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at the top of the mobile food chain HTC and Samsung battle for king of the millions well down at the bottom a new boat sails into smartphone stream we'll talk about that and we'll talk about waterproof galaxies and more nokia eos rumors today and a whole lot more on episode 04 five of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss smartphones tablets in the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by senior editor Taylor Martin good morning to you would oh and for the first time in the history of the weekly we're joined by a non pocket now team member from Android beat and gadget and a ton of other outlets I cannot remember right now please welcome to the show stefan constantinescu good morning sir good morning gentlemen good morning to you to have you on the air we have been twitter friends for a long time haven't away we have we have then it's because I'm snarky and your snarky er which I don't know I think that you you may win the award for snarky astern that we have to put it to the readers I do enjoy when uh when followers of both of us kind of chime in on our interactions which is fun but we I was trying to like remember this so listeners the way we the way we kind of thought to do this is that as you may be aware we've kicked off the pocket now VIP which is a video series we borbet I've episode 2 of that with a guest I'm not sure if I'm allowed to announce him so I'm not going to but we kicked it off with jon rettinger we're gonna have somebody else very soon but we thought why let the video broadcasts have all the fun so we've we've actually planned on guests on the weekly for a long time just turns out the time was right for Stefan to join us so I was just I was curious those time on what can you tell us a little bit about your story so we know where you're where you're coming from how did you how did you get into mobile and how long ago was that Wow um so I don't know if you guys remember Helio the oh yes our ombre Helio the premium carrier that offered like it was an mvno that offered really fancy phones yes I used to work for them it wasn't anything yes I did it wasn't anything super fancy I will that guy in the shopping mall like a friend a friend check the Samsung out check it out check it out good right come charging out check out this ocean it's called the ocean that's cool right yes exactly um and then while I was working there I came time to purchase a brand new handset and i was looking at all the phones out in the states and they were all let's be frank all the bones out in 2006 were quite bad um I don't know man that razr maxx was pretty awesome the first 10 so so I started researching online and then it's like wow look at all these phones in Europe they have these really cool symbian things with large screens and Wi-Fi and whatever so I bought a nokia e61 and he's 61 yes it's a hard side sliding ones which one was oh no was that like they know the the blackberry asked one it was like the size of a loaf of bread it was a question not a slice I love like a loaf and I got that thing and I had zero clue how to use it so I did what all the cool kids were doing in 2006 I'm like I'm gonna start a website writing about this so I can learn and I did and a website called into into mobile found it and they were like a we like what you did we like what you do would would you like to write for us full time and I was like oh man should I keep on selling cell phones in a mall or should I write for a website on the Internet of course I said yeah and after got my after I got my first paycheck which was june two thousand seven one month after that I got a one-way ticket to helsinki finland and just was like all right I'm gonna try to end up working for nokia and I did that's I yeah yeah yeahs gameplay okay it would did the one-way ticket to tell stinky was that prompted by and an appointment at with nokia or was that just something where you were like I'm gonna go and then I'm gonna get her job yeah so after I started writing about the e61 and then all the other things the company was planning I was invited to junk it and they flew they sent me out to sea ES all the shows enough all that stuff yeah and I was like this is pretty cool lifestyle um these are people i want to work with because they're cool guys and I was like are you hiring in the States and they're like Saudi America is not nice country that verbatim that's a verbatim nokia quote no it's not roughly um so all all the action was in Europe so I moved to Europe Wow yeah I was there for I worked there between March 2008 to was it april may 2009 then the European economy went to complete hell I got out and then my old friends from into bubble cold and they're like hey we see you're out of a job would you like one again I'm like yeah okay I like tekkit would ya I like having an apartment and after that you and since then you've been a completely on the journalistic side you have not since then taken a job at another OEM you've been at several press outlets right yes I've been at several press outlets and I did some freelancing work for two analyst firms so Wow yeah you've been all over the place that's its Austin I it's interesting to me that you were at nokia before the stephen elop kind of transformation happened but in all your your travel since 2009 since leaving okay you all of that has resulted in you returning to to finland to helsinki which is where you are right now yeah this is why this is one of the principal reasons that we wanted to bring you aboard as our first guest because we were it was recently yola love day something I'm the mom maybe the most title for a mobile event ever but we could not attend we wanted to you know we were mostly here in the states except for aunt honors in Romania and Jaime who's in Honduras so we just couldn't Brooke the the travel to Helsinki for this event so we decided to cover it remotely but you were there Stefan as you come here person right yes I did I want to hear that story I really want to hear that was what that was like because you know we're big if you're not aware we are big fans of viola at pocket now outside of a reporting standpoint where we remain balanced dinner you take off the you take off the press man's hat you hang up your pencil and it's like man I hope those guys do well because I like their the what what they're going so far what brawl famines boys no oh that's right that's right we're in a fanboy but before you get into this fun I just want to say it's kind of crazy how similar our journalistic paths started I guess I mean I never just diverted and went and worked for an oem but I was working at a best buy mobile and selling cell phones at a store and I was asked to write for phoneDog so it was uh I didn't really yeah yeah I didn't really create my own site but i would post like little reviews and things online so yeah it's kind of crazy I like it Taylor is Taylor has a as a nickname on the weekly he is the Segway Smasher however I'm glad you did it in that instance because I actually that is something I meant to point out all three of us on the air right now are all veterans of the of the smartphone retail space who now write about smartphones I think that's pretty cool I dig that I job at work tellement next I'll here in the in the united states I want to visit Helsinki someday but so speaking of which let's talk about yola love day Stefan give us give us the story what what was it like let's see I don't know how to tell this story to you without making you cry um so first of all it wasn't an event per se it was um we we each had half our with the CEO and a software guy and he was were he was running us through the operating system and the device and then in the evening the yola love day that was some sort of party which I skipped out on because I don't know open source 40 year olds all guys in hotel party it's not my scene you after not too much it so much more like you love night then yeah so choice words um the phone itself it looks really sexy on the website right yeah definitely I think Taylor wrote a whole piece on on its its relative sexiness yeah in real life don't do this to me feel so bad oh no way what would like in what way materials uh-uh we weren't allowed to touch the phone but we sort of did but we were sort of not allowed to I don't know how to explain that without trying to set off any alarms um sure they're surrounding your place right now yeah the bezels on the side of the screen are ridiculous like huge same thing on the top and the bottom and the screen itself has zero viewing angles none whatsoever and then as for the software I'll be honest with you I was at their last events which was in the fall of 2012 yeah and um it hasn't changed it's literally the same software and I want to be impressed I really do because it's a Finnish company and I've been living