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Pocketnow Weekly Episode 015: iPad Mini, Surface, Galaxy Note II, & Nexus 10

2012-10-26
from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 01 five of the pocket down weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss what's hot and what's cool in the world of mobile technology smart phones tablets phablets and everything in between I'm your host Michael Fisher senior editor at pocket now Brandon minimun is busy with special pocket now operations today so I'm joined by our managing editor anton d Naja welcome back to you sir good to be back good morning everybody good to have you back and buy our multimedia manager today multimedia manager always but joined today by Jaime Rivera welcome back to you friend yeah good morning everyone good to hear you great to have you back as well this is um this has been an absolutely ridiculous period in in in in news and technology coverage Tony and I were talking before they pod cast started and I was just remarking about how in a week so much could happen and Tony's like yeah welcome to welcome to q3 this is my first third quarter as a as a tech media person so just getting bludgeoned by all this news is you really have to experience Black Friday and Cyber Monday first half I'm see you are correct but now I'm I wouldn't even think about that but now I'm full of fear thank you yeah and did just to give just to give our listeners an idea I actually logged between see I think it was like 50 or 60 hours between Sunday and Tuesday afternoon work you know just yeah that that much that's how much work we've had and this in this past week with all these launches and stuff man it's just crazy and the end the reviews are not you know the phone's not all the phones that are that we're getting this holiday season are in for review yet so it's crazy it's not to mention about your Q which is going to become even bigger soon ah don't mind I want to throw this in at the top here I actually um I didn't write this down when I'm glad I remembered listeners if you are not aware you should be that every day still right I mean is it is still daily oh yeah what'd you get all day the rocket now daily comes out as a breakdown of the of news and happenings told from the perspective of Jaime Rivera and if you're screaming if you're screaming at your screen right now because we don't have video on this podcast first of all go back and listen to the first episode and you will explain why but you should definitely watch the pocket now daily because there is video in a time a and he's great on video and I I love watching the daily Tony and I watched the daily like well every day in Berlin together that was a good time mm-hmm max I'm at least you have two guys who at least watch your videos right ok i know i know that i really appreciate that you've got no idea what it's like to stand in front of the camera every day thank you very much um let's say it's because there is so much news will go to two hours if we don't get started soon but Before we jump into the news Tony I understand you have coffee poisoning yes I have and this is because I'm such an idiot a moron I've been preparing for for my ipad mini pre-order which of course should have happened on october 26 but i am in Romania and I don't have an apple store so the closest apple store me is Apple maggiano's a couple Hungary I'm 10 hours before Cupertino time and hungary's nine hours before Cupertino time so I was like happy to pre-order for the first time in history before Brandon does so I'm staying up until 1am which is midnight and Hungary and nothing happens and then up until two and three and four were you refreshing the page and nothing says yeah like every 10 seconds and at five o'clock in the morning I decided that there's no use for me to go to sleep anymore and then hi my wakes up and I'm like come on what's going on and he was like of course pre-orders start October 27 26 but it's Apple cupertino time not local time and I was like okay so sorry yeah if I have a warning voice I've been having that all day long it's close to evening here so yeah and that's coffee poisoning reason these are the perils of being on a planet that spins right yeah sorry Tony I've been there man I woke up once in an absolute panic in high school because I I was told I could not be late one more time in high school otherwise they wouldn't let me graduate and i woke up around eight one morning and I was supposed to be at school 20 minutes beforehand and it's about a 20 minute drive so getting my car flying down the road and I just realized that something's really wrong I'm like I'm like in my pajama pants and I'm like whatever I'm just gonna get to school it doesn't matter but I'm like whatever no it doesn't matter i'm gonna get to school and I'm gonna make up some story and hopefully they'll let me graduate and then I realized that there's nobody on the roads and only why are there nobody on the roads it's a busy oh it's totally Saturday morning I don't have school bank so I completely understand man I've been there you know I'm actually happy that it's only happened to you once gonna say it happened to me twice already what the pre-order thing or being late to high schools seriously seriously in the college it happened to me twice are you serious yeah you showed up a class and it was a weekend yeah that's awesome the thing is there were certain classes that worked on weekend certain classes that worked on weekdays that that was just the way lunch and work very bored and I I just totally screwed up the schedule from one semester to the other don't ask me how there was there was a lot of beer involved with that well then that's what that's what college is for right we're gonna talk about college later in the podcast 2 i'm looking forward to that Tony you had before we jump into the special announcements Brandon typically has a has a little thing to say at the top of the podcast but today Tony does I don't take long just five minutes of my time see how it sounds like your blood is boiling over there and I don't know what this is about there's gonna be a genuine surprise should I get the setting button ready should get the beep the beep better are you gonna agree I'm gonna try to beat the words out myself okay by the Bogatyr you forgot yeah I got it I got it go ahead good okay so it won't take long but I I definitely feel obligated to do this with the amount of exposure and attention I'm recently getting I have to show some love back to all those who whose purpose in life I'm yet to become aware of I blame them for what the Internet's running out of ip's not so slowly anymore because I believe that's a old air purpose in life is limited to to take up an IP regardless so here it goes the other day I think or the day before that I was writing a post something to give you an example like the samsung galaxy ace is awesome and within 10 minutes of hitting the publish button I get a comment yeah but the iphone 5 sucks android greater than iOS it's nothing reason panting to myself that okay another IP has been wasted of course there are people who haven't seen the internet in their lives and this moron right here is wasting precious bandwidth so I get back in the comments and I'm like hey Baba what the beep has the iphone 5 iOS or Apple for that matter got to do with this in my hand wouldn't ya within a couple of minutes there's a reply which turns into an endless thread of comments trying to convince me that I am an apple fanboy and I sheep brainwashed or paid by Apple probably in this exact order yeah but I'm surprised that the comment did not include him the Lumia 920 will be hot yeah oh my god the Lumia 920 the Lumia 920 the Lumia night and like yeah I want the damn phone to could somebody please beg no key to give me the phone that's what I want right now come on just may tell no division to Tony's right though that the core of the thing is that no matter what the piece you write is you get a like there's always gonna be some commenter and usually I think I agree I Tony are you saying this is happening more often now that did they will comment on a device that wasn't even mentioned in the piece usually an Apple device just so they can kind of crap all over it is that right yeah and you know I continue on and I'm gonna say you see the problem with you you idiot is that your you're nobody because even though you're trying to be somebody so hard you are not visible me and the rest of the guys on the team we are visible I mean you know our names in our faces our voices our email addresses our Twitter's everything don't get a cuz yeah that's because we say something and we do it in a public manner you on the other hand stupid idiot are hiding behind the username some of the times come and sing as a guest and with a stupid avatar instead of your picture so you say you don't care about the iphone iOS or Apple and yet you find the time to bash it and not even going to talk about pieces which criticized the unicorn platform that's how I'm calling it right now for one of its OEMs or about those pieces which are laudatory to any other platform or OEM whose device they probably don't have the key takeaway here is that the amount of activism is unbelievable I mean it's things from two miles away it's odious it is that kind of militancy and propaganda that not only speaks of you idiot and you're only idiot brain cell but it also gives you the perfect dictionary great definition of what the term fanboys and this is one category the other category is is is the dumb and ignorant you simply say that you're right but the insert android phone name here is better than the iphone okay i breathe again hop in the comments and say okay he obviously have an argument for that let me know why and he's like thank you for your feedback he's like because it's an iphone it's simple and the insert android phone aim here is better android is better than iOS and I reply again hoping he has an argument finally and ask him why is and read better than iOS and he's like because it is iOS sucks yeah okay that's the that's what the end game 2 so many of these arguments is it's because you're right what did you say you called it odious it is that it is there's a horribly irritating and frustrating and destructive environment that is that is fostered by these kind of attitudes that I've been seeing of course I apparently it was my turn to like write the unpopular pieces this week because it's like every other headline I think I hi Mabel 300 know you're getting just be just right or I'll disagree with you but I'm gonna make I'm gonna make a little point here and I am just gonna leave this on the table and the listeners can make their minds for whatever they about this i have used windows microsoft products forever if anybody if anybody if anybody can tell me what the command a trip plus h plus r and a file extension means then yes you do know what deal was 4.2 me if you can't answer that then there's no reason for you to hear this but the thing is you know I've I have more pocket pcs in my drawer that I have of any of the newer devices that have been launched in last five years that's the type of Microsoft fanboy that I used to be and I accept that that was me I would hate palm devices back in the day and you know if any of you remember when when Microsoft launch Windows Phone 7 you know all of us were really excited windows phone 7 and everything but none of us have ever really used that back then you know that was that was 22 years ago right and you know I just completely started noticing this pattern in the comments that totally begun irritating us and it was that we would we begin having these really stupid batch of comments that were like it's gonna be great and it was the same thread the same line it's gonna be awesome it's gonna be great it's gonna be awesome and you would see you know like 40 or 50 comments of windows phone seven that were like it's gonna be great like man this sounds like a marketing firm that's being paid to comment in our systems and to and to stir the attention to Windows Phone 7 and then you would go to an on windows phone 7 you know post and they would just pass you and this has been happening with the Lumia 920 for the past month my name is Lumia 900 just going crazy please launch the phone I'm tired of these common especially I just launched the phone it's easy because because it's clear that there is some sort of manipulations both yeah I saw one of those I'm on my piece there was a bit there was a paragraph long thing with nope no line breaks in it so I left a smartass remark and I you know I was like please use the enter key and you know everybody hated that because they don't like it when I'm Petty in the comments and whatever okay then you look fine I get it but I was like this is a giant block of text the size of a continent I'm not gonna read it and then I was like who is this user and I look at her other posts and they're all the same exact thing they're not you know verbatim but they're all giant blocks of text defending anything and everything windows phone but they don't seem to be more in depth in that and then the to like her to first posts ever were like spammy posts on like sex sites and I'm like who are these people who are commenting exactly exactly and so this is this is my point yesterday I published my thoughts on the Microsoft Surface RT and so I get this comment from this guy who you know he's like you know you haven't even touched the surface RT and you're already commenting on it I'm like you have a valid point but the problem is you know Joe leave I didn't touch them at the ipad mini and he made his post on what an android guy thinks of the ipad mini and so has Adam Lane not touched the ipad mini and he made his comment and I'm like this is actually a serious we're doing a series where I do my opinion on something that's opposing to what it's my daily driver and so the guy just be guns just begins bashing me and bashing me and I'm like wait a second and I just began hitting his profile and it turns out that this guy is a microsoft MVP and I'm like oh no the bottom of your shoes danis yeah listeners for the record we have a microsoft MVP or a past MVP on this on this podcast X