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an aluminum Android is upon us a galaxy s 3 plus is on its way and we can finally finally jam out to pandora on Windows Phone all that and more in the hour ahead on the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss smartphones and tablets convertibles and phablets and all those weirdo category straddle errs in between i'm michael fisher editorial director at pocket now welcome and i'm joined today all the way from Honduras for the first time in a long while by multi media manager hi mayor rivera good afternoon to you sir good afternoon to everybody good to hear you good to have you back and we are also joined once again by senior editor Taylor Martin welcome back to the show sir thanks for having me yes sure you're gonna let me come back no your fire fired you on Twitter a second ago yeah I thought you were gonna say one of the carolinas again clearly forget I super Carolina yeah salt on TV yesterday it was an old episode there's a show called swamp loggers uh yeah the discovery yeah yes cuz the best channels swamp blogger loggers loggers people who God that's our next series the department swamp loggers we're all gonna go to the bayou and blog about technology oh but there was this this fact thing that popped up on there that said that there had been a dispute over the line between North and South Carolina so you're in the clear oh really it was it yeah there was a dispute I didn't know that so yeah well you know I'm not surprised I'm not surprised where we're a fight in folk we Americans yeah i'm looking at the the preview of the the podcast we kind of whipped up this outline rather quickly and by we i mean i threw it together very quickly and then sent it to jaime and taylor mere minutes before you heard our voices begin this show so episode 36 came together quickly because we got some crazy news this morning but more on that in a second i want to kick this off with an announcement we have a really really cool social media reinvention at pocket now we finally shed our Chi um I don't know what would you call it have a uh um emily brodie our last our last resort i remember when we opened our twitter account and I you know I opened our facebook page and Brandon open our twitter account it was like man I can't find twitter.com slash pocket now it's already taken and then open youtube.com slash pocket now it's already taken it's like oh all right uh what should we get it I'm like well I don't know you tell me pocket out tweets and he's like yeah why not yeah why not nobody's gonna use this twitter thing so we actually we have we're done now we instead of pocket now tweets on twitter we are just pocket now which is so much better and instead has the youtube change been made are we just pocket now on youtube yes we are both of them still work yeah we are as pocket now but still those that have as a you know bookmark this pocket now video it still works the in twitter it doesn't and twitter it will not read a wreck you to the old to the the old the older twitter twitter handle will not redirect you to the new one but on youtube it will okay all right good well it's good to get that out there and will I changed my outro script for the show so that I'm actually going to say the right stuff this time and also just to round out the announcements we have another episode of the pocket now live tomorrow which is Friday as always and I think I'm going to be on it Taylor you're going to be on it right yep yeah we can't get away from each other this week and Jaime are you gonna be honored tomorrow no I I have too much I'm completely swamped my schedule is like I am I am here just out of the you know when you send me the invite I was like yeah I haven't been there in a while I would love to eat that's that's the only reason I'm here but you know when you you wrote me I was like can you be there I'm like no but I'll be there see the thing is I knew hi Mei was overloaded but i'm looking through our roster and poor you know adam just had surgery or whatever and you know everyone else i've just been talking to so much i just said we saw brandon last week we you know tony and i have just spent a minute we'll get away from each other so Taylor sorry you get to hang out with me again on the air it's cool at least you can't ignore me now so it's true I can't yeah I can't just can't just look at your text and kind of dispassionately put my phone back in my pocket you are fired because of the whole Instagram gig but you're not ignored yeah yeah on the other that that's not what I got fired I got fired before telling him the my official official PocketNow title he didn't like it oh yes that's right i was trying to figure out Taylor titled for the intro and I was like what's your title he's like I prefer to be called keyboard master or keyboard king or was it um god of the keyboard god of the keyboards you know what you know what I like that a little better now now that I hear it now that it is my ear right um but let's let's jump into stuff yeah so I want when we jump into our windows phone and our iOS categories today are actually very small because most the Bears share of the news I don't know if that's an expression or not is in Android for the past week but there was a huge piece of Windows Phone news this morning and do you guys know where I was because I was not in the office um no I don't know where I was I had already planned to take the morning off this morning to go do a freelance voiceover gig so yeah yeah yeah so I'm there in at MIT here in Cambridge Massachusetts and i'm recording like this voiceover for this guy from from the 1800's about MIT and it's really fun good back in the day there was no sand and it was all water whatever it was much better than that but i get this i'm looking at my news feed between takes and I'm like a windows phone just dropped for Pandora what so I kind of rushed home and whipped up this hands-on so that's the news Pandora for windows phone 8 is here and it's awesome I mean did you get a chance to download it or no I'm just you're gonna hate me for what I'm about to say you know it's funny because I'm jobel you know I yesterday in pocket now daily I was you know I was talking about uh I'm trying to remember what application what it was for windows phone and then at some point I was like hey mr. Joe Belfiore worst Pandora we're about done with the q1 and when you promised that it was gonna be launched and you know this morning we finally got the news he's like oh I am so excited we've got pandora and the first thing your buddy does is he grabs his windows phone 8x he starts downloading the application and then he starts launching it and then it reads a pandora is not available in your country so and so i am like oh ok I've got a solution for that so I start going into settings and I completely remember that when those phone does not have support for VPN connections Oh see there is no way around it there was no way around that I have pandora on android through VPN pandora and iOS through VPN but you know windows phone you know my the microsoft operating system the corporate company that is into absolutely everything that has to do with technology for corporations and security and everything they do not have VPN support on their phone operating system just watching I'm watching RV we have a we have a live viewercount it's displayed on a 4-foot steam gauge right in front of me and it's just plummeting into the basement as jaime starts his windows phone rand we have 11 listeners left so please so please you talk about I've got nothing nice to say so mad you're so mad I would be mad too I asked I think I asked Tony to download and he's like yep can't can't get it over here I was like dammit and some commenters have started saying that as well too and I'm sorry listeners I didn't mention it in the video or in the text that it's only available in certain markets right now but i'll probably go back and stick that in after we're done recording here but anyway I gave it a test drive and I was a bad sounds interesting you say that I'm because I was going to write a tldr piece about how essentially saying hey Microsoft where is Pandora you promised it I was gonna do the same exact thing that you actually did on the daily yeah and then it dropped today so I took it for a test drive it was only a first impressions video so I only test drove it for about 45 minutes but oh man it it's it's just great I mean no I love the design and I love the fact that it's free i mean i love the fact that you get the well you it's not job it's not like free pen door it's it's pandora one it's the paid subscription for free yeah exactly exactly which is really awesome and I thought it was confined to Lumia phones when I heard about it months ago but i guess not i guess it's all windows phones now the question is i did hear that there's a that there's a restriction that you can only hear i don't know how many hours I heard on your video right yeah you're limited to 40 hours per month now that's for all mobile platforms I was like so I don't like that a blunt point router one point 25 hours a day if you listen everyday to banner yet so if you're if you're listening to pandora eight hours a day you're not going to make it through a work week but you probably shouldn't do that on your phone anyway why not the contrarian you know it's a good question i don't know yeah you want to burn through your battery you want to burn through your data allotment i don't know i don't know i'm a spotify user so yes i'm a spot I'm just wanna know my users as well so i'm happy with the windows phone but it comes to the beta of spotify it's working great so i have no complaints on that department i completely agree i also don't have a windows phone 8 device so yeah that's crazy you should have one of those I've actually not used one I used the windows phone 8x for I don't know a couple days and that was it really I didn't review it or anything I just had it I pop the sim card in and used it for like a day and then do design I yesterday I I tried to squeeze a replacement Lumia 920 out of an associate of mine replacement Lumia 920 you you made me beg you to send me one of those phones and you're telling you have an extra one no I don't have an extra one that's right I didn't succeed but I thing is Jaime you will remember this issue the Lumia 920 has some dust behind a front facing camera like ah don't remind me listeners listeners for the record you guys are gonna gag me here when we were building the after the buzz video for the