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the most significant month in Android is upon us and we're here to talk about it welcome to the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss smartphones and tablets convertibles and phablets everything else in between i'm michael fisher and i'm joined today for what I believe is the second show in a row a first by Joe Levi the android guy from Utah good morning sir good morning why do they take care of all these announcements and events and cool things not in Utah they should move that he should your salt lake city should be the center of smartphone announcements I agree and I have committed a slight breach of etiquette bye-bye not introducing my steadfast managing editor and Tandy Nadia from Romania good morning good afternoon to you rather good morning to you guys and I am jealous because you guys will have the s4 event in New York but then again I'll have to understand because I attended the London event last year exactly is that where that row made a Bulgarian broke your camera I think people he was Russian was he Russian he was rushing yard it got worked out though right you've replaced your LAN it yet it got worked out yeah i'm not sure what he replaced but i replaced my lens i remember hearing that the pr a PR lady had to separate you yeah she was she was sweet and she was like like a 150 I'm talking centimeters now tall and like 40 kilograms she was trying to hold me back as I was rushing towards this guy's neck so he said it was a I thought you meant a hundred and fifty meters it was like wow she was no 150 she's a sprinter she just leaped over the table yeah yeah I was basically dragging her around like those chains and bold and she was like after me like okay it was it was nasty well here's hoping that this year at the New York City event we don't have a similar problem it'll be Brandon and me listeners covering the event and Adam covering the simultaneous Times Square event and there will of course be special editions of the pocket now live I believe tent-polling this right we're doing a hangout beforehand and one after is that right Tony we are doing a hangout live as it happens with Jaime Rivera Joe Levi Taylor Martin and myself we're gonna bring real-time news we're gonna bring real-time coverage from time square and we're gonna dissect the galaxy s4 from every aspect good good good Joe are you excited about that I just want to find out does it blend our friend from Blendtec no longer does I'm sure it will blend easier than the HTC one I'm sure it will yes yes yes very nice segue there Tony um this is a special edition of the podcast listeners it is going to be short because we had some we had to swap our schedule around when we were getting our HTC One review unit because of our availability and the one that is sitting in front of me because before we talk about the galaxy s4 we're going to be talking about the HTC One the one that are sitting in front of me was initially slated to go to Tony in Romania and unfortunately things didn't work out that way but HTC was able to overnight one to me which and I wasn't expecting it so I'd this whole editorial schedule for the week I was I knew what I was going to be writing about and then this this one shows up in my door right after the Kyocera torque shows up my door so I'm like oh boy so I'm like Tony we gotta throw out the rundown well you know we sounded the red alert if we worked it out don't you love it when you had to improvise yeah yeah I oh I do I'm not gonna lie that I'm not complaining i mean it when win a beautiful when something awesome shows up at your door whether you like it or not like the HTC one is the most significant device that HTC is going to launch this year it's maybe one of the most significant devices ever considering their position in the company not even position in the market not even maybe it is so I was glad that when it showed Michael I have a question about the HTC One did you put it under your pillow last night haha I did not but only because I had to put it on the charge ooh you know yes maybe tonight you know how that goes yeah maybe tonight one one point about that and we saw this in our hands on at New York City the power button of course we know is up top because that's what HTC loves to do but it's offset its overall in the left-hand side of the top surface of the one as you're looking at the phone and it is offset by the USB port on the bottom which is all the way to the right hand side of the phone as you're looking at the phone so stylistically that that makes a lot of sense because if you hold the phone right side up you're looking at it you know you're you did the buttons on the upper left but if you hold the phone upside down the USB port is also on the upper left and they're about the same size and the same so every time I pull the one out of my pocket it like like half the time it's upside down and I'm pressing on the micro USB port I'm like why isn't this powering on oh right it's not a button at all because they even feel the same it's crazy yeah that is crazy yeah now you have to kind of give it to HTC for sticking with their button on the top design everybody's kind of been doing other