to Y on the bug guess yeah but we have two on the team okay so Anton could you please explain how the MVPs retain their title please well back in the day when I was an MVP because I didn't get the award for this year Microsoft and the MVP team is taking a close look at your activities throughout the community supporting the product supporting users who have problems and usually being a militant for the platform itself oh so it means that you have a certain interest in providing your positive feedback towards a product that nobody's ever used right yep okay okay so that's my point this sort of manipulation that sort of practice is something that I consider an ethical because if a product was as good as these people say it is what isn't it you know aren't customer supposed to do that because you know I do the same thing on out daily I ask everybody on my my question of the day yesterday I asked everybody what are you the windows RT tablet the surface RT or the windows 8 pro everybody I'm like ninety-nine percent of the commenters on YouTube and on that posted pocketnow responded the windows 8 pro and that was it's just demo that that was my point in the editorial the point is the windows RT tablet is sadly a half-baked tablet I would rather wait for the pro version that to go for the RT version that has no apps that was my point in the whole editorial it's like if I if I'm gonna visit an iPad user is here is frustrated because he doesn't really have a computer he's got an iPad it's something different and so the RT tries to be a computer but it's not and it tries to be an iPad but it's not and so my point is it's really in the middle and that middle ground has never worked right it it has historically never worked but from what from it from a commenting like perspective from it from from this kind of like marketing you know marketing driving commenters you know there are departments I mean you know you outside the MVP program which we just reference but in every company and every company's marketing division I mean these these people are out there you know I mean these are there are actually like we call people paid shills when they're you know advocating for a brand sort of baselessly but there are actual like legitimate paid people who are exist to be in the comments section I'm not saying that that's everybody who who who comments on our site certainly we have a wide range obviously not yeah like from a from a from perspective of moving forward to try and kind of like getting squeezed some positivity out of this very negative situation because it is destroying the dialogue and it's it's having a fight in the comment section if I see a piece of mine that has 82 comments in you know it's 20 minutes unlike it's almost never a positive thing I'm always like oh ok here we go and I click in and sure enough you know the Apple versus Android is at it again of the windows guys are at the end right guys it's like stop it just stop it you know yeah that's not cool but here's my mic request to listeners because the tent what would I've tend to tend to defines that the listeners to the podcaster are very thoughtful people and that's based on listener mail and comments on the post and stuff like that and it's not just because I'm sucking up to your listeners but no I really respect your your input so if you if you feel the urge to comment on a story please do because I feel like we get a lot of awesome comments at the really thoughtful and that contribute to the discussion but they don't get upvoted necessarily enough because the fanboys are too busy uploading each other in their fights and that their comments just get lost at the bottom of the discus thread really please comment and it could continue sharing your thoughtfulness because we're reading them we don't have time to reply to every comment or sometimes any comment depending on how busy the news day is so please keep driving the discussion forward and if you see these kind of massive wars we try and deal with it on the mod side and stuff but please do your part to to download idiots ok can I go full circle and animate positive note so of course we talked about the fanboys we talked about the idiots and the morons and of course there are the intelligent platform fans which unfortunately we see less and less as time goes by which are civilized and have their arguments and with whom I believe that for me and I think for you too it is a pleasure to discuss and even share contrary arguments so I think that this should go out those aficionados if I if I may who use different arguments than calling you names or just throwing words out there that a platform and its infancy with zero users 0 market share will kill an established platform which happens to be a market-leading one just because well because they say so or they feel so so that's that's pretty much it please don't die out those intelligent ones for all the idiots out there I have a wish I wish that the upgrade to your current phone will be the best phone you'll ever own exactly and I just like to I just like to end it as well with this um none of us get paid by any companies and you know for the record because I always get this comedy you guys are sponsored by apple and I'm like okay wait a second Apple products are actually the only devices that we have to pay for to review or at least among the very few exactly we rarely pay we have to pay for some of you units to get them on time and that's just because we want you know we want our readers to get the first point but you know it was just the thing is none of us get paid to do this oh yeah and it like done an apple event and we have no yeah if we're apple fanboys then we're doing something wrong like if we're sponsored by apple we have to talk to apple because something's going very wrong we should get we should get paid we're we're families but the point being is our only purpose is this we get to try everything we get to try absolutely everything that comes to the market and there are some really great products out there and there are some really bad products out there there are there it just is and you know I wish that our readers and our listeners would remember that we are trying to be as objective as we can we're not trying to bash any company just because you want to bash it we are saying what we think because companies can do better companies can do better and we've seen some really great products come to the market i'll give you an example the galaxy s3 I just unboxed it yesterday for the first time and I'm I'm extremely amazing it's a great congratulations man it's a great phone and then you know I've had cases were for example I had the iphone for the thing had antenna gate and I hated that thing I'm serious you know it's it's it is the way it is I have an ipad 3 which i just sold because it's extremely heavy and i'm going for another one and that's just the point listeners we are not out here to put our personal opinions just because we want to it's because we actually use the products that we want you to make an educated decision before you buy something because you know in our cases we get products all the time but in your cases sometimes you have to sign a two-year contract and hold that phone for two years yeah so we want to make sure that you're doing the right thing when you buy keeps that is entirely that's that's that's one of the primary reasons we're here and I wanted it to say that the being civilized in the comments does not mean agreeing with us this is be my final point on the thing is we got to move on the you can disagree all you like it the part of the most interesting part of reading articles after they're published is seeing commenters come in and say actually I have a different view and like here it is and then you know civilized debate on that point because exacts I'm wrong like once or twice a week on at least one one point and you know one of my articles where I get it I gave something wrong and somebody corrects me even if it's just a typo Mike ha thank you yeah but that's the point of an editorial I mean editorials are opinions on these pieces are something else right but ended up but you know what and in the point a minute part of the point of an editorial is to incite discussion so if you want to disagree that's that's awesome then just do it in a civilized way I've had some really civilized disagreements on someone chose this week and it's been that's that's a pleasure it's just when you come in you're not contributing anything you're just dragging everything through the mud anyway we've we've been through this over you over and let's move on we've had a great discussion about this this was a good thing to bring up thank you Tony my pleasure before we jump into the news I've got two things first of all while we're in this the kind of pre-show bit I would like to to thank everyone once again for forgiving us a whole bunch of itunes feedback and just really briefly I as everyone knows I'm the other part of my existence has taken up acting and i was i was recently something happened to me for the first time i was in a show a play that was cancelled and that's a first for me and it's it's really sucky it's really a horrible feeling and the reason we were cancelled is because we didn't have enough audience and i bring this up because the podcast is doing very well we're growing at a wonderful rate and we're getting more and more listeners who are as i mentioned before intelligent and cool and who sent us awesome listener mail but in we're certainly going to continue the podcast there's no danger of the podcast being cancelled i'm not saying that but we do need audience and we need we need more audience we want more people to hear what we're saying we are not going to work continually revising our format and deciding new things to do and things like that but you know it please if you if you enjoy the show please do do tell some friends spread the word please do I was gonna wait till en de to say that but you know I got the sneaking suspicion that people might tune out once they hear the outro come on but I'm I don't know just for a second I thought that you were going to tell us a story when he went on stage for one of your shows and like somebody from the third row was yelling like yo dude it's all good man from pocket Bella hey please don't do that please because you will probably break me if you do that now yeah I'm waiting for that to happen no so anyway that's just just a quick quick heads up and also on a somewhat on a completely different note if you are listening to this podcast on the day it goes up which is which is friday the twenty-sixth you have until the end of today you still have a chance to win our last nexus 7 that we're giving away with amzer it is the third week of the giveaway we've given away to already to some very happy listeners I'm actually about to ship out the second one today so please enter all the details are at the linked post if you check out the podcast post you can have a look it is an awesome giveaway we have more giveaways coming up very soon which we will announce shortly so stay tuned for that so I just worried let's go Michael want to rush i went to hungary 12 hungry in 12 Russia yes sir you know anyways guys it's gone i know is it hey hey get the American were the Americans are with that aside let's um we're going to talk a little bit more about android tablet android devices later but i think the considering we have high me on the show and considering this is probably fanboy alert the biggest news of the block i want to talk about the ipad mini apple has announced the ipad mini pre-orders have have opened for it as we talked about at the top of the show poor Tony thank you let's talk about let's talk about the ipad man we've all written about it we at an insane amount of coverage dedicated to it because it is such a significant product why is it such a significant product hi would you doubtless have an opinion on this oh yeah but my opinion on the mini is actually I think you guys read my editorial about what would Steve Jobs think about the ipad mini yes and the reason why is because I you know I think it's a great product because you know it's extremely portable and everything and it gives you all the app echo system and everything it doesn't chop you down on the things you can do with it I just I you know the ipad mini's got some good specs but I think it could have been greater you know and and and I think that that I the great thing about this product is the design you know if anybody if any of you have held the iphone 5 it's just it's a different phone I mean the way it's designed and built it's just a different phone it's a very beautifully built like Tony tweeted about that recently didn't you yeah it's a bad just got my man yeah and and no longer waiting for that I'm serious the phone does look like a piece of jewelry it does it just does it's a very well-made phone and yes by the way I've been using mine without a case for three weeks and I haven't scratched it for the record but you know the ipad mini brings that iphone 5 designed to the ipad um the only problem with this product is that it doesn't have a Retina display and that's why you know in my datoria I'm like I'm like Apple you've missed the point i mean if you're building a smaller ipad it's because you want to build a dedicated e-reader and as it turns out if it doesn't have retina display then you've got two tablets in the market already to do which are the Nexus 7 and the kindle fire 7 HD so I'm like how is it that i can pay two hundred dollars for two tablets that can give me the reading the reading experience that I want and then i have the ipad mini which i have to pay 120 bucks more and i'm not gonna get that same experience you know so it's those two things you know the iPad Mini is a great design product if you're if you're coming from a first-generation ipad or an ipad to the ipad mini is a greater faith and the you know since the ipad is not really a computer it's you know it's actually just a tablet to consume products you know I've come to the point where I always have to be carrying my macbook air everywhere I go so for me it's like to carry a macbook Karen an iPad it's just a hassle yeah I'm