Lumia 920 you know Michael had actually sent me everything before he went to before he went to Berlin but the problem was that I don't member for what reason I couldn't compile the video early enough and so I I remember we did another video before that is so and so he's like wait a second I just found something I can notice dust under the under the lens I'm like oh my god this is terrible this has to be on the after the buzz and I'm like okay fine send it to me and then when I put the video together and everything I forget to add it and no it's and so my mind will than that even better than that with the night before they after the budget is supposed to land we have a pocket now live hangout from Barcelona where we're talking about this we're like guys tomorrow you're going to see the after the buzz video is gonna be great watch for the dust portion it's really uh god it's awful and then i said something like if hai mei forgets to add it i'm just gonna kill him something you literally did the next day that guy was like I cannot believe you know my god hey man it happens I've done worse but uh anyway that's if you have a windows phone 8 device check it out pandora is to downloadable for free considering that you get the subscription service for a year it's pretty cool that means you can I believe it gives you if it's not unlimited skips it's more skips but more more crucially there are no commercials and that's awesome and that is exclusive to to Windows Phone so cool thing feather in Microsoft's cap I also use Spotify but just to have pandora Pandora's been anticipated for so long on this platform that it's really cool to have so go and get it so it's fail Nate store go ahead so if you've got a Lumia device how does this really benefit you over nokia music I mean I've been a pen door user before I haven't really used nokia music so how do they differ really so the thing is with nokia music which i haven't used in a little while thanks to spotify i'm waiting for nokia music fire up some I've got my 920 right here we got the the rundown on the new nokia music actually there's a hands-on video from barcelona and i got to be honestly I don't really remember what the improvements were off the top of my head but so right now people are jumping to the video and like going to the comments me like you remember but yeah so I don't know I mean how does it differ into like I've found Pandora's mixes to be better okay they do get a little more stagnant with time but yeah that's kind of what I was Esther cuz yeah I mean I know Pandora will play a bunch of different stuff and then once you listen to it all you hit the end after like two hours and it all just repeats it's like listen to listening to a local radio station they're like best hits and then they play twenty songs on repeat I don't know I'm really whenever I put playlist together mostly a general type of guy so I have like rock on one playlist and and stuff like that and I like the fact that Pandora does a really good job in mixing music I don't know they they I love it for music discovery that's that's me right so and that's the thing like that's why it's exciting to me because nokia music yes you can make it learn you and it works well and blah blah blah but pandora already knows me you know i already have my station set up I've been using pandora since 2008 you know what i mean so it's i think it's it's advantageous and it's a big deal in that sense yeah you know plus it's absolutely one of the 46 out of 50 top apps that microsoft was boasting about it there when does funny at launch I'm being I'm being fed a feta wire I've just got a telegram in the in the mailbox here that we got to talk about nokia solar charging hymen I mean well I why do I feel like you know what's going on with this because I well it came out in the in the news yesterday that Nokia tweeted uh something saying son son here we come and it's like you know it's been rumored for awhile now that Nokia is working on bringing solar charging to to their Lumia to their future Lumia products and you know I left it as a question of the day yesterday on daily and I consider to be very cool I mean I just find it interesting that they're tweeting this now and there are no events planned until ooh probably the fall for nokia I don't think they've ever had events before that so i don't i don't think we should get excited that we're gonna get the technology yet but that's probably just telling us hey you know Nokia's working on it and hopefully it'll come I feel you know wireless charging has never taken off i mean if they'll bundle it in a box with me then i'll use it but it's not something that I'd pay money for I yeah yeah and wireless charging is is a good analogy right because it took forever to catch on and it is starting to catch on slowly here in the state yeah but each solar charging I mean I don't I think when I remember when when the iphone 4 came out with the with the you know the two glass the glass on glass on the design and we were we were thinking with brandon i was like what are they going to innovate with the NEX iphone which was eventually the iphone 4s and we're like men if they would fit solar panels on that back glass that would be like amazing because battery technology has not evolved it is the only technology that has not evolved I mean yes we had nickel-cadmium batteries on cell phones five six years ago a hydride and yeah and now and now we have lithium-ion polymer which are much better than the ones we had before yes true but the batteries have not shrunk the problem is that the technology has not allowed the batteries to shrink so think of the opportunity to have a smaller battery with a solar panel that will charge the battery or would at least leave the battery on or you know simultaneously charging the phone with that I think that would be really awesome I think that's a cool solution it's they're not the first yeah I personally do this uh the moma home a couple years ago yeah yeah the pool phone and it would only trickle charge oh you would tell me about that I didn't know about that yeah do it it was the Puma phone I can't remember who can't remember soon actually manufactured it ya know what did it run it ransom it ran a dumb phone OS it wasn't a smart phone right yeah it real oh it had like a puma interface it had a date like turntable app I don't know it was weird yeah I remember that phone oh yeah basically flip it upside down and it would keep your battery where it was while you were listening to music so if you're actually using the phone there's not you I mean obviously you can't use a phone in point it towards the Sun because then you're probably gonna go blind but yeah the problem is that it even if you lay it down the only way it's really gonna charge at all is if you're not using the phone right and at that rate it charges in like oh I don't know eight hours yeah no that's all but that book is like but that's a that's a fair trade i mean when you're muting when you're driving from one point to another you're not using your phone technically speaking or I i s'posed of it you're not supposed to be yeah um but I feel that you know there's a good portion of time where your phone is on standby and I think that's like a really cool idea so yes I agree but but is it worth the technological like the development of resources and the thickening of the phone and the increasing complexity and the increased cost you know it will just think about it I mean how much how long has it been for batteries to evolve we've got octa core processors on phones or we will eventually we've got more ram than them phones would have ever had five years ago but still battery technology has not been able to shrink if you want more battery power on your phone you need a bigger bad me that's just the way it is so is so you know companies are struggling to shrink the size of components in order to fit bigger batteries so if they could keep the current size batteries with a solar panel somewhere around in the design and i'm i'm holding the xperia ZL right now and there are a lot of places in this class frame on the sides where they could definitely fit a solar panel like the ones we saw in calculators 20 years ago so i think that's a cool i mean you're talking about the ones that were like half the size of a postage stamp that one yeah like the puma phone nobody a panel like the entire side of the size of the back cover to even get the rates we're talking about right Taylor yeah and in those calculators if somebody stood between your calculator and the light they turned off true true again but but obviously obviously the phone is gonna have a battery so the phone is gonna be on battery power when it's on battery power and that's gonna be on solar power when it's on solar power I feel that it's a cool idea you know out of all the gimmicky stupid things that we've received in the past couple of years that have never stuck this is probably one of the most ingenious e moves that I've seen so far in in terms of battery there's at least one technology i would rather see over solar power or even wireless charging and that's rapid charging i think the idea was i can't remember the university that had the breakthrough but basically instead of charging through basically you think of it as charging your phone right now you charge through one single little channel the way they did it is you would charge through multiple channels across the entire cell so you could charge at like I think it was hundred times the rate maybe more she's at the same amperage so basically you plug your phone up and it charges in oh ten seconds Wow yes so you have a ridiculous exactly so you have a three thousand million power battery it takes 20 hours to discharge you plug it up for 10 seconds and you're good to go for another day that I would I would be cool IBM nobody is amazing and and they're the technology is there they just have to shrink it down because it was designed for cars but they said that consumer electronics such as phones and tablets are not out of the question it is totally possible because the breakthrough was in how its done not you know you're not the actual methodology well well well hey hey University whoever you are I mean there there's a there's a current surge right now for phablets manufacturers you crazy you're in search I see over there / unapologetic phones that are just sighs in order to not fit in your pocket so stop worrying about the technology being too big just fit it in there it should happen I'm surprised we went through that whole segment