things and and they stick to that I commend them for that if you've got an older HTC device the buttons going to be in exactly the same place well except for this one yeah right yeah I mean we kind of gave them a little bit bunk for putting it on top on the droid DNA because the DNA is this massive 5-inch screen you know in my experience with the one it's a little less annoying just because it's a little tiny bit smaller but really I I think buttons with the phones this size buttons belong on the side I mean there's there's very little you can do gracefully to get your finger up there to activate that button so and since we're talking about buttons be honest how many times have you pushed the HTC logo on the front I know exactly once well it wasn't even initially either because initially you know I had my mind on it and I'm like okay I know that this is a new button configuration it wasn't until I think midway through the day when I'm starting to get a little tired yesterday that I was like okay go back home and I tap on the HTC logo like no that's incorrect but I haven't I haven't double tapped on the real home button to use the multitasking interface only like once or twice I don't know what do you think about this guy's this this new approach to the multitasking screen because I'm not completely sold on it are you well it depends on what you're accustomed to because if you're accustomed to Samsung devices that's that's just a long tap and hold on on the button but from what I know when somebody correct me if I'm wrong HTC has been doing this long tap since the HTC One got that it's update wait me the double tap yeah oh well I might be I might be wrong here even though I don't think so so HTC fans or HTC users are accustomed to this no because the 1x the 1x has a dedicated multitasking button so you can tap that once but then I guess you can long tap it for a menu option if you have one or if you have it inverted in the settings yeah see my thing is this I'm I hate I'm sorry but i hate press to present hold I don't like it as an interface element and so I don't like Samsung's implementation of their you know mashed down on the on the HOME key to call up the the multitasking ribbon so I like the idea of a double tap it's just add the layout of these nine cards listeners if you haven't seen the new multi task again since five instead of HTC's ribbon of scrollable sort of webos like cards it shows you nine laid out on the screen and you can still flick them up to throw them away which is not as intuitive in this arrangement but I guess you can see them you know you can see more you don't have to do as much finger work to see everything you're running but I you don't think I like it as much for some what do you think Joe what do you what's your favorite way to multitask on Android honestly I like the dedicated multi task button it's there it says you can switch from one thing to another thing really fast but but more home is in the middle that I mean look at Samsung it's in the middle look at Apple it's in the middle look at every other Android device running a recent version of Android it's in the middle so deviating from that too and i'm going to call it a shameless plug of the HTC logo that does nothing but stare at you and make you want to push it to go home is kind of lame and goofy regarding multitasking I like the way stock Android handles it I think everybody else is trying to come up with a way that's better than that and I don't think anybody has you know you look at all of the things that even HTC is done in the past and it's no better than then the stock stuff and it's just a little bit more confusing it serves to help people pick up an HTC android device and say hey this is unusual this isn't what I like this is what I'm used to and and then they might like better or they might not there's really only well throw in the third choice which is I really don't care just let me go that other app so so yeah that's that is the thing go ahead time I have two things to note here and the first one is that we have to be fair with people we are exchanging phones on a weekly or bi-weekly basis so we can compare it to other phones but if you're getting the one either unlocked or on a carrier contract you're holding on to that for at least one here and chances are if you're getting a one you're an HTC fat and you're going to get the 12 or whatever its thing is going to be so you're you're used to the HTC way and regarding the other topic I kind of applaud HTC for for trying to go as minimal as possible because instead of having we initially had for Android buttons we had now the standard as 3 and HTC is going with number two it's just normal that they ditch the search button because you can now search with the with the Google now and the on device search which is good so it makes sense to have a back and a home button only and since it would have looked a little bit ugly to have the HTC logo on one side and the home button in the middle I kind of like the way things are right now do you know what I just realized i have not yet accessed google now there we go blasphemy I was like wait a man do it I'm like well if I double tap the home see now this is this is a