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backstreet's back alright I did end of the road last night I saw this that's right live but not really from New York it's episode 300 Saturday night it's three it's episode 345 of the weekly from Pacquiao and xda-developers recorded on Valentine's Day the 14th of February 29th Valentine's Day fellas from New York to San Francisco to Barcelona recovering phones we want to love like you wouldn't believe because they're detect that makes us go all right what's going on everybody this Joshua Vergara and I'm flying more than usually these days but I don't fly quite as much as our guests but Jules wrote here that I fly United but I had to get Delta for the bomb for the Barcelona trailer I agree but I flew JetBlue to get here yes that isn't Delfin I still hate them either way what I do the gold oh yeah he's here yes Madison United yeah I'm 1k and United gold on Delta oh my goodness well speaking of the man who is obsessed with ramen I made a vet as a go umbrella I don't look like the guy that should be obsessed with ramen but hello we're starting we're starting the Valentine's Day episode perfectly and of course we have our guests for this week David Emmel of course you know I'm from Android authority how has been how has been your week it's kind of late tomorrow but we can but we can't confirm nor deny now based upon stuff he's been he just said I do have a quick caveat or disclaimer before we get into the show proper for this week I want to note that the Galaxy S 10 unpacked event is coming up next week and we're gonna have a full show dedicated to our first hand impressions be more than likely yeah well that means that you'd be on the show again - yeah let's do it so as not to spoil any conversations you can head over to packing.com slash podcast jump into the episodes rundown and find links to the rumor roundup for all of the specs that you expect that you can't expect rather you can also read into our first look of what we'll be covering at MWC 2019 as well we'll be updating that post right up until we fly out to Barcelona which is in like just a little actually in some what week literally a week from yeah all of that and more available right now at pocketnow.com slash podcasts and now that we have that out of the way let's get into this week's stories now just like what last week we are kind of moving into a more let's say a little bit more focused format for the podcast so we have a number of stories here we're just gonna be talking at length about all of these things it's not like a huge amount like 20 or anything like that we decided to just sort of focus them down a little bit our first segment for this episode has to do with Apple there's a lot of news coming out of Apple all right my question to start off I know your answer any of you guys ever used the air pods I borrowed them from a friend to use while I was editing a video once okay you know you wanted to I try them out so uh I keep forgetting this guy's name I'll remember soon but somebody left them in my Airbnb one oh and I had to fool I had to bring them and I'm like would you mind if I go in my try I did I hated them and that's the end of story okay that's whiter oh it was slider and that's whiter yeah I I'm kind of shameful in admitting that I use them way more than I thought like as far as just the product itself it's well thought out I actually think that they're decent sounding and I'm very much stronger you say decent but they're super convenient and they even work on Android phones and I was like all right there you go I'm down I'll use them but they are hardly anticipated to have I mean they're the update to the air pods are really hotly anticipated not only that but also some sort of wireless charging some sort of wireless charging solution for them air power is it supposed to be called but surely you're not going to be seeing any of this hardware at what is supposed to be a March 25th event she's a software event right that's what they're kind of thinking and we do have a couple of stories regarding that yeah so the what do you think that March 25 or what would you what do you wish would be announced at the March 25th event anyway you know I have to admit that I don't keep up on Apple stuff that much I mean I do but like I all I saw was like a story stream on Twitter about how there's a March 25th event and how it's probably software and then how did they--how did they even I didn't catch wind of how they even announced I didn't either I don't get it they haven't sent out invites yet there's nothing it's there that's what they're assuming but but I don't get it it's just they're March event has always been their education event to a certain degree last year cheap iPads yes so will we get our cheap iPads usually anything that's oriented towards education but then the speculation is that there won't be any iPads here because the rumor is early we were gonna get the new iPad Mini the renew the renewed iPad which would get less bezels pretty much the iPad 10.5 being used for educational purposes yeah that that those were the rumors and that and the new air pods now the rumors is we're not getting any of that I doubt they would but the thing is like they've been rumored to be released at every event that's happened in past six like if there was any time to do it now is already too late yeah you know what I mean so many people enjoy the air pods they became the subject of a meme recently oh they're hella mean really oh yeah I don't follow them I just the memes are pretty good it's like people will start Facebook events called like airpot air pod owners Meetup uh-huh what feel left out as a meme though and so then everyone shows up wearing air pods and it looks ridiculous Oh everybody walks in wearing q-tips how yeah the day they got released I remember I was in San Francisco and I was walking around the city and I was just like oh my god we're robots now everyone's wearing these things the only one that I saw was is if somebody was wearing air pods you just immediately assumed that they can't hear anything so so like crazy stuff would be happening behind them like you know emergency situations and they'd be completely oblivious I was the only meme that I kind of saw which may not be too far from the truth but they're not very good at noise like like ambient noise cancellation they're not really meant for them they're not really good at anything no no can I can I say that a reliable connection can I say that unless the year an Apple user unless you're into that ecosystem if you have an iPhone they're really cool because you literally just open them and if you've never picked so pairing here's the thing like I yeah yeah no that that's the w1 chip oh did the moonship yeah no the Terminator - chip no but like okay so I have to hand it to Apple there are certain things like for example right now I just published daily and it's literally like I just got the file from Diego I downloaded it on my iPad I edited everything on Photoshop the the mobile version whatever I then air-dropped it to my Mac in seconds and published that at that level of convenience and so grabbing a pair of air pods of you own any Apple product like for example because if you put security on your Apple watch the simple fact that you open your computer because you have a passcode on your watch if it detects that your watch is closed it'll unlock the computer without your hat but sometimes it's cool those levels of conveniences are very hard to describe but it's what makes people like Apple products like for example walking and like if I order anything on an Apple store and I walk close to it if I'm getting close to that Apple store I order something immediately my display will pop up with the order information just to walk in and pick my stuff up dude