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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 002 of pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discussed news and opinion from the world of mobile technology smart phones tablets phablets and everything in between I'm your host Michael Fisher contributing editor at pocket now and I'm joined by our managing editor anton d Naja and now you can hear got it right it's getting close good morning good afternoon good evening everybody and our editor-in-chief Brandon minimum gentlemen Brandon how's it going hi I know yeah very very very well it I'm hot I am it ridiculously ridiculously hot because the weather in boston is i think it's like it's like 98 degrees right now fahrenheit which is about as hot as it gets for us and the humidity is just ridiculous i realize that we on our last podcast we did not really talk about where we're each broadcasting from and I know my temperature extremes has nothing on Tony's but I once again I'm broadcasting from Boston and I'm not sure everybody knows that we broadcast from all corners of the globe so Tony you're also pretty pretty hot today where are you coming from all I'm coming from Romania oradea which is basically eight kilometers or five miles from the Hungarian border and i'm happy to announce that this week the weather is acceptable last week we had like 40 41 celsius 108 110 fahrenheit which was awful but now it's in the normal 2325 even some people are complaining that they're cold so it's it's good for me i'm glad you have some relief there you've been complaining about the heat for wigs been about time felt horrible for you what about what about down there for you Brandon I'm uh I'm out near Philadelphia in a suburb of Philadelphia and I've never had a cheese steak from Pat's or Geno's I've been there before I'm hang out this new vegetarian thing for the last like six weeks my wife my wife just everyone says that they think it's a craziest thing well I'm not saying it's a bad thing I'm just surprised Wow my wife fought you know she she decided that she wanted to be vegetarian for both health reasons and for animal you know cruelty reasons although i'm not gonna start preaching and I thought I'd give it a try and I I'm pleased with the results I lost a few pounds i am i'm surprised by sort of what the choices are when you go to a restaurant there's actually a lot to eat on the menu and vegetarian dishes are prepared usually obviously with vegetables and very fresh ingredients and so it's been um it's been good i feel i feel better after i eat a meal it's a strange feeling but I feel like kinda less Blair after like I don't want to I don't want to roll over and take a nap after i eat yeah it's not because you're not eating as much because you find it less palatable right it's not because you're not just stuffing your face with red meat and you either because that that's that's the amazing thing for me when I have a burger it's like it's so amazing that I can't stop eating it and then am I in the right podcast I mean I was sure really come on well what I mean surely you have an opinion on this Tony absolutely i'm not even laying my eyes on anything which doesn't have meat so this is my opinion so we're okay so we're covering all three corners of the of the triangle here diversity yeah are you make a good point i ub should talk about technology at some point today shouldn't we at least last two minutes okay well branded uh it'sit's that's i will look forward to hearing more about that we're gonna check in with you weekly and see how that's coming along oh nice yeah um be prepared for that please if if i pass out just get some get some filet mignon put it in a blender and feed it to me through a straw and i don't believe i've i've written that down already that sounds good that's all right we are the first thing i want to talk about is this big thing that is a first for me and it's not a first for the site but it's the personal in a while for the site i feel like we are giving away we're in the midst of a giveaway contest for the for an AT&T branded Sam galaxy s3 this is huge and awesome and I really like it we are once the podcast goes up here we should have a link to all the articles that we discuss that's something we didn't have last time so we're kind of optimizing going forward so we'll have a link to the giveaway contest it's cool it's kind of elaborate do you do you guys want to talk about how you came up with the idea for this giveaway like rather than just something really kind of annoying like well we're giving away a phone and send us an email with nothing in it like I feel like those are kind of boring contests not to you know dog our competitor and live better just I just like I like creative contest I feel like this is kind of a cool one we had some creative ideas me and Brandon but we decided that they're not feasible enough to to put into practice but to be completely honest with you as you said Michael we had some giveaways in the best and I personally gave away an LG optimus seven at the time it was launched so we had a pretty rough idea of how we want to involve our readers our audience in within the site the reading of the the content and getting them interested not only in the contest but in the entire website itself it's it's not been difficult but it's not been easy either I'm curious to see what Brendan thinks about this Tony do you remember our original idea that's exactly what I said what I said in the beginning yeah yeah it's not safe for work or even for after work so Oh awesome yeah I mean maybe yeah maybe another site another day but another podcast podcast do we have to schedule like a pocket now after dark podcast to offend if I'd show going I think we have to get rid of the clean tag on iTunes I went to a lot of trouble to get that clean tag on their toner you don't I diluting it with us okay guys right fun fun for all ages is with the podcast is yes well I'm excited to be doing I mean like I say it is my first giveaway I'm really pleased that I got to be the one doing the video on it and it'll be really fun to see next Monday who who the winner is so you know we'll we'll see how that goes in the interim though we've got to we've got some this is not going to be an all-american trick podcast at all but there are two very important American carrier stories that we just should blaze through here the biggest and the smallest American carriers are each getting their own phablet which is kind of crazy in in in two different respects verizon wireless is getting the LG optimus view which i did not handle did you get that did you handle that in Barcelona Tony yes I did hands-on with that and I also did the hands out with the yellow sea note last year at I have face so I had one on one on one with both devices at the time of their launch you had a year of giant phone exposure yes that Optimus for you I remember writing that was one of the first pieces I wrote after I came on board was about phablets or something like that and the optimist view was brand new at the time and I was like I do I can't get past how how square that thing is I mean it looks like a like a graham cracker or something or I don't know what is that square what I just go on Brennan yeah yeah it's not it's not it's not pretty and in synagogue it's got sharp edges it's got a thick bezel and it's uh it's it's almost like what Samsung might have dreamed up for a phablet like 10 years ago and then they and then you know 10 years went by and they're like oh we can make this thin and elegant and kind of beautiful but then LG was like well we're just gonna make this kind of ugly thing that was a prototype that we stole from Samsung's laughs 10 years ago your thing is that a LG had to come up with it with a tab I almost a tablet with a phablet even though I hate the word phablet because Samsung has the galaxy note and obviously they didn't want to go with a 16 by 9 aspect ratio and they went with a 4 by 3 which is at one point normal if you come to think of it because the ipad is a four by three aspect ratio and everybody says it's good for content consumption even though if you're watching videos you'll see those huge black bars at the top and bottom but it feels larger than it is i think i even mentioned that in my hands on video I handled the galaxy note and they won and then I handle the LG optimus view and they want you and it feels larger than the note even though they are comparable in size yeah it looks larger than the note I mean it looks like the note looks like a phone the note looks like a phone but that's got an injection of steroid the Optimus looks like looks like a tablet that even in its tablet form factor wasn't the right idea and then it got shrunk down to phone proportion that said considering how interested I've been in trying out new larger phone's ever since the galaxy s3 exposure that I've had I wouldn't mind trying out that Optimus for you I don't you know just because something's different doesn't mean it has to be awful I would like to try it out for a week or so it will be an interesting encounter believe me because LG as far as I'm concerned they're making good hardware even though ninety-nine percent of the listeners will not agree i think i think that they make a good job with with their hardware but yeah you have to meet it personally to handle it for a week and then you can talk about whether you like the 4 by 3 aspect ratio or not because there really is no middle road right I'm a middle way I was uh I was