testament this is actually important I I thought that okay if I double tap the home button I get multitasking what if I long press the home button like I would long press the menu button on the Samsung device and that is in fact what calls up Google now on the phone so that's good that's intuitive that's that's a good way to implement it and I don't think that you don't have a swipe up from the bottom from any screen to get it that it is not know it is not a Nexus device and then in that sense or or in any sense but it's not it's especially not a Nexus device in that sense but while we're talking about software because we do have to touch on hardware but if you've seen our premium unboxing from yesterday you know a little bit about the hardware and how we feel about it but this software guys sense 5 so what what happens when you get a new hot piece of Android hardware that you're not sold on the software guys what do you what do you do we were to get accustomed to exactly you rooted you try and get a custom custom rom whatever or just a watcher here or a custom launcher exactly and you know that happens a lot and the HTC One hardware is so beautiful that a lot of people are going to jump to that but I'm you know we're required to obviously give sense 5 a shot and more more than that personally I want to like it because well because HTC right we always talk about this any listen to the podcast knows our feelings on HTC would like them and God I gotta tell you since five it to me is aesthetically very very cool it manages to do what Windows Phones modern style does but differently it's it's as minimalistic it really is but it's just different if she is still sticking with their graze here you know they're doing the grey and blue and white thing to this it's classy looking paired with the right wallpaper it's it really pops and I gotta tell you I we can talk about blinkfeed in a second but just the visual design language itself is is very striking I think it's beautiful especially and it's well matched the hardware that's what I've been trying to say this whole time it is well matched to the to the hardware it's running on buddy from from what you guys seen I've seen do you are you hating it so far you're loving it what's your opinion of it what are you guys I what I was yeah because mine is the shortest answer I wasn't there in New York I only had a brief two-minute hands-on with the HTC One at mwc in Barcelona so I'm gonna pass on this because I don't want to judge either way for actually using the phone Roger yes I understand but I mean like just the visual style that you've seen from screenshots and I I don't necessarily have to say I like it but I don't hate it I tend to be the user who is working with whatever he gets from the OEM so if its iOS 6 i'm not bored with it if it's TouchWiz I'm not more with it if it sends five point oh I'm not bored with it I use it the way it was intended to and I think this is good because everybody on the team has a different approach you guys especially Joe is the guy who non-stop customizes and routes Michael is summer in the middle and I'm the stock only guy so this gives us more perspective on every device right right and I want a good show i want to get you to weigh in on this and this is funny we don't do a live podcast yet listeners so this is just a moment of sheer synchronicity my friend Chris just sent me a text message a trot in the air like two seconds ago and he's just kind of vamping on the on the Hun Sen's five and he says multitasking interface on sex fun whoops and what he says multitasking in her face on sense 5 is pretty sexy blinkfeed is stupid as hell so he's just kind of vamping on thing and why is the apt or 4 by 3 or 3 by 3 with that stupid clock at the top so it's interesting to me the timing on this text message it's almost as though we did have a live podcast and those guys right I should mention that though the app drawer is they really have spread that out and if CC seems to be saying with the new version of sense that people who scroll kinetically are like wrong it's not kind of it's not going to serve them you guys know when you have a long list of stuff and you just give it a really solid flick and it kind of goes on forever mmm that does not happen on the sense 5 almost anywhere like no matter what strength of flick you give it it's only going to go one page that's one of the fun things that i do i'm just sitting there bored trying to occupy a time looking at my phone because I don't want to participate in the conversation and I'll open something up and I'll do that I will deliberately flick just to see it go fast and well you're not going to do that on Sam I no definitely it's it's also what we do when filming review videos when we don't know what else to do with their hands when we haven't shot that piece of energy footage yet and it's like let me just go ahead and flick through the screens here look how smooth and fluid this motion is just so like that I'm usually more yeah good you've been you're getting close to being 24 hours with the HTC One right yes that's true so not as a editor at pocket now not as somebody from the business but as a user how long do you think you can put up