it's like walking into a Vegas casino and then you get text messages for that advertisers I am i ordered a macbook a couple months a month ago and I returned it I want it I wanted to make sure you said that but that order process was crazy like so I ordered it right then I got a call from someone that night that was like hey we're just from the Apple Store just making sure you ordered this and we want to make sure like it gets to you and it'll be there within a few days thanks and I was like okay usually people don't call me when I order things and then I start getting text messages every day it was like you order we'll be there in one day you ought to be there in 16 hours and it was just like I got constant text message I don't get anything really I don't get any of that maybe it's a new you opted into something problem yeah maybe but it was weird I've never bought anything and then had an updated life span racking up all call it spam I guess so yeah well the thing is we have a lot of talk about spending money especially in places that maybe we're not supposed to because not only is Apple trying to like make up a lot of their revenue in various device centric ways but as you said March 25 seems like it's going to be a software event and this is one of the pieces of news out of there Apple apparently wants to make it so that new subscriptions and this is that's what it was yeah so new subscriptions where you have okay yeah cuz I know a lot of the stuff in the show is gonna be somewhat controversial there's a lot to say about just the sort of that of the show the nature of these things so new subscriptions for things like you've got any examples off the top of your head New York Times Wired yeah so maybe let's say $10 a month Apple is going to make an aggregate of all of that for the news application on their iPhones and iPads and all that but if you're going to subscribe to any one of these publications through the app Apple one half of that revenue yeah they want to literally take 550 percent of the publishers revenue no that's stupid how unreal is that that's what irony percent is unreal I mean I know and that's for apps like general apps we've got berated for having 30% on the App Store and Apple wants 50% and everyone was saying like Tim Cook's gonna come out originally and say 50 and then by the time that event actually happens I'll be like no what are you touching it's not 50 25 so either way though that's insane that's like basically you're literally it's like extortion like you do you want exposure that like Google News suddenly taking 50% of all like Google News has existed forever yeah yeah it's like them just being like yeah we're gonna take yeah but the problem is already the problem with Google News is you can't pay to get in yeah that's the difference this Apple news thing is a subscription it's a subscription and anybody anybody like if we want it to be on Apple News we could if we paid but yeah it's a 150 I hadn't read into that part 50% like okay so like I think maybe they could take like 10 but like so you think that the 30 for general apps is already ridiculous yeah okay yeah no I'm not I'm not I'm not refuting I'm not necessarily ridiculous because like Google Google Apple they're hosting everything yeah like that all the developers have to make it but they're hosting everything they're doing the in-between so 30 is kind of reasonable actually it's not that bad like I'm gonna be it could be a little bit lower but my 50% especially for publishers you're already um freak you save 10 so the service will get some buck for every subscription to a news web ok first subscription for a new service a new service yeah I would say 10 do you do I do any of you guys ever get past do you ever pay to get past those pay walls on major news websites like that so mmm I pay for Wired but it's a crazy cheap it's like it's $10 a year and you get the magazine hmm what yeah so you get the magazine every month and you get unlimited that'd that's cool and there's no ads on their website if you pay that on the bonus I'll do that because they they redid their business model like last year and Nick Thompson is a veteran chief he was like we're making less than $10 per person off ads every year anyway so if we just have them pay up front and they get unlimited access with no ads and the magazine which is super cheap to print hmm that's like really good value for the customer and it's a better experience yeah so and they still gave you four articles a month for free which is not that many but but if you're if you're a junkie for that particular publication yeah yeah and 10 bucks a year yeah that by the way I just love the magazine that's why I got it there you go listeners and viewers that 10 one thing we were using as an example really that's just a hypothetical example like it's not actually $10 a month for New York Times or anything like that with no the yeah what yeah to the New York Times I think it's like I don't remember no it's less it's less than 10 but it isn't looks like $6 yeah it's something crazy like that I was like no that's too cheap for the quality of their product right I do yeah for sure like particularly the New York Times man like I have a lot of respect for their work you know I think it's just whether or not people actually pay for it because of the nature of the internet well as a crass way of looking at this move do you think that this is just their way of trying to make up for like lost revenue in there it's it's cut its kind of nickel and diming right like it's crazy okay yeah okay so look at it this way if you're if you want to if you want to have your product and target target doesn't buy your product it's like in Spanish you call it con signal they will rent you the space where your product is going to be yeah and they make a commission over what you sell and depending on how much you pay is the placement that you'll have this business model has existed forever show me this is the way show me is the monster they they are because I controlled it they control the App Store yes this is the way these Chinese companies are so popular or so or so powerful let's face it I mean in the case of Apple they kind of in they didn't invent the concept online but iTunes is pretty much like one of the biggest examples of success yeah and so I don't mind them getting a cut because building the infrastructure to be able to make something like this rare is significant and in Apple's case their biggest benefit like I'm okay with it when it comes to apps because they own the platform yeah plus they own the operating system plus they own everything if they created the egos they created the ecosystem they created everything so in their case it's fine but is it correct for you to write an article and then free your heed for the guy that's going to edit your article you wrote it you spend time on it yeah but then the guy that looked at your article and made sure that the formatting was right and helped get the thumbnail on it and then publish it is it correct for his name to be on the byline no cuz his job is only to serve the purpose of publishing it but it's your work rayray so why should I'm not saying that he shouldn't get credit for your work I'm saying that it's still your article yeah yeah so should he get 50% of the credit no no because it's your article the curator should not be able to take half yeah of that revenue from the actual intellectual property right exactly Yeah right it's it's like apples doing very little work in this case also the fact that the Apple News platform has existed for a long time yeah it's just like Google News has also existed for a long time and they're just reusing their platform to try to get an additional revenue stream and like publishers are already hurting and I'm pretty sure they know that thing