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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 006 of the pocket now weekly the once a week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss news and opinion from the world of mobile technology from smart phones to tablets two phablets everything in between I'm your host Michael Fisher contributing editor at pocket now as always I'm joined or as usually I'm joined by our managing editor and Tandy Naja good afternoon to you sir good morning to you guys good morning everybody and back with us again this week editor-in-chief Brandon minimun good morning my Pennsylvania friend hey guys we are we are back as a team we have no guest this week Joe joined us last week we're going to have some more more guests in the future but first things first I'm recording from a special location this week listeners on a different computer with a different microphone so if I sound different that's why I'm also in a different room because I'm in long island new york where i'm working from this week which will become relevant again in a second second things i'd like to announce very excited to announce that we are on stitcher the pocket now weekly podcast is now available on stitcher if you have not heard of that application it is available on well webos but also Android and I believe iOS I discovered it on on webos in 2009 and it's a really great podcasting app if you are a fan of streaming instead of downloading files directly so we are officially on stitcher also just in a little bit of site news the android guy weekly video series Joe Levi's series has been sort of promoted to version two point oh I guess you'd call it this it's now called Android power user it's still hosted by joe but it's got a lot of new sort of deluxe features and it's way more awesome than it already was so it's it's sort of changed its focus from a video editorial column to a show that aims to turn regular Android users into Android power users am I getting that right Brandon Tony yeah absolutely cool so you should check it out listeners if you have not already it's awesome Joe is awesome and things are awesome it's sunny here it's nice i'm in a good mood and go ahead brennan that how did you know i was about to say something oh you heard your sharp intake of breath no i think so i think the purpose behind the show's power user series is for someone to literally start at the beginning and every video sort of built upon the previous video so it can be like a sort of guide to just learning more about android so it's like a serial like it's like a serialized television show I was like yeah watch the beginning episode and then watch it all the way through we uh we also listeners have a lot of listener mail today which is awesome thank you so much for it we're not going to get to all of it because they're there actually is quite a bit more than there was last week and we really love these pieces of mail and we'll find a way to answer the ones we don't answer on the air but we kind of have to be quick so before we get started Brandon do you have anything before we begin I do actually have something rom so and it's actually a it's more like a question for you Michael and and I you know I don't think Tony what would would actually uses this app that I'm about to talk about so I I look on facebook and I see often Michael Fisher posting pictures and the pictures are always you know that brownish color which means it was taken with instagram and i and i emailed him the other day and I said Michael why not just post the clean picture and Michael said well its got a bunch of fun photo filters and I said okay so I took out my one x and i went into the camera app and it had a bunch of fun filters i went into the galaxy s3 into the camera app and it had a bunch of fun filters then i thought back to the HTC touch diamond of two thousand five or six and that had a bunch of interesting vote bunch of photo feature so my question is what is it what is it about Instagram number one and number two why is it better to post a brown picture then a clean picture i don't i don't get instagram i will answer myself after Michael just so you know I do use but not Instagram I use something else oh well for me um I didn't know what Instagram was until it was ported to android and then I wrote an editorial about it is probably one of my first ones in my first month and I you know Instagram at first glance is about the filters and some people hate it because it kind of makes people feel as though they can compose artsy photographs when they can't and you know I'm included in that I'm an amateur completely and so yeah that's what people first think about when the thing of Instagram is like oh that's how you make digital photos look like they've been sitting out in the Sun for 20 years which is great and you know that's cool and that's hipstery and whatever that's that's not why I love Instagram though I use Instagram because of the social network that backs it up which I really hope Facebook doesn't destroy because I've learned that um you know when you post photos on Instagram and you hashtag them so they're indexable and searchable you can do that I always attached like 20 hashtags to my photos and it's like this was taken in Greenport Long Islander this was taken and you know Boston and you tap Boston is the hashtag and every other photo that anyone has taken on instagram with the hashtag Boston shows up and it's like oh wow yeah I've been there and what other photos do you have random user oh they're amazing too hey let's follow each other and just see photos I did the simplicity of that of that model is just like you are posting photos other people are posting photos photos are pretty to look at lets everyone look at each other's pretty photos that's what I love Instagram so how often do you sit there and click on the Boston hashtag or category and and look through other pictures people taken is this this has happened once a week for you or is it is it more often or less often um like it you it used to be like a once a week thing now it happens daily I mean now I'm kind of more obsessed with Instagram then then I have been with Facebook or with not with twitter twitter i'm still blows away so we've noticed ya know it's true i mean but it's because it's fun like it's simple there's nothing you know its people aren't generally using it to post apps or games or other all the other crap you can run into on facebook it's just photos and it sets the scene it's the same kind of thing like why one would look through their twitter stream and see what other people are doing it's the same kind of thing it's the same kind of thing but you know if you're lazy or if you need stimulation I love listen I love reading I love text I love writing but sometimes you just want to look at a picture and you don't want to read words and Instagram is perfect for that and just are you not on it Brandon I downloaded the app and I signed up I think I don't really know if actually signed up I don't know if ective Lee or not you rented a user I'm not sure I might I might become one cuz you know you sound pretty intrigued by it and and you use it a good bit so I might take a look I can get abusive about about about Instagram what about you Tony what's your response there I signed up and I gave it a shot but at what I didn't like about Instagram is that it only allows you to apply filters while cropping the picture to a square format and anyway yeah that's really something i really don't like so i'm using an application which is in myself free applications for iOS it's called camera plus it's an application which not only allows you to take great pictures because it has options like separate metering for focus and light but it also has some somehow should i say hipster or aged picture effects which occasionally i like to apply of course not on all of my pictures every tenth or fifteenth and I love taking photographs and I have something similar on the Nokia 808 PureView so yeah i'm using effects but not for the social purpose but only for my personal purpose of having a picture look aged and composition and lighting and the artistic stuff that actually there is that that feature of instagram that they call luna or whatever they call it that