speaking of LG I was playing with it this is a tangent one of a hundred I was in a verizon store today and they had a little kiosk and there was an LG phone it was i think is some LG phone with a slide-out keyboard and it was a cool kiosk because when you picked up the phone the system or the kiosk knew that you did that and start playing a video specific to that phone yeah and the video was just ridiculous I mean maybe maybe for someone who doesn't you know look at phones all day but let me tell you about some of the things it was saying it said updated you I with the latest Android 2.3 and then and then it says upgraded process Oh echo mmm little like oh that's all right no going and then it said upgraded processor and I looked down at the information card and it says 800 megahertz and I started to cry and I and I said excuse me sir this is out of date and uh not factual and I would like to talk to your owner person did six guys come out in suits and throw you through a window no now they there was a there was only one guy and and there was a big line so I just you know went on my way yeah Oh God isn't that funny the retail store is a strange strike zone where facts get get twisted around until there's something else entirely and when things are just out of date and and you know it used to be that in the retail environment that was okay because things didn't change so fast but you know two point three point five is you know two generations old now so yeah I want to spend like a whole I want to do a whole field trip to retail stores again for some reason I feel like there's like carriers are going to figure out a better way to do the retail store at some point because like everyone sort of does it the same now with variations on a theme of these phones on these big clunky tethers and I feel like there's such a better way to do it didn't Helio do something crazy with retail stores didn't they have like cow chips or something or am I just making that up you will they only had like three phones which was great for them yeah and then they had yet they made a funky environment because there is there really targeting the teenagers and so the couches and probably soft drinks or whatever kids these days drink you know for me it's just whiskey all day but um oh what a coincidence well it before we get too far off on that while we're talking about carriers the end phablets the galaxy note is coming to t-mobile USA really I just want to laugh a little bit I mean it'sit's I I do like seeing t-mobile USA try and I really like a lot of stuff they do I feel like their customer service is really excellent but they're about to get the Galaxy Note like like on the eve of the launch of the galaxy note 2 and it's like why bother at this point I wonder let me let me defend t-mobile please please so if t-mobile had a press release today and said we're we're gonna have a iphone 4s this week no one would be like oh geez you know the iphone 5s coming out you guys are horrible because everyone wants the iphone or not everyone a lot of people want dot the iphone and you know the fact that they're bringing out the note which is uh still very popular and only you know a small fraction of the smartphone using population has it there's still a lot of opportunity to get it and and don't forget that you know the note 2 is going to be announced next month but that it's probably not coming out into september-october and then it's not coming out in the u.s. until probably if it's going to be as breakthrough as it needs to be that's probably not going to be available in the u.s. until early next year so there's six months probably the t-mobile we'll still have still be relevant with it with a note what if what if what if Samsung will pull the same trick as they did with the samsung galaxy s3 and it will be available in the states in September and that means that our good folks our friends on t-mobile will get the yellows you know to next year because they just got the Galaxy Note one how do you think t-mobile intentionally like delay it well do they have any reason not to get the galaxy note on time I mean a TNT had it with the same Snapdragon processor what was the reason for tmobile not to get it mobile uses different bands though yeah but still the processor supports those bands and it's not a problem a processor that the Galaxy Note uses supports AWS yeah it's a Snapdragon processor it's working on a tnt and it should work on tmobile too so I think even if it didn't support those those AWS network frequencies I think if t-mobile would have pushed Samsung a little bit they could have had the phone or the phablet and summer and even then it would have been late yeah well i mean i don't know i don't think t-mobile has necessarily has a lot of clout you know i mean they're the smallest US carrier they just the people were interested because they were going to get a gobbled up by AT&T and then I don't know I like t-mobile I like aspects of t mobile but it's quick question one of my usual quick questions the samsung galaxy s3 is a four point eight incher the samsung galaxy note is a 5.3 share the difference is really small would you grab the latest galaxy s3 on t-mobile or would you go would you grab a one-year-old galaxy note I I mean I'd go for the galaxy s3 myself just because it's I prefer so much more about it what about you Brandon if I had larger hands and we talked about this in the last podcast how I can't use a fabless messages month um i would probably go with the galaxy note um the Euro note really you know it's got its got a fast processor the screen is higher resolution than the than the screen on the galaxy s3 and there are things you can do with the note that you come out yeah i think the resolution is the same no it's uh it's slightly it's a s3 is 1280 by 720 and then the note is 1280 x 800 so 80 more pixels i but but but most importantly you can do things with the note you can't do with the galaxy s3 you can change the pixel density this is a little you know enthusiasts trick so that everything appears smaller but you can literally because the screen is so big you can fill the home screen up if you're running at the right DPI force DPI you can fill up with a ton of widgets and and and it's and they don't become microscopic they're actually pretty big so you can have your email which in your calendar and your favorite shortcuts all in one screen I don't know who would want to do this but in case you did and and not only that but the you know galaxy the galaxy note is a better you know mini theatre to watch videos even though the galaxy s3 is very good so are there are some advantages hmm you know I've just been giving more and more thought to the note in the note family and ever since i wrote the editorial about you know tablets and we talked about this last week and you know i would i would get one I mean I would get a note too I would try out a note to is my daily driver for for a month you know I don't know what the note 2 is going to be but I would never have considered that before handling the galaxy s3 and to a limited extent the Galaxy Nexus just because it's display sizes are so ridiculous now i'll make sure to photograph the look on your face one samsung announces the notes you in Berlin mm-hmm please do I look forward to seeing my reaction anyway so moving on way to a slightly bigger screen this is not terribly huge news but Brandon your your Nexus 7 is a hot ticket item there retailers are burning through stocks of them of I I haven't got my friend Chris just got his pre order here in Boston delivered today so he's enjoying the unboxing did you guys ever take a macro economics class I'm no no I finished law school for acting Brendan all right so no economics there and tell you at the law school so you probably you've probably seen the line craft that says when a price goes down demand goes up so of Cannes if I we go well kk we had it smells name well this doesn't matter but let's pretend that Apple priced how let me let me start here how could Apple sell I don't know how many ipads they've sold all right it's a lot how could they sell a hundred million iPads they could just bring up that just bring up the new iPad that's it yeah yeah that's funny just bring out the new know they put the if they price if they keep going down in price eventually they just sell almost an infinite amount and that's what's happening with the nexus 7 it's just it's so affordable at 199 comparatively that you know it's dodds a hot ticket item and it's okay it's it's affordable but also it's coming from a major brand like Google which is not like if it were like in a sous backed thing where it's like hey this runs Android and by the way we're a sous like that wouldn't work yeah because it's a Google Nexus brand here's an economy-related question to you Brandon from what I've understood google is selling the nexus 7 at a minimal close to zero profit margin how long do you think they can keep up with that how long until the price of the nexus 7 will go up because at one point google or issues will say okay enough of this I need to make at least one dollar out of the entire deal ah never because Google is obviously trying to benefit from the all the money they make from google play which is a lot you know they sell all kinds of content and they make money from apps so Google Google will just be collecting checks and asus is probably being paid close to at cost if not slightly below and in exchange they their brand is plastered on probably the second hottest tablet of 2012 