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from pocketnow.com this is PocketNow weekly hello and welcome to episode 003 of the pocket now weekly the once-a-week podcast from pocketnow.com where we discuss news and opinion from the world of mobile technology that's smart phones tablets phablets and everything in between I'm your host Michael Fisher contributing editor at pocket now and I'm joined as always by our managing editor and Tandy Nagy good afternoon to you good morning and it's refreshing for the first time recording this podcast it's not midnight here in in Europe a so I'm finally drinking coffee at 6pm instead of midnight but it's good to be here hi everybody I'm very glad you I'm very glad you are and and also our editor-in-chief Brandon minimun good morning to use her hey hey hey guys hey we are yeah as Tony mentioned we are recording at a slightly different time today so it's been it's been a lot of fun to try and get everything together but we are in a bit of a time crunch so I kind of want to just jump right into this but before we get to our topics I want to talk about the podcast won't have a little meta moment we're on episode 3 episode 003 which i always sounds awkward when i'm leading into the show but it's i want to make sure we at least have a hundred episodes before we do something different here so that's why that's a thing that I'm stuck on but we're still very much in the optimization phase and I just wanted to kind of communicate with our listeners very very briefly and say you know we're still working out technical stuff I mean we're still working out levels and and the equalization and and things about that we've I think we've got our distribution pretty much settled we're now officially in the zune store is that correct Tony everybody can just go on the zune client search for pocket now either on your phone or on their PC or max and subscribe to the podcast it's there it's the pocket now weekly but the old podcast is also there if you want to just listen back in time it is to see how it sounded yeah yeah no it and that's it's great so we're on all three kind of official channels itunes and zune and I believe Google listen is finally crawled us but so distribution is settled but you know we're still working on audio stuff my levels are still being tweaked because I'm recording in in a sound booth that everyone knows about and you know I made my living doing voiceover for four years so it's really ironic that i'm the one with the levels problems on all of our podcast but it's because of the equipment i'm using but so i just want to touch on briefly also something we've gotten a lot of feedback already in the podcast and a lot of has been positive and it's been really great but we've had a lot of suggestions to do a video podcast that is something that we may do in the future in the distant future but we have no plans to do it right now and i'll tell you why i mean i know this is kind of get a lot of people angry or you know why we'll do it when the time is right and when we can accomplish it properly we kind of we really like I certainly really like a lot of other other sites podcasts but i really only listen to them because when I watch them I usually find that I'm just watching as kind of a split screen of a bunch of people kind of statically staring at the monitor there's really no added value when you know it's it's cool to see the person but it's just it's just almost you might as well take a picture of each person and put it in the different frames and just stare at their face because it's the same thing exactly for an hour and a half and while you know pets and and sisters and and and and parents are walking by in the background or you know whatever and it's like you know if we can do it right like if we all uh someday end up in the same city we have a studio something like that you know who knows what the future holds like that's something where we could do something different or if we get high mayen on the discussion we start talking about you know a really cool different multimedia approach something that nobody's done will do it that way but we're not gonna we're just not going to do that right now we're not going to be these kind of talking heads on the screen so we you know for those of you who are annoyed by that we do apologize but that's just where we're at now so I wanted to make sure we touch on that so anyway that being said uh let's jump right in here we went snack yeah we pleasing it's got something to say Oh brandon has some to say I got to give up a corner at the top of the show man yeah that'd be that'd be fun all right up so I've been using my android phone in a way that I think a lot of people don't realize they can they can they can do with their own android phone um it turns out and and oh this might be common knowledge I don't think it is you can run legacy console games on your phone I'm talking any s8 any super nes nintendo 64 second dreamcast and it's very easy to do just the other day i downloaded an nes emulator for free from the google play store it's called John Joh n is light and the the idea behind this of course to keep it legal is that you've had you had you have to own the game or have had or have paid for it in the past in order to play it and there are websites out there that feature roms that you can download and load onto your phone and it's literally the easiest thing I've ever ever done on my android phone and within moments i was playing mario brothers one you know the first video game i ever played when I was like six years old and I was just zipping through these levels it had multi-touch so it you know obviously you lack the tactile feedback although some Android devices let you control gamepad which is oh my gosh that way so that would be amazing yeah but the even Leon's on-screen controls are pretty good so um there is an emulator out there for every game system and if you've purchased the games previously you can load on literally every or any game that you've ever played so it's it's like the reincarnation of you know is those old-school platformer sir councils you know you and you're not the only one who's done that I I've had an emulator called nessam I guess any sem on my galaxy nexus and before that i think it was on my EVO and I to I'd do the same thing and I've got a super nes emulator too so I'll play like mario kart but how does that work with the roms you know is that just like the honor system kind of thing where you are saying like you have to have paid for the game in the past like you have to have bought the cartridge as a kid like I mean you know cuz securing the roms isn't too hard you know it's the same theory behind making a backup like if you if you purchased a CD remember a compact disc guy so you know some listeners might not know what that is physical media house I change yeah you're you're legally entitled to a copier to or I don't know what the numbers of that as long as you've purchased for the first time and you're allowed to use it for personal use you can't sell it obviously and the same applies less let last I checked to video games if you've purchased it you can essentially download the wrong which is like a copy for personal use so I last I checked it was perfectly legal given those circumstances we should look that up that's uh that's actually really really really cool thank you for reminding me that I have that did you have Nintendo of any kind over there in Romania or Tony no at least not when I was at the age of playing because as you know or probably some of you listeners don't know Romania was a communist country up until late nineteen eighty nine at that time I was nine years old and it took a couple of years for Romania to start to think or to head in a capitalist way in a democratic way so no the market was not filled with the gadgets so that kids could drive their parents nuts you know sometimes I forget about that thank you for thank you for the reminder it's so interesting to to get that perspective every now and then particularly when we talk about you getting devices and stuff like that and how the process is so different for you to get review devices than it is for either Brandon or me but at any rate so jumping into to using that as a kind of a leap to jump into Android here I started my day going to the post office which by the way is one of the more infuriating things I think you can do I don't know it really is horrible as a technology person especially where you're so used to kind of convenience without people this notion of humans being kind of superfluous to efficiency or detrimental to efficiency and it well anyway I it was a fine morning at the post office but the I don't want to talk about the post office the point is I was there so I could send out our give why phone to our giveaway winner we we closed the the samsung galaxy s3 give way we had a winner from Pennsylvania in the United States her name is Ashley and so her phone is on her way to her at her dorm I think she's in college so it so it's it was awesome it was just a really cool way to kick off the day I've never given away a phone before personally it wasn't my phone to give away obviously was pocket knives but I was in charge of the giveaway so that was so much fun we should get her on the podcast when she receives the phone nozzoli cool idea yeah that is an awesome okay look at this we