here for six years and I want to support them at all and they're all X engineers but it's like if you're going to spend 400 euros on a smartphone and that's what they're selling this for 400 euros you can buy a samsung galaxy s3 for the same price yeah that's pretty that's a pretty substantial price tag it is yeah so if you're going to spend that you your argument that you want a a product that is more finished that is that is more polished that is what man 40 g status yeah right yeah that's the thing you're painted to get in on that first let that 2007 iphone right yeah i mean i'm a guy who if i purchase something it's a tool and it has to work perfectly I don't want to trouble shoot it I don't want to open up any online forums and ask people for tips and tricks and stuff like that I just want to open the box pop in the sim card and I'm working now the yola phone is the complete antithesis of that Aunt its antithesis not antithesis Jesus sorry I say I say antithesis so it's okay I say a lot of words really strange and I get help for it so you're you're allowed view welcome to the podcast where we talk weird no that's all right yeah so that's interesting to me I you know I to the saw the software in person that uh what mwc and I Taylor I think you did too right I was not there I know you weren't there boots OMG i'm sorry i wasn't gonna see yes I'm okay I did not see him at CES okay uh well in any know if they were there not only I don't think so I've seen the thing in a person as well I you know this the fact that the software hasn't changed much actually doesn't bother me too much because when I thought it was pretty polished I mean you know there was not there was not a lot wrong with it I didn't feel like there was a whole lot missing from it it looked damn near final running on that Nokia and not n 76 and 950 950 yeah yeah so I didn't have it running on the meego phone yeah in nine not at not a name WC that in oh yeah so I don't know I mean I it's the software excited me i was i was excited to see the hardware and that's what I was waiting for two from this from this reveal and I ok so it's good to hear a first person's perspective on maybe these large bezels and this kind of thing what about the material Stefan because that's that's the one thing that dumb I know you said you weren't allowed to touch it I don't know if you can not talk about it or whatever but I don't know what to make of this and I know a lot of this hardware isn't final but it doesn't it doesn't feel good it doesn't look like it feels good I'm gonna talk about the other half in a second but just the feel I have one word mmm hallway oh that is that's an effective word to use that is the effect of word but the what was it um the ascend p1 yeah that one wasn't bad it was really lightweight it was fair to that lasted yeah it it wasn't bad it wasn't bad I saw the reviews that one was it p 1 or was it like a sin mate or something I'm gonna say like Huawei geeth 300 or something just thrown out already they have to have something out there na the name g300 right or is that actually a phone cuz I don't know it actually is yeah huawei ascend g300 oh the aam yeah but um honestly here we gooo glee I I would be so much more excited about this phone if it was 200 euros because that's what it looks like it looks like a 200 euro smartphone and they're charging 400 for it hmm so I'm gonna say is this phone the g300 looks like a nexus one so I can't hate it yet you have to touch it don't get back exactly right the tactile discussion so alright alright so we've we've got a materials kind of perspective here now what do we think about this other half I think this is probably the biggest piece of innovation on the hardware I want to say that I'm eager to give yola kind of a break on the hardware not just because I like them and as you say Stefan you you also are would like them to succeed and you like them and so on but the thing is that they're not quoting any concrete specs at all because I think they're still source and those two working out all those supplier agreements and all that stuff so we don't know who's making their screen we don't know who's making their camera and I don't think they know some of the stuff yet so it is entirely possible that when these things hit production will will see some changes go ahead that's a good thing though not because you look at oh you know it is not trust me I asked them up the was do everything about the processor the screen ology all that stuff yeah and all the answers I got back where the three words I hate to hear the most out of anyone's face hardware doesn't matter okay yeah that's like that's a half truth but the reason I say that it's a good thing that they don't have those specifications yet and this is probably looking at it from the wrong perspective but look at Yoda phone they release are they announced a phone how many months before it's going to be available with specifications from that time not when it's going to come out when the yotaphone actually comes out it's going to be sporting a year and a half old specs so but I mean that would have happened you know people would have been disappointed in that regardless of whether they announced it at the unveiling or not right equality they're still gonna get a lot of press I mean I still want to see the thing yeah but I'm saying this company might they they might if they're if they have an ounce of marketing and and I don't know prowess I guess I'll just say I think prowess savvy anything they will wait and update the specifications as close to the launch as possible yeah cuz what are they saying they're saying quad-core right no oh what is dual core yep ah yes with an unknown frequency unknown Ram unknown screen resolution we know it's a 4.5 inch screen that's all we know that's over ingles yeah oh god I do wonder if that you know did they say anything about these demo units did they say anything about like yeah this is not the final screen I'm sure they said this isn't final hardware right they said that of course which they kind of have to and everybody yeah right of course that's the usual thing I probably they probably got that display from Sony it's possible Sony makes such horrible histories but happy thought like no u-turn be real degrees from the center line and it's like oh it's gray why is good right now hey you just you just slightly tilt it away from you and the whole screen just disappears you're like what yeah what happened hit the power button and then it turns off your like what no what happened now as I recall that didn't happen on the tablet Z which is interesting I wonder where that panel came from but we will know we'll know more about that very soon actually so let's let's keep it on the on the yellow phone for a second I sailfish OS powered the older phone for a second I want to talk about the other half did they did you see it removed and then replaced Stefan no I did not and I asked about that specifically I said hey can you please remove the back of the of the phone I want to see the battery I want to see where the same card goes etc blah blah blah and they were like that's not happening no and I was extremely puzzled by that I'm like a like why what I want to know is the whole point to it or one of the main points that they said was the theme of the phone changes to the color of the back that you put on it right so if you put on an orange back you have an orange display in you I you put on this this turquoise color and everything turns turquoise yeah that's ambulance and one other yeah and in one of their press shots I didn't realize that it's one I used in the article 1 of the press shots it's got an orange back and like a navy blue you I yes yeah well you can change it out like you don't I mean I'm sure you can okay wouldn't they want to show off that it kind of corresponds to the color well they do that in the turquoise one you know I feel like I feel like with the that's just a press decision you know like they've got this photo up it's like all right orange on one side blue and the other this looks good this is this will be more eye-catching you know maybe yeah maybe but I want to say that they're not the first to come up with the idea in the editorial I wrote um I touched on an article I wrote about Microsoft I think last year maybe 2011 I can't remember but Microsoft filed for a patent it was at the beginning last year they filed for a patent on a dual module phone and what it was is the body of the phone was kind of like a side slider so instead of it having a physical Courtney when you slide it out it has interchangeable modules that you could plug in one could be an extended battery or orage one was a game controller one was a media thing so you can like play your movies on the screen of the store on the phone display and then scroll through your content on this this media plugin hmm so