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Pocketnow Weekly Episode 011: iPhone 5, Mapplegate, Android's Future, and HTC-vs-Nokia

2012-09-27
from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 11 of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss news and opinion insights happenings of all kinds from the world of mobile technology smartphones tablets phablets you name it I'm your host Michael Fisher senior editor at pocket now I'm joined today by our core podcast team our editor-in-chief Brandon minimun good morning to you sir good morning and our managing editor and Tandy Naja good afternoon to you welcome back thank you very much as good to be back here everyone it's good to have you back it's been way too long it's been like three weeks and that's an absurd amount of time not to have you on the on the podcast well we'll see how many complaint emails were received it we will how I but you haven't been your hands have not been idle you have some news from from Romania all sorts of news depending on which one you're referring yet I mean is it the going back and forth to Berlin use or is it the the other news oh right the other news is more important and makes and doesn't make me look as as incompetent let that anybody cares but I am happy to announce that as of yesterday I am a double citizen of Romania and Hungary ass this event this is this is important for me because since Romanian people are required a visa to enter the state's Hungarian people are not so I'm getting closer and closer to laying foot on US territory for the first time right for the first time indeed it's really really awesome good tony was was an excellent host in berlin for me for four eva and i am looking forward to returning the favor with showing him many American customs like dousing all sorts of meats in cheese and being very sedentary and I'll see you out yes you you are required to sit on a couch for an extended period of time while eating the most fattening variety of chips that you can find dry wood and and you must also go to a Starbucks every morning and spend at least five dollars on your morning beverage when you could probably go to you know you probably make it for a 30 cents right it will be an interesting experience yes ago congratulations that's actually really awesome thank you that's that's great news will look forward it'll be great it wouldn't it be cool to do a podcast all on the same room Alan be awesome I think we're not even do that in the near future yeah I hope so let's see Brendan 20 in ski I'm sorry Tony the the other bit of news is that you are finally fully equipped in a computer II sense yes yes indeed and just to keep it very very short when when Michael Fisher my dear colleague was coming to the IFA in Berlin he was supposed to bring me a computer of from a particular maker a u.s. computer maker but unfortunately the computer arrived dead so Michael came to Europe without any computers we got a refund and well in Berlin I placed an order with that certain store which we don't have here in Romania and they told me it will be arriving to my hotel in approximately six or seven days so I said it's okay for me to extend my stay in Berlin but after a couple of days it's got extended to a week or so so I came back to Romania and upon arriving in Romania I received an email that it's gonna be shipping and delivering soon so I just went back to Berlin again glad the computer and came back to Romania it was a hassle but it was worth it well that'll teach you to order from from dell in the future point taken good lesson um well ya know it I'm glad it's all been solved and I'm glad that Tony you got to revisit one of our favorite pizza hut in Berlin yeah indeed the cheesy crust rules man yeah thanks for that and there's our commercial exactly there's our sponsor alright well Before we jump into the news here there's a lot to cover Brandon had you have your customary spot to do with as you will oh very nice please please wait would what have you for us today well so so um the other day I on the iphone five I ran a speedtest over AT&T LTE network and I got an absurd and very unexpected 52 megabits per second down holy yeah if I could whistle I would whistle right now okay ship whistle I can't you go oh you can't I just get ready yes free get your gs3 send yourself up Dex good call yeah you're right so so you get this 52 down Wow and I start thinking for at least the last the last two or three years there's been parody between what kind of speeds you can get on an average connection here in the US of A and what you can get on a on a high-end smartphone so for example 3g came around and did speeds of like 1.5 megabits per second to like 3 megabits per second down and at the around that same time probably i don't know 2010 i might have the dates wrong you know most people in the US were getting like 3 megabits per second down on their typical Comcast or Time Warner connection or what have you and then you know hspa+ came around and that was boosted to about 6 megabits per second down maybe 10 if you're on some of you know t-mobile's faster network and and then around that time maybe 2011 speeds in the US were bumped to around there and then you know verizon built out there fiber-optic network in the US and for a very reasonable price you can get 25 down residential here in the US and around that time verizon launched their LTE network and most people got about twenty five megabits per second down so it all kind of made sense and then you know LTE on eighteen t is very unused because it's new and so that 52 that I got was probably because no one was on very few people were on a particular network I was connected to and it's probably going to settle around where verizon is around 25 or 35 but what happens in the relative near future when Verizon probably going to they're gonna do it first deploy LTE advanced because for those unfamiliar with LT lte-advanced it's kind of a piggyback off of LTE kind of like hspa+ was a piggyback off of 3g or UMTS and the feet feel I can't say this word theoretical Seton who theoretically Nine's right guys right theoretically yeah well without the ly the seal oh oh via reticle that's it okay in theory lte-advanced last I read can do like a gigabit down which is a thousand megabits per second and obviously we're far off from that but when when when LTE advanced advanced launches and there's no news of it yet because LTE is still in its infancy let's say two years from now which is actually a very long time two years from now we get 50 megabits per second down we get a hundred megabits per second down what what will that change on for our mobile experiences because I'm thinking I kind of I guess I'm putting a little negative spin on this kind of questioning you know why you know faster is always better but like him are you gonna are you gonna pull down a web page you know point two seconds faster or are you gonna be able to upload a little bit faster I want to ask you guys what do you think lte-advanced well will will enable in terms of what you can do on a mobile device with 100 megabits per second down do you guys remember back in the day I'm not sure I mean I'm sure some of our readers do when we had those good old computers with those super big large and noisy hard drives and the hard drives were actually slower than some internet connections at least in this region so it will download theoretically at speed X but it would only download at speed X minor something because the hard drive wasn't able to write in that speed so I think that we will have high speeds and our phones but will the hardware be able to write or cope with that amounts of data well I remember that that was quite a bottleneck back when we were I was still working on sprint and we were trying to sell against the the iphone at AT&T and we were selling the HTC Touch at the time and the bottleneck wasn't in the data speed because evdo rev 0 which had just launched her breve or something and so the data speed was fine but the bottleneck was in the processing power of the hardware and on internet internet explorer or whatever mobile version it was running on Windows Mobile five so yeah I think you're right i think it's important to keep in mind what the hardware can do it's not just a matter of the connection speed but you know even i think this is a case of we don't know you have not yet imagined all of the possibilities because those speeds are not available to us yet but you know we think humankind shows in an amazing capacity to to come up with with things to fill space right so if there's empty space we can come up with awesome media to fill it and I I don't know i mean the first thing that comes to mind is just did these absurd demands for 1080p video on mobile devices for some reason i think this is not the first things to fill that gap yeah I was gonna I was gonna ask you you know what can you do differently on your LTE galaxy s3 or whatever then you could that you couldn't on your you know your uh whatever phone and and that's that's a good answer 1080p video strip you can even do 1080p because the screen is not given what 720p 7 from YouTube all day long no buffering it's great and you chat and a high fidelity audio as well I mean if we get spotify as those many quality settings where it's like if you want if you're on a 3g connection you better not put it at highest but if i had an unlimited pipe like LT does this pretty well I'll put it on max quality and that's a totally different listening experience and I'm not even that big an audiophile you know well don't forget that I'm in Romania and I have 3g speeds and I have no problem with the with the highest setting also it you know it also depends on the stability stability of the speed often the network itself is very true yeah okay so so I understand your point Michael that we can kind of can't imagine right now what will be possible with 100 megabits per second down because we haven't gotten there yet a lot of things have to happen and a lot of smart people have to rub the brain cells together but I guess I I'm suggesting that we come up with one or two things right now and just spur of the moment they might not be the most brilliant things ever but let's let's imagine let's uh let us um cue the harp music in the puffy cloud well yeah no I mean they're they're in hand like look what look what just happened for example with the Twitter application okay so I'll go social media cuz that's my thing like the Twitter app for of the new twitter app for iOS 6 dropped and for the ipad and it's totally different and it's you know makes use of more prominent placement of graphics and things of that sort i think it's that I think we can't think of the few your internet as this thing with like web pages as we know them today I mean they're going to be it's not they're not necessarily going to be packed with media but they're going to make use of a lot more yeah yeah and maybe not more imagery which is higher quality imagery maybe textured you know textured pages and things that things of that sort so I just think that the nature of the internet will change going forward as our