without it that's what she said joke maybe it's cuz granddad's not on there man it's not on me I don't know but I may just make my galaxy note to feel self-conscious right yeah let's let's move on before we installed anymore phablet we let's jump out of windows phone and happen to android avatar right with everybody because we have to talk about what happened yesterday which was a special edition episode of the pocket now live yes the same pocket i alive that's happening tomorrow except different instead of a reader hang out we had a hangout amongst some of us at pocket now talking about the HTC one vs the galaxy s4 vs the Sony Xperia Z and I think was a or 2020 yeah yeah I think ultimately at the end Brandon asked us for our votes but the thing is um there was a there was a very funny comment that somebody left her in this train works like you guys suck you guys you guys are nowhere near as good as whoever because because you guys are hostile hostile to each other remember that you guys are mean to each other and I was like you know what I normally I just would have liked discounted that I wouldn't have even mentioned it but it's so funny because I was I was so angry during that hang out I would have been having some internet problems at home so I couldn't hear anybody nobody could see me and all of us and then saw mad about that and then my power goes out so I yeah so I lost my connection entirely I had to come back in in the dark as oz hi may I just looked like a floating head and the darkness oh it was absurd so I see it was it was not the most perfect hang out and I'm looking forward to having a better time on the air tomorrow but we we talked about a lot of stuff we talked about those handsets and as Taylor said yeah then Brendan ended up asking a closing question which device we prefer if we had one for a daily driver between the s for the HTC One and the Xperia Z which would we choose and all four of us chose the HTC One it was that point where I thought wow we sure should have probably had high me on this what would you pick timing I think we're gonna talk about it later on I wouldn't be our yeah we definitely are well yeah talk about an hour okay good just just tell me which one you would have picked now because I don't know ah man I was so disappointed by the 1x otherwise the one okay okay so here's the here's the point for our listeners the 1x um here's the point for our listeners I'm usually we get review units and some of these review units we have to return but some of them we we get to keep we're lucky enough to keep um and you aren't any longer people are gonna start complaining the interest too long yeah and then and then it comes to for example in my case like iOS devices iphones we have to pay for every one of them that we review but in the case of HTC phones these were also phones that up to last year we had to pay for to be able to review um and the 1x was obviously one device that we can get and I was like man I was so excited by that phone busted Lorna I bought it you know I coughed up the the five hundred fifty bucks i bought the phone and man oh god you know it was it was the perfect phone until I took the first photograph and for me it was so disappointing because I mean I was I was sitting in front of Peter Chou at the event and the guy was like it's an amazing camera and he said it's so credibly that I believe them you know I left the place believing that this was my next phone summer and I am I am sorry to report that I you know I want the HTC One for the record okay if I had right now 600 bucks and I had a galaxy s4 and a one and A one on the table I want the HTC One it's a beautiful phone it's the most beautiful piece of aluminum that I've ever seen I love the display on the one XO I know I love this plan this HTC One I love so many things about it but I hate the fact that I'm gonna have to carry a phone i won't be able to take photos with all right but you know we were just talking off the air before we started about how you know the various merits of Instagram and we're not going to do that again because we do that unlike every podcast but during that conversation you mentioned that you are an Instagram user and I know from experience that you do post a lot of photos socially are there also a lot of photos that you do not post socially that you really need that higher resolution for because oh just speaking for myself I share almost every photo I take okay so here's the problem in my my country is not the safest country on the planet so you can't really just walk around with a mirrorless camera down the street and just take photos so for me my camera is my phone um and you know I have a mirrorless camera the NEX and I have the t3i but I only take these cameras out ever so often as I could just get mug for the camera so for me my camera is my phone and so obviously i use Instagram not necessarily for for the filters i use Elsa gram for the social filters for the fact that i could just upload everything to tumblr to to facebook into Twitter with one tap and i'll have to do it twice that's the real reason why i use it sure and again over the cellular network and it's getting compressed and it's getting degraded anyway so it it is getting the gridded anyways but I'm for me sharing photos is not the real reason I want a camera phone for me keeping photos there are a lot of moments we go to the beach with the kids we go to these places and yes i'll upload instagram photos but then i'll keep these photos and these are the photos that are that become my personal archive of my family and so for me to have to compromise again you know Brandon I'm by the way we're putting together the review right now and the agency one yeah yeah i'm i'm halfway through it and you know just the little teaser i mean it picks megapixels do matter I mean I I feel that the camera would have been a genius move of they would have figured it out and I I content I continue saying the HTC One would have been a great phone uh probably six months from now when they would have figured that out okay all right so is that that's my point so my point is ok if I have to pick I don't like the galaxy s4 more than the HTC One I seriously don't I prefer the design of the HTC One I just simply hate the fact that I have to compromise that for almost the same amount of money I'm gonna have to carry a second phone to take the photo that I want to see hmm that's me that's that's a good I you know I'm glad we had a chance for you to hear your opinion exciting i wanted you out I wanted to hear from you yesterday but of course you weren't weren't there and neither was I for most of it you feel better now do I feel are you asking me or how high my I mean yeah okay okay so you feel like a weight has been taken up okay so so so tell me something guys um you guys want an HTC One how so you are more social about your photographs or or what makes you want the HTC one aside from the fact that it's a beautiful phone so i will i'll jump in very quickly and then i'll let Taylor answer I definitely do take a lot of photos I love taking photos of my lumia and I am NOT saying that I wouldn't miss the added resolution all I'm saying is I tested it against the DNA I tested it against the 920 I saw how different it is yes it's inferior in some circumstances it's not inferior enough for me not to carry it as a as my daily driver but then again I'm captain two phones i usually have a second phone anyway so really my opinion is not worth anything to the average consumer in this sense in the sense of like what do you want to carry which is why anytime somebody asked me on that on twitter 14 times a day I'm like guys this is not helpful to you also look at my profile but I don't mean to sound tonight I actually I love my followers and I I appreciate the questions it's just I'm just rambling Taylor go uh well I was in the same shoes as you last year but recently i switched from carrying two phones down to one phone and I'm actually having to deal with this for the first time what i do what do i do with a phone with a crappy camera because it was always carry the iphone use it to take all my pictures exactly all i would use it for and then have an android phone for everything else and now I've consolidated and I carry an ipad mini and a poem ah so Caesar for the sort of consolidated well I mean I don't I don't go around taking pictures on my iPad good for you good for you too I mean I do it on rare occasions like if I need to take a picture of a document or something i'll do it for records but i don't go taking pictures with a knife right um so yeah I'm having to do with it for the first time and I'm with the note 2 right now I've been with the nexus 4 for two months now and I hate every picture I ever take with it so I just stop taking pictures same with the note 2 and and the galaxy s3 and the HTC One X I just don't like the quality of the photos so I just don't take pictures wow yeah if you're not like the s3 and the node 2 photos then you're you're pretty you've got a pretty sharp eye I mean I think most people like those I don't know the plea you know the prom the problem I glizzy you're not accustomed to the iphone 5 and and I'll be honest I you're just not you know I'll be honest with you I remember when people would make fun of the iPhone because it was a small phone i'm like it's perfect cuz it's the small phone that I keep in my pocket to take photos and then I use the other phone for everything else I was exactly like tangling yeah in and that's the thing like when people did those camera comparisons and they were like the galaxy s3 takes pictures almost as great as iphone 5 my eyes like bulged out I'm like what are these people blind like oh my god and it's the compression level it's the compression level exactly gosh you don't have any detail there are no edges and it just kills me and anything yeah so I just stop taking pictures I'll take pictures now with my note 2 or the nexus 4 and I making black and white because grain on black and white looks fine hey you know what the funny thing is Michael um that it is a software thing you know it's something that these companies have not figured out because the iPhone 5 has this well the forest has the same sensor as the galaxy s 3 and s is the note to it is the same exact sensor made by sony and still i mean you get like this fuzziness when you zoom into a photo on these other phones and you don't get it on the iphone for some reason well it's in the same sensor it's not the same lens right right i believe it's well that's a good question