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it's the day before Nokia's most anticipated announcements maybe ever showcasing a product more thoroughly leaked than almost any other in its history we'll talk about our hopes and fears for the new phone and the challenges of covering a device so thoroughly leaked all that plus a handful of Android and iOS news in the hour ahead so let's get right down to it on episode 05 two of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocket now where we discussed smartphones tablets and the state of mobile technology in 2013 I'm your host Michael Fisher editorial director at pocket now and today I'm joined by chief news editor Steven leaky faucet shank good morning there in Pennsylvania how are you Michael I'm very well so good to have you back in the dough thank you very much I think we're both doing better though than the senior editor Taylor heatwave Martin good morning to you you poor sweaty man good morning good morning tale sweating yet I'm not gonna yeah really yeah and it's doing its job it is I turned it down I don't know if you noticed but that turtle you did turn it down though that's nice yeah what's your part I was we were having a discussion on the other side of the the podcast and the pre-show about how we're we're like the most industrial podcast today Taylor has a giant fan on him and Stevens keyboard broke so you had to replace it with a what a Smith Corona word processors that way you're working with it this has a lecturing date of 1988 25 years old it's a typewriter right but is its legit is it when I be a mechanical keyboard you said yeah buckling spring model n it weighs about 5 pounds you can really hurt somebody with this if you need to I can't wait until you start googling something in the middle of show also I wouldn't call my fan large it's the only one I have and it's got a diameter of about 10 inches that ain't a large fan yeah it's a tiny fan but it's got a punch should I've sent you some box fans in the mail so Taylor we want to tell the listeners what your issue is it's not just that you're in in carolina and july Yeah right there couldn't have been a better time for my hair to go out so yeah I came home from a weekend back home with my family and my air was out on Sunday when I got home and my apartment was upwards of 85 degrees Fahrenheit and it was it was kind of toasty it was a lot cooler outside it was upper 60s I believe outside so I figured my unit had frozen it was running full blast when I got home and it's done it before so I figured it was frozen flipped it off lifted off for two days so I suffered through monday with no air and I figured it's time to turn it on turn it on and it was blowing hot air so it was 85 inside and I turned the air conditioner on set it to 68 and it started rising to 90 degrees yeah flipped it off told the complex that my ears not working it's blowing hot air and they sent my mates in a maintenance man yesterday while I was away and they said they were going to try to fix it and I told them to put it at 70 if they do I came home in my apartment was pushing 90 degrees again that's gotta be @midnight @midnight and if you don't have moving air if you raise all the windows if there's no way to pull the air into your apartment there's nothing but raising undos is going to do that though the apartments perfectly happy just to sit there and then hook because the windows it is I could go all the way up to the to the ceiling yeah so I slept in 90 degrees last night and yeah so I'm talking to Taylor today on on google hangouts and I realized what it takes because it's tough to get Taylor unsettled like you can't do it if you're an ornery troll or you know it's like it's tough to like get Taylor angry but I'm talking to him this morning and hangouts and after a night of sleeping a 90 degree weather every what like every third word was an f-bomb I was about every granted I know I know like not everyone is excuse me almost no one is docile in all circumstances and I think we've found would Taylor just don't get Taylor hot that's the heat kills me man like if I lived in the north I would be pretty pretty darn happy but I say we got a movie to Maine I'm probably be ecstatic but ya know what happened was the guy who came to fix my air left the heat own he flipped it on to heat you have to manually switch it to heat didn't let me tell him that you didn't want the heat on though because it's compelling you a little bit oh that's right exactly and did you tell him not to steal your microwave oven because if you didn't that's on You Man I would I would prefer him for him to steal the microwave but he instead of leaving it on auto he flipped it over to on so it stays on no matter what and he turned on the heat so I came home and it probably been running I know he leaves here at five so he'd been running for five hours on heat in the summer and that's unbelievable with no air to fix it when I got back whoa I'm hoping you know you I'm hoping he pays you a visit later when we're when we're off the air but listeners please endure our feted fan noise and an hour mechanical keyboard and and and all that kind of stuff but I think we're doing well I think we're in a good place to talk mobile tech and I'd like to do that and normally Brandon minimun is the the purveyor of the thought thread but he is busy having a having a baby or helping a baby get head so so obviously one of the weirder sentences I've said and up and half a baby get that's exactly at least you avoided the mini mini Ming jokes I did I did I thankfully we've covered those exhaustively on previous episodes but you know and so I don't want I don't want to steal his thunder with a thought thread but we do have a bit of a thought to lead us into the show and it's part of the reason I wanted Steven to to come on the show because Steven as most of you will know is our chief news editor he said heads up the news desk and and Stevens always posting news all day long while we are the rest of us are opening or making videos or you know whatever making podcasts and as a result steven has been with a member of the team too what when he's when he's on duty to learn about awesome news before any of the rest of us and the news coming out of Nokia tomorrow which we will be covering in a special edition of the pocket now live so hang out with us tomorrow is probably the most anticipated nokia news of almost ever this is going to blow the 920 out of the water probably it's certainly the nine it wasn't as exciting as this and yada yada and I wanted to talk to Steven about what it's been like to cover that you know uphill Bush of new I mean because the the 10 20 or the 909 or the EOS or whatever you want to call it is huge and I just I'm very interested in how it's been to to follow all of these leaks because it's it's been it would you say this is one of the most heavily leaked devices you've you've ever covered Steven more than that I think this is a special case because we've been talking about the rumors about this phone before you know there's even a reason to before we heard a model number or any specific leak just the idea of there being a peer review windows phone was it started the rumor before there was any hardware to to go along with it so we've been before we had a code name this has been in the rumors but we had es it was in the rumors and now you like you said all these leaks it's like you know iphone 5 over here it's it's definitely unlike anything that we've seen from nokia or Windows Phone and in general I think it's true and I want to say that I feel a bit I feel a bit a bit foolish in retrospect if you look back to some of our mwc coverage when you know Lumia nokia was hosting their their big event and like the day before Tony and I are over there you know just spitballing on camera I think was a pocket out live I might've been the weekly and we're like yeah well we're really hoping to see a you know a big nokia announcement tomorrow and like there had been no leaks of any sort anything to expect and of course whatever we get we got the 720 and the 520 but for the for the mwc you did have reasons to be thinking that because I think if Nokia Russia posted a teaser video for the mwc and it had pictures of the the 808 in it oh and apparently it was super you know unofficial was just some interns or whoever without authorization burping up stock footage no Russia put this out and so it's like a day or two before so oh you weren't off base oh good thank you cuz I'm thinking here thinking this whole time I my god where we just like just so excited to have maybe something to report on no but it's felt like that we've been really excited to see this guy forever and until now there hasn't in a sense oh my god it's finally about to happen yeah yeah and you know there's there's no doubt that this is what we're going to see tomorrow basically and you're right it's this has been something we've been talking about since since the 808 dropped like number one nokia is going to put this on a windows phone and number two that's going to be amazing and tomorrow is going to be the culmination of a lot of that but when you're covering all these leaks Steven um I you know it give us we don't we don't often talk about the actual news cycle on on the show how do you separate the signal from the noise there's so many leaks out there I mean you know how do you how do you evaluate which ones you run with and which ones you leave alone that's tough and a lot of it is especially with the early stuff you don't know what's real and what's not I mean when we first saw these the images of the 1020 whatever it's going to be it's um the area surrounding the lens that little the camera bump there right yeah we were all over though this has to be a fake this isn't it doesn't look right you know the shadows were right the engraving didn't look real and raving was uneven right yeah sure it looks