonna tell their new 8 9 12 13 megapixel camera that's one thing the other thing I it's gonna be all about features whether it will have a stylist s-pen or not it depends on samsung but at the end of the day it comes down to the user so my conclusion is horsepower doesn't matter just check out two things one build quality to user experience in 2013 I think android phones come down to this yeah I think that's I think that's really good just boiling it down to two user experience and build quality because those are the things that you you live with I mean that's the thing you spend the most time with and but i would i would add a third to that which is that I do care about performance and Michael and I argue about this all the time I can tell the difference between a browser opening in point six five seconds and point five five seconds I truly can I I don't know why um and and but yeah and that's what matters is not targeted targeted targeted toward you but I I do want to say that I'll just answer the question real quick and in my own terms and I think the reason this question my mind was because we were talking about build quality and if Samsung doesn't bring some incredible build quality with the galaxy s4 and the new design and a new design I'm not going to be impressed because I'm very tired of holding the galaxy s3 and the note to Penn domini right all the over the entire galaxy line basically and saying wow this feels like plastic in the early early leaks I hope they're not right they show like a variant of the galaxy s3 just like different kind of button kind of art that that would really be upsetting really be bad yeah and I hope that doesn't happen so it if that if that drops so if that does happen if all the renders are right for some reason and the galaxy s4 comes out and it's basically a tweaked galaxy s3 exactly I'm gonna do the downward thumb point and I'm gonna go with the HTC One if I'm shopping for an android device because I value a build I think build is so important that it's actually part of the user experience I wouldn't separate it from I yes you know I think it's crucial and you know people ask me is like to copy the other phone I'll be like no I don't want to associate with you you know I don't mind that but yeah I know it and I don't want to keep you hanging on the morn you're sending one word so in conclusion everything comes down to camera performance if the ultrapixel camera delivers it's gonna be the HTC comes down to more than that bow you think it doesn't come down a more facility comes in you that's good but yeah that's world different you know whatever you we're all have our pants but guys thank you have fun you i will be talking to you very soon and what do you say oh you yell what do you say we have a little hangout tomorrow yeah yeah oh yeah we're gonna be hanging out tomorrow so i'll see you on the Hangout alright that sounds like a plan man all right adios Lou wait wait wait yes the sash adios muchachos that's a wiggle good day to you sir I've got the movie end so we will miss Brandon for the rest of the podcast which is not going to go very long because this is a special one and we have had a little intermission because we had to get our version the Nokia Lumia 920 after the buzz ready which is now should be live by the time the podcast goes up it will be live it will definitely because it's gonna take us forever to edit this beast of a podcast now that our neighbor has started showering through the association paper-thin walls and it's an interesting one yet it's usually watch it yes agreed we haven't seen it yet so we have no better surgeon but i dunno yet can we say this these are ya oh yeah spoiler alert couple of particles of dust in places where does shouldn't be a men to that so make sure to check it out hmm it's gonna be interesting one so by the way that that particular fault was found after we had actually already wrapped the debt after the buzz episode so i was i deliver the footage too high man who edits all of our high-end videos and all of our premium videos he edits and i was i was done i was like and then like two days later i'm low 30 amen and i'm looking at the Lumia 920 of my hand on the on a train ride and I'm like oh my god that's horrible how did I miss that and then I tested it and it turned out to affect an element of the phone's performance and I was like oh we have to reach so we went back and reshot some elements i added some more vo and and you'll find out what we're talking about a fuel see dat be which will go live in approximately 10 minutes that's episode 12 of after the buzz and last time it didn't add that section in which case we're taking it and since we're talking about nokia since we're talking about nokia this is the most exciting thing that I'm ready for this week wherever next week from open blam WC hopefully with our fingers crossed sitting here do you like Lee do you think it is that we're gonna get to see this fabled Nokia EOS very again since nokia is no longer producing any symbian / bell phones it's just normal that any evolution and camera software will be on a windows phone and the nokia imaging department hinted at this and we were just talking about this at our dinner lunch and we were and i have I I said the following thing I am very very fond of the 808 PureView and just before recording this podcast we did a couple of tests that test shots of the Lumia 920 against the 808 PureView and low-light performance low-light conditions and I said the following thing if nokia finds a way to combine PureView one with preview to or give you the deeper view with purview light in a regardless how many megapixel camera with optical image stabilization and the great low-light performance that's going to be a winner so in my book if the 808 PureView and the 920 would have a baby that's gonna be my next phone can I already can I