they had this I can drop your link if you want to see it so it's so that's interesting so all right they filed a patent for it but they did they never did anything with it i think they didn't well they don't they don't have a patent for it yet but I think they I think that was one of the patents that they filed for so no one nice could use this that is tingly because we've seen this this concept come up before I mean it's been probably it's probably like an eight year legacy by now if companies coming to come out of the woodwork me like hey guys what if what if you had a phone that half of it was customizable and you can just slap on a customizable back for whatever you wanted to do like but I I think yola is the first correct me if I'm wrong please somebody jump in and correct me if I'm wrong I think you'll is the first people to actually kind of follow through with this in a and what could become a big way right if the phone ships then yeah they will be yeah now it'll probably now it'll ship with a default back certainly they're not going to ship the thing backless I mean that would be ridiculous so it'll probably ship with the standard back with a standard battery but I remember asking marc dylan the head of software about about the stuff on our interview and he was like i asked him about what everyone on twitter was asking about was like asking if they're gonna do a qwerty keyboard back and all his only response was that he's he's smiling from ear to ear and i was i okay all right well that's you know i understand you can't share the deets so I will look forward to seeing that I don't know I what else could they do with this extended battery stuff what else what my imagination is failing me well one of the descriptions on the site was a back for work so you've got all your your enterprise applications and logins and everything and one back and then you go home and you pop one on and then you've got one for your personal stuff so that the software I've learned that the software differentiation between two phones like you switch to a work mode when you get to work it's not necessarily effective I guess because it's like me I work from home I would much rather work from an office because I don't get that set operation its light does that make sense like I don't get a physical separation so I always feel like I'm I'm on the clock sure I know absolutely i get that that's a whole different conversation i mean we all try think all three of us worked from home I mean Stefan when you work for outlets you work from home yeah of course yeah yeah so I agree and that's all that's a huge conversation that I don't people have written books on that but but so and yeah there are some companies like blackberry 10 the platform offers that I figure out what it's called with that firewall between work and personal and Samsung has a rock knock knocks yep yeah and so with this is cool and to solve that problem through software is actually quite elegant and it does obviate the need to do this fancy hardware stuff that is by all measures more difficult right but if it would be good isn't this your way what it just by two phones oh well ya know it's true but isn't that like a lamer way to like I just get so I think it is because I get so geeky about like all right I got my transformer phone here and it's the same phone but check it out and then it's like I do some crazy stuff was like slap look it's my work phone and then I take something off put something else on it's like now so a personal phone i'm going to the club you know i don't know maybe it's because I'm 14 and I like movable parts and things like that but I just like the concept maybe did you get the link i dropped i did so this is a cool pattern um it's we're not gonna link to it in the in the post unfortunately because it's it's it's from from phoneDog and we have this external linking thing but this is really cool we can maybe maybe I can drop the image in here but this is yeah give you i can give you the link to the the filing you should do another editorial at pocket now about this now this is really cool i I'm really so the tailored already said it before but this is this Microsoft side sliding side sliding big ol Windows Phone landscape slider with modules you can just drop into the lower section so yeah it goes the other part where he had to basically just two displays was also part of that patent i believe it was part of another one they filed now we've seen those two did that two displays thing try to work with what was the carrier here in the states i'm not sure if it made it or to start in overseas no I'm sorry it's a specific device it's a side sliding dumbphone a landscape slider Oh with a display right in the middle of the bottom slider and the keyboard flanking the display do you guys remember that there's any TNT I think yeah I think you're right and for what it was called p and t it was split something lands get working was it an LG phone I think it was probably it was either LG or Samsung right pantech or pantech it might have been pantech let's see but gentlemen let's be serious a patent is like a it's like a wet dream it's nice when you have it but you can't really double anything with it then we're right stuff on its LG double play LG double play ok og double play look it up everyone for a fun for a fun trip back down memory lane that was only from like what two years ago something like it was a pile of garbage then it's a pile of grab yeah but see these are the things that get me excited like that Samsung um creative or captivate or whatever the hell we with a secondary oled display beneath the primary one I remember that yeah yeah like I like so this is what I like I like innovation alike cool ideas even if it is totally impractical I I give companies props who go out of their way to be like now we're going to do something different so I really like that night I hope that by the time the yellow phone comes to market it has a at least two or three alternative other halves because if it doesn't this whole thing is just why bother right I just have one question for you yeah have you pre-ordered it at all what they do love the phone yeah no but how will you not succeed but I'm not helping them well here's the thing like we did expect to get a review unit you know avi I refrain from pre-ordering most things I mean the pebble was an exception because it was an accessory right combadge might be an exception cuz I I might just want one but like I wouldn't do it with a phone just because I would expect to review it and then I guess that's the one that's the one sort of you entitled yeah I don't feel entitled now I feel entitled practical how I feel I feel for once in my life I feel practical but I'm getting old I know right oh god I have to go grocery shopping with this Monday not not out I am looking at the as the thing because there was one other thing I wanted to cover on yellow so um Stefan I feel like I know your opinion on this but I'm gonna ask you again and I also want to ask Taylor and whoever talks first wins no me first first we'll uh well novelty being booed a second do you think that if they get a solid screen in here if they get a if they make the hardware feel better do you think that the that it offers enough potential to keep you afloat until the yellow phone to the floor taking um yeah go ahead to it I was just gonna say that that's a lot of ifs that there are a lot of it's a lot more than just a display there if the software is ready if the display is better if the chipset can make the phone run smoothly all of that together if they bring it all together maybe it's a it's a very long shot very slim odds that they can but I imagine what will happen is if they don't patent this idea or if it doesn't infringe on Microsoft's dual module patent somebody will borrow the idea mm-hmm that's the unfortunate truth that's interesting then I do wonder how aggressively Microsoft will if that patent actually went through i wonder if well you know whatever there's always legal battles right i do want to make a point before stefan responds i want to say that this I saw this platform running on that Nokia and 950 and we've seen it just tons of times it runs very smoothly on what is that four year old hardware three year old hardware really old yeah I would have to say at least three yeah so if you can unnecessarily on that hardware than I don't think it's gonna have any trouble running on what even it whatever this dual core thing is there throwing at it so I I hey look it'll run smoothly they have one if out of the way awesome they do they do 50 more to go Stefan your thoughts well let's see when they first showed off the operating system sailfish they said that they would have something out by the end of the year and that was 2012 and then they said okay we're working on it ill be out by the spring and that didn't happen it's