like it's that was legit and there's this fact I don't think it was I still think it was faked because there's no way I mean think about it logically how do you have two shadows in different directions so I think somebody photoshopped it but they Photoshop something that was actually real ok ok I see was based on the legit design but yeah it does this we always have to very carefully try to evaluate what are we going to jump on as fact what are we going to start treating a lot more harshly I mean even right now when we're seeing legitimate leak after legitimate leak there was the surrender that like the latest one to arrive the other day it came alongside some very real sounding hardware info talked about 2 gigabytes ram that's something I want to believe make sense so I run with that story but at the same time that render looks super iffy and the more I look at it the more problems I have with it but it's a yeah you don't know what what you can trust what you can and so I guess the we end up doing is presenting a lot of the stuff to you with trying to warn you when you might want to you know treat this with the appropriate you know grain of salt or do not you know take this to the grave with you as gospel and we've up to the reader to try to you know obviously we're going to be the gatekeepers and keep the really awful stuff you don't have to worry about away from you but we wouldn't want to present the full story and let you know you know what everyone's talking about even that's not eligible from Nokia take take it with a full helping of a poutine right shall we talk about poo gene for a second here nobody so I think we did talk about when I came back from Toronto after I'd had it for the first time I don't never have never had it cheese curds around here trader joes used to and they stopped and I cannot find cheese curds saved my life oh I can't i I've never tried it because they just don't sir like no restaurant that I'm aware of serves it around here if you can find the courage you can make it yourself but that's the sticking point for me yeah see I don't like yeah that sounds like a lot make your own curves yeah I've gone to dairy barns they don't even have the currents they just you know turn them into cheese and we got all kinds of dairy sources of previously Kurds up here but yeah but now that's that's what yes so the Nokia poutine is going to launch tomorrow no so you know and some of the yeah go ahead tell well I had it up and now I don't I was gonna read it I wish shores yeah yeah yeah good well I switched my trackpad to touch to click when I'm on the podcast because I click so loudly oh yeah not so I accidentally clicked something and now I don't have it anymore and I can't just simply go back so i'll keep searching yeah keep keep searching for that so I was gonna ask Stephen like how much does uh does the the source of the leak play into stuff right because at you when I see when I'm reading news story is not only from popping out from other sites and i'll see like leak you know here's this thing that may or may not be real the first thing i do is go down to the bottom i look at the source link yes I'm like who did this come from this came from efflux and I can probably trust it if this came from you know I don't know you know what backwater tech then I'm probably not going to look at it but a lot of those backwater sites or at least the ones that you don't normally associate with being on top leaks have been getting a lot of really compelling stuff lately and it's tricky you don't know is this coming from a legitimate source so you know you sort of you feel it out you try and see if it fits in with the rest of what we've been hearing and hopefully you know eventually gets confirmed and we get to know learn whether it should be trusting these guys it's like Sam bubble sort of popped up relatively out of nowhere earlier this year with a lot of leaks about the galaxy s4 at first we don't know how much faith you should be putting in this but you get a track record going and developed a reputation for yourself but again it's also hard to find where the sources are a lot of these times you can follow that trail of source links back pretty far but eventually you're going to hit a brick wall sometimes that would be you know you get to like a Weibo a lot of the stuff comes out of China and once we get to the forums there it sort of falls apart so that's you know translation issues we can't follow exactly what's going on but you followed as far as you can and then it suggests you have to decide for yourself go with it or drop it and that brings her a very interesting question when you hit one of those brick walls what happens when the brick wall you hit indicates or maybe doesn't or you just speculate that it's ending on a company it's ending at this at the company that is being leaked about I mean when do you know that you've got a controlled leak going on because that's tricky right oh the Thunderbolt yeah was the HTC Thunderbolt a control it was most definitely a controlled leak because I wasn't around for them like a it was like one picture or one or two pictures was sent to every single major site out there so they weren't all the same pictures they were all different pictures but every site i can gadget when I was a phone dog we received some divert what the verge wasn't around but uh this is my necktie crunch yeah yeah i think was this is my next I mean it was just all these major sites got like two or three pictures they were water marked with something nobody had ever heard of and they were super high-res of an actual device why were there hi res they were really small pictures but you could tell they were taken with a really nice camera so we were just kind of like um so yeah that's interesting what you're saying is it was subtle late leak ever right yeah it was definitely controlled so because because two days after that um it you at the time that was being rumored as the incredible HD and that's what everybody was referring to it as and right yeah and it was it was the first LTE phone and um just a couple days after that like two days maybe Erin received a box in the mail from an anonymous I think it was HTC but he didn't know exactly who it was from and it had all this HTC swag I guess you could call it but I had all this stuff in there stickers and pamphlets and all this other stuff about nothing really it was like clues I'm like there was a TV I got like a sticker of a TV which meant HD and and it wasn't even HD but uh all these things and it was like we've got something amazing or incredible it was a play on words and it was just right after after the leaks so it was just kind of like it goes from seeming like you had this great new insider source to this is just some you know marketing guys idea of a fun new campaign to try to get the capture attention but yeah yeah but what I was getting to is it all kind of came at the same time and it was just it was very obviously a control week right and we're not seeing that the flags like that with this one right a not to that degree no way but below we're seeing some some obviously like you know minor information leaked a little bit like in that in the sample pics right and the the shot of Joe Belfiore and as what was it is flickr page that woulda had to be intentional yeah obvious you know we're gonna find that right of course like that's that that that is and I don't wanna try to find a synonym for controlled league so I can stop you're using that phrase but somebody a great German word for it Greg words tram together there probably is diverse assignor but the thing is like I think that's a wine but the the thing is like those are compelling and everyone has gone nuts about this image in our in our various comment threads and of job you'll be ory ya know now what is he holding up like this if you haven't seen this is Joe Belfiore holding up a like a gold medal he's wearing around his neck and he's like standing on either a dock or a boat what's going on is it docked boat yeah we actually it is a doctor as you can see the doc in the background I can't tell if the metal is supposed to be like a the guy looks way too happy with his arms raised he looks like anything it looks like he's doing like I half-hearted like yeah he looked it looks to me like he's trying to settle down a group of really ordinary people you know everyone calm down that too is he got the like the gold medal of mediation I don't know there's a marathon marathon it says a on the ribbon around his neck it says it's a marathon things okay so you look it looks like you just got done running but apparently this is a great photo now it was a running on water yeah this is about the implication but the other thing everybody's gone nuts about the awesome camera quality of this photo but like it's this photo was shot on an overcast day it looks like I don't see anything amazing about it but this is why i am not a photography critic in any case this lee it'd be difficult to really say much of anything about it unless it were really large like full res yeah everything this was one of these are the downsampled the 5 megapixel we're speaking of it's a 7 pixels cramming them into one so it shouldn't look really good still if that's what it's doing but yeah like I said it sometimes it looks it looks like a good image but it's hard to know where I should go to tell the difference between something done by a you know a prosumer camera versus a professional camera in the high end there's audio stuff too so somebody look for a g8 somebody look for a reflection here see if he's actually using another actually I was just gonna say like bandits just gonna say it's it's it's stories like this that really bring out the gold standard in commenters because let me just tell you what this thread is someone named troll has posted fake picture just like last time nokia deceived the picture using a DSLR and the