just predict the headline like I mean instead of the Lumia the Nokia EOS is what the 920 should have been like yeah that's what yeah i think i think it's it's what if they drop PureView science on us in the way that they should have in its first round this will be the phone that i actually want and I don't need 41 megapixel camera I I can live with 20 something I can live with 17 something if the same principle of down sampling or over sampling works as long as it generates images that are larger than 4 megapixel that is true which will be interesting what I'm interested in is is low light performance and while you can have that put the 808 PureView you cannot have it without a tripod and that's been proven the 920 generates great images without a tripod with the 80 preview you need a tripod for long exposure times and your high is l we were kind of betting that around earlier while i was working on something i was trying to get skype working so we could get branded in on the podcast and Anton was taking a ton of photos of me in various stages of frustration and yeah you just couldn't hold the camera it's still enough he can do you didn't know the 808 can pull in light I mean it can you can set it for a virgin I think the longest longest exposure at times our about two points something almost close to three seconds and there's there's no human on earth who can get that phone with that weight still for that long yeah I mean at that point your heartbeat just starts you haven't I mean it's minutiae whereas the the Lumia you know doesn't have as long it can't bring in as much light but it really does a nice job of straddling that with the sensor normally when we use that expression we're talking about a compromise that results in reduced performance but in this case yeah the 808 delivered a very bright but very blurry shot row is basically unidentifiable whereas the PureView where's the Lumia 920 did its job right and was like hey here's this thing i do really awesome so a combination of both i think would be a not only a normal evolution to the PureView brand but the next normal step for nokia phones and i'm looking forward to that and if that doesn't happen at this mwc i'm gonna be disappointed hmm let's um let's talk about maybe something that's a little less exciting and a little bit less of a surprise it's basically been linked to high heaven and then I guess confirmed right that it was confirmed like publicly right which one the funded the tablet no not if enough that's a lot i'm going to end on that the tablet the eight-inch the samsung tablet yeah no no a point oh yeah no that's that's a certain we can take this for granted i mean a samson executive not only hinted that basically confirmed that the tablet will be here I think that's what it's like giving a cookie to somebody to calm him down we were waiting for the galaxy s4 and it's that we got the yellow sea window but the real question thread yeah the real question is now the galaxy the galaxy note 8.0 be out there with the specs probably which have been leaked the question is does anybody really care about the note 8.0 i will leave here I will say that I do and it I'll tell you I'll tell you why samsung has galaxy product in the 7 inch range and in the near 8 inch range right now but their galaxy tab which is not a very compelling brand to me the note brand is more capable I think it's a I think it's a higher-end brand and also the note 8 if if the photo we saw from the bus right if the leaks we've seen true let's say that they are said they are the note 8 will be the first tablet from samsung in that size range to follow the design linnaeus so it's a gap fill of the new line yeah right because the tab the galaxy tab 7 and it was cute the galaxy tab 2 7 point 0 or 7257 it looks nothing like anything else in the galaxy lineup really like I mean oh it does it looks like all the other tabs which is it's just boring and it's uninspired might not be exciting but at least it's consistent with what we've got out what you're saying is we'll have a family reunion will have the note 2 will have the note 10.1 and filling in the gap will be to melt eight-point oh do you think that there's enough niche for that yes I do because of the strong response to the Nexus 7 and the kindle fire and the other stuff at the 7 inch price point backed up by the increased cachet of the galaxy note name which is now a big deal you know out there or is becoming one if it's not a big deal which do you think will be the strongest competitor for the note 8 window like the strongest like Ed like counterbalance to it yes or do you think let me rephrase do you think the note 8.0 could be a real competitor not to the nexus 7 which we have right now on the market but for the rumored next Nexus 7 coming at Google i/o and may hopefully right no I think that that's what i was going to answer with i think that next Nexus 7 whatever that is that's going to be I think they're gonna bring the heat with that ok so tell me two reasons why I should buy denote a point though it is aside from the fact that i need a a 7 or 8 inch something right to get to my ear haha the note 8 has a compelling argument for its purchase in that it is not the 10 dot one which was a disappointing product i think and even with the newest software i think it tends to lag a little bit and it's not it's not a very i don't think it's a terribly good product on the software side or on the hardware side cuz it feels kind of chancy we don't know what the note 8 feels like we don't know how the software is going to perform but if they've been I have the time I fix victoire bet something I think it will feel exactly the same as the point one ordinal to know what can't because the 10 dot one is a is a landscape tablet for three reasons the 10 one is a landscape tablet whereas the no date is a portrait one the no date has