about it is publishers okay publishers haven't really figured out something better that's the problem yeah that is the biggest problem it's been how many years I mean think about it Steve Jobs was still alive and I for me it's like when he came on board and he showed iBooks and newsstand yes he showed off newsstand for the iPad when when the iPad 2 launched and he was like we really want to protect the New York Times and we really want to protect the Wall Street Journal because we don't want to become a nation of vloggers that's what he said we won't you don't want to turn into a nation of bloggers and I get it like you know I'm not a journalist they are so from for me it's it's I get the point but why get 50% of the cut yeah well different visions for different times clearly I'll tell you this much here's the thing publishers are not obligated to use Apple and I wish that publishers would be like you know what Apple no I get it like I but I'm not obligated to have my product and what if I mean why is it now these publications because you and I are outraged right now the question is if they're outraged because if I would write outrage from my content to be I'll give you an example rnm cn1 sorry that they've reached out a couple of times with them they're like we've got the sponsorship opportunity and we're gonna have no we've got this like platform and it's gonna be really cool and the revenue split is 50/50 no questions asked and I'm like I just don't respond to the email yeah and then three weeks later they'll write me and they'll be like we offer visits that we offer this and what's up and I'm like yeah I write them I just respond you said no questions asked Zend yes I I'm not I'm sorry it's my work right yeah yeah and you're just getting half of it for are you serious yeah I'm like no so I wish that publications would do that yeah they would be like no I'm sorry Apple it's great what you did for the music business but what you did for the music business has not worked in the publication business yeah well let's talk about entertainment then because not only are subscriptions on news publications being put into question but think of it this way Netflix stars Showtime their video content HBO now perhaps imagine going into one application on an Apple device where you pay one flat fee and you have access to all of them so what would the flat fee be is the question that is a good question yes but that's a great 30 like 20 a month or something I don't know because like some of these are already how much does HBO now HBO now is already well yeah yeah but they would have to make a deal yeah that's it's volume versus price at them but the problem is it's it's it's a it's a very different thing it's like how are how is that revenue going to be split as the question yeah well that's the thing Apple apparently if March 25th is going to be when they announced this kind of stuff Apple is actually trying to do this they are trying to get video subscription services to opt into a single subscription model where you basically have one login one tap pay and you get all access to all of these ones how dependable TV right so depending on matters yeah depending on who the partners actually are yeah you don't know what content yes this is the problem but there's a thing there Apple is asking for 30 percent from the video subscription services there 30 percent 30 the same that get from apps I just don't see how this would work right because like people like Netflix and like Netflix raise their their price by a dollar last year yeah if they had to write like HBO like most people on HBO watched like Game of Thrones and that's kind of it and they still pay $10 and bill more well and so like if advil takes 30% like I don't think that HBO or Netflix is gonna be like oh yeah the extra volume we're gonna get is gonna make up for that 30% I can't see I can't see a lot of those people doing that especially like Netflix because they pay a crapload of money not only for Netflix originals they pay they paid so much money for those originals but they also have to license all of the movies that they have on their platform at any time from the distributors like they pay a lot for that I don't here's the thing I think that if Apple continues down their path mm-hmm Amazon is gonna lay out devourer yeah cuz I pay one flat fee yeah it's called Amazon Prime yep it's a hundred well now it's like 120 bucks oh you haven't paid in like three years because I complain about shipments ever so an extra month a year yeah but that's a really good example prime video if you think about it prime is what Apple is trying to be because Prime has finally for it yeah because they have short times they have HBO they have stars right so they actually have all they actually are like I don't mind paying a hundred and twenty dollars a year yeah year ah year yeah and so you get prime music you get Kindle books you get a library yeah you get the Kindle library ouch but you oh you also get Kindle firsts you get prime video you get today shipping you get two day shipping on everything and it's three bucks or a block site at most to get stuff the next day your San Francisco and that's two hours for free exactly dude you walk into Whole Foods yeah and it's cheaper how is Apple gonna compete with that yeah is the question and you walk into an Apple store and your phone shows your order yes but it doesn't help in any way because there's still expensive a lot like it like if Apple came up with a service called Apple Prime for example and you know it would be a limited application Apple ripe biggest problem okay this is the biggest problem that Apple has that I think that they can't see past yes they have a wall walled garden but they have a product ecosystem that stretches like four devices yeah like this is the biggest problem they have they have a watch they have the phone they have the iPad and they have the Mac but then then that's part of the topic the topic is also within this what if Apple would decide to actually start selling all this stuff what do you mean selling iMessage to Android now so you buy the phone and then you have to subscribe to get in it like that's no it's like if you're an iPhone if you're an iPhone you get it but if but of you but if you have an Android phone you can pay so that's part of the rumor somewhat - yeah yeah for those blue bubbles No okay so you deal with my green bubble I have multiple people that like my blue bubbles make them like me less I don't care I never even because I've never owned an iPhone well okay first of all I understand the mentality I yeah i haven't used iMessage enough to actually be upset with all that stuff yeah I know Google Voice so I can't use iMessage but I don't I don't understand these people who see a coloring get a kiss yeah yeah the racist exactly okay before we get too far into that though are there are a couple of device things that are coming up actually one main thing so apparently Apple even though there are rumors that the next iPhones are going to have USB C as its port the whole not gonna do yes and that's the other thing it's probably not gonna happen but in in the rumor of the 2019 iPhones adopting USB see there was the hope that the charging brake would also get update to provide fast charging its no no no 2020 well here's I want you to quick reactions to this thought it's because Apple wants to cut the cost of providing peripherals and accessories see try it tried it you remember the time when HTC decided they weren't gonna include the wall plug the the brick they will just no able Nintendo did that too yeah with the with the 3ds they didn't include a charter that's true we assumed that everyone had a DS before so they didn't know that they didn't assume that was just this morning goodbye effort 20 hours in great PR jargon