and maybe one of the hottest a blitz of 2013 so this isn't this what we call a thumping policy or what caused it a dumping and I'm sure if it translates correctly into English it translates under something hilarious and English oh yeah well I'll rephrase that for the next podcast but make sure to include this one because it's an interesting topic ok I'll take a note on everything you have to just discuss a dumping policy I am I need never mind I Tony I this is one of the things that I've wanted to make sure that we mentioned at the top of the podcast because it's so important to me that everyone understands how much joy I get on a daily basis being able to talk to like you in Romania hi May in well gotta tell me I'm getting wonderous right yes oh good you know it's just not like every day I get to have like a different cultural experience like that like you one of these podcasts I'm gonna have you tell us about the the parking situation out in front of your building that one more okay i'll snap some pictures please do alright well we'll leave that as a teaser for next time the the final android topic that i have unless unless you guys have another one after this is a is something that i've noted in in the log for the podcast today as simply as this is ridiculous android 4.1 jelly bean has been ported to the HTC hd2 that's that's nuts this phone was what will never die this phone will run every platform that's ever going to be released i mean do you guys own one of these like are you doing this just for fun or what yeah i have one and is probably collecting dust somewhere but it's in its original box and i'm actually that's gonna be a collector's item yeah i'm actually glad you brought this up because now with the giveaway i might think of giving it away who knows maybe I'll do that I think giving away the hd2 yeah which is as new and it will come from me who knows I'll think about it you could sign it but I piles courage this green with my signature that'll be perfect Brandon what about you did yeah I have an hd2 um you know one oh well okay me up mine sort of brick da send it to maybe if you don't forget um the hd2 is interesting and because as you said it runs I mean I'm looking at the XDA sub-forums and it's got windows mobile 6.5 windows phone 7 up and all you know all versions but you know seven point eight and eight it's got androids got you bunt to it's got me go and then the questions like why the hd2 why not um why can't the desire HD do this or why can't I can't the nexus s run you bunt to and miko and windows phone 7 well the answer for the at least what I'm trying to come up with is that because so many people bought the hd2 and it became almost a development platform in and of itself because it for the first time brought capacitive displays to windows mobile and I think it came out before Android started shipping and so it was either trying to think back well i know i think android was out but it was definitely the first 4.3 inch display i ever saw in public i think was the biggest display for a minute and biggest display for a minute and you know the it's it's built with the respectable snapdragon 1 gigahertz MSM i don't remember the rest of the numbers and so it's just it's very it's just such a good it's such a good platform so i think that if you know any other device was as as prevalent as the hd2 i think it could enjoy the strange operating systems III really want to see me go on this thing but there's this looks like it's stalled a development for the head I want to see somebody run webos on the thing I mean I feel like like we're all talking about running webos on the Galaxy Nexus once open webOS was announced but i would feel like the hd2 could handle it it looks like t-mobile's release date for that phone was March 24th of 2010 so that was a while back interesting yeah but it's an amazing device it early HTC did the undoable which was bring capacitive touch to windows mobile and they did it before windows mobile 6.5 point 3 came along before officially supported so they had to like from the ground up create create that experience so that was that was very respectable yeah even though if you want to go back to the keyboard on the HTC hd2 now and type a short text message or a short email message you'd be sweating really is the keyboard all the responsiveness can be tweaked but the out-of-the-box experience was awful I mean you you tapped on the Q key and it registered sometimes a tea or a you so it had some glitches it was good it was good but out of the box the experience wasn't as good which is normal because HTC was a pioneer with this and of course the developing community helped a lot by going with all sorts of tweaks and hacks for calibration of the keyboard and the entire touch screen itself but I think as a first it was a good effort yeah not only that but it was made of glass and metal and soft touch plastic it had a thin bezel it uh you know as we point out how to have a large screen and it was thin like real thing I mean it was like it was a spectacle really yeah I still remember the first time I laid my eyes on one it was on the train and I just couldn't believe the size of that display you started dumping I did it started to dumping operation oh thats related to totally something different here in Europe but or at least in my head oh man well speaking of a windows phone though the only news this week unless I missed something really critical guys save me if I did is that the the Lumia 900 price is down to two 4999 which indicates that we're getting close to the not really the end of its popularity but certainly the buzz has passed after the buzz episode one was based on the the Nokia Lumia 900 we do some speculation in the article there what do you guys think that says about the state of like I mean this combined with the story we did about a week ago about nokia reducing its component orders would seem to indicate that the 900 is kind of reaching the end of its well actually there's been a news post today and according to that the shrinking of the production for the Lumia 900 was due because of the fact that Nokia switched part of its production to a new factory in Argentina if Eric oh well and the first Lumia 900 dziak came out from that production line recently today yesterday or something like that so it doesn't have anything to do with with the Lumia 900 dying I still think it's one of the best films if not the best windows phone at the moment in the States but I think personally I think that this is how to make it sound normal just by talking of course it's a last push nokia and microsoft are trying to push Windows Phone and the current products for the summer because everybody knows that Windows Phone 7.8 and Windows Phone 8 will come out summer in q3 q4 and they might as well sell as much as they can right now to whomever buys them but aren't the Dantas stakes super high now I mean we've been talking about nokia being in this really big vat of hot water and you know that they were already not making almost any money if i recall right on the on the Lumia 900 at $99 we're just like I mean they're slashing the price in half it's like it is this is this like a part of betting on the future so hard you know on future adoption of windows phone 8 devices that they're going to manufacture or what nah yes policy was always and if I recoil attended a couple of Stephen Elop ski notes was to get smartphones in the hands of as many people as possible whether we're talking about emerging markets or we are talking about established markets like the US or Europe I think they're continuing on that same trend to get nakia products and Windows Phone Microsoft products in as many hands as they can so they can grow their user base and to have something established by the time windows phone 8 hits regardless if there will be an official upgrade or not sure but Nokia doesn't make any money like you know with with the more people having when phone handsets right i mean they don't get any they don't get any profit from the the custom apps they're building or anything like that like their money comes still comes from hardware doesn't it yes but opposed to Google who's making money out of something else nokia has first to re-establish itself as a brand at least on the US market where it disappeared a long time ago so they have to regain that brand recognition which they had they have to have nakia people talking about nokia as a brand on the street wherever you go so they have to get it back into the users attention and is that happening this is a question to both Brandon and you Tony I think grabbing where you or Brandon is more entitled to answer that because he knows a lot about the u.s. the market about the u.s. yes I was going to ask you about about Romania Tony but I want to do it want to hear by the US first yeah I've never I've never owned a nokia phone but i'm starting to feel the result of the nokia push in the u.s. because you see it you see the 900 in movies that nokia brand is starting to be kind of cool and and you know the the fact that they're dropping the price i think means that the blue 900 is going to step aside soon it's going to go even further down in price and then the the new Lumia is going to come out in this in this holiday season it's going to be priced at 199 again and then and then people are going to be like oh do I really need this high res screen is dual core cpu here's a 900 it's 30 bucks it looks just like it and you know I'm gonna get that and then they're nokia customers for life so