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gather back around we are not done talking about the iPhone 10's just yet in fact there are a few more things that we can learn from Apple and that we need to think about today before you your friends or your family go out buying stuff this holiday season and we've got the best effing team in mobile tech to basically think about it we're gonna talk to I think that's a pretty call for thing here hello and welcome to episode three to two of the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on Wednesday the 12th of September 2018 from iPhones to Apple watches and not iPads or Macs or other things that got the shaft from all the rumors this week let's get talking em news editor Jules Wong substituting for Joshua of regard today howdy to y'all joining in today is a veritable team of excellence in mobile tech bored at work it's the lightning in our coffee breaks it's thunder II and among air today I'm gonna steal trope for a second here from NPR and Sam Sanders what are the three words that you you're feeling after this event same expensive and ripoff really oh that is a very sharp take right at the top and hot flying in and I feel like we're gonna have a fun time talking about this we welcome a new guest also to our show a mobile tech sojourner across the youtubes but these days he's working with unique digital assets to make a card game he is mark burst diner hello to you and what are your three words greening screenings I think I think I saw the entire thing I think the three words are big iterative health big iterative help I health is a very iterative thing for all of us here but especially for Apple when it talks about its electrocardiograms and whatnot I guess well I'm gonna tell you my three words after I should note that both Jaime and Brandon are also out of the office today but if you want to see Jaime and Joshua Joshua and around there to be on a special episode of the weekly coming up this Friday will tell you more about that at the end of the show in the meantime I feel like my three words are tik-tok yeah that's it like this is the S alright I only needed two but hey like that is this I mean we're talking about s here we're talking about and are here which I like it's the letter before s and I'm not sure how much of that relates to what the whole scheme of the release cycle is for these three iPhones here but um I guess we should start off with the thing that came in chronological order for this keynote and that would be the Apple watch series for obviously as you have a alluded to mark big upgrades in terms of health I want to get the visual up though on our YouTube page here and that is with them well you see here this watch face on the new watch OS 5 that they're teasing is a it's a little much don't you think I'm into it I I mean anybody who's seen anything I've ever said about information and the density of which its presented knows I love me some very high density stuff high density high part year just yeah I want to see a helicopter I'm a helicopter thinker it's hard for me to think about my sneakers man what shirt I'm wearing for the day you know so looking looking at my watch seen quite this much data that like that's exactly what I wanted so for me aside from the the health stuff I really think that the Apple watch is finally something that I want and that watch face is not nothing to do with it so technically I believe we have 11 pieces of information here so inside so we have this analog clock dealing with that and then we have in the four cardinal quadrants within the clock for complications in the corners four of them we have four extra complications and then you have calendar reminders and just general notifications that pier in the rims of the clock when they are needed what do you think of this Anna bond is this a little too much or is this just right having complications on a SmartWatch is or a watch isn't to me it's fine I mean you've got some really good timepieces to have so many complications on there so that is all great and dandy I don't like the design of Apple watch and never have I'm gonna come from the negative aspect of this because I am tired of seeing the rectangular watch that to me is too small for me I have a big wrist so I need lanista 46 or 44 for me just doesn't fit and also again I think design wise I always sees the same I see more complications I'm happy with that I do agree the more information needs to know at the glance the better what it's the same watch in my mind I thought we were gonna have a harder time with software on this but yeah like you have a follow-up on that Marc I just say I think it's the really great example of that second word iterative it this is an iteration and Apple for a long long time since the iPad came out in 2009 has been the name of the game it iterative work evolution not revolution has been the name of the game since about 2009 and this is this is that to a tee you know this is a huge opportunity Capital capitalize on the market that Google has been losing over the last two years with with such a stagnant set of releases on where OS we only just got a reasonable update and it was a little more than a facelift so this this for me I'm an Android user through and through but it's the first time I actually find myself wanting an Apple watch it's a little bit bigger better under the hood and it's it's a lot of the things that I've been looking for from a wearable bigger and better interesting especially as the harwood slims down we just mentioned that 42 millimeter and 46 millimeter sizes they've actually shrunken down by two millimeters apiece so yeah and not great for the heftier of us I shall say me included but also just expanding on that screen with closer to edge to edge kind of meeting up and I know that they make it seem a little bit more immersive than it might