yeah I I have a question for you guys some so here's the thing I remember we had this podcast I didn't know where we were but we did pop we did it one of these podcasts in a hotel room a few months like in London maybe a year ago London yeah that was at my altar oh is it an October I think we talked about I was a five-person caster yeah yeah I think we talked about whether or not I'm kokand would drop this is before they launched the iPad pro with us BC yeah I was very surprised that they moved to us BC personally because they make so much freaking money an awesome licensing from laning yeah that I never ever thought they would move any of their products off of lightning I thought that they would add lightning ports to their max and still have you as VC on their max but also have like one or two lightning jacks that's what I was thinking to think there should be a lightning port on top of the standard well this lady's just like reversed USBC right yes same throughput but a different shape yeah and that they own and so they makes like every time a case manufacturer makes a case that utilizes that Jack they gotta pay Apple yeah how they make so much money from that like I'm surprised that they even moved off the iPad because they don't want they don't money off of products they want money off of your subscription they want they want they want profits out of everything no oh no I get like get free money from a case manufacturer like why wouldn't you know right well I'd feel like they get that anyway it's just a matter of like like one category of product is just not but they still make money on everything from the air point of view like what is what is the point what is the benefit to them of moving to us PC I here's the thing that is a good question I yeah like in the case of the Mac they what is the point of the Mac they moved away from Mac safe you know thunderbolt which was pretty much only an apple thing they moved the way out of all of this for you know Thunderbolt 3 and USBC to a certain degree it's brought a lot more power to the Mac I feel that it's something we haven't seen I feel that the rumors were that we were gonna get an iPad OS with the launch of this iPad pro my thoughts are that the product was ready the operating system wasn't ready they couldn't just go back and fix it so let's just dump iOS on this thing again while the wall the software Wally a while the software is ready I think that Apple couldn't get something enlightening that USBC hell but but I feel but I feel that you we won't be able to see it until that operate exactly that there's that or maybe because they own lightning which is through a USB see Jack mm-hmm maybe they eventually want to move over their products over because they know everyone's adopting lightning like a lot of laptop manufacturers are putting better do our Thunderbolt Thunder I'm sorry that's all not lightning care yeah a lot of laptop manufacturers are putting Thunderbolt in their laptops now and Thunderbolt is owned by Apple no it's an Intel thing yeah Thunderbolt is Intel 5 no that's intriguing lightning and thunder both we need a new one like rockslide Thunderbolt that's the reason why I always connected pcs don't have Thunderbolt what waters it's an Intel thing we should be caught water gun until engineer you should know this alright last one before we go to our break okay just uh this is about iPhone users but I'm a part of my my gut feeling is that everybody is guilty of this right now over the last two years of smartphones just getting better and better and better has your app have your app purchases increased now they've become zero really yeah mine have become zero what I spend a lot on our services oh I thought you I thought you're gonna say in-app purchase they bought a fine like being Spotify and YouTube TV are like I guess about five or two dollars a month Oh baby well I'm the family plan owner well apparently 36% more in 2018 is the amount that people were spending on apps for iPhone users iPhones yes oh so that could be in that purchases maybe but let's look at the breakdown more than half of it was spent on games I was I was about to say like there has been this like resurgence of gaming mobile gaming because of things well probably one of the biggest hits that one of the biggest hits for Apple was having fortnight on the iPhone before any other mobile blood I read a story two days ago that fortnight mobile and iPhone makes a million dollars a day there yeah purchases there yeah so everyone else probably saw that and was like we need a chunk of that well so that's the reason why there's even more thought that that event will be all about services and software but anyway real quick more than half was spent on games eight dollars went to entertainment five dollars went to music like an increase over the number of years four dollars and 40 cents to social networking which I think should be higher personally and networking social networking apps what kind of money could be made off social networking apps oh you mean like buying things on Instagram maybe or a door or like add a vast majority of it is either entertainment or lifestyle so and note that none of this said news I mean like maybe because they've made their price yeah but but you can't make in-app purchases on Netflix you have to in it yeah yeah they'll pull which I think it's the smartest thing it's like you can build your app you can provide your services just pull yank people out of the app take them to the browser have them pay from the on the browser and that's it because life's connected it feels like I'm not paying that company I it doesn't really matter I mean it's it's one of those things where it's like again in the case of Netflix where their profits are like so cutthroat yeah you know think about it I just I feel it 30% is like come on it's a it's a lot and and it's it's 30% and they're not allowed to charge differently over what they charge in their own store yeah so it's like if it's 999 or 1199 in their store that Apple I'm not sure about this but I kind of get the feeling that Apple forces them to to keep that same number on their store but then they have to get 30 percent in the cut probably so I think I think here's the difference on that on the App Store app store if Apple did not provide an app store these developers would have literally nowhere to host their apps they'd have to host them on XDA or some or something right yeah yeah yeah no I think yeah I'm again that's why I'm saying in the case of the app store I'm totally four or more to your point earlier Amazon had an app store Hey yeah oh he had a Kindle yeah well they still have an Amazon App Store you have to sideload apps on exactly iPhone from but that is still the alternative Amazon comes back again I'm just saying I'm okay with them charging 30% for the App Store app store because without a platform you can't sell your product yeah Netflix has an incredibly established platform they don't need Apple mm-hm and so it apples saying give us 30% and we'll include you in this thing they have no incentive to do that because like most of their markets saturated anyway and everyone already has the Netflix app from the Apple App Store mmm you know all right well I want to make sure that we spend quite a bit of time on our next few topics but first we're gonna head to our break thank you so much for listening to the pocket not weekly we certainly want to be making the show if it weren't for you but we'd certainly appreciate knowing a little bit more about you so that we can match you with better advertisers to talk to you that way we can continue making the show better again for you you can take a 10-minute survey by heading to pod survey comm slash pocket now we link your answers to your email address and we won't spam your inbox plus anyone who