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and we're live in the recovery room the emergency part 2 of the pocket net weekly you will not believe what happened folks if you're just watching this video you want some context you want to know why all the fancy stuff isn't happening well everything broke and things caught on fire someone died probably somewhere in some server for ya far away and it is not at all guaranteed that this will continue to work we had a board failure and then I googled kicked me out in the middle of a live hangout it decided to challenge my authentication do it which triggered the two-factor authentication which means that I was waiting for a text I was waiting for a text message should show up on my phone of course the phone doesn't have any reception the studio said to go upstairs and the phone decided just not to connect to the cellular network until we were back here and I hit the button i started this one and then i got my confirmation text from google so sorry about the mess everyone sorry to those of you who that we have no viewers right now we have no no live viewers but later in bernal hill stack up on youtube and we'll see how it goes so very sorry yes i will tweet it once you you guys tell me where you were when i had to go spend 20 minutes on the sidewalk waiting for a text message what you guys can finish talking about the motorola valentine's day sale very good then cam are you are you still are you still with us in this in this roughshod amateur still I still ready bush league bullshit you know you know William we in Britain pride ourselves on doing things adequately or slightly less than adequately well that's what well that's exactly what's happening on today's episode of the partner with yourself folks and let's move right on and if we're done talking my motorola let's move on to whatever the hell the next thing is on the run down samsung samsung is gonna be the new galaxy phone who knew so what does the start we have a way of a render which always is just the most exciting thing they're getting more interesting yeah they know they are and I actually do like renders a little better than I like leaked photos so just even tell us what's cool what's going on as I tweet the link to the new show sure um we've been seeing a rush lately of renders non officially source but based off of informations already been leaked based on pics based on schematics and very talented 3d designers are putting together these renders that are going to give us probably the the best idea we have so far of what these models are going to look like they may be often this is again it's based on information that's not official to begin with but they look pretty polished we saw some really cool HTC One m9 ones the other day and then those are follow it up shortly thereafter by a new galaxy s6 render now we've seen a lot of galaxy s6 renders thanks to case makers those are often covered up though you didn't know we've seen some of transparent cases look pretty good but this latest render it's a little bit different I mean little bit different than some of those earlier ones it's based on a more recently provided set of schematics and it's just showing a little bit of differentiation the only things I noticed really were some moving around of the the proc sensors up top and the home button look has been constantly changing no one really seems sure what to make of this home button this new ones a little bit larger than we saw before at least be taller larger and kind of squatter looking assumably we have another fingerprint sensor embedded in there but it looks pretty nice you still have that kind of prominent camera out back getting past the otherwise flat exterior and it does seem to be more pronounced than it was on the the galaxy s5 but I guess we can live with it um it's also this one doesn't show us the actually I wanted to show us the underneath you a little bit and yeah it's kind of ripping off the iphone 6 but yeah I can live with that I in a hater what do you guys think of this new look I mean as far as I'm concerned Stephen this is not at all surprised nothing about this is a surprise to me it looks a lot like a samsung phone it looks like it looks reasonably classy I don't know if I'm there's nothing here for me to complain about rejoice in or otherwise comment on it just looks like what that's out galaxy s6 would look like it's painfully predictable I mean and it's not people are going to second dog and Samsung I'm not it's just this is what happens when you have a manufacturer going into its sixth iteration of an increasingly homogenized category like ah it's yeah whatever it's whatever if this render is it all accurate camp what's the word it's so obviously with it being metal it's going to be a bit more solid than last generation from a design standpoint it looks like a galaxy device okay I don't know that's a bad thing or a good thing we'll see when we go looks like this the band-aid design isn't coming back so that's simply you know what you like me you like sugar the guy either died having someone I know I I saw the blue the electric blue with the dots and I just thought it'd look really cool oh i mean i'll give you the electric blue yeah yeah the electric blue wasn't you know when um when they reduced the scale of the of the dots for the galaxy alpha when it was much more of a stipple a very subtle stipple and not so much the golf-ball dimples oh my god that that looked tremendously great so maybe we'll see something similar on this this new one yeah right yeah I wouldn't help the things we've seen so far this is based on I don't think that the texture is very set in stone this seems were based on measurements and and layout things than actual material so this is very well could be one of the loosest parts of this particular render but it's a lead I think the one thing that maybe concerns me ever so slightly know if you look on the back of the render where the metal chassis or the frame looks quite rounded at the corners it worries me that it's not going to be flush with the back of the with the back of the phone I'm not sure you know when you might just catch a hare renewable something have if you if you have facial hair what was that phone yo it's just something you think was I thought it was a Sony's e3 man everyone's like oh my god we had so much dust stuck in there that I cool down it's gonna like it's like those grates in a bridge it expands and contracts based on thermal variation oh no that was the note for then yeah yeah between the gorilla glass it was a samsung and the metal bit yeah yeah at the same time people are complaining about that and they were complaining about been gate on the iphone 6 plus then people found a sony phone like somebody found a sony phone and did like an extensive text piece or a way to long video on how like it traps your hair and like pulls out your hair when you're when you're talking the phone with it and it was just you it was like there was plenty of news for us to talk about in the fall but everyone was acting like there was no anyways and we had to go find some stuff to complain about on every phone ever oh my god it was terrible um while i'm going to this room seems to be working nicely and i'm gonna reenlist oh so while I do that I want to hear about iOS Adam but before we move on to that I guess melted to comment one of the stories that came down the pipeline this morning as we're putting this podcast together samsung started teasing the next Galaxy they're not calling it the galaxy s6 by name get on social media and it changed its Twitter user icon to this skwerkel circle inside icon and it's also shows up in the video itself but it very much looks like the camera we see on this guy the circle I think it's a little bigger in Samsung's thing but it's it's close i'm pretty sure that it's going to focus a lot on camera performance being a major selling point of the gsx hadn't we heard that the GS 6 was going to come with a 20 megapixel sensor what was the rest I came out the other day that was about Sam in some of the insider source talking about the camera on there but I wouldn't be surprised to go 20 mega know it follows I mean you know 20 megapixel sensors are nothing new we've seen them on the the Lumias we've seen them on the Sony's and a couple others and you know it Samsung does like to have substantial spec pumps to point to when they come out with a new flagship piece of hardware and the resident the added resolution doesn't really hurt anything and certainly we talk about it is not being the defining characteristic of a smartphone camera but it's certainly great to have if you're trying to do some digital zoom you know mm-hmm do we think it's going to affect the dave the low life capabilities though i mean if they're