I don't know you know I I don't know what it's called but it just applies this artificial HDR a kind of effect to it and a lot of times it looks crappy but sometimes it just makes an okay photo into it that's from fatal frame yeah it does so sorry Brandon were you gonna say something uh well Tony was talking about camera plus and I think that was actually one of my first iphone apps and it interestingly let you map the volume plus button to take the pic of course Apple integrated to iOS 5 big leap is that the same app Tony then yeah is Lee and the the table and I'll switched it back so it's a layout again Hassan oh it's kind of nice icon yeah the only problem is that it's not fully integrated like when you go to the lock screen on the iPhone and you have that camera icon which you can slide up in a windows phone 7 style it just doesn't integrate with that but that aside it's it's awesome it's not answering man yeah it's not yeah definitely not I have a small ramp myself at the beginning i'll try to keep it short I'm not sure whether to laugh this out or to be pissed about it regardless of what sorry what the phone or a tablet i'm using regardless of make model platform whether if its european / UK or a USA version so i'm always two or three updates behind of course this is happening because probably i'm committed to stock and this would be a textbook example used by probably the entries power user you mentioned of how to not stick the stock or why not the sticks is to stick the stock but i'm always behind then hi my shot me an email the other day and he asked me about hey Tony did you get the update on your HTC One X and I said guess what I'm still two updates behind did you get this update for Galaxy S free no I did I just got the update which brings the light display brightness slider to my notification tray so no I'm always 23 updates behind and rent uh why I mean these are OTA updates there safe and official why aren't you updating your own I'm not getting notifications I'm always getting no update available for your current device is that because of your location is that because you're in Romania I'm not sure maybe it has something to do with that but i'm using european UK phones so it should maybe they're seeing a sim card which is of course located in Romania but the ROM itself is UK rom and once UK gets the roll out i should get it to guess what I'm not do you think that the I mean I don't know much about the OTA the back end OTA stuff guys like is are the OTA pushes dictated by where your device is actually located or I think it depends on the you are using and because there are several grams for different regions I think that the system looks at the region you are in and the region which is running the region code of the rom you're running on your device that's curious I mean I've been thinking about that a little bit more recently because I wrote that piece on emergency broadcast text messages which aren't text messages at all they are you know a different format and their scent not to not to you based on your phone number or where your phone is expected to be but what sell your phone is actually connected to so I wonder if it's something like that operate our messages you say yes yeah well there'd be other operator messages yeah i don't know i'm not sure you guys have this in the states here in Romania and I'm sure lots of other regions too we had this thing on a local carrier that depending on which cell tower you are connected to the phone displays not only the carrier name but also the neighborhood you are in and sometimes the street name so each cell tower has a specific name to it and it's usually carrier minus and the neighborhood or carrier minus street name no like there was a wholesome know that there was a whole like underground industry of forum members on message boards here in the states who would like go out and map their local cell sites just so they would know when they had coverage because we I would love to have that but no we don't I did that once actually it's fun you just go to the base of a cell set and look at the signs on it and you're like oh that's what carriers on this thing if you're a real pro you can look at the panel's but I can't do that anyway so let's uh let's move on I mentioned a little earlier that I'm on Long Island part of the reason for that has become that it was it's much closer to New York City than Boston and that came in handy yesterday when I attended the galaxy note 10.1 launch event which i posted about today and yesterday and it's just been kind of the big news of the middle of the week so this it a loan I've talked a little bit to to Tony and Brandon about it and you know I kind of and I had a really great time and I met some some cool people the device I just don't know what to think about the device yet I was waiting in line for a review in it and there's one of the Samsung guys was kind of talking to me and he asked me well what did I think and I was like you know this is one of those things where I need I think I need a solid week with it to even decide how I initially feel about it so it's lacking the wow factor yeah it doesn't have a giant wow factor for me know but you know there have been other devices that have been like that like the Nexus 7 where I was like I do not care about this and I don't want to write about it and then it comes to my door and I'm like oh this is great you know so I'm hesitant to say that it's a disappointment it's not a disappointing device to me from it's just something I'm not sure about yet I am glad in one respect that it is not a galaxy tab with a with a stylist I don like it was I think when you saw tony in Barcelona was that was at the case this initial pass at it no the outer aspect of the tablet does remained unchanged so it's basically the same casing which I saw in Barcelona with the front firing speakers and all yeah and that's because of the lawsuit which is between Samsung and Apple and it came originated the idea from Germany when they came up with the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 M which was the first one if i recall well to have front facing speakers and of course to to avoid future litigation they probably applied that as a standard to future tablets oh that was the galaxy did that was a galaxy tab 10.1 and that was the first one with for the front firing speakers that are if i recall well yes yeah I think you're right see that is something that I want to talk about um in the future and not too far in the future i love front firing speakers like that alone that feature alone on a phone or a tablet will instantly like boost it a point just in my personal scaling system you know for my personal use yeah speakers around back are a necessity at the moment and they're just one of the worst things ever though like whenever i'm watching netflix on a tablet or on phone which is often you know having to do that stupid thing where you cup your palms on the factory all the time but sometimes I go into the kitchen and get like a bowl and try and I can tap you and I'm just like this is ridiculous i'm going to watch us on TV no it's just nuts and unless you want to put in headphones when i used to work at nextel with the display is the display tables for the phones had holes in them and there were holes with like steel pipes that we could put the phone mounts into and at any given time there were many empty pipes so we would take these next cell phones with these giant aft firing speaker phones which were just absurdly loud and you put him over one of these pipes in the table and it was like it was like a poor man's subwoofer it was ridiculous on that same note and share many of our listeners who have the LG optimus 7 first wave Windows Phone know this but LG decided to go with a joint speaker / headset so the same speaker is used when you are talking to somebody for listening to their voice and the same is used when you are listening to music by Xun or Spotify so it's a front-facing speaker oh yeah that's really cool I well yeah this is all going to be a much more interesting conversation when that bone conduction stuff starts happening yeah in earnest but that's that's for a future discussion I think anyway we're gonna have to see what we what we kind of think about the galaxy