takes the survey has a chance to get a $100 Amazon gift card that's pod survey calm / pocket now we really appreciate your support so first off saying this very innocently and then we'll get into the actual meat of the story how would you feel if the next pixel phone was modular oh boy how would you feel about the modular phone coming at all at this point we're getting foldables we're getting punch holes what mod is modular even still a thing I don't care anymore I would I would not mind a modular product if it were like that rumor from LG were there's the phone and you can attach another screen to it to extend its functionality whenever you want to sort of a little mod no one like that but there was no moto mod screen ya know in the case of the moto mods I think that the design was not practical like but that's just the way I see it it did back them into a corner because it was just that that's the way it has to be designed everything has to adhere to that exact same back yeah exactly to make it compatible well a patent had become too light that Google filed despite killing project aura back in 2016 that a modular phone that basically was oh yeah the diagram is probably being shown right now as Jules is probably putting it up there just basically a screen a bezel list screen phone that can be put into certain certain let's say cases and certain bits of it can be attached to and whatnot and article an article was coming out saying that this patent shows that the next pixel could be a modular how does this patent show that and now here we are really patent things constantly yes so that if any point in the future at any given time before anybody else yeah they just it's 50 years that they get to own it for copyright yeah so original chance I can tell that Jules picked this story for us not just because of the interesting topic of the modular phone and the patent what else but also but also because he's here also gave me an article citing a very a very in-depth and just very opinionated article by Stephen no well yeah that one was referenced as well so we'll give a shout out to Stephen over at nine to five but David wrote a critic oh yeah was it the article that he wrote about that's how that is our Eagle he wrote about the fake news that's basically clickbait yeah because it says here exclusive yeah Google pixel for could be a fully customizable public modular yeah yeah so it's it's a patent guys it is a diagram of something that is conceptual yeah it is the LA Auto Show it is a concept car you will never drive yeah until someone finally decides to actually make it but you don't know that by looking at the concept car you get fifty years on a patent like of course you're gonna like have a cool idea and then patent it because like then maybe in ten years the technology will be there but that's the reason why we have infomercials for freaking crazy products that don't make any sense there's some one patent today but that kind of led me to some questions I wanted to ask you guys I mean we all work for news news organizations let's say news websites the fact that the sensationalism of this article was so blatantly overblown for the sake of clicks and let 'ln and mind you that particular article over at wait a second but it was written by David no no David a reaction David wrote a reaction article to a t3 article this was the t3 article well let's just stay away from BG are you will not believe this so like what would yeah it's just that we we all in some ways think about just a way to get the click onto the news article or onto the YouTube video YouTube is obviously like the reigned supreme in terms of clickbait but I don't know I just I just wonder what you guys's reactions or to this type of stuff that is actually happening within deep parts of our industry because it's easy to over blow speculations easy to over blow leaks and I'm proud to say that you know every every every personality and publication that is represented in this podcast right now is not guilty of that right you go for the anti I'll go for the pro your pro yeah I'm gonna let you guys do that that battery is about to die so keep talking there's gonna be a little bit of darkness on the video so our sorry viewers but we'll get into it why don't we pause it here and start again so we could do that too yeah okay David you were just gonna about that you gently did it you were just about to get into your side of this I don't know III showed her to actually bring it up bring this topic up because I know it's like it's like walking it's a hot lava in a way well it's a difficult topic but actually very recently I don't know if you follow like all the people here and in our club industry thing on Twitter but it's actually been kind of a hot discussion recently with a lot of the Android bloggers people because specifically because their sites that have been bringing up things that are like creating these sensationalists news hit pieces that are just like so obviously untrue but it's so obviously tailored to get your click and then you read it and then you're just like why did I just wasted last 10 seconds of my life reading that obvious I mean the obvious things are like there's like a lot of Forbes articles that are written about this which is kind of sad because Forbes used to be a very notable publication but they also hire for hire people and this is something that was interesting to me that I thought about recently because Steven Holl and David Roddick whoever in this conversation on Twitter and they were talking about how it's almost like it's almost like a dirty word or like not OK for us to bring up the fact that there's a lot of like fake news in our industry and we just kind of don't talk about it right because like if we do talk about it it just seems like not ok but like we should bring that up because like there's a reason that like our industry is like not taken seriously as like legit news because like because there is a lot of like sensationalism and fake news and that's the nature of Internet news media obviously you made the he made the point earlier about about Steve Jobs saying you know we're becoming a nation of bloggers and all that yeah which I you know I have to say do you know I sorry to interrupt you yeah ok the I just want to make the point that I I see a distinction between 5 news and clickbait like if you are literally reporting the news then but in in a way that you're gonna get click like but that's the headline in my in my eyes that's the headline is the way that you get somebody in right and as long as you're not blatantly making things up right because the the headline for this article could have easily have been Google files patent for potential for future modular or smartphone I think the term the modular smartphone is enough but they had to put google pixel for and exclusive yeah yeah so this is this is where it gets kind of weird like even at the end they could have said Google files patent for potential modular smartphone could it be the pixel for yeah that could have been clickbait obviously is that the worst thing ever I don't know saying it's an exclusive and then saying okay I have if they would listen let's read the title exclusive google pixel for could be a fully customizable modular smartphone I feel like that's misleading also the by the the what was the term for that again the the pre I don't know the term anyway right below it it says looks like the missing link between project our subjects thank you looks like the missing link between project ara ara and moto mods that's all that's all that's all opinion being disguised as yeah so I know I don't feel the title is that misleading it's not that I'm trying to defend the guy it's just okay if you've got a patent you're literally a year away from the next variant listen it's not just