pointing to the cameras abilities than OAS is probably gonna be bundled in so i'm not worried because it's big you have to think that there's some substantial hardware in there can make this thing jutting out to the extent that it is that was my first thought with the the amount that it actually sticks out it's it's got to be at least half decent in low light otherwise they just make it again flush with the back of the phone wouldn't man so right or maybe they're just copying Apple II cuz Apple has a protruding camera now so I another one of those things when we had to find things to complain about like there wasn't any people news last fall yeah really oh speaking of Apple what's what's the story on the larger apps that are landing in the store that are now they're not landing yet but are now authorized for the store and they've been there apparently that Apple's been like on the sly letting these in since a little earlier in the year now it's formal Apple has raised its limit on App Store app size from 2 gigabytes to 4 gigabytes that doesn't change anything about you still have that hundred megabyte over-the-air limit which some users are frustrated about would like to have that choice there's to make rather than apples whatever you can always find a Wi-Fi spot later even have to wait till you're at home but now it's a possibility to get bigger than ever apps which it's kind of a double-edged sword I mean while it allows developers to put a lot more content in there and to make you know Microsoft that we're talking about universal apps this is probably going to mean some even higher quality larger high-profile titles for especially for gaming you get in the whole pc xbox moving that so same titles over to the phone if that's going to be a bigger competitor in the future Apple wants to have more high-quality titles of its own so add four gigabytes gives developers more room for resources you know characters textures it's just going to be a richer experience all around of course this means if you a smaller phone no you're going to be hitting the walls of your storage limits very very quickly so maybe 60 gigabytes won't be the lowest option for the next iPhone maybe a 32 gigabyte model will come back as the minimum but you wanting 128 gigabytes if you want to be safe even though Apple will charge you you know your firstborn son for the the privilege of having a phone such capacity this reminds me of a pitch email I got this week to cover a pc game that's a first-person sci fi game whose name I don't remember but we could we didn't we opted not to cover it because we don't cover pc gaming but I was like Dan well we didn't yet really you know I mean I think about it we're thinking about it so then I would but I was like oh my god if you guys did a mobile port of this i would love to cover this and they said that that's in their plans so okay cool but it just puts me in mind of that cuz that looked like a very graphically demanding title and i was like you know we're seeing more and more advanced games and mobile so this makes all the sense in the worlds of four gig lemon in just 2 i'll bit like you said stephen allow give developers the you know resources and the space needed to make higher quality titles now what are the appli- what are the capacity limits on other platforms did we do we know that's like a question i don't know i don't know either and i wonder how this affects the i'm often not often using but I've seen apps where you download the main app and then the first time you run it it's got to go and download crapload of resources from its server that it puts the focus oh yeah so 20 megabyte download but it balloons to 300 megabytes after it downloads all the you know the tracks the levels that whatever have you I wonder how that it looks like Android expanded their app size limit to four gigs back in 2012 according to a post on Android developers dot blogspot and then there are people who have found apps that are beyond a 50 meg limitation for the initial download and then the expansion apks afterwards so it's its head for for a while wonder what windows phone is not that it necessarily matters much given Menon eggs state of the yeah given the state of the games uh you know categories in the Windows Store but look at him I also have something in December didn't Apple tell all up and developers that they had to have 64-bit support yeah although get in all their out so that might make a small difference speaking of other platforms I was trying to wake up the the a30 here to to be my podcast assistant and it just snot waking up right now so every piece of technology we touch today yeah this is the technical preview so we expect that but every piece of tech we touch today is just breaking all around us I'm looking at all of my humble bundle android games here Tennessee but the largest one is looks like chunking bytes is the largest one that developers have been did you ever play Republic république sorry on ipad that was he that was a huge download know what was république about heard should i should i download this friendly thing I don't you should it's by a developer called camouflage and am I think some of the guys they used to work on things like Metal Gear Solid on the PlayStation years ago and it's it's like an exploration game but graphically it's quite intense there's a lot of space to move around in the map it's there's lots and lots of data and you paid quite a lot for the initial download and that got you the first chapter and then you could pay again to get the next few episodes so you end up paying maybe fifteen dollars all in but you get this huge game that takes up all the space on your iPad if I ever had if I ever want to download anything videos or content I always have to download delete that one first before I can go and do anything else it's 1.1 gigs guest for the base download here yeah and then there's expandable there's downloadable content after the initial download yeah crazy man it's a pickup I gotta add that to the list after I finally played the room to which I think I've had on my device for eight months and haven't gotten around to playing yet but I got through that in about two hours I think oh damn alright well the gauntlet has been thrown doing tonight let's pivot to wearables please Android wear is has there's some metrics on the market today metrics on the wire today about the market and these have been released by analysts and we got it from here or not seeing more though so kind of let's talk a little bit about it left out a lot of details it said that we saw in the past year in 2014 there were about 4.6 million smart wearables and it uses that to mean any sort of wrist born he's wearing your ankles anything it's not a clip-on design and that can run its own software or run third party software it draws a line between wearables like fitness trackers and and smart luckiest because sometime that it's a little blurry where the distinction is there yeah the ability to and it doesn't necessarily mean apps that you run directly on the watch like a full-on like a watch it runs straight up Android not Android where it's even counting things like pebble which are loaded by the app on the phone onto the watch but 4.6 million of these total which is a decent number but of them and we where it sees only making up about 720,000 of them which is less than 15 or just over fifteen percent we don't really have a lot of context because is a very new market but everyone found that figure a little surprising i mean granted Android wear a lot of the really compelling models like the Moto 360 didn't come out until you know close to the end of the year with guesting on every once before at December there but still 720,000 doesn't sound like a lot no it doesn't and especially when you consider that it's not sold but it's shipped yeah yeah this does not take into account models that are sitting there on the shelf i think it was Giga MIT who suggested that there's a lot of you know Gear Live is possibly sitting on the shelf at Best Buy waiting to move for months and months so to kneel yeah I was just I was just gonna say how many of those are things that Samsung is over prepared for and just shipped millions of Samsung gear devices right but but no but your devices are in a totally different category though too because that that's that was the surprising part to me where I was like you what percentage did we did we say it was the 720,000 that was a slow pitch 15 a little over fifty to eighty five percent of the rest of them are that's Tizen Tizen yeah really that many people buying buying ties and smart watches you of them could be like these giant Kickstarter's the ones that actually run full blown android on them but I can't imagine it's a very large fraction and I don't have the detailed