note 10.1 who did I don't know I don't know the details on that it was a very fun event it was run very well I got to see Baz Luhrmann speak I love the sunscreen song yeah as do I um and it Tony have you heard that one is that a uniquely American or Australian and American most most probably i said oh just let me get me through my childhood that song the sunscreen song my bannermen music he's an actor right baz lurman is a director he is a that song i believe the lyrics were written this is the sunscreen song listeners if you want to look it up it's a fun little novelty song yeah he's a director he directed at Moulin Rouge and Romeo and Juliet with leonardo dicaprio and he's currently directing something of prominence coming up so samsung had him come out on stage and kind of talk about how he uses how he ostensibly used as the galaxy note 10.1 with stylus as he kept referring what in his ear process he's yeah you know I used the galaxy note 10.1 with stylus you know when I'm around the film set and it was it was cool like his in-person presentation was pretty awkward he even said like to the president of samsung electronics at USA he was like you're gonna have to call cut on me because I just ramble and I don't really say anything worthwhile and but on the video they shot with boz like he was scouting locations for his latest project and you know he's using the note 10.1 with stylus and he's taking pictures of locations and then like with sitting with his wife the production designer and like doodling on the photos with sketches like heroin hang curtains here and do all this stuff and he says it's I wrote about it in today's piece where he's like it's a creative toolbox for creative professionals and you know I think I think he'd be better off just using an etch-a-sketch tab 10.1 I mean it's it's far cheaper and it's got a higher contrast display and what they put on the 10.1 by the way oh god that yeah the DPI is pretty rough go ahead display Michael how is the display on the 10.1 because the display on the Galaxy Tab 10.1 which I had and I he'll still have laying around here is is terrible and in February when I met the galaxy note 10.1 and it's then back then iteration it wasn't that good it's not it's not that good okay I'm yeah when you're using it in the hand it you can't really notice that if you're me and I don't really care about resolution or anything like that but even if you're me you look at the thing just a little too close or if it's on a giant projection display at the announcement and they're zooming in on icons it's like whoa and the colors and contrast because my problem was that there were absolutely no blacks there were only great and there were huge backlight bleeding problems yeah I did well it is a conventional LCD on there I think it's not a you know a giant's AMOLED panel or something so yeah so that it's it's not an impressive display it'll it gets the job done but not not well so can't wait can't wait for the next way of tablets I mean this is just a watching some videos of it and watching your hands on Michael edit it doesn't look fast and it's got that quad core X and I was like what's up with that yeah it's it's still Ice Cream Sandwich Brendan just wait for for it to get jelly bean you'll get jelly yeah and hopefully that they're sent whatever Samsung does with TouchWiz on top of jelly bean won't mess it up too much is this TouchWiz UX nature the new one which is on the s3 yeah like its it has some of those same effects like on the lock screen you know you draw the unlocked race and it does the water pattern and stuff and maybe it was just me maybe it's just to my eyes where I was looking at it and it didn't it seemed like they just took elements from nature UX and put it onto an existing tablet TouchWiz build mm-hmm and at the presentation they really didn't make a big deal about they certainly never said it was a nature UX or at least if they said it I missed it and I think so did everybody else so I don't think they're calling at that but they did bring over a lot of features from the galaxy s3 and from the earlier note gotcha yes so they mean smart stays on it which i think is pretty cool I didn't get to test that out but I know it's installed and I hate smart state aside from the fact you think it's creepy but yeah it's staring at you the only time when I can think of smart stay being useful for me is when I lay in my bed and I'm reading either in the morning or in the night and guess what smart state is not working at night because you can't see your face very true I know I I guess it's more accurate to say i love the idea of smart stay i love its potential but i agree that is a giant handicap just put them in for a beam on it you can't see it you the camera can see your face and boom there's your solution for night operation while speaking of infrared there's that giant infrared port up top which I did miss identify and my my youtube video as a micro USB port because I was in a rush but um so they've Samsung has done this like a very useful market research see how were there like they found that most people when they are sitting watching tvs and if they're doing something else well they're watching TV it's probably on a tablet and I get that because what you don't think I mean it's true for me I was like I was it made sense to me because I sit there and watch TV and I'm like oh well I'm using my tablet while I'm watching TV that you don't do that time no no no I have no time for that nonsense ya know today they're bringing back the style just you're bringing back infrared come on what's next well I mean I agree the infrared blaster in and of itself is just like this like why did you put this on there you're just being like Samsung you're just throwing stuff on here but no you know they custom wrote this like remote control app or maybe they bought a company that wrote a remote control app and its installed on there and it's like I don't have a samsung smart TV I guess you know they said I thought so too but the the president mr. Baxter was like yeah of course we'd prefer that it would be a samsung TV but no it works with all of them so um anyway anyway um so that was fun it was a fun event adding stuff yeah yeah look for everyone looked for more more on the 10.1 as we get some more time with it but while we're still on samsung i want to ask you guys about this because i haven't played with it this leaked there's been a leaked official jelly bean ROM for the samsung galaxy s3 what's what's the story on this is this still out there and available yeah that happened that happened today and so it's uh it's the TouchWiz oh i had a android 4.1 update and you know what I haven't tried it yet um I actually might load it on today make a video about it um but it seems to be a pretty big improvement it's it's it's amazing Samsung kept the two second home screen delay thing they didn't fix that that's that's for s voice yes um but it looks like an improvement which is very encouraging because we were speculating in previous podcasts when jellybean comes around on these devices is it going to maintain the fluidity and the answer is yes uh you I guess it's just so deep that you know ye it's not going to be impacted but it's still it's still TouchWiz and you know that my personal preference would be to run stock Android via you know a third-party rom button that's just me sure yeah you know i'm looking forward to because i like I'm like Tony I like running my stuff pretty stock or pretty close to stock and and I like the improvements that have been built into the new TouchWiz so I'm very excited to see how how that works on top of jelly bean especially on my galaxy s3 which by the way has become a killer driver yeah yeah listeners I go boating sometimes on account of having grown up in Long Island and so I broke my galaxy nexus LTE which I know yeah yeah you didn't know I didn't yeah I didn't know that I'm sure how the funeral man so it doesn't really count I broke my fate Galaxy Nexus right exactly yes if I'd broken a real one I'd be really pissed but knows my if you guys can access LTE and I sat on it wrong and shed at the display so it works but it's I'm not gonna be one of those people who walks around with a shedder display him and it's true you guys remember those