them like go to almost like we we're in the the problem with our industry is it's funny how much I get comments on the daily where it's like this is rumor now they but what else are we gonna how many we truly we see they're like like like like and particularly in in are okay so we don't have this like we don't have the venture capital nor do we have like this sea of reporters we don't go to CES with a truck full of reporters and a team and so the problem one of the biggest difficulties in the way we cover the news is we're a team of a few people and as a team of a few people we don't have that infrastructure to do the double-checking you know the whole journalistic portion of it plus because we don't have an army of people that's going to be reporting the news immediately there's a slight possibility that you're gonna end up catching the news until later and so what's the thing I tell you guys every time the podcast is published I'm like that title is not seo-friendly oh and I and I completely agree with that that's just like the name of the game one it's it's so we want that we kind of didn't create the Beast the Beast is called Google it's called search yeah and it's called it's it's the whole what's the problem the problem is that lately ad revenue is like this is such a big conversation and revenue has dropped significantly and people are not making the same money that they were making we've we've seen a couple of publications recently being sold yeah in and out it's just becoming a common thing yeah and so you know a lot of people are being forced to do pull of BGR which is you will not believe what happened to this person and it's like reading the Chum box at the end of each article all the time yeah you will not believe the IQ of Donald Trump's son you know stuff like that and so it's not that I'm trying to defend them I just feel that the that the root cause of the problem is not lack of ethics yeah I think yeah I think that's a very valid point I think that it's not lack of ethics I will give you an example there have been a couple of Fridays where I'm like it's a pattern and this is like the only hot news and I'm at cut out and I need to film the daily and so it's like I don't put that in the title nor do I but at some point I'm like I kind of like what's the purpose of me reporting on this yeah if I don't give it an angle that will to a certain degree you know provide any sort of value proposition that that's the thing and so a lot of what we do is interpretation as well we read a lot of editorial content that's opinion based so I do I I do agree I don't like the whole exclusive part yeah fine that one is fine that's an exclusive to the US pen also that patent was published at the Patent Office March 31st of last year so had they gotten their hands on us at the time it could have been like the pixel three is gonna be the modular phone which i think is the thing just jumping into something to create almost something out of nothing is my whole thing I'm an advocate as you've heard me say back when I was working with you was that if you if you can't figure out what's important about this sometimes that's the story it is valid enough to say guys there's probably nothing here but it's interesting to look at this diagram you see what could have been can you read the headline again exclusive Google pixel four could be a fully customizable modular smartphone yeah literally six of those words are unsubstantiated so I think the problem with this headline though is that it doesn't even mention the patent well the article itself just not to discredit the actual work that was put into this I says Steven over at 9 to 5 said some serious work was put into making this one patent expound into so many different things that none of us know anything about come on there's a website called Apple Insider and that's all it does yeah I'm sure that's listen it's just that's what they do like there are industries built around this and I love you know there are certain cases of certain leaks there are certain quote-on-quote like leakers that are famous and they will literally they won't type in this this product could no they were like this well we will have this yeah this phone we'll have that yeah then there's the other problem going back to the topic of where is where is the ethics issue I mean there are certain leaks and we know this there are certain leaks that are out of the control of companies there are others that are controlled yeah come on yeah yeah easily yeah there are others that are controlled and obviously well you know what's gonna happen if you get the exclusive what are you gonna do you gonna choose to see you you won't report it right the biggest problem is our industry even if you know even if there is so much happening very often there's a good chunk of the year we're all we survive on are rumors rumors leaks that's and speculation it's and speculation so it's it's a very difficult topic it's just it's very hard for me to take either side because I understand the publications that are struggling I to a certain degree understand others that I've had to turn into more click Beatty I mean come on man this looks like reality TV to a certain degree yeah it's like it's like it's like MTV today it's become weird you know it's about anything but music yeah and so come on man once you have a publication like Forbes using clickbait t titles you realize there's a problem yeah there's a problem in the industry as a whole yeah so I guess what I wanted to get to and I don't even know if we have like substantial answers to this question but do you have any tips for the discerning reader who might be coming or viewer though I know YouTube is kind of the Wild West so let's let's oh my let's let's just understand that from the outset but the discerning reader who's trying to look for just stuff to read like the things that they should at least be a little bit diligent to do any tips for things to avoid not really things to avoid but just to stay properly informed rather than just I guess my tip would be don't buy into the hype every single time watch the pocket out daily if you like to keep up with the potential and the possibility yeah because I understand that don't just wait for the announced because I think like I I've never really prescribed to I'm not saying that there shouldn't be room repose and speculation and leaks and all that stuff I'm not saying it's a bad thing per se I just don't prescribe to it I just did I just choose to let the noise go by me because I would prefer to just get all of the right information or rather I'm privileged enough to be at those events so I like to actually enjoy the event rather than sit there and go I saw this a week ago yeah I think I think I have the first answer I don't know I like we have another one over dispose it that was okay let's do you think you can replace the light yeah yeah okay go you can let's take a little break I'm gonna keep the audio keep everything recording and keep everything adding I have the perfect answer for that when Latinos are like yeah but I spread it on Facebook there's also the the Asian parent conundrum where anything that the parent heard from a relative hasn't got to be true oh your uncle just told me that you don't go just told me that you know there are gangs running around just cutting people's feet off okay and you know you're gonna be next because for some reason you know like that kind of stuff or my favorite example because I'm living it right now every one of me and ESA's older relatives once again taquito just because one person that they know said hey I did keto and I'm feeling great well I want to feel great my mom like she like you leave it that high it's fine she thinks that there is a thing called like starvation mode in your body and my college they were