breakdown to look at I don't see a lot of people running around wearing like Neptune pine yeah merchants you know awesome sweetie everybody at a tablet but you know I that that just was stunning to me because I think of of the options despite despite androids where's numerous shortcomings I do think it is the it is the leading platform right now in terms of utility in terms of striking the right balance between utility and user-friendliness if you have an android phone of course cam what are you wearing is that a fitness wearable you've got on or what this is the up24 the jawbone it's not a SmartWatch I have a motor in 3d I have a moto 360 over there somewhere and to pebble steals over there as well that whatever interest yeah well the reason out I get one that was it was faulty the the screen was wrong and they sent me a replacement and they never collected the old one so i have a few Merrill's deals one leather one metal so why are they not making a home on your on your wrist cam is it just you're just not sold on the the category you don't like those particular in our guinea sick of them yes like a charging and what's the deal I love the Moto 360 but it's I think it's more to do with the fact that I change phones so often that I don't want to have to keep repairing and reconnecting so isn't it frustrating yeah so I I mean the Moto 360 would normally be on my wrist but it hasn't been for a few days yeah it's flat and I haven't bothered to charge it but that's all it is really yeah gotcha I've actually woven that in rather well to my gym to my daily routine like a guy come home of Zuko we've got a better drop a phone on the Qi charging plate and I dropped the Moto 360 on its own little cheap edisto land it works out pretty well it would work out even better if my Moto X had qi wireless charging because oh yeah that on the Qi charging plate and it looks nice oh it doesn't really do anything but it's it's I don't mind it the only thing time I mind i think i mentioned last week is when i go over to stay over my girlfriend's house here it's a sleepover with my buddies and i have to bring a motorola a charger for my for my SmartWatch which is really anyway I this is directly related to rumors out of HTC talking about a new wearable with a really really funny screen dimension which says to me I'm probably not going to care too much about it on account of maybe it's a fitness band Steven unlock the mysteries for me heavy so HTC rumors have been flying for literally years that it's working on a wearable of some kind the company acknowledged this that it would do a wearable when it made sense when I could do a really good one last year we saw there was a promotional video HTC release that made it look like someone in the cubicle had a very smart watch looking thing they were working on companies like none and nothing like that just yet so now we're wondering if yet is finally coming around and there have been numerous suggestions at mwc will finally be when HTC gets ready to reveal it it's for a SmartWatch as that's coming up we're hearing a few more details and this hardware is starting to sound less like a SmartWatch and more like a fitness tracker Ella Microsoft's efforts so yeah there's that weird display a very rectangular 32 x 160 pixels which sort of screams to me fitness and not a square SmartWatch face and there's talk of accessories like a a pad that would slide into your shoe kind of like that old the nike thing for the ipod what was that call it what they had a shoe accessory for that thing yet for the losing like a nike+ fit thing I don't nobody was cold yeah flipped onto your shoe to use that say you know pedometer there yeah okay but something like that that would but it would be like an insert that would I don't know if is we heard about something a while back that would like analyze your how you were walking and try to give you advice on carrying yourself better I don't think that's what this is there's no in yet that it's so advanced but it's very fitness focused so also probably not an Android wear device they talked about this using a real-time operating system that may be based on Android but not running Android apps not you know just probably using the colonel if even that and not connecting with Android we're compatible software on your phone this would be HTC's own no thing and one reason for that might be to give it broader a device compatibility we hear especially likely iOS connection might be something she's going for here and I guess that is it might be a way to get the sails up to a workable level if we're seeing this you know these android wear numbers being as low as they are the fact that you're tied to using there with an android device may be part of that granted Apple users are going to be heavily drawn to the apple watch will finally start selling in a couple weeks but if there's a a that's going to be relatively expensive even for the most affordable option there it is an apple product after all but if HTC can do a really cheap thing it's decent no why not doing something to consider especially if it's more lightweight than the Apple watch this may give iOS users a reason to consider a product from another manufacturer yeah I guess the question will be is there space in between you know things like the jawbone or the Fitbit and the Apple watch for iphone owners who want to buy a wearable and it will depend on what this what this wearable from HTC actually offers if it offers anything if it's if it is real that screen measurement thing I mean I think it's possible to make a good looking device in this form factor they think the gear fit looked really good and it felt really good and it worked really well thank God it's a weird middle ground here between very bare bones but very hardware simplistic fitness trackers ones that don't have screens but they do have incredible battery life and they often have great connectivity options of devices on the far end you have the smart watches that are the battery hogs with the big disc ways that can run a lot of powerful softer themselves maybe have some mutations with other devices that can work with they're just middle ground with their fitness like fitness tracker plus they'll have a screen they might have some extra features on there but price goes up a lot you start to lose some of those battery savings and I don't know if it's a a worst of both worlds or best of both worlds situation yeah i think it's it's one of those things I mean the fitness tracking market is quite full now but like you say there's one the area where it's not full is things like the Fitbit surge which is a fitness tracker that looks a bit more like a watch so if that's the kind of thing that HD are going for that's got a display that's got it all the fitness tracking stuff as well then they haven't really got that much competition except i guess samsung but then Samsung products won't work with an iphone so then it's it might be clever it might not be clever hey you don't know we don't know what could be amazing it's gonna have make a huge difference here battery life is going to be something everyone's concerned about I think until we have those answers and did I wonder did that come out in this week I talked about the think you guys are are overlooking the really compelling thing about this which is that is this RT OS is just a rewritten build of windows RT so you know it's gonna be really really great yeah way it's gonna be it's about Lee for windows phone right this is the show although i would buy that i would buy an HTC made Windows Phone wearable in a hot second but I'm their lifestyles would work really well on the square screen they show absolutely just just a little swipe it's going about something to you guys I'm I'm looking forward to talking about that HTC they more rooms I'm so I'm so I'm just so pissed off still and i need about our technical problems and i need something that's going to put me into a better mood we don't have a sound drop for it we don't have I don't know if we have an animation for it I don't know if we have anything to usher us into this little corner of our friggin podcast but it's a segment we've done once before it's called nerd nostalgia I love it and this is what we're gonna do right now let's talk about the past hellos are you ready because this is the only thing that's gonna make me happy right now is thinking back to do that over a decade ago to when things were different and simpler and that could make livejournal.com updates from my blackberry yeah when Nokia ruled the world yeah oh yeah indeed okay and palm together so this is segment folks last time we had this thing we talked about amps the advanced mobile phone system or analog telecommunications that was a lot of fun this time we're talking about an era when phones were