data capacity you know increases so I think we'll see more dense stuff that's as close as I can get to a prediction for more dense is stuff that's a really good point I mean for example on pocket now we tend to compress images and one of the reasons is to make it faster for mobile users and and those on a slower connection to not have to wait and you know not like the days of 56 k see an image kind of you know why William line by line yeah actually you know that's a good point cuz I was just about to send you Brandon something a document with it's it's it's no secret it's it's like an expense report and I have images of receipts inside it and I exported it last night to an HTML file and you forget sometimes that that applications like Evernote will compress the images so all these images that fit within this note in an HTML file were full size and I look at these giant like 8 megapixel images I've taken with the galaxy s3 or something and I'm like wow there's so much more data on some parts of the internet or even some parts of your you know of your local computer then you think so that's another example it's like yeah we we compress images on our pocket now pages what if what if we didn't post resized smaller images that are compressed less what if they were full size all the time that's yeah that would be one instance I'm sorry Tony I didn't mean to run over your answer there no it's not a problem i just have a closing argument do you guys think that the priority in the near and mid future will be mobile I mean just think of it land lines and and the internet which you have normally by a fiber optics on your main computer were the the number one internet connection everybody used and mobiles only played catch up to that we have 50 100 150 megabytes per second and speed while mobiles are just right now trying to bump to 25 50 do you think that in the near future this this balance will shift towards Mobile's being faster than normal internet if that's not a good question no no I don't think so because I mean you look at right now Verizon just wrote out their quantum which is uh they're bumping people with 35 down to 75 down and then they have up to three hundred down and the thief I'm not gonna use that word again the ber at the theoretical maximum of fiber optics to your to your house not you know through the copper line like some other providers do i think is well beyond a gigabit per second because it requires a lot of power and and because just just just by virtue of the the power issues or battery power issues on mobile devices you know battery technology evolves a lot slower than verizon's ability to flip a few switches and bump the power to the line to your house in your modem yeah well that's true and then there's the spectrum crunch as well where it's like you have to fit all these users into the same amount of the same slice of spectrum on a cellular network and that those bandwidth considerations are less critical on the you know on the landline side but but I think Tony you make a good point out the focus of almost everything else is mobile I mean going forward you know we just saw a report that like something like twenty five percent of new tablet purchases maybe in America are our of new computer purchases are tablet mm-hmm you know so yeah I think I think the focus elsewhere is in mobile I think that it's just going to take if if we ever are able to stave off our appetite or fulfill our appetite for spectrum that's closer Minh what we can do plus imagine if you're using the the new iPad to navigate and we are using your gs3 or your 1x and it starts burning after 30 minutes imagine help how phones and tablets would burn literally when using high-speed internet right it's a problem now what's up some advices really won't heat up when you're on LTE it's very true yeah bless the battery implications yeah I think and I think some of the decor of that is I don't know if it's the LTE module or if it's the the Qualcomm Snapdragon s4 but I remember using the the quad core version of the galaxy s3 first and I was like oh this thing doesn't warm up at all and then I got my hands on the American the LTE version and it's like wow this this really cooks your palm even with moderate load hmm so it's it's it's interesting but good good topic corner there let's uh I want to I want to use that bit about processor it's a segue a little bit into our iOS section which we're kind of going to do first here because we had a story today I think was today that it was just some some kind of really brief official confirmation it was Tony was your piece right on the about under processor yeah the processor underclocking and you know very it's nothing official yet I mean Apple is still silent about technical specifications of the apple a6 chip but the Geekbench application which was initially used to benchmark and test the iphone 5 against other android phones has been updated and the new update brings hardware support for the iphone 5 in terms of making it capable of reading the specifications correctly and the new version of geekbench now shows that the apple a6 processor is running at 1.29 gigahertz so that's one point three gigahertz and despite of the fact that the benchmark maker denied to engadget that the apple iphone 5 does any sort of dynamic underclocking and i think it was 9to5 mac who obtained a screenshot of the same processor clocking below 600 megahertz and this is something which of course other smartphones do and other platforms computers also do this but but for iOS users for the iphone this is something good because once you need that load that specific power it will just run at 1.3 and if you're just browsing a page which is fully loaded or listening to send music when your screen off it would just save power by underclocking the CPU I didn't know about that for the longest time like I think it was only about a year or two ago that I learned about variable processor speeds like I didn't know that they changed dynamically so I remember using a homebrew application on my HP vr4 wit web West or something where you could really dial down the minimum speed of the of the of the cpu or blasted up into the stratosphere if you wanted to you can manually control it and it was so interesting to watch the device responsiveness change depending on you know what you had your your CPU cycles set at and the same thing will happen on a the galaxy s3 with samsung's new power saving mode if you go into power saving mode I think it puts a like a 300 megahertz ceiling on the processor speed it's a capias feet gap yeah so it's like I mean it runs like it's 2009 hardware trying to run you know ICS it's amazing what would be interesting to see and here beside an official confirmation of this would be the amount of times the processor and the system itself is capable of changing this this frequency because say you are in a 600 megahertz Mel doing nothing and then you power up your I don't know game or or a an application which needs power just to know exactly how many times per second can it switch frequencies to high from high to low because the faster we can do that the better for for the application for the experience and for the battery right that's uh I want to I want to kind of use that to leap into the the iphone 5 here because this is the first time we've this is the first podcast we've had since we got the iphone 5 which i think brandon you you did something like it was close to about 47 videos this weekend wasn't it you if there are comparisons galore at at pocketnow.com bridge between the 1x the gs3 and of course the full review can you brandon is one of several people on the team who's got a ten iphone 5 i'm not one of them and I don't think Tony you are either so Brendan which I am preparing to preorder one tonight because in the 28th yet it will be available in 22 more countries of course Romania is not among them but i have a neighboring country of which citizen i recently became and i'm preparing to order one from there cool well it's um since neither one of us have one of the in the interim though in Brandon's the only one on the team with a granted you i read your review and it was it was is great to actually get your thoughts on it but can can you just kind of tell us tell us in your own words how your time with the iPhone 5 has been going yeah so it it's funny cuz everytime I I get the new iphone in every year now the sixth year well this I guess it was different the first two years or three but I always think the same thing wishes wow this is a really awesome device it does everything everything that it does it does very well mix cause well as it takes photos well I browse the web well and then there's always a but and the but changes sort of from generation to generation with the iphone 4s the the but was i waited a year and I got the same exact device just a little bit faster um yeah uh the the but with the I guess there were sort of dirt there are two butts with the iphone 5 and i'm i'm not talking about i cannot wait until the jolie by live tweet yeah yeah I'll just leave that to the two butts are that iOS 5 6 is it's 56 then the new one yes I wish I sick iOS 6 shouldn't have been called iOS 6 it should have been called iOS 5.5 yeah and and you will get like what what what a the differences between Windows Phone 7 and 8 you look at the difference between Android you know two and three and three and four am i yeah right three and three and four is the big via the big leap yeah um and and you know things look different things feel different and that's the most important part is that they feel different iOS doesn't feel any different they polished little tiny places and at the end of the day I kind of feel like I've been for what I've been tricked so so that's the first thing I'm truly tired of iOS and the only thing that makes me it's still excited about this device is that it like I said it does everything very well which is not to say that the galaxy s3 that I was using you know two weeks ago doesn't do everything that it does well the other but is that the hardware while extremely beautiful is flawed these metal edges there's something significantly wrong with them um yeah they're beveled right there there's a different is that the part that chips that you were talking about here here that's the part that chips and on the black model which looks a lot nicer than the white model I should add it is far worse yesterday I saw my bro who got the black one and he was pointing out to me on his edges there are numerous scratches from the factory remind mine has a nick from the factory and then he went on to use the device for the last you know since friday which is not that long and he's very careful with his phone and he pointed out a variety of other nicks and scratches there on his device so while his iphone 5 looks really badass from afar it's black its menacing looking um looking up close you're like wow this almost looks like junk it scratched all over the place um and you know I I can't imagine that Apple's going to recall there are five million iPhones that they sent out already it's a design flaw just like the issue with