stickers on the screens back to your three years ago which said do not put it in your back pocket do not sit on it oh yeah no we never got I never got a phone with that kind of user warning but I should have apparently I think HTC touch HD and the hd2 had that oh yeah but yeah I didn't have either one of those so that's yeah well I should have you should yet I know I know that's before Gorilla Glass yeah and now even with grilled West I just break it and scratch it all the time so whatever real glass you know it's it's it's got so much hype behind it but it it still does crack and then Gorilla Glass 2 on the galaxy s3 did you guys see that video where someone took a iphone 4s and a galaxy s3 and dragged it behind a car had those videos on lame I heard I've never watched those know they they make me hurt in my heart like I don't like watching those those videos where they beat up electronics it makes me feel very sad need you I'm with you yeah well well anyways happened what happened a girl goes to yeah well what happened is that they picked up the iphone which was destroyed and then they picked up the galaxy s3 which seemed unharmed which I find hard to believe my galaxy s3 already has a couple of surface scratches and I I'm pretty careful with my phones so you know I think gorilla glass can be hit or miss I think its impact resistant it's supposed to be scratch resistant i did a video one time where took a razor sharp kitchen knife and applied it to one of the first gorilla glass screens i think it was what was that i think it was the iphone four men oh geez maybe or ghosts I don't know it's like nails on a chalkboard it just feels been so what what happened you you managed to scratch it pretty well I it didn't scratch I actually think I gotta find that video I think I successfully scratched a non Gorilla Glass old you know a device with an old older uh you know that I didn't care about that much focus you know what the gorilla glass object didn't scratch with a really sharp knife and I got I got pretty uh pretty aggressive with the screen like we went we went crazy together in screen you know this this entire gorilla glass thing is just like titanium my watch is made of titanium and titanium is one of the strongest materials out there and you just really can't break it but you can scratch it with your fingernail yeah so I think that the glass is Gorilla Glass is the same it's it's strong but it has that internal tension which is released once you get it hit in a certain angle with a certain velocity and then it's just physics right and and you know I've noticed the same amount of scratching on my galaxy s3 in particular on the display I feel like you know you can do these things where you do these tests for you scratch it with it the screen with a knife for your try and do that and you know girl that's maybe or other hardened glasses actually handle that a little better then actual just real world use like taking it in and out of a pocket with say a rivet you know like a like a riveted seam on jeans or something or you know just keeping it in your pocket with other stuff which I try not to do so that's why I tend to like those pocket tests where they throw in a phone into a bag with a lot of like pocket change and stuff like that but anyway that's good test yeah yeah well you know you can you can fight that with things like building your phone casing out of Kevlar and stuff which leads us a little bit little ways into this story very briefly this droid razr HD which we keep hearing the muskets phone the biscuit and there's there's the latest rumor here that it's going to arrive without an accompanying max version for those of you not familiar with the razr maxx it is the motorola droid razr just with a giant giant battery slapped on and it's one of my favorite innovations in android to be honest I guys I'm infuriated if this is true I am just going to blow my top because I the max version of the razor is the only other Android phone from verizon i would consider buying because it has that incredibly long battery endurance without the need for an extra battery or a battery case or whatever what do you guys think are you super disappointed or do you not care that there's not going to be a maxim brandon loves the device i don't i don't like Motorola phones that much I still haven't found one that when that has won me over so I you know I don't really care cuz you wouldn't buy it anyway mmm I I wouldn't buy it anyway it's it doesn't look nice to me and it's got an interface that I don't like and so on gotcha what about you Tony I don't think that the rumors are our true but even if they are true then i think motorola wool at one point release a max version because the market really wants it it's bread and had a video on it then when i said brandon loved the phone i actually said that or i meant to say that he loved the battery life on that that was actually the first time i heard brandon praised a phone for its better life and its really true i mean close to 3,000 milliamp hours gives you one and a half two days of juice which which in today's world is it's an excellent third absurdly excellent yes yeah yeah it's absurdly excellent but you know i think most people care that the phone will last through the day and of course there there are those extended days that we've all had where you wake up early in the morning and you're going out late at night and by the time you're ready to leave to go out at night your phone's like thirteen percent you're like ah I got it I got a plug in yeah um but but you know you can kind of anticipate that right and charge it up in the middle of the day I rather have a thinner phone that has one day battery life than a thicker phone or a heavier phone or wider phone that has two or three day battery life it's just like it's not worth it to me you were an L to the HTC focus groups weren't you you know one thing which which right now is fitting the image perfectly I'm preparing to drive to Berlin it's gonna be a 14 15 hour drive and I hate charging my phones with any charger I'm used to only using their own particular charger because of the currents stopping and go into detail with podcast but just to get to the point when you are driving and navigating it just eats battery insanely I mean two hours is max which you can get so I'm gonna be going with four devices and my laptop just so that I can reach Berlin in time so yeah I would need a max can't you just plug in you know while your dragon with a car charger yeah I don't want to use a car charger because it charges whatever current that wants to charge that stabilized current is charges only with 100 million powers and if my battery is 2500 milliamp hours that's not good and stuff like that I mean yeah yeah they were talking about yeah cuz you need to charge your phones with approximately ten percent of current of your current battery so if you have a 2500 milliamp hour battery the optimum charging the optimal charger would be to 250 million power battery charger for around eight or nine hours of course I've gotta go into much detail one probably able to write the technical editorial about this we have you it ok you can't do that no no I want out I'll tell my dancers I don't want to do any of the research you do the work I just want to read it ok so weak we are using fast chargers nowadays which are okay but think of Brandon any four of your current phones they have different battery types right 2500 2713 hundred stuff like that charging all of your phones with one charger will probably on the long term kill your battery well I mean I I'd love to see some data to that effect because when I go into the car and my phone needs juice and it's at fifty percent i plug it in by the time I park at my destination I'm at sixty-five percent I just increased my battery and my add the amount of juice I have that's all I see that's all I care about okay so show this out when I had the Dutch no I had the hd2 and I used that to navigate I had the charger and the with that charger being plugged in and navigation started the phone still depleted and the battery was super hot I could fry eggs on it yeah but the seat charger worked with other phones we assign is right we use when we sold car chargers we used to sell them with the yeah with