with blinkfeed um I can definitely put up with it and enjoy it actually for for a bit blinkfeed allows you to not only pull in you know news and and and other information like that but it lets you pull on your facebook feed your twitter feed and a the meat let me have the people right it's very much like the people if if like the People Hub and and Flipboard had gotten together and made it made a baby and that's really it's really cool because you can uncheck boxes willy-nilly like say today I'm overloaded with whatever say pocket down news in my in my feed I don't want to really pay attention to tech today all you do is jump into the highlights menu and then you take off you uncheck the box next to technical and all of a sudden your feet is just Facebook and Twitter and CNN or whatever you whatever else you have in there so you know that's pretty cool it's you know it's not I don't think it's the prettiest thing in the world but it's it's it's always to the left of your home screen and it's nice having it there you don't have to use it if you don't want to so so then follow-up question when you boot up the phone or when you resume from a sleeping state does it default to the bling feet or does it default to your home screen number one I'm jumping into the browser right now so the browser has loaded up pocketnow.com and the HTC One and okay I'm looking on page oh wow this is a great website I got to come here more often and then I hit the home button and it drops me back to my to my home screen not to the blinkfeed that is good yeah so the blinkfeed is the option to the left correct correct and in that sense it's good it doesn't really force it on you which is nice yeah okay so Michael you're a Kickstarter backer did you back the chameleon launcher on starter I did not why does have a similarity here well i'm looking at blinkfeed and i've seen that and chameleon launcher started out as a tablet only launcher they subsequently have got it over to smartphones now I'm not running it on my Nexus 4 but the one thing that struck me when I saw blinkfeed was that looks just like chameleons and those of you who are familiar with chameleon it's available in the in the Play Store go and check it out but those of you who are already familiar with it you can put your feeds on there so if you want a Twitter feed you want a facebook feed you want or whatever it reminds me and I know that's not exactly what blinkfeed does but it reminds me of that it infers putting your social content right there on the screen because any more social is my news you know I oh yeah old-time papers New York Times know who are they let somebody who's in the industry who knows what's going on and doesn't have to go through an editor that takes 2-3 days before it's approved and up and online so my news is actually knew its not its old way that's what we should call it baby I was just wondering if you'd back that and if so what what similarities you might have drawn between the two of them but you haven't sold voice but philosophically though it's interesting that more than one company is doing this and you know this is kind of split between third party people and first party cell phone OEMs or smartphone OEMs I think blinkfeed is is it's not it's by far not the most impressive part of HTC sense I think the most impressive part of HTC Sense 5 is that that cohesive visual style that I was talking about but it is you know they made a big deal about saying this we're designing this phone software so that when you're waiting in line at the supermarket you jump into your blinkfeed you take a look at it this isn't to power through all your feeds at all the time it is for casual you know casual digestion of cool information from what feeds you want and in that respect it works really well guys like it's it's big these tiles are huge I've got a huge picture of of like Brandon here from the story like it's easy to read on this 1080p display it's it's clear like so now that I infuriated HD saying that HTC doesn't really know how to make good cameras I'm gonna probably infuriate Samsung fans when I'm gonna say and this is by no means pocket nas opinion it is my personal opinion samsung doesn't know how to make beautiful phones I mean the S free I I didn't like that it wasn't standing out with anything the s2 was too close to the iphone to be likable mm-hmm and it was just yes so Sam emphasizing on beauty not emphasizing on materials like the HTC they are emphasizing on speed on specs on camera quality and on user interface and experience you know I like I i think that uh I don't entirely disagree with you what do you think Joe they're writing on their own coattails you know it's it's just another galaxy phone what is that the galaxy why is it the galaxy mini is that the galaxies cores are the galaxy s is an access it's the same thing come on let's do this is your flagship product do something do be gorgeous be wonderful be top tier because dang it you've got so many devices in so many hands you you owe it to your people to your customers to have something gorgeous and you know what guys Michael and I were tossing back in for some ideas and we have this killer idea for an editorial which will probably be going