see iPad Chevy the iPads a heavy product so for me to get the nexus 7 was just an eye-opener i was i was completely against 7-inch tablets until i got the next 7 you tan so I feel that Apple missed the mark with the price tag because it should have been an impulsive buy I should have seen two hundred bucks and I would have been like torrid bunch that's what I pay for dinner with a couple of friends or beer this guy roller about 200 bucks I'll pay for it but but 329 was like oh God and I always take the 32 gig models oh my god God you know that's not Apple though you know they weren't gonna do that there weren't then we're gonna come out the gate with something that was priced on the mark because there at all they can charge that pre true you know true but I won't like okay if you don't give me the retina display to give me the price and now that's what I was exported to have the two right you know it didn't happen and you know Apple Apple is the Apple is the new blackberrys what is what I call you remember those days when blackberry would come up with a new version of the pearl but this one had GPS and no i phone right yeah end them and then they brought a second model which had Wi-Fi no GPS and then they brought a third bottle that they had all two things and they're just just giving people just bites you know slowly and that's what Apple is doing lately they bring the iphone 5 with knows what strange effects that are not revolutionary and then the next model will bring everything and that's just the way they do it which I actually am NOT proud of I don't like that but you know the iPad Mini is what it is um to be honest readers and listeners I got a knife at me I did pre-order and the reason why good reason why yeah the reason why is because I was able to sell my ipad 3 because I was frustrated with the thing you know it it took seven hours to charge it was extremely heavy and you know I think that I'm able to live with the compromise of having a non retina display for a year and just you know seeing if not then I'll just sell it yes I did pre-order I feel like that's gonna make you happier than anything else I mean on account of like you'd you're talking about the nexus 7 opening your eyes to the form factor and that's what it did for me i love the nexus 7 primarily because it made me fall in love with a 7-inch form factor and you being you know a giant iOS fan i feel like this is going to be the perfect perfect product for you for a little bit in spite of that I feel I feel like that display would drive Brandon up a wall because you can see the pixels on it but you know not necessarily and I have a couple of a couple of thoughts on this issue yeah probably the the biggest problem which was brought up in comments related to the ipad mini was the small resolution and the small ppi value now the iPad Mini has a smaller resolution than being at the Nexus 7 but not necessarily are you still guys with me because I okay so not necessarily let me tell you this much 1024 x 768 is the resolution of the ipad mini it is smaller than the resolution of the nexus 7 because the Nexus 7 has a wide screen form factor so that means more pixels in height if the ipad mini would have had a 16 x 10 screen resolution just like the Nexus 7 it would have had around 1300 pixels in height but no apples going with four by three and in a four by three aspect ratio 1024 is as high as you can go without going with a new resolution this is consideration number one consideration number two is 1024 x 768 on a 10 inch tablet which was the ipad 2 it wasn't really such a problem with it and see necessarily pixels this same resolution is on a form factor which is two inches smaller so the pixels will be even smaller and you won't be able to see and consideration number three and the last one I agree that the Nexus 7 has a higher resolution and a higher PPI rating but most of the guys who commented were probably also pre ordering a surface RT now the surface RT has a resolution of 1366 x 768 on a ten-by-ten 10.6 inch screen mass appear the PPI value is 1 47.8 the iPad Mini has a ppi value 1 68.4 so who are you kidding your surface pre-order guys the surface RT has lower PP is still you're bashing the ipad so this is what I was talking about get your facts straight and if you made a mistake or if you just are unhappy with the product you got ok admit it I wasn't happy about the camera on the One X even though I I bought that phone so now see Billy's it takes balls to admit it that's it speaking of the camera that this is interesting about thank you for bringing that up the the ib I've had many ships with a rear facing camera Indy and it's technically it's branded as an isight camera right so it might wait no 5 mega particular yeah it does is it I said yeah so yeah I mean that's that's awesome the nexus 7 does not have a camera and I frankly I haven't missed it much but as we've talked to have kind of gone round and round on this discussion of this kind of burned-out topic of like should you take photos with the tablet and yeah you look like an idiot but sometimes it's a good idea and it is exactly sometimes you like an r you have and you look like like we're in a world where we're going to talk about the galaxy note 2 later but we're in a world where phablets are becoming more mainstream and so you're kind of already walking around with a little mini tablet that you sometimes take pictures with so I feel like I feel like this the ipad mini might be one of the one of the first legit tablets to come out that that won't make you look like a total idiot taking a picture with it and that's exciting to me because even though it's only 5 megapixels whatever we know Apple does a great job on their camera objects yeah and I yeah that that's that's cool I mean witchy what's your your thought there go ahead i mean i think the consensus is that the next what makes the ipad mini stand out and i just saw that by you know each of the publications that had a hands on you know they were like man this thing is thin or this thing is like you know it has a it's like the perfect idea you have a big screen on a small device you know how that you know how Dell made that with a 13-inch laptop recently they they fit a 14-inch screen on a 13-inch set chassis what yeah they did a science fiction sty I know I know they figured it out it's really cool and so that's what they did with the ipad mini it's been a really big screen on a small chassis and apparent according to them it just feels really unreal but if that's a term and the bezel is so is so thin along the sides that there is some there's some software at work I understand yeah and the iOS 6 version for the ipad mini 2 to ignore kind of frivolous inputs from your thumbs when you're holding the thing along the sides which we've written about way like i wrote a piece on on this like edgeless displays or whatever and that was one of the things i was like we have software that's smart enough to do that we have palm rejection if you're writing with a stylus so why can't be edge rejection and that it looks like that's what they're doing they figured it out and regarding the camera you know yeah this is the same lens as the iphone 4 but it has the optics of the 4s for some reason you know I used the four in the forest I actually like the photos on the four more than on the 4s I don't know why just I think there was just something different there if you've ever taken a photo with the five-man that bet is like really really awesome obviously I've never owned the PureView Tony don't comment on that circling badges for one second for Alex 27 but but yeah you know I'm really excited to see how you know how it takes photos because you know yes it doesn't feel uncomfortable on a 7-inch tablet what are we gonna stand on the seventh honey yeah Michael and me have both agreed and concluded in in the entirety of the discussion while we were in Berlin that the Nexus 7 is not the device for me yeah and well it doesn't do what I want to do on a daily basis I mean it does but not the way I want to do things I mean I had like five completely empty homes Queen that's exactly that's you have to understand like listeners I gave to him I tell nice looking at one of our Nexus 7 and he's like I'm like I don't know how would this discussion came about but Tony's like let me let me set this up the way I would set it up I'm like okay whatever I go back to doing what I'm doing I come back like like five minutes have passed and tony has eliminated everything from every home screen and like it's just this blank home screen with a dock along the bottom line and he's like yeah this is this is this is what it would be if it's worse this burns yeah so so I got back from Berlin with the with the limited edition white Nexus 7 which which i got from Brandon and you know what the first application was that I installed it was the camera enabler Oh even though I don't take pictures with my camera with my tablet but I need to have that there maybe it's because I'm visually attracted to the icon I know it has to be there I know but VI VI Connor yourself Matt yeah that is I actually to you know you put your finger where the shutter button is you turn your camera away from you and your yeah taking a picture is just completely lame but I want to have a camera on a 7-inch tablet if it is possible if it's not too much to ask absolutely no it's it's a great idea I think for that form factor it's tough to beat I mean it's it's really a good match for first 7 inch tablet and I I think that um I think you can still make the case that on a 10 inch tablet it's it's still weird you know but on a 7-inch I agree it's it's it's it's fine so it's good to see I'm glad that the that that we've got some pre orders in on the team here I was tempted I will not be pre-ordering one for my personal use just because I you know we're not going to talk about this but iOS 6 has done really nothing different yeah isn't it wasn't it striking how they didn't even discuss iOS 6 like we talked about the apps they talked about app support vs nexus 7 well they talked about that with the occasion of the iphone 5 yeah yeah yeah but after after the iphone 5 everything just help rose over when when it got released and you know for CEO to have to come on record and apologize from over over a product you know there must have been something really hot happening in there and you know I I think that you know iOS 6 I I do understand the philosophy of why apple doesn't change iOS 6 yeah I get it yeah i do understand the philosophy and the problem is none of us three in this phone in this podcast are the targeted market and most of our readers and listeners aren't the targeted market for iPhones or iPads you know there are very simplistic products that are designed to cater to everyone in the audience you know not just a specific meet Mitch of of the market and you know I do understand why they don't want to change it but I am disappointed with iOS 6 i've said it so many times yeah and you know the reason why again the reason why when you you want to know the only reason why i bought that ipad mini yeah number one because i had an ipad 3 that I hate it that's the reason and I was able to sell it so I sold by ipad 3 and I'm just you know and because the nexus 7 would have been the perfect product if it had a better screen yeah the screen gbox I'm like you know I'd rather put up with pixels than with dull colors can I say while we're talking about the Nexus 7 and the ipad mini like can I just say that one of the big things at the presentation i think was phil schiller who was like look at this like look at her look our competition it's plastic on the back and it's lame and it's stupid and look at our thing is so thin and it's so beautiful in it look it's metal and it's stuff and I'm like yeah but for a guy who doesn't like cases particularly on tablets I don't like cases on phones but I really don't like them on tablets for a guy who's gonna carry the thing naked you know what I do like my nexus 7 you know what I do to that thing like I just I don't like like punt it down the street or in like that but I'm rather careless when I toss it around because I can be its durable it's it feels great in the hand the thickness is perfect for for the for the type of device it is and that it's just nice to be able to not have to worry about am I going to damage my expensive looking product agree you know I Syrians you don't want something to be a pretty piece of jewelry sometimes you want it to be functional and of course it will buy a case then well I don't like cases no I don't like you know i was i was talking to an out of mine we just got an iphone 5 she's like why are you wearing your iphone 5 without a case and I'm like I'm like Thea means on in Spanish I'm like this is like buying a BMW and using seat covers on the leather my stubby good point I'm like if you're gonna buy the thing and you're gonna cover it up what's the whole point of buying it let's go buy a frickin Toyota and make yourself happy exactly if you're gonna worry about what's gonna happen to it a couple of years don't use it right so so I'm like you know I this is me i buy the phone i buy applecare if something goes wrong I just smash it with a hammer I take it to an apple store and I get a replacement for 50 bucks that's me you know it's funny I I will always remember that there was a back in the days of the dumb phone it was the first camera phone of the United States the sanyo flip phone yeah yeah yeah yeah you remember what I'm talking about yeah I remember that phone i had it yeah was the 5300 and my friend Rick bought it before me I was like oh my god he got it and whatever and I noticed like he'd had it for two days nothing was already scratched to hell like what do you what he doing man this is a 400 phone he's like he looks at me he was like it was meant to be used it was like wow you know I can't argue with that man you were absolutely correct that was about eight years ago and I've always thought of that when I when I get my first scratch on it because you remember even in spite of all the stuff we're talking you do remember the first scratch you put on your device right oh yeah I you I almost every device I have I remember