two responses are idiot and no yeah he he the troll trademark guy he comments on pretty much everything ever I think it's uh it's it's comin coming to be time to ban him anyway uh what's up yeah so what I was talking about what I found I found what I was looking for um it was someone on Twitter I had no idea who was somebody retweeted it that I follow I user k I can't pronounce that Hyori t RT Curie RT I don't know matter anyway she says I'd pay a thousand dollars for nokia plus 1 41 megapixel camera plus android put windows phone instead of android and I take it if it was offered but i wouldn't pay now i believe yeah i think this person is yeah they work for droid app storm I don't know so that they are obviously biased here but but it's an interesting take nonetheless they'd still take it if it was windows phone but they wouldn't pay so I mean that was it destroyed is really really strange so I just felt like I needed to share that yeah the craziness is going to just multiply but we've got so much here and it's um I feel like we could craft an editorial almost just based on all of the stuff we've seen and you know what i am going to say that I was a little pleasantly surprised on a show maybe ten episodes ago in the weekly it was it was a quite a while ago we but before we got any pictures of this 10 20 we got this kind of first hand written account of seeing one on a bus do you guys remember that no I don't read things no no I read it aloud on the air I don't remember if either of you were actually on the episode and I think I think I think I remember you reading it yeah cuz I read it aloud because I was like guys here's a check that because it's not it felt like I was reading like a Roswell letter or something that's right yeah yeah I listen when people read things to me but I don't read myself oh well I'm happy to read you goodnight moon anytime you like oh he isn't understand that sweet but it was going saurik uh oh oh oh they have to slow they have to sleep yeah yeah yeahs can get that be that one to me yeah we'll get Sam L over here but the thing is like you know reading that account was awesome and I was like guys this is probably fake but I just got to read it fun but I think everything that that leak described absolutely came true from the big circular opening to the distinctive Lumia shape otherwise and all this stuff so I'm gonna the next time I get one of those in my mailbox I'm gonna read it again and it's gonna give it a second glance exactly exactly wait are we I'm learning I'm learning a little bit myself about how to do i'm learning stuffs i'm learning stuff and we're going to to jump into another manufacturer here in a second because we can only you know I really talk so much about the 10 20 and so on do we think it's gonna be called that by the way cuz that 909 what do you guys prefer you would you rather be called the 1022 the 90 90 min 20 yeah for them to get rid of number schemes no number screams you never schemes are great number screams are great to happen God it just it just makes it complicated once you get ten generations and not that anybody ever goes ten generations but I mean you look at back at black berries I was writing a blackberry piece a while back and I was just going through all the old phones i had and i had the 8120 281 30 day t 332 8310 Ted 9330 the 9310 that 9130 I remember 60 the 95 my 7520 and people would always confuse it for the 7250 and I'm like why are we doing this yeah wow that's that's why i say that because i've owned 30 some blackberries and I can't even remember all the ones i owned and and not even that i can't remember a fraction of them but just because it's it's so ridiculous i will concede that it has not been done well yet but the idea of having like grouping the phones into families based on a numbering all the hundred phones are the same to hundreds or something else yeah it was a good idea she wanted but eventually you run out of it out of numbers so so say on this this 920 we decimal system is still running hahahaha we got that 920 point to meet the dough I mean so what do you do okay so you've got the 909 920 so you've got the 925 and the 928 what happens when you go so maybe the next one might be 9 39 40 you've got 9 50 60 70 80 but that you're not going to use all those they don't know you're a big girl we would do this like automobiles and we don't need a new number every or new model every year just change its instead of the iphone 5 it's the 2013 iphone yeah now we're seeing with the ipad and story this is the exact same problem that nokia has ran into at least one time and blackberry ran into they had so many blackberries they ran out of numbers and they were up to 99 99 99 50 60 something like that I don't know yes so they didn't have anywhere to go I'm like what are you gonna do have a phone number ten thousand something like and always waiting for that I was waiting for like the 10k or something like that no so what did they do they went back to just nothing but now blackberry is doing that yeah but the q10 makes sense because the q is for the qwerty right the z10 is given as Omega thing and then but then they're gonna restart with a like I think that's pretty cool that's if you keep the numbers to like two digits or less and put a letter in front of them i'm generally okay with it but i am upset right now by the issue were facing by LG dropping apparently dropping Optimus for the g two this is discussing all sorts of yeah writing articles and tagging things up we already have a phone called the g2 yes we did right yeah yeah right also it's complicated by the fact that LG's own brand name it's just two letters stuck together so that it just sounds gross you know it's like the it's like the motorola x makes sense whereas like if Motorola were called I don't know mt like the MTX like it's like actually that would sound pretty cool cumbia which I'm sure each other sounds like you should be in a George Lucas build gg2 does yeah it sounds like a droid but enough that's one kind of droid anyway yeah so I'm talking about LG a bit but go ahead yeah no I mean I I was dying for the blackberry 10 thousand five hundred and seventy-three but uh nobody else thought it was a good idea yeah well in the waning days maybe of the of the three digit you know flagships from Nokia I wanted to to call attention to the fact that I would actually kind of prefer 909 I think that makes sense given the 808 but the fact that it is a lower value than 920 makes it extremely unlikely in my opinion don't think they would do that however I wish they would because I think that would be pretty cool but yeah and you're already jumping into the thousands this is your we're going on your three and they're jumping windows is there a better phone to jump into the thousands with exactly absolutely none of this is the one where exactly and you know or numbers or the better deserves it well this looks to be the one that's because it's what we've wanted for like a year and Roberts on windows for another 10 years and taken to 10,000 yeah well once we figure get really but it's it's not a it's not running Android I'm just going through the healthy so Taylor has to go actually actually today if it weren't pushing 90 degrees in my apartment I was going to do a video on my thoughts on Windows Phone and we're looking at probably friday now but uh yeah you can look forward to that as good we will look forward to their I will be off on friday but I will look forward to watching that on Monday but I wanted to ask about this real quickly are either now your thoughts on Windows Phone aside Taylor as a photographer or a sort of one you've got to be looking forward to the 1020 regardless of what it what else it right I am I mean my jokes about Windows Phone most of the time are are nothing more than jokes right and what about Steven I speak the truth about Windows Phone I it's a great platform it's just not for me you're right right right I've been the year of a very special case because you ever you stand apart from the rest of us in terms of smartphone adoption I think you to your credit kind of exists outside this constantly changing world of devices because you've retained to the same nexus 4 for a while now right it's only been like what six months I guess it is a lot a long time the red compact the rest of us yeah its forms every like week if bad yeah I do that a couple times a week given whatever answer I get into what i like and is really hard for me to change it I mean I want to experiment more with like custom roms and things but once you get something that's working and you're familiar with its it's hard to take that step to you know play around and experiment that's what nandroid backups are for yeah true if you're safe you're still staying on Android but let's uh let's not get too too far away from that because I want to wrap it up on the 1020 like I'd say we're gonna be covering that on the hangout tomorrow so please please come hang out with us Steven you're probably are you gonna be on it who's gonna be on it made up my mind hi my Adam doubt and I made myself and you were gonna be on good okay even you should be on it if I told me that that I have to do it because of if I donuts boring I was initially very confused in the earlier days of this week because I was thinking that today was the 11th oh and it was very concerned about this podcast clashing up against the launch of the 80 it wasn't until I think last night that I realized what was really going on it would be the calendar for the first time in so many days I don't know I hope I'm really do news during these big announcements but I've been invited to join the hangout with you guys so we'll see okay yeah I woke up this morning and I'm like man I need to tell Michael that I might not be able to do the podcast tomorrow and I'm like quick oh wait it was Tuesday happening today yeah that's just today hey I need to tell