i have no idea yeah I don't know we can I i am i'm a complete amateur please do not take my word for it i just you know going back to that editorial that i wrote on the galaxy s4 has just made the HTC One obsolete yeah cuz we don't work I wanted to lead that in yeah yeah go ahead and talk about that because I want to know you guys have a okay so-so what tell ya what I was gonna say could I say one more thing about the cameras though fire hey sorry uh the the HTC one everybody's complaining about it being 4 megapixels and all these others being you know larger and the problem is that sure it's 4 megapixels and other phones can kind of out shoot it in in certain areas but all the others even at 13 megapixels on the the Xperia Z and has a great camera iphone it 8 megapixels has a great camera but even when you're zoomed in they still all look kind of crappy so so what's what's the point what's the point in having a photo that's two or three times as large but looks just as bad it's just bigger you are making i think i was listening mostly and i think you have made my point that I was trying to make before and forgot to make when I compared the HTC One to the DNA and the Lumia 920 whenever I zoomed in to the same degree on both shots I did they looked just as crappy to me I don't understand what I mean okay so here's here's at least in my opinion why um you will never print out a photo in the full resolution of what a camera can take you will usually print it out at a much smaller size for particular reasons obviously for convenience you don't want a big photo you know what a piece of paper with a photo and on a display it's the same it's the same way the reason why I don't like the for my problem is not really in the quality of the camera on the HTC One because I've noticed the photos aren't bad when it comes to color reproduction my problem is what happens when I have a Retina Display computer and for the record guys this is not a problem on tablets for some reason computers are kind of wacky in the way they handle the retina display they'll tell you that there that they are these amount of pixels but they're really quadruple that size and so the problem is you try to look at that photo on on this computer and it crops it crops horribly I don't know it looks terrible it looks fuzzy so what's the what's the advantage of having more megapixels well that that fuzziness will be harder to see everything looks fuzzy on the macbook pro on the retina I've had one for a week now or two weeks I don't even remember but like a 700 pixel wide photo is literally like an and a half across yeah it's like yeah all right what I don't wanna yes yeah all right so yeah I know yeah you've got a new macbook pro which I'm pretty happy about you at you for I can't make that sentence because I don't mean it I hate you i'm very jealous i'm happy yeah you but here's the thing viewers you listeners you can absolutely see for yourselves what these cameras are like we have a bevy of youtube videos we have comparisons on pocket now check them out there's so much coverage on the HTC One it's ridiculous and eventually we are going to have to move off of it but before we do I would like to hear Taylor and I'm a road dueling editorials I'm just basically the galaxy s4 just made the HTC One obsolete the galaxy s4 didn't make the HTC One obsolete out at all okay so cool headlines cool positions hi Meg you are just chomping at the bit go ahead okay so um in the case of in the case of why did it make it obsolete the problem with the problem with HTC is always I I've said it so many times on the podcast HTC is the new blackberry it's like you you get this but you don't get other things and I it really pisses me off I feel that Samsung gives me more for my money you know I don't have to worry if the if the battery is not going to work well within the next three months because I could just swap it the resale value of my phone is going to be much much larger on a galaxy s three or four than it is on an HTC One because the battery is not replaceable because I can expand storage what if I want to carry a ton of movies right now and then I don't want these movies and I want music eventually I don't have to think about that what a galaxy s4 I have to think about that with an HTC One so for me you know I think that we're gone away from it's funny because we're going into the position where phones are getting thinner and smaller and they're getting non replaceable batteries with that excuse and then Samsung shows everybody how it's done so for me that's the one thing the second thing you know I talked about the choice of materials and the reason why did that is because I remember when I filmed the after the buzz of the iphone 5 my phone had no chips no scratches no nothing but it's been three it's been almost four or five months since I had this phone and I have no clue where the heck did I get the chips on the phone but they it's full of them yeah I was riding in a car one day and I had my iphone 5 without a case sitting on the seat and I hit the brakes kind of hard and it slid onto the floor board which is just a rubber mat nothing sharp or dangerous there and before it went on that sat down in the car there was no blemish on the corner I did that I picked it up and there was this huge I mean huge gash in the corner of my phone and I'm thinking from what all it hit was a rubber mat no rocks nothing so yeah that that's the downside to aluminum as that it chips and blemishes really really poorly easily yes oddly so how may yes so so aluminum is so is aluminum a better material than plastic of coarseness of course it is does it feel better in the hand of course it does does it age better than plastic is the question and sadly the responses no I could show you my galaxy s3 I could show you my galaxy note 2 and they look exactly as I pulled them out of the box no case used and the cool thing about the galaxy s4 is if I scratch the back I just get a battery cover that's pretty much it i just replaced the battery cover and i don't have to worry about my phone looking like if I loan it to my three-year-old son so you know I feel that you know the problem with aluminum is it does not age well that's the problem I mean I had an htc inspire 4G aluminum is not new it's been there for a while HCC has done that interval and Motorola did a long time ago 3 exactly exactly in the problem is it does not age well is it the perfect material for smartphone I debated sadly and finally for me uh my third point is megapixels you know right what you'll recover yeah yeah we did but you know bottom line is i feel that ultrapixels are the future fine but they're not here yet so I saw the future not the present hi Rivera not the present so like it's ovah get get me an 8 megapixel eight ultrapixel camera and then we'll talk but right now I feel that the gallatin it's funny because the galaxy s4 could prob would be actually lesser in technology when it comes to megapixels against ultrapixels but it ends up looking better than the ultrapixel so what's the point tail ends up looking bigger yeah you're uh you're on your counter points well okay Wow okay um well I'm gonna stay out of the materials battle for now until we have an adamantium phone when that happens sure Wolverine get some unobtainium yeah so I don't know Amy I have a galaxy s3 here and i have an HTC one x and i have a galaxy note 2 the note 2 I it's been mine the entire time I got it straight from Samsung Exynos so not just samsung but Samsung Exynos they sent it to me and allowed me to keep it it is in pristine condition there are some scratches on the button though so I guess purse teens a little bit of a lie the galaxy s3 has nicks scratches cuts gouges all over it I don't know who used it I got it from Joe Levi but it's cleaned up you set everything right there I got it from Joe and ask him ask him for his nexus 4 as well oh and the 1x that I have I used it for six months beat and banged it around through it around didnêt I didn't use it in a case or anything and it has one tiny little nick that's barely noticeable on the top edge of the phone that's polycarbonate it's Carly carbonate not the polycarbonate that Samsung uses the polycarbonate that Nokia uses and it is by far by and large my favorite smartphone material ever ate but why I absolutely love it and I hate that Sam or Samsung I hate the HTC moved away from it so do you think that they did a good enough job on the aluminum do you think that they're gonna the aluminum's going to hold up better as a result of their history with the 1x is that why you bring that um no my point is that plastic and and metal still damaged and it just depends on how you treat your phone personally I've had more luck with what plastic that Samsung uses but I the same respect they're all going to damage and I'm probably going to end up using it in the case if it has metal so that that point is kind of moot I guess but the megapixels we've we've talked about that the big point is everybody kind of talks about expandable memory or storage and replaceable batteries those are two things that don't matter to me whatsoever I'm not going to carry around spare batteries I explain this on on our hangout yesterday I'm on pocket now live I don't carry spare batteries because I don't stick with a single phone for any amount of time I mean I might use one for six months but the next one I might use for two weeks and then switch to something else so buying spare batteries is kind of useless because I have all these battery packs so battery charge there's with egregores feet I have I don't even know how many Tony begged me for some external battery charger yeah yeah battery charge and I have power bags I have a power bag to power bags so why I'm just I've just got a question then so like I mean yeah we have very specific usage case use cases right right and I happen to be in this instance on your on your side I think that the HTC One has not been obsoleted by the s4 but listening to these two arguments just sitting back as i'm doing it's very easy to see why people would agree with hi may I mean it is more utility in the s4 there seems to be there's more implied durability so what other reason is the is the one not instantly relegated to the dustbin of history um that's a really hard question to answer because I mean it yeah it depends on your personal use cases and for many there are a lot of people saying that the s4 is just not impressive not something that they'd want and I tend to agree well the other point so our trucks I mean trucks are not