where what the first damage I did to it is man my one x recently I was I was it slipped from my hand and it hit my foot and it can you broke your toe listen its lid on its screen overall the the ceramic tile and I'm like oh so I'm like oh so much for gorilla for gorilla glass it's all scratched all the borders of the Infinity display got scratched so I'm like whatever damn whatever well any anyways III I noticed you have the the ipad you know the ipad 4 on the topic list as well and you know just the sad yeah i just talked about that for like 40 seconds yeah just just to add up i am waiting for brandon to receive the tablet and to tell me what he thinks about it yeah because you know i was i love the ipad 2 I i hated the ipad one because it was heavy I owned it for two months and I sold it then I got the ipad 2 and for me the ipad 2 was the perfect tablet it was not too big not too small it was not heavy it just felt good and you know the problem with the ipad 3 is the weight distribution which is the same problem of the 1x and so the ipad 2 didn't have that problem because the battery was smaller so I'm like Brent Allen just hold it tablet and tell me what you think because that's what I would like to tell you know listeners to expect for the ipad 4 if the weight distribution is better than I'd buy it but if not you know if I'm gonna have get the same heavy tablet I'd rather wait for the ipad 5 what's the I haven't looked at the specs on this you guys which weighs weighs exactly the same but again the time yeah it weighs exactly the same as the three but again the problem with the what the ipad 3 wasn't really the weight it was only like two grams heavier than the ipad 2 the problem was the weight distribution the battery is just so big and so dense that it just knocks her balance when you're holding it you have one a day I am yeah I huge it feels huge it feels huge in you don't get that same feeling with the ipad 2 and so you know for me I'd rather hold on for full-year the supporting pixels with the with the eye had many then you know they'd stand another iPad you know for I'll wait for the five but you know again my opinion is wait for brands to get his review unit and will tell you if it's lighter if it feels different or anything because usually these are just design cues what uh before we before we jump completely I think we're done with the many but did you have a final point to make on that Tony yeah I was going to take this opportunity just to inform our readers that even though the ipad mini black and white went on pre-order this morning and both should have delivered by November to it seems like the white sold out like six hours before the spot guess was recorded and it's shipping now in two weeks so the thing to take away here is number one people are either cared seeing those scratches on the black iphone 5 number two either Apple did a piss-poor job at predicting their initial stocks or number three they do indeed might have some problems in the supply chain and that's that's it Wow once I guess we'll have to see what yeah which which side of the story I'm expecting a press release on monday as they usually put out one like I don't know ipad mini pre-orders throughout the weekend if there will be no s release then I'm gonna assume that there were poor pre-orders and if there will be a press release will be happy to find out about the millions of units people pre-order throughout the weekend world why then let's not forget that this time many many many many countries are in for the pre-order so I'm expecting if I if I can make a prediction right now I'm expecting around four or five million units that's we'll see mostly that's interesting I don't know you know how many how many units are going to move it it's going to be incredible i think when i was watching the announcement and I when he first went phil schiller foot first pulled out the product the ipad mini i was like well this is this is going to sell incredibly well and I I don't know you know what that translates into in millions but I think they're gonna probably break some records here well go on I felt the same I felt the same you know until they brought the price tag that's where I that's where I thought that's why don't you doesn't matter one bit no no no no no that's just me that's just me and you know I think that another mistake that Apple made this is just a personal personal thought I feel that the keeping the ipad 2 was a mistake because what you're telling current owners of the ipad 2 is that your ipad is still up to date so you know current owners are current owners of the ipad 2 are not going to want to go for an iPad Mini or an iPad for it they're just gonna stick to what they have for another year it is a little weird that the two is still in the lineup like you would have thought that the many would replace the two no it's the two is the is the budget full-size iPad and the four is the D expensive the last year the deluxe go and the small is just a small one that this is not the thing that pisses me off Apple went crazy defending themselves that Siri is not compatible with the a5 chip on the iPads you well that's what i pad mini has the same bishop and series there yeah and i feel like that was what was it within within like two weeks or maybe even less time that the development community was like no we can totally run Siri on this absolutely yeah what are you talking about yeah I I want to say about the about the ipad 4 before we kind of move on here I think it's really it was very slick of Apple to to wait on the ipad for refresh because it's just a refresh it's like the least exciting iPad news there's ever been and I love that they just used the the ipad mini event as kind of a mask for that they're like hey by the way we refresh the ipad anyway moving on to this really cool product you know i think that's pretty awesome pretty basic nothing you know it didn't take a genius to come up with that idea but I I really like that in March um I don't know I didn't I at the three I think I feel like the three still has a lot of staying power I feel like a lot of people are really annoyed on Twitter like they were they were complaining so hard about this refresh of the ipad 4 to the point where somebody i forgot who tweeted it but somebody was like why is everyone acting like their ipad 3 just exploded and they don't have a tablet anymore you know you know it's funny you know p you can't make people happy you can you know if apple if apple takes an extra six months to launch the IP iphone 4s everybody goes crazy because they don't you know or if Apple just launched an iteration of the for making the 4s and they didn't launch a new read with the five and completely made their phones obsolete they're all so unhappy so you just can't make beat pack now you can't win you can't win but anyway that's so let's put iOS to bed where this is going to be a long podcast we know but we can't be in all day one so I we we're going to move on to to Android here do you have a closing thought on iOS either of you gentlemen poor removal no I've already talked too much about this yeah yeah the armory well I just came back yesterday from the from the Galaxy Note 2 launch event in new york city of course the Galaxy Note 2 was already released to international markets weeks ago we reviewed it but the US launch was was the day before yesterday and it was a massive event I keep telling people are like I was it what you do in New York I'm like well it was you know it's the biggest smartphone there is basically so it couldn't be a subtle event it wasn't gonna be like a small a small little party like you know they had samsung had Kanye West there they had a giant line of VIPs they had a bunch of actors whose names I don't know because I'm a poor student of pop culture but they really went all out for the galaxy note 2 release and I had an opportunity to to play with whole bunch of devices we've got some review units from the various carriers samsung you're actually did something really cool if you have not seen the video one of the difficult things about demoing a US release product or a product that's already been out and you've already reviewed it and now it's come out another market is that they're often very similar carriers used to have a lot of power with Samsung where they would be like no change the design put a keyboard on it to whatever and now Samsung's so powerful that they're like no you're going to you're going to release the phone as it is and that's pretty cool but then you find yourself doing a video two weeks after you've reviewed the phone it's like hey it's michael with pocketnow.com again again back with the galaxy note 2 hey remember air view hey remember multitasking but anyway well samsung had this really cool pop-up studio that they let us use and they had looking looking really cool love that Hideo I love the video too and it was all I cannot take credit for any of it that except for just being there and demoing the stuff because they're real pros they running the studio for us it was very nice to them to to give us that those kind of resources I just wish that I didn't oh that I didn't look like I always look which is exhausted dead tired and high and drunk haha yeah hi that's right so just quickly I have a lot of love for samsung as a company especially for the USB ours who who are guys and girls yes and all the great stuff but I am disgusted to the point of vomit by the Samsung Galaxy Note 2 and the samsung galaxy s3 the problem and the problem is that if you open the tap the valve at the sink galaxy s is threes and no tubes are flowing out I mean everywhere you look and everywhere you you at all you see is the note 2 we had like 75,000 events a lot of ads I actually stopped using my galaxy s3 because I couldn't put up with all the galaxy has free ads on television and they have adverse effects on me I know marketing teams have to sell the product of course we can argue that good products don't need that much marketing but regardless of that i think they are doing a good job with their products but marketing and samsung is an overkill I don't think you ask somebody on the street who should be according to their age gender and stuff like that knowledgeable that you ask them about the samsung galaxy s3 or the no.2 and they don't know about that so I think marketing with Samsung is an overkill but by the way let me interrupt here I'm HTC Sony all these companies please write this down this is how you release a product by the way a lot of marketing make people aware of it low people people still don't know what the one x is in my country yes I still don't know they look at me and they're like oh man your nostril respect your country doesn't matter and then mine doesn't matter either i don't know i mean i mean our countries the gym I image my mind non-relevant country got the galaxy s3 on launch date that is oh no what I'm saying is that is what a bold company does yeah exactly is what am I old company duh and I know I also see the galaxy s3 stuff everywhere i'm about to start seeing the note to stuff everywhere i mean we have in south station in Boston which is a massive train station there are probably 40 to 50 like ad placement sectors there are banners and and hanging things then they Samsung has blanketed the place and it's ridiculous I mean that that blue that's in the galaxy s3 at is just everywhere so they're blown it up and we've talked about this on the podcast before and they're just destroying it the interesting thing to me is and this is what I was going to ask somebody at Samsung if I'd had the opportunity to do an interview on that video and I didn't and I was sad to miss out on that but I was like you know what's interesting is that Samsung is trying he's going to do this with the note 2 they wouldn't have a giant blowout event like this if they weren't planning on doing what they did with the galaxy s3 with the note 2 they wouldn't be launching out on every US carrier almost simultaneously and the note 2 is designed well enough and I said this in the reviewed so that where that it feels a bit like a smart phone in your hand more so than the note 1 did because of its changed aspect ratio so it's like you guys are going to try and push the phablet into mainstream acceptance like the note was an experiment that went really right and now Samsung you're going to be like all right well hey the phablet is now going to come to everyone because if you're already thinking as a customer if you're already thinking of buying an s3 you're gonna see the note 2 next to it and be like well this is why not yeah but this way I'm already thinking of a four point eight inch device why why wouldn't I think about maybe taking a step up to 5.5 inches in oh look it has more capabilities and it's not really that much bigger is it you know I mean that's it's huge it is big and the problem is not it's not that reason the segment of the market has a limit attached to it from the 4 inch and the 3.5 inch segments which was the iphone segment has a limit there are people who don't want that small screens then the 5.5 inch market has a limit to it it's just the question is when will Samsung reach that because people who love huge phones and huge screens will not buy them no they won't but you know what the people there are people who wouldn't have bought a 4.3 inch device I remember people calling my original Eva huge and now look at it me as a week everybody don't really have a chance now I mean four point three and four are really small phones today Roy exactly and that's and that's the way the market I think we're gonna top out at 5.5 I don't think I go bigger but by the way listeners the guy with the biggest hands right now is saying that he's gonna puke with the Galaxy Note II that's a good point well anyway this thing is going to destroy destroy the world I they are really really gonna going to blow this up and um and I'm happy I'm having them I'm having fun too because I'm pleased to have this type of marketing as well and it's not just the marketing thing it's taking its it's saying with the note one hey here's this ridiculous thing right any like everyone's like what what are you what are you talking about what you you guys have