live somewhere this weekend or beginning of next week that Samsung might be pulling an iphone 4s but then again samsung cannot really do that because the S free is not nothing like the iphone 4 or the iphone 5 they don't compare and beauty so i think that they know i'm sorry they don't compare a beauty yet but they are starting to compare in terms of mindshare and in terms of what gets attention and i think the iphones cachet has eroded a little bit due to the efforts of Android manufacturers but also just because Android phones can now do much more than the iphone can do and i think consumers are starting to realize that and as a result I think Samsung does have a little bit of breathing room here to be like listen we're going to kick out a refresh for last year's model because we're not going to be taken as many with this one because we already know that we're successful so why are we going to jeopardize that I'm not saying I like it but I'm saying I think that's there that's probably they're at it and that's that's the Apple mentality i was i was talking about yeah it is right well but the Apple mentality of doing that they they had beautiful first and then they're adding stuff to that and they're being conservative afterwards Samsung's the other way they're still trying to get to that really really nice really top-tier hardware experience and now they're playing things conservative too that's not a way to win you've gotten there's a foundation there's also something else to consider I think when when they they sat down at the drawing board the at one point the executive said draw me a phone which is not the iphone which is as far as the iphone as possible with all the lawsuits going on so yeah do you guys think that is there any worth to these rumors that this device is going to come out without a physical earpiece that is going to come out with bone conduction all that that would be cool well I think that's that's just a Photoshop mess up me too I I don't think there's anything more to that and as I've proven it in my post I've overlaid the s4 on that teaser image yes free I'm sorry and that's basically just yes free with the top re photoshopped so it's just the placeholder yet I'm fancy lighting and whatnot wow that's too bad what we've been talking about these leaks and like the camera lens on the back of that sucker looks huge and we do have to talk to touch on the camera quickly but this like suppose a 13 megapixel sensor is probably a really good idea but that lens cover looks impressive as I mean that that's it it almost looks terrifying with this like I staring at you like HTC the one has it to this big lens cover that's that's that's kind of this big black meatball on the back of the device but for some reason it just looks more pronounced on the galaxy s4 the rumored galaxy s4 do you think this is going to help us for in terms of delivering a good camera experience Joe it's got to you've got the bigger aperture you've got the bigger lens you've got the bigger everything you've got the the better pictures you're going to have whether or not you like that because it impacts the design of the phone the thickness of the phone and whatever is moot if you care about having a super high res high quality camera look at the galaxy camera another galaxy device by the way it's got a huge old honking lens on it sure now I'm not advocating that we do that on the galaxy s4 but it's the same it's the same thing you you can't have one without the other at least not in today's technology what about you Johnny so since everything we talked about the s4 is based on rumors i'm going to allow myself the and i'm going to bring a new rumor to the table i've recently read that samsung at one point has managed to get a patent application approved for a special lens on a camera which would allow for better panoramic pictures and if that is the case with the s4 and this is again a rumor then it's just normal to have a better lens cover because that the lens which is behind the lens cover is actually has to actually allow the lens to have a better panoramic look at the scenery mm-hmm and we've seen the effect of that that can have on devices like the droid DNA and the yeah HTC windows phone 8x with its front facing camera which is this this little recessed bead and this kind of counter sunk crater it gives you a really nice wide angle view and it's cool but everything we have said up to this point is really nice and everything but what really really really concerns me is this morning's piece which comes as a confirmation from Bloomberg of course it's based on to people's opinions who are familiar with the matter unquote that the u.s. brians of the galaxy s4 will indeed support the Qualcomm Snapdragon 600 and the rest of the world will get the 88 or x unos and and i really think this is this is where Samsung is shooting themselves in the foot because once the notes you landed and it was standardized across all regions we thought that they finally figure that one out the LTE and everything but it if these rumors turn out to be true then I'm sorry for us customers not saying that the 600 is a bad cpu know it's an exceptional CPU I'm just saying that there will be differences