got ideas and things cool well yeah anyway I just wanted to say that the that contest was very much fun it would be great to do more of that in the future I'm sure we will obviously it's not something we can do all the time I want to talk a little bit later about the dynamics of running of running a running a giveaway and maybe not on this episode but on another one but anyway it was a lot of fun I some of the methodology we used to to pick the winner was fun because I've never worked with a random number generator before and that's how we kind of selected the winner from the qualified submissions we received there were over 1300 of those by the way they're still sitting in my inbox so every time I go to my pocket now mail account it says 1334 which is great like somebody's writing you emails exactly right like somebody wants to talk to me but anyway it was it was a lot of fun and the keeping with the android thread the Nexus 7 I got a device I got a device in the mail and it was my Nexus 7 and it's sitting right next to me here and I don't think I've told Brendan that yet so yeah it came and I am one of the lucky ones to have received a 16 gig Nexus 7 before it sold out you got the last one I got the last one yeah yeah before the store was was cleaned out that's that's kind of really cool i'm going to talk about how i love my Nexus 7 at some point in the future not now but the news right now is that still as of just a few minutes ago you go to the Google Play Store you try and buy a nexus 7 at 16 gigs and it is sold out you can get an email notification when it comes back in stock are either of you guys surprised by this I mean I feel like almost that maybe this was a planned thing that they made a limited quantity for this reason I i think that they expected people to grab the lower price but then people quickly realized that 8 gigabytes is not enough in fact the unit that i have is eight gigabytes and i was thinking oh you know it'll be enough i don't you know i'm not gonna put media on here I'll stream everything and then one day I go to update my facebook app and I ran out of storage and thus cannot update my facebook app noches a which is like I'm like wait is this 2012 I have run out of storage would hope what is this and and the reason was because I had several seven hundred megabyte games that i was i was testing during the review like shadowgun and such so i had to go through with an ex and remove all of those awesome games so yeah sixteen gigas is the way to go and I think that a lot of people realize that and you know when people think to android tablet they're like oh four or five hundred dollars and so when they thought when they looked at the nexus 7 pricing they said well 250 is still quite good and you know get that extra storage so there was huge demand for it yeah I think that's that spot on III just Ike Ike have been burned by that storage thing so often now you never ever ever think you're going to use as much storage as you actually will I'm sitting here doing them i'm using the my macbook air to do this podcast outline and it's like I've frequently routinely have to delete stuff just so the thing will function without giving me notifications that I'm losing space on my on my boot drive so it's yeah I could never even think about going with an 8 gigabyte tablet and and it's it's such a big decision when there's not removable storage like you know it's funny you mentioned your laptop Michael my my desktop computer I have a hundred and twenty eight gigabyte solid-state drive as my primary and I run out weekly and its really frustrating when I bought it I was thinking there's no way I'll ever come up I don't you know I store media on a secondary hard drive and I was like there's no way I'll ever you know max out the capacity and I've done it yeah so so and then and then with the ipad when I have a 16 gig I would download like two or three movies and it'd be it's a up static you know the the capacity is fall and I'd be very upset so I think the the lesson here is that if you cannot change the storage pretend like you need a lot and and pay the slight premium for the higher capacity model because you probably will run out agreed I mean it's just like anything else it's like you spend a little bit extra money up front to be happier for a longer period or more happy in the long run and storage is i guess like the prototypical example of that of course if you're gonna buy a galaxy s3 and you're choosing between 8 16 or what is it actually 16 32 and 64 gigabyte go with the smaller capacity because because you can cut a memory card slot yeah get a memory card which is far less expensive than upgrading to the higher capacity built-in model yeah what are you working Tony your daily driver what's your what's your capacity on on that whichever it is well I'm about the only person I know who doesn't run out of space and I'm about the only person I know who finds it enough to have a gigs of space of storage space to get back to the example of the macbook I had the 256 gig version i have 2 33 my ex pc i had a 32 gig SSD before i sold it and I still had 15 gigs free my phone is completely mm-hmm sorry empty so I'm not I don't have that many mp3's or music or videos or games I'm not playing games at all so for me eight gigs is more than enough so this is why I have no opinion on this just to answer your question I don't find it surprising at all i think they produced about the same amounts of 16 gig and a gig version of the nexus 7 which is that people need more more storage because as i listened to you guys you have lots of multimedia content and lots of things of stuff on your devices just like Jaime showed me in Barcelona his 64 gig iphone was almost full and my 16 gig iphone still had 14 gigs free so it's just a matter of perspective on how you're using your storage how you're used to playing for in I have relatively cheap and fast internet in Romania so I don't have any music files on my iPhone and iPad because i'm streaming from the cloud that's that's that's interesting because there's there's sort of two divergent futures where and they're kind of competing with each other one where everything is streamed thanks to the wide availability of fast bandwidth and cheap and with and then the other and you see that with Spotify and Netflix and the success of those services and even zune which has a really cool unlimited download streaming thingy and then there is the other other part of that which is you know you're going to download everything and Google Play is download everything they don't have a streaming option and itunes is kind of split you know you can stream from Apple TV movies but then you know if you're if you have an iPhone you download songs you download movies you download everything so where do you guys think the future is going in terms of this but between downloading and streaming I'll tell you I mean it jump right in here because I have been trying to use streaming only services for the past week or so because I've been reviewing a couple phones at once and I haven't been swapping my memory card very often so I find myself out with a review unit and I don't have my music on it so I'm like well crap so I'll fire up Spotify whose new app works pretty well and I'll start seeding mean it is but i'll start streaming until i have a network problem even on LTE sometimes it can't handle you know I can't keep up with the with the rate that is required for some of these songs and that is especially true in the subway system here which is does not offer ubiquitous coverage so I am in a situation where I'm in a very you know I obviously a pretty advanced city full of technology firms and young people who value technology so I'm in pretty much the best environment possible yet I cannot be I cannot exist as a streaming only you know consumer I need to have local storage so i think that the future is heavily streaming based but I think we're nowhere close to that yet especially when that's true for me in Boston and you know it's it's got to be true for somebody into moin you know yeah yeah and and for me I I have a slightly different existence than you I never ever take the subway and the only time where I lose service completely is on a plane and I don't like to too much so but but for me what happens is that for example i'm in my neighborhood where literally fifty percent of my neighborhood is LTE fifty percent is 3g and sometimes i take a walk around my neighborhood and i plug in to spotify and i'm listening and and not only do I lose the the stream which is incredibly annoying when you're about to get to a climax of a song and then it stops um not only do I lose the stream when I'm transitioning from 3g to LTE in a lot of cases but when I step down to 3G and I'm in the part of the neighborhood that has 3g only yeah it it stutters a lot and it's really frustrating so I think another problem there is the ubiquity of higher speed networks isn't isn't there yet it's a lot better and they need to get some cell phone towers in those subway stations completely agreed but but also I feel like it's a nap architecture thing too because and this is not conclusive I just this is just me riffing here but I find that Spotify will skip more often than pandora will for example like pandora for me it offer a very very good buffer and it's I mean it's you know handling that stream with much more