lost it and then it sells really well and then they're like okay we've refined this now because we can now reap the rewards of taking a bold step and not just making another aping 4.5 inch device or 4.3 inch whatever you know what I mean and owned by the way we're gonna bring back a stylist to what you guys are back on drugs and then it turns out to be pretty awesome so anyway it's it's you know yeah don't get me wrong guys it's it's okay everything is okay and I don't have a degree in marketing and stuff like that but I just dunno I'd happen to know I've been working corporations all my life that the marketing has its downsides and the consumer doesn't need to be constantly reminded like every commercial break or every every billboard or banner they see on the street that this is the best thing the next thing the biggest thing that I don't know I don't know what then it's not necessarily about Samsung it just the Samsung happens at the moment to be using this I think in an exaggerated manner and for for people like me this has an adverse effect it has a negative effect I mean I wouldn't buy it now too if I got a sick of the advertising yeah I just I just hate to see that every 10 minutes I feel like that they factor that in right if you're like the marketing people who are really good at this stuff they're like okay one-point-five percent of people are going to be so irritated by this that they are gonna be turned off and then they call that an acceptable loss because they want to build this galaxy brand to such a degree and that's you know that's been working we talked before about how like you know it's no longer Oh what is that is it an iphone or a droid it's like oh is that the new galaxy yeah you know one of the 101 of the billions that yeah right yeah okay they're making some mistakes some good like the galaxy camera sucks I know it doesn't have okay you look tonight awesome love it was thank you for being that up because they did announce that for the US as well the other night i'm sorry i forgot to mention that but go ahead go ahead good well ya know they announced the galaxy camera as well we've played with it endlessly Tony and I saw it in Berlin then Brandon got a chance to get a hand of it the hands on it in New York City it I don't think it's going to sell very well particularly out on a contract on AT&T it misses the appointment you gonna fade a data plan for a camera exactly are you gonna do I think that's it's pretty nuts but I yeah I think gadget lovers are gonna love it I I don't think it's pro enough for real camera enthusiasts to enjoy it nah I don't think its consumer enough for for consumers to be like yeah I'll pay a data plan for a camera and again no wait I think it misses the mark on a couple things but just as a cool different thing I like it I don't think it's going to be as successful as the note was certainly well you you my friend will also love the webos toaster that is true you put webos on a refrigerator and I will buy them yeah we established this in Berlin we did I'm waiting for the Android power vacuum cleaner than webos toaster by the way I brought my lair to Berlin to show Tony and we're seeing seeing Anton denied you holding an HPV r is one of the most interesting things ever because it kind of looks like a pebble in your hand like I like a grip like a piece of gravel god it's a tiny phone anyway um real real quickly to wrap up the Galaxy Note bit verizon slapped their logo on so so I'm thinking of questions to ask for this interview that never happened in brandon sends me this thing is like ask about the verizon branding i'm like oh what did they do did they put a big logo on the back oh yeah their 4g LTE logo it's big whatever you know that right you know what they takes me hold on wait let me tell everybody what they did they actually slapped their they slapped the verizon wireless logo on the home button if you haven't seen the story and not just check mark which would have been offensive enough the check mark and the verizon wireless like the full brand the full trademark logo logo and as you guys are ignorant is the most obscene these guys driving their f250s with with a big ball sack hanging from the bottom of metric yes it's that awful that is what the verizon logo looks like on a small home but god it looks like something that shouldn't be there it's that's right it's like footballs belong to a horse or a freakin cow not a car the question here and the problem and it's by itself is more severe and more serious than then of course we're joking but we have talked endlessly about how Samsung has grown into that company which is now a la iPhone and Apple imposing its products on carriers yes untouched the galaxy s3 was a good example of that they no longer went with 50,000 variety of variety for every carrier in the world for separate variants in in the US and the Galaxy Note 2 was expected to be dead and it was that for AT&T and for t-mobile and it's that for sprint now the question is is verizon that ballsy to tell samsung my friends if you want to sell this phablet on my carrier is going to be on my terms or is verizon that unimportant for samsung that they say okay get your logo on it what hand afford i think that factors into the strategy of theirs right i think if if it had come down to that it come down to such a like a my way or the highway kind of thing with this branding samsung can't afford to lose verizon if they're trying to push the galaxy note 2 as hard as they want to they cannot afford to lose the biggest carrier in the United States exact yeah to get back to what time is it it's about balls and verizon has bigger balls than Samsung yeah but look at Samsung look at what they're like well we don't have to change the design we don't have to add a keyboard do anything crazy all we have to do is silkscreen a logo onto this button and people might hate it but you know what it's going to get us access to 80 million customers or 90 million customers and and to make a point here Verizon actually sold more galaxy s the reason they old iPhones last quarter I think it was oh really now that's that is telling ya I'm sure this should include a sandpaper in the box I know oh no I don't polish remover yeah anyway that's let's get away from the heads just so annoying um the I want to kind of power through at the rest of Android here pretty quickly we had this was this was really cool that the nexus 10 quick start manual leaked now we're pretty confident this is legit right this is not we'd like to believe it is we would have and it looks like the flying sauce the firing squad perhaps even look at this not at all what I would have expected like you think Nexus 10 and maybe involuntarily you're like all right so your brain blows up the nexus 7 to Nexus 10 dimensions now that's what I was expecting yes but I'm glad and you know maybe it's ugly and we won't we haven't laid eyes on the actual product or at least I haven't but it reminds me of a galaxy note 10 dot one with like bulged bulged out like it looks like somebody took a straw put it in the note 10 at one and like blew into it until its size boat Michael goals they have to avoid litigation from Apple don't forget short and i love it i love the design it looks like a pad from Star Trek Voyager and I'm into that so guys a question I'm gonna make a point I'm song do then win that or name one just one give me one top-selling landscape oriented tablet one hmm yeah that's rough don't get yourself there aren't any the top-selling tablets on the planet are the iPad the kindle fire and the Nexus 7 those are the three tablets that have sold the most in history even the Nook Tablet i think sold more than a lot of samsung tablets yeah they're trying they've been trying to push this landscape for in fact there ever since the motorola xoom and it does not work sixteen by nine on it on a thick tablet is heavy and it's uncomfortable and people don't like it people ended up buying the zoom and returning it and that's why this tablet you know I'm sad because I wanted four by three or whatever you know the Nexus 7 is a perfect example of how you can fit a 16 by 9 screen on a sort of a non too long factor and it they made it portrait oriented that's what they should have done with this tablet and I feel I feel that it's gonna fail I sadly feel that it's going to fail you know if that's it's a solid prediction I can't necessarily disagree with it I landscape is a weird orientation to choose for the primary orientation of a tablet I get why you would do it but it's tough it's a tough case to make I don't I don't have a whole lot of confidence no Michael can you imagine my Nexus 10 how would that look on 10 10 inches of empty screens no I know third thing everything and just for me to make a point and a lot of people don't understand this but for example i worked in airlines for 15 years and if for example you guys know why seats on an air on an airplane or are you know most of the cloth is tinted blue know so that they don't need to wash it when they're there they're dirty they're dirty okay no I would guess ya blue actually is a color that inspires both Komnas and royalty so it gives it gives the psychological impression to customer that the airline is actually a top-tier airline and it also brings calmness to users so my point is everything has a psychological effect on people everything sure um you know the reason why Mazda use it you know why did the mazda3 become the most popular Mazda ever sold her 323 i think it was it was because of that smiley face in front of the car that was drawn by the design which is on so much yeah but people love that you know the average user love that everything has a psychological purpose of being the way it is you saying adult is 10 is is is is like it as a landscape device sends the wrong message right off the bat since there are all the landscape tablets that have ever been launched have not sold for many reasons true but why is it what's the difference between if you think about it it's only hardware oriented differently but everything has a psychological impact on people absolutely yep the comes the news for example why do you think that sharp borders on anything feel offensive for people have you ever seen a the LG what is it the optimist view I mean oh yeah yeah oh the Vice with sharp corners that actually sold and you know it was no I the razor edge sharp corners like you know it's a it's it's not an all encompassing yeah it all depends and yeah I can tell you this much since Google Google's Android is not a 4 x free platform 84 x free supporting platform they don't have really much choices but to go with a landscape form factor because everybody any anyone who has ever held a 10 inch android tablet and has turned it into portrait that thing sucks that still works yeah but they don't have a choice but to go with landscape well you know I've installed cm9 or whatever the hell was on the on the HP TouchPad for one of my first videos for propaganda and like you know using Android in portrait orientation isn't fun but on a four by three device like that it's not bad it's it's certainly much better than it is unlike the motorola xoom or something with a 16 by 9 where you just feel ridiculous holding the thing on but what's concerning to me about the nexus 7 this will be my last point on the excuse me in the nexus 10 is that they have not solved the problem of this app this app question an apple made sure to nail them on this when they were comparing the ipad made anything against nexus 7 they're like look at the app experience when you stretch a phone app up yeah i think it looks like crap and it does it looks better on the nexus 7 than it does on any other android device because it's smaller you stretch a phone app to 10 inches and still look at pandora running on a 10 inch android tablet it is hilarious how who knows i be maybe android 4.2 will bring something like I don't know small windows and you'll block launch Twitter or Facebook on a 10 inch tablet then it will take up only a small part of the screen instead of just maximizing and seeing empty space everywhere which would be awesome cuz we which would think we've learned that that floating windows are actually like possible and awesome on Android devices with the galaxy note 2 and like the only good thing about the 10 dot one maybe yeah let's see what Monday brings let's see what Monday brings we'll see we may see Android for tattoo on on monday Joe Levi's a great piece up we can't talk about because we have to move on but you should i'm looking forward to to google's event on monday while we're talking about 16 by 9 tablets let's let's do it let's jump into this this surface news the survival yeah the surface RT kind of had its coming out party dudes it's like it started there was a press conference yesterday it's gone into today we've got some hands-on coverage on the site adam lean got his hands on what about 14 billion in windows 8 tablets yep every two minutes like anyone with this hands-on with it and all all 14 billion above by the way not not just some yeah not just some of them all of them i mean so this has been cool it's been fun to watch the flood we're gonna have we're gonna have surface review up early next week so you just stay tuned for their impressions on that but it's so interesting to watch the internet and I did this for editorial I wrote yesterday about pre-orders more Tony and I were talking about you know what what does the surface say about the state of pre-orders and I kind of whipped up a piece on that and you know everybody hated it and that's cool whatever but uh it's so interesting to like survey the internet and see the reactions from sites that i like you know and i probably looked at reviews from eight eight to ten different different tech sites in it it's it's interesting to see what the reaction have been so far and pretty much everybody agrees that the hardware is really amazing with that vapor mg that magnesium sort of weird alloy that they're doing there but also a lot of people are saying that it is because of what we were just talking about with this 16 by 9 aspect ratio that it is very awkward in portrait and and of course it is and that's why the you know the capacitive windows button