going to be June pretty soon and they said yes we will have a phone out by q4 that's the official word q4 and assuming it does come out in q4 that's the huge if assuming it does it doesn't run Android and it doesn't run iOS so nobody cares that is a a cynical but understandable viewpoint that I cannot in good conscience disagree with and also cause you're right like I argue with Taylor who says that it would be a shame if somebody stole their I all their concepts with the with the other half and the software I think once you insert an idea into the world you don't own it anymore like other genes it's sort of all about who creates the best implementation of it so it's unnecessary weight welcome yeah like I don't not shy away but I don't disagree with taking someone else's idea and building upon it because that is innovation that's how innovation works a lot of the time yeah it's not necessarily something that we are proud of but you just agree with you just disagree with taking the idea and and like implementing it and duplicating it just ripping it all you like LG does for samsung oh god is so bad it's white elva exists yeah I don't know you know it's fun about it was funny about this LG never really bothers to to to address it they just kind of sit in silence and like yeah we do it but so what yeah well in you if i'm not mistaken they don't really care yeah you're just kind of like yeah they copied us whatever we did it better yeah we're like they copied that guy and and now or I'm saying hey look at this look at this look at this like violating our new style guides it copied it um no that sounds confusing doesn't it yeah we ruin the podcast yeah um no but to what Stefan was saying why would anyone get behind a company when no one is really getting behind Microsoft right now you know nokia is behind them but they have just after two and a half years how long has Windows Phone been around I can't remember 2010 i think was only windows phone 7 dropped okay so almost three years now right because it was elected to nap filter nav is right yeah yeah so two and a half years and they just now combined with windows mobile if i'm not mistaken have just over three percent market share global smartphone market share and this is what you do with it benin a net and and blackberry has dwindled and dwindled down to around the same so these two big-name companies can't do it in the market i'm not saying a third party no name start-up can or can't I guess yeah I'm not saying they can't do it but what are the odds we need someone with clout to massive long shot see what it is yeah do you think they don't then in that case what do you think they're going to get bought or do you think that they are going to just outright fail because remember it's in its it's like an open source thing right it's there's a lot of community enthusiasm behind this that's one of their big pitches is that like yeah look we have we have a small but very very fierce community I mean that that ultimately didn't save that's that's what's trying to save the remnants of webos right now it's not really working because nobody's left well I shouldn't say that but not many people are left but do you feel like these guys have a little bit more of a head of steam behind them they could survive in that way i love i love that we've gone to the doom and gloom it's already I'm sorry well oh can I read an excerpt like a really small excerpt from the editorial I wrote only if you do it with with fiery passion fiery passion yeah yola is it perfectly good not not like the dog from the taco bell commercials all right anyway yola is a perfect example of a company yola is a perfect example of a company many of us are rooting for but we'd be naive to think or to take the road ahead of them as I'm just done I'm done I can't read translate it translate it for us what is your final point before we move on I cannot read oh that's a good one but we'd be naive to take the road ahead of the small company as anything other than an unbelievably steep mountain and simply rooting for a company doesn't make the climb any less difficult mmm that's that's a solid point I think we all agree it's gonna be a very very difficult row to hoe it's like a it's like as remember that remember that expression no I've never heard that in my life yeah I've heard a lot of really dreams hey Taylor you didn't grow up with enough country music to hear the expression road to hoe no I used to rotor rotor home I used to think it would certainly houses on helicopters do you steal that from like a John Wayne movie because he said a lot of sayings that no one ever said hopefully was stole it from a Reba McEntire song wow that's even worse that is worse than ripping off John Wayne really oh yeah no you're right your ebook really you live in super Carolina no Trisha Yearwood I'm sorry Trish you're one of those incorrect I've noted let's move back into mobile technology know we've we've got wet what Taylor Oh before we do jump I want to say something Taylor has an announcement that because we were getting to know Stefan at the head of the show we did not get to address this Taylor has a new toy it's not a piece of mobile technology you have a new toy yeah it's I'm actually podcasting from it right now no you're not because you've plugged in an ethernet cable it Taylor hasn't as an a-wing starfighter what is this car called Taylor you have a new automobile yes I got a scion fr-s but I've been calling it a sigh oh de no sigh Oh Beru yo guru you familiar with the Scion brand Stefan uh it was an off brand from Toyota or something was it yeah it's it's Toyota's like us hip brand yeah and all the way over here was like kind of perceived as like a grandma company yeah yeah so they launched scion to appeal to the younger demographics it's kind of a little bit pretty crazy yeah it's wild it's a wild-looking car what took what colors you get it in um hot lava it's like no I'm section about that now for one of its newest ford hot la i was i was driving it in the i was test driving in the guy who was sold me the car i called it orange while we were driving any smack me in the arm and he's like it's hot lava I mean I know the guy oh and no that's wrong at be drugged I drove an hour and a half out of the way to go buy a car from him when there's a dealership three miles down the road so hey that's loyalty there well congratulations man it's good that you have a car that you love Taylor's in love with this car I had to get had to give him some air time to if you did I love it and everybody keeps stopping me to ask about it and it's cool because I've never had a cool car before I mean I had a scion tc before this but it was just kind of everybody's got a TC I want you to write an editorial and this is not an assignment because I'm not doing that but I I wish that you would write an editorial drawing links between the similarities between buying a new car and buying a new smartphone because there are a lot so many papers to sign yeah that's one different contracts to sign and then there's but also there's that whole thing like people look at you and it's like oh what's that yeah look at that and then when you first see someone else with a hot lava sigh on the model number of the year your gut your hearts gonna be either broken or you're gonna wave at them i don't know i don't know you well enough yet yes i would always like gatos break when I do somebody with my new my new phone I'd like oh no I dis mine I have that assault three yesterday yesterday alone us all three other FR esas in hot lava not in hot lava that's why I go that's not been common color everyone gets like a red or a blue or white I'm glad that you know I got should I get Bernie yeah the speaking of hot lava and volcanoes and disasters and Taylor this is your cue to ruin my Segway this is henrik yeah we had the opportunity AT&T in the United States invites us to tour a relief exercise that they were conducting with their network disaster recovery team I thought you were segwaying into Star Trek in the beginning of the movie no that would be awesome though but spoiler alert their volcanoes in the new Star Trek so we went it was hartford connecticut was right down the road i went and i was shown around for about two hours the most elaborate set of equipment and mobile technology on the network side that I've ever seen in one place it was absolutely absurd I'm not going to talk a lot about it I just want to said there's a video on unpacking now covering this and it was stunning to me to see the resources that a national carrier like AT&T has to come into a place that's been ravaged like Oklahoma poor Oklahoma with his tornado you know disaster and and restore service and get people connected again and hearing some of the stories from the from the people working on the team were really amazing and I got to nerd out guys you know what a