across devices gross yeah there were agents there will you know that Samsung's problem I think the Samsung would be shooting themselves in the foot if that resulted in a measurable impact in sales but I will go out on a limb here and say it will absolutely not nobody's going to care you're probably right yeah yeah no but no but no regular consumer is going to it talks about processors that you know people in the United States know what Qualcomm is because there's a frickin sports stadium named after the company not because it's a processor manufacturer so it's not going to do anything to impact the sales the galaxy s4 I don't think it's going to be something to talk about for us because we'll be able to run some comparisons and see like what is octa-core really worth anything and we'll be able to make you know cool cool stories based on it but and we're gonna bring in James Bond villains and all kinds of stuff when we talk about yeah absolutely weird i I'm more interested i guess i'm most excited about about the the camera and because Samsung when they dropped the s3 on us and we took that thing for a spin and we took photos with that sucker I mean you know Samsung didn't really go out of its way if i recall correctly to puff up the camera in its marketing materials but the s3s cameras just it was incredible and the software was incredible that lets you tweak that performance further and i think that there I agree with you Tony they're really going to come out and and probably destroy the performance of the ones camera and I think this time they're not going to be quiet about it because they realize that the HTC One is a bigger threat than the One X was maybe well to be fair I think the s3 and the notes who already are better cameras than than the one that may be said now we haven't done a that's fair you know I'm probably yeah that's probably fair to say yeah without doing the comparisons which is where you were going Michael yeah just based on my mental image that that seems fair hmm yeah and yeah based on my hands on experience I can't readily say that you're wrong Tony I think that's that's probably true but you know edit well at least a normal lighting and low light the one absolutely destroys them yeah so it ended it as we've said about I think maybe about 20 episodes in a row well it's not good the sales of the HTC one vs the galaxy s4 it's not going to come down to equality equality against quality is going to come down to which one can be marketed better and unless HTC has a real ace up its sleeve in terms of a marketing approach I don't see them coming out on top with regard to this well the other thing to consider is Samsung has already got the marketing approach they've already got the name they've already got that they've won where HTC can can make inroads is with carrier partnerships and contracts if they flood the carrier's with this device and make it more attractive to the carrier's to offer to those customers even though I hate that model HTC could have a chance to get that device in the hands of a lot more people than dumping a whole bunch of of advertising capital that I honestly don't think they have into the market to say hey HTC one every time you see Samsung think HTC one that's an interesting perspective Joe I don't necessarily just disagree with you but I also am forced to think of every Windows Phone launched at AT&T say in the united states where they have this nice little side booth in the in the store oftentimes it's up front it's called out there's a big window size like banner ad but still people come in and and you know they were not always isn't taken to that booth i think you really have to sell the employees more than anything and in my experience and this is a big generalization but i'll allow myself to do it because I used to be one wireless sales people generally do not tend to be people who respect things that are different they don't like selling things they don't know and they don't generally use things they don't know they use what's popular and I think that they're going to continue to push samsung stuff so until HTC can find a way to ingratiate itself to these retail employees they're never going to going to see these type of success at samsung has seen turn so you're saying they need to give these devices to exploit yes I think get them using them or maybe to their children right because you know if the children start using them though it's it's it's apples technique to get apple products to get kids using apple products by putting apple products in elementary schools and secondary schools and colleges free of charge here you go use it so that that's the technology that's the brand that you know and you're aware of and when you grow up to be a real person you want to use that same thing because you already know it did they have its acceptance travel is cash right very true okay so I was about to say because I'm sensing from the structure and from your ideas and these sentences that were wrapping this up we are yeah it is just fair to say the following thing we are geeks and so are probably most of those listening to our podcast and following pocket now so it yeah that yeah so it's just fair for us to want