impressive but they have more utility I mean that's that's the point I think that's I think that's gonna agree with it I think that's the point I think that's the point you know well i think that the other thing that I was going to mention is is storage and I just wrote an editorial this and just published it just before we started recording and micro SD card slots aren't as great as they used to be we all used to complain when people started not using microSD cards in their phones and it was a problem because you could move your applications over to the SD card slot you know they had some kind of core function with the operating system but now there's no way to do that anything you store on your device if you get apps games movies from google play stream your music through google music or even like spotify where i download my playlists from you know my account on spotify everything is stored on device anything that you want to store on a micro SD card slot has to be either something you already own your own music your own digital movies your own documents and things like that so really that's really the only utility of a micro SD card slot is storing your own stuff that you already have which can take up a lot of storage and it's ways it's good that they're there but but if you have a whole lot of on device storage that solves the problem just as well as what you're saying exactly so i buy all my movies from google play all of my music i stream from google music or Spotify and games apps they can't be moved over to SD card so basically an SD card that serves no purpose for me whatsoever none absolutely nothing in that man and that's that's your usage scenario example in my case I learned a trick on how to pull my music from Spotify to the SD card and that's the reason why you know I use it I find that x I find it super cool because you know whenever I move from one phone to the other i move the SD card all my music from spotify is moved to the other one you know it's all you have to do is read download and then actually just the text the music and it goes again but you know obviously when I when I wrote the editorial probably my my perspective was more of a person that would have to cough off 650 bucks for the fur whichever phone and we'll have to use it for two years and you know I feel that the galaxy s4 will be a better investment in the long run um in my opinion obviously then you know in their cases where they're just gonna have one phone where if something goes wrong within six or eight months with the battery they're not going to have send it to repair like they would have to with the HTC One they would simply just have to swap the battery out and that would be it where if they're down the road and they keep buying music with two years um or they keep taking photos and video within these two years they could just send some of this send some of the videos and photos to the SD card and therefore not have to worry of having their phone not fit for absolutely everything that they'll do in that two year time span that's probably yeah that's probably there is solution it's like Taylor is the one who told me about a particular solution for this called Wi-Fi file explorer which allows you to move content without cable and especially on a Mac where Android file explorers don't really work ok well you know you can you can boot you still move content off a device that doesn't have a rouble SD card that's cool you know what I mean it's good to know that you have options anyway so in in my case that is a strong feather in the cap of any phone that doesn't have removable memory just from I for my use case I think microSD cards in some ways if you're not a power user and I'm gonna get a lot of hate for this might be an antiquated concept your games got a point have you got hungry and I know you made that point anyway but yeah everything that I like pictures I back them up twice every picture I take on a phone is backed up to Google+ and Google Google+ as a day yeah about to say it again um everything I take every picture I take on a phone is backed up to Google+ and Dropbox right so once my phone starts to get full I just just delete it delete them all of them just wipe it and go and we're gonna see more of that as we move more toward the cloud I want to bring it back down to these two these two phones and and and my thing is this i think to answer my own question in a kind of oblique way samsung is going to absolutely kill it on sales of the s4 we go we all kind of know that oh yeah you know it they have the marketing dollars that that HTC can only dream of and the resources in that respect but i think samsung has you know intentionally as part of their plan did not iterate to it iterated very timidly with the s4 and as a result all the buzz they tried to generate a radio city music hall with all the fluff you know it came to an event yeah which we're going to talk about in a second but the phone itself is does is not all that buzz worthy and the HTC One compared to its previous iteration the droid DNA and even they're back to 1x is it is a much more bombastic phone it's a much more noteworthy device and I think considering all the awesome reviews it's getting it's going to sell quite well and considering that it's on every US national with the exception of verizon for right now you know that's that's as long as long as I could start selling it as long as I can they can move it and I think they will and i think the HTC one is I have high hopes for it in terms of bringing HTC back from the kind of not the brink of failure but you know what I mean as long as they can get some components exactly yeah because they have to be able to build the damn thing but so so so there's that right but even though even if they can't meet orders I mean that's going to be embarrassing for them but also that has a tendency to raise the buzz as well no matter who you are it does look for it does if you don't have a galaxy s4 launching a month from now you ready right now is the moment where they have to figure out supplies somehow but no I don't think people I think that these are sufficiently different than people who are going out specifically for the HTC One are not going to be like oh well you don't have them in stock okay I'll get a galaxy s4 I think they're so different that oh oh but but but here's the problem i mean for us educated users and obviously our listeners that we have a certain different level than the average user that's the problem for us we know what we want and we know what we want to buy and we're just going to stick to it but then the average user which hcc wants the grass right now they're gonna be pretty much they're going to be you know taken by marketing if HTC will not publish the phone on time I mean if they see the phone on a counter and they get to hold it they're going to see such a beautiful piece of aluminum there they're gonna want to buy it but if they don't have it there because it's not available to be sold yet and it's still delayed then you know I think HTC is not in the position to put up with that right now they really need to get this phone out somehow they need to get it out before the galaxy s4 launches yes yes I feel I feel that they have to figure it out same time he made me wish I was helping a month before so and they got the 1x out well before the galaxy has three we saw that worked out but this is a different situation this is a totally different situation yeah it'll be interesting to see how this plays out and I I want to move on from this because we're going to be low on time and we're going to be talking about this exact same thing I'm sure tomorrow on the live with readers but let's talk very briefly this has been talked to death because of the scheduling of this podcast this is now week old news I don't want to talk about it for very long but just for a couple minutes you guys watched the live stream of the Samsung event yep um did you now I admit I did not watch the record of your live stream so uh how how dare you react I know a jerk I was in Oklahoma give me a break how did you sir how did you survive that event man seriously it was very difficult and you know what's funny like normally I'm normally Brandon's the one at events where he's just like you know all you guys I try to be and be positive because for some damn reason and all you guys are always like now it's crap and like now might be cool whatever just hang on but at this event I was totally like I was leaning over to Brandon every 10 minutes at one point I leaned over Dome after being subjected to like minute upon minute of this tap dancing six-year-old making cutesy smiles and these we've female archetypes and stereotypes and these cheesy smiles and laughs that I just leaned over to him I was like I can't take any more stick I want to leave they're not showing me features they're trying to distract me from the fact that there aren't many features I want to go I hate it hated the event I absolutely couldn't stand it and what about you guys yeah I had it on about twenty percent volume while I talked with everyone else but even then I was like wow I'm gonna mute this and just watch yeah it was bad um it was more about the show I wrote an editorial about this yesterday I always get into this this groover I'm like yeah I wrote this editorial wrote that in oh you say yeah you say the same thing on the show wasn't busy making last minute videos yeah go ahead it's more about their appearance how they come off through this multi-million dollar announcement event and didn't have much to show and they did they covered that up with I don't even know role play yeah I want to I want to make it clear before I know how many of something to say but I want to make it clear that for all my you know vitriol about this I respect samsung for doing it I understand why they did it and they certainly it came off it they executed it acceptable it just wasn't the right tone it wasn't the way it was so transparent and it was so mawkish and it was just you know you don't do that for that audience for you get 3,000 people in the room yeah and and you it was just the wrong audience for it and I remember reading all the comments on Twitter and stuff like that other from people watching it from afar like is the audience not Mike's like why can't we hear any laughter clapping because there wasn't any it was that was the most dead theater I'd ever been in that had that many people in it if it were a run on stage a whole lot of note a dead room is like and it was just so painful I felt so bad