like you don't eat for like a day then your body will start retaining fans and I told em like mom that doesn't exist and she's like well my doctor like to me then haha and I like love your daughter did not tell you that there's no way your doctor ever told you that also there's also as I just remembered something this is gonna be part of my answer okay I got this is gonna be so epic also by the way as a diabetic I have to say a lot of the things that a classically trained doctor will tell you is wrong all right I have a nutrition that I just need to round this out real quick a nutrition this once told me after I was diagnosed with diabetes that I still had to eat at least 100 carbs a day like grams all right so I have an answer for grams of carbs yes I come from a culture Latin America where you will have people come to you and be like yes but I read it on Facebook like of course there are me years that are like oh it was on Facebook it must be true yeah listen I all right we are at a in a very the word is not shady but we're in a very difficult crossroad in time where I used to date somebody you met her I think you met her too to date somebody who literally diets depending on certain things that she reads from people on Instagram from influencers powerful job oh my god okay my response is no comment you can't control what tip you can't control the information all you can be is discerning about the source yes and like for example every single time that I read an article the first thing that I do is like Wikipedia source source and I go to the source and I go to the source and I keep doing that peeling up until I go to the base article and I see exactly because every single publication alone yeah and every single publication to provide it their own twist will speak of the same thing differently yeah and so my advice is first of all remember it's the Internet yeah all right one number two even facts in certain cases are subjective all right everything is set to interpretation I mean so can we can eat I've seen come on man how much time do we follow the iPhone 5 leaks the teardrop iPhone design yadda yadda yadda and it was all confirmed and boom we got a very different iPhone 5 and then I'm gonna give you as we say in Spanish the way that it went though like I'll flip the coin around with the iPhone let's just use one product what the first generation iPhone have been as popular as it was if it wasn't for a full year of leaks and rumors about Apple's new crazy about Apple's new phone yeah right they these companies need the buzz yeah even if they don't want to admit it this is what keeps their product in the spotlight because they can't launch a phone every day they can't make news every day yeah so rumors are the best way for them to remain in the spotlight and for their brand to be repeated and repeated they're not politicians you know so there's nothing there's not news they can't manufacture a phone every day so how do you keep people locked into your content with somewhat less summon up in your color every month yes not listen dude I think that that's a fabulous strategy I think it is I think that that is a genius strategy yeah that is the smart way to keep in the spotlight and so I'm not trying to defend everybody I'm just like we're all adults yeah there's a reality to this that we shouldn't have that we can't we're all adults just because somebody is saying that something is really good on Instagram come on man yeah I mean I will I will bet I respect people that have gone through four or five six years of college to know exactly how to provide me the information which is the reason why I have so much respect for the Wall Street Journal and for the New York Times and for the Washington Post because there's though everybody in there studied to be in there that's why they're there yeah you know so everything else is like I could be wrong you know I love what I do and I'm very passionate about what about my line of work but you know I'm I'm not an engineer I know that I get I am outclassed by other people that aren't you know so that yeah I mean we respect where respect is due I still all back where respect is due yeah I and I I said by the way another shout out to David and to Stephen at your respective websites at Andhra police and also at 9:00 to 5:00 good job good good job actually like bringing this up because it's something that deserves to be discussed and now for the last small portion of this I actually really like the way that this is all coming together let's move from when let's say I'll use the term a blogger what from when a blogger does this kind of embellishment of the of the truth or embellishment of the facts and when a company does it so oh my god we got a little bit of fab g'tok illegal and on that note yeah it's been a long road for 18 t trying to create a 5g Network so there's this is this is the the equivalency I feel like where you have to kind of read a little bit further into a story to really know what the truth is and well that's what they're praying off of well in a way but 18 t they were saying that their speeds on the 5g network could get up to 1.5 gigabits which is which is 4G which is still LT yeah yeah so after a fresh round of testing they have found out that the speeds they've seen in the lab had been brought out to the field the company announced I had tested a mobile phone that a mobile phone form-factor on the network in a field location and recorded a ping of 18 milliseconds and a down of nearly 1.5 field with no congestion and also the image below it had the file name with the words with the letters MWC tagged on it so maybe 18 T is gonna come to the show and go look what we did but everyone hates them right now why should not come the only device that has access to a 5g Plus network though is a Netgear hotspot nice that's the fine print is that a very specifically made product for this very test yeah is what's able to make it happen thick and also there is fine print there that also says this does not reflect current user experience 5g Plus beads which are there yeah exactly there aren't any it's just like I even like I dedicated a spot on a daily when I when I saw the information I'm like no yeah how can you call this 5g what a big xud that's why and I honestly I I never celebrate things like this at this time yeah but let's let's remind our listeners and viewers that what the suing are happening right now all right spray because that yes that is that is coming up next funny about this it's like who use a sprint right oh are here today this is like these my sister uses so much I know wrong person to use a sprint I asked them why and they said cuz I'm locked into that unlimited playing baby and I'm never getting off and I was like well that's why they that's why they call it only to get bought by t-mobile and when they do it'll be better well that's why they call it grandfathered in because you're gonna be a grandpa alright so yes Sprint suing 84 the Bri the rebranding yeah the rebranding of their 4G LTE dude I'm sorry it's misleading to 5ge they should not only be sued by Sprint they should be sued they should be fined by the Justice Department and like forced to like in Europe this would not fly mm-hmm like there are major consumer like laws in Europe that help companies not mislead people well yeah and okay so 18 t users and roughly 400 markets are seeing the 5ge icon I mean there you're not I'm barely getting everyone was giving Apple flak because for it oh but that's the worst part yeah so I don't think that the worst part is the AT&T branding but the fact that it's being seen on iPhones which are way way dude like they are way like if like at least these these snapdragon 845 smartphones are multi gigabit capable yeah yeah they are capable of 1.5 gigabits right now on LTE if there were