the iphone 4 with the antenna issues it's a design flaw and you know what kind of fly mean are they using soft metal that's too soft like I mean is it what's the deal it's too I i think the aluminum softer then than other metals right it's lighter but it's softer trick right right and the end they they did this you know beautiful polished edge and i guess when you when you i guess they're exposing their was taking off the top layer of the metal whereas on the back it has a layer on it a sort of a protective layer but but on these sides it's just it's kind of like raw metal uh um and so it's kind of upsetting right cuz you've got this new awesome feeling in your hand device it's expensive it feels expensive and then you look around the edges up closely and you're like or could i drop this know the funny thing is that if you guys remember back in the iphone 4 days the problem was with the iphone 4 and white I mean Apple had problems with the getting the exact color mm-hmm and in the white shape now we have problems with the black one of course aluminum is not a metal which you can easily paint so I'm not defending Apple right here because they did a terrible job with their quality control but anodizing the aloo brings a thin layer of color of another material on top of the aluminum itself so when you drop it when you scratch it when you do something which bothers that certain layer of color on top of deals on them yeah it just exposes the material underneath which is the aluminum itself so they really should have thought of this even at the cost of never having a black iphone just have it like like the max have its silver have it aluminum natural color because they should have known that this is prone to happen it's according to our friends at Wikipedia anodizing increases the thickness of the natural phone call increases the thickness of the natural oxide layer on the surface of metal parts so it's okay so I get that and it's it's for durability right and it's for if we're increased resistance to wear but yes but when it ships all branches off it's very obvious right I just one one more thing to get back to what Brendan said about iOS 6 being iOS 5.5 I ninety percent agree with him but that ten percent in me says no and let's take a look at this in the following way so far we only had one screen resolution on the iPhone 4 and 4s and two screen resolutions on the on the iPad and the new iPad these were all they all had in common the iphone's resolution i mean the the retina display is almost a double up now the iOS 6 brings a completely new resolution to the table which means that they probably had to redesign some core aspects of the platform to support now one two three four resolutions in total so probably not because of the features but because of redrawing the core elements that they thought of making it iOS 6 and not 5 point something this is what I think yeah that that could be it and speaking of a taller screen resolution I find it very ironic that Apple's App apples apple store app has not been updated for the taller screen oh really so what there's there's black bars on the top and bottom they do it like how could that possibly be I don't know but but but you know I think I think I'm being a little little negative on the iphone right now but I should say that while iOS 6 does indeed bore me it it's kind of ok because the iPhone 5 is dramatically faster in my opinion then then the iphone 4s like I cannot get it to slow down and too bogged down in in the in the review video I did I was double tapping the home button and switching between apps and I'm and not just you know static apps but camera something that has to open a video that has to show up on the screen and be stored in memory and you cannot slow this thing down it is blazing fast well that is entirely supported by some story that pc world round where they said the iphone 5 is the fastest phone they've ever benchmarked is that correct yeah to a certain extent yes but i have to say this I also think I corrected it in my post and their headline says the iPhone 5 is the fastest phone in the land and this is a very important aspect because the land obviously the u.s.a doesn't have the quad-core Exynos processor on the galaxy s3 and doesn't have the quad-core Tegra 3 on the HTC One X they will probably have the quad-core exynos on the note 2 so they have compared the iphone 5 with the dual core versions of other android phones and yeah probably faster but once you compare it with the GS read the global version or even the HTC One X the difference is either smaller or the iPhone 5 is just the second or the third one yeah that's what I'm thinking the add the galaxy s 3 quad-core it's gotta be i'm gonna guess it's gonna be faster and especially the note 2 with the quad core what time do you think they perform as well though i like it do you think they can reproduce they in your experience in the vert in the head head to you know ken the galaxy s3 keep up with the new iphone 5 in that sense of UI responsiveness you know that's it that's a good question i I kind of always look at the galaxy s3 is as with cyanogenmod 10 living and i can say that signage in montana galaxy s3 with screen animations turned off it absolutely feels faster than the iphone 5 my purpose and saying that the iphone 5 fuels ridiculously fast is i'm just comparing it with the 4s but the the fastest feeling phone i've ever experienced is the quad-core galaxy s3 with cyanogenmod 10 that thing just is just like everything sorcerer taneous it'll I'll think about a nap and it'll open it before I even get to it it's just amazing this is very very true but we need to keep it stock so when we do comparisons between phones we always tend to keep it as stuck as possible so the out-of-the-box experience because not every Android user is a super power user so what I'm saying here is that the galaxy has free the quad core version is even out of the box with ice cream sandwich faster than young iphone 5 I've geek benched mine and the highest score i got was closed 1800 which compared to the 1500 and something on the iphone 5 is faster so so and that's without jelly bean so keeping it though like in the from the viewpoint of the of the average user right who thinks who hears geekbench and thinks and like visualizes some nerds desk all right Andrew doesn't know what the hell a bench a gig benches or doesn't give it a damn about any of that I feel like still and maybe this is you know maybe this is me and I am wrong because i don't have the iphone 5 yet but i still feel like from what i've seen video wise the UI responsiveness and the the way it feels would it would be very surprising for me to hear anyone say that the galaxy s3 is able to keep up with the iphone 5 from a UI perspective and i'm not saying the galaxy s3 is slow I think it's definitely the fastest android phone I've ever handled even the dual core version all I'm saying is the iphone 5 i think is still faster am I wrong it depends on how the operating system has been built and sure and iOS was always built with the the user experience in mind I mean they I think it was a report that iOS always renders the ethics and whatever you have on your screen with high priority than others those two bunked yeah that was there was a whole big thing like yeah but but again there's project butter which which brings that to android because previous versions of android didn't prioritize certain processes but now project butter not only prioritizes it but it anticipates it right yeah and and it's you know interviewing the iphone 4s and below it was kind of a little bit easier to recommend an iPhone device if you wanted a smooth refined experience but jelly bean I always come here on here and say this gently being fixed Android and it's no longer about the smoothness anymore and and it you know maybe five percent of devices have android devices of jelly bean at this moment in time but um you know think the gap is is definitely closing at least in that respect which is a very important component it's how you interact with it it's how you experience this is also true yes but the then then again you have to know that you are comparing a quad-core experience with a dual core experience now how about if you compare jelly bean on a dual-core one point three gigahertz processor with the iphone 5 i'll see you that yeah we'll have to do that and seeing exactly at the same specs which is faster iOS 6 or jelly bean because jelly bean of course brings support for multiple cores and quad core processors are almost always faster if applications are done right then dual-core processors connect application zar done right can I use that can I use this as a little spring board here because I kind of want to I want to do something I want to want to move move on a little bit but on newsroom which is a series you should watch if you're at all into the news sometimes if big newsworthy stuff drops they'll say throw out the rundown and that's what i want to say because we were going to talk about Windows Phone decks but I kind of want to we started talking about jelly bean i kind of want to jump into android but before I do I want to ask Brandon if you've got anything else or Tony on the iphone 5 because i really want to ask about jelly bean as it relates to what we're talking about aside from the fact that i can't wait to have it and to see firsthand what that Mapple gate is about which should i haven't seen it yet except yeah for on my iPad you have to touch on that yeah I really did a lousy job on that now I'm sure they will fix it in a couple of months in six months something like that they will bring it i'm not saying it will be better than google mac but they will fix it but at the moment it just sucks so I mean how bad does it suck Brandon like is it is it a core functionality problem like I saw somebody on my Facebook feed this morning say that the on their new iphone the the maps application thinks that harvard square which is right down the street from me in cambridge is in like Kentucky somewhere like I mean is it that bad like does it was it gonna get you did you know drive you off a cliff or what I don't think so I mean it works and it works fine it's just it's half baked and to see a half two big product like you just described a scenario and I've seen several of those I've seen you know my local high school I was driving by an open maps not while driving and it misspelled the high school name I mean that the high schools been there for like 50 years it's just like little things it's just so unexpected in an apple product they obviously ship this thing too early it's not it's not good enough and this is and this is the US where all the focus on mapping data is now imagine my country which is not even a top European country I have a shopping mall here in Oradea where I live and it's called Lotus center and when I look that up on google maps of course it finds it but when I look it up on iOS 6 it finds some I don't know what kind of a lotus fleece market or something like that in the States I mean come on I don't have I don't think i have two or 3p oh wise in my in my city on iOS 6 it it's