what a SAT colt is right or a cow cell on wheels yep yes they're different pieces of technology cycles and gals but they had one sack hold on site and the acronym i believe it's satellite cell site on light truck and i first read about the existence of these things like 10 years ago on howardforums or something like that i'm like wait a minute they can wheel up a a cell site on a truck oh yeah that's so that's how you know where the press event is like if you're in New York you look for the trucks oh yeah you look for the big verizon or AT&T trucks parked beside each other exactly right because they can wheel them into bring additional coverage into yrics cute additional capacity into an area or additional coverage to if the if the local site is down but just being able to walk around inside a satellite cult was was was awesome just knowing that this thing could wheel anywhere pop up a mast and in like two hours can provide a cell for you know however many people did you him coming along bazinga what did you feel the cancer running through your body now you walk through that lesson activity yes because the diesel generator was running so I got a nice nice snout full of diesel fumes but it's healthy sulfur yeah she keeps you ready to do things makes you feel like Superman build stuff that says something that was a fun tour I i encourage anyone in the press or VIPs if you are in a field that you know carrier wants to show off its disaster recovery operations anybody who has an opportunity to see this stuff should go and or if you happen to have the misfortune of being in a disaster area and you see a carrier branded vehicle odds are you can probably get some internet or some some self service from them to tell people you're okay so keep that in mind pretty cool to see the carrier's doing this that said should we start talking about Android gentleman and I'm gonna kill the Segway every time every single time I love to see how I want to see how you slaughter this yeah okay sure no yeah what whatever you cupcakes news or something what's up ya know what Cartman droid figuring out I got a hot love on my cell site okay so you said you were impressed that they could do will in a Cell site on a truck totally I think was about a year ago my grandpa handed me a newspaper and I saw nothing about this on the internet and I was going to write about it and I never did but there was a technology a guy who created the power of a cell site a a full-on cell site in a box about the size and shape of a Rubik's Cube it's called a small cell yeah but but it was just capable of serving hundreds maybe even thousands of people now through me yeah that's at least in the news article said and and granted the news articles and a newspaper and they don't necessarily always know how these things work but yeah wait what so I came I am I just totally small cells are low powered radio access nodes that operate in licensed and unlicensed spectrum that ever inch of 10 meters or one to two kilometers on Okia siemens and pat works liquid radio technology that's basically what you're talking about liquid liquid radio technology we're all we're doing this right now as somebody who has studied about cellular networks for quite a few years yeah liquid metal snaps the capacity and some other page loading uh so here's the things that we're at okay so sorry it used to be a cell site was this fully standalone operational thing where it had the servers at the cooling it had all the computer stuff plus the antenna plus the power amplifiers plus the power source all this garbage required to allow you to watch a YouTube video on your phone so ho kiya Siemens Networks said okay why don't we put all the computer stuff in the cloud aka the internet and then our cell sites should be as cheap as humanly possible they'll just be antennas with power amplifiers and we can even solar power them and that's essentially all it is that's what this liquid ready like what radio thing is yeah and hear what I'm saying here doesn't really look like anything that I was talking about actually here's one not that one still fascinated yeah no I was looking for exactly what it was um this isn't like a really innovative thing like if you google alcatel-lucent small cells they have it too I think brought that's what I was talking about Brad I was home at telefónica test oh this was at MBC so every time I open up chrome it opens four times at once which everything yes we do that oh there it is there's a little oh wow that's tiny yeah that's why I was so like impressive uh add that was like the last dude yeah there was a guy just holding one in his hand and all right Wow I'm sensing so you know what I'm sensing right now like my mind is reaching into the future sensing the frustration of users who can't see what we're looking at and I'm sensing 47 of the usual why aren't you guys have a video podcast comments so let's move on let's talk about android taylor saved that link so that we can talk about later because I think there's a really cool editorial in that somewhere Leo I killed your segway I'm so glad thank you for staying consistent even though I was totally wrong at least we had an expert on the line you're doing it again thank you Stefan get get out of here you boys want to talk about droids I want to thank you see this is a nice guest HTC we have a big scoop from it was chris sigler at the verge who kind of tipped us off in the middle of the night a couple nights ago I was like I was just on Twitter I had finally gotten away from mobile technology and this lights up my feet and I'm like come I have to click on this I have to click on this even though I would rather be paying attention to this episode of Deadliest Catch or whatever I was doing and it is this there's this interesting story that HTC is losing a lot of employees or employees are or losing HTC or something something is going on there's a lot of reshuffling happening not on the engineering side but on the marketing side of HTC and this is a cause for concern in some quarters any kind of shift like this is hahahaha you clever bastard yeah I had to actually it starts out dramatically to as a Tony's Tony's news post about this the captain is the last one to abandon a sinking ship and he starts talking about Peter is it child CEO Peter Chao yeah but anyway he's not going anywhere he said he would resign if the one wasn't a success but I think it is going to be which we'll talk about in segments but they're moving they're moving a lot of product let's see product strategy manager Eric Lynn who we all know from his I mean it's he's a veteran he's been around since the I used to follow him on phonescoop who tweeted to all my friends still at HTC just quit leave now it's tough to do but you'll be so much happier I swear so it sounds like there's definitely and that's backed up by some other other stories and the virgin since updated their story with other accounts I mean it you know it seems like a big reshuffle is happening over there but some astute commenters have pointed out that this is all happening on the marketing side or close to the marketing side and we hadn't all in San Francisco right right around Seattle you see right and and so somebody actually said like you guys have all been complaining for years that HTC is not advertising properly at you know well now they're doing something about it so you know this shouldn't come as a big surprise so I wonder I imagine the truth is somewhere between that and you know the sky is falling and no there's nothing to worry about this is what do you think Stefan well I've actually read the purchase piece and I agree was fascinating and I've been following everyone else who has been covering it because TechCrunch found out about some other guy engadget found out about some other guys seen it etc etc and the total right now is 8 so 8 really high level HTC executives have now left and it's really interesting to see where they're headed to so eric lin he now works for skype um John Stark he works for AT&T the head of digital services Elizabeth Griffin she now works for Nintendo so what do I think about this um yeah how do you read the tea leaves here you're really good at industry analysis which is why I've wanted to have on the show as well I mean I've been following all the stories coming out of Taiwan and everybody says that a Chow is just firing from the hip then he's not planning for the long term at all so if the one works great if it doesn't that's HTC's problem and he's overworking everybody and it just sounds like he's a guy who's trying to run really fast really far and he's just running out of breath Taylor she's great yeah i mean i've read haven't read all of it but I've read enough to know that yeah that's kind of what's happening here as much as i would say that i want to say that this isn't anything to be alarmed about it's something that