alacrity than even the new Spotify app so I feel like there's a there's a an appt architecture question that has you know that requires some investigation there so you can tell you my opinion because I really don't have what I mean I do have one but it's not gonna be the same as yours that which means I disagree well that's good please do the thing is I have spotify set to extreme quality and streaming on my iPad or on my iPhone or even on my android phones and I am really thankful that I live in a region where I have very very cheap and high-speed Internet I will however put some offline content on my devices whenever I will go for instance next month to Berlin to avoid some huge roaming costs but as as far as I'm concerned whenever I'm in my home town or in my home country I don't need local storage basically I can lose my laptop my phone my tablet and I will only be regretting the hardware itself all my data is safe it's online and I can pick up a new phone and continue where I left off now that is interesting blanketed by HSPA in your hometown Tony in an hour yes we have advertised seven points 2 megabits per second but the averages in at around 3.5 anywhere up to 5 so I never picked out ok cool I since you mentioned tablet I'll just I'll just drop this in right now since and since i've spent about two days with the nexus 7 now i may have to eat my words at some point in the future when I said that I found your idea Tony of carrying around a 7-inch tablet as a phone ridiculous I still think it's ridiculous i do but it is less ridiculous now because I've now laid hands on this on this device and put it in my cargo pocket and things like that so anyway when I got the the original galaxy tab which was about the same size the Galaxy or the Nexus 7 it was the wintertime and so I was wearing a jacket and inside there was a jacket pocket and for about a week I thought I was super geeky it had been at 3g so I was able to access the internet I would take it around with me everywhere and you know I would be waiting in line at various places I take out this tablet and at some point I thought started to think you know I could achieve the same results here meaning having a big screen experience if I just bring around my my smartphone it's not you know I just I just need to hold it closer to my face and effectively I'm a bigger screen right right that's the way physics works right first fatality yeah you know what are you talk about the original Galaxy Tab yeah wow yeah I remember being at the coming-out party for that thing yeah anyway we'll talk more about that in a while we got it I but I've been carrying around the nexus 7 all around town or doing the same thing that you did so i'm waiting for the buzz to wear off and waiting for the love to to cave in the in another sales related news the the instill on android the galaxy s three as past 10 million units sold Tony I don't know if was that you who wrote this one is this uh it was me okay so this this may mean shipped 22 carat to carrier partners or it may mean actually so actually units sold it is actually unit sold yeah so and they were protecting there's a related story which is the first one attached to this piece samsung was expecting to sell 10 million galaxy s 3 units in July so it looks like they've done just that is anyone really surprised by this i mean it's it's pretty phenomenal but it's i'm not surprised it's a great phone and it's had a lot of buzz to it there's there's so much marketing dollars behind this thing combined I mean there there's there's so many stakeholders in the galaxy s3 and you know usually companies when there when they collaborate on something with verizon samsung or Microsoft and Nokia they they share the advertising budget so you get this compounding effect where there's just so many ad dollars you see you go to any website on the internet right now any tech website you'll probably see a galaxy s3 yet you see them on Billboard's on TV soon and and that starts to change advertising's effective when there are good ads and and so people are buying this thing people know about this thing in fact I was talking to a few non-technical friends the other day and they say what foner using I say the galaxy s3 other they're like oh I know about that which is very surprising that you know such a new phone it has that has that recognition very it's working yeah very much so and I'm actually wearing for this podcast a galaxy s3 t-shirt that I got at the at the launch event that is a complete accident but I'm just realizing it now there's a lot of swag out there there's a lot of you know stuff that is branded galaxy s3 and even though people don't always get the name right I feel like I've mentioned this before they'll be like I'll be like yeah what android phone you're thinking of upgrading to if your stick with android know you know the galaxy I'm like okay well which which one do you mean and you know they'll in the past couple weeks they've been pointing out the galaxy s3 when I bring it out of my co this yes yeah the three Wow but I feel like it's I feel like that's enough of a coup that Samsung has really gotten the word galaxy the brand galaxy into people's heads but speaking of that same device you brandon have run a build of what is it cyanogenmod 10 on your Galaxy s3 yes I think last podcast i was fantasizing about what that would be like yeah and that came true for yer pretty quickly doesn't it yeah yeah and jeez uh I'm not I actually switched back to the Galaxy Nexus and I'll tell you why in a minute but it's been awesome i'm using the quad core version and web browsing is ridiculously fast and head on the video yes and end at first it's actually kind of funny when i first put the cyanogenmod 10 preview on my galaxy s3 everything was working except the phone and people thought that was kind of funny because you know I they call me and they couldn't hear me and you know for me it was kind of worth it because I you know I can just text them later but they fixed the phone issue the only thing that doesn't work now I think is that the camera sometimes doesn't work but you know who needs that anyway even with two cameras camera icons right yeah it's got two camera icons because one time some of the time one works and so many other but it no it's good good enough to use as as a daily driver in fact it's it's the it's made it the fastest phone I've ever used bar none and and I think yesterday i found a tweak on XDA to disable the capacitive buttons and give you the Galaxy Nexus like on screen soft keys the soft keys and that's interesting because you know the screen on the galaxy s3 is so big you can afford to give away some pixels to the on-screen controls but some people kind of don't like the capacitive buttons and you get the back button on the right side instead of the left and then and then you don't get the permanent multitask button so you have to tap and hold so I kind of liked it a lot except the problem was that it had a lot of side effects so I had to I had to reverse that and that's not quite ready for prime time but but yes up engine mod 10 on the galaxy s3 if you're rooted out there it is it is awesome and it fast real fast it is good to hear that ringing endorsement I mean I met I always think it's odd to see a stock build or a close to stock build of android such as cyanogenmod 9 or in this case 10 on a device that you frequently see or only see officially with a skin on it so I always think that that's kind of this weird there's this weird disconnect that goes on in my mind where I'm like ah that's galaxy s3 where's TouchWiz oh it's running something awesome and yeah I'm perhaps predictably not going to be doing that because I like TouchWiz oddly enough the new TouchWiz but I was really glad to see that video when i was when i was seeing what's what's gone on the past week and they're fast that team will make you know they'll don't build new stuff would it what is it the nightlies that come out every every day yeah and that's also interesting because every day there's a new building you're like oh should i flash it and if you flash it you know and and and you just wipe your dalvik cache you can basically put the new system on the new the new files on top of the existing so you don't have to start all over um but then this is like a delta update almost yeah it is it does work like that the best case scenario is that you wipe your device completely which you know i would plan to do every month or so because they're you know so many nightlies and they're usually minor updates but it's good to get a fresh start once in a while but you know I'm kind of new to the nightly build thing and I kind of there there's like a changelog and I can kind of see what has been changed if it's worthwhile and sometimes I'll wait three days sometimes I'll do it every night it's kind of kind of fun so it's it's an interesting concept these nightlies is is there an equivalent thing Tony you just finished reviewing the PureView 808 which is up on our site as of right now is there an equivalent kind of modding community for symbian I know nothing about symbian because it's been such a so absent from the United States I don't know I don't know and i'll tell you why ever since i started reviewing phones obviously when when us editors or reviewers are taking a look at a phone we are taking a look at the out-of-the-box experience how does that