it's very clear that Google is gonna release a Maps app for iOS 6 and uh you know I think they will you don't think they will I don't think say we're ambling to do it I think they'll just let it all burn ass no think because this isn't this is a huge opportunity for google google wants everyone in the world to use their products and services all is on that stuff yeah and and you know and it's an apple can't reject that app because yes the tremendous they can technically but they're not going to because everyone's gonna be extremely upset about that and it's gonna be really bad press for Apple who will look like big brother yeah but if they accept that application nobody will use iOS maps and then again well in the purpose of iOS maps is to be used until they make it better which they will do like apples like they've got egg on their face right now I mean this is a company that is enormously devoted to its own sense of face and pride and the fact that they've launched this app that's that's getting this amazing level of backlash it's got to be the one of the most embarrassing things they've they've done in recent memory so they're going to fix this by the way church you go go on Brendan I was just gonna say real quick what's interesting is that apparently the maps app in iOS 6 is cloud-based so they can update data without having to push out another version of the app this was something I wanted to dodge it bun yeah it's it's a cloud-based and it's the how should I say this is crowd-sourced if I made did you guys see that statement the tomtom spokesperson said that there's nothing wrong with the maps there's nothing wrong with the mapping data they are still the leaders in mapping data of course not yet would disagree and they just said that Apple that allows the implementation of that of that mapping data I just not see that but that as well I didn't know they were doing that kind of finger pointing no they didn't yeah man I mean like I feel like if your tomtom whatever I don't know that's I don't really think much about Tom Tom but there there there there partner right there their launch partners yeah but it but the experience is just is just bad press for tomtom and they won of course keep their name their high up on the list right yeah I remember we talked about often about how it's increasingly difficult to impress people with smartphone features and smart phone hardware and fly over has given me a new opportunity to impress people and so I I type an empire state building and then I click on the thing and then I click on the thing and I'm like wow look at this and all the while I'm doing this and i'm thinking i'll never use this future if you did not go I mean it that's fun when you do like I used to do it when augmented reality was a thing and you hold up your phone and it's like hey check it out you can see all the sites in real time and of course it's it's not a useful feature in the slightest but it really impresses the hell out of people I was showing off iOS maps to somebody who was recently visiting me and of course it's it's no match to google street view but of course flyover is excellent but I couldn't find more than two or three spots on the planet which which have flyover enabled I mean Empire State Building yes Big Ben yes but I search for Eiffel Tower and no I've searched for the PISA tower and no so we have two venues or free banquet venues around the world where you can use this how often do you guys go to the Empire State Building or to the Big Ben well it's ridiculous yeah do you guys do you guys uh do you street for you a lot are you upset that there's no street view in maps and I 06 I haven't used it I mean maybe occasionally once or twice a year when I'm at the mwc or Aoife and I need to know specifically whether that street is the street I'm looking for but else no yeah no I mean I use it i use treat you more I used to feel kind of sparingly but it would be it certainly is useful when I do have to use it I like showing up to a place and being like not only yes I know I'm on the right corner but oh yes I have actually seen these storefronts before yeah yeah it's very very useful so it's it's it's annoying that it's not there do you think do you think they'll do that does Apple I mean Apple certainly as the resources to do you think they have the will to like because they're night they can't use Google's imaging data right from from their Street food like they would have to go and drive everywhere in tears not a chance and lend ya the truth it would take years and so much so many well if they have the resources but here's here's how I see iOS maps in two or three years I see them being as accurate as Google Maps and obviously Apple will will probably try to strive towards having flyover enabled across the globe so fly over being available everywhere would be a great response to google street view yeah yeah what no you're absolutely right that would that would be helpful I mean because it kind of does about sort of the same thing maybe even a little bit better if you hate is good enough right and it's and it's on their servers so it will only come down to your data speeds and your how much data you are consuming yeah that's a good thought I like that thought on I want to say one more thing about the iphone before we move on please do please do so in the review I said I kind of like the lightning thunder no it's lightning over the connector yeah I like it it's it's satisfying the plug-in it's reversible and I think people discount how important reversible is but you know microUSB you gotta get it in right that's what anyway well that's not good ok Joe Levi let's see what you can make out of this so anyway the when I was preparing the review I took took an HD video on my phone I had some from the previous days and I was like right now I gotta get this this video onto my computer so I'm like oh plugging the cable and i'm at my office and i look around and i have the 30 pin and I'm like oh no I don't have to go home do I and so I start thinking about every possible way I ok I can do itunes Wi-Fi sync no you have to plug it in and turn in Wi-Fi sync and then so I contact high man like Jaime I know there's a way to get this video off this phone he's like uploaded to YouTube i Sabbah dog food yeah right doesn't drive right I uploaded to yak I you know I was wishing that Android at that moment I I uploaded it to youtube it compressed it to 720 well I can't release a video sample that's 720 and compressed and so high said I found an application that sets your phone up as a Wi-Fi server and it allows you to transfer something or other so I had to buy this app to enable it to tap into my photostream but it would not photos through my camera roll but it would only work with photo is not video desaad yes so so then I'm like you know I I should probably have another I have another lightning cable I keep at the office so I go online and I try to find a lightning cable which Apple isn't even shipping yet extra lightning cables and then it just got me a little bit angry because if only a pod included that egregiously priced $29 accessory with every iPhone mmm I wouldn't have to you know spend you know in 30-40 minutes on the road driving back home to get the lightning cable so damn it a couple of years from now you will have five or six lightning cables laying around just like we have 30 pin cables right now from your iPad your iPhone from your iPod so you will have so many it's just the beginnings i'm not gonna go i hope i wanted i wanted something which was magnetic like the max a yes no ok so what I mean really cool yeah but you know even I mean just just from a you just throw the cable the whole cable connector style out like this is like a five or six year old complaint but I don't care i'll say it again i am did the fact that that apple doesn't give you access to the file system on iOS devices is just easy only is the geekiest thing i'll ever say because usually I'm the champion of the everyman am I get our native file system throw it out but me I'm in that situation all the time with my with my ipad which i use for some photography ha LOL i'm an idiot but you know yeah i look like a moron taking out photo what do you mean by fly alexis system because i mean i can't like if i want to transfer a photo from an ipad to my to my mac or chewing to a desktop machine I have to that first of all have to connect it with the wire if I don't want to email the photo and deal with the compression and all that kind of show and like I have to use iPhoto I have to use after you have a generation right to import the images directly all I want you know if I'm trying to deal with a raw file that I don't want software to get its hands on and to fiddle with and whatever I just I just want to drag and drop and I can't do that I can't see what you know what I mean like yeah but you can always either upload it to your Dropbox then a photo stream uploaded right but if you're dealing with video though like all those applications will will compress it they'll do their weird stuff to it they'll you know rather than just letting me all right let me plug this in let me drag and drop this over I see what you mean but Windows Phone is the exact thing no I'm not saying I'm will employ yes cuz windows phone has emulated like the iOS environment you know at the moment yes yeah I mean it's whatever it but that's a whole different thing I'm not gonna I'm just can I just be honest I'm really just annoyed that wires are still around and we already talked about wireless stuff when Jaime was on and apparently judging by all the comments everyone still loves wires so yeah me too all y'all can just eat it you guys the magsafe adapter can guess why they didn't do it well I have a couple of five years your magnets would that take up some space that's one cheer that's one okay that's one and plus the magnets the magnets and and the antenna with the antenna which are on top and on the bottom wouldn't play nicely with each other and the magnetometer as well the compass but then again the ipad has magnets inside it screen because of the smart cover which snaps into place on the left and on the right and it doesn't have anything to do with the with the compass and stuff like that so probably they didn't want to have something which was or plus if you look at the magsafe adapter it has four or five pins and the Mac save two is also smaller now the lightning cable has eight or nine contacts if I'm right so in order to have a magnetic something like that it would have been needed for them to be in the context to be aligned in one single line and that would have taken up too much space on the bottom of the phone just just rambling here's just yeah a couple of random thoughts why branded you have something specific that you're thinking about also sort I mean a long odds we've been talking I mean it's the placement of the magnet it there's a speaker right near the connector and you can't really put a magnet your speaker but speakers are magnet based so they could have used the magnet inside the speaker to the heads come actually for that that would have been some sci-fi