or might not be but we all have not had that to go hands-on with this thing yet what they have done though in this iteration is kind of shaking some waves up in the health side of things they have a new electrode I believe or array of electrodes within either I think it's both the backside where the optical heart rate monitor is as well as the digital crown that you use to scroll through whatever interface that you're dealing with and together that makes an electrocardiogram which is both endorsed by the American Heart Association and approved by the FDA so um I know well perhaps you might be the best one to talk about this mark but um what do you think about just being active in how the Apple watch is able to perhaps better accompany or associate that with its mission well Apple has been for last five six years or so really pushing health when health kick came out I did not expect that to be quite such a long tail for them and it really has been the the EKG that they've gotten this device is also like you said approved by by the FDA and I believe it was something like six years ago or so that Samsung first showed off technology capable of something like this for the gear series but they haven't taken it to market yet apples being here it has been surprising to talk about I mean we've heard rumors of diabetic tracking in wearables and just Apple getting into more of the health devices industries these days what do you think of this next step forward and a bomb I mean I do like it I do like the fact that uh beedo that supports it I still have to test it and see we have to see if it works because just because it's endorsed by the FDA doesn't mean it's actually good really doesn't mean that it just means that at least to what they test it is but the thing I don't like and I actually teach this in the tweet I said it's all great and Andy to have an EKG on there my biggest problem again I'm gonna sound negative is the battery life 20 full day app battery life is terror as far as I'm concerned because if I forget to charge it if I trip and fall and I have a heart attack it will not detect my fall and I would be broke because that is when one of the features is that new fall detection thanks to new iris coups and accelerometers but I mean again you make that point it matters if the battery is actually you know active and actually somewhat fall exactly because because my thing is how much battery life am I going to lose running that EKG we all we do know right now that's you know on an Apple watch if you go for a run you might as well just charge that thing right after because yeah you're pretty much done with it so if you go for a run and you use any of the other health features your watch is pretty much done for the day that means it's off your wrist which means you can't do the things you want to do so as as great as it is it to me doesn't do anything if I cannot extend that battery life long enough for me to use the features more than once per day it is undeniable that Apple has a hold of the not just the watch in a SmartWatch industry but the watch industry in general they are best-selling in all of those categories so but I mean series four we I mean we've introduced cellular connectivity in Series three and it's been carried over here swen proof is here but we seem to still have this trouble of dealing of smartwatches either as an accessory or as a fitness partner Fitbit is trying to grow into its rules here in a somewhat awkward way although they do have them as according to the latest market share reports have had some progress lately so um where do you think this move takes Apple or it takes the SmartWater takes anything in that general realm I think it's really fascinating right I think one of the one of the things that Apple has shown that they're pretty consistently good at is connecting with that human side of their their their audience their cost your base and you can see a lot in the design direction they've been moving towards since iOS flattened out that they're they're trying to set up it I think T up to become the the ubiquitous user interface the the thing that might run under the hood of the OS is in her right there they're building and designing these platforms to seamlessly integrate into your life and that's why I think health is such a huge portion of this for them that's their foot in the door they're doing it better than anybody else's right now except from maybe Samsung but the people who trust Apple with that data are gonna trust that trust that data with their doctor and I think this is the first step towards this like really unified look and feel in terms of the UI across multiple devices that Google's been trying for for a very long time for years we said can Apple get better at design faster than excuse me can a Polly at systems faster than Google can get better at service at design and now we're sort of we sort of made it see I disagree I think that Apple has I mean to be honest and fair this will sell to every single Apple customer right and nice that's that's the market but that's it that's why it stops and that is still let's call it Nestle to be fair let's call it 50 percent of the market even if right the problem I see here is that granted the I love the innovation they pushed I love the fact that they throwing all these things in you see you've got EKGs you've got just trip detection and falling let me joke about it but that's still a nice feature especially for someone who's older we've got all these features built in but when you add in the other compliment of fact that it will not last longer than a day it's stuck in an ecosystem that is not your big tour so across the board it is a closed wall garden it doesn't reinvest I see Fitbit as the company who can now granted they still have things that they because of that new acquisition they have to merge to get properly