phone behave the way the OEM the manufacturer intended it to and throughout the years I've gotten so used to only working with the stock experience that somehow along the way I lost the need completely to flash to customize too deep tweak and I'm I'm not afraid to tell you this i'm using all of my phones in their stock setup whether it's windows phone symbian apple android everything is out of the box and if that means OEM update one year from now then that it is wow I that is I I actually am surprised to hear that because I'm in the same boat you know we talked about this last week as well and I think you know Brandon I could I could feel Brandon's open sneer on the other side of his microphone but like I you know it Tony you're like you were the one who gave me a hard time about not not rooting my galaxy nexus do it like I do it what don't do what I do oh oh yeah do as I say not as I do exactly the thing is that yeah I I don't need to have something which is faster because the galaxy s3 is fast and it's enough for me and that I don't know point2 of a second I don't see it and I don't mind if i push the home button and it takes me one second to get back to the home screen I'm not that of a geek for instance as Brandon is no no hard feelings here but the thing is that yeah I'm stuck and you know what's my happiest moment of the day when I run out of battery on one one of my phones and I'm just picking another phone up from the desk random one and I'm just continuing to do whatever I did on the other film because everything is set up the same way on all of my devices even the icons on my home screen and if i were to completely flash continuously tweak and do stuff that would be meaning for me basically not using the phone i would be basically only flashing and not using the phone for emails for stuff like this i had a discussion i think it was last year or when i think it was on the podcast that and I think I'm going to read my tutorial about this we are not using their phones for what they are intended to we are then of course it will be a polarizing topic but we basically power users geeks all they do on their phones is just applications tweaking extreme tweaking and flashing there was an interesting research done three or four weeks ago 0 2 in the UK told us that basically making phone calls and sending text messages is only the fifth or the sixth thing which people do on their phones yeah these are phones yes they can run applications but you don't spend your entire life in Word and Excel in a game on Twitter or on Facebook a phone is for phone calls and the the addition of running applications is something which should improve your mobile life but right now we're kind of lost in our phones if that does make any sense well yeah but will it seems to me though weren't you referencing that story that said that like phone calls and texts were like the did you just say that like the fifth or sixth most common thing we do like they're not they're not at the top of the list right and from what I've seen people make phone calls at around seven eight minutes per day this and this we can also refer your refer to your editorial with where you talked about texting instead of ever talking yeah you know what it depends from person to person I would rather talk to somebody then write to somebody so yeah for me a phone is a phone and the addition the fact that it can run applications makes my life easier but I'm not lost within my phone see I get that completely I think we have to keep our eye on first of all you make a really good point about having to keep our eye on the ball as far as regular consumers are concerned and we don't see phones the same way as kind of the average Joe and we kind of have to for the purposes of reviews kind of put that those those those glasses on and be like okay I need to now look at this from the point of view of an average consumer but that said even even the average consumer like stuff is moving away from from voice you know and it's moving away from this kind of this is a phone and a phone first the mentality which are you which I'm really not sad about Bob viously because of you know our divergent views on voice calls but you know I I feel like that and that study bears that out where it's like yeah voice calls just a few years ago where King and now they're now they're they're just another accessory and they're less important than even apps it's why people can walk around with custom roms you know like Brandon was just saying and not and and you know it's like well the phone application doesn't work and that's not a deal breaker because that's not what I use my phone for it's a pocket computer now instead of just a phone yeah there are people who care about that increase of speed that I don't know that point something of a second which makes the difference from instance to almost instant and then there are the people who don't really care or don't really know that Shirin or don't really know how to do it and we can all yeah everybody's all we're all coming at this from different spots and that's one of the great things about about this business I feel like like my father will often ask me the same question about about writing for pocket now or for tech sites in general to be like well is there enough I just can't imagine there's enough there's enough to talk about and I'm like no dad that this is such a massive landscape there's so much going on every day there's so much there's so much new happening and so much to consider about the old that's happening or that's not happening anymore that I mean and there's room for all kinds of views here that's why I feel like we're we're a pretty good mix here on the podcast we have all levels of geka to dat at different fronts so but moving on I want to I want to just throw a mention here while we're talking about jelly bean that the galaxy s 3 and s 2 are rumored to get jelly bean soon the official versions of course exactly yes the official versions the non that the non-scientist and jobs I you know I think that in light of it neither the fact that HTC just released a list where they basically torpedo to any notion of Android updates for a couple models I think that's really really reinforcing Samsung's position as not just a bringer of new products but as a you know like maybe a customer a customer service improvement on their end and i agree inc yeah I think it's a I think that gesture is a lot bigger than it appears on the surface because what I picture is a company that cares so much about their their flagship line and the previous flagship that they've they've rallied no that's not the right word they've devoted tremendous resources they probably have maybe a hundred engineers or 50 engineers allocated just to getting the customers the latest version of the Android operating system which will make the customers feel tremendously valued and the fact that they're going to pull it off in such a short period of time that's amazing and that that makes me want to buy a samsung product in the future because if I want me to get updates sooner than you know HTC you or LG's gonna send out the update absolutely yeah no I was surprised to read it I mean I was surprised to read the headline when I just thought it said you know Samsung Galaxy s3 to get Android for that one soon but when it said if you know the addendum that says galaxy s2 is like what you know that you know your old phone is gonna get the jelly bean update at at almost the same time I mean that's that's crazy that's all let's let's not forget that the galaxy s2 is still among the top five phones in the Android land so it's it's an excellent phone it still outperforms many of the quad core phones on the market at the moment and aside from that yeah let's mention that before the galaxy s3 the galaxy s2 was Samsung's best selling phone so it's just normal the two best settings phone best selling phones for samsung are getting the jelly bean treatment and it's just normal we're talking tens of millions of users here that is that's a really good point and I feel like that's a good illustration of how easy it is to lose perspective of the global market if you're in the United States I don't know Brandon I won't speak for you I'm sure you knew about this I really the galaxy s when it first premiered the first line in in the summer of 2010 I think it was that was eye-catching to me but the galaxy s2 went completely unnoticed by by me and most people that I that I know because there were a lot of offerings at the time from they were boring offerings but HTC had had a few and you know other companies were bringing stuff out I mean I wasn't even conscious cognizant of the galaxy s2 really here in the states except insofar as the ridiculous elements were concerned like Sprint's ridiculously named the sprint samsung galaxy s2 epic 4g touch 30 just to complete your sentence Samsung is doing a great job now but this thing has to be said samsung did a lousy job in bringing the s2 to the States I mean it was launched in 2011 at the IFA in February and if I recall well the state's got it somewhere in q3 if i recall well anyway it was at least four or five months difference between the International and the US launch but for the galaxy s3 I don't think it was even a month of a difference and this is the way they should do it and I'm glad that they have finally learned from their mistakes