it's something to be alarmed about until Peter child death step down I I will be interested to see how this goes now normally we would expect this to be backed up by a story saying HTC's One sales one demand is not meeting forecast but we are not seeing that we're seeing almost the opposite right in some regards we're seeing HTC have HTC One having sold 5 million units and this is sold not shipped as I understand it as are you know I think I confirmed this with Tony and he he did say that this is sold not shipped so you know that's a lot I'm just going to ruin the future transition and say that the galaxy s4 has now officially shipped 10 million units which we were expecting it to do before the month was out but I personally wasn't expecting to happen this quickly so the s4 is obviously taking off just as we anticipated but to see that the HTC One is is selling in in fifty percent of that volume is actually really astounding to me because I didn't expect it to sell that well I just want to bring out I just want to point out that the Samsung figure was from an official samsung press release date whereas the HTC figure was from an anonymous HTC executive who spoke to The Wall Street Journal so I'm not saying it's fake I'm just saying you have to take it with a little pinch of salt you're absolutely right and we have actually reached out to HTC for comment on that we have not heard back yet just reach out to him this morning we will see what they say so you're you're absolutely right but even say say that number is inflated right say it's 3 million or 2 million that's still kind of impressive given how viral the the s4 is yeah absolutely it is lilia and it's oh yeah we can't really speculate based on this based on this number yet but you're right Taylor even if it is less than half of the quoted figure it's still impressive because what happened last year that would the 1x got glowing reviews all across the internet and then it just didn't it didn't move right I don't have any figures on the 1x does anybody know how much that actually sold and it's in his prime period I think they're both wanted him yeah somebody else bought another yeah six and then the review units all went back and and like a 56 move total i wandered one I wanted to keep mine but they didn't let me keep my I've got one right here yeah selling it I don't want it any of you guys in the states had the one with the call I'm s4 and I hated you for it yes cuz it rear better yeah yeah we had the tiger 31 and anything from it Nvidia's just pure trash yeah do it you could have played you could have played shadowgun with enhanced graphics I have a computer for that Taylor's gonna get toes gonna get up close and personal with nvidia stuff here soon and I think I am I know if we can talk about that oh but I am so let's hi I'm from Nvidia Howard ships are fast but they're not in any products please ignore that please ignore that please ignore that and we're gonna have a three hour press event to show off nothing Oh anyway now they did show some stuff but still these are sales figures these are these are things that are happening I think that the more exciting story from the Samsung camp is that not only are there 10 million galaxy s4 units sold but they are offering them in new colors hot lava now I'm in now joining white mist in Black Forest will be this summer anyone want to guess with the with the verb adjective next to blue is Arctic guess blue Arctic and of course red Aurora followed by my favorite not brown autumn which i think is just and anytime you make a brown phone it's just won't a brown thumb up it i remember in 2004 wynnum the design the people designing the motorola I 834 nextel had consulted with some fashion consultants on it because it was the smallest nextel ever and they decided that rather than offering it just in an aluminum finish 2004 apparently the color of the year in fashion was supposed to be copper so they plated this thing in copper and it was one of the ugliest phones I'd ever ever seen but it is an hour collectors items so you can go get one but Brown autumn is gross purple Mirage would I think be be my choice for a new galaxy s4 just because I like the name I'm telling you guys a purple galaxy s4 with a yellow s view cover oh my god no thank you oh those were my high school color oh god yeah there's a Lego art blingo oh man you know that's cool I should plate a phone in my alma mater colors I should get a silver and blue phone silver blues goes well together I should just start carrying my galaxy note 2 again with the bright orange flip cover that I have you know what forget it I'm just gonna go to Adam dad's house and steal his Lumia 920 in bright yellow and then I'm going to alternate that with an HTC 8x in highlighter yellow and I'm just going to be visible wherever I go can we actually find a picture these colors they're like 10 report saying new colors and they linked to an old picture of the phone are they yeah they are there any visuals I haven't met him yet either they have a photo of the red one and the blue one but that's it look at their mmm and the the brown one is in a video on samsung's youtube channel yeah if you want to see a blue one listeners we might have we might update our post with the with the photo but I'm finding one a digi xav calm uh yeah it's a blue galaxy s4 I mean cool it's more Arctic than the blue galaxy s3 i'll give it that it's more arctic than blue yeah certainly more arctic yeah yeah I'm no longer interested in galaxy s4 colors Samsung is about a ten percent stake in pantech how about that there's that news that was pretty easy when that hit yeah well I I don't understand this is an unexpected move for me first of all I don't pay any attention to pantech because they don't have a show us presence I apparently I should because they're like the number three in south korea is that right yep they are and they make some crazy phones so they announced the phone called the vega iron and it is gorgeous it is absolutely that it's like listen s4 should have been really the Pangaea vega iron it's like yes it's the two most badass words from like cosmology and metallurgy and made an awesome phone well and it like like a-- it's like an xperia z it's like an xperia z from Battlestar Galactica because it has like with a corner cut up the hybrid cut corners yeah we're a lanyard hole oh hey lanyard holes so hard you have to watch the software videos because they invented some crazy stuff they're like the android capacitive buttons on the bottom yeah you can put those wherever you want now because really you can put him alongside if you want alongside in the center of your screen if you wanted to like completely cool stuff wife did great so apparently any time I write about Samsung or LG I always have one crazy guy come on the site and he's like man pantech invented all of this stuff they're just stealing it they're just dealing it real yeah so apparently they're big and and so I mean well all we ever see from them in the states are like mid-range low-end cheap free phones oh yeah like the pantech discover is the most like bad one and you know bad in a good word in a cool way and I don't think I've ever touched a pantech phone in my life so well were they an odm at one point did pantech make phones for other people well that's a good question yeah i don't know i think you said that the pantech flex oh I don't even know what that is an RA also don't know what that is there was a phone on AT&T that was like it was a metal home from pantech oh cool wait did uh yeah anyway we're gonna start getting into I don't know that this is reminding me of when panasonic used to make phones and then I'm remembering tiny phones and blah blah blah i miss tiny phones this is this is interesting to me i mean this is a big steak samsung has invested 47 million dollars into pantech there was it's like a ten percent stake and i think it i justjust don't really know what to make of it because these guys are competitors it's not like a carrier buying a buying a stake in a carrier in another country like is happening with sprint right now it's it's you know their manufacturers it's like Ford buying port of Chevrolet yeah the quote is that it is believed to further strengthen bilateral cooperation in smartphone and other business areas in other words absolutely meant exactly means we can steal from you rightfully right yeah I do wonder if this is like an insurance move where it's like if any of those claims not that I'm saying that any of those claims are true but if Samsung did in fact draw inspiration from pantech on some stuff they may be buying insurance against that I don't know let's what's what's really cool about pantech is like you said Samsung just purchased 10% of them but there are also two other corporations well one technically isn't a corporation who also owned a ten percent stake one of them