but you know one of the things that one of my buddies who I usually talk about this with a mount show is like smartwatches are dead they truly are fitness lifestyle is where it is which is why I a policeman you so much time on health than the SmartWatch itself and that's what Fitbit does better than both of them as much as Apple watch can give you those if you use a Fitbit you're getting days you'll get team all the things you need just not a lot of these Smart Watch complications in there now can they get that better than Android now Android now has new life with the Snapdragon wear 3100 which brings in some specific features like for instance the you know the sports mode which allows you to workout for 15 hours and I think it dents like 10 percent of your battery so that again adds to what can you know Google or an adidas or something I got doing that ecosystem but I think Fitbit is but I like what at least Apple is pushing the industry to say you have to show up you have to actually do something to compete with us here because they will always own their own wall garden no matter what yeah yeah indeed as far as I can contribute to you with a conversation about that electrocardiogram data they're gonna say that customers are able to stream their data to the cloud I'm not sure whether it's just going to be iCloud or if third party solution in any case yeah it's it's kind of weird to think about that and but and it's sort of lessons the will over your will over what you can do with that data so it's kind of interesting to see how that gets handled and also if it does if Apple really decides to be severing which I don't think they'll do necessarily and just limit it to iCloud that's trying that's that's an ecosystem that you have to get into if you're not part of it already so they're trying to expand the base appeal with these features like trip protection for perhaps the elderly or just electrocardiograms in general but again if you're coming from Android it's gotta be a little bit harder I thanks but I'll have to see some comments from YouTube going up just now Alexander Briggs says assure that the Apple watch for is the only worthwhile product from this event and many others a rust Fortin all smartwatches battery life is a joke that's why I got a versa Fitbit so I will shout out to them over there it's coming yeah got galaxy watch four days I have done four days oxley watch four days huh three times working out three days in those four days Wow whoo so there's a smokin right there and there that Samsung and I did I did my stress this also as well as external space knows the new specialized Exodus ship special okay okay I see well yeah lots to test and and we're gonna have a lot more SmartWatch talk on that Friday show because we actually recorded that over in San Francisco at the event were you part of that because I have not I was not there and I have no idea what Joshua recorded oh and no I wasn't I had to catch a flight back darkness unfortunately but hey we'll get to see it on Friday so let's stick around for that and stick around for more talk about the iPhone 10s we have a whole bunch of specs though we're gonna dig through I mean it's not as if there's too much of a difference between the iPhone 10 or the iPhone X and the iPhone XS I think if there's if there's anything that we have in excess of is talk about speed I mean we're talking about faster selfie cameras are faster true depth the face ID authentication with and these new fast sensors faster these cores that are in the Apple a 12 Bionic processor with 18 cores for general computing graphics and neuro processing and all these numbers and it's also the first seven nanometer commercial product to go out to users we're talking about wider color gamut for the display and the camera so I think that is something that maybe should be appreciated in terms of the anyone who uses Instagram I would assume but then again it's only he goes only so far as safe its REC 2020 or no because I don't believe they mentioned any standards or Gavin yes their dependents I mean it's kind of weird yeah the LG in the galaxy were twenty twenty last year so which is industry standard for HDR if you want to call it that so I was I was listening out for any I'm like you know DCI p3 or anything like that none yeah yeah this is definitely it's I mean it's a it's an S year right so the main thing the main takeaways for me are a water resistance that's pretty big and B this is the the waving goodbye to the old iPhone model iPhone 8 bye bye bye iPhone e by traditional you know this is like goodbye to the headphone jack the iPhones Fitness this is a sad day for me as you can see a headphone wall behind me so I'm I'm crying inside just I I hear you man I think this is this is a pretty big move you know they put out the 10 they said hey can you handle this notch and people said yes we'd love it we'll take as many notches as you got and this is where all that phones look like now see ya go ahead it's gonna be interesting to see how the have those people who love the knotch see the s10 next year which is rumored to have no notch yeah oh and then granted opposed the first company but gowing the Samsung will be the one to bring the mainstream and then you know I wonder what the kind of ads would be like that for next year from Samsung just just a thought yeah especially it was of the same components except for that optical camera that is really going to just drive everything here and one of the things that you mentioned about everything like you know you know asking the users if they accepted the knotch I could say the same thing about pricing here because yeah good points like they made the comparison instead of just the iPhone 8 it was the iPhone 8 plus which started at 7:49 well they decided to start the iPhone 10 our which we'll get to in just a few minutes at some point 9 and