and they are listening to customer feedback at the end of the day people are dying to put money in their pockets yeah i think the galaxy s and the galaxy s2 especially the two was practice for samsung to basically have control over the carriers so that when the time was right with the galaxy s3 they could say hey this is what you're gonna do and if you don't do it then you're going to be the only carrier without a galaxy s3 you're going to lose out on a lot of a lot of customers so they think this is part of the plan and now they they're in this pattern where you know galaxy s4 comes out same things can happen with the three and you know there won't be long confusing names anymore and that that was probably a nightmare for samsung marketing but it's a thing in the past yeah agreed i say go on Michael oh sorry well I I mentioned a bit of that and the piece I wrote called Samsung is in it to win it where I was like well this feel the feel of this launch this galaxy s3 push is different from anything that's come before and it yet took Samsung a long time to earn that kind of cachet that right to say no we're Samsung this is a galaxy s product and you're going to do it our way because it's going to work out best for either for both of us and you just need to trust us and the you know certainly a lot has factored into that go ahead Tony that Samsung was so so against apple's policy and they ended up doing exactly what Apple does and if you see Apple products they're the same across carriers there's no carrier customization the hardware looks the saying the software is the same and Samsung is finally achieving that which speaks greatly highly of them yeah agreed and while we're to talk about Samsung just wrap up android this is we just I just posted the new Galaxy Nexus LTE after the buzz episode which is the fifth episode of that series I'm happy to have done so and I hey I had a little gap in the midst of the of the video hold on just it just to make sure we're on the same page Tony you do not have a Galaxy Nexus actually you you said that you haven't even you've handled only only one a couple times not own a Galaxy Nexus and I handled hi Mase Galaxy Nexus when we were in IFA I know when we were in at the mwc in Barcelona this februari okay and Brandon you've got the HSPA version yeah uh well Jaime stole my HSPA version so I'm using them I'm using the verizon version handled I handled Brandon's Galaxy Nexus through Jaime I see okay um well I i forgot Brendan that you were in the same boat i was i'm just i was glad to finally kind of get that off my chest i really was excited about doing that after the buzz episode and the Verizon Galaxy Nexus has just been such a wonderful Android device and it just would have been a wonderful Android device all around if they had if only they had not marketed it as a Nexus device I talked about that on the video and yada yada but at one point of the video I mentioned in error that this was a one and a half year old device the on-screen script i was using said half a year old device and I just screwed up because I was tired and I don't know what you guys I want to hear what people say about you guys in the videos on all of our video reviews because it seems like all of us have like there's always commenters who we're jerks as always commenters who are awesome and but I feel like there are common threads and the thing that always comes up for me always every single video there's somebody is going to say it is that I look high every time there's always at least one person is like dude you need to not you need to not smoke weed before that's that's because at one point one internet moron stuck that label on your forehead and everybody picked it up and they just no beating it yeah I know I know you know but hold it here's the thing I also i watch the videos and I I as most people know as I think I've mentioned before I make a fair amount of my income my livelihood acting I have I do camera acting work as well I've watched myself before I should buy revidian in the booth and pretty horrible lighting conditions with a really awful camera but i'm also always exhausted because i shoot these videos like early in the morning or late at night and it's stupid so I know that I look ridiculous but I it's it's just hilarious like I can do a countdown every time I post a video I'm like okay the video is going up at 11am by 1148 the first person will have come along and said dude lay off the the toke Piper but I just made up a term you know what the problem is Michael the problem is that they are not looking at a michael fisher review they are looking at a phone review and that again internet morons and I'm gonna keep on saying this until they drop they will comment on everything they will comment on your walls on your t-shirt on your whatever you have on your desk they will miss the point it's it's about it's a video which is ten minutes about a phone and they will comment about one thing Michael's red eyes or dude that guy only has Apple products okay leave that aside it's not the Apple product review it's the phone is a pure view it's the whatever but it's it's been go ahead Brennan and say so he'll make my plastic yeah I was gonna say I think that the reason why you look under the influence of a substance is because you just happen to have a bigger what's the word um eyelids oh oh I've larger eyelids that's gonna be the next comment thread right yeah um no I mean you kind of have like I think Billy Joel actually has similar eyelid swear his eyes always look kind of like not one hundred percent open because the eyelids kind of cut I'm not I'm not you know saying that it's a you know it's a problem or I'm just I'm just trying to figure out why people are saying that you high all the time hello but anyway I think I think it's time to move on from this yeah before we do i wanna i do want to mention that when i first started posting videos i was kind of advised to do not worry about the youtube comments because they tended to be really really negative and we've kind of oscillating back and forth between those i feel like there have been a lot of positive youtube comments as well and i like those but you know I want to just say that I always say at the end of all my videos and I think some other people do too if you want to leave a comment on one of our videos you should leave it on the post at pocketnow.com because they're whether they're good or bad that's not really the issue it's just the volume of youtube comments is so high that if we were to answer all of them it would just be kind of ridiculous and we would need like a dedicated person for that we don't have that so one word of warning if the internet morons come to pocket now with their usual comments I'm gonna make sure you're gonna be bad so here's moderation bucket now there's no moderation on youtube we got Tony Tony the guard dog is gonna be like taking care of our comments as usual and actually Tony's really great because I'll come back after you know after a long night or something like that and I'll just be reading the comments and my articles of the day and there will be someone who has posted something you know nasty or something and within a few minutes Tony Tony's has popped up and be like hey you settle down and I love that thank you for being our guard dog Tony I want to move on to Windows Phone where we're coming up on on a little little time crunch here there's not a lot going on with Windows Phone in the past week we did tho have Nokia's numbers released which I kind of want to talk about first they I were you guys surprised at these numbers when when nokia announced that for the second quarter of 2012 they sold four million Lumia devices i was i was a little surprised because i didn't think it would be that many am i completely off base or was this i know they're still losing money like crazy but you know was this kind of a surprising win for them in your eyes Brandon it kind of represents windows phones I guess market share in general it's it's it's substantial but it's relatively small um so I I think that this number probably was mediocre news for Microsoft and for nokia and you know if it were a lot higher he could have done a lot of good things for windows phone as a platform and if it were a lot lower it would seriously call it the question the viability of Microsoft strategy and certainly Nokia's so um but I to answer your question I think that a 4 million was above where I thought it would be you too yeah yeah I didn't necessarily I don't know what about you Johnny I'm were you surprised disappointed pleased no I'm how to say this equidistant is that the word in English I'm your kind of ambivalent yeah something like that i'm looking at the numbers from from an objective perspective windows phone on nokia hardware has been out for like nine months i think october last october and for millions and nine months is a low number considering the galaxy s3 so 10 million in two months or even one month and the iphone is selling like raising millions over the weekend but i think there's the need for a bigger picture here we need to look at from another perspective nokia has been doubling their quarter-over-quarter numbers they started off with a million in the last quarter of 2011 than 2 million q1 and now 4 million q2 as a big picture considering also the fact that Windows Phone has still a sub 2 digit