is down in landscape orientation on the on the long side i have to admit to having forgotten that when when they microsoft announced the surface i knew that i'm sure i wrote about it but it wasn't until the review started coming out that i was like oh yeah this is one of those really long tablets um that's weird you know combined with the not negligible weight of the thing and the fact that several reviewers said that it really feels like it wants to be on a desk you know it wants to be a wants to be a computer with the with the touch you know keyboard deployed like I don't know I i I've been kind of damaged by the ipad 3 i've felt the pain of carrying around a tablet that is too heavy for me to carry around comfortably in my daily use I'm not saying it's very heavy thing and you know commenters like are you got a blue sweets if you think that's heavy and shut up shut up but like I called you puny me exactly man oh man what you think that's big you gotta do some hand stretches if you go on Carrie that's you know I think I think that I remember I'm trying to remember when I saw this documentary about how important design is to a product yeah you know I think that you know certain the reasons I think that tablets are made in landscape orientation for all the wrong reasons why do you use a tablet the most for and the most you do use it for or at least in my particular case is to consume content like visit websites like the active thing of looking at Twitter looking at Facebook and usually i'm doing that standing up holding the tablet and moving around the kitchen or moving around the living room or stuff and if I am forced by the design of the tablet to only be able to hold it one way then it just becomes a cumbersome experience particular that I would like to choose my orientation and to not have the tablet-optimized to watch a movie that i rarely do yes I've agreed and when you are doing you are using it one-handed if you're walking around you can deal with that in portrait because of the you know physics be holding it in landscape orientation you've got all this weight just extending out and you're only anchoring it on one side with your aunt it's very uncomfortable it's very annoying okay am I the only one who likes the design of the surface yes oh let me just make a point here I like the design really like the design of the surface to I like it the design is cool ty where you love to see a phone with that design bio me John I think we most certain I'd will I feel it's futuristic I feel it's cool I feel my problem with the surface is that I feel that it misses the point but well or probably it's it's us that missed the point about the fact that like you said it wants to be on a table and we're trying to look at this as a tablet man it's it's not it's like it's like a different category of convertible more so than it has a real tablet and that's you know I see they're good or bad probably here's the point if they would have made the win the surface pro with the sharp edges and everything um that I would have minded because it's really a tablet that's designed to be more on the table you're just you have the option of picking it up but it wasn't really designed to be used that way but the problem with windows RT is that it's actually designed to be a tablet it's actually designed to cater to users that guy to choose a tablet or computer and the problem is that the design is not really optimized for you to hold it and carry it around and it's funny because you see these ads and these guys just make it look so easy and they've got these beachbody sitting inside their their their shirts and everything that I'm telling you about this but but seriously that that's just the point the tablet it has sharp corners um and I'm like you know when I got the comments yesterday I'm like listen man you want to buy the thing and just hold it whichever way you want just buy the damn thing I don't care what you I'm trying to justify your purchase honey you putting so many tablets um out of owning I've owned six tablets already I i want to tell you what it's like to carry a device with sharp corners i own the zoo yeah and it was probably the closest analogue right to this device as far as like a like a form factor consideration goes and Tony you're saying that you like the you like the sixteen by nine you like the landscape focus what do you I do like the 16 x 10 aspect ratio I'm a surface I do like the outer aspect in in general on the surface and I don't care about the weight and about the weight distribution I'm a big guy I can cope with that so my biggest problem with the surface the RT version is that it's running Windows RT and so when my problem is with Windows RT not because I would be or somebody would imply that I'm a hater know and not a hater I would love this to succeed but then looking at Windows RT and I think windows RT is the windows phone seven for the tablet no y SI unit from a good I want to talk software for a second but for from a design perspective I like how the two played together I want to say that because you know as like the consensus that maybe is being forced on everyone is that by all these reviews and first impressions is that well the hardware is great the software is half-baked like that's kind of the theme that I took from maybe 6 out of 10 reviews but they play so nicely together from a design perspective you know HTC when they dropped their windows phone 8x and 8s they were like so the design inspiration was what if you took a tile from Windows Phone 8 and stretched it out into a phone yeah you know I like that's like you know that's an awesome cool like concept and I feel like the surface thing the surface does that well like windows 8 on like active on the screen turned on on the surface all those square tiles play really nicely with the surface is really really square design and sharp corners and I like that they play well together in that respect I agree that Windows RT is maybe a little bit i have my have my reservations about the Metro UI but I'm not going to go into that because I'm not take too long i I just I just want to say this I just want to say this the problem with the surface RT is that and I as I mentioned that yesterday um whenever the problem with buying a crossover SUV is that you're not getting the full power of full-blown as you you're a truck but you still have to pay for it and you're not getting the speed of a sedan this is a good an option so you're not really getting the full blown experience of either one of these you're just getting a mid-tier product the problem with the surface RT is that there are no apps um there are no apps whatsoever it's it's like it's I can't believe Microsoft can't figure this out seriously you know we're talking about the company that has a seal that stood in front of people with a song saying the developers developers developers develop and where the hell is developers now they're not let's not forget guys this is a vicious circle I mean in order to drive developers to a platform there has to be a certain demands for that platform and or not enter my subversive yeah but the problem with this is that Microsoft is not to be trusted we have a company here who's changed their mobile strategy twice in the last five years they had windows mobile 6.5 they dished it they came out with Windows 7 now they pretty much ditch that in everything I be catered to windows 8 and people are just waiting to see because they clearly see that Microsoft doesn't understand where they're going but they didn't that that's just my point i think is a disease is it the final step if it's not if windows 8 and windows phone 8 are not the final the final thrust for Microsoft and then then well there's always windows 9 yeah but but to make you see developers don't trust don't trust them right to make my point and the point that I was trying to make with the editorial yesterday is this um if you the good thing about buying an ipad is that you're getting a tablet that's not trying to be anything else but a tablet that's what makes the ipad special at the fact that it's not not trying to copy anything it's time i agree with you but i have read a very interesting comment i don't know on which of our boats was thankfully we had lots of comments so regardless there was this guy who was telling me and replied to one of my comments that i am physically incapable of accepting the surface for what it is so he was he was advocating for this idea that the surface is a new breed of products of the consumer electronics and that we need to accept that as it is and stop comparing it with ultrabooks on one hand or tablets on the other hand okay fine I'll accept that I just won't buy it that's the thing it does it it doesn't invite me to buy it free to my choice my point is this I doesn't invite me to buy it and it doesn't invite me to buy it because the platform is I have to choose over a product that doesn't want to be a tablet and it doesn't want to be a laptop so why am I gonna pay for Windows RT if I could just pay for windows 8 pro on a surface pro and get the full blown experience of window that that's my point and the problem is that that they're trying to create a product that doesn't need to be created it's like if you try to create a car with three wheels what's the point I I don't know I I think that this is a very very compelling compelling a strategy I don't know if it would be successful I think the idea the theory of like you don't carry a tablet and a phone ice cube don't care a tablet in a computer carry something that can be both like this almost never works I get it it's so hard to do because you like you like you're saying the better product is the product that knows what it is and does the one thing it does well this is why them had phone is such a ridiculous ridiculously cool concept that's never going to work because you know i don't think the it does well in either of his configurations not that I've held one just a disclaimer they're just from from everything I've read so I I I would love to see this work someday because I don't like carrying multiple devices if i'm going to write to write something i don't want to carry a tablet and a computer but i have to that's annoying so i would like it if it could work what what is what is your saying i have two sayings first one is in romanian and it goes like this she colada she bezels which means both on a horseback and by foot it's not possible and the other weapons in hungarian which says that edge again I'm LED module midooni Kate Lovett and it goes like you cannot write put your ass on two horses you called in between I I listen I understand I understand no I think you're absolutely right i think those are those are perfect perfect analogies that's like that bet calls are a shot right now where's my scotch let's move on our fun that's that's great quest that sequence in RT poisoning oh where would even anyway so regardless we'll say we're gonna have a lot more on the surface i want to ask this question because this is such a cool head line and i love the question this is from steven with so much surface interest who's buying the other windows 8 tablets I am fascinating idea and you know what I I am I am too because I'm I'm i want to buy the envy x2 I love I would probably the bait you would give us one I look stupid raising my hand right now but I'm actually get to your I am now no I get no comments in mind so here's the thing like we know about these other products right we know about these these convertibles and tablets running Windows 8 from other manufacturers I don't think anyone else does yet because of course the marketing hasn't kicked in yet in whatever whatever but in a way it's a valid question surface is going to get the most buzz out of all these I think because it who's excited about a product out in the regular world nobody HP doesn't excite people in the consumer way they even said it when Apotheker was like we want to be as cool as apple and we're not maybe the only the only good thing he got no but I'll make a point I'll make a point and I'm sorry to interrupt only just a small point I think that a sous made a really compelling design with a transformer prime with making a keyboard dark that brings the addition of a battery and a USB port and just making I think they made the perfect concept for what a Windows 8 tablet has to be it has to be a product where if I get the keyboard that keyboard actually has to mean something yeah it has to give me extra battery if you don't use usb when you're on tablet mode because you're not going to be carrying the tablet with a wire but you use USBs when you have it on the table so that's like the perfect idea you have the keyboard dock where everything is and then you use it as a tablet whenever you don't need it that is the perfect windows 8 design and I am the one that's gonna be getting one nice it's a solid point tell me what were you gonna say I was going to ask you one thing and one thing only if you remember back in Berlin when we were there with the occasion of IFA how many roughly windows 8 devices did you see God with around five to ten so many yeah there are a ton ok envy x2 aside which one would you buy now I don't remember any of the other well that's my point yeah I remember chase for w5 something MW if I remember him like i tend to samsung's but but still none of those appeal to me i'm not necessarily because the hardware because because we we don't know that much about this entire windows 8 / windows RT thing I mean Microsoft did a piss-poor job letting us you know what they are doing or they made a fantastic job and keeping us in the dark yes it was it's one of the two and yeah would do we whether it's a good or bad they definitely did it so yeah we I don't know you know we'll have to see how this how this goes like moving forward but i think it's it's really cool and I think we get tangled up in the details a lot and it's i just want to mention that it is really cool to be watching a new platform kind of try and take take hold obviously windows 8 itself it has to be a success Microsoft will make it a success on the desktop but to watch it try and like filter into this tablet convertible category and to watch Windows Phone 28 try