Michael I'm not doing the podcast today yeah then I was like you know what I'm gonna do it I'm gonna I'm gonna man up I think breaking news from the internals of the team it looks like for all of you commenters and by all of you i mean the few of you but they're there have been more than one who asked us to cover the cat b15 that super rugged sneaker phone it looks like that is going to be coming to me now we're not going to review it it I think what we're going to do is put it up against some other durable phones just and have some fun finding out how it stacks up do we have to return this one or can you do a destructive test help you know we have to return this one is coming to us from clove so yeah that's great so that's coming to me tomorrow and Taylor Taylor and I I don't think this is not at all this is not at all under embargo because these devices are already released both Taylor and I are getting Galaxy Tab review units yeah I have an xperia tablet z in the other room and it's still in the box with the tape on it so get to meet these yeah yes Stephen Cheng left a comment on what was of these that tablet Z unboxing or the review it was just want it's gonna get lost in the mail coming to me let's just put it down I adore that tablet and the tailor treat it right i forgot why i sent it to you but treat it right um i think it's for a comparison video mm-hmm hey i got a full res picture of Joe Belfiore I got the full taken with the mystery cam yeah yeah how big is it yeah he's got a unibrow that happens all of us at marathons oh ok t he doesn't um hi res camera shows 2020 352 by 1568 which is five or three no mams Maddox that is for just under 4 megapixels okay and on sample he took it with an HTC one I mean it looks pretty good but it's hard to tell how everything looks on my computer because it it's just such a high res like if you make if you blow it up big enough to actually see anything it looks terrible because it gets pixelated so I to look at it later we're gonna say and we're we're stoked to see about it let's let's move on from from nokia to talk about the last bit of Windows Phone 8 News which i think is actually pretty exciting and we do have to talk about LG in the android section so let's kick it off with it so right right ok this is steven story obviously uh-oh LG exec insists windows phone 8 device in the works single grumble grumble grumble right now to me this is this is a good thing because the LG has been conspicuously absent on the Windows Phone 8 front and I think I've said this on the show before I actually thought the quantum had a lot going for it there one of their to Windows Phone 7 devices it had one of the better keyboards ever and I don't like landscape keyboards and I had to like stand there in the AT&T store and decide for like minutes on end whether I was going to do that or get the focus and ultimately the focus AMOLED screen won me over but i liked the quantum and i would really like to see a windows phone 8 quantum keyboards not coming back I know and it's it's it's sad it makes me sad though it is I had a woman told me that yesterday well yeah it's actually the receptionist at the office I'm moving to yeah she was talking about I'm wanting a physical keyboard again I don't know how I always good on these conversations people about phones but she was like yeah I really wish I could just get my old keyboard back and I was like gone are the days of a physical QWERTY you know but they're not like I mean they're they're still very decidedly on their way up but you can still find him I mean one of my other friends just got a droid for for that very reason like she was like yeah me but I just don't want to buy a new phone and I went to never get an update for it right out of the box what do you recommend but it's funny like even after years and years and years of this like customers not average consumers but friends of of mine who are tend to be tech light you know they don't even know what an update is and you know they don't cares on you haven't text in google and and get map directions they're fine one thing I've always believed is you should never buy anything on the promise that is gonna be updated no of course not no she's never ever go into something and that's when one problem I had with the HTC one with the shipping with four dot one instead of four taught to write but but I mean the difference between those two is very small anyway but nonetheless it's uh something everyone should should agree with you should never buy anything on the promise that it's gonna be updated okay even if you know it's gonna be updated even if the company says we're gonna update this don't do it well thankfully you should be able to avoid a lot of those problems with this theoretical LG windows phone because windows phone has a pretty good track record of well when it went over what have we waited for and in the Windows Phone world and the first update was a train wreck a what no no I mean windows phone 8 sorry 7 is dead i'm not talking about seven and seven dollar got a count of stuff work that you're talking about no and this 18 seen its share hiccups with the updates coming down has it I'm earlier this year what was the one februari or something there much staggered problems were carriers where Oh starting Alisa then holding back and you never knew who was getting it you can always buy passage sure right but when the carriers are always gonna be that that problem and who knows when that fix but that's not that's not the OEMs fault you know I don't think that is your apple to my ear right but to my recollection we don't have I don't as Nokia screwed up a release his HTC held back on an update i mean or is it has not enough time passed because we're still waiting on this major one that everyone called something different nokia calls it calls it there amber update which is gonna bundle in what is it GRE to ambers on top of gdr2 gdr2 okay yeah carriers talk windows phone update GTR to arrival anyway so who knows i don't know i don't care i don't want to talk about updates what do you think about about the actual hardware that's gonna come out of this because we've seen LG shift from an older idea of this like squared off corner to some of the leaks we'll talk about in a second of the optimist to which looks to be much more nexus for like will we see a rounded windows phone out of LG like an all glass jaw be what do we think i think we're anybody or exactly it's probably gonna look exactly like the adidas well i don't think it's actually gonna know you don't think it's gonna land do you think it's it's not legit mean this comes to us from what light reading India well I believe that an LG exact has said that developments going on internally and I'm sure it probably is I don't think LG is going to release the phone though I have I mean we've they're talking about working on a windows phone 8 device for a rubber now I'm feeling this is a project that's long been you know designated to the bottom of the important scale there it's probably a couple of guys still working away on it hoping that LG's going to commit to it but I really can't see them doing it unless the unless this nokia is a you success and brings a whole new share of the market to to Windows Phone I don't think it's no geez interest to release another windows phone handset so it may not be but think about what about the pressure that Microsoft might exert on them because if your Microsoft what do you have as far as Windows goes you've got you've got you know Samsung making windows phones that everyone's kind of ignoring you've got a HTC making windows phones that were cool for like two weeks and that now they're not as cool anymore and then you've got basically nokia which is the the superstar and then huawei if you want to count count huawei four different markets so studious nw8 yeah so wouldn't you want to be pushing little LG 222 rican tribute especially since they already have Windows Phone experience I'd be pitching samsung to contribute more but Angie's gonna bring anyone to the platform I agree but but listen about I don't think they think there's a certain amount of pressure Microsoft can exert on samsung because Samsung's huge right there the world's number one the handset vendor and I'm not saying LG is small but I'm saying I think that they can impart more force on LG than they could have some it's kind of like a dual package you you and you encourage samsung to do it and LG is probably going to do it as well well no but it's about that yes as sad as that sounds so I say pressure samsung and and get the the freebie to put it yeah yeah I know watching doesn't necessarily think on its own much anymore they kind of wait for samsung to do something and then they say you know we'll do it too I mean if you don't believe me on that look at the LG optimus g pro well we're gonna look at that in a second what were you gonna say Steven no I'm sure like a lot of us I've been watching a lot of arrested development with the netflix coming out last month and say that that one's a freebie I've got it I've sososo got to watch that show because everyone around me has beds been wait you've never watched I've never watched it yeah I know right see Steven now you know how I feel whenever I'm on the podcasts not bring up a Star Trek joke and everyone it's just dead air and then one commenter four hours later is like I got it and like thank you thank you so much let's move on to Android if we can because we have burned through windows phone and there's going to be a whole lot more windows to talk about tomorrow android we're talking leaks still this is the leak show and we have seen some leaks out of motorola which we talked about last week with their ex phone but we've seen leaks of to me a more interesting device the motorola droid ultra stephen once again bring interesting ah yes well we will a alright so what is in thing about this to me is