market share four million is a great number but let's not forget it's 4 million worldwide that's a very good point yeah it's good to keep that to keep that in perspective and I you know at some point I want to have I want to do some kind of in-depth analysis of Nokia's Nokia's kind of cash situation and stuff like that and this is all business stuff that goes beyond me we talked to we touched on it last week a little bit we don't have time to talk about her too much today but it's it's really interesting to me now that we have this kind of data that everyone on Windows Phone fan sites has been batting around and saying well we just need to get the numbers for this quarter and let's see what it is and i agree Tony I think the trend is really really it has some potential what do I want to say I feel like the trend is encouraging Brandon you also make a good point you know they have this is a substantial share but it is still a diminutive one and something which needs to be also addressed and I think people didn't quite see this coming and or at least I haven't read about this q3 will be crucial for nokia because while being in q2 microsoft dropped the x and they told everybody that current windows phones including Nokia's will not get Windows Phone 8 and that's why I'm saying q3 which is gonna be crucial for nokia because it's gonna be that quarter in which they will realize that people do or do not care about updates if their sales are stagnant or they're going up then people do not care about updates and they care about good hardware which nokia is also the best hardware which i've seen for a long time if sales go down then i think microsoft and nokia have a problem which they need to solve ASAP because if sales are dropping again it will be pretty difficult for them to to rise them up again above the sea level if I may and q4 before the holidays when when Windows Phone 8 is going to come out and that's a really good segue because that we have this other story where the windows phone 8 rtm is rumored to is rumored for a november or a September or November debut we have like a couple conflicting rumors here I feel like and Tony you wrote this one as well where it's like you know we heard September November but Stephen Elop said that Lumia sales were going to get a boost by Windows Phone 8 coming in october so it's like what what's going I'm not I'm not I'm not the person who questions Mary Jo Foley sources everybody's got their sources the sources might be right or might be wrong when rtm hits it's not the important issue the important issue is whether the Nokia Microsoft relationship is that strong so that Microsoft could allow themselves themselves to to give nokia a certain amount of time say two weeks one month then advanced of other OEMs so for instance really like if if the rtm hits in November and we'll be seeing nokia windows phone 8 in October I think that'll piss off other hardware makers like HTC and Samsung and I'm not sure the Microsoft wants to do that I'm not sure they want to lose any partners sure but what what are they doing I mean what does HTC and Samsung done in the past six months with Windows Phone that's been at all interesting anything I haven't seen it you know some on which market if you're talking about the US market then you have the the focus to you have the Titan to you have lots of great hardware which never ever made it to Europe and if we're but yeah I mean it launched here but nobody cared really I'm you know you know what I mean like it SAT here it wasn't pushed by AT&T certainly the Titan to wasn't given the time of day by their advertising you know department compared to the the Nokia push you know these companies were well aware that Windows Phone 8 would dramatically change the specifications for further hardware so I don't think HTC wanted to to make some groundbreaking product when they really couldn't they can't make a you know a high-risk green they can't take advantage multi multi-core processors nokia was really the only company that could innovate on the hardware and they and they did it with with just amazing hardware and HTC and samsung are probably waiting 22 for windows phone 8 to show their stuff right so i guess my question is then like HTC and samsung have released this stuff like you're pointing out Tony and yeah like Microsoft would probably get would probably really annoy them by giving nokia a big head start with Windows Phone 8 but but I guess my question is due to HTC and Samsung make enough of a difference to Windows Phone that they deserve to be that that Microsoft should really heed that that warning I think that that depends just want one one sentence Brandon I think that depends on Microsoft and I'm gonna say this try to put yourself for instance in Peter Chou shoes if you are at CES and you're launching the Titan two and then Europe starting preparing for in an Android lineup which is the one the one x the 1s in the one be where do you spend your R&D money and all of your company efforts in in HTC One X which is prob going to sell millions or in the HTC Titan to which is probably gonna sell below 500,000 units yeah yeah yeah that that that makes a lot of sense the HTC and the rest have to prioritize to to the previous point of giving Nokia an advantage you know Microsoft has already done that but it will not do that to the detriment of significant detriment of its partners because if Windows Phone cannot exist in a world where nokia has failed and where HTC and samsung and LG and whomever else make windows phone hardware are mad at Microsoft and don't want to make hardware because Microsoft has has finded them so it's very much in the interest of Microsoft to keep these companies happy but but I think sorry go on I I just think that that that is true in the world that we have seen so far but we have seen a very different Microsoft especially with this surface stuff whether they've taken the manufacturing of the surface in a house and I think their partnership with lumia is is excuse me with Nokia is very important to them and I wonder I wonder if we will see some some microsoft sourced windows phone 8 hardware maybe sooner than we think and whether this kind of thing where they have to dance they have to tiptoe around HTC and samsung might not be the case for much longer I'm just kind of thrown spaghetti at the wall here if your name is HTC or Samsung and for instance you are losing Microsoft as a partner and you're losing those units which you are selling you are entitled to say a big man because you have all the Android phones which are selling millions but if your name is nakia and you're losing Microsoft are you losing my Microsoft's market share then you're really gonna die because Nokia doesn't really have a back-up plan even though Stephen Elop says they do have a back-up plan amigo they abandoned it symbian is dead so it's either Windows Phone all the way for for nokia or or nothing else but HTC and samsung can easily live without Microsoft Windows Phone because as long as they sell millions of Android phones which are good then they don't have a problem good call well it's yeah it's gonna be interesting to see but what goes on with that I want to keep a close eye on we're obviously going to keep a close eye on okay but personally I'm very interested in seeing what they do that's uh if we can move on to to iOS real quickly there's really not much there's there's always something going on in the iOS world but the Nano Sims allegedly confirmed for iOS 5 this is an interesting story I really hope this is not the case Isaiah as a chronic phone switcher I hope that hits not the case but Michael have you ever cut a sim to a micro sim sighs that's the thing I had to run all over town because I didn't have a sim cutter at the time to do this review for some phone that I forgot and I had to put my micro sim into an adapter and and all that stuff and it was just such an enormous pain so yes I have done that but it was annoying yes I well when I I don't have a sim cutter I just get wire cutters and I you know I it's a little risky and I've actually messed it up a timer to um you can actually just cut it with scissors and you just got it doesn't have to be the exact shape like you know you can have a half a millimeter off and it will still work and and and what's what also is kind of cool is that if you're using a phone that has regular sim and you have cut your sim into a micro you can finagle it to properly line up with the gold contacts context yes with Mike with nano SIM that will still be possible but the occurrences of people accidentally slicing off one of the gold contacts in an attempt to get a nano-sized is going to increase but yeah I want to be able to do that because the nano SIM is forty percent smaller than the micro sim itself so while the micro sim contains only the chip part of the normal sim the nano SIM will be even smaller than the chip itself on the micro sim well I don't think that's right i think the nano sim complete it has the same size context but it completely removes all of the white stuff and the white stuff is stoked there on the micro sim a little bit of it like a millimeter border and I think the Nano San just takes away that millimeter border that's it's that's fascinating III don't know I was burned I i had a review unit that i had to do that my Chris him into some sort of this foa dapper thing where i