awesome crazy alright I want to I want to move on if we can to to Android well because I we were talking about jelly bean before I'm sorry I apologize for forgetting about the map will get in the way to talk about but when we were talking about jelly bean i was thinking about the galaxy s3 because Samsung has officially begun the galaxy s three jellybean rollout hallelujah yeah I know rightly same time and that's my initial response to right it's like oh thank god finally the the OEM is pushing out this update but then I think about it I'm like why do i why do I want it and the reason I'm asking that question is because as I said before I find incredibly I can't believe I'm saying this I can i find the TouchWiz skin on the galaxy s3 on all the galaxy s3's that I have to run so smoothly through that it is completely that I in my experience even as a UI obsessed freak it runs at the same speed and with the same fluidity as does the jelly bean on my Nexus 7 so why am I excited about this I'm not excited about it for the marginal improvements to notifications I'm not excited about it for Google now which I don't really make use of so why why why is this a thing what am I missing guys because it's something one it's something which you don't already have and of course you want it because it's out there this is a psychological thing and second it's yeah it's the increase in speed not necessarily in the TouchWiz but system wise in launching applications better multitasking better memory management and those things which on the quad core processor might not be that visible but at the system-wide level they are an increase in performance I'm I guess I just I just have so i have 0 complaints about the way this device and that i'm using right now operates yeah well there's there's also as you know there there are when i when i was testing the leaked version of of jelly bean on the galaxy s3 with TouchWiz they were there were probably a dozen or two dozen little changes in settings ways widgets look and they just they used the jelly they're using the jelly bean update is an opportunity to fit kind of run some bug fixes and while you might think that the interface is super smooth Michael now I'm sure that I could give you a few things to do to point out ice cream sandwiches weaknesses like in the web browser and um you know for example the web browser maybe it's not that big of a deal but when you scroll down the page rapidly right now you sometimes get some checkerboards or white space and with with jelly bean um in whatever the case in in Chrome or in the stock browser then either either one yeah okay well I mean I guess right right all right we can we can still be excited about this this isn't a big man I just wanted to bring it up yeah but but I think this is more psychological as I touched upon it it's it's out there it's already three or four months old and you demand that you you need it to be not that you need you want it you expect to have it I guess it's just kind of interesting that that and maybe I'm giving too much credit to touch wiz but I think it's kind of interesting that there's been a reverse so we're skins used to be this lamented thing where it's like ah they slow everything down and I think in the case of HTC Sense they can't they kind of still do but you know if I still had my galaxy nexus and I was waiting on jelly bean i would be waiting with bated breath but because Samsung has done such a good job building the the software at on top of ICS for the galaxy s3 I'm just almost completely apathetic yeah they did a good job they really did and it's it's like it's interesting to hear you speak to say that isn't weird says it's loud yeah you feel like you're like lying or something um anyway so that yet so that's happening look out for that one last thing yeah I'll you probably be the last person on this planet to get the official update as usual I always end the last one on the planet to get official update so I'm gonna let you guys know whenever Charlie beam hits my GS free oh it's sad please do and I will let you know when it hits mine of course and if I notice can we is speaking of not that at all LG is building another Optimus view uh-huh can we stop them yeah I think it's too late i think it's been it's it's it's been announced officially for south korea as of i think i think today or yesterday said I'll stop in that manufacturing Preston is why this is fascinating to me I mentioned this in a piece recently it's interesting to me when when companies make sequels to products that were first of all that we're just mediocre it's an even more interesting when they make sequels to products that are like not well received and I don't think the view has been very well received and based on your time with the intuition Brandon I think that didn't change when it came to the US so what so what's the story I mean why are they doing this do you guys think well go on no users I don't think that you're getting it guys the LG is just pushing out the view too because there's a samsung galaxy note 2 out there and they are already one year the you know yeah whenever Samsung came out with the galaxy note in 2011 the MVC there was a follow-up it was the view and the view is still not available and now there's the note 2 and of course the head there has to be the video too and this is just plain stupid or it's me that I'm playing stupid because I don't understand a thing the initial view had a 1.5 gigahertz dual-core processor with one gig of ram then this month or i think it was in August they said that it will be available with a spec bump they will replace the 1.5 gigahertz dual-core Snapdragon processor with a quad-core tegra 3 and still one gig of ram and now the view 2 has again a 1.5 years dual-core processor a step back but it has two gigs of ram so I think I'm stupid I don't get it I don't think you're the one who's stupid know some someone made a mistake it's in that room exactly yeah I don't know I am whatever you know I think I think it's interesting it's kind of the same stories like the PadFone getting its own getting its own sequel which I did and I I don't mean to put these things in the same category i think the PadFone is a more innovative idea i think it's just as doomed but i think it's it's a more interesting idea than the view to this is not the way to do it this is not what l where l g is going to find success in kind of releasing an uninspired miss equal to an uninspired in original original design well then the same the same things gonna happen with this it's going to be not well received I me now the lg's alternative they have to be in the phablet space HTC has to be in the phablet space they will be soon everyone has to be in the phablet space because Samsung has proved that it's it's a big money maker so LG could have done work two things they could have scratched the view concept created a new phablet which would have been admitting defeat and had would have been admitted that the original view was a failure or they could have come up with a view to with hopefully and some some some significant changes that that make it noticeably different than the original view but they just they just didn't do that it's it's almost like it like looks very similar to me it's almost like they cracked open the case and they had an engineer solder in another gig of ram and then all right we're good right yeah but imagine a possible view to with with a super fast netdragon s4 pro processor which is on the optimus G with a super high resolution not 1024 x 768 or whatever the resolution is but a 720p display and that would have been a worthy competitor you know it may be on paper but I think if you put if you've managed to squeeze in a v8 diesel engine into the Optimus Vu body I don't think anybody would still buy it like I think it is I think it is a dead end product that is in a form factor that is unfriendly that nobody likes that nobody will ever buy I think it's a dead product I think they should have killed it that's the key it's a form factor that no one's going to bite and Tony you know you said why don't they put a 720p screen in there that that would be that would be the smart thing to do nobody wants a four by three aspect ratio phone it is terrible for so many reasons eight yeah and they are so fun of it yeah and they keep on pushing it and pushing it right and I get that you want to differentiate and it's like look we're doing something different I respect the hell out of that but it's not it's not the way that LG is gonna catch up to Samsung in any respect so all right or whatever I that makes me to press let's not talk about the view to anymore um can we talk about something I haven't paid any attention to which is these don't i'm sorry i'm going to i want to ask first because you just mentioned it brandon that HTC one x+ that with it got pictured for tmobile listeners if you haven't read the story this is just a like it was a quick leak is the HTC one x+ distinct from HTC's possible phablet offering or is it the same thing i'm confused right now it's different it is just yeah yeah alright so we do we know anything more about that HTC phablet this isn't in the rundown at all it's just it's just wishful thinking i think it nobody has actually confirmed this I heard from someone that there's an HTC event next week I haven't been informed of it so it may or may not be true it would make sense because right around now if HTC is gonna be releasing a fall Android product or two this is this is the time to do it so we might hear about the HTC di X and the dicks and then yeah and though and the 1x plus plus yeah but let's not forget there's also something else in the rumor mill it's the flyer tablet refresh we've been hearing about so it should be I don't think there will be a phablet and I think that if HTC wanted to enter the phablet game they would have done it by now a 4.7 inch form factor for the 1x in the one x+ is okay it's a large smartphone what they want to do maybe is get a 7-inch tablet out there a flyer refresh with super good specs a great build quality great design and and super cheap price it would be interesting to see the to see the flyer succeed in its second incarnation I guess we'll have to wait and see what they would they announce may I make a prediction oh yeah please it's pretty clear by now that Samsung is not going to be releasing a premium tablet this year which is really crazy if you think about it 12 months and the best tablet we have from Samsung is the note 10.1 which which has received very mixed reviews to say the least here's what I think has happened I think that they were preparing a high res quad-core ipad 3 competitor at 9.7 inch 10 10 inch device for 2012 but then they got owned yeah then they got owned but then these thinly then they saw then they said you know why don't we just release this 10.1 note we'll put a lot of marketing prowess behind it because it's truly different than the ipad and will continue to work on the new Samsung high-end tablet and make it and try to preempt what's gonna happen with the eye with the ipad 4 because the ipad poor it's kind of funny it's not that far off