not the necessarily the hardware itself which looks like a basically an updated drum droid razr it is what it carries along with it in its wake which are the leaks about the droid ultra Maxx yeah anything with max tagged on the back of it is amazing and prints principally because I read a headline yesterday I think it was last night it wasn't one of ours and I don't remember who it was from but the headline was motorola droid ultra Maxx promises quote 48 hours of worryfree battery life and I guess that was coming that quote was coming from Motorola I don't I'm sorry I don't know where that came from i was like half asleep but that's exciting to me now we have some problems with these with this leak though right Steven we have some off-center buttons or something like that I don't know what to think about that someone pointed it out in the comments and sure enough it it's weird it's just off center and the the next render that leaked was the exact same way so it's consistent at least we're talking the home back in men uk's at the bottom they're like oh bumped over like what four or five pixels to the left right it just looks just weird enough to be it's not something you didn't see from an official officially made render yeah um why would motorola be going back to hardware buttons yeah there's that too i've heard people talking about how because these dart droids are gonna be on verizon maybe it was the carrier trying to push them to do this but it's weird yeah it is weird is on they don't actually refresh my memory guess the ex has software buttons we're seeing yea DX does i believe and the droid razr rim razor maximally all the old engine yeah the home screen yeah I know those but but I've got motor wheel of hardware let's look through some of these leaks and see what we got so while we're talking about stuff like design elements I mean it's it is also interesting that the droid with even though it's not called the razor anymore but the the razor design aesthetic is living on in these dirty too is what these are yeah exactly and this crit Taylor uh you but can you mute for a second yeah that's a little better it's funny because like the auto the auto volume will like gradually boost the gain if somebody hasn't said something in a while and all of a sudden there's a jet engine in my ear lovely yeah but so I'm I'm excited I'm surprised and excited to see that these that the razor aesthetic has lived on because I was worried it was going to just completely go by the wayside and I think tell me if you know tell me if you disagree i think this is entirely a verizon thing i think they want their hardcore you know militant droid heavy lifting phones and they're not maybe as enthused about this kind of puffy riverstone x design yeah i think verizon's had a lot of success with the key barriers razr and razr Maxis over the past two years and we've seen signs of Motorola trying to reinvent itself the new logo there was we know it's if it's a leak or just you know a design suggest him but there was that whole idea of a new campaign with goodbye moto and then it's reborn so I can see it wanting to distance itself from older brands so maybe it didn't want to make another razor this year and this is just its way of continuing on with the same the same things that have worked for verizon in the past but just making it a little 2013 given something rash if not much but yeah the designs still there and i really like that you see the little stripe of Kevlar up on the bottom on the front oh yes yes it's not just on the back right they've brought the Kevlar kind of finished right around to the front and even though there's no chin on the device it looks like it is just a little suggestion of that pattern on the bottom that is nice i didn't know i guess i love the feel of it it's very it's one of the more premium materials that we've seen and it really is it's it's like what i always imagined soft touch would graduate into remember when soft touch was new it was like 2005 I feel like was the first time I touched any kind of soft touch main travel time like this is way better than anything glossy or you know lame and I was like where's this going to go and Kevlar has the soft feel of that paint but with a you can feel that I love like that you can feel the texture of the weave patterns ya know it's one of the nice things about I enjoyed about reviewing the atrix HD for AT&T was that nice backplate knows about the only thing I drew it cheddar did you find what you were looking for um I wasn't looking for anything what are you talking about I thought you know hey don't way to shut up I know I didn't actually like the the feel of the atrix HD but but I did of the max I'm so I don't know it's ya see that weird well I liked I liked the max I continue to like the max but i never got hands-on time with it um I couldn't deal with the display uh yeah I don't I don't care about that pant I'll but let's talk about ultrapixels for a second can we cuz we're talking motorola already we got the motorola x up I will freely admit that I was not aware that there were that there was an alternate sub-pixel arrangement in a camera but that looks like what's rumored we got a leak out of showing some more Motorola X hardware which you know whatever it's the Moto exits it looks interesting whatever or it doesn't but the camera rumors are interesting right what's the story on this Steven the clear pixel yeah this leaked rom it was a guy from one of the various smartphone sites and forget which one he I think Google Plus out this announcement that it was the Moto X would have this clear pixel camera he didn't give many details and then all those people are Taylor Wimberly yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah he has been with the Android me they sold it right so he makes this this leak and then everyone's responding to it trying to get more details and he he gives us line it's going to I know it's going to put an end to blurry pictures or dark shots or something and then a little while later one of the commenters found that same line appearing in advertising or promotional copy from a couple years back where kodak announced its own clear pixel thing and use the exact same phrasing that he used here so we're not sure if this is a feature that kodak developed and motorola's licensing or I'm kind of wondering if maybe it's stories kind of being developed backwards and he started with a clear pixel name it gets kind of direction add up so it's unclear but if that is the case and this is the codec stuff we're talking about then it takes the the normal Bayer filter pattern which is a sub-pixel arrangement that uses a twice as many green pixels that's red and blue and Sam have a checkerboard pattern and it throws in these extra clear pixels so they're not going to register any color sensitivity but because they're clear they're going to let a lot more light in and so they can have a more they can deliver a more accurate brightness a sense of brightness to the sensor without so much digital noise because we're you know company to gain up so I right so it could end up looking and there was a sample that someone found in it let's look better you still get a little bit of noise and even though we're losing color resolution the eye doesn't really notice it so much yeah considering that this sample images from 2007 it looks like this is not bad it kind of almost looks like what might have happened if if a Lumia device had come out back then or it's like here's this kind of shady grainy dark picture and oh we've enhanced it and you let your right you can still see noise in the second shot but the fact that this is from six years ago it's actually pretty impressive so I did not I was not aware of the ties between this six-year-old development and this possible new clear pixel camera on the X but it'll be very very interesting to see whether this pans out I love that everyone is focusing on cameras now i love that the advancements and optics are what's driving this stuff because well i mean what else are they going to do what else are they going to do we've improved displays beyond belief already right you processors are also processed astley new good yeah yeah I mean we've got 1.9 gigahertz quad-core and we have any went seen an eight Snapdragon 800 yet we're up to tom went through yeah 2.3 and the 800 right yeah I mean I mean it's just we don't need much more than that we're looking at moving up to three gigs of RAM soon the only two things that are really left it need to be greatly improved our battery life and camera and software well all software is an ongoing thing it's something that's not hardware dependent so well not always hardware dependent so it's it's more rapidly updated than well not even not take that very fact batteries a hard thing to improve I mean developing I mean we're talking not just the engineering like with lenses and fabrication issues we're talking a lot of hard science into finding you know the right chemicals that are gonna be able to store you know more charge per cubic millimeter and it's a lot easier I think and maybe more visibly impressive to develop to work on increasing camera technology then working on battery life and that's you know sort of unfortunate but at least we're gonna really get cameras out of it yeah and I mean Motorola has something that nobody else is really doing and Samsung is but really only in their larger phones and that's gigantic batteries and phones that are still relatively slim yeah um so the fact that they can do that I think they really have something that they could run with here if they throw the two of them together have a great display they throw together a true flagship phone like this ultramax maybe yeah but you know it i but it's limited it's always gonna be limited because it's a specific device to it because it is for verizon yeah but you know they released the manx overseas as well