made to be small they weren't made to be highly functional so the most advanced things you could hope to find in a cell phone store were you know they were like the size of like little like maybe um maybe the droppings of a large raccoon like I think that was the target cross section for for us for a mobile phone in the in the days of the dumb phone because you wanted it to be as pocketable as possible but also you had people saying well I'd like to use my calendar I'd like to get my rolodex on here I'd like to do my task list and such such things and for that you had dedicated devices called personal digital assistants yes and he's been our guest and since I think he is the coolest thing on the air right now cam Bunton what was your first PDA and and and how did it change your life my first PDA I didn't I think it 10 years ago I don't think I actually owned one but i remember the first one i actually bought was i think it was an HTC made device but it was a carrier branded one it was an MDA vario which was Windows Mobile one of the first smartphones yes one of the first yeah no I mean those windows mobile which was basically a pocketable version of I guess windows XP with all of the fiddly menus of the stylus but recently I bought this which is the Ericsson r380 and I bought this just because I remember seeing them at the time thinking that's really cool and somebody was selling it on eBay and that is a PDA in there with a touchscreen and then you flip it over and it's a it's a regular mobile phone visible anymore was that analog sell this is analog yes only and like not digital at all I don't think it's digital i'm not sure i think its analog in it so it's got a flip-down keyboard like the later p 9 hundreds would have with a numeric on the outside and or no just a numeric on the inside what what what Sonny just outside but if you look on the on the back of the flip you see it's got like little buttons but I've presses down on the screen so in the black and white of a LCD yeah we didn't have a back way um I can't tell wish I remember that one of these kia said it had like it had a big old black and white LCD but it had a sweet green backlight that we have yellow or green lights around the sides that aren't really diffuse properly yeah I read stead of the breakpoints oh man I think this might be digital I think it may have out really early I'm not sure it's some it was way back in the day when mobile internet was whack and it was black and white on your screen and you couldn't really do much with it and it's like hours to load and nobody really had a web page right and every time you've made a request I'm you clicked a link you'd see the sending and receiving arrows you go on forever before the page.reload yesterday yeah but you could set it had a browser you could send emails calendar tasks it was a phone and a little PDA in your pocket now this was made by ericsson was this before integrated Wi-Fi chip set because i was it was the mobile network your only option for that yes your mobile network was the only option so you had GPRS or the mobile network i think you know when you when you wanted to connect to the browser i can't really test it now cuz i never got the settings working but it actually you shows you like a little dialing screen it says Kylie like it's what you have to put a phone number in the internet settings for it to connect to in order for you to get in is basically mobile dial-up yeah I ran into their own I ran into that when I was doing the throw back on the on the clay that's on the screen where it was like yet has the software for for a you know a modem connection but doesn't actually have a moat a minute so you have to get a modem that has an IR port or you have to drop the thing into the cradle then it can dial up yeah yeah because you could do data through the IR port on the clear that one doesn't have its own cellular radio that's correct no cellular radio no Wi-Fi radio no no bluetooth I mean that was I know why either is it this has infrared to what were you supposed to use it for this was in a period when this is what we Stephen this was amazing work in the am i right yeah in the world like you could carry it with you throughout the day and somebody would be like hey meet me for coffee on Saturday like okay I'm putting that in my account it's exactly app on iOS yeah so so you could put it in and be like okay I got my calendar and then you have like a shopping list down here now and I've got some mp3's that I want to listen to and when i get home i drop it in the cradle that's plugged into my machine and then it sinks everything it does the hot sink which you know is listening hot term yeah but my friends had a palm tungsten do you remember those oh yeah the taking i was like very premium wasn't it wasn't like a gunmetal finish and very nice looking at was but i think they may have had bluetooth and so you could have oh I don't know maybe he somehow managed to send and receive emails on the move and I don't know how he did it absolutely this the foldable keyboard as well with the little just hold it up and put it in your pocket used to sell those that nextel for black bears you you'd fold up the key was a full-size qwerty but it had like three joints in it that so it would accordion into a four segments thing that went into then like a metal wallet that you would get and it was so cool yes it was you deploy it at you know and like the coffee shop the laundromat wherever the hell yarns extinct all right and then you plug in your tiny blackberry to a full-size keyboard like now I'm ready to work yeah exciting things like that I was been watching this uh this vh1 series where this girl time travels back to the 90s which is just like four people it's obsessed with retro tech this is because the dream come true the old thinkpad that had the keyboard that you opened the screen and it kind of spread out do you guys remember this wait the old it was an IBM his idea think that it kind of it the keyboard was it compacted in it kind of went up and down and left and right and as you open the screen it went Chuck trunk and it became a full sized wider than the body of the laptop that's Hannah so awesome no I've never stabbed although I did see when I uploaded this sony CLE a video someone else was talking about twitter he had a different version of the sony hey that was um it was like a tiny notebook like it was it was about you know this big was by the size of maybe an old sidekick or something like that and it would open in landscape mode and you'd have like a full landscape keyboard and a little hinge and a little monitor and it was like a kid it looked like exactly like what a futuristic object in a 1980s cartoon would have would have looked like from scotts my pocket computer and it's also cool Jules has the video of the sliding keyboard come on up I had never seen them I remember why I was thinking of this I had a little dock for my dell axim x30 that was just like this where it would open up and fold out and become I mean it's super cramped still but a little more usable my god there's there was so much cool stuff at the beginning of the previous decade that we as people you know are you filled with form factors and all that kind of stuff but the iphone killed everything cool about technology because now everything just looks the same and does the same thing that needs to be a minimal slate right yeah that's so there's nothing more boring you remember um I was watching a film I think one of the Marvel films once and yeah it was it was it was the first Ironman and Tony Stark is in the desert at the top and he has a verizon branded phone but I think Nokia made it it was a clamshell but when you opened it up the no is LG when you opened it up the display could rotate to a landscape orientation like a t-shape what Samsung Samsung did one of those as well ah subway I think this one is not okay remember yeah over and this is one of our phones i have as many possible parts that could break or just get dust and the resulting thing as we can read tithing number as well with like with like my new fun thing and there was always someone like you stephen it was like the second or third reply were it's like you know the more parts you put in something the easier it is to break like what phone do you carry your nokia candybar yeah I'm very cool and you're not gonna be 70 that swivels 302 far but yeah going too far as a good time sometimes when you talk about design my worst memories from this era where connectivity related going back to what we were talking about with her the Axum it didn't have any GPS built in it had Wi-Fi and bluetooth so i had to connect to a handheld gps receiver that i had to charge separately that would connect over bluetooth and then there wasn't a standardized or there was a