from from now it's gonna be announced what I march in April which is yes'm yeah mid six it's six months away so i think that samsung is skipping this generation of ipad to compete with cuz they don't have anything that competes with that if you think about it with a high res display and you know i just wish i saw that the that dinosaur that that super tablet samsung was rumored to somewhere announced in after NBC or somewhere around were your March do you guys remember that 11.6 inch quad-core ohd yeah yeah yeah yeah I wanted to see that badly but maybe yeah maybe brandon you were right and let's not forget the ipad mini rumors so if if Apple is to out an ipad mini then I think Samsung will out a super competitive 7-inch tablet not a la Samsung 7-inch which they have right now the galaxy tab but something better can be honest I go ahead Brennan alright well I think that I mean I was some kind of sitting here being like why am i why am i what am I having to make an effort to pay attention and that's because it's it's it's a boring it's a boring boring boring the product already in my mind because of the OS it runs I love android on a smartphone and I love it in raw form on the Nexus 7 but i don't i certainly don't love it in a tablet size and it's certainly not running TouchWiz as it's currently implemented on say the galaxy note n dot one it's weird isn't it yeah and I'm much more interested in Samsung's offerings like in the windows 8 space and on a tablet or other OEMs in the windows 8 space on a tablet so it's like I think until people are able to get excited about Android on tablets outside of the nexus 7 arena and this is all kind of mood it doesn't matter what Samsung does hmm true what is the worth it let's see your egan yes Oh totally and hopefully Samsung with its kind of new preferred partner status can get some you know some some inside information on the future direction of Android so they can craft TouchWiz to complement it and not to usurp its advantages you know do you think that despite all the crazy rumors of Samsung ditching Android which I think are just dumb will Samsung become to Android with Nokia is for Microsoft for windows phone I think that all depends on or is that Motorola yeah exactly I mean I yeah I think that's what Google's gonna do with more even though we're control right in yeah but outside of the US motorola doesn't count that I'm sorry more of our guys but here in Europe rolla phones are I bet haven't seen one in the wild so it they just don't sell and from what I see in the US Motorola is just another Android Market stand another enjoy the phone if they want to I don't know have something better faster nicer with with Motorola they should both invest much more time and RD and resources because motorola definitely has what it takes and with google support and money they have everything they need but instead we just see the razr HD or the razor i ruin come on and it but you know I think the razr m actually even does serve as a positive you know sign of where Motorola's going because I really the the evolution in software and even hardware to an extent between the atrix HD which was very clearly started when motorola was still its own company and the razr m which probably is kind of a mid you know a hybrid between the two is is not quite night and day but it's really amazing the razr m is a really awesome phone the atrix HD is really not in my opinion so you know it's i think they're going the right direction I think Google's going to do some really impressive stuff with with Motorola so we'll have to wait and see um we did good can we uh there's uh there's some other android stuff but actually I would like to jump into Windows Phone since we talked about it with you guys be okay with that we're running a little short on time as usual sure just looking if we're missing something I'm looking up your turn I don't want to talk about the note HD hey guys barnes noble released some new tablets go buy them if you want them yeah i like you know it's i don't know it is anybody if you guys are excited about it please stop me because i'm not i don't care about the note oh well they just we care about the note it's it's funny almost that we talk about them because we take a step back they're running android but that's not android and they're intended for different types of people you could argue that there for the power user because the kindle fire HD the nook color tablet they've got so many names they turned they turned in they had really good at developer communities you could relatively easily strip off the barnes noble or the amaz on operating system thing and put stock android on it but besides that out of the box they are not intended for people that are listening to this podcast it for in the for the most part yeah and I think that's why I wanted to touch on it briefly when I was thinking about the podcast because you know I know the original new color was a big deal for for Android enthusiasts who wanted to run you know stock Android or SEM build on it because it was a cheap tablet but now in the day of the nexus 7 which I've talked about anything 14 times in this podcast already you have a good a tablet that's good that that runs well and that's cheap and you know that that's kind of just stolen all the thunders out from you know under these guys plus let's not forget google play books we now have books oh right the content story yes exacto right and and even if you don't like google play books you know i've i've been on the amazon kindle ecosystem since the original kindle and i download the app and it's like boom I've got it I've got it one of these things that they're selling but it's on my Nexus 7 exactly exactly it sounded the hardware I prefer um alright so let's let's move on then I I want to talk windows phone real quick this is this was the most surprising headline to me from the past week and I don't think I am I think I'm alone I think I was the only one surprised by this rumor has it correct me if this has been debunked that HTC is pondering excuse me that Nokia is pondering suing HTC over its new windows phone 8 designs I has heard any follow-ups organ banks neither confirmations yeah we'll just three it as a rumor don't think it will ever happen yet i mean i don't know like it's it's interesting to hear this because the of course we talked about this already this is the first thing that left to my mind when HTC announced the new windows phones i was like oh wow those look a lot like Lumias and of course I think ninety percent of that is the fact that they were brightly colored and you know maybe that's not enough to to substantiate a lawsuit and maybe that's what Nokia is sitting there thinking about right now like could we actually win if we went through this with this but I mean yeah that this gets into a larger discussion of what constitutes infringement and like you know it's like all phones to a degree are rectangles so you know how how much does making brightly colored casings infringe on what the fins are doing you know this discussion would make sense if Windows Phone had a sixty percent market share and Microsoft wouldn't care if if Nokia is killing HTC or vice versa but with a still sup to the jig market I don't think Microsoft will ever allow something like this I mean you guys play nice right let's just grow together and take it from there but but just looking at the two phones I don't know about the technologies and the patterns involved but I it surely doesn't come down to design because they're different yeah and I don't know I I think that I i agree i don't think anything's gonna come of this but it was interesting that you know we all SAT there for the first couple days after the HTC announcement saying wow man that's a they really took a page out of Nokia's book yeah but again and this this is something about about nokia and HTC as i'm gonna touch on this and everybody hates me they were just throwing trucks up spit in my direction when when I said that everybody's picking on Apple because of course you're picking on the big one the one you're afraid of the galaxy s3 is picking on the iphone 5 the Lumia 920 even though not officially but it's picking on the iphone 5 and now nokia picking on HTC mins something good for HTC I mean nokia is afraid of HTC it the way I see it yeah no I think you're right and I think it's because finally HTC has kind of awoken from its slumber and they were like yeah we're not going to do another kind of dull dull looking windows finally I'm gonna drop some some science and you know it it took me a second to I actually sat in bed one night after the HTC announcement on my tablet in between bouts of dropping it on my face because I was too tired and I'm like comparing the HTC windows phones with the Nokia Lumia series and I'm kind of having this thing inside me where I'm like what am I gonna what am i what am I going to do I'm having a crisis of you know which one am I going to buy and then I eltham Utley it came down to something that Nokia was not at all afraid to point out in an infographic where they're like good things come to those who wait as Adam lean points out in a piece where they're pointing out their wireless charging they're pointing out there kind of superior design their point again they're comparing it to the iphone 5 well they're comparing to the iphone yet they are you're right they are but I I think they've other sites have kind of done this with and I think we've done this between the Lumia series and the HTC windows phones and it's like yeah they look similar I think I still think Nokia brings more to the table and I ultimately ended up settling on the onion Lumia again personally but it's just it's just interesting what what far-reaching effects just launching a bunch of multicolored phones can do good for your brand I mean that's you know I don't know that's not all that the new HD yes sir but let's not forget the social life is is probably more active than our normal day-to-day lives so when picking between an HTC windows phone 8x / 8 X and the Lumia 920 I think most people will go for the better camera under Lumia 920 because just HTC I don't know and again they will hate me the 1x didn't do good pictures it was the screen that made the pictures look good but comparing the Lumia 920 with the HTC windows phone 8x we don't have official officially we don't have review units yet but I have a hunch the Lumia 920 will own camera wise the the HTC phones right yeah I I think you're I think you're entirely right and you know whatever I'm not gonna talk about how I want the 920 and cyan and so let's just move on because I'm really really sad still it's coming it will be here better be here I hate warm colors and phones and I know why the Lumia 610 was sort of the old you know really low end windows phone with them now it looks like there's there's a 510 in the works and we got details on that it's this was for a story from last week but we didn't touch on it it this looks to be like this in an even lower and that looks like a guava folk to me it does it's got really rounded corner it's actually not too bad looking from the