for the actors go ahead if you if it were a room full of basic consumers who knew nothing about technology it probably would have been the best it would probably been a grand slam well they probably blown it out of the water absolutely yeah but it were it was it was a room full of tech press and jaded angry bird why are we here yeah yeah where's the free food right okay I never want to get to that point but yet so so so yeah I mean I think it was it was just improperly targeted and and that's that's a shame because you know I talked to some Samsung people you know we talked to so many people at Samsung and at other companies after events we know these people and you notes I don't ever like to see people who I like and it like how was the show and I don't want to tell him like I really didn't like it very much but you know so but but that's you know sometimes you know you did there's a way to do that without being mean and it's like you know what I just don't think it was properly targeted that's all I don't know I feel that you said it right it's one properly targeted and you know I remember that we were I was repairing the commercial for our pocket now live stream and you know i published the commercial on daily and then i was like oh god Samsung's got a live stream and I'm like oh man we're gonna pretty much compete with Samsung and in our pocket a live episode I'm like oh well I audience will probably not be the best but we're still gonna do it I feel that people want to hear our opinions when things happen yeah and pretty well you know it turned out so well that that's been our best day in pocket now history our best traffic day our best traffic day in pocket now history listeners viewers thank you very much for that we appreciate the audience you know you have no idea how much effort it takes for us to get this right and we really do it to you know to bring you the best opinion the best our best efforts on what we think of what's going on and I remember as the event was happening that all the comments were flocking in like men I'm lucky in the pocket now stream a lot more oh man thank god there's this parking now stream yeah I was trying to read the comments while we were streaming and they were just flying by like I had automatically up the update on YouTube and literally I couldn't read him it was just scrolling constantly like one of those really fast credits on a movie oh yeah they that were they stole to get the next show in see I'm like wow but since I was again I was worried that we were not gonna have much of an audience but as it turns out I mean Samsung this is a big favor but but you know go go into the point i think you said it right and i think we set it as well in in in our live stream we were all disappointed I mean we didn't want uh at a galaxy 3s yeah as Taylor would say we don't want with it what a galaxy 3 as we wanted a bold phone you know I think that the GALEX not a blackberry bold yeah I think I think well if you remember the original black variable was a very bold phone ballet yeah it was really awesome it was a bold move from blackberry and I I think that in this case HTC has made a very bold move even even Apple made a bold move with the iphone 5 they finally changed their design and i feel i feel that samsung did the same with the galaxy s3 and I you know we're going through this yes yeah yeah we're going through the same problems when the apple released the iphone 4s right yeah that's like oh god I means like come on we were so surprised by the four we wanted something great for the 4s I think you know I think Nicole got us now go ahead dillish the singularity about the galaxy s4 got us we were talking about the event then the phone came with its angry hand and yeah right that's backward yeah that's what I was going back to I was going to say I think the biggest thing that I bet just I think the biggest thing that just killed it for me was knowing what it was before hand because yeah the iphone 4 we knew absolutely nothing about the iphone 4s going into it and we thought it's gonna be the iphone 5 this is gonna be awesome and then we were just how they go it's the 4s okay I guess that's cool and then then last year we had no clue what the galaxy s3 was no clue we knew some specs we have no one's what it's going to look like yes we go into it and we're like wow that's amazing and then this year we're like oh it's kind of the same thing yeah so so that's the biggest letdown is that you know if you could keep it a secret it might be a little bored impressive but the fact that we knew every last detail about that phone every last detail the features everything before it was announced kind of killed it and that's then you get into that whole discussion about like well our is anybody doing a real real service by like reporting on these leaks and all that kind of stuff and then there's a whole philosophical discussion and that of course we are and of course we all right yeah yeah I don't mean I don't mean leaks I don't mean like breaking leaks I mean like reporting on other people's stuff and reporting on speculation and all that stuff and of course that's the business but yeah whatever if there's something more more impressive than you really have it unlocked down as a company I feel and I just you know they didn't really have any reason to for this and whatever it's going to sell very well the event generated a whole lot of discussion there's a whole nother sub conversation going on about the event about the kind of misogynistic caricatures of women that was legitness yeah you know I don't want I don't want to get into that too because we'll be here all night and I'll fall asleep because like that's they're not because I'm not interested in that kind of stuff but there's just so many levels it's so incredible my HP TouchPad won't shut up i'm sorry but i know i mean there's a really there's some really cool discussion about what a good event is and what constitutes a good a good event and whatever that debate will continue I think Samsung is to be commend for for throwing a lot of resources into into an event I just don't it definitely wasn't the event for me so uh it's anybody else it like when somebody google talk to you all the time like like repeatedly is that sound just the most infuriating thing in the world I thought I thought I was alone in that oh I don't know what sound you know a lot of different sound cuz we'll talk like blue key you know that I hey it's all those alone on the browser I hate gasps I can't do I cannot do it like it's just hate that doesn't matter who it is it's just like I hate this out now I love the sound on Android the the Google Talk sound on Android I do love that one mmm i got i replaced on my notification sounds with Star Trek doorbells so uh let's uh let's move on because we are I kind of wanted to be in listener mail by now so I just want to touch on these last two things in and remit here um I don't anymore actually I don't want to talk about Sony anymore because now we we talked about Sony a lot now yeah I don't think it's worth it my xperia ZL review will be in shortly and I think I'll just go through it anyways good i'm there there's just so much beauty and disappointment as well and when it comes to the motorola codenames uncovered i think the only cool thing about that news is the fact that apparently we will be getting remember the the HTC phones on a cart editorial Michael totally yeah build your own phone well apparently you know Guy Kawasaki was an apple evangelist back in the old Mac days hey man I have a sake back in samsung event of last year cool he's hot well he's hired by google to bring some mojo back into motorola you know the guy wrote this book about enchantment you know he did a really good job in making the mac something that people want to buy back in the time when nobody wanted a computer um but so the idea is that this guy is trying to rebuild the the concept of motorola and apparently what he's trying to do is make phones personalizable which i think it's genius i mean just they'll bring out three different phone types and then you select what processor you want what color you want what type of the splay you want I think it's genius those are them well those are the rumors and the guy just set it on google+ yesterday that you know wouldn't it be cool to have a phone that's personalizable that was on his Google+ yesterday yeah that's a concept that's been tried before if I'm now actually Michael wrote about it a couple a couple of months ago I won't had this conversation on the podcast before to it but I'm talking about maybe about two and a half years ago someone tried this some company and then they just kind of nose dived before they ever got off the ground but yeah the idea is genius it's always awesome we currently do it with computers in is to a certain extent but how how will they keep up with the the constant innovation that's the problem is you sell some on this phone it's gonna have to come at a premium price if you're ordering it you know to your own spec so you you what are you gonna pay 800 900 dollars for this phone and we all right we already pay we already pay that for an iphone 5 with 64 gigs of storage anyways 900 one of my bait I paid for that I paid my mom my mom and her husband do so sing it but you you you know you're burning me out like that Samsung commercial where the guy's parents are sitting on the line for the iphone and they're like oh we saved your seat and he's like oh I moved on top rated and oh don't bring up Samsung her mercilessly either like on a slow podcast week I was gonna throw that in there I wanted to write a whole editorial about how Samsung's commercial search is the worst but it but they're the worst but but I like them and you know bottom line is if Motorola is able to pull this off um I don't think that Motorola has the the brand power anymore to actually make it den but I would love for them to start something with other companies google has the brand power to make yet and then they're gonna give over roll up will eventually become synonymous with Google well I think that in google hills if google kills the motorola brand and just uses this as their smart phone company i will they kill I if this is the google phone the google g1 or the google g2 or whatever that would be awesome because i don't think Motorola's got the brand power anymore all right but here's the thing like coming from an American perspective like I think it kind of depends on where the national discussion goes here because motorola as i've said before