is that I mean do you see them on the streets though like me do you see nokia nokia devices out there I think I have one friend who has a Lumia 900 in Boston here mr. yeah it's really rare and it's yeah I mean that's the thing this is what worries me because we've had this massive push and it's been very visible in eighteen t is like here's a whole corner of the store and here's here's window units and here's everything we're putting all of our commercials in whatever and i still like most of my friends have it is you know this is anecdotal I'm you know it's not really worth anything most my friends have iphones most of my friends of android phones you know it's like yeah but don't know what the big picture I'm sorry Brandon going I was just going to say that the quote have I seen it on the street and quote test isn't very for some reason it doesn't really hold water because think about this how many Galaxy Nexus next side you see on your daily life if I go out I see about see about one a day what a day okay uh and that's one of the most popular phones um ever uh what a nexus yeah it won't you say that i don't know i think that i think the sales data on the nexus is unclear but for the sake of argument go ahead i don't to interrupt you you think yeah for some reason i guess maybe because there are just so many devices trying to gauge the popularity of a phone and I've tried this x by c by trying to determine if you if you see it in your everyday life his is problematic at best yeah yeah and the up the only phone that you see everywhere is of course the iphone and every team is that almost every human on the planet has an iphone it's very strange like in the subway iphone iphone iphone where's the galaxy nexus where's the Lumia 900 well certainly you know millions of people have purchased these but you don't see them it's mm-hmm what's the story over there in Navia it's different if you recall the nut and the Nokia Lumia 800 and 7 10 launch announcement it was or it should have been available initially in five countries in Europe I think Germany Italy France UK switch went something like that maybe I'm getting some some of these wrong yeah we got actually here in Romania we got the Lumia 800 but at the same time around you guys got it in the in the States through the microsoft store so we got a pretty late you scan still buy a Lumia 800 or Lumia 710 we have a couple of e Taylor's here who are having those phones on their offer but they're not on stock so you have to wait one or two weeks for for them to deliver them to you so it's it's kind of strange Romania is a country which up until recently had a nokia factory one of the largest in europe which was of course closed a couple of months ago you to economic situations but that's not the topic the topic is that one would expect to have nokia lumia phones throughout the entire european community around the same time and that's not the case hmm it seems like they've still got their work cut out for them and I agree with you Brandon that anecdotal evidence is treated with sort of disdain for a very good reason it's just it's just interesting to to see because you expect something like a massive push like this like for like what we've seen for the Lumia 900 to have had some kind of visible concrete results and it's it's funny when that is not the case but then again I am surrounded by people who do not care about technology which is why I am happy to be on the podcast with you guys who do care about it oh yeah yeah you know and with our listeners thank you for listening the windows phone is now I want there to be more news about it but there is none so I want to talk about iOS for a second I do not have the iOS 6 beta 3 but it is coming out it is trickling out to developers I think I may have said that some of the improvements have been interesting I don't think there's much interesting in there i think it's just you know some some app fixes and things like that i still have to get my ipad to like me again by the way I don't know if I mentioned this last week but I should mention it now anyone who is running a beta or a regular version of iOS on their iPad or iPhone do not do not change your debit card information or your credit card information in itunes and then try and do a software update because it will mess up your entire life my ipad for about a week because i haven't had the time to fix it has been stuck in a continuous loop of trying to update its apps and not being able to so don't change your iTunes billing information and in related news don't lose your credit card when you are out on the town because that's inconvenient all the way around that goes for you two gentlemen nice thanks no problem I'm happy to provide life advice for you but even more exciting new details on the next iPhone has production started already we've got a bunch of leaks of these these frames it seems pretty clear at this point that this new design is a lock this kind of stretched iphone 4 design I have to be honest with you I'm bored out of my mind by it who's excited about it please talk about it well okay so you took here into your lungs so now speak okay uh well so well I I'm sort of envisioning the new iphone and you know I think they're gonna have some very interesting hardware breakthroughs maybe with that I left because of that the thinner screen or could be a higher yet resolution screen or could be a quad-core processor I'm thinking about this I you know of course I'm gonna get the new iphone it's kind of my job and I you know I even if it wasn't not get the new iphone cuz i love this stuff but i'm thinking about iOS 6 and just right now I had to go to apple.com / iOS 6 to remember what the headline features of iOS 6 were and and except for maps new maps and except for shared photo streams using the new iphone it's going to be a lot like using the iphone 4s with slightly different hardware hopefully it's dramatically different hardware but you know I'm more so fantasizing about getting cyanogenmod 10 or just straight jelly bean on my galaxy s3 and using that for a while then I am excited about getting the new iphone with iOS 6 it's it you know yeah just that kind of a sad realization there and you know Tony go yeah this is maybe just me wishful thinking but I have to contradict here for a second Brandon because imagine this Apple will have a keynote with the iphone 5 or whatever its name will be do you imagine Tim Cook on stage talking only five minutes about the iphone no I think that there are many more or at least I believe or I I'd like to believe that there are many more features to ios6 than what we've seen and they are holding some of them back for the iphone launch because it's just normal to show off new hardware with some new groundbreaking amazing something you've never seen before and blah blah blah Apple marketing talk features as I said it happened before the it's it should be just normal for them to do that because presenting a new product takes five to ten minutes I mean this is the phone this is how thick it is this is what it does blah blah blah it's got NFC it's gotta else use got quad core full stop you have to show something off right no there's also apple right there like you know yeah we've put a new gasket under the volume keys that makes it feel like you're squeezing a sponge in your sack not making this madness that's something like the never did before yeah but that's an interesting notion it's been done in in history where company releases a new product and with it new software features that we didn't tell you about take that take that but I don't think Apple has ever done that I'm thinking back to the four SQ note back to the for keynote was there ever a surprise software announcement the 4s game with Siri and if you look at all yes the macbooks and the iPad everything came with something software related and if the WWDC told us everything about iOS 6 I think that then we'll have the iphone and the ipad whether it will be the ipad for the ipad mini it's as far as I'm concerned impossible to have only the iphone on the entire keynote yeah i agree i think they're gonna they've definitely saved some stuff from out from our sex i remember the the feature cloud at the end of the iOS 6 presentation and like there were articles out there just picking apart even what was listed in that like feature cloud of all the stuff they didn't get around to talking about so there's other stuff that there's plenty of stuff that they can focus on my beef with it is that it's the same damn you I I you know even if I weren't we think it is I mean it that's what that's what it is in the betas you know the betas yeah but what about if they are holding something back I don't know something like widget I'm just saying stuff right you know what I wish I wish they were I I wish that I could believe that that kind of that kind of big shift was was in store for us I mean if it is I will I don't know what I'll do I will eat my hat you know i mean it's it's just it seems so they seem so timid about changing this grid of icons based you I mentality even though it's been five years you know I look at an ipad today or an iphone today the UI looks exactly the same as it did in 2007 with the exception of a custom wallpaper and some more icons and folders you know that's not limbal what there's that the same I don't understand there's that saying you guys say in the in the States and in the UK if something ain't broke don't fix it and so far with selling millions I know I know you know I think there should