back but it's got a the same 800 megahertz processor and 256 megs of ram is in the 610 so it's not going to run apps like skype well it's not gonna do I mean I just can't believe is anybody else surprised that they're going even lower and here i thought the 610 was where they would bottom out I mean what's no kiddin trying to capture with this that they couldn't get with the 610 emerging markets she's right now that's where their push in the 610 isn't it yeah but there's it will probably be either one carrier specific or another carrier specific or it will be prepaid or it will be a free phone I mean obviously they will they will stick to Windows Phone 7.5 tango or wishful thinking seven point eight but that's as far as it gets yeah yeah it's interesting to think about what that does to the Windows Phone brand overall you know with this I don't know how much penetration these lower end devices are going to get but I wouldn't want if I'm Microsoft I don't want I do want to capture that market don't get me wrong but I don't want to capture it with devices that can't run that can't run all that all the apps that Windows Phone can run and run them well that's true but those so we have that in Android I mean look at the samsung galaxy gio look at the LG optimus one and look at old and blow and android phones they are running or the operating system yeah they are but they're cheap they are running applications not all of them but most of them right so if it's for teenagers or four for people who don't have money to invest and a higher and hardware yeah and you know this come I always get kind of frustrated when I hear that Microsoft is releasing a specific version of Windows Phone just for the lower end market but you have to remember that these guys salivate when they think of you know the the 1 billion people that live in China who want oh yeah who want to be like you know the the rest of the world and have these high-end smartphones but you know don't want to pay you know 200 bucks or whatever it is for it and and you know they they do a little bit of multiplication x 1 comma 0 0 0 0 0 whatever billion is true and so you know this its low-end is huge opportunity for electronic companies and not necessarily for hardware but for the ecosystem itself because those people will buy applications for this from the store yeah and and those people will grow up and get jobs and by the higher end one and download lots of yeah but you know and it doesn't always work there like you have to really follow through that because that's what remember what danger tried to do before Microsoft bottom and danger made the sidekick and the sidekick was or i guess the hip-hop is what it was called went before t-mobile rebranded it and like they established a real cult following with these kind of like teenage users in this kind of alternative lifestyle skateboarder kind of thing and then once the sidekick brand became you know old enough it was like six or seven year yeah but maybe six or seven years old and those kids who bought the sidekick had kind of like grown up so dangerous land phones but but danger was like where we're gonna capture that so we're gonna release like the sidekick HD or whatever they called it and it was actually a really cool device as an android phone right I know was Android that's right but nobody bought it they all weighed like you said they all went to go get android phone so they all want to go get iphone so you can't always rely on that and I feel like every I feel like this is the thing that that um struggling maybe smartphone manufacturers or platform makers say they always they're always like listen there's still 40 something percent of the world's users are not on smartphones and this is what palm said this is what blackberry is making a big deal about saying and this is what they're going to fight with Microsoft who is also saying this like where we want to go in there and capture that I completely agree and I think it's a good tactic but nobody's done it successfully know and those people what's going to stop all those people who are just sitting there saying well I want to go get an iphone instead what I want to go get the new galaxy and it'll be kind of difficult to buy an iPhone in China if you are living and working and learning in China but of course of course once you have a 345 I'm being optimistic market share you do everything in your power to boost that number even if it means that you have to get twelve fourteen fifteen dollar hardware out there one user is one user plus and China has Brandon mentioned is the number one mobile market so not guys trying to boost their market share Microsoft is trying to do that and why not let the dial phones are great phones for emerging markets but between the nokia Asha and the nokia lumia 510 probably people will buy the Lumia because Microsoft is a brand with active on the market and symbian is just symbian hey uh may be spontaneous oh yeah oh yeah okay oh if you ask permission first I just did yeah what's up so uh blackberry jam just happened we saw blackberry 10 a little bit more intimately yes well these through video and blackberry CEO thorsten petroleum torsten Heinz that's right uh he he said that blackberry has a fair shot at being a strong number 3 good you guys agree or disagree no I know even after seeing ya there were some cool features of it has a new interface paradigm where your home screen is not widgets or icons they're like live applications yeah actually and I got excited about that for obvious reasons yeah i like i like some of the new interface paradigms that blackberry that rim is bringing to the new blackberry but i think they're so frankly i think they're so far behind not only do they have to release this product is this family of products and this new platform but they have to maintain developer interest that is just waning so rapidly and they have no moment they have reverse momentum you know they're in a backwards slide right now i don't think they're stagnant anymore i think they're actually actively rolling backwards down the hill and i don't know i have no hope for them in regardless of how innovative their new products are so they don't want to they go they I I really think that a company like like even samsung or HTC needs to buy blackberry and have this have their blackberry 10 platform which is actually kind of cool be like their fall back down to Android and Windows Phone mmm I feel like if they want to fall back to the popular one they've got windows phone already right I mean is it yeah you know I feel like that's what a lot of these companies like Samsung and HTC are doing they're like all right well Android we'd want to put all our eggs in one basket so oh but look h-here's Windows Phone and actually people might like this at some point while Samsung has bottle oh yeah but buzzing yeah I don't apiece anybody off blackberry was eglee a great platform and ecosystems a little but I just don't care about rim anymore and I'm sorry guys that it just really lost momentum everybody's talking Android iOS and Windows Phone and if Microsoft didn't manage to pull it off almost two years after launching windows phone with Windows Phone how could rim do it exactly and actually I think the most imposing a question for me regarding rim is not not any longer who's going to buy them but why would anybody buy them hmm um not with those corporations I'm sorry Michael which I already have it implemented the system I mean my ex jumping on switch to BlackBerry's and no not entire company like why would I itself I yeah no clue yeah probably because of this back end may be sure and and you know I think it's just patents at this point because I mean nobody cares about I don't think anybody really cares about bez the blackberry enterprise server system and and you know I mean we're all moving away from that the whole model is shifted underneath them so I just don't understand where who would snap them up yeah plus BBM already has lots of lots of lots of alternatives yeah most notably I message of course but anyway yeah I also you make a good point Tony it's not that I don't want to piss anybody off I'm we're will we all piss people off daily but it's that I think blackberry deserves a lot of credit for coming up with a more innovative platform than they had it's just it's just much too late and true that's sad and let's not forget it's a two-way street I mean depending on the success or the lack of success for Microsoft and its partners this could be either the winning or the losing card of rim mmhmm yeah cuz currently their market share is around the same maybe a little bit blessed towards microsoft and windows phone but they're not too far away just like safe from Microsoft to iOS or to Android there they're below five percent both it actually didn't they just announced that they grew a little bit the u.s. overtaken by Windows Phone and 2012 blackberry merger I'm sorry I just I read a headline like two days ago where that said the writers actually managed to grow their market share because of developing markets but the distance between them is not that huge I mean it's nothing rim couldn't pull off or it's nothing microsoft cannot distance itself from yeah yeah i don't know what's that that was a good thank you for bringing that up Brennan cuz I we did need to touch on that I would love to use one of these new devices i hope that we get the chance to when they're actually when the review units come out me too yeah so Before we jump into reader mail I just want to we posted Stephen shank posted a story yesterday entitled would you buy a phone without a charger HTC and one other manufacturer think you will 00 2 is the carrier right yeah 02 and HTC think you will so apparently HTC is talking about the possibility of not bundling wall chargers anymore with their smartphones got a safe thirty cents I now to be clear now this I misread this they are still talking about including USB cable so there's at least that matter what no I wouldn't buy a smartphone without a charger like would you would you buy a car without what is this like would you buy a car without her driver's seat no you know I I mean it is ridiculous and i can't imagine like you say it's got a bit like 30 cents their cost savings can't be that much they make they make like a hundred thousand of them at a time their cost per unit is well under a dollar for that little cube thing right like no that's a donated can i roleplay by myself for a minute I've yeah I know that's your own business I just want to play devil's advocate and then I want to contradict myself oh great that sounds like a fun thing Melissa oh it's about Michael Fisher how many chargers do you have in your home uh like wall chargers like what works like this I probably for tablets I have probably 12 or 13 brand the minimum I have an infinite number of Volturi okay so probably this was their main idea you already have lots of chargers why not use one of them and charge your new phone with one of your existing chargers which is something I've learned Brandon does the heat he mixes up chargers and phones and he blocks his phones or tablets