standardized but shitty a physical interface it had instead of having like the connectors we have now are usually spring-loaded things or are just bare contacts and the springs are in the connector so there's very little to damage this thing had physical pins get sort of floating in a little avoid there so if you tried to plug in a connector at anything other than a perfectly straight angle you're going to smush those pins down and once you did say goodbye to charging this thing connecting you're not you're ever again it is Miss wrong irritating that just means you're free speaking of uh spirit hahaha I'm sorry I I need to tell that story in a hot second cuz i just looked at my phone at the wrong time and I'm just LOL enlike hard um but before I do that Steven connectivity yes um during this same period of time in in chem it was during the same time as the palm tungsten were very popular people were looking for these connectivity solutions and if you weren't a business man you couldn't afford a portable modem to carry around you're like well I already carry my phone so what if my phone could provide like a hot spot for my PDA and there was only one phone in the US that did this longtime listeners you've heard this before i'm sorry to repeat myself but i remember sprint was the only carrier for a while that carried interesting phones in the States for for tech heads like us and the T 608 from Sony Ericsson Saudi ericsson announced the intention to carry it they then delayed it for months and months and months and this was right around the time when Erickson came out and said hey we're not making cdma phones anymore so sprint had already i think taken delivery on the 608 inventory so they were just making the decision whether to sell or not they eventually made they eventually decided to sell in a very very few people got out I think through telesales the reason this is important is because at the time the T 608 was the only phone to open its Bluetooth connection to an internet doesn't need a Wi-Fi hotspot this is no it's a Bluetooth hot spot right so you could keep your phone in your pocket and tether it via bluetooth to your PDA in your hand and have like a full web browser on your whatever and man I never got to do it because I just it was such an ugly phone and I didn't have a PDA that I was just like whatever but if I had bought that CLE a like I wanted I would have would have used a 608 in my pocket on sprint's superfast 1x RTT network I was surprised we didn't see more people carrying around acoustic couplers and like plugging their PDA in to say phones somebody the comment on my video on the in the clea video said that he used to have that fun and he did he had an acoustic coupling modem that he carried around so he'd be like you'd roll up to a payphone be like watch this Connect is anything less seen in hackers when they're all and Grand Central yeah or in war games like you know what the first coupler attached to the m's I Steven did you have you seen like a guy that would have had a PDA did you you didn't on one back in the day yeah I had a dell axim okay so what did the action run was that a windows mobile yeah windows mobile it was a decent is like 600 megahertz processor on there uh Intel something so this was this was a be later on it was this like 05 06 times I feel like that yeah ram windows mobile 03 so okay so maybe gonna pull da does it does it some hardware keys below the screen it looks like maybe is that a front-facing camera on that sucker no no something I'd like it had the little plastic riser with the antennas for the Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and this is back in the air when you still had dumb phones with the most crazy notification LEDs like you're in 10 would spin through a rainbow of colors and sure ass flash green we had bluetooth on flash blue for Wi-Fi so you knew at a glance what was enabled their officials important because we didn't turn those radios off when you weren't using them your battery would just deplete itself in minutes you know who else was big on those was HTC when they when they started making the smartphones would based on Windows Mobile on the Mogul there were two separate LEDs one was for network condition and the other was for which radios were on in notifications and stuff ah those were the days but wait lashing LEDs will keep you up at night okay yeah but that's in in the better get that police outside wiser believe like ah was the best in the Samsung we had the the rainbow LEDs for a while that like you wouldn't even not that you could customize them like you could currently but it was just a rainbow and if you didn't want a rainbow then you would turn off your old lady I loved that on a 600 but didn't the accent have Wi-Fi or something Steven yeah had Wi-Fi and Bluetooth just no cellular radio so what was your usage scenario like like where did you use it only at home did you use it as a sort of surrogate like a tablet or what told this story before I got because it had SD card support so i found an offline version of still Wikipedia in its very early days and I loaded the entire text of the thing on to achieve a SD card and used to cheat at Bar trivia that was all given s you succeeded at bartram you never talked in ever at all that story before I didn't know you were a bar trivia cheater i would i would not associate with you any longer had i know you need to verify my hunches let's call it that this is the last is the last weekly you'll ever see steam is so cool no that's why i thought you were gonna say that you got an SDS t cards that had a radio in it cuz now you know that um like the st i/o cards for Wi-Fi back in the day if you had a phone and you wanted to add Wi-Fi capability to define an SD card slot with sdio you could plug in the card and it would give you Wi-Fi access if if you had all summer i just used it for the wikipedia thing and i played one round a lot with gps like i mentioned earlier with the the bluetooth connection a ps4 navik and stuff because you nearly have a we didn't get to the point where there were these very full-featured standalone gps units that were affordable so this was super duper happy and i keep charging gps separately but who worked in a page and it was fun to play with while we're talking about connectivity guys this is hilarious um someone in the QA was talking about our technical difficulties before with jelly jackets again saying it's a real Friday the 13th for you guys right haha yes but you know what's funny you remember when I told you guys I went upstairs to go try and get my confirmation text for the two-factor authentication to get back into Google yeah that time correspondent exactly with a new england t mobile outage so it wasn't just me like the whole network went down in in and around Boston at that very moment I have just found out not at all coincidentally this was a this tip was provided to me by a friend by a friend at AT&T who's read my I went to tmobile that was the awesome because thanks something like because I know their network they're gonna tweet oh now Sprint's down you really should be anything yeah yeah yeah so I'm the easy out isn't it's a tmobile stone absolutely are always doubt really news yeah um before we move out of here because we do have to move out of here and I feel like ham go to dinner and it's all good it's all good okay all right good well we're about to hear from Steven about Windows one before we go though you guys have any specific memories about the PDA period because I am like I'm like you cam I don't think I ever had a standalone PDA the first one that I had with PDA functions was actually smartphone was a blackberry 7520 but I remember something very specific about a first first with that was when I learned how to use the blackberry browser which was a full HTML browser incidentally three years before Apple came on the scene saying they brought the real internet with them I don't often get crabby at Apple but that's one who claims I didn't like and I found out that I could do literally I could do journal updates because I really did have like a livejournal uh this is not had the really genuine Google's cloud looks like Bobby's podcast a revelation yeah oh wow that's the cool i'm looking for a going fast yeah i think it's what we had last week how's this how's that show ya talkin talking about HTML before iphone i remember having a nokia n70 and that had HTML on it nervous before i'm sure that was announced before the iphone 100 yeah yeah no the real web thing that's a whole big conversation but I just remember being able to pound out an entire maybe 500 word you know emo bullshit journal entry on this on this leg thumb bored and being like wow I remember I remember where I was I remember the kind of day it was it was at the laundromat