to compare anything with everything including the HTC One deal with the s4 now the point is that the s4 will outsell the S free and the HTC One will will not come close to twenty percent of the s4 sales but i'm thinking that HTC's point or target this year is not the competition with the galaxy I think HTC is directly competing with themselves because they are on a sliding trend and they want to stop that and the HTC one is capable of stopping that trend and that I read at one point I haven't checked this so don't quote me on this yet that HTC sales numbers are close to where they were before Android so I think that it's it's not the HTC one vs the the s4 this year it's the HTC vs HTC and and that's that's the end of the story sure yeah I agree and they definitely have to get their house in order before they go after degree go after Samsung's they're not at all in the same footing they were before and you know there's a couple other competitors down at their level to worry about but I think the interesting thing about HTC and the reason we spend so much time on the one and on HTC in general is because we know the company is capable of being that big and being that successful because we've sort of you know we've gotten tastes of it before and also we're kinda almost to a man on the team in love with HTC hardware so you know as always I think we got to wish him best of luck as we cover their efforts but I I want to know from each of you personally never having held the galaxy s4 yourselves and also never having held that the HTC One for maybe more than a second but all the same I want to know based on what you know now which one would you buy if they were both in front of you at the same price Joe why don't you go first I it's no no secret I'm an HTC fan and I hate hyper glaze I have helped neither of these devices and I really really would like to hold them both violent had yes for either no I'm on no I know I've got a super slippery nexus 4 and what was me but I know I know what Samsung is I know what Samsung does I know what the s4 is I don't have to hold it I know what it is I know what its gonna feel like in hand now the actual usability experience that I'd like to see I'd like to use it I'd like to I'd like to have it for a week and just say this this is a nice device and this is why this is a sucky device and this is why looking at the HTC it just looks quality it looks high-end it looks like something that I would like to have it's not like some of the other HTC's I've seen it's got a little bit more bold style and appearance but it still emphasizes everything that HTC is good at everything that they've sold me on across the many many years that I've been an HTC fan so if I have the two of them sitting on the table and the salesman says pick one of those and you can have it for free I'd go with the HTC for free if they said pick one of those and pay a reasonable amount for and they were exactly the same price exactly the same whatever else carrier I I'd go with the HTC that this well answered Joe thank you I reserve the right to recant that statement if HTC screws it up but the recorders on Levi yes you can't get away from this one but just based on what I've seen so far which is what I think the question was getting at it I I would go if it were my money and I were spending it today I would put it on htc just because I like the way the device looks and I think HTC is going to get back into the game in a strong way with the with this device so I want to make sure we're hearing you correctly are you saying you'd go with the HTC device out but I'm kind of leaning towards it yes okay HTC what about you two but this there's there's no secret and there's no use in me hiding this I hated the 1x last year i hate i was about the only person on the team who who really disliked it and sold my unit just one month after purchasing it but that's no secret and i said it many times and i will say again ever since I saw the design of the HTC One I said that the HTC one is the phone for me because it speaks Apple it speaks quality and that means a lot to me but I also said the following thing I will pick the s4 over the one if it collectively brings two things to the table 1 a better design to a better camera regardless if either one of these happens on its own i'm going with the one and so far judging from the leaks the design is going to be the same the way I hated the 1x last year I hate the samsung design so if both happen it's the s4 if only one of those two happens it's the one nice thats that concisely answered i think that i agree with the both of you both made excellent points i think one thing that there is an analogy to be drawn between us and or a division to be drawn between us and the regular populace because as you said earlier Tony we handle new phones all the time right them but you know so we have to kind of keep a level head about us when we're evaluating these things for consumers but I think what would they there's an analogy between when a regular consumer says will i buy this and use it as my regular phone you know we we don't really say that but we do often say amongst ourselves would you really want to review this because you know that's about