the you know sales point that this will charge your phone faster because they they generally do because of that give the voltage or what it's differential whatever it isn't compared to a wall outlet because it's nothing it's DC and there's no I don't know what the technical reason is go ahead run um i was gonna say yeah sorry I it like there is I read about this in depth back in the day at our site called battery University dot-com which I will should sort of shamelessly pimp because it's an awesome awesome site to like get to know a little bit about lithium ion battery chemistry and stuff which sounds really dull but what it really comes down to is the site is like listen this is what happens when you charge your battery this is what happens when you charge your battery well and what you know when you don't charge your battery well and how these things prefer to be stored and why and you know this is it helped me understand a lot of things like why phones often come out of the boxes with half charge because that's where lithium-ion prepared you know prefers not be for long term term storage has forty percent yep is exactly forty percent as opposed to fully charged or fully depleted and anyway so that's that's a cool site and i agree Tony I think you should write a I just missed my nickel-cadmium batteries with memories like it better tell the ones that leaked battery acid all of ya yeah the good old Tony Tony I I'm gonna bet that you're the kind of guy that will get a new electronic and will cycle the battery up to a hundred you'll go down to zero even if that means you're playing a YouTube video at full brightness why you know while you go take a shower some actually I do that I do that two three I do that once a month because no theam ion and lithium polymer batteries don't have that memory effect but it is good to keep the the current flowing every now and then to keep the better get your calibrated as well yeah once a month absolutely you must also use disk defragmenter on a regular basis don't you not anymore I've evolved I'm running SSDs now all right hi well yes I do have I do have five or six different different wall chargers laying around depending on what type of phone i'm using and i'm blogging always the phone in its respective charger yeah imagine I Berlin bag it's it's so funny because I i love the devote the diversity we have you you guys seem to care tremendously about battery bad handling and I don't really care about that as long as it works and yet I care about having like a really good software experience that's not stock and you guys prefer to have stock because you don't care that it's so it's it's interesting that we have all these different perspectives and we're uh you know it is nice that our triumph imagine how boring would it do if we all agreed all the time I know ya know uh I i forgot i was gonna say something that effect two well you know it's interesting because Brandon like I feel like maybe and this will be the last thing I say about it this battery life thing I care about as a regular user and when I put myself in the shoes of a normal user that's i do care about it because you have to make sure you take steps to make your to share your battery lasts for the year two year contract or whatever right but as me who even before I worked for pocket now was was swapping out phones every six months you know at great expense to myself you know it doesn't really matter i can abuse the hell out of my batteries because i'm not going to be with whatever phone i'm carrying for more than six months or up to you know a year if i'm really really in love with it and that's only happened like twice so think of the next owner man the next oh yeah well you know I actually think what's so nice is on ebay you know you can just put that disclaimer it's like listen buy this phone from me it's gonna work it just fine but it's been it's been well used it's been well loved so don't buy it as a gift for anyone so anyway Before we jump into Windows Phone just really quick thing samsung says Apple ripped off pinch-to-zoom so so there's that I don't really want to talk about this but I think it's interesting that I think it's interesting to think where pinch-to-zoom came from because i know i saw it before the iphone came out and i don't know how or where maybe it was in the one of those early microsoft surface videos did you guys see pinch-to-zoom outside of minority report before before apple launched the original iphone mm-hmm nope Wow well maybe I'm either making that up or I am or I or I do remember it and I just can't cite it I was expecting you guys and say yeah now I know what you're talking about but since you didn't do that citation needed I have only a couple of sentences to say about this topic and I'll keep it short one is related to patents and I always try to come in on patterns because mm-hmm I like to believe that I know a little bit about them not too much the fact that somebody invents something whether it's multi-touch like in this case doesn't necessarily equal to the fact that there is a patent if the person the group of persons the company the entity who invented that thing didn't go with the process of patenting it then the next person who either invented it on their own or let them be stole the technology patents it if they don't attack that patent it's a valid patent that's what scent is number one it was a phrase actually and number two I can accept Samsung fighting back at apple and I'm also supporting them but if they want to attack this bed and why are they attacking it now they should have attacked it at the very beginning go with a different lawsuit and attack the very validity the core of the multi-touch button instead of bringing it up just as a new novelty in an existing lawsuit I think it's a strategic thing I mean these cases take years to put together and I think it's sometimes advantageous for them to wait because then they have even more evidence because Hey look they continue to infringe upon our patents yeah yeah it's okay thanks hey you know that's I'm Tony I'm glad and I didn't want to interrupt you but I'm really glad that you know something about patents I I do not and and it's there so so terribly important to the industry and I just don't don't follow them so yeah I don't know I i know i saw it somewhere and when the iphone came out with it i was like wow that's really cool that they integrated something as cool as pinch-to-zoom at this small scale because I've seen this on like a wall or something like that I'll have to look it up and see if it was on the original surface but hey before we move on to our windows phone um I'd like to share something that I that I came across yesterday and oh yeah I it's kind of a programming note because I found the video about it this morning there will be a video about it today or tomorrow at the latest I came across a new rom that does something so interesting and unique although it's it's it's the way that it doesn't because it's possible in Android right now if you know your way around it's called paranoid android and it's a rom series kind of like cyanogenmod or a okay p that is available for a multiple multitude of devices and it's especially good for devices that have high resolution big screens so we're talking Galaxy Note Galaxy Nexus galaxy s3 in this case the HTC One X and what it allows you to do is select which apps run in tablet mode and which apps are run in phone mode or or and or you can have the whole UI run in tablet mode so this is this is what I have on my one x I've got the notification bar at the bottom of the screen like an ice cream sandwich or honeycomb tablet so now I access my notifications by swiping up from the bottom in which is great which is great because on a big screen phone it's such a tremendous reach to the top of the phone not only that but I have my email app set up in a high DPI mode so now I have a two column you like you would get on an android tablet I've got my inbox on the left the message displays on the right I've got YouTube running in tablet mode so if you've seen the YouTube tablet app it's got this like wall of like tiltable scrollable sort of 3d looking videos yeah who and what paranoid android let you do is go into every app and tweak to a very fine degree how