be a saying that's like that says well it's broken everyone doesn't know it you know like mean I don't know I think that yeah this is still a problem for we tech nerds and a subset of tech nerds to that's not it's not all of us I mean it's just the UI people and the people who use this stuff all the time I guess but yeah I don't know regular users ever complain about the grid of icons I think they're fond of it I mean they like it I like it and if you come to think of it android is the same okay bring on the hate mail but it's a matter if it's a kawai the launcher it's the same just fire up your application drawer and you'll see the same list of icons right but the application drawer isn't the core of the experience yeah but where you go to get your applications you can do whatever you want with your home screen yeah you have widgets in android which is something different if iOS brings iOS 6 will bring widgets it will be on par with android and again bring on a hate mail I found am I found I'm always looking for useful widgets because although I love to doubt the benefits of Android is being able to put glanceable widgets on your home screen they never quite seemed to work for me by the time I flipped to the screen on the left the widget hasn't updated I'm like well this is pointless delete and then the news app on the right home screen uh you know also isn't updated or it's it's it's white for like a second as it refreshes well this is useless so I flick it off and I came across a new widget add that I'm not going to tell you the name of yet because I'm gonna write about it make a video about on pocket now and and it's uh it's actually reported on another site so maybe if you'll know what it is but what it lets you do I love this it lets you crop a part of a website so think about your usage habits for example I visit certain websites on a regular basis like the verge and pocket now and android central and what I do is I look at the top two stories and I see if there's a new one because I'm kind of obsessed with new stuff and and and my my typical workflow is that I've got a folder on my android phone with all my favorites so I hit the favorite I look at the website I go back to the home screen I hit the next favorite nike I do that this this widget app lets you crop out the top part of the website or the whole web web web site it'll put a thumbnail which is resizable either as a 1 by 1 or 1 by 4 or 4 by 4 on your home screen and it will update it it'll go out and pull the website and refresh the thumbnail at intervals that use you you specify so imagine this there's four there are four websites that you visit on a regular basis you put four little thumbnails on one home screen to the right of your main home screen and you know that it's been updated recently it's glance and go I think it's I think it's going to make the world a peaceful place on quilts it sounds a lot like the Flipboard widget except with a lot more granular control over what you have displayed I mean that sounds very very useful quick question again how many home screens do you guys have yeah I have right now I was just about to talk about the what I'm running here like I'm I've got three home screens right now that's all I ever really want what about what you run it well what's on your home screens uh well that I was going to do since we were talking about widgets i'm using the motorola atrix HD right now and i've got three widgets that I use all the time I always swipe to the left to get my full screen calendar I have an entire home screen just devoted to the calendar widget which is important to me because I do a lot of stuff and I always forget what I have to do and on my primary home screen actually to the right is power control and in Evernote widget but in the in the center here motor oil has really done something kind of interesting with their bubbles widget because I've got three bubbles that I can kind of swype vertically and flip over and you know one of them displays the time but if I flip it over it's like oh this is last text message and that's interesting and then if I flip over the weather bubble I've got weather for different cities if I flip over the battery one I got a settings shortcut and a and data meter so you know I've I love that kind of expandability that's what I'm running right now and if Motorola's really got that right there I want to use that I'm different phones because i'm addicted to it after a day so I mean so you're using some widgets that are kind of system based so they're there they're already updated by the time you flip over right exactly yeah they run very well because they're not those third-party widgets that often have those problems you described yes yeah yeah interesting I am I go back and forth and I still have yet to come across the perfect home screen configuration and I'm messing with a bunch of different plugins that I've found but usually I have one home screen with you know four or five folders along the bottom and what I what I really like doing quick tip is an Android you know in Android you can have a direct dial shortcuts oh it's one touch it has a little picture of the person it's really pretty and so what I do is in the bottom left corner of my screen I make a folder with all of its and there's a direct direct dials to my wife my friend and who whatever else and then the phone icon so like it's so quick and easy for me to call someone that you know I want to reach um so my home screen tends to be very simple very minimal I like I like really nice wallpaper so I kind of maximize the amount of space i get to see what the wallpaper yeah i think i stole my wallpaper idea from you that the beautiful vortex are beautiful nebula or whatever it's called yeah i saw i saw your running out on the yeah yeah galaxy s3 thank you for that thank you for the inspiration yeah i would use those call widgets to because i was setting up the atrix here last night and I was like oh yeah it would be great to have those faces that I could tap on to call but I never call anyone so like I just always text and so those widgets that would otherwise be very very useful or like oh well that's as useless to me as like the Google Play widget that lets you tab through apps for some reason the ultimate you I that I found is that that shot that frog UX thing from sharp or what was it called frog or yeah frog Rick it's called feel you x is this right am I yeah is this right I'm up let's see looking up feel you x on google and i'm getting a really interesting series of results Jesus hmm backspace yeah this isn't this isn't right I'm Adam yeah there's a Vimeo or a video on it the sharp UX on a on android phone it's got three columns right oh yeah it's beautiful yeah and and and what's all you know what I would love to be able to have one of my home screens be windows phone 7 like a vertically scrollable because that's a very very natural thing to do is to scroll up and down and then um the home screens on the right and the left are just static but can i can i call you out for a second okay I'm oh yeah i'm going to i'm fascinated in this and i'm not doing it to be cruel i'm actually fascinated because we talked about the Android multi tasking interface and so many of the comments on the piece that i wrote about the Android multi tasking interface being a ripoff of webos is that the vertical scrolling is not as useful as just a box of six recently used apps but i agree with you i think that vertical scrolling is a very intuitive thing when it's presented usefully and i think windows phone does that yeah it's about minimal finger travel windows phone does it very well oh my gosh guess what I found out but you're not gonna believe this alright everyone sit down um mind is blown already the iphone 5 no yes i have the iphone 5 and no um so i was using a I don't I've I already told the story should really kill me um I I was using a a friend's galaxy note and he had a logitech keyboard right up bluetooth keyboard and interestingly if you press alt tab you get a task switcher and you know kind of like windows or OS 10 right you guys ever use alt tab yeah as I used this as a jumping-off point for that article I was talking about yes totally oh yes yes um so the interesting thing is that the alt tab task switcher is the legacy gingerbread multitask UI and that could only mean one thing which is that the gingerbread legacy multitask UI is in Ice Cream Sandwich and as I found out later in jellybean after doing some searching I found that through a very complicated process you can actually bring back the gingerbread tassels switcher and forget this ice cream sandwich vertically scrolling thing that fades in and out too much you can actually bring it back and like I spent an hour trying to figure out how to do it there's a thread on XDA and you know I need to do a lot more research because you have to like extract this thing called the framework from your phone you've gotta edit it and sign it and put it back on your phone without destroying everything but it's it's possible to bring back the legacy gingerbread you all along it was in there okay I'm gonna I'm gonna completely kill the geek excitement and I'm going to bring up the lame stuff I what I did recently is in the lane category I actually connected my bluetooth mouse to my HTC One X and i used i use the HTC One X laying back in my in my chair here at the office using it with the mouse and after five minutes I said okay this is completely useless why would anyone introduced the ability to use an