then starts this the iPhone 10s and 999 and 1099 for this new Big Macs I'm still not comfortable if max I'm sorry III don't get the name I'm just I mean it's sort of been just nice I understand what the max is in terms of pricing i I mean I dare not say it's not worth it because I haven't actually touched the device so I wouldn't go there but I would say this it makes anyone who complained about the Galaxy Note 9 you have to rethink that because on paper just on paper alone the note 9 gives you more just on paper then what your hands on the max is it the 512 I think that's 1250 and with this starting at 64 gigs for $9.99 and then you have to have that 256 intermediate step I'm wondering where these steps are going because I haven't seen a step pricing for bigger memory sizes I can go into pricing right now just say if you feel yeah sure so select the max 6.5 inches i will go it's t-mobile just for the heck of it just for the world cool so we're looking at a thousand 99 for 64 gigabytes 256 gigabytes is a thousand two hundred forty nine which is the same price as the 512 Galaxy Note 9 and for that lovely 512 you're looking at a thousand four hundred and forty nine dollars delicious Wow delicious today they just went all they went they went for it they made it gold this year they had to gild the experience like these these prices are Wacka doodle but this is the top-of-the-line flagship product the only thing that gives me a little bit I don't want to say hope but a lot of the the sustainability initiatives do sound really cool and I don't know if that's maybe a nod to planned obsolescence maybe becoming something they're gonna try and take a look at in saying that they want to make these devices last as long as possible because that is the only thing that I can see making a difference in terms of pricing as we move into this like the decade of the thousand dollar smartphone is if smartphones stop being something that we buy every single year I mean oh you know that's not true it's ok you can dream but it's like yeah I'm look I'm a dreamer I'm a dreamer it's okay I got you gotta own it but if if that's the only thing that I can I can see is justifying a price tag like that if I'm paying a grand plus for a mobile device two year minimum three four years should be like the the standard oh no I I do agree I mean I would have been fine if he said because of the recycling and some of the costs for that that's why this device is priced that way and you're looking to keep it that way again as you add it with sustainability that's true but they didn't mention that and again even if they were to use that excuse that's me is impossible because they have enough market power to tell their recyclers that we're paying this amount for it because the you know trillion dollar company so they can I just look at any being that they they look they started the the pricing war and a thousand they wanted to keep that premium Samsung went to a thousand and Samsung at least in my mind justified some of its pricing for a thousand because they wanted to separate that from the S line and then now they have to separate that with the max and say well for the max you have to do this so it's this escalating price wars that keep going up and down that I think it's not necessary but you know it's something that you know has to happen if you're going to be this market so it looks like we lost Jules there yeah it looks like we did it looks like the pricing pricing is just gonna keep creeping up creepin creepin creepin creepin as long as we start to see some stuff fall in line with that I'm okay with it the the X are on the other hand I'm not sure where this lands who's who was this phone for she has at 750 bucks like is that is that really gonna be my choice well especially considering that well how much of a watering down do you think it is compared to the iPhone ex-tennis not other than wireless charging which I don't think is included it's one on dust resistance right and it doesn't have an OLED display that's it I don't have to go back into the other camera module on the back yes miss the second camera module yeah but that that's so you missing three things one of them is wireless charging one of them is an OLED display and one of them is the second camera module that's pretty much where it is but to me this is where I think Apple miss this the somebody stated one of my chats the Apple misstep in the pricing I think that's very true because I would have loved to see this at even a 700 which is still too high but if it was a 650 700 that I think would be more palpable to a lot of people it's not gonna be found on our device because I know it won't go there but a 650 700 s 700 even would put Samsung in the range of like whoo the S line feels danger at this point right we know right now Samsung can tomorrow drop the S to 600 and say here's a you know a BOGO sale and you can get it does everything this phone does and wait you know in spades with an AMOLED display mind you like absolutely I completely agree I think if this were 50 bucks cheaper we'd have a really grand a grand slam on our hands because the truth is this is our this is our base iPhone model next year is the the iPhone 10 our that's what we're gonna see next year we won't see another another base you know iPhone 8 aluminum chassis model yeah yeah this is kind of like last hurrah for this aluminum kind of yeah well I think I think it's got to be it's gotta be just 50 bucks cheaper would really set it apart from the 5c for example I made a mistake being corrected here in the chat yeah people thank you the XR does have wireless charging thank you very much as there is just a few simmers Wells blue 25.0 Jason so then it's just a display and the second camera module yeah yeah IP 67 so an hour in that meter water immersion thing as if there's a whole bunch of things but overall you're