put it into the spent shell of another sim and there was tape involved and it was very very it was it was very back alley like chop shop kind of stuff and then i had a real hard time getting that sim out of the review phone when it came time to send it back to the manufacturer so I any new standard that comes out where it's like yeah we're going to we're gonna change Sims again for the second time in two years when it hadn't changed for you know what like 15 years before that I'm annoyed by and just kind of reflexively opposed to in this uncharacteristically afraid of change way like the grandfather on the porch you know I forget that dang old technology my newspaper and whatever I just want regular I just want one sim standard and if that's nano sim fine then just make it happen overnight please I'm really tired of this already forget that we are evolving and the a we have evolved from normal SD cards to mini SD and then to micro SD is just normal that at one point will get smaller and smaller sim cards and SSD drives have became smaller and smaller up until a moment where where they solder it to the motherboard so the the the trending technology is to have smaller sized larger capacity chips and it's I'm not sure there's gonna be anything else after nano sim but the trend is definitely to go smaller and smaller please no embedded Simms please no oh god sprint is already doing that and it's so irritating it's the worst it's just well it's fine for people that you know use a phone for two years and but for those of us that switch phones like we switch on just it's not biolog my friends do it the European Way no because then I then I you know it's very difficult to get an unlocked device that can support LTE here or you know that has the proper bands and stuff usually the unlocked ones for the HSPA ones that are quad jerk now what's that can I be a jerk now please be a jerk now that's your problem well said well said jerk speaking of standards and iOS bull is going to move to a 19 pin connector kind of everybody everybody is aware of this that this the smaller dock connector is probably is basically a lock for the new iphone there's going to be talked about this we've touched on this briefly we don't really have to talk about this I just wanted to mention it Apple is going to make a killing on on accessory adapters okay yeah if you were business model exactly if you were ever thinking of a time to get into the accessory business two months ago was the time and you should have started making these adapters because it's it's going to be incredible how much money is spent just to make existing hardware work with this new connector I'll probably most likely include included adapter for free i think i don't know that doesn't seem like something doesn't seem like something they would do but it seems like the right thing to do it's just it's just funny that you know Daniel Webster who is on our staff and he asked me that was back in 2011 that I think towards august or September to somehow get him two adapters from the normal 40 pin connector on the iphone to micro USB because he wants to charge by a micro USB end up I looked in Hungary I looked in the Belgium I looked in Spain and and I finally found two adapters this year when i was in london for the galaxy s3 event and i sent it to him but now he's gonna be all over me for another adapter yeah that that's a that's a part that i don't think many people know exists it's a micro USB 2 230 m 30 pin yeah that's a very handy thing but that's only available in europe we have to mention this because the european commission came out with the with the law if i may use this layman term a directive in which the standard for europe as far as charging his concerns micro USB so then everybody has to align with that an apple had to align with that by producing an adapter right and i'm glad that that happened I mean I you know their policy arguments to be made on either side of that but there's something there's a really powerful case to be made for standards particularly when it's something is integral is charging and it's we did something sort of similar in the States here but it wasn't as I feel like it was a couple of years ago but it wasn't as a far-reaching as the the UK solution so it was like so microusb sort of became a standard as a result of I guess market forces here more than more than anything legal right but I'm glad that it did because it's really nice to be able to be out with friends or whatever it's like well my phone is dying and I really need to borrow your charger you know nine times out of 10 it's going to work yeah it's a it's a great feeling yeah but this also calls for another discussion another topic on battery charging battery capacity you cannot charge every battery with the any charger it has to be a certain amount of current a certain amount of amperage which goes through through the battery so I think this should be a topic for another podcast yeah yeah we talked about that yeah because the atrix HD in particular which i've been using recently it has a very very peculiar taste in what current it will accept but we will we should talk about that and another one as a matter of fact I've just made a note about it magically let's see really quick to as we start to wind down the podcast here we had a piece called five things you didn't know about pocket now Brandon wrote it recently a couple days ago it was a really cool piece I haven't seen really anything like it in the tech space at least not recently and Brendan just briefly can you tell us how the idea came about two to post that piece because there were a lot of comments on it there still are yeah I was kind of on the fence about it and I was passing it around to a bunch of you guys trying to get your opinion and some people said yeah posted some people said nap people don't care they don't you know get on this is that's me right um but you know the truth of the matter is that there's a lot of energy and resources that goes into pocket now and I don't think people fully realize that I mean you know it it's a site and there's pictures and there's text but all of it occurs with a very not very complex but rather complex system that involves multiple systems and lots of communication and then there's this whole business aspect of it which you know it's almost a little dirty to talk about it but I'm happy to talk about it in pocket now is made possible by ads we've got a fair amount of full-time staff that that need to eat and I need to eat and we've got contractors that need to get paid and we've got ad revenue that supports it all and the ad revenue bid is interesting because I think people don't understand exactly how ad revenue works in the way it works is that it's impression based then it's the same way it is in you've named your favorite magazine or newspaper it doesn't matter if you click on a net it kind of does matter but for all intents and oh I hate that phrase and all for all intents and purposes it doesn't matter what it matters is how many impressions there are so every time you load a page on pocket now you see three ads you generated three ad impressions and you know are so our key metric to optimize is maximizing the number of AD impressions should we want to say stay sustainable as a business and so so I you know I wrote this article kind of explaining this and and fortunately people appreciated it as a kind of behind the scenes of you know how does this all happen and and the the article goes on to explain out how it happens so I'm glad it was well received and I really hope people appreciated the background and I think they did and you know I just checked the comments on it before we came on the air today and it really am there was a lot of like kind of gratitude there was a lot of open speculation about stuff you know discussion topics that were raised by the things that you've you talked about and I I personally would like to see more of it and i've been batting around a couple ideas in that vein so we may see more of that in the future if if I or anyone else on the team can come up with something more you know something has interesting the the other thing that it was on misc I don't really want to talk about hey there's new BlackBerry PlayBook that might be coming out how excited are you guys man yeah let's let's talk about that never no actually that's that's not that's too cruel I there are things about the playbook i like and i would like to snap one up but we'll talk about it on another podcast i want to jump into two minutes I don't want to do as much of a debate this week there's there's not a lot that um that we want to debate about at the moment this week I have an interesting question we featured another story kind of a behind-the-scenes thing about what we carry on the pocket no team what our daily drivers are it was called here's what devices pocketnow staff are using and I noticed as I looked at this article which I contributed to as we all did we all almost without exception carry phones on the top three platforms and that's to be expected where a smartphone site I mean in the top three platforms or iOS Android and Windows Phone my question to you gentlemen which will constitute our two minutes apiece bit today is if you had to carry a smartphone that was not on one of the top three platforms what platform would you choose if you want you can say what