and I'm like I can i really do this can I do this on a blackberry I can run I can I can like basically run my life on a mobile browser that's really really bizarre do you guys have any similar memories of like the first time you were able to do like a rather complex task on a mobile device and when you first realize the power of a mobile device maybe i think i did i'm looking back at it now it was probably the most terrible thing in the world but it was the old pdas when they had their handwriting recognition and you have to scribble up a little hard but in like it ever do you mean like real handwriting or like the power with its graph is the palm thing the girl we had to you have to follow the instructions exactly it would not understand what you attract to write yes oh it's a whole new character sex yeah so I could write it in freehand it knows what I'm trying to put in oh how much displaying a 90s trivial pursuit and a question came up about PDAs I had no idea us robotics was the company behind Palme initially whom I only really knew from their modems but apparently they were and if they bought palm or if palm was a spin-off of them but modems pda's why not wow that's wild yeah I forgot about that Association there's a lot more nerdy nostalgia Jules has cooked up a us robotics page so we can verify that you have previous products and services Palm Pilots you wow these were good days I wish I wish we had a couple fewer technical distractions that could allow us to go for a deep dive on this but we're over time I can't really afford to be over time and hope all coming soon wait a second is this where is this a landing page oh this is life just got really excited yeah yeah this is the cheapest page yes yeah it's like the other thing what should we do with it I'll make it pre for please make a pre for with webos no I think like yeah that would be nice right but they wouldn't do they already have a pixie so they would make a well we'll we'll see what they do I just I don't want to see a pre for if it has android and some BS skin on it like just if you don't do that if you have to but don't make don't call it the pre for or the pre anything with the post okay anyway I'm sure we'll hear more about that going forward let's move on let's sound the drop so we can get into dial F or fail that's right you were out of oh that's right i'm not on the board so anyway um Steven you will have a proper intro in the high-quality cut assuming we bother coming better might just quit after today I think I'm gonna do Drive time radio here to you ers lips I'm good Susan get me in get me in the door please yes um only if you don't let your car i will donate my car don't worry i did also go steal one first this is a segment folks all about stupidity general foolishness and unreasonable moves in the mobile space now steven is going to give us both sides of the story as he always does do not be concerned if you thought that this was going to be a hit piece because there's other a couple dynamics of this with this segment it's called this title is called why you'd be forgiven for thinking Microsoft hates flagships or why did my friends crap phone get the windows 10 phones review and not my 930 Steven we only have about truthfully we don't have about seven minutes do my battery life but take it away friend you know I didn't where I had to hit both sides of the issues here I was really planning to be one-sided and just unfair but I guess well but yeah that Deb factors into the woman doing things you buy as hack right so this is what I was talking about earlier when we first brought up the nose and technical preview for phones in that you can't use it for all devices at the moment Microsoft was it was clear about this over the past few weeks there would be a list of specific vices that were supported and the good news there was that it would include some of the lower ram matos people initially were fearing wouldn't make the cut microsoft also explained that we'd be seeing further models add to this list as future technical previous released so if your phone wasn't supported out of the gate it wasn't the end of the world when we actually got the list of supported models yesterday yesterday though it was a bit of a shock because these are solidly low to mid-range devices however the 830 is the most interesting spec-wise of the list microsoft tried to pass it off as the Affordable flagship but as you might have seen in our review affordable it may be flagship it very much is not so if you have something like a 930 a Lumia icon the 1520 of you mention that Joe Belfiore he's been showing off some of these features on for the moment you're out of luck now Microsoft has a very good explanation for why these higher end models aren't supported it has to do with the way the file system is partitioned on these devices such that installing the update the way it's being done now would prove problematic with the amount of size allocated for the the operating system partition Microsoft has a plan for addressing this and in future updates we definitely will see the ability to install it on these higher end phones but that doesn't change the fact that it's kind of a black mark on Microsoft that it wasn't able to do this out of the gate I say this because Microsoft's had a problem for a while now when it comes to flash of devices on Windows Phone we haven't seen a new one that I would consider a capital F flagship and again I'm not considered me at 31 in a very long time now coming up on a year in just a few months and then rumors suggesting we won't see another model like this until the latter part of 25 teen so if you were already being nervous about Windows Phone being a platform that wasn't very conducive towards users looking for bleeding edge tech this is doing nothing at all to dismiss that fear should Microsoft have held out a little more until this it calls it a partition stitching the technique is going to use to deliver Windows 10 to these devices like the 930 1520 shouldn't have waited a little longer to release the technical preview until that was ready to go I maybe want to say yes now we don't have a lot of insight into exactly where along and development that is and Michael mentioned that he was a little surprised to see the technical preview come out when it did yesterday Microsoft had until the end of februari and no one we would have gotten a little anxious but we wouldn't have you know taking pics forks and torches to redmond and demanded the preview come out then we knew it was coming maybe it could have waited a little longer and got this thing ready to go for more devices I would have liked to see it support higher end phones when it finally came out if that meant waiting until March or April okay i can understand I wanted to get us out of the gate when you did Microsoft but still this has to really suck for a do proponents of the platform because when Microsoft is putting these next-gen features and yeah it's still a preview and it will come two more phones later and it'll be more polished but when it's giving this early taste for I mean I'm sorry some of this is some crappy hardware here a crappy comparatively yes windows phone runs good on lower-end hardware yes there's a real market for low and mid-range devices but I mean come on Microsoft this is a little embarrassing more than little disappointing and for fans of the platform who really wanted to see do great things with great hardware I feel like this is just another we're not so concerned about these the bleeding eggs I've been using that phrase a lot we're not so concerned about the super high-end here maybe that's a good thing and it's making it more accessible but for the really techie geeky guys I feel it's a disappointment what do you guys think i think paul theroux paul thurrott rather feels a quite the same way and has been vocally lambaste on microsoft for this in the step I don't think it's that big a deal frankly particularly with the the technical limitations that we were included in on you know from from where I'm sitting Stephen this is a technical preview and Microsoft is using it to aggregate feedback as much as anything else from the hardest core of the fans yes the hardest core people were are more likely to have the high-end flagships and it's a little bit of slap in the face not regard but it's not like this is the only release you know I mean this is like what if last year at Google i/o we hear about Android L that preview release comes out and it's only for the Galaxy Nexus you know you know I understand I I know but this is if this is the first time we've seen a public release of any windows phone bill right I mean you last year I seem to recall us being Brian for briefings when they had a much more a much more shined up version but it had the insider