and grab some hold I mean that's awesome and it doesn't matter it's not that it's from Microsoft it's not that it's a windows but it is just leave all that aside it's a it's a platform that doesn't have much share trying to trying to get to a place where they are significant and that's awesome it's it's cool to watch that happen true so great i'm excited for the next couple months i'll give it to them I'll just ask Joe Belfiore please if you're listening to this doing a favor whenever you stand and do a presentation talk about anything else that's not the live tiles please you know there is so much more to Windows Phone than the little tiles you know and and do me another favor you know that people hub whenever I see somebody that I have a thousand comments on my a thousand people on my facebook and so whenever I see an image of somebody that I remember I'm like oh here's this guy and i touch my windows phone seven people icon and it takes me to just the whole list and that it doesn't even remember me remind me of who that person is i forgot their name I'm like damn this tile should be smarter draft letter draft a letter will send these deer meat up yeah please Joe talk about anything else that's not the live tiles a sword spin him I got the point so let's move on speaking of Windows Phone this just very quickly to touch on this steven has a cool piece from yesterday okay microsoft exec blames smartphone missteps on desktop security focus very interesting Tony asked me to to include this in the rundown and I just took a look at it was like wow yeah well this is what happen when they're having it here yeah this would have been the perfect topic for a role play oh god I'm buddy it's the only time this is the only time I will ever say that I'm glad Brandon is not here at this very moment I'm not gonna force you to do one let's just imagine this situations only I want to make it third only because of the role play i love Brennan I love having them on the pocket I'm just saying I just want to do a role play right now go ahead time we're not talking Microsoft in the late 70s when they are doing things in their garage we're adopting Microsoft in 2000s when they are one of the biggest companies in the world with dedicated sections of their company for every aspect of Microsoft so when when somebody says excuse me nonsense because I don't want to use the c-word like this I just come to think of it that the entire windows mobile / Windows Phone team who was working allegedly on something got a memo and they said I'm sorry I've talked to the big ones and we're now shifting focus on security so what did that team do did they just go to work and do nothing for like two or three years I mean I can't really understand this as an excuse you have hundreds of people working on the phone segment hundreds of people working on the Windows desktop segment just because you're shifting focus to computers it doesn't mean that you are ignoring fire ring or just bring your people in the windows phone segment to work and you're paying them for nothing this is this is a lame excuse and and it's not working with me yeah yeah but blackberry must be like really laughing at this you know the guys at room who figured it out before they did yeah well they're I don't think they're laughing about anything these days true but but what uh I mean Apple figured it out with iOS too so come on yeah it's it's that thing that companies do where they're like you know hey we need to talk about how we fell off the you know fell off the top of the mountain and now we're coming yeah trying to climb out of the motor for a phone sure man any excuse right this is a corporate thing and I like peeks into companies and where stuff goes wrong but I I agree with you that I don't but I don't really buy it yeah yeah no it's a good call um dia the last thing i want to touch on in Windows Phone and Windows is jessica alba famed famed actress who has been spotted with a Nokia Lumia 920 on the scene normally this would not be terribly newsworthy but the as we know windows phone 8 is heavily dependent on the Nokia Lumia push and to see a pre-release device which by the way which we have been able to touch but not without but with strict understanding that we're not damn thing in the software like they are so so paranoid about anybody getting a hand on the software that it's interesting to see a pre-release device in the wild and I almost wonder of this 920 is running of Jessica Alba's as may be running windows phone seven eight that's a dummy did you think it's a dummy well I think she's carrying it like with her white iPad which is ending justification here so I don't know I'm cool to see it's good to be a celebrity as the headline says let me tell you this much if this would have happened somewhere else you wouldn't have spotted Jessica although with the Lumia 920 the Lumia 920 would have spotted you with Jessica Alba that's a good point did you really and that's all I'm gonna comment on this well um that's I I'm looking forward to more and just I think I just got it looking for on the on the 920 and other windows windows devices there's a lot there was a lot more news from this week but we've we have done something that I don't want to do very often but we have to sometimes that we would last week we had to skip listener mail I don't want to do that again we've got a got a couple pieces to read I do want to say to listeners that unfortunately the we're getting enough listener mail now which is so great it's so awesome but the dream is kind of over we can no longer read all of them on the air and we've actually run out of time to reply to all them personally so I'm sorry about that sistance i was saying this last night i was just sick when i was like i have to get up early to do this podcast and the girl i'm seeing is like what why don't you get can she get an intern or something i can go that'll be great Tony let's get an intern yeah sure give her my give her my email okay all right good yeah she just volunteered no um the thing is that there's just so much of a volume of message traffic we can't deal with it also thank you so much everyone think really it's awesome so just a tip and this is something that I wish somebody had told me when I used to write into podcasts and my stuff would never get read if you want your your your piece of mail to be read on the air it should typically it should not be too long we get a lot of essays that are really interesting but we can't read them they should probably include a question and it should be a topic that's broad enough for many people to be interested in so if we get too specific we can't really and should be up to 100 words long yeah that's that's a good good threshold and if you are a constant writer in we will try and get you on the rotation please understand if we have to skip you in favor of somebody new we got to get you know give everybody a chance but please keep writing and I cannot emphasize that enough we still need your mail so let's get right to it we have a piece of mail from mark in limerick ireland i love i love when people from Ireland or people from Europe save sale ads well lads love the podcast I love it listen to it in bed the day it comes out i love the topics opinions and personalities my question is why do you think carrier prices in the US are so dear and this isn't translating too well to my slang filter but I think I sort of get it mark is making the point that with three Ireland which is a carrier you can get the the galaxy s3 for free on a two-year contract paying about eighty dollars a month and you get 15 gigs of 15 gigs of data a month Jesus awesome then this is something called flex units which is one minute of a call or two SMS that's awesome so the this it's cool to learn about how other carriers bill stuff but I think that the question is why why is the price of ways our phone pricing so out of whack is it population network maintenance or maybe even something to do with your culture or maybe you just have a lot of money it's actually look it was it the last one we were just yeah we're just swimming in money all the time ya know if Anton is on the podcast ask him about prices in Romania that's that yeah who say again that you should ask you next time yeah so uh you know I don't I don't know I there is a carrier here in the US and maybe it's telling that it's one of the carriers that has a strong international influence t-mobile USA which is owned by Deutsche Telekom is the only carrier nationwide carrier in the US that offers this kind of pay for the phone as you go kind of thing where it's like you can get a very high-end phone for very cheap but you're paying off the cost of the phone over the course of the contract not just paying off the subsidy through your monthly bill so i don't know and the rest of the guys yeah the rest of the carriers are like yeah pay us 299 that's the subsidized price and you'll get a galaxy note 2 I don't know why that is I don't know what what the difference is I think it might be cultural I think it might be that Americans um you know we're a little late to the cell phone game and we got used to high prices and then the carriers were like well we're going to take advantage of this i don't i don't think so i finally was prices to be rather cheap and since I've been asked about the prices in Romania I'm gonna bring you this example so mark write this down I'm talking about the galaxy s3 we don't have the note 2 just yet so the galaxy s3 on a certain carrier here who uses animals to describe its contracts you'll know who I'm talking about so first option 159 you rose two-year contract 49 euros per month 199 gyros with two year contract 39 euros per month and 360 rose two-year contract 23 euros per month you can make a calculation and see what the end price will be for this phone yeah yeah would see that's interesting because in the US and I want to hear if this is true in South America like in the u.s. it doesn't matter you don't have to pick a certain rate plan to get a certain pricing on the phone like the phone if you get a contract you can get a forty dollar a month planner you can get a two hundred dollar-a-month plan it doesn't matter the subsidized cost of the phone will remain the same yeah um which you know I guess makes it easier to talk about but makes it a little more frustrating if you're like I'm gonna be spending 200 hours a month with you guys why am I paying the same amount for the phone I get that that's confusing and weird is that the same case in in in South America no no and here it's it's different you can either go for a subsidy but the subsidy price changes depending on the plan okay um for example the iphone the the higher the plan that you get you if you get like the one hundred dollar plan you get the phone for like two hundred dollars but the problem is that free paid here is actually much bigger than postpaid than credit and the reason why is because you know the the country sadly if you know it's not economically a stable country so a lot of people don't have very good credit scores and so it's hard for them to get you know to either pay the bills for keep the habit but you know the country is just boom with prepaid and so what they do is that they they offer you the phone on 12 months no interest on your credit card or whatever you have any sort of means and then you just get a prepaid plan and that's what they do mostly and the reason why is because for example an iphone 5 here a brand new iphone 5 you want to get it'll cost you fifteen hundred bucks whoa 1,500 bucks that's how much the phone costs here and that you know it's just the way it is but I you know in my point but I studied business and retention I feel really bad for Canadians because they have to face so much more money and sign in for three-year contracts to keep a phone yeah the three-year contract yeah that is that is like crazy but they're the only reason why carriers do that over there is because they can't because people are actually willing to pay for it but I think in Canada they also have the option to go with one year or two years they have the option when they got a mere equipment they mostly go for that I think that's what I've seen I I'm no expert i I wish that some some of our Canadian listeners would just chime in on the comments here yeah but what I've heard is mostly its three-year contracts if you want to get like a full subset of your stuff and that's just crazy I mean it felt early last two years it barely does but but the point is they do that because they can because you can get a galaxy s3 in this country cheap you know you get it for a lot less money and that's just because Samsung is pushing it and they just want to push it really hard are you get a blackberry really cheap here so it just the you know the thing like various states is that you know possible sorry wrap it up hi mate no I'm sorry I was making a stupid joke um yeah you know I don't know I think I think it is we have so many different models and in so many different countries and it all works really differently III don't know you know a mark I I wish which had more more American insight into it other than my initial complaint which was yeah i think we pay more and then hi mate comes along and says $1,500 for an iphone 5 that's ridiculous yeah we pay we pay a lot more for everything so the point being is i think that they tropical eyes each of their strategy is depending on the market that's just the way it is if the market has the capability to pay for something they'll charge you more that's the way it is well let's um let's move on a little bit here we got a have mail from from Kenneth meadows in Ohio guys love listen your podcasts while I wash cars at work that is an awesome replace to listen or PI oh that's that's sweet that's a dirt thing to say to the podcast it definitely makes a day fly by so my question i bought my blue galaxy s3 back in june from AT&T sadly 30 plus days after i activated the red one was released i hate it when that happens I was not able to get it because my 30 we were terribly 30 day return period was up I was wondering if you would have a solution to changing the color without a case thanks you forget about it no I do have one I've got one