android phone and any phone really with a pointing device yeah following the footsteps of rim you know with that that scrollable mouse pointer in the browser which at one point in 2006 was pretty cool yeah that's cool but going through widgets and home screens with your mouse yeah come on I he have tips to you for doing it though I mean that's that's I think you may win the geek of the day award I mean Brandon had it until you brought that up because I that I got to be honest to the Brennan when you told me on the phone a couple days ago about that very same thing I was like man I that sounds to me like like there's been this car this like abandoned car in front of your house for for like two years and you just like man that thing really bruise really ugly and finally gets towed away and then you spend like a week and a half like trying to find it so you can bring it back and put it in front of your house I gah i hate the gingerbread test critter I know that it makes more sense i know it's more efficient but even though i think the ribbon is a ripoff i still prefer it to that box of icons check this out okay the cook the cool thing about the gingerbread UI is that it's fast it's simple and you can see 8 apps on the screen at one time I don't have my phone nearby but I think an Ice Cream Sandwich gingerbread not gingerbread Ice Cream Sandwich jelly bean it's only like four right so so sometimes you get into this pattern of scrolling and trying to find your app the ultimate and i know this is possible because android can do anything would be to first of all if if you're using like a galaxy s3 where you have to tap and hold the home button to get the multitask you I chain so annoying change that to a double tap and then bring up the ginger bread test switcher but bring it all the way to the bottom of the screen dare I say like the iphone so that it's really close to your thumb and your like DoubleTap boom next step double tap boom next step and you are a monster multitasker that is probably the best case scenario and I know it's possible as long as it's responsive you know it has to be responsive and it has to be instant and you know ever we have to we have to move on I have a bit of a hard stop today so I we have is this the new iphone possibly we have iphone hardware speculation left and right we'll we'll kind of have to see how that goes I do want to cover before we leave iOS though this ipad mini it guys is it inevitable Tony you can go first and see you haven't talked in a minute like is is that at seven going to happen is it inevitable I touched upon this in our last at so I think that the chances are very slim and that's even because Apple is in the business with premium hardware I'm not saying that it's impossible probably they will come up with with a 7-inch tablet in order to capture a part of the market which is now dominated by Google by Samsung and by amazon but as i said in my previous episode in our previous episode will i buy one yes will I need one no reddit um yeah yeah I think what's changed what I said last time was that the the the the current iPad is far too thick and far too heavy to be comfortable isn't you know in the in bed and whatnot that what's changed is that the new rumor is that the ipad mini will be as thin as an ipod touch and wow that would just be incredible that would be just finger looking good um i just i simply realized that I hate thin hardware but but we'll get to that later on yeah you hate Santa hardware yeah i just realized that when i got the puter view wait away but we'll talk about it later I've got an atrix HD here for you how thick at its thinnest it's eight point six millimeters but it oh no bring out of 40 millimeters man well that is watch out to a thicker measurement up top though it's yeah oh you could definitely this is definitely a theft deterrent you could definitely take down a criminal by throwing this at his face I want to yeah i think the ipad 7 is coming if it's as thin as an ipad ipod touch i would i would buy it instantly that's kind of my one points about the nexus 7 i really don't like is the thickness I'm you know what it you know what Apple could really pull off bicep I do let me scratch everything I'm too excited now you know you know what would be huge and awesome for Apple to do with the ipad 7 to do something which has not been done yet or maybe some of them do it but but not everybody bring on the smaller ipad but full foam functionality on it not by a bluetooth not bias peak by a speakerphone just just kill the need for having two devices you wait you you want a 7-inch phone yes no listen Michael right don't yet I I don't want to carry my iPhone and my iPhone I understand I understand I wrote I wrote a piece on it I I agree completely but but a 7-inch phone like you want to hold a semanas phone up to your head why not why not come on it's if okay okay no no Menlo no please please continue this is fascinating you guys don't get it I hate carrying two phones I've always carry two phones because one is my preferred platform the other one is my preferred camera I always carry a phone and a tablet if I go outside because i'm tethering from one to the other or because i need stuff but with a smaller tablet i will no longer need to bring my phone with me if the tablet will allow me to receive phone calls and i'm not talking about phone calls by my bluetooth headset I'm not talking about phone calls by a speakerphone so that the entire tram bus and everybody the taxi driver listens into what I talking sure sure water but what about something like the PadFone wood with like a bluetooth stylus or something like that like I mean something that integrates nicely sure yeah just just bring on some full phone functionality and I think that would be great I guess it's just a question of like you would have to never go someplace that would require you to put the thing down because you can't fit a 7-inch and your pocket terribly well I mean not everyone is you know you're you're broke you know you're a tall guy right so you could probably fit a 7-inch tablet in your pockets i mean i don't think i could under all circumstances what happens when you go to the the water park or something like that i don't know what are the kids do these days he Romania nothing they don't carry that stuff like that kids these days all they do is text and sext and Facebook and water rides and on the wilder facebook and on the myspace yeah anyway well that's fascinating tongue if i come across a 7-inch phone i will i will get it to you somehow it looked strangely at the samsung galaxy note even i had a picture with the galaxy note at my ear but yeah why not I didn't mean I don't care what people say if they laugh at me when I'm using the iPad as a camera which I never do I don't care if I'm putting a 7-inch phone to my ear and talk to somebody I don't care what I'm what I care about is that I need to work I need to be good at my work and I need to be able to multitask and I need to be able to deliver what I have on my desk list for that day and if that needs a phone functionality on Sabbath give it to me let me be happy I understand you know I understand i think i just i would need something more portable like i was able to go through life for four months with the veer as my daily driver you know that is a 2.8 inch screen you know and it's not just because i'm a webos guy it's because i really liked it i found that i liked carrying around this phone that sort of disappeared into my pockets and it wasn't taking up this big slab of space somewhere on my body you know i mean there's something to be said for extreme portability as well so i don't know i feel like as long as you can swap your sim in different circumstances i could maybe carry maybe maybe carry a 7-inch phone yeah but don't forget the you can use the iphone with the headphones which are supplied you could use the ipad at the same way if it had phone functionality sure well that's true yeah but you made a big point or saying like you didn't want a headset right but anyway but i want phone functionality on a tablet so that i don't me yeah i don't need another phone with me right hey the Galaxy Tab 7.7 actually has an ear piece at the top near the prox sensor and it's capable with the right software making phone calls and I I was looking at it the other day and like can I should I try to do this should I try to use this it's the Wi-Fi version so i need to get a 3g version but should I try to do too that's too much a 2 now it's too it's too much about the answer is yes now we need to have a whole video of Brendan minimum walking around in Philadelphia talking on the phone talking on the Galaxy Tab 7.7 it fits in my pocket I mean it looks really weird like there's something wrong with me but the you know usually people think something's wrong with me i guess so i guess i want to be different if okay well that'll have to be a weekend video or something I would love I would I would pay you to see that i would love to see that anyway before we go I we have we're into the miscellaneous section will not take very long I touched on this heavily and our today's article about whether a new smartphone platform can ever survive in today's market Mego is amazingly coming back the the guys who were behind me go I have many of them have sort of split off from Nokia and have partnered and under the brand name I don't know how to pronounce this does anybody know how to pronounce this Julius yo jolla you if it's finish then it's yola of a Yolo right yeah if it's