a refined design language they've had the time to learn the lessons from the note 10 dot helmet and and Samsung can build an amazing tablet in the nexus 10 true but the materials are kind of the same the design is the same i mean people see the s3 CML to see don't know 10.1 it's all the same again in a different suite packaged form it is but i don't think i don't know i don't think samsung's gonna leave it at that i think they're gonna be like no here's something different here's that you know what for that i'm looking forward to yeah me too and you know what if it doesn't it doesn't turn out that way we'll be back here at this next week chocolate I would didn't turn out absolutely but I I'm holding out hope that the note 8 will be a better product than the 10 dot one was hopefully it won't be as big as the note 2 because the note 2 is huge it's the biggest thing in the note lineup and I think it will stay that way but i think that i think the no date is going to be significant well the no.3 is is due for an IFA 2013 mmm so they need a gap filler some somewhere there and the the note 8.0 could be just that salvaging the sales and marketing push for for the summer spring summer right and playing along with samsung's recently announced you know TV push and the s4 which will come sometime and a near future according to recent rumors one day before the HTC One availability Lamar's porridge for Jane tia yeah that's really something dick move right and coincidentally one day before I take a long weekend to visit a college friend so it is entirely possible that i'll be covering a samsung galaxy s4 event and then like getting on a plane but anyway i was going to say something before that there was far more pertinent but i don't remember it so will i will just say that the note 8 cannot be possibly be as exciting as another rumor we had batted around for a tablet here at mwc and that is the a sous not padfone but phone interestingly the fonepad was the first code name which was rumored for a bad phone so if here's this if the bat phone is a smart phone knocking into a tablet what's it phone bad is it a tablet document it couldn't be about it could be a phablet docking into a tablet it could be and so it's just normal that a sous is trying to somehow catch up with Samsung with its no to LG with the optimus g pro and we need a third player in the phablet market so i wouldn't be surprised if this phone pad will be a phablet with an 8 tablet but i wouldn't be surprised if this would run some sort of Windows it wouldn't probably not happen but who knows I was just gonna ask that I what's it kind of what's it gonna run I'm thinking it might need windows 8 blue which is bridging the gap between Windows Phone and Windows RT but let's stay on the Android side I think that this phone pad will be a phablet within a tablet and that's just about it I think it has to stay on the Android said because we talked about this what last week or something like that and well I know I came into that that segment of last two weeks ago his podcast whenever it was Oh kind of full of anticipation saying guys what do you think about a pad phone with Windows Phone and you and Brandon were both kind of like it's not gonna happen it's not going to happen because it's a stupid idea nears winos like how what I'm more excited about is that from the rumors we're hearing that this phone pad will probably also be built from aluminum and this is interesting we have the iphone 5 we have the HTC One and people moving towards aluminum when everybody bashed apple from moving from glass to aluminum now this is strange trend did everybody do that most people i don't know i don't think i didn't i think it's great not to have your phone shattering yeah it's okay don't get us wrong it's okay to go to aluminum just learn from apple's mistake i recently unboxed a black iphone 5 and it had a small but still visible scuff wretch frickin believable I was there I was just sitting right now people if you are getting phones tablets out made of aluminum make sure you get them sturdy enough or good enough that they are out of the box good and they don't wear off chip scratch something similar over time yeah and it's not necessarily that it's aluminum being used i don't know what the engineering explanation is but it's something to do with the method by which they use to get that chamfered edge and then how they handle the devices after that process is complete but whatever it is I couldn't believe it when you took that device out of the box and it had a friggin shipment this is not what we expect from Apple frankly from an apple or from anybody else it's still the 2013 I mean absolutely you should have your you know issued these issues under control and I know there's an old story and we don't find analyzation under words stuff like that but yeah please give us phones tablets which are good yeah I'm not chipped out of the box but you know we're gonna have the opportunity to see a lot of phones let me ask you something new in a lot of topic yeah tell me three things which you are excited about done in Tony's obsessed with the three is looking like they could give me two things excited about at this upcoming MVC this is a pre MVC podcast will have a post NBC podcast so we aren't gonna be here due to record and far so yeah so okay two things for what you were extended I will tell you the first one is that is it and this that's Libra showery the neighbor sharing man people like Sharon here I like it we like a clean populace um the first one I've already we've already talked about that's the no yes I think that is the thing that I am most excited for from what did you say that Nokia for once in the recent past has the opportunity to steal the show I mean Google is not here with Mandrake booth right Samsung's not here I'm some sludge to see one is not here right so it could