on the show is a is one of the bastions of like American technological mm-hmm worth agree we get so many of our handsets from overseas like it's the only you know national company of course Google is a much more powerful brand but but I think motorola you know it's been around since the 30s yes so it has that that the cachet with them at least with with older folks certainly and with with people like like me who've used to work with them closely so I don't know I think that they will keep the motorola brand around at least for another few years and i don't know what looking down the road we'll see what they do yeah I kind of take that back and I wouldn't like to see motorola died but i would love to see branding nearly neither like google branded phones yeah and they neither would I I mean I own like 10 Motorola phones before i move to a smartphone and i love those things and I just feel that Motorola either well I think they're doing a good job they hired Guy Kawasaki I mean he's a marketing guy I feel that he could probably pull some stunts that her are necessary for motorola to win back its limelight yeah let's so if i can okay go ahead yeah let's not let's talk about let's talk about iOS Before we jump in a listener mail because I don't want to skip listener mail again because I'm good ones do we have to yeah so this iOS update that was supposed to fix this bug doesn't write as no no it was just it was just sent out there to kill the jailbreak please listeners viewers do not update iOS 6.1 point 3 it is not worth it and if it kills your possibilities to get a jailbreak it has already been uncovered that it does not fix the lock screen bypass which you know I think it's just terrible so just don't upgrade it's not worth it boom boom topic taken care of and finally much more interesting to me and this closes out our primary topics google now more likely than not coming to iOS i don't know that i don't know if that's a good thing yeah and the reason and the reason why is just imagine yourself having to search for the application in order to be able to launch the service because an iOS everything is on apps you can't just do it it like on android where you just pull it out from a gesture trum you can't if you jailbreak what you were just talking about yeah in stock implementation though you're right you'd have to search the app and that's a that's a pain you know we don't know what iOS is going to do going forward we don't know what kind of changes they're going to make to their to the platform and also even if it is confined to a nap i think google now is so compelling and it's so critical to Google's future that if it's not on iOS and that's a real big problem for them going forward so yeah yeah I had the thought a while back thinking you know they've got google search on here why can't I just have google now on my iPhone or my iPad so that that's something I'm really looking forward to google now I use it every single day for all sorts of things i buy from amazon several times a week sometimes and yeah just cheating that that package shipment notification and Google now between the package shipping notifications and my like a flower confirmations yes yes yeah it's just crazy without even asking for it on you know I think they're onto some real magic there I think that's the real future of that company great or a very big part of it that was a little you know so i get i get my nevada saloon updates on on google now so i love that nice did you get your jersey oh thank you yes thank you very much i picked up a personalized barcelona FC barcelona jersey for 4 i'm a pert his request when we're at at mwc let's uh let's jump in a listener mail so we got some good stuff and then we got to get going because we've all got work to do as usual this first one comes from our friend king who who greets us by saying hello michael brandon joe Tony Taylor or whoever's on the next podcast apparently not Jaime so how may you just tell I love this what do you think what do you guys think about water or dust proofing he asks I love this question because I'm playing with the Kyocera torque right now I'm in the middle of the review period for it so waterproofing has been high on my mind King says the extra resilience comes with a price worse screen due to the coating flaps everywhere but what if there were port screen technologies that made them waterproof straight from the production line no protectors no coats no annoying flaps I'm personally surprised there aren't any yet or maybe Taylor knows of something not the rest of us just Taylor the King how also how much more would you guys pay think HTC one with waterproof plus dustproof so and he says the Xperia Z inspired us to inspire them to ask us it's dudes I want to just talk to this both at CES and at mwc we saw companies like Liquipel and the other company whose name I cannot remember I can never remember the other company who do exactly this they don't rely on flaps or gaskets or things like that they just apply like an atom thick you know nano coating to the edge of the boards of the phone and that way if the phone falls and it gets immersed in water it's not hurt it floods the casing floods but the phone doesn't care because all the electronics are insulated so this technology is out there and those companies are working with carriers or manufacturers to to build it into the phones at the production level and Liquipel will add it for you after the fact to go ahead tell her um I was trying to look it up I've got it right here it'll take me a second yeah the other company yeah the other company is I can't find it Nana water repellent hco hco HZ oh yes with water block yeah um that was CES last year that they announced their products oh yeah and they were there again I guess in p2 I as well I think they're a bit confirms out there that are doing this and there was one way back in the day back when blackberries were still a thing uh um called it was gold something I can't remember go on medicated powder yes it's gold one okay good it was like it's like gold dust or something I can't remember but it was basically just a nano coating technology that you would put on the internals of the phone and it protects it from everything so yeah so this stuff is out there and I think we're gonna see this you know become increasingly prevalent as as phones like the Xperia Z come out and draw people's attention to the fact that note you don't need it you don't need a kyocera torque to have a water-resistant phone it can be Gandil beautiful you don't have to have flaps over every port yeah that's what kills it for me I don't care about it because I don't want to have to open a port every single time I my phone in which is why which is why wireless charging wireless charging yeah why would Sony do that why oh I don't know I I feel that at this day and age why aren't every single phone waterproof I mean they should be they should be I mean it's just / that's where we're going i mean i think that's that is the future I really do and I think it's gonna be through methods like this instead of methods like the old-school you know a gadget type thing so yeah that's the only reason why I wanted that H atrix HD remember Michael it was because of the nano coating oh the atrix HD yeah oh yeah you're this phone is waterproof just put it in the ziplock bag first like that that's that's what we're dealing with right now happy exactly fireproof just keep it out of open friend let's uh continue to deter listener this is Gregory the instructions you're gonna be all right Jaime and we killed hi max this is we have another another repeat listener mail for this is from neo from china i love i love this hello my name is in chinese so you can just call me neo i love it i love when people know that i can't pronounce anything O'Neill should take the blue pill yeah what if i told you neyo says I've been listening to your podcast episode 15 thank you neyo I would appreciate it and he wants to share some stuff and I wanted to read this on this episode I was going to hold it for Tony but it Anton was not here but he should be for this but neo says he just wants to share about tablet telephony inside his country he says I'm from Singapore and apparently in my telco they actually sell tablets as phones with a fixed contract the price has don't have much of a difference to a normal phone and so we'd like to ask about telephone capabilities on tablets and apparently then I neos telephone company released the Galaxy Note 10 dot one with the phone feature in place which I didn't know existed I'm okay with that as long as you use it with a headset yeah the question is what tablet size would be acceptable to have a dedicated earpiece and telephone I mean you know and that was fun acceptable none yeah not a moment but for me absolutely none i would never carry a tablet as a phone but but but Tony would Tony's obsessed with the idea you know I think that it was right the company that it right was a sous with the PadFone you get a big tablet and then you get a stylus that you can that works exactly yeah it's really I listen to the talk on your 10 get out of here no I like Heather than reading a 10 inch tablet up your heads it is it better or is it just another flavor of awful another flavor of all whoa just think about it it's like using a Bluetooth headset I mean I feel that as long as they figure out a way to give you an earpiece that's not the tablet that makes sense except you look like a moron holding a pin up your head like a moron either way talking into a pin think about this for a second you're talking me into a pin get smart from the sixties or so you look I got it like James Bond implement but here's the thing right like we all look stupid at some points and most of us don't care and that's what a lot of these comments that I actually love those comments or it's like guys I don't care how stupid do you think I look I like using this product away I like using it and so you know f off and Michael look like crazy staring at his wrist for three hours trying like one email exactly I look like a moron checking my watch literally every two seconds when like I'm in a Twitter blast and people are like dude you have enough time yeah I'm making fun of you because my pebble has or hasn't come in yet I know yeah well the thing is like you know it doesn't matter you everyone needs to get the products that would that work for them and so Sonia I mean man if go for it just whatever it is but he's got a second question I go ahead if that 14 inch Windows 8 tablet works for you