is Qualcomm so Qualcomm owns ten percent of pantech really think about that yes and then the other ten percent the government of Korea really Zachary has a temper and SEGA magic and so does samsung and Samsung in the government South Korea obviously obviously very tight it'sit's literal read on their interaction yeah one might say they're in cahoots with one of the one might say that yes well but yeah I killed your transition sorry no not at all thank you for that actually that's that's very insightful and we did not have that in our in this particular post that is at something so I'm going to keep a little bit of a closer eye on pantech but we we have one more piece of Samsung news before we hop out of Android and that is concerning this galaxy s4 active which when it first came out I thought it might be a rumor well it'll be still is a rumor technically but I thought it might be an unfounded rumor and it's looking real this galaxy s4 active is looks to be basically a galaxy s4 in a rugged waterproof shell that is for one of the first times in history not making it a bulky cat phone like the b15 that just launched we are getting the interesting thing about this is not really that it exists but that no one can seem to agree on what specs it's it's shipping with because unfortunately durable phones have a legacy of being mid-range and low-end phones only there are very few truly high-end phones that are also durable or waterproof Xperia Z yeah you bring that up again okay these durable easy exactly right it's waterproof waterproof does not equal durability necessary things scratched like I set it down on a table with nothing like I wipe the table down I was shooting a video yeah wipe the table down set the phone down there are no scratches when I set it down picked it up there were scratches all over the back yeah how does this happen and then somewhat in the comics is like oh the back is dragonfire whatever glass or dragon dragon fire haha what is it what is it I think it can trap dragon trill yeah yeah Dragon Fire that was way is a way cooler name yeah why wouldn't you call it dragon fire there's a roller coaster a bush gardens that already has that van slyke um yeah likelihood of confusion is high now so but the thing is that these the specs on the galaxy s4 first looked like they were exactly like at least one of the variants of the galaxy s4 out there on the market and then somebody came along and said no look at this it's probably only running a dual-core s4 plus or a dual-core s4 pro and we can't remember which row pro and then another commenter came along and said no look in the in one of these frame grabs it says quad-core arm v7 processor which is probably a what apq8064 within Audrina or 320 so nobody can seem to agree on what's inside this thing and I'm just hoping that it does pack some really impressive specs because it will be once again one of the first durable waterproof phones to do so I are either of you guys as excited about this active or am I just a durable phone nerd your nerd Thank You dealer you lingered thank you good I appreciate it good well that's been the pocket not weekly we'll see you guys no I I think we can all agree though that the screen is going to be 5 inches and 1080p which excites me the most solid point yes indeed they're going to use the same panel almost definitely and that's a buttons buttons the bagel so yeah the home back and menu keys are physical buttons on this which they look straight up 1998a too but you need physical buttons on something like this that you're going to market to people who are doing what wearing work gloves they're wearing big clunky finger protection you know there i wish i had the optimus g pro so i could click the button into the mic again that button sounded like a toy it was like like a I don't even how to explain it but you could just feel it like you could fill the phone vibrate when you click the button so it felt Hollow yeah well that's what I imagine what these deity vests has the same feeling like hey you press the home button and it's like oh okay that's that's a little hollow feeling then you taught me England and resonate you mean this thing oh you if I can oh you got it thanks for telling me you got it yeah there um I just posted a picture of the note you put on the box oh you'd hit that's right what did I tell you treat me gentle I'm special yeah yeah are you sure the phone wasn't delivered in a little school bus like I opened the box I'm like what is this oh co t VES and then I saw the note and I was happy again oh good today's special I need to talk to you up to the podcast by the way good just gonna throw that in there good you should do that speaking of after the podcast we're getting close to it but we have to cover windows phone before we go yeah we do we do we do we need to do it just so you can just so you can earn us are legitimate following of of angry Microsoft commenters that follow every podcast because we get minor detail wrong no I don't generally like putting a lot of rumors in the podcast because it's just then it kind of turns into the same thing every week but this is a cool one there is not any accompanying photo or video or anything from this alleged sighting which number one means we should take it with a massive granule of salt and number two means that it reading it is kind of like reading one of those UFO sighting again I was about to say sasquatch does exist yeah but I let on its I saw him once I want to read this because it's so cool that this is a this is the quote the lens housing is round in shape and does not protrude much the flash is xenon and the flash and lens are both smaller than the Nokia 808 PureView blah blah blah blah blah I love that the number of megapixels were not marked on the prototype with XX megapixels only being written on the lens housing the regular photo app is also available but there's a new camera app called nokia pro camera with a completely new interface screen size and resolution is same as 920 by the way if you just see this thing in the wild I don't know how you can say that the resolution is the same as the 920 and appears to be AMOLED the speaker holes are at the bottom as the hand of the handset the handset was much lighter than the Nokia Lumia 920 wait how could who the hell is the source the source this is this story comes to us from wmpoweruser and it's okay yeah it's gorgeous Wow um you could say that it's the same resolution because that's the maximum resolution that that windows phone supports right yeah yeah yeah you could say that but that's not what the account says the account says it's the same size and resolution like it's it implies that you can tell it with you I can measure with my eyes so they add where wmpoweruser has updated their original article they said we had another source confirm the above info and added that the device will not come in colors obviously the source is not named they don't even didn't even bother with the source familiar with the matter believe us UFOs exist if the source makes a smelly fart and then another source says yep some really smells does that really count there were there were UFO sighting losophy there are UFO sightings during the tornadoes in um no dear God yeah in that in Oklahoma in Oklahoma yes there were UFO sightings and it turned out to be uh transformers exploding because that's what happens when power lines go down true enough like there was a shaky camera and drinking miles away so the thing is I so I we agree that these these are highly questionable rumors but here's the thing it like all great great rumors that usually end up being false there it's very plausible all right this description is not outlandish we're not hearing about a flexible display or a spherical phone or any kind of garbage so I you know I think this is probably pretty close to what we'll see from what is still being called the Nokia EOS well it was a guy there was a guy in North Carolina who set who spotted Sasquatch and he had a heap drew him and said he had beautiful hair so thing as Sasquatch is not likely to be unveiled anytime soon the EOS is likely to see to reach our eyeballs in sometime in the next six months so do you think that this is this you're gonna do you think he had a suitable hair I was Cleveland Brown who founded no look at that jerry curl I think Cleveland did rocking awesome jheri curl back in the day so what what is uh if if the flashback episodes of FAMILY GUY are to be believed so what is the butt but i think this is i don't i'm not saying this is legit i'm saying this is probably a pretty accurate description even if its total of fantasy at this point this is sort of what i expect from the eos and this is what i would probably get a lot get very excited about is this what it would take for you to get excited about a nokia another nokia windows phone Stefan or would it take more