be all about nokia it could very well be um you know I mean there's there's always there's a lot of players and we don't mean to sound like we're dismissing them i mean we're gonna say a lot from everybody but but Nokia is probably the biggest of the bunch then it's their home turf right because they always do announcements here right this is where they announced the PureView 808 last year true um Erin still remember waking up to that news like I turned over I grabbed my phone like I always do and I had just been brought on board or packing out I got brought important than two weeks later you went to mwc with high man yeah and and I've ever all over look at that headlines like Nokia know where it was also pressing the 41-megapixel you crazy bastard what are you doing I like like fell out of bed it was great and then I was like I think I was like I want to write about this and tony is like you have to write about this other tablet but anyway um no so I think that that is absolutely what I'm looking forward to the most this second thing I'm looking forward to the most is not a product or a singular announcement but it's kind of a feeling of redemption that I'm hoping for after CES which was a very disappointing show on the hardware front and we don't need to go into all that again but you know I really am hoping for an exciting show but on the bigger picture don't you think NBC is somehow slowly moving towards the same thing I mean we saw of course Apple never participated Samsung has moved away now HTC has moved away will future shows like mwc ctia IFA and CES be all about zeti who have a assu say sir or as my other players yeah not necessarily smaller I don't want to offend anybody but but about these OEMs yeah I I do and I think the writing's on the wall you know for that kind of thing and that's not necessarily you know I don't know I feel like it's somewhat patronizing for a lot of people to say well it's not necessarily a bad thing because what do we what are we in this business for what does anyone in the business of tracking superstars in the business for you you are interested in seeing what the superstars have to deliver and when the small guy can every once in a while get up and say hey listen either wear a big company who's not a player in the space or we're a tiny company and we've never done it before but here's this awesome thing they're chaniz that's awesome i love i love that more than anything else but it happens so infrequently and because it happens so infrequently it's exciting when it does happen so I love seeing that but it's it's rare so yes I think we're looking at a future of companies doing their own shows for reason on my and I've been covering mwc for like three or four years in a row and after we took me sightseeing today and here I was like this is awesome near the water or something he was like yeah after the third or fourth time it starts to suck and after writing recaps at nwc I I always see the headlines android ruled but this time according to rumors angry will not be here as in Google will not have an Android specific booth with all the small sub booths so this could be a chance for nokia and it could be a chance for microsoft microsoft always always has something to announce at mwc it was windows phone 7 was first announced here that mango preview was announced here was it mellow now well Microsoft can show off something from Windows Phone 8 point something Microsoft can build a buzz this is nakia stir it's Europe and they together can do something and they might be able to steal the show I mean the sous might bring a lot of Android tablets that's okay nobody cares samsung might bring the note 8.0 that's okay i don't care do you care I care a little bit but a little but okay on an average not really not sell saxo this really could be about Windows Phone it could be awesome it's gonna be really cool for me I'd be happy for from a from a sort of family I'm wearing windows phone 8 d sure you totally are yeah I think I'm wearing a palm t-shirt and yeah so I guess we're gonna have to wait and find out but we are going to have we're gonna have this discussion and many others again Taylor less than a week and well tomorrow in the Hangout that's right and which will happen by exception not at two p.m. Eastern but a3 p.m. eastern so only for this time because between our eastern times and CET there's a smaller distance we're going to be at VP Eastern and because of a awesome hotel internet connection and our friend at the sausage stew we have a cornucopia of connectivity available to us right now so we will be able to get that out barring any major malfunction knock on wood yep and also yes you are right we are going to have a podcast post show right before you leave and we're gonna have a nice big wrap up and in between we're gonna have a lot about 30 40 videos hopefully that's it doesn't this time you know interestingly it doesn't come down to us it comes down to the OEMs yeah don't even how many things they have to show up the more things they have the more videos we do that is very true I think it's about time for us to to wrap it up when you say yeah please do well let's do it everyone please stay tuned for all of our coverage all of our MVC coverage all of our coverage from the rest of the globe and the obligatory bloopers so whenever I on camera there's the bloopers yeah so stay tuned for didn't happen those are absolutely going to happen we are doubtless going to get lost in some kind of Barcelona fruit market or something and we also almost unboxed a single packed orange today what we did you'll see more of that we do it yeah I can't wait for real lab tech but until then everyone thank you for listening and for putting up with our echo a hotel room but that's going to do it for this very special episode of the 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