phone would you choose and why well let me start let me start okay Brandon you may start you have two minutes ago okay this is gonna be kind of disgusting but I would use the pixi plus nice because there's a lot I don't like about the pixi plus but there's a lot i do like about it for example it works with Microsoft Exchange which is the sort of email that I that I use and and most importantly it it has such a cute form factor the keyboard just for me has the perfect amount of click that it is tremendously satisfying on I used it for like you know a month back in the day when I was reviewing it on sprint and you know we had slowed data's fees are all these problems but I was abandoned typing with with the pixi plus it was a little slow but it generally kept up it got all of my email it had the apps that I needed and it was just it just fit in my pocket like there was nothing there in it and it just felt like this little mini powerhouse that that you know no one really liked but you know I had a little i had a fling with it to be honest so pixi plus for me Brett um listeners Brandon and I just became just became best friends you have borne witness to a shift to a paradigm shift in the pocket now team that's wonderful I'd never would have in a million years expected you to say any web OS device but least of all a pixi plus good for you sir pixie pixie greetings and mobile accomplishes nicely done um Tony as mentioned I'm gonna be very short because this this is very easy for me as mentioned in my here's what devices pocketnow staff are using I am currently using the Nokia 808 PureView as one of my daily drivers I have two mobile numbers so I'm doomed to always carry two phones with me but right now one of them is the Nokia 808 PureView because well go on read the review and you'll find out by but I need to tell you this I absolutely love the phone and it's not only because of the camera the camera is an important feature of the phone but nakia Bell X Symbian Belle it's very usable it has I mean it shines through the relationship between nokia and microsoft there is not only full exchange support which which I'm always glad to see because i'm using exchange but there's also sharepoint there's link there's Excel Word office onenote so everything you need to be productive that plus of course the free nokia services for maps and the voice guided navigation which is fully offline and fully free those make up for a great decision as far as I'm concerned I'm happy with the ETA 808 PureView it's it's got great exceptional build quality but if you want to find out more just go onto pocketnow.com read the entire review and you'll find out with a plug at the end very nicely done sir I you know I have to confess I sort of anticipated your response because i had read your review just before we came on the air which is a great review and agree with Tony you should hop on and read it listeners it's a really really great comprehensive review of that phone my response will be very similarly brief and unsurprising to anyone who knows me my platform of choice would be webos even in spite of its current state of disrepair the March to open webOS is a long one but I would carry the the pre three because when i received it when i bought it right after the webos collapse and the prices kind of skyrocketed i nabbed one very quickly and when i unboxed it i will always remember i wasn't working for a tech side and I wish I were because I would have just done a whole day of unboxing videos and review videos and I was so in love with the phone because it was everything that everyone on webos had always wanted and it came about just just about a month too late hetz hey add to that point I don't know if you know this Michael and this I guess will be probably the final mix we have to wrap up open webOS happens like this year or early next year right where there's source codes released correct correct and I was watching a podcast I think or some sort of video from webos nation and they were they were mentioning I didn't know this but if it's true i'm gonna i'm going to jump onto the ceiling that open webOS will have support for arm devices and will thus be portable to android phones yes I open webOS throws away the custom web OS kernel that they were linux kernel that they were using and switches to a more standard Linux kernel so yes that should be the drivers should be able to support that Wow yeah I believe me I mean I am I already have like three or four videos and written pieces just ready to go when the open webOS becomes a thing and I really hope it doesn't fall off the rails do you guys remember that news post it was I think just about the time when when webos got killed by HP that one of the early devices and I think it was the touchpad one of either production prototypes pre-production prototypes shipped with Android on board you remember that yep yeah yes sales i think that's that's part of your question Brandon we will be at one point able to run web west on the samsung galaxy s3 oh I'm looking forward to running it on on a lot on a host of devices but you're right Brenner we do have to wrap up and I could talk about web West forever but we won't in the future that we will I want to talk about it for a long time when it becomes relevant again marginally so I want to wrap up this week with a piece of listener mail this is awesome it's not our first piece of listener mail but it's the first one that asked us to some questions so let's just get right to it this is from Daniel Daniel I'm going to butcher your last name like I do to Tony every week I'm sorry believe it's Daniel Bell do seda but Bo diosa de la voz de Velde Isetta he says hey there I've been a big follower of pocket now for a couple of years now wanted to tell you that I really liked and enjoyed the first episode of pocket now weekly thank you very much sir I'm from Costa Rica and I have two main questions for you maybe you can even answer them on your next podcast I am really interested in getting a nexus 7 tablet but the google play store just won't let me because they're not available here so do you think they will be available in sites such as Amazon or any site like it I mean I definitely think so personally I just a gentleman you probably know more about this than I but I would think that that would be a foregone conclusion yes yeah definitely I mean the Galaxy Nexus well that's I guess a different scenario but yeah I think it'll eventually be on amazon and if you want one right now just go to ebay and you might pay a little bit of a premium but if you wait until all the stock is back in and availability maybe a month from now you'll probably get it slight have to pay a slight premium on ebay but not not by that much plus there are those third-party retailers a tailor's like our good friends in the UK clove and a neck we electronically to so you should be you should be well covered yeah yeah yeah I think you'll have more than a few options Daniel there and I have to tell you I love mine so far Brandon of course did the official review you can consult that but I really it's hard for me not to recommend this device to people even after a couple days but I'm keeping my mouth shut until I get up get past the initial glow it down you get a second question I own a galaxy s2 the i-90 100g do you think that jellybean is going to be available for us to devices anytime soon and we just discussed that earlier on the podcast it looks like that is going to be the case pretty soon Daniel Daniel listen to me be a man go to go to go to your favorite development site root your phone and get jelly bean on it today it's it'll be stable as the phone app will work and and you'll get jelly bean today just do it do it do it do it one word one word of warning though it's the 90 100 G if yes I understood well that's slightly different from the 90 100 which is the international version you have to check whether it's compatible with grams out there so be on the safe side and due diligence read the feedback yeah agreed yeah and I think we've just decided that Brandon minimun should have a should have a recurring column called be a man yeah please please allow me to do that that's awesome and is Daniels kind of snuck in a bonus question here can you tell me where Jaime Rivera is from his accent sounds very much like mine speaking English haha i am going to get this right this week hi Mei is from Honduras or at least he lives there now he's from there originally right gentlemen yeah cool Daniel there are your answers thank you so much for writing in we really appreciate it yeah and thanks for being our first piece of listener mail read on the air gentlemen unless you have anything else that wraps it up for this episode of the pocket not weekly I'm Michael Fisher you can find me on the Twittersphere at at captain two phones that's captain the number two phones Brandon minimun is at Brandon minimun and Tony over there is at aunt on dinadh that's a nton d na ji y you can follow Pacquiao's official twitter account at at pocket now tweets leave us a review on iTunes or zune if you like the podcast and if you have a topic if you have a question you have a suggestion for the podcast or you just want to say hi follow Daniels example email us at podcast at pocketnow.com thanks for listening everyone gentlemen thank you for joining me and we'll see you next week good being here see ya you