because it's finished right then in Ceola yeah then it's got to be Yolo and like I mean they're serious about this they've got a whole team they've got a they don't have a website yet because it's a brand spanking new but they have a LinkedIn account they've got a Twitter account and they've announced a distribution deal with Chinese distributor somebody save me on this one I don't know what the Chinese distributors namath but it to you know that this distributor is like 2200 retail outlets and leather goods huge its massive and they're going to build to at least to me go based phones this year one of which will be for the common person one of which will be for the enthusiast you know that's amazing and they're talking about maybe building incompatibility with html5 based Tizen apps this is just huge I love seeing it when first of all when a new platform comes and kind of tries to shake things up a little bit I love the underdog and i really love when a bunch of people who are part of a company that's going one direction say no we like the way we were going before we build something amazing in me go actually the quote is nokia created something wonderful the world's best smartphone product it deserves to be continued and we will do that together with all the bright and gifted people contributing to the meego success story that's cool man I mean these guys have passion they're going to go do it I think it's great what do you guys think when I reviewed the nokia n9 but sorry Brandon were you seeing something i I just I was just gonna say it's kind of cool but I you know I don't know much about me go I really don't have an opinion on the matter yeah I use that phone the nokia n9 and of course it's far from being the planets best smartphone OS it's a new OS and it's it brings a fresh look I mean the concept of those panels you had basically three panels if i recall well it was back in the day one for swiping mm sorry one for swiping left to bring up a task manager one is your main home screen and the third one is the list of your applications and you can access them whenever you are wherever you are in whichever application just swipe from the left or from the right and you can access those or even from the top to lock the screen so it's a great concept the problem as always with new platforms is lack of developer support and lack of applications for the end user so it all depends and it's like a chicken and egg story you cannot have users if you don't have applications and you can't have applications if you don't have a user base so it's it's a catch 22 23 24 if they can figure out how to how to get android apps running on on me go do you know if they can make a sizable enough story i'm not sure i'm not sure google will agree to that but if it will at all if it could happen i mean look it's happening on the playbook to a limited extent you know i would go as far as saying that back in the day if nakia wouldn't have ditched me go or if somebody would have picked up me go where nakia left it off it would be around the same as windows phone right now because they both started basically from scratch yes yeah I I'm looking forward to seeing what what exactly happens with this this is obviously brand brand new news this is there's not a lot to talk about yet but I'm going to keep my eye on on this and I might snap up one of those one of those phones that they that that they release going forward we'll have to see I want to talk tell me about your crazy camera shoot out very briefly what was it like to shoot with them Tony posted an article comparing the cameras on what the HTC One X the iphone 4s the PureView 808 and the yellow CS freaking galaxy s3 and it's awesome it's if you haven't read it listeners you should go out and check it out on our site it's really really an in-depth comparison I've loved it because I love shooting sort of amateurish photos with my cell phone camera what was it like to shoot with four phones out in public I mean it was interesting and I and I realized that there is a way of shooting with several phones at one time everybody in the business is using phones either I don't know on a board or holding one phone in their hand and the other one in the other hand but the the real thing is that all the phones which you are using for your test recording have to see I have to have the same perspective so that the same lighting conditions apply the same sound conditions apply and I realized how to do that and it was tricky to do with three it was close to impossible to do it before but I somehow managed to pull it off you must have been a sight to see yes yes indeed and people look strangely towards me especially when I was talking to myself well basically I was recording but they would like look at that guy with four white phones it's all phones were white all white yeah and and I was talking but it came out pretty good despite in the comments it would have been so cool if he managed to take a picture of yourself like with a thoughtful look on your face as you're holding these phones together from like across the field kind of you know that would be so cool you know what Brandon I started off with a three-way comparison i did a four-way comparison the next time i'm doing a five-way comparison i'm gonna have somebody shoot a picture of me with the five phones in my hand you better if you do in Berlin I'll take the picture okie dokie you're gonna be like Gillette with razor blades you're just going to keep adding more the the last point I want to make before our sort of wrap up here is that as a result of Tony's crazy camera shoot out we we had some commenters who were kind of questioning the validity of the of the photos and saying you know essentially that you guys cropped you know one of these to make to make another phone look better and you know it was one of those kind of fan boyish arguments and it was you know there were a couple comments thrown back and forth the thing is Tony did you ever post the your side by side comparison the road the raw images like I said no I I did not post the images because mainly I have the reputation and bucket now has the reputation on the market to not defend itself against any accusations thrown whatsoever but i will post and i have posted the raw images from the Nokia 808 PureView and I just wanna I just want to run for up for a minute if we have time that whenever a company comes out with a product which is the best the lightest the smartest the fastest it's proven to be that and it's proven to be dead by different media outlets and you say that Anton says that bucket now confirms that and there comes a new breed of users on the internet it's called The Moron and the moron throws his keyboard or her keyboard at you and he says oh my god this how can you pull this one off you know what I don't care about your comments because you as a person do not exist unless you prove to me that you can do it better faster or you can do it without my mistakes until then you just grow some balls and maybe we have to take away the clean tag for this one grow some balls and accept it that your phone is a six month old phone and that somebody can do it better I'm always in favor of intelligent discussion with arguments but as long as somebody says I don't care about that technology I have never used it I have never seen it but no I can't accept that and its end of my rent right well you know all this falls in the category of you know we all get really really passionate about about platforms we're using with the mobile world is a lot like sports teams I mean it's very very everybody gets all hot faced and sweaty and whatever yes Michael but we are talking facts and facts can be proven can be our palpable zero you can see the difference I mean you don't have to but that not everybody can see can see the difference that's that's the thing come on man you can see there was a huge difference when the HTC One X and the 808 you're kind of like that that specific example I'm with you I'm not I'm not kind of i'm not really defending anyone as much as I'm making an observation that when everyone gets that excited about everything we all get very emotional and it's very annoying because then the facts kind of disappear and then all of a sudden where there's there's a shouting match i'm not talking about your your interaction i'm talking about the people in general in this in the field right so it's like I I know I know exactly what you mean I we've talked about it last week you know about people getting really up in arms about that you're not actually saying it's funny it's it's an interesting little sidebar I completely completely agree and I think that um I think that my point is just this you engaged with the you know with with with the commenter which i think is cool is not a lot of people will do that yeah absolutely i take responsibility i right i mean what i say and do but whenever somebody comes and throws in accusations which are harsh accusations I mean they're not only questioning my integrity as a reviewer they are questioning the entire websites credibility which is not acceptable in my book as far as common sense is concerned right and you know and you responded you know and i think that happens kind of all the time across the entire site will get commenters who will say great things will say horrible things will say middle road things and if we have the time more often than not we take we take the time to try and respond that's been pushed from the top from both of you guys ever since I came on boards