inside the nearest the charger and now I'm gonna contradict myself this is not cool this is not even how should I say this every battery needs to be charged with a certain amount of current and if you take the opportunity to read the labels on your chargers I have four in front of me one charges with point2 ampars one charges with point four emperors one charges with one ampere and one charged with point A tempers it's not about the speed of charging it's about the amount of current which charges that particular battery yeah and that battery cannot be charged with any amount of current because batteries vary from 1300 milliamp hours to 25 50 so I just contradicted whatever I said before that and I just played both sides well it's a good point and you know I think it doesn't matter for us who changed devices so frequently because of our jobs but for somebody who's locked into a smartphone for two years for somebody who doesn't want to buy a tablet but once every three years you know I think it's very important that they care for their batteries properly and I don't think anybody does and if you have companies being like no you got plenty of wall chargers at home we're not gonna give you one special it's like no don't be jerk please do yeah please give us and not to mention that the new trend is to have non removable batteries which is another factor can't be serviced yeah but for a several hundred dollar service fee from the company when you have to send it back to them ya know it's it's absurd don't I think we're all in agreement this is dumb yeah we have normally at this point was since we're a little over time I would skip read our mail but we actually have to really interesting pieces that bring up some interesting questions so if you guys don't mind I would like to read just an excerpt from yes a piece of mail from Chris Webber from Gettysburg Pennsylvania here in the States love this the whole whole email brings up some interesting points but his kind of primary question is he's moving from an iphone 4 to a Lumia 920 he's kind of changing his ecosystem is eager to see how it plays out but he takes issue with our discussion on I think it was last podcast where we talked about colors and we talked about this kind of thing where it's like yeah you can't if you're a corporate user if you're like a business a business man who goes to board meetings and things and you pull out your your multicolored smartphone whether that's a windows phone 8 from HTC or a nokia lumia it's like banana yellow or it's you know bright blue what's the matter with work phones that are bright and colorful this jump into color will quickly become so commonplace he says as to become unremarkable it so I think Microsoft is doing all the right things so it you know that's a question that I love to to answer and because I don't know how to answer it because I of course don't exist in the corporate world in any of my occupations so I of course will carry a phone of any sort of color I want without worrying about how people perceive me but what is the deal I mean what is that is this something uniquely American or is this something Tony that you see as well well I've been working in the corporate for about six or seven years before pocket now so I can say this the impact in a boardroom meeting to a red pink yellow whatever else color phone you can think of is the same as if imagine this everybody at the board meeting has black suits and then somebody comes in with a white or blue or another colored suit or even a pink one why not wear this red Ferrari sure do you care about how he's dressed I mean not over or under dressing but the style or do you care about that information he's transmitting the ideas is getting forward and if it takes out he's texas bowl HTC then I just don't care because I will probably have my huge humpbacked Lumia or a PureView 808 remain so i think it's it's probably people care too much about what other people think about them and it's it's this is i don't wanna I don't want to piss anybody off but it's it I think it's it comes down to your level of intelligence you cannot judge a book by it's cover mmm i see i see it a little bit differently uh i think that as phones become more colorful it will be acceptable to have a multicolored phone in front of you at a board meeting for example look back to 2007 and yeah board meeting everyone literally would have a blackberry and one guy might have gotten the new I and did the guy next to him says that thing looks like a toy how do you get anything done with it and you know today taking out an iphone at a board meeting it's like oh you've got the same phone i have so i think that as it be as more phones become available that are multicolored because right now most phones are black and white most of them are just black you know it's a it's not common to their there are very little availability of multicolored phones yeah Chris if you want to buy a yellow phone and you go to a board meeting buy it just don't care about whatever people say it's your style it's your personality it's you and if you want a green phone or yellow phone just go for it so I agree I mean I see it that way certainly I make those decisions in my own life but I see it from I can see it from both sides I think that if I were going to play devil's advocate i would say yeah you know in a corporate environment or in any high-stakes environment where everyone is kind of got their serious face on and this is big news and there are millions of dollars at stake and whatever you know people are gonna are going to take any opportunity they can if they're very cautious types to say well that that man doesn't quite fit in or that woman doesn't quite fit in and it is quite eccentric and I I don't want to risk my business relationship with such a person you know and I that kind of I so I understand it at the same time I hate it I hate that kind of ultra-cautious super super sort of concern i thinking so yeah I you know whatever I think that Brandon you're right as we move into the future as more multi-code phones become available this kind of stigma will will pass but Michael do you care if you are the board meeting or you are at the any other negotiation let's say one CEO is coming with his silver jag the other one is coming with his black rolls-royce or Bentley and the third one appears in his yellow Ferrari you care about that yeah I do however I care because I want to instantly I instantly identify with the guy in the yellow Ferrari and want to learn about how he has the stones to be different and you know I I like people who are brave enough to be different so yeah yeah so I react in the opposite way of yeah anyway it's it's a fascinating discussion and Chris thank you for for writing in bringing it up we and good luck with your 920 by the way right and let us know how the iOS to Windows Phone transition goes for you and finally I want to wrap it up with a question from a gentleman whose name i will mispronounce I apologize but it is kalid my sir that's as close as I can get because I'm inept but kalid also has a nice at a very long email for us and love to read the whole thing but we don't have the time but it's he says in an interview I'm done by wired.com after the nexus 7 announced and wired asked Google when are we going to see the nexus 10 and they got the reply this is where we're starting we take it one step at a time this is where we're starting and we'll see what partners do in the 10-inch form factor so kalid asks do you consider that as a confirmation of the long waited Nexus 10 by the end of the year no and why Tony so I definitely agree there will be a diversification diversification of the Nexus brand we're hearing rumors of several Nexus devices even though I'm I don't think they're it will become true I think there will still be one preferred Nexus partner but as far as the tablets are concerned yes Google wants to move into the 10-inch form factor too because that's where that's the main tablet market and do you think said it before the end of the year no no I think that they will do it with the next iteration of Android but I do think that by the end of the year we might see the next Nexus phone mmm yeah I agree yeah I'd i see i think i don't think i will see the nexus 10 before the end of the year i do think we will see this kind of increased watering down of the nexus brand / different manufacturers I don't like it but I think we will see motorola and a sous and samsung you know make continue to make their own versions of nexus devices and i think it's going to get to the point where it's it's a little bit like samsung's galaxy brand where it's which quite quite watered down and that's a shame but i think you definitely a nexus 10 is in the cards but no i would not say by the end of the year certainly I would like to see a Seuss's response that a nexus 7 I mean asus makes the Nexus 7 I want to see a self branded asuste tablet and the same for factor maybe with the camera at its back maybe would have better display and see how well that would play long that's a good I would like I would be curious to see it from a professional standpoint i don't think i would buy it but i agree it's I don't know it's interesting i think i'm so in love with the 7-inch space that the 10 inch android tablet news doesn't really excite me I want my ipad mini uh well I think you'll get your wish pretty soon well if the league's are to be believed who knows all right guys all right guys before we wrap it up there Brando do you have anything anything further no that's all I got today yeah this was a this was a good long one and Tony no I'm good we're at the one point thirty mark so this is seen more than enough for guys to get bored I completely hopefully not although we have had some wonderful comments from from all all sides of the equation saying how this is the best best hour and a half of my of my day or something like that so you guys yes thank you really isn't that nice make sure to leave that comment and itunes and and in the zoo yes please please 17 views we so need itunes reviews guys I've it's getting to the point where we were really kind of um very enthused about getting those but that that wraps it up for us for this week the pocket not weekly good to have you back Tony it's good to be back thank you very much and feel free to throw a tweet our way everybody is it most of us are active on the twittersphere as usual Brandon minimum at brandon minimum Tony over there at anton de nacho a nton dnag why thank you absolutely and you can find me i'm michael fisher i'm at at captain two phones captain the number two phones follow our official twitter account at at pocket now tweets follow us on facebook at facebook.com slash pocket now google+ just search for us or at g + t 0 slash pocket now as we mentioned leave us a review on iTunes are zune if you like the podcast if you have a topic question or suggestion for the podcast we're going to keep reading your mail on the air whenever we have the time please email us podcast at pocketnow.com everyone thanks for listening well Night Live
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