big the text is and how big the controls are and whether you want it in tablet mode or phone mode and on a display that's 120 x 1280 resolution like on the phones i just mentioned you can really make things very small and they're still very crisp so like this is just freaking me out because i feel like my phone has become a tablet in some cases and it's it's kind of a know in a weird way change the way i'm using this phone and further this is a paranoid android is actually based off of cyanogenmod so it's kind of like cyanogenmod 10 jelly bean with this ability on top so it's like it is so so cool she's it sounds just like the awesome i mean it's called paranoid question paranoid android okay go ahead one question you said that you're running the email application in tablet mode does it also affect the keyboard the size of the keys are they smaller or are they normal sized because if they are normal says that's awesome they are normal sized and the paranoid android is set up to leave some things alone like I seaboard um so but you if you want and it's actually kind of cool like on the Galaxy Note where you know normal sized keyboard is actually very wide it's kind of difficult to use you can actually shrink it to go in and kind of go in on itself to be able to use should be default yeah it should be and another place that I've got it in tablet mode is the setting so if you've ever used the settings on android tablet you've got two frames on the left kind of the scrollable thing that shows you Wi-Fi Bluetooth and on the right is is what you know what that item points to so instead of this commit yeah so instead of the single column view that every Android phone has I have this gorgeous to screen view and everything is super crisp and clear it's not like I'm squinting at it because the screen so bein high res so I've having a super time with that can't wait to see it that sounds awesome I can't wait to see these are you had me at notification area to be honest with you win it you move the notification area to the bottom of the screen I will be your friend no matter what what will who you are yeah and and it creates an interesting effect because um there's no notification bar at the top so apps now stretch all the way have a tough of the screen and it just it it feels nice it feels nice and also the notification shade on the bottom which operates in a very similar fashion to the when it's at the top but now like on a tablet you get all these quick toggles in a secondary screen and you know some third or some stock roms have have toggles at the top but they're like they take up a lot of space there in your face but in an Android tablet mode they're hidden behind a little click and so you'll see it on the video it's just it's beautiful and it works very very well i gotta stay tuned for that that's uh thank you for the for the for the warning this is that may go at the same day the podcast us we've got we kind of slide on over to windows phone while we're talking about not that nokia and microsoft have I think finally confirmed that on September fifth we're going to see some windows phone 8 running Lumias is that correct am I reading that right are we finally there is this is this true at least there will be a nokia and microsoft joint press conference on September 5 and it's just normal that everybody thinks that there will be something regarding Windows Phone 8 and nakia devices now whether it will be Microsoft showing off consumer-oriented features on nokia hardware or Stephen Elop goes on stage and shows off the first Windows Phone 8 it's it's still unknown well I'm very much looking forward to seeing that we've speculated on I think every single podcast episode so far about what Nokia is going to be doing with Windows Phone 8 on the hardware side so we don't need to do it again just because it's just going to reignite my curiosity and passion and anticipation so I I look at the the Lumia 900 kind of his practice for what we're gonna see the ball from from Nokia yeah that's that's a good call and I I would like to see just as an aside at something like the Lumia 900 with a the same blended display and casing hardware as the Lumia 800 which I found beautiful and I think they kind of missed the boat a little bit with it that display configuration on the loom 900 so senator no we keep seeing those bezel images pop up and those kind of blurry cam things and it's it'll be interesting to see how different or similar the new hardware is I'd like to talk to the guys at nokia marketing and ask them why they they're already at 900 because unless they're gonna start going to like 1100 and 1200 the names just get really weird from here on out I mean and you know they kind of start at two hundred what did they go with high no ones yeah they could do that yeah they could give themselves space like we do i'm not on the episode listings for three digit episode names but I feel like blackberry did that as well where blackberry was like you know it always on the upper end of whatever series of numbers they were at you know the pearls started at like 70 100 or whatever and you know that all the poles are in the 9000 device family and then they have to like like divide them further and parcel them out and then you get this ridiculous situation where it's like here's the 9810 and the 8080 940 and it's like this is this is just stupid and then you know you get that complicated than you have to go back down to a more streamlined naming scheme but remember when when phones were referred to only by extremely long model names and then and then they went in the complete opposite direction then we got like samsung fascinate samsung exhilarated awesome super extendo blast hybrid lay yeah i was gonna do i wanted to talk about a renaming of some motorola handsets on the podcast today was it tell me those um does the motorola or the galaxy blazer is now the galaxy exciter don't know Samsung gathered see the upcoming t-mobile samsung will no longer be the galaxy s blaze q but it will be the galaxy s relay 4g so they replaced an excellent moniker with an even better one I've I find your I cannot read your tone Tony cuz for me that's like it's like going from like a really horrible name to the one that's exactly okay I was like are you being serious cuz I don't want to insult your taste in the phone names anyway yeah well alright so blah blah that's yeah um speaking of weird names and also in the world Windows Phone chef Chevron windows phone seven phone unlocks has expired I never got into modding windows phone seven but I know that the chevron kind of project was critical to to unlocking Windows Phone to unlock the potential of Windows Phones if you didn't want to run them stock what does this mean that is yeah what's these beds my girl is locking them back like what's what's actually going on here I'll be honest with you I haven't read this story i just skimmed it so i knew what was going on I sort of followed this from from from a while ago because you know it just a few years ago are a little bit more than that windows mobile was the original sort of hackable mobile operating system and you know I would make it was so funny I would make videos about like point zero dot 0 dot one updates we're like Microsoft would slightly move the start button to the right a little bit and I barely change anything anyway so windows phone 7 came around um Android was already out and so the question was is Windows Phone 7 hackable can you do anything with this and then the chevron wp7 tool came out which allowed you to as far as i remember sideload apps and that's pretty much it I mean I think you could do some stuff like like change the background of your Start screen but Windows Phone has never been hackable and I I wish we could get a developer on here to explain why like it would be cool to any why couldn't you resize live tiles two years ago with windows phone seven or 7.5 I mean it can't be that programmatically difficult to do but it's just there's there's no development community better Windows Phone you right and isn't that strange because I mean the webos user base has the the like epitome of a homebrew community that really really deeply tweaks the OS and the Windows Phone community is no less passionate as we all know from from firsthand