like try to engage with the commenters and you know try to be a member of the community I think that's really cool sometimes it ends up in little in tiffs sometimes it ends up with jerks and sometimes it ends up with like really useful interactions I think the point I'm trying to make is that we are listening to the listeners out there we are we are listening to your feedback you know in the case of the contest we put out the contact the giveaway contest for the galaxy s3 and we were like well we have some restrictions here where we want to make it us only because that'll be simpler we're not really sure if the phone can be unlocked by the way everyone stopped telling me that all phones can be unlocked we have we've had problems in the past with units coming from specific vendors that not be unlocked easily so that's what we were trying to avoid any way we put the the contest announcement up we were like us only and everyone kind of exploded and then we kind of talked about it we spent an hour we're like well can we do this can we make it international let's investigate we decided that it was possible we unlock the phone and now it's open to everyone so I guess my point is we're listening to your feedback thank you for continuing to provide it and we'll keep engaging as long as you're not you know as long as people aren't jerks and I think that goes for the Internet as well as a real world I mean I don't interact with jerks very often in the real world either brenna do without on that uh you know I think it's it's nice if if people can act as if you know we're all you know we're on let's let's act as if we're in the same room we're having a reasonable intelligent discussion about the issues that that we care about at the end of the day we're just reviewing and talking about cool technology and we want to help you point we want to point you towards the coolest stuff we find and we're not paid by Samsung we're not where we don't have an agenda except to write really good content for you and so it's it's kind of confusing me sometimes when when the the morons come with it with their tour shallot and and it's like whoa oh we're you know you know if you think there's something wrong here let's let's talk about it we'd love to engage you but don't come at us with a fist in the air so you know it's just that it's just you know it's just how the internet is and you know it's fine well we'll put Tony out how you how you doing over there you good hey absolutely I was just thinking that it's it's interesting how how the anonymity of the Internet I mean hiding behind a username can make somebody believe that they can get away with stuff I mean we are all public figures as far as our faces names workplaces email addresses Facebook's and Twitter's are concerned you know all the stuff that needs to be known about us what can you tell me about a troll on YouTube not it's just a username which today exist tomorrow is not there just keep on coming back once you probably banned them because they're using f words all day long so what I'm saying is that the Internet is a great thing but it's also a hostile environment that it is and yeah there's that there's a lot of its that is so true that there are a lot of books out on that very topic and it's fascinating psychological thing and I just I just want to thank the person who once told me that I had the best sideburns in tech like that's I really yeah I like that's nice it's really nice you a person he was it was on YouTube I you know I really appreciate that thank you thank you very much that is a good place to jump into the to the final topic of the day here which we really do have to spend two minutes each on guys we have some rumors coming down the pipe of several phones that are going to rock 1080p displays that is not 720p that is 1080p that is full HD on a phone display of whatever it is in the four to five inch neighborhood this is overkill or this is not overkill two minutes for each of you Brandon you may begin let's discuss wait Tony's to go for seven first last time oh alright yeah I'm cheating because I know where your each coming from so I thought I'd structure it that way but okay Tony okay the giant in Romania has the floor I think it is an overkill because we are having phones which are at the moment between 4.3 and 4.8 inches we have phablets of 5.3 inches and if the next phablet will go up to even six inches I don't think there will go any further because that's tablet territory at six inches full HD resolution yields for 380 ppi which is huge I mean the difference between HD 720p and full HD 1080p doesn't give you that much of screen real estate as the difference between I don't know wvga or qhd towards 720p so you don't need that high of resolution because content which you are seeing even if it's full HD content from YouTube you can tell the difference if you're watching it on a 720p screen or a 1080p screen yeah sure bring on 1080p screens for or the four tablets that should be a standard but as far as small as small diagonal phones are concerned I think 720p should be the maximum resolution for anything below six inches and I rest my case wow wow less than a minute this guy is good Brandon all right I want to throw a curveball to both you I'm actually I'm I've been thinking about this a lot and I actually agree with thorny here's here's Pierce watch that you don't agree just gonna say what it's like it like it two hours ago you were sitting on the other side of the fence go ahead hi all right tell me a mighty mice um i saw i was thinking back to how screen resolutions have improved from qvga vijay wvga 720p and i thought to myself that the jump from 720p to 1080p would enable something new to happen and maybe some sort of new UI and then i thought back to this evolution of screen resolutions what has changed nothing what has been what what's different now is that you can see more detail in a 720p video what's changed is that icons are so clear that you cannot see pixels and there's a point at which we're more pixels are overkill so I I agree that 10 1080p is going to be overkill except in two situations one it's going to whoever gets to market first is going to have a fun marketing message to provide and number two if the screen is large enough and you're watching a 1080p movie and you have good enough vision you're going to see insane clarity that might be marginally better than what you saw on a 720p screen but only if you have I think better than 20 20 I slightly 2015 2013 which is actually very possible so it that's what I think nice very good very very balanced shot they're also well under two minutes you guys are really good at that at only saying what you mean you know from from my part I'm not going to take two minutes I'll just say I think it's overkill but I I can live at 800 x 480 I'm the worst person ask this question to I would never ask me about resolution stuff because I unless i can see pixels with my naked eye I'm just plenty plenty happy so that just one short second i'm using the Nokia 808 PureView as my daily driver because I have to review the phone and it has n HD resolution which is nakia has 360 x 640 or something I don't think I think it's that from the top of my head yeah it's the standard for symbian and you know what it looks good it's a four inch screen it looks good I can see pixels of course but I don't care about pixels because I'm not holding the phone up to my nose I'm holding it at 15 20 centimeters and at that distance is good that's understand I understand exactly what you're what you mean I know Brandon does not agree i've got we're all different it's lovely I don't agree I am I must have had a lot beta carotene when I was younger but my eyesight is fortunately not going to what very very good and so I can uh from a normal viewing distance on a wvga screen i can i can see pixels and you know I keeps you up at night and it it really does um it's you know it blah I don't know this is now now you understand the late Steve Jobs when he called up the google executives saying that the yellow and the google icon was not yellow enough for Apple to use did that happen yeah i think it's an anecdote which which really happened wow you have to look that up for it wasn't the biography which I read it wait it wasn't it was in them oh alright well we'll talk about it next time we've got a we've gotta jet um guys thank you for that was awesome atilla run we started with with brennan tell the internet where the internet can reach you when it wants to i met on twitter at branded mini man or minimun has some you know it's actually pronounced minna man but I say minimun because it just sounds like cinnamon and that's great I have no comment on the matter that's wonderful and antoni I am I'm not gonna see my work because you won't be able to spell it till I'm gonna spell it for you it's eight and ten let's stop that it's a NT om-d ma gy and i'm saying much because it sounds like mud and in hungarian it means great it's great just nice it doesn't get you care and I am I can be found on Twitter as well at at captain two phones it's captain the number two phones but you can also contact us at the official pocketnow twitter account listeners that is at pocket now tweets all one word obviously and you can also email us if you have a specific topic you want discussed or if you if you have a question for us so you one set to something for us to read on the air you can email us at pocket excuse me podcast at pocketnow.com 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