and this is why i like having Tony on the show sometimes to provide this context this balance for motorola because anytime we talk motorola there's just like 10 minutes of silence from romania and I'm like tell me what do you think is like I don't care about motorola nope nobody over here cares about motorola and it's true like there I think Motorola's European presence has been flagging or just kind of non-existent for a long time and it's interesting because they're going to we have some speculation that they might be targeting the X at some European countries or something like the X or something like the X yeah but so that's not exciting in and of itself but as a part of a larger strategy maybe it is but my thing is you know guys you're absolutely right this is so exciting this motorola ultra Maxx and the razr maxx was exciting in the razr maxx HD was exciting but mamaia sold very well for verizon i just really never see them out on the street and I ultimate I didn't buy one giant neighbor has what i have seen I see him sometimes but I live in a very different part of the country i guess so i wanted it I wanted to raise her max really really badly but I what what did I not want to put up with i think was verizon I didn't want to put up with I have verizon and the only thing I didn't want to put upward with what's the pin tile display because I guessed killed never I looked at then and I don't think that made in USA this big new campaign for motorola is really going to help their international presence yeah true but you know what i think that's a good risk to take because no one else is really doing it except apples kind of half-heartedly doing it Lupul was just trying to well then goalies motor to me they are kind of the same company yeah held the Nexus Q though cuz it was so expensive okay it killed the Nexus cubic as the nexus q didn't have any simpler air in it yeah you did not need an amp Nexus Q as a redheaded stepchild from there for the day come up but i reckon i love mine i know i mean everyone know you have one i have one but he talks about it in every podcast one I didn't pay for it nobody paid no yeah I were trying to do that at the time I would have ordered what we need to get together with a you know Steven bring bring a Newton I'm gonna bring my pre three over and we'll get Taylor's Nexus Q and we'll just have a big pity party for ourselves it'll be fun yeah or maybe maybe I should just take my thermostat off the wall since it's broken and also a redheaded stepchild and uh there you go yeah I'd guess about that too it's right right we'll pour a little out or minus yeah I've got so many products that just kind of failed it flopped this is no good for the podcast but when we get the hangouts going again I found going through some boxes i found a toy walkie-talkie that looks just like one of those old like 1988 motorola brick some giant ones yes my favorite crop yeah i love that um tailored the guy who shared the the clear pixel camera stuff said Moto X will feature and always-on system thanks to its proprietary dedicated natural language processor with audio sensors noise estimators noise cancellation and speech speech recognition technology I'm sure this is all is listening would can be turned off but how does you know how does that affect privacy but so it would be always listening so you could see that's amazing dreaming about for a long time so you don't have to be in stupid s voice you don't have to be in Google now you just talk to the phone I don't like mistake ok Google and search right is he talking about when the phones on or like the Snapdragon 800 when it's often you can talk to it it might be the the that because that I mean I guess with that in the hardware which is an s4 that the Moto X is gonna have that doesn't have that feature so maybe it is just when it's on he's talking about yeah I think it's just when it's on I don't think it's gonna be like III think that would be a really tough thing to sell to sit in public I you know would like your phone's always listening to Jeff it's always listening isn't this like people like much fun and it's NSA connect yeah the new photo a prison life yeah so anyway let's uh let's let's let's let's just kind of plow through here I i got the rundown links disorganized but with us return to LG before we leave android behind we're um before we get away from motorola any guesses about what we're gonna hear about today or tomorrow all right tomorrow I'm still thinking is the 11 it's the tenth and the 11th the event is the tenth and the Olympic they said it's got the sniper to another medal wet but it's gonna be something that there's an aermotor related yeah Motorola's on display event is that what's going on it's a google developer event that's open to like 50 press and that's it it's private it's a private event yeah there's no July eleventh event for motorola and no moto x announcement it's a google event a young girl into google of Bullivant google event that's supposed to be motorola centric so something so it's a motorola event i don't know i don't know what it is um no but do you know the rumors were saying that it might be the Moto X and then they said no they're not gonna be in the Moto X and then they were saying it might be Android for dot 3 but that's not motorola centric so who knows what it is you're going to launch a bluetooth speaker yes I don't know yeah what time is this thing um I don't know well by the time this podcast comes out we will have we will have learned I mean we will have reported on it yeah hopefully so I don't know yeah any to do we want to talk about that at all anymore I mean we can I can look it up again if you wanted penny with any guesses what was going on it's it's so low profile that I actually didn't even know about it I heard about it I dropped on Friday that might be why you don't know it dropped on friday what last I got you yeah news of it dropped on Friday oh I was around on Friday wasn't I oh we were doing the podcast yeah yeah last week was the weird week anyway Google's 11th July precedent invite hints at moto x unveiling so this is an old this is old yeah if you find anything interesting about it let me know because I just want to talk about the fact that we are going to be there in August seventh for LG's event in New York City I'll be able to make this one actually I don't have to not go so hooray and the LG invite their the teaser for the event says great to have you and the G in the two are comically oversized so this is very obviously the g2 launch event and I wanted to take take your temperature on this guys because I am I didn't think I was going to be too excited for the LG optimus g2 we just gave away an optimist g it is on its way to Julian and Australia for as a result of our giveaway last week and a wheel I think a lot of us really liked the G here at Pocket now I know I certainly did it was responsive and and the hardware was very pretty but I wouldn't have been very excited for the g2 if it weren't for these leaks showing this cool stretched nexus 4 esque design so I'm pretty jazzed about it and I like the volume rocker on the back what do you leave things on Stevens not excited rocker on the back you don't I know and we know Taylor's opinion this because you wrote an editorial about it so you can chime in in a second why don't you like the volume rocker on the back it doesn't work for how I hold the phone when I'm watching videos or something I hold it by the edge and I like to be able to fiddle with the volume control sira do you just like to have it thumb accessible and you don't want to reach a finger on back I've got this whole thing out my pinky propped underneath to hold the bona fingers wrapped around the eggs their their position to hold it the same time where volume plenty to it I'm back I'm gonna be afraid up in a drop it or something and put on a phone call it's it's nice on a phone call that would oh I don't make phone calls always watch how many of us do but David Taylor you like the idea yeah well I was saying basically exactly what Stephen was saying it's a brilliant idea for those who talked on the phone a lot because it exists in Chile where your index finger rests it just rest there on the back of the phone but when you're using it for anything else it kind of poses a problem unless the buttons are really easy to press or maybe they're capacitive but then you might accidentally change the volume and you've got a whole it's kind of a we need to see it first like have it in our hands and figure out how it works more than then guess at it while we're talking about button placement I have a theory about those the droid ultra off-center buttons yeah what if it's optimized for right-handed users because I ended and screw those guys everyone in my immediate family is left-handed except me it odds are million to one don't you feel special yeah they're almost a bunch of sinister people I don't know what to tell you but what if it's slightly over to the side because most people are right-handed and you know when you're holding a bone in your right hand your thumb maybe the center's not the least this phone you know four point five five inches in size your thumbs not going to go to the center by depaul it's gonna be a little off to the left right no see I don't know I would move the buttons to the right in that case because if I'm right handed he was in the phone one-handed yeah I don't want to be stretching my thumb all the way over the left side of the device and I certainly don't to be doing that more than I would if they were center this is the L and I don't know x I don't want to believe that Motorola would be completely ignoring the fact that there are a lot of left-handed people in the world this is what I have been championing this is a very likely hear you but you know they are guys they are totally this is the secret they're totally rearranged ebinger tap and hold on them