as intimate as we get with a phone right it is reviewing because you get to know every single part in every nook and cranny and based on I base my self perception of a device of my perception of advice on whether I want to review it as things stand currently i would love to review the HTC One I'm not going to but I would love to I I based on what we've seen from the leaks if the leaks are accurate I am not at all interested in reviewing the galaxy s4 um and I think that helps to reinforce my sense of what's important to me and certainly hardware it's a big part of it but Tony I will district i will take a different tack from you it doesn't matter how much better the galaxy s4 camera is if it comes in that body I don't want to pee I don't want any piece of it yeah that's what I said if it just happens the camera and without the new design it's still the one right oh ok sorry then I misheard you then yes then you and I are in total agreement yeah um anyway we're we're gonna find out what it is I mean for now I'm somewhat enamored of the one but I'm within the 24 hour envelope and I therefore I'm not trustworthy I'm just in the honeymoon phase so we do need to wrap it up though because I do need to get to work and listeners that work involves creating more content we're going to have another HTC One comparison out as far as the camera goes that will be a text piece maybe another lengthy one and there will also be a video comparing the HTC One to an earlier smartphone so you'll want to check that out also another reminder that we are going to be covering the galaxy s4 event in the matter that Tony described earlier in the show I'm really glad to hear Joe that you're going to be on the pocket now live for that the special edition that'll be exciting yes it will and of course I'm gonna be in New York with Brandon and then I'm gonna be gulping coffee yeah yeah yeah that's gonna be too am for you yeah yeah yeahs sacrifices we wait I know it's tough so so everybody out there just dropped Tony line and tell him you appreciate his sacrifice to be with us and to share the world of tech with us I don't say that nearly enough so I'm gonna pimp you Tony his dang I it's hard enough for me to go at six or seven a.m. and and do stuff but you're up in the middle of the freaking night so thank you I I don't know exactly me waking up at ten to do this podcast is very rough on me but guys let's gather view of some closing thoughts before we head on out um yeah I think I think that tomorrow at 7pm or shortly after 7pm we will be at least once at one time wild by the Samsung announcement I'm not sure I have that I have that feeling I mean either these leaks are just dummies and Samsung is doing whatever they did last year with the S free and they are controlling the leaks and it's gonna happen something completely different or even if these are true there's going to be something which will allow us agreed it definitely there's they're surprises in store and there it's not going to be a total disappointment of an event then we're going to get a lot of video if they give us some hands-on time so it'll be fun to trade opinions on that and it's dead from definitely tune in for next week's show because we're gonna have a lot to say aren't we like always yes we might go past 45 minutes we might even be my team for the first time in the weeklies history Joe anything to to lead us out yeah I'm gonna sound like a broken record and I I don't mean to do that but look at what we've got today guys if we're arguing between two wonderful beautiful high spec devices everybody's entitled to their own opinion about which one they like more but we're carrying around a powerhouse in our pocket let's let's make use of that let's make the world a better place let's participate in good uplifting conversations with these wonderful tools and it's a wonderful time to be alive and just to show the same amount of love to everybody there's no just only these two devices there's also other spectacular devices out there like the Xperia Z which we are reviewing and by the time this podcast will be up the review will also be up so make sure to check that one Taylor Martin's first review for pocket now I cannot wait I've seen it in a brush or Taylor spray right I've seen it in his prototype form it looks good yeah definitely check that out dizzy dizzy doesn't get my motor running even I would read that review and I was like this is great stuff maybe the ZL will and neither I since I can't do anything that interests me apparently on the hand side side but but tablets anyway that's a whole nother discussion so for now we're gonna leave it be and we're gonna put a closing stamp on this episode of the weekly I don't know what that means but we're definitely yeah thank you I'd attending the door on the podcast thanks find us on Twitter everybody Joe is at Joe Levi Anton is at anton de naga int 0 and DNA gy and after the shamelessly stop you there because i want to thank everybody who's following me I've not only reached 1000 followers but I'm close to one girls in 100 so thank you everybody for putting up with all my I was just gonna see boss it was just gonna say 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