than more than this they got to get rid of the live tiles and they gotta switch to android and Oh get it maybe I'll care that Windows 1 and 0 but honestly this this whole eos rumor has been going on forever and ever everything f and there's a new one every week yes we're good it's not yeah or this one of the most talked-about phones that ever why not wouldn't it be right there's something that ho kia fans don't want to uh personally admit but um they're not in charge of the software so if they want to put in a 41-megapixel eos whatever sensor in there they have to ask microsoft and i doubt they would try that well well i think that what i think is that Windows Phone needs all the help I can get a Microsoft for all its for all its bluster and all its scroogled BS like understands that Windows Phone needs more to capture more market share so I think that they would I think that they would embrace the idea of this industry-leading headline-grabbing camera module and I think that's what I say what they're gonna do what is the only symbian phone anybody's talked about in the past two years exactly the 808 PureView right exactly okay talked it out who bought it out on Tony about it okay he loves it um but but you're right i mean sales figures aside it's it is a very well-known phone it established the PureView brand which which has carried nokia to some degree of success right that's there in yeah it's the foot in the door but the problem is that it's not just we have to ask Microsoft if we can use this it's we have to ask Microsoft to update the the the capabilities of Windows Phone 8 right they have to upgrade the chipset because old chipsets from last year can't support 41 megapixels you would have to use a Snapdragon 800 oh really yeah because the maximum of like a Snapdragon 600 is like 20-some megapixels so if you're you're shooting in 41 megapixel range or anything above like say 25 or 26 28 whatever the limit is you would have to use a Snapdragon 800 I don't know the limitations of a Snapdragon s4 pro but i'm sure i could find that I find that fascinating so this means that we will see the EOS either on alongside the next iteration of Windows Phone or we will see the EOS land with a chipset that is more current more contemporary but it it will not land with a 41-megapixel sensor it'll it'll end with an an over sized sensor that uses some other kind of software magic to do some pixel half doubling or some other terms than I will make up yeah limitation is Snapdragon 600 is 21 megapixels and I can't find the s4 pro interesting what about the 800 800 is 55 whoa yeah yeah or a big food or they can they can take the HTC root and and just magnified you know they can say listen megapixels really don't matter our primary shooter is a 1.3 megapixel camera but it's but it's got a massive it's got a sense of the size of a manhole that's what they'll do if they did like a like a 16 or 18 or 20 megapixel camera mm-hmm with a large sensor like an ultrapixel style sensor it would be huge it would be enormous would but it would be phenomenal at least for a phone detachable lens you know you want to check my shots who you bring out the the DSLR lens for your phone camera you know I I just have to talk about HTC one vs samsung galaxy s4 and everyone's like which one is the better camera the whole ultrapixels thing blah blah all the reviews say that the gs4 takes better photos in everyday situations so side yes once you get inside it is so bad it's awful if you get in not even just poor lighting if you get in moderately poor lighting or even just slightly poor lighting the camera is awful yeah the very first picture I took with the galaxy s4 was on an amtrak train and there was natural light coming in through the windows and artificial light overhead and I took that picture looking down the aisle of this train and I was like wow what is with all this noise it was a well lit shot from from any other perspective but boy it didn't it didn't do well in do it up but no outdoors beautiful photos and Tony's Tony says up and down like he's like that was the first thing you said when he got the octa-core he was like this s4 destroys the the ones camera and yeah under ideal conditions it does but man not in low light that is and it the s4 takes the best panoramic shots on a phone that I've ever seen oh yeah it does I mean um I've never told the iphone 5s comes out yeah prize yeah I've never got stitching to work right it makes what cars will see the one I used did you see the one I did um no no it's it's in the review I can link to it on there's a download for the full size it's like 23 megabytes yeah its a 50 some mega pixel is it what is it a landscape panorama yeah it is just it's the stitching is literally almost perfect there are I looked through every little area of the picture in there like two areas where the stitching a little off you get stuff more than 20 feet like close to the camera lens closer than 20 feet of the camera lens and stuff really starts going messy there I hate panoramas have have given me a lot of trouble this month I don't want to talk about him I'm just I'm just so so angry so I'm gonna so I'm going to show you this picture needs somebody lost opportunities before we head out of windows phone actually we are gonna head out of Linda's phone before we head out of the podcast I do want to ask if there's any other news that we failed to cover or anything that has popped up in the last hour that we've been on the air because it was a slow week in some regards but not in others it looks like the only news that I'm seeing right now is that there is a smartphone demoed by LG with a barely-there bezel that sounds awesome barely there uh well you have the new verizon MVNO that is particularly targeted to latina three nose right yeah the that's JLo and that at ctia right oh also yeah good an end of the show announcement we're not at ctia sorry because there was really nothing there yeah well the thing is we there's stuff there to report on if you are if you are a broader publication we are as we say often at pakka na we are we are very very device focused so there wasn't a lot there for us but sprint is unleashing a bevy of waterproof kyocera phones like the torque which we reviewed in which we're going to write about again tomorrow and so that's exciting I like durable phones I can kind of get a hell yeah no no you guys don't care yeah okay I don't I don't drop phones often exactly you guys once does the worm come on as a mission with me yeah you know you can just until you've had a text conversation from the shower you just don't understand I'm I'm done I'm done yeah good because we are out of time I do want to say before we go Stefan thank you very much for for being our first ever non pocketnow guest on the pocket now weekly really enjoyed having you on the air so thanks for your time oh man I was thrilled when that email hit hit my inbox so thank you for calling me out here that was good absolutely man and you know normally we would we would end the show with some listener mail and stuff were a little over time now but i think it was really worth it it was really great to get your insights and let's not make it the last time i would i would love to have you on the show again absolutely here good in the meantime tell everyone on the internet where they can find you if you would like to share that google+ is stupid um facebook is where i talk to my family and on twitter i am at what the bit hilarious awesome username and i love it but that is going to do it for this episode of the weekly find the rest of us on twitter taylor is at casper tech cas ber tek you can always find me at captain two phones and once again Stefan is at what the bit you can also follow pocket now officially at pocket now on twitter at pocket now on facebook and google+ leave us a review on as to itunes or xbox music and if you have a topic question or suggestion for the podcast we are going to get back to listener mail at some point podcast at pocketnow.com thanks for listening we'll see you next week come on Taylor say goodbye goodbye yeah I've got to pay your dues questions duh Stefan am I the only one who's uh am I the only one who Taylor sounds like a robot to uh no you are not yeah see I is it you tell your your kind of falling apart over there you got a connection to human I don't think so am I I don't forget to play my ethernet cable oh there we I always plug it in so I'm better now um i don't i don't know and why don't you tell us some more about bestbuy.com oh thank you Oh actually you sound much better now good of course I do of course this will be so much fun to edit out later thanks Taylor hey by the way all those points you were making I'm sure they were great we didn't hear any of those who they were I don't even this is your public service announcement to plug in your Ethernet cable before a podcast you