program before didn't they the inside of the issues you still didn't downgrade remember that was the big new thing with this one is now there's a way to move back I don't remember so decide later I'll bleed together but wouldn't you know regardless i don't i'm glad that no one I to my knowledge has yet it come up with a twitter hashtag and a gate suffix Griffith you know like tech preview gate and but I'm a little surprised no one has because there's so much just umbrage intriguing fear about this and I'm so what do you want just what I know it lacks it'll come in the visa Fraley I know one of my our colleagues at another site who has named Owen mentioned was like didn't have an 830 so he went and got an 8 30 and then now he can run the technical preview like I I'm not saying everyone should go buy an 830 obviously but hey I did think was a little hysterical when this first came out I I hit up Michael with a message like have you seen this yet has come out are you gonna do a video on this he's like oh yeah I'm waiting for it on my HTC One m8 very no way the previews coming out for the one ending right you could at your head that was I was doing that based on the information I got an earlier in the week that it was only gonna come to the MA but that was those incorrectly anyway whatever we had some stuff lying around can we look forward to hearing your thoughts on understand when it gets a little bit more mature I imagine you'll spend some time with it once it gets a little polished up yeah yes I will be definitely good we just enough time for listener mail guys Jules to bring us into that we're not using the board so forget it we'll do it live to the HQ I'm at fifteen percent battery life so this is what we call a race to the finish initiative and we're going to start with listen and mail number one if I can find a cami wanna stick around help us answer these real quickly I can do yet thanks man this is listener my loved one from le can tell real I can tell with phones like the s6 and z for approaching I was wondering if people really care if their phone has an IP rating as ingress protection or you know water and dust rating people baby their phone anyway so I wonder if it matters thanks in advance and love the show I'll answer first Eli it would be my contention that people baby their phones because they're many phones can't need to be babied they can't handle real life for the vast majority of my existence yeah I don't need an IP certified phone but this is me talking in the depths of februari in Boston when all I want to do is stay inside and stay away from the horrible cold outside in the summer I'm going to beach all the time around on them boat or you know I'm whatever I'm hiking maybe I don't want to pull out a phone that's you know five millimeters thin and if I put it down on the wrong branch it'll break in half I want something robust and I don't have to go spend a bunch of money on a case that one is going to boat the f er up and two is going to look ugly as sin on the thing f cases man so yeah I need an IP rating I I like him and I'm going to be sad when the s6 probably launches without one so I think that was one of the best things about the s5 what do you think either of you gentlemen I I'm inclined to agree i've got this egg three and i live i live in an area where it rains probably eighty percent of the year and the having worked in mobile phone retail and dealt with insurance claims of water damage as there's nothing more freeing than going out with a phone and being able to answer it in the rain oh look at my phone in the rain without having to put a lifeproof on it that's what I have to put on my iphone 6 if I'm going out for a run or I'm going out and it's a bit damp I put a waterproof case on my phone Godwin isn't a little frustrating you yeah but this ad three it's fine I've got no worries it'll last yeah yeah I totally get where this question is coming from for one I find those ratings extremely confusing because a lot of different numbers can follow that IP they mean different things it's not going to be the same for every phone and it's not immediately intuitive what the rating actually means even when you know what it means though yeah I still would be really careful i mean if you've been watching our videos you've seen Michael destroy waterproof phones by just dropping them in water like you're supposed to be able to do and there's a lot of asterisks that follow all of these ratings like yes a phone may be rated for three atmospheres but that's static water yes you may be able to put it you know three meters deep into a still pool but that doesn't necessarily mean you can take it in the shower where there is moving water and it doesn't seem like that's equivalent pressures but that could end up damaging the phone so it's really hard you just look at that number and understand what you can and can't do with it so as a result I think we are a little overcautious with these devices for good reason yeah no caution is always advised especially considering the number of devices I have damaged that are supposed to be what it what our impact resistant yes Stephen but if you do read the numbers right you would lessen your chances of that if you do some research and look at the tables you know IP is different from mil spec and mil spec is weird rather it's become a rather short cut and kind of inaccurate way of reporting durability because it turns out that in order to meet the mill tekram ended the mil standard 8 10 of the a-10 standard you can you don't have to go to a centralized testing facility you don't really have to adhere to any normalized or uniform code scout some sort of declare something mil standard if you want to like the standard itself is something like 800 pages long it covers everything from you know how devices to get to like but but like even in the terms of the things that covers it covers everything from handheld devices to like waterproofing on tank treads diculous to say anything is good week on the podcast yeah there'll be a fun thing to review them let's move on to lose my number to Steven you want to go ahead and read it from our friend Baldwin be sure sure um Baldwin rights thanks for keeping us phone nerds fed with info and rumors and not force look forward to new shiny things and the podcast to let us hear you feel giddy about it too we are happy to do giddy let me get this out of my head though with a move to Windows 10 making the Kota base uniform across all devices and with intel mobile processors becoming as efficient as arm ones do you think the next Lumia will run an intel chip of course us with alienate Karen flagships but Microsoft did that before anyway would it make things easier faster you so tell people it's one LS space that everything will be x86 going forward when tell phones for the win I so yes to know about this I had the exact same response as you except mine was more like oh wow oh man so third selling mobile I called for help from a friend Joel Eva he wrote a rather extensive reply Steven if you want to get in real quick before I leave that because I'm not the power through it uh I I'm hesitant to believe that this could actually happen Intel chips they've been making some headway over the past couple years but they're still kind of Frings chips that when you see them on devices it's not great compatibility will this new code base thing improve the situation almost certainly especially with our level language here it's going to be easier to run on different devices with less of a differentiation because of what the silicon under the hood is still arm is so ubiquitous it's cheap unless Intel make some real effort of giving its chips away to manufacturers practically I think arm is gonna be the standard here for a while and just because it's a different underlying instruction set I think it's going to impact when so much like it was that uh that's a shame it's a shame I tried to sneak in there because I wanted to get some music for the asteroid that may be saved one part of the show but we couldn't do it so get out of my face microphone and we're not going to use that and when I can music and were just yeah winnebago man hey as jane says to this answer Oh Adam answered first and he says there have been rumors of an x86 phone both running either android or windows phone for a few years I don't follow chips too closely either but I'm sure it's very possible they move the windows phone from the sea eternal to the NT kernel specifically for the flexibility to support a wider growing range hardware it sounds like tablets with less than 7 inch screens will be able to run the phone style version of Windows 10 right or plenty of those on x86 processors already adding a little phone hardware doesn't seem like a big deal that's from Adam Lane our windows