experience so why is that I mean it I figured that it must be a technical limitation there must be something that that makes it more difficult because I don't think it's for a lack of passion to be honest with alright I think what happened is that windows mobile users there was a there was a lapse between when windows mobile stopped and when Android or when when Android started and when Windows Phone came out and I think everyone that was on Windows Mobile that had were involved in the hacking scene went to Android very quickly and so and and it's a little bit different I think with webos because I think people that went on webos were sort of first-time users people that really wanted to take advantage of the foot of their phone they were like the anti iphone crowd but all of these power users were sucked into Android very early and there's really I mean that's one theory maybe that's yeah this is a possibility just a circle back a little bit to this Chevron thing I think that the sole purpose of Microsoft locking down devices is for security reasons unlocking phones was is and will be possible officially via the app hub and this basically allows developers to test their applications there early codes deployed to the phone itself and see how they behave now of course people like you and me or those good folks at the XDA developers wanted to have their own applications without being an official developer registered with the epub and that was the necessity for a phone to be unlocked I can totally get it what I don't get it is that Microsoft I think they have no clue of what they want they went on with this project they supported it I remember the chevron team going to redmond and they had the huge discussion and then Microsoft officially supported the chevron team and now Chevron is killing unlocks Microsoft is locking them back the chevron unlocking was a budget solution instead of paying I don't know I think it's a hundred dollars to be a member for one year to the app hub you'd basically pay a couple of dollars nine or ten or something like that for a token which would basically unlock your phone and if you're a developer would allow you to run your own applications or just distribute them and throughout the community so I think Microsoft didn't know what they want or just now they realize that they don't want this and the in terms of locking and unlocking phones it was a measure of security users from running code which is not officially supported in the zune marketplace yep yeah well well said i would i would think that that is a perfectly reasonable explanation for their motivations on that it's just you know I I think it's a shame from a just from a subjective standpoint but i don't i never saw a modded windows phone 7 device in the wild I've never maybe watched one or two videos where I've seen modded windows phone 7 devices and like Brandon said earlier like you've really can't couldn't do that much with it or not a lot of people did that much with it so you don't have the flexibility exactly so you know I I don't know this doesn't really make me it won't keep me up at night but it is it is a shame finally rounding up in the windows phone news here the this is fascinating somebody was asking me about this yesterday who I met at the Samsung event there's this rumor that the surface the Microsoft Surface for at least the one running RT could be released at a price point that puts it as cheap as the nexus 7 yes I predicted this oh ok I don't understand how this could possibly be so episode three or four it was right after the surface announcement and we were talking about possible price tags because Microsoft didn't say anything they just said that they will be in line with other tablets from other competitors and back then I said that okay the cheapest RT surface will probably be at the same price with a mid-range android tablet and the bro will be around the same price as the top model ipad and then you guys just said no that's not possible but just think about it for a second microsoft wants should be on the tablet market regardless if it's with their own product or with their hardware partners so if you come up with a Windows RT which is the lower end tablet and you price it 599 nobody's gonna buy that people will go either ipad or will go galaxy note 10.1 so the best thing Microsoft can do at least with their own hardware is push the price went down this way forcing their partners to push the price point down this way the entire ecosystem and the entire hardware partnership and stuff like that gadgets will have low prices recipe for success that I first excited I'm excited i pondered and fees why I can hear the excitement yes yes I I think yeah I mean Microsoft is um Microsoft is sitting there and they're there we've seen that they're perfectly willing to lose money they're just going to lose as much money as they want on Windows Phone you know in in this kind of quest to to get market share and it looks like they're just gonna bring that same attitude to tablets and they're gonna you know they're just gonna keep throwing money at the problem until they until they solve it so they did it with Xbox and look at them wrong yeah now how long did they do it with that xbox I mean how long was xbox like a loss leader for them Oh nobody knows I think when did that xbox what I mean it was a lot it was many years and um like the original the first gen xbox right you're talking about right yeah I think I think even you know when they launched the second xbox how many of their been three yesterday no to the X by the original xbox and the xbox 360 and then oh I guess there were multiple capacities of the 360 is what I'm thinking about underground until we're not gamers could it listeners I mean when the night comes we're gamers but um just kidding i'm a i-i-i am NOT your your lady you're not you're not multiplayer your single-player that's going on we are multiplayer in networking and now we're all yeah that with one joke we all we all get a little less attractive whatever if surface ends up to be as cheap as the nexus 7 or even in that neighborhood i will be not only very pleased i will be stunned i don't think this is going to happen I think I was loose so as high as 2 99 you'd go as high as 299 for what like a 16 gig surface yeah yeah um i would i would too I would go as high as 3 99 to be honest with you I'd go I'd go higher yeah don't give them ideas I know right well we were all talking about this in HP is not Microsoft we were all talking with us with HP in the touchpad last summer whatever it was it was like yeah they're going to release it and you know I'm sure they're going to price it down around to 99 and then they came out and they're like no we're gonna make this the same price as the iPad because we're well maybe maybe maybe maybe a couple of us are not making the best decisions anyway um blah blah blah blah I want to talk about iOS we're coming up on time here but there's thankfully there's not much iOS news just because we're toward the end of the podcast we've had some new iPad Mini shots pop up and some renders they're not terribly interesting what I find more interesting is that we have a report stating that the iphone 5 pre-orders are set to begin on sep tember 12th was that your that was your story Tony yes indeed it was and it's basically the same day when the keynote the alleged keynote is going to happen now i'm not sure if it will be September to help or not but there are many rumors talking about this and it's just normal for pre-orders to start the same day because that's what Apple does either available today or say pre-orders start today and they ship it or yeah ship at 10 days later so but I want to circle back to the ipad mini render just for a second there were a lot of conversations regarding the lack of the bezel on the ipad mini and i don't think that's that's the case I mean you guys have a 7-inch tablet I've seen 7-inch tablets you don't really need to have a bezel the sole purpose of the bezel on the iPad is for you to rest your thumbs on the side without covering the screen itself now for a 7-inch tablet you can easily hold it one hand like a phone from its back because it fits between the two of your fingers the two extreme fingers think about that you can