such a thing as a network that would provide them yeah that was lighter remaining to see something like yeah yeah yeah like there are countries that actually provide beads that they sell you Estonia yes yes no there are countries whereas here it's fantastically you get 150 megabits down but you have to go to a certain area on a certain Street and 57th yeah to be able to get that if that turned out to be the way that 5g actually rolled out it would look like when Pokemon go first came out everyone is just in one area so apparently Sprint said that a service dolla scooting sprint said a survey showed 54% of 18 tees consumers believed their 5g network is the same as or better than a 5g network you know it's weird I didn't think that I would hear people actually talking about regular consumers you're actually talking about 5g because we've been going to we've been like working with Qualcomm and going covering 5g for the last like four years yeah and like finally finally finally it's kind of finally happening but like I still didn't think I would hear regular consumers use that word until like 2021 yeah and I had I had two different people asked me last week about 5g and I gave them a little rundown but one day it's gonna sound like the British are coming 5g is too slow one day is gonna sound like the British are coming is 5g really coming yeah Bhaiji tell me about 5g and the rest of this quick quote off of that story is a 43% believed that if they bought if they buy an AT&T phone today it would be capable of running 5g so it's clearly misleading yeah exactly yeah forty forty three percent is not small it's like Tomos that a hybrid is an electric car truly LTE is part of the components of G right but it's not a fully electric car Reyes yeah well honestly sub six gears the the reality of this one point five gigabit per second speed is that AT&T actually did say that people know consumers early consumers using 5g found that it delivered over millimeter wave spectrum which is called 5g plus to them they've experienced ranges of 200 to 300 megabits per second and so that's like the lower portion of LTE yep the lower portion yeah like like see that's the thing you know what the problem is this is okay I'm gonna use the perfect analogy for this the New York City Subway everybody in New York says that the subway here is fabulous because they've never been to Europe yeah or Japan they've never been they've that they don't realize how bad the subway here is yeah norther they realize how bad carrier services are and I get right yeah I get it Europe is probably the size of Texas and a little more so being able to connect all those countries requires a lot less infrastructure a lot less difficulty so fine I from I've always defended the situation in the United States because it's very difficult for you to provide such great quality service to such a large country it is difficult I I have to say that but don't tell me it's 5g this ain't helping yeah this is not helping for exactly yeah don't make it worse yeah and we've been taught the heck is 5g evolution like no stop just stop even Qualcomm does not go as far as to embellish it like that it's just it's 5g yeah it's just gonna be what's next yeah and and guess what what's next involves a lot of what we're using now yeah yeah like they're trying to make it sound like it's this completely new alien thing but yeah it's uh it's it no matter what on the broad spectrum there are people companies whoever trying to get those eyeballs in and I guess an eighties case they actually kind of succeeded which is the reason why they might deserve to be in big trouble yeah look unless you live in a top-five major city in the world you don't need to buy a 5g phone in 2019 nobody it's like the smartwatches yeah do you need a SmartWatch no they're just really cool to have yeah that's the same thing five G there will come a time where vehicles will be better interconnected where there will be more IOT like right now it's it's kind of a not a good idea to buy you know into a lot of IOT devices that are not 5g compatible because it's one v out there just about to go obsolete yeah you know I don't know I like I was like shoot I really want to buy that new Amazon echo and I was like no I'll buy the echo dot because it's less expensive yeah I'll get similar functionality and you know because I don't want to go all out on something that's gonna be obsolete in the year yeah I am really enthusiastic over 5g and the capabilities I mean we've seen the demos we've seen everything that it brings I really want into it it's just this is like LT there are growing pains it's not immediate it takes time the good thing is you know this is not like LT to a certain degree 5g needs to piggyback on LTE to exist therefore it makes it a more simpler spectrum then in the case of LT where it's a completely different thing when compared to CDMA GSM and everything like LT it was just completely different you know it required a separate antenna yada-yada-yada not not the case here and I can't wait like I can't wait I can't wait for 5g to come for people that don't want to make the move to remain on LT and that will remove congestion from LTE I'm just gonna say one thing dear carriers do not do what you did with HSPA+ aka 4G with LTE have you ever tried 4G on AT&T not a long time that's like 1g oh yeah yeah it's literally if you get a vanilla if you get a 4G icon on your phone it means you've got nothing all of these layers to it you know just to just to put some ease in the users my over yeah yeah it's crazy but yeah I think that that was a pretty pertinent way of putting it down like you know it's LTE was I felt like LTE was kind of coming in a trickle all these companies are trying to like shove 5g all at once and it's just not gonna work that way but we just live in a time you need to have everything and you need to be excited all the time you know rather than just saying okay well you know maybe it's gonna come it guys it's going to come just don't you don't have to buy into all of the hype right now and get misled the way a lot of these people do yeah we'll be doing the same thing in like a couple years and be like alright we're on it yeah we're using it right now it's like oh it's great I'm live streaming every movie right now and I can't wait for six G all right well on that note that is it for the weekly that's the real way out yeah our theme music is bloom by Minerva courtesy of a royalty-free license with Argo Fox you can learn more in this episode's description follow our crew on Twitter our producer extraordinaire Jules Wong who picked all of the stories for this particular episode since we were all so busy this week he did a great job of putting it all 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where I was even in the early days of Twitter I did not have at Josh Beauregard oh but I am at JV tech t you me I love tech and I also love to drink too alright so the other thing about Jamie take the I actually have another handle on Instagram called be Joshua Vergara I can't believe that was available that's my personal account that I have not used at all yeah because yeah look for this look for tonight we should all get the are names I felt really weird yeah that's a cool yeah that was like that all right pocket now is add pocket now on twitter facebook Instagram and YouTube in English and espanol where you can find more news on the Pagano daily and parnell add audio every weekday catch up on what the weekly is talking about at pocketnow.com slash podcast also make sure you make your voices heard by emailing us podcast at pocketnow.com we'd certainly appreciate your feedback through reviews and ratings on Google Apple Spotify / casts or wherever you happen to be streaming us because 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