I do have one will exam paper no no so Kenny go on to pocket naka and search in the search box for this HTC touch diamond Adam lying edition oh yes it's you are in the car wash business you most probably have somebody who works at a paint shop so just paint that phone you can take the the back of it and and if they're pros they can they can paint it real nice for you mascot fans you can have whatever color you want oh it's awesome and it is see what if a bill unicrone this sounds like it's really funny ridiculous solution and that sounds it sounds like something and it probably cost a little bit but if you look at Adams special edition touch diameter I remember asking I'm like where did you get that that's outrageously cool so yeah automotive detailing shop will do that but there's also some some retail outlets color where is probably the most well-known they only do color changes on the iphone and on the blackberry and they're not cheap but there is there were rumors that they were going to do the s3 who knows they don't do it yet but anyway the name of that site if you want to keep an eye on it Kenny is color where C olor wa re and I was also looking at a quick google search gave me gelaskins gelaskins calm GTL a skins they have a lot of wraps that are kind of graphical they're not color-changing wraps necessarily but they're you know so it's like decals yeah they're like decals and I think a lot of commenters were saying that like those will peel off on the galaxy s3's curves and you know they might expect probably yeah but they're really cool and you know the problem with the galaxy s3 have you found out how much swapping the the housing costs I mean the screen assembly alone costs like 250 bucks yeah so don't try to go that route just get a gelaskin or get a color where and just get a couple of them and swap your colors every week or something yeah yeah so or you know if you if you if you want to go the cheaper route just get a different color battery door get a couple of those and swap those out and unfortunately the face won't be fixed but hope that's or you can get a samsung cover that thing which i hate so on this book thing that comes with with a backplate and I am Boba's like look it adds bulk but at escala ruptured that's a good no I go by the way Kenny I have the blue galaxy s3 by choice i find it to be the most beautiful one so i think you got a cool phone there you probably she wants to be unique right yeah girl that's a good fun uh I'll give it to him all right let's move on to our second last piece or emails from mike bates who's written to us before hey Mike this is a cool 1i like this I did not know that Mike was currently a freshman in high school congratulations good luck in the next four years that is a difficult time and go easy on stuff yeah he's helping to run an android mobile technology news site he writes an average of 35 articles a day in addition of daily video news sites been up a few months and they're starting to get awareness and that's awesome that's cool he says I'm really liking tech journalism I'm wondering what kind of things you guys studied in high school college that you think helped you get where you are also do you've any tips for getting more well known in the community thanks Mike cool question um iid I'll tell you what I studied Mike I studied acting so I think we are all spot on the way I see the team we are all I mean the the thing is I think this is one of those industries that requires it requires a lot of different types of skill sets a lot of people with different skill sets and I think that it also has a lot of room for people with different skill sets some of us on the team are really good at one thing and not good at another others are the exact opposite of that so I think Mike it doesn't it ultimately doesn't matter what you choose to study the industry has seems to have room for a lot of different types of people do you guys agree agree yeah I and I think I am the same as everybody else on the team with one maybe exception and nothing in common with with this field i'm working in right now I finished pathology on law school so I'm by no means a tech-oriented from school person but I think what it takes is dedication and love for the industry for technology for gadgets an open mind and if you want advice try to always be as unbiased as you can this is the key to success and the community will recognize you for that charlie'd true and my case I well I studied business I worked in Airlines for 15 years and before that I had a ton of odd jobs so I honestly my experience with this pretty much had to be that I was a contributor in just about every form you can think of and you know the way I learned the way I landed in pocket now was because I actually bricked my HP ipaq nineteen forty years ago and there was this guy on the format pocket now that actually helped me out and so you know it doesn't really I don't think it requires a specific you know skill set I just think that like Tony said you require an open mind if you wanted to and the second one which is the tip that I'll give you and with it's something that all of us at pocket now share and it's be a perfectionist and you know it's funny because a lot of people have negative things to say about perfectionism but if it wasn't for perfectionism you wouldn't see them the Michael Jackson videos that you see or the way the guy would dance or you know music videos would be totally different in movies would be totally different if there wasn't a perfectionist guy that came and just raised the bar of how things have to be so if you see a certain you know at parking now we've been this way we've seen people do video in a certain way and we're like no we want to do video better we want it to be good we want people to like it we want it to be a pleasant experience and we've seen it at orioles in other ways and I think the perfectionism really helps you raise the bar and give readers you know more4 for their time obviously it's going to require a lot more effort well you know sometimes I end up converting a video four times just because I get a green flash at the end or something stupid I know but but you know that's you know that level of respect towards your readers and your viewers is would really grow up Garner's you Garner's you can popularity the fact that you care about ya know that's that is that's that a solid I think you said it better than better than I could so Mike I hope that is a that is helpful thank you for for following us and let me know shoot us a shoot us an email with your site I didn't I didn't omit your site name for proprietary reasons I just didn't didn't receive it so shoot his name up with your site will check it out and and good luck to you and finally we've got an email from John Abrahms hey guys love the podcast John his contract ended on his blackberry 9630 finally ended a few months ago he says he's finally able to get his first super phone he says pretty clear you got her choosing OS you got to choose an ecosystem with that in mind which OS he asks I a cos Android Windows Phone or other do you think has the brightest future in terms of continuing to grow innovate and have the best end user experience in other words if you had to choose one operating system you use for presumably the rest of your life which walled garden would you choose that's from John Abrahms of the planet Earth got my answer do you guys yeah I got mine too yeah fire away Tony Tony go for it okay so my answer the way i see it i have three questions here and i will give you three answers the the brightest future of continuing to grow is one answer innovate is a second answer and have the best user experience is a third answer because you won't get all of these in one platform so as far as I see things right now innovation now let's start with the terms of continuing of to grow I think android has the power to continue to grow so that's Android innovation I'd say go with Windows Phone and if you look for the end user experience go with iOS I know it wasn't helpful but your question was phrased in such way that these are my thoughts that's a nice that's a good rep good roundup and I can't disagree with your conclusions yeah what about Jaime agreed in my case I'm you come from a blackberry John and so do i I used blackberries for work for like five or six years back when they were bricks and you know for me moving from from from windows mobile to a blackberry was a big change in paradigm but I actually liked it because you know it was really smart you know messaging and everything is blocked in one place you have to be looking around with an apps and everything but for me switching from that to iOS really helped because the learning curve was small and you know that's what I tell people isn't it for your first smartphone i do recommend you probably consider an iphone just because it requires a very small learning curve and everything is calm calm part to mentalize how do you say that any good apartment elastin yeah right so it makes the learning curve easy you know I've learned of a lot of people that have adopted Android initially but they don't really have an open mind you know probably because of their age or whatever and they just block themselves and return the phone and they're they're not doing justice to Android because it's a really great platform the only problem is it's catered for power users so my advice do you probably try an iphone first and and you know if you feel comfortable with it just move on to a galaxy phone eventually or you know something like that so I I think that um you kind of taking all these points that you raised John into into balance and trying to find a happy medium many of them aground I think in terms of continuing to grow Android is is definitely the one to to look at there i mean it's just a juggernaut and it shows no sign of slowing anytime soon as far as innovation goes google is no slouch when it comes to innovation either you know you just need to look at the various unlock options and stock android to see that and that's just a minor point and then you've got the the OEMs contributing to that too if you want to go with the Samsung device that does crazy stuff like smart stay and whatever and yeah yada yada yada and have the best end-user experience while yeah i feei think iOS delivers that right now i think i think jellybean is really interesting and its stock configuration and starting to get so clean and i cannot i'm going to sound like the fanboy i am the retired webos fanboy am I think with matias duarte continuing to exert his influence at Google Android is going to get even more acceptable from a user interface standpoint and it might even grow excellent yes so I think android is probably the best bet make their which is not too that is a little bit of a judgment against iOS i I'm annoyed that it hasn't changed in five years and I'm worried it won't change for another five and that Apple time I said earlier in the podcast Apple is is doing the blackberry thing now he was saying that in a different context but i think that apple is doing the blackberry thing from a UI perspective and that's very annoying a windows phone I can't say one way or the other because haven't used eight yet so Android would be my my vote for you that would be the walled garden that I would choose yeah the commenters are probably going crazy right now pleased with what do you mean windows phone and was not proven until you get the low man on to what are you talking yeah and by the way I'm still planning on buying a 920 just in case then just just get Jesse girl by instead let's go yeah all right well I think we have we have gone well over time this is the easily the longest podcast in our history but we had a lot of news to cover we had a lot we couldn't skip listener mail again I really wanted to show you guys some love there so thank you guys everyone for writing in thank you everyone for sticking with us this long Tony hi made you have a final thought before we wrap up no thank you everybody for the love and it's good to be in a q3 which is not yet over looking forward to the Monday event and then I'm looking forward to draw a conclusion 22 this year in our usual ear wrap up editorials by the way I love I love it I Tony's like I'm like do you have any final thoughts Tony it was like no here are my final thoughts I mean no comma nothing specific comma but should I say this I love it no I'm just giving you good news crap i may know in my case I'm just you know this is probably the most competitive year that I've ever seen in the platform as smartphone platform as it isn't even tablets I I feel is a great year I mean I seek companies going crazy they want to launch the product before the other and they've got so many products and I I feel this is just the boom that we were dreaming about years ago when we started with our pocket pcs and stuff and I I think that I would love to know you know because I know what I want this holiday season but I would love to know in the comments you know readers please share what are you getting this holiday season what are you thinking about because there are so many things to choose from and beside the Lumia 920 that you're going to say what other products are you out there thinking that you'll probably get please share it down below we'd love to we'd love to really have the product or couldn't be a person that's good pocket now after dark alright guys well that wraps it up for for this episode of the pocket now weekly thanks everyone for listening feel free to throw a tweet our way we are active on the twittersphere I'm trying to get Tony even more active and it's working Tony you've been a really good tweeter recently like I have a choice I mean actually Brandon had to convince me to to have a Twitter account and ferd told me let me quote even opera has one and when I heard that I said okay I have to if you want to follow tony he is that at Anton d Naja a nton dnag why hi may also tweets fairly often at high may Rivera j IM e RI v ER a know there's an underscore in there i knew it i knew i would get something wrong ji j AI ma underscore RI ve are a sorry man and my handle is not my name you can 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