do that when you're standing up but if you're like reading in bed or something like that and gravity's not on your side you just rest it on your chest uh yeah but I don't do that like you can rest on your chest but he's too close to your face because you can't read you know so like I have to hold it up above me when I'm when I'm reading in bed and for that I use my thumb's on the on the bezel so for me that the bezel is still helpful in that regard but I understand that there's a less of a case for it is a less compelling case than it is on a larger tablet yes yeah yeah yeah the other day i was using my iPad and I'm like you know I would love if I could have like a glove in the back that I could you know so my hand is doing and hold it kind of like a canvas and then I thought you know you know this could be the next big thing so I do some internet research and then I find on amazon there are like 400 straps for the back of the ipad and actually bought one and i got it like two days ago um it's a simple case it snaps onto the back of the ipad it's got this leather strap that actually pivots so you can hold it portrait or landscape and you just slip your hand in there and I I'm gonna do a video on it once I figure out if I if I'd like it let me cuz utilize this is it the same way you're holding the ipad right now as those I think it's the pitchers of baseball who are grabbing the ball with a huge thing on their hands no no it's a lot more because literally it's literally a leather strap and you just slide your hand in it like a mitten kind of yeah like a mitten I I am very much looking forward to this video Brandi you should have like a corner you should just have like a like a video corner all to yourself where it's like Brandon minimun tries out some weird stuff like that reminds me of the the video the M what was it the bluetooth the bluetooth handset that that old style one yeah that wasn't glue this was the audio audio jack yeah right Ruth yeah I love that now it's hearsay I'm looking forward to seeing that video that's awesome alright well it's that's a that closes out for news and we do have to stop on time so we have nothing in miscellaneous guys we have a lot of listener mail the problem is we have a lot of it 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you will do it anyway so anyway guys really we do appreciate the listener mail we're going to get to those on some of them on the next episode but please just keep them very brief will respond to you in person via email so before we wrap up here though we do have a two-minute debate session here uh I want to ask you Tony sent me a link to a very very interesting tweet from from chris webber at nokia and the tweet reads samsung take note next generation Lumia coming soon this was at 11pm on 15 august samsung take note is a very very interesting way of phrasing this tweet from this thus nokia person so who is chris webber by the way I didn't I with a ton of time to resident sake I USA president ok USA things listeners that we will file that under things you should know if you're Michael Fisher sorry so so the president of Nokia USA says Samsung take note next generation Lumia coming soon the question for the two-minute debate corner is do you think windows phone do you think Nokia will introduce a galaxy note like a windows phone phablet or just a windows phone phablet and will it be successful Brandon so that's a question will they really say well they have the opportunity to do so now that windows phone supports higher resolution screens I mean you're not going to take wvga 800 x 480 and put it on a 5.5 inch screen that would look atrocious uh I I think it's very conceivable no one's done it yet there's a Titan which has what a 4.5 inch screen or 4.3 screen and I think it would be successful I think Samsung has proven that people want phablets and um and you know I I think a lot of people think would it be cool to have this Metro interface on sort of like a tablet like interface well there's windows 8 for that but there's there there could be this awesome in between this 5.3 inch or whatever Lumia that has just this gorgeous thin polycarbonate backing with a high res screen and it's like those live tiles suddenly become infinitely more beautiful cuz there's they're huge kind of like Windows 8 so yeah I think I think it would be good I would probably be very interested to use one myself if it fit in the pocket nicely right and Tony well because of the exact phrasing and the time when they tweeted this we can think about three things when you say note you can think of a a large screen you can think of be a stylist or you can think of see a tablet now nokia definitely has the power and has what it takes to cover all three of these but we know that so far regardless of the nokia tablet rumors they were brushed off so i say a nokia tablet running Windows 8 is not feasible but as Brandon implied we might see a 5 point something inch Windows Phone running Windows Phone 8 from Nokia and you know what there's a slight chance we might see the stylist because Microsoft if anybody has what it takes to bring back the stylus so basically they're all their operating systems on mobile devices from the very beginnings until windows mobile 6.5 were basically based on the stylist so they know how to do it question is do they want to do it did they identify a niche in the market or is it just a huge device nakia phablet 6 inches and here we go and whether it will be yeah whether it will be successful I don't think so you don't think so I don't think so because Windows Phone 8 and Windows Phone 7 don't have that certain genetic wha which would make a large screen successful they are basically tiles and text and everything windows phone is just colors and text there are no graphics I mean there are graphics of course but not just like an Android and the fact that Windows Phone 8 allows you to make these quarter sized tiles on a you know on a you know four-point-oh inch screen those little tiles are gonna be difficult click targets but on a 5.3 inch screen those little tiles will make a lot of sense so maybe you'll have all little tiles as in and maximize the you know screen space there yeah but imagine the text once you go into the settings text would be huge of course with the proper resolution text will be smaller but yeah right if it's right if it's custom-built for it yeah which I don't know I think that it stands a really good chance of of coming out first of all I think that that's a very very loaded statement for the president of Nokia USA to say especially in the date and time when the galaxy note 10.1 from Samsung was being released like at that moment so yeah which is a tablet it's not a phone it is yeah but I feel like it's related enough to the to the phone you know to the phone world because it runs essentially this mobile OS that that Nokia could have used it to like try and steal a little bit of thunder and Twitter there and try and build a little bit of buzz Tony I agree with you completely and breaking it down into these three possibilities really could be a stylist could be fab Lika be a tablet except tablet just probably a write-off whatever I think they'll do a large screen windows phone and I think that would not be at all successful windows phone 7 as we saw like you mentioned brandon with the titan it's just it doesn't translate well to a big screen but with Windows Phone 8 boy that would be something else cuz sizable tiles like you can make it you can make it an information-rich interface you know you even more so than seven does and with all that real estate and a much higher resolution you can really make that into a landscape of information so one more thing this coming soon I'm betting a buffalo nickel that Stephen Elop will show this device off on September 5 this this this device that has hinted at in this tweet yes this one there may be so I hope so and we'll see we will uh we are at time gentlemen before I get to the wrap-up branded you have anything else huh no but thanks Rosie all right antoni um one more podcast until IFA will be there and to podcasts from now will be Bob casting on site from Berlin it's gonna be it's gonna be awesome awesome and I've got my blue Yeti 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