and you can drag them anywhere device you can move them around to the side if you want that would be motive role as hell first to optimize a phone for use with feet like I mean I don't know it I think somebody just can this Joe's taking it I think someone had just screwed up in photoshop so as people normally do with these renders like a nice rest in the market apartments like man this is gonna keep them busy for two weeks talking about her note a big it's like one of those google little itty-bitty hints that google drops yeah and and they wait to see if anybody actually notices in three weeks after they drop it people like oh my god because i stared at impressive in if I didn't wait too long you know can I tell you weak in the star trek into darkness screenshot likely no yeah yeah the one right where they hid a piece of crucial information about the film in the same frame as the half-naked Alice Eve that one yeah so nobody saw it yeah um I'm sucky at EDD gent at finding those leaks by the way cuz this LG one that I've been talking about the g2 event like when we ran this headline like LG all but confirms g24 August seventh event I didn't really look at the image all that closely it but I'm like wow that's a really bold headline how did they do that I don't know it's just black velvet what's that and then was like oh gee to grade to have yeah it's gonna get a giant G and a giant to on it that's pretty clever the and I want to punch anybody who ever uses the number two in the place of tio and I understand what they're doing here that is no excuse prince would kick your ass I'm saying he's a small guy though he's spread fierce what were you gonna say is 20 I don't remember we were talking about 10 seconds ago yeah it'll come by the past thought trast um the consensus on the speculation I suppose for this event that's happening tomorrow so the press event is happening tomorrow the developer event is happening today and tomorrow but the press event tomorrow the speculation is that there will be the new Nexus 7 which is likely because it's been rumored to be launching in July and it just pass through the FCC last month so maybe you can do it but though well in private yes and to why would motorola be making a nexus yeah so there's a lot that's kind of none of it really matches up for me others at the zoom was a great tablet bro yeah I had one at 2i what the was it a cyborg when others I bored yeah way to go verizon so oh yeah yeah let's get close it out with iOS before we had listener mail because I kind of wanted to talk about this earlier I wanted to segue into this with their camera talk but this is something that is exciting to me and the reason I put it in the rundown is because I wanted to get your opinion on it because it's an odd cash where we talk about things and no Taylor is going to say no thank you i appreciate you leaving captain troll Kevin for all TM it could Apple give the iphone 5s a slo-mo camera mode and news story from shut up Jeter story from Stephen shank and there's I guess this is based on code in the iOS 7 beta that there's a mogul camera mode that would allow for shooting video with frame rate as high as 120 frames per second and normally cameras on smartphones are shooting at 30fps and then more recently companies like HTC and Samsung have been throwing in this kind of slow mo mode where it'll it'll double that frame rate it'll shoot at 60fps and when you play it back at 30fps it's really cool rather than just slowing down 30fps footage which gets kind of jagged Samsung was doing something cool with this at the Galaxy Note 2 launch event for the US where they had a bunch of ping-pong table set up Taylor you and I r at that event together I was not yes you were there oh yeah I was just kidding yeah jerk you were there and I was there working and didn't see but like to yeah it's at the time you know you weren't working we're hanging out with the rest of us because there was nothing else to report on except the stupid verizon branding on the button so you were hanging around just wasting time with the rest of us and mark that's when Marquez Marquez and I had the ping pong game yeah I disappeared for like an hour and a half because it was actually here yeah I was working actually I was working too i was working in that pop up YouTube studio for a minute I was like hey guys it's a galaxy note 2 really don't have anything new to show you but I'm in a cool studio thank you samsung i had to shoot hands-on videos of devices that looked exactly the same he sure what was different so oh yeah hard times and then we went home because the verizon one had a verizon button on it yeah and then we went to go see a Kanye oh that was awful to but I did down a lot of our viewers that I did too I I met a David gamboa that that night instagram personality daveed and we had a wonderful time and i would now we friends but anyway listen we were playing ping-pong okay we were playing ping-pong and samsung had a galaxy note 2 setup to record in slo-mo and kind of stream the feed to a TV and you could see yourself playing ping pong in relatively slow speed and pretty good quality for how dark the room was so I like slow motion video and I think it's some pretty cool thing for manufacture to be putting in but what is it make sense that apple would try and play to this thing remember when I dropped the galaxy s4 active in the bucket of water at the end of the galaxy s4 active review you think I actually watch reviewed your shirt back watch watch thank you I want Thank You Stephen for pandering I watched most of I dropped this I dropped this phone in a bowl of water and I shot it with an HTC one I shot mostly review of my regular camera but I shut this shut with my HTC One at whatever 60fps and it's just so nice and silky the gym to watch this this slow motion action and of course if you're not doing phone reviews you can take a video of your kid on a swing or you can take a video of a boat going through the water or something you know whatever but I why don't you think this is a possibility Taylor or are you just being a troll oh I'm just I'm just rolling so do you think it's about I think it's likely i think it's something that the iphone is not historically had and i think that they're gonna go for it you're just not sure that the processor that they're using is going to be able to support maybe 1080p 120 frames per second because that's where nobody's it didn't well they all down sample the resolution we needed at higher for it so it's you know 720p if you're lucky you need to go to gopro hero3 to shoot at full res and yeah and high so basically what you'd have to do is is dumb this down to like Instagram status for for super slow motion yeah but well you wouldn't have to go that low you could do it and they I have a feeling they could do it in 720p at 60 FPS but this is rumored up to 120 fps I don't know oh yeah yeah so at 100 120 you'd have to be at yeah I like 640 by 480 years this xga video is super slow motion get out your magnifying glasses right there's no apples I got its custom chips for it maybe it has something up its sleeve that'll be able to handle all these pixels yeah and she's gonna hell it's all its handling iOS 7 to blue well you know anything any on neon colors don't need all that much technical process issues aside I think idea rings very true to something that apple would do absolutely actually see the commercial like I was like yeah there's so much that happens inside a second piece yeah another water drop all right yeah and dots floating around all over the place yeah random daughter so much we miss in our day-to-day lives don't know where will you can today that playing planes is somebody in the background playing a one string guitar bean we know in real life the only thing that this is actually going to be used for is like slow motion video of your best friend eating like a cheeseburger or something oh let's go a dog shaking his head real fast yeah oh of course when this drops let's all like take photos of pouring milk into serial really slowly like it's a Kellogg's commercial you know we're moving forward with this terrible quality we are moving forward to answer one piece of listener mail and then where we're gonna call it a show hey pocketnow team says Alec song with the present of the great low-light performance phones do you guys think flashlights still serve their purpose to brighten up the environment or just be there to replace the traditional torchlight so I had to read this a couple times to write to get the meaning this is a weird thing we ran a new translation like issue I think alex is asking considering the fact that so many phones now have excuse me not so many that a few phones now have really great low-light performance does the camera flash still serve its purpose primary purpose as a camera flash or is it going to be relegated to like flashlights status for like finding stuff in your dark basement you know to man and I think it's a really good question because I never use the flash on my lumia or my HTC One burr cuz I hate waiting on lashes let's now look I'll make the camera yeah make photos look unless you're really good at composing unless you've got a large distant object in the background at dusk and you want to illuminate the foreground you want to illuminate a subject in the foreground with a with a quick xenon flash blast I get that yeah but never put a little pinprick LED isn't going to do it right but a xenon flash will I kind of Lumia 928 or something like that but you're right the dual LED spot is not going to do that terribly well so yeah i think it's i don't know i don't think there's really an answer to this question I think manufacturers are still going to ship flashes on all their phones and people are still going to use them for as many purposes as they as they can but to me this just recalled all of the the wonder of the days of of not being able to control