as a phone if you want to hold that up to your head by all means absolutely um I'll hope my macbook pro up to my head for a call so India neo has a galaxy tab 7 plus and he's you know I'm just kind of asking generally should OEMs make a push towards creating a an interface for one-handed usage in 7-inch tablets see that's where I think I would draw the line I would say no if if you want to use a product in a manner like that like yeah first of all it's really really difficult unless you have massive hands but also like more importantly I don't think OEM should should strive to Japan der to a very small subset like if if there's an issue factor out there that just wants to make like seven inch smart phones then you know go for it more power to them but i don't but i don't samsung example wasting resources I'm trying to do one handed operation on something like that well that's why I don't think it's I don't think it's possible I mean I don't think you can rest at a 7-inch tablet on your palm in order for your thumb to be able to operate the tablet right hands are clearly too small yeah but that's nothing like that pipe that pilots that drag on from the side lawn chair or whatever that's one thing I'm kind of confused about from Tony he said I can't wait to get off the galaxy note 2 because I want to be able to use a phone with one hand again and Jesus in the same like the same conversation he's talking about how he wants an eighth inch phone sorry Tony I gotta call you out but but I mean I use my note 2 with one hand um I get all the time I get comments all the time your hands are so big I've got really short stubby fingers but my hands are big um actually in the video i made yesterday i had probably 20 to 30 comments is that the galaxy s4 if my hands are big enough to make the note to look like the galaxy s4 ah I just I don't even know what to say to I can touch all four corners of this xperia ZL with a 5-inch display but it's all sad nope that's also yeah but you know you still need free cans like mine to be able to Zulia all right I'm uh I think this is like four episodes in a row where we've talked about phone sighs tablets we're not doing this again until there's a new product to talk about can I just will anybody objective hi say that it'll be like my ways talking about yeah I know there will ya exactly now this week there'll be another know until another one comes out I don't want to talk about big big tablet phone small tablets Bigfoot whatever let's go let's move on to the next one first of all but I do want it before we move on say thank you very much neo again for ready n and Dory I'm so tongue-in-cheek oh yeah no good luck we don't know and you keep picking with what works well for you man um because that's all we can do our friend alex song says hey guys have you watched technobuffalo HTC One videos no moving on I'm only kidding of course we love jon rettinger John and John is a good friend jon's again John's a good guy John's a great guy so he says I'm getting confused now I had research in many sites to check whether the ultrapixel camera is good or bad with 4 megapixels it can't be that but now we did talk about this earlier on the on the show but I want to I wanted to bring it up toward the end we're going to close out with with this one I hope you can give me some thoughts in the pocket now weekly to share with with others it's it's he says the results that alex is seeing are looking good but not great less noise and the quality is not as bad as as Tony said I guess in the last episode 2 which another listener John Blake writes in and asks do you think the HTC One is just the beta version of HTC cameras and as time progresses will they up the megapixels to industry standards with the same technology or will they stick with your megapixels right so these are awesome questions John Blake and Alex on both of you thank you for writing in and you know we talked about it a lot earlier in the show I think we already answered Alex your question primarily you know I think camera quality is in the eye of the beholder we all three of us on the air today have very different opinions on it everyone on the team has very different opinions on it and that's going to carry through to consumers as well for some people it's going to be more than enough for some people it's going to be they'll be able to deal with it and for some people that's going to be absolutely unacceptable I think the more interesting question is what worked well for you and the question that that closes us out a little better as John's which is do we think HTC is going to advance this ultra pixel technology I know nothing about it i will answer first very briefly yes I do I think they're going to find a way to do this and maintain their quote unquote ultrapixel branding even if they have to cheat like Nokia did with peer review and I think that they're gonna advance and yeah go ahead yeah I think the next one will probably this is just a total guess on my part but I think the next one will probably have a sensor the size of a 16mm mega pixel sensor I just I can't talk so it'll have the sensor the size of the 16 megapixel sensor that was in the Titan if that sensor was any larger than in a megapixel sensor they could have just the pixel size for that I don't know the specifics on it but let's say you just hate Titan jizzum yeah the Titan to I'm sorry yeah so so take an 8 megapixel sensor and double the size and then they put 8 megapixels in there that's what I think they'll probably do maybe that would be nice be decent I think John put it in the best way you know do you think this is a beta of what HTC is gonna do in the future yeah agreed that's the way i see it i feel i feel that it's bold it's a very cuddles move you know i just wish i could swap that camera once they come out with the HTC one to which sadly that you know that's like what it's upsetting me the most about HTC they had the one last year and they were like oh we're not gonna do so many phones now and then they got the one then they brought the one x+ and then they brought the DNA three phones in a year three flagship phones in a year well they were better than it was better than 2011 when they weren't flagship phones Oh dumping phones left and right agreed agreed but but you know I sensation late oh yeah I spoke incredible 17 sorry good yeah I think they should just focus on making the one their phone you know the marketing just one phone stop building so many phones just give me one really cool phone I think the one has the potential I just wish I could swap the camera eventually and you think that the camera will do you think that they will it improve on the camera significantly in the next iteration right they have to they have to yeah maybe we'll I am will make an attachment for the HTC One maybe I'll bring it up everything ring Amon as their creative their director of creative relations yeah well I am I love your music Alicia Keys I am crazy about your music and other things uh but I hate the fact that you're selling yourself off to these companies guys I think we were gonna wrap it up to eight we have closing thoughts first of all readers thank you so much for writing in and we're happy to be able to get your letters on the air so thank you again Taylor any closing thoughts before we head out um I don't have the galaxy s4 so stop asking well well said well said all right uh my closing thoughts are regardless of which phone you pick i think 2013 is a good year when it comes to technology um there are some phones that are good some phones that are great but it's not like in previous years where the difference was very big right now the difference between one phone and the other is actually quite small so as I think that whichever phone you pick will will be whatever suits your needs best and the great thing is you can always just return them in your country in the United States and just get another one that's the cool thing about the United States over not other countries just you know play it safe try it out in our cases again as Michael said beauty's in the eye of the beholder and each of us has a different opinion so so far my money is on the s4 unless Michael can obviously change that with a HTC one for me as well well I will do what I can as the as apparently phone Santa uh-huh alright so also I have to ask am I still fired because people are freaking out on Twitter they're going crazy you think I'm really done so you need to start using Instagram Taylor I was just going to say Taylor if I see an Instagram user name from you before the end of the day I will retract my entirely illegal and unsupported firing you which is one hundred percent fictitious the it's c85 p ER that's my Instagram handle so you're on Instagram your hating and usually hating it from within all right we're gonna talk we're gonna talk off here I haven't posted since I said I was gonna quit on phoneDog several months ago so Wow alright well everyone go find Taylor there don't worry about my Instagram handle that's pretty easy to determine but don't ask me about phones on Instagram I just don't have the time to answer and that's a place for my pictures hi made you want to show your Instagram to handle just to be fun yeah hi I'm every bit I just know underscores nothing just high middle of it what is that about six hours in the middle there yeah I think that's the adequate count oh yay who's signing me up for the are rolling um winning okay did the class right yeah the clinic yeah after I get my haircut and manicure right the from pocket now sub level seven of the pocket now subterranean complex yes sub level we'll talk about it little yeah we'll discuss it for now though that is gonna do it put a little for this episode yes of the pocket now weekly I like you just knock it in I like it I like it every time just do fun if you don't find as an Instagram do find us on Twitter hi maim is at high may underscore Rivera Taylor is at casper tech and as always you can find me at captain two phones you can also follow pocket now officially at our new handle pocket now on twitter as pocket now on facebook and google+ leave us a review on iTunes or xbox music and if you have a topic question or suggestion to the podcast email us podcast at pocketnow.com thanks for listening everyone will see you next week Dunkin Donuts is not the worst coffee on the planet hold on it tastes like coffee maker coffee what's the matter with coffee maker coffee I make your coffee in my coffee maker is your coffee too good for my coffee maker um yeah you got a point there