phone expert solid I've Jeep that's that's that is one great response Joe's response is a little bit more significant and I have to go through it rather quickly joe says this isn't the first time Microsoft will have unified to a single architecture etc etc arm is a risc processor reduced instruction set computing risk is stereotypically built for small lightweight energy efficient code and devices x86 and x64 are sisk processors complex instruction set computing sisk used to be the exclusive run for doing high-end high power computation believe it or not we do a lot of what would previously have been called complex instructions on our reduced instructions mobile devices today but the line between the two has been blurred Joe goes on to say how that has been accomplished focusing on a single architecture simplifies development testing and QA for the OS developer the OEM and software developers it also provides a more consistent experience across platforms something end-users highly desire mm Joe could the next Lumia be powered by an x86 or x64 processor absolutely should it be there are many reasons to support that direction is it the right choice that remains to be seen surely vibe with a great answer and unfortunately can't talk anymore about if you wonder why them rushing at the door guys because I'm at five percent battery and he computer's gonna end the show for us if I don't do it have you drop out you're gone for good yeah exactly oh yeah this is from Greg vote with a great question with my red cell phone contract about to expire I've decided to change carriers was considering switching to AT&T and going no contract as I have cell phones to use recently through research I found that I can get a similar plan and cricket wireless bubble blah since I'm bringing my own phones and going no contract are there any disadvantages to going with an mvno over a mainstream carrier if they both use the same network Greg vote yes yes absolutely Greg there are disadvantages and they are predominantly in how much data you are allocated because MVNOs by broadband from the big guys and after a certain threshold you are throttled and we just saw a couple weeks ago Stephen there's a new story say you're advertising unlimited and and it wasn't true yeah everybody's that may carriers are yes but it is generally much more severe in terms of mvnos because they are under restrictions from the carrier's providing them to them now I read this and I first thought about rumors I've always heard these MVNOs you don't get network priority so like if a rising tower is crowded and you're on some Indian oh that uses them the people who are on postpaid plans are going to get their data through first and you're gonna get you know be second fiddle I looked around and apparently that may not actually be true it's a lot of you know people suspect that their signal is bad when I blame it on something but some of these MVNOs have said no no our contract with sprint or whomever says our traffic gets the same priority it may be an issue that it's routed differently on the internet like it gets sent through proxies through these MVNO carrier companies so it may not make the most efficient route but that doesn't have to do with a cellular network and by and large I don't think you gonna get a difference with the the quality of the data you get yes you'll have those plan restrictions still which may be more onerous than with a a postpaid plan but I don't know I am always very wary of being on an mvno because i feel like if there's a capacity crunch and there they you know there needs to be a decision made in terms of who that comes into your going to favor the postpaid people and benelli evidence to support that idea yeah well you're right he used to be the case cam as any insight from across the pond on this now he actually know probably less about UK networks than I do about American waters since I write for tmonews as well I've heard the same I've heard that the NVA knows get lesser priorities when it's when it's a bit busy but I don't know where I've heard it and I don't know if it's true right yeah but this is one of those muddy areas that sort of underreported because a lot of people reported on years and years ago and I don't think there's been a lot of follow-up on it but all right in these days of did net neutrality discussion maybe we'll see that maybe we'll do some time because this right there it's one thing i noticed i actually used one of the uk's envia knows i think it was about two years ago they were running off one of the bigger networks and when it came to tethering it wouldn't let you do it at all because you had to have different settings installed and you just couldn't do it so who sometimes have technical difficulties with using an mvno yeah but yeah yeah now I always generally stick with the big guys Roger that yeah and but you know Greg if you want to give it a try give it a try I've heard great success stories from people on NBA knows this is going to depend on your needs it's going to depend on how you use your service there's no reason not to give it a go especially if you don't actually if Google gets into the game like has been rumored with increasing frequency that could put em via knows a whole different level here so amazing coming ya know this is very true I think we've got to go to sort of get out of here how well do you think the serious sent seven will adapt to the Candy Land android lollipop go as Sonny kalra I don't know we've seen it start to sort of trickle out right it seems to be sort of a mishmash of grays and whites I don't know I haven't used it personally that's like I can't say kam you have any experience with sense on lollipop no I have none nice I don't have an HTC device anymore which is really odd what do they do i do over there a Lumia 400 something you don't have an HTC them right what's going on now I do i do Scott Josiah 820 in the cover just again oh thank goodness is it holding up holding up a table in there or what yeah yeah it's actually I checked the measurement is actually slightly shorter than an iphone 6 plus how that deters you how big the iphone 6 plus yeah for real it's bigger than a desire 820 oh god the source i asks after the blackberry passport in class like which do you think is the next step for blackberry where's blackberry going it's a good question source I we are about to look at the blackberry passport due to popular demand we've been we were bludgeoned for not covering it even though blackberry didn't send us one you guys would not leave us alone and when the opportunity came to take a look at the AT&T variant which has slightly different hardware we seized upon it and we'll be taking a look at it don't work where it's going next is going to be a another full touch phone i think it's the Rio I want to say has been leaked a few times just to step back from these last two Cordy models no kidding I've not seen those leaks thank you ever yeah I feel it I'll be I think it will be more like it I don't think we had the said this is the said three dozen accessory was a 30 yeah and it was in the 30 budget of wuzzle it has a budget model that was the century I think they launched it in Asia and growing markets I from what i've read as well it seems like it's going to be a follow up to one of that to that device kochevar do i asks this is our last one i live in the UK london and I've never seen an Android wear SmartWatch you see many out in the wild I'll enter for Boston I haven't seen any I don't think ever maybe once sell them all over in philly really which one moto 360 s like numerous wrists in a very hipster e bar how about your you're part of the UK camp no i have not seen any in the wild the only time I've ever seen any in the wild is that Aoife in Berlin yeah and then and everyone has 360s at those yeah we never fail to ever see Phil makinson and he's got is this susan watch on I'm like man it's a good call I should I should I should be wearing that too but I didn't want to be different all right we gotta get out of here guys were three percent cam I'm sorry for all the technical problems i really appreciate you being patient with us come back be with us again and will will it'll work right I won't have a major network a noted authentication and things will go well it's not great great Steven as always thank you for for for your hard work and your fun faces and you appreciate all of them Gordo viewers thank you for being patient with us as well folks that's going to do it for this episode of the pocket now weekly Ali spagnola provides our transition music when we have it when the board works and she can be found at Le spagnola comment youtube.com / alex bags and a telly Spagnola on twitter this episode of the pocket na 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