your flash do you guys remember when you couldn't light up your spotlight on your phone manually like in order to use it as a flashlight you had to start rolling a video with the spotlight on oh yeah oh yeah no you know there's a little app or something oh no there wasn't like they're not in the days of blackberry or in the days of dumb phones either like there was no there was never any torture app you just had to like start rolling a video with your dumb phone or if I didn't even have a camera on my dumb phone and it only worked for about like 30 second right because either one the video is limited to 30 seconds or two you only had enough memory in the phone for 30 seconds idea exactly so you still use the camera for like for like 30 seconds stop it delete the video and start again I still have so many old pictures or videos on my hard drive of like five years ago or seven years ago with just like a dark hallway kind of going by in the fringes of the cameras vision because i'm using the thing as a as a flashlight but yet so and i remember guys when the in the app store opened up in the i forgot which which iphone it was that let us see the 3g and the 3gs didn't have flashes right I didn't the original didn't and the throat injury just did not either so is the for that was the first one with the flash and when the first guy who released a flashlight app for iOS like previously that had not been allowed by the App Store rules but he just decided to try and submit it anyway and it got through and because it had been so long that anyone had tried to check like he just racked up I think was 99 cents he made like 30 thousand dollars in a week or something like that because everyone downloaded his flashlight out so anyway I don't know that's it's this has been a life nice launching point into nostalgia but Alex I think people are still going to use it people are not like us I don't think I see a lot of people whenever they're in the dark with their cell phones taking shots with the flash and I think people are still going to use it equally as much if not more than as a torch and it's good to have options it is now you can choose to use it we choose not to use it but there are those situations where you want to do it for you know compositional reasons so if you can have the option why not exactly yeah exactly right um I forgot to read that email earlier the one I told you about remember oh that one no yeah no scrolling to my tabs and I found it again besides I thought it was yeah I thought it was funny because it starts with do your purchasing manager yes dear purchasing manager this is Jackie from son Ryan technology in China the new cell season is or has been coming we recommend you our hot selling products and model number s are 108 portable pocket power charger for your reference ah or other problem for other portable chargers products in our website for your choice Sincerely Yours Jackie O I'll see that's nice it's the personal touches yeah I like that person purchasing man well you know it's kind of like addressing a letter to like dear hiring manager or dear you know like yeah this is my dad yeah let's talk about one more thing this comes to us from Ryan by the way I want to mention listeners that we have some really awesome pieces of mail in here that I can't get you on this one because we don't have the right people on the show Stan we Tyler robot we do also sound horrible so we just have to end the show as quickly as possible but we're going to get to your really specific Android questions in a future episode once we have the proper people here Steven your conditioning yeah and arrogance yeah we got to get Taylor off the show before he before he completely expires but this is from our friend ryan field again ryan recently got a galaxy s4 and he's okay with the plastic bill but he says i was wondering if there was a solution to the cheap feeling that some lows i'm writing you today to say that i've found the solution on ebay there are replacement backs for the galaxy s4 that are made of aluminum here is the link and what I'm doing in the skype chat right now is dropping that same link to you gentlemen and I'm clicking on the link right now just so I can see what's going on and yes there's a brush metal battery back cover for the galaxy s4 and you know what I gotta tell you it looks pretty good it looks like the back cover for the galaxy note 2 actually it looks like that kind of same horizontal brushed thing it's got some machined holes for the speaker phone down the lower left and it even has a nice little rim flange around the camera to brighten that up a little bit and it looks like comes different different colors so that's pretty cool um I wouldn't I if I had a galaxy s4 I would probably buy this I would be a little concerned about how the radio performance would would do you know because that's not a phone that was designed for a metal back cover but if you're willing to to lose a couple dbm maybe and feel like you're carrying a metal phone I think it sounds like a good idea that's not bad looking no no baby I mean we can if you guys want will drop the we drop the link in the in the rundown so that your biscuit you're in town for paying with paypal I have been dead against them sort of it oh that's not actually metal Oh what look at the inside is plastic uh whoa well yeah it is isn't that yeah it's plastic what is this lesk what is this garbage hey Ryan we don't know what's going on there might look at the fight wait wait look at the mirror image yeah features materials metal and plastic metal and plastic red that's what I was just getting chromed up blasting I wonder if it's just like this yeah like a brushed on or I sprayed on layer of pho I wonder if this is basically it I like thing yeah we should get one and find out yeah we should you know what I love I like that the galaxy s4 branding is blurred out on these shots even though it's very obvious that it's one of the galaxy s4 cuz cuz it's countered and I remember getting a bunch of was it sony memory stick well that so we had their proprietary memory cards for the PSP and order it from some chinese site and it comes with this little sticker over and you peel it off and it says sony underneath i have no faith is this an actual sony product but right when a sticker on it and everything's kosher oh yeah of course it's just like putting that round disc sticker over the apple logo on any laptop on TV yes and you're like oh let me know there is yeah your sticker yeah those nice well I thank you guys for for helping me Ryan thank you for sending that in we would be very interested to see to hear from anyone who's bought one of those will drop the link in the rundown and we'll we'll talk about those weirdo covers maybe never maybe next time we just don't know Alex thank you also for your question about spotlights and for allowing us to reminisce about the days of dumb phones as you overnight of those apps good see final note here while we're still talking about alternate cases here has anyone seen this guy hooter and a galaxy note 2 into something like a 270 gigabyte storage 8,000 milliamp hour handset no plea you need to share that link i will try and pull it up he basically just put a huge battery on it an alternate back and a microsd to SD adapter and bought a thousand-dollar 256 gigabyte SD card wow that is awesome that guy doesn't need a computer it is going large oh man please please please share that with me because I think I kind of want to write about that or do something with it amazing cool well cool thanks for that interesting note and Stephen thanks for starting off the show talking about what it's like on the news side of the team I don't think we get your perspective enough and it'll be great to have you back on the show again soon ain't no thing come back anytime you want sweet man thank you and Taylor as usual I've had a difficult time overcoming you know the difficulties of you being my co-host but I think we've survived another word yeah of course um can I just add that I had to transfer one of the first suits transfer be first transformer pad whatever it was in yeah he pad pad transformer whatever get around uh I had a close to 300 gigabytes on that thing why is it oh wow that's heinous like crazy so I gotta go restore one of my old hard drives now that talking about all these extorted capacities I realize in bubble wrap I have this crashed hard drive from my an old laptop I'm sitting in my closet so I got to take that to like a data recovery place because now i want to see all my old pictures none man should bring your wallet with you I know I know oh it's sad okay anyway while I go do that while Stephen goes and reports on the news and while Taylor tries to cool off in some coffee shop somewhere i'm going to call it an end to episode 05 to our one-year anniversary episode of the weekly congratulations to us 052 is coming to a close you must find us on twitter steven is at Stephen shank ste pH en s CH en ck Taylor is at pirtek and even though Stephen doesn't talk very often on Twitter stay tuned for more news on where you can reach stephen and all of the rest of us in a different venue one might even say a forum more news on that next week mmm yes but also follow pocket now officially a pocket now on twitter as baka now on facebook and google+ leave us a review on iTunes or Xbox music cuz that helps us out and we like it and if you have a topic question or suggestion for the podcast or you just want to hear your name read on the air like those 2 lucky gentlemen before email us podcast at pocketnow.com sincerely thank you for listening we'll see you next week I'm gonna switch over i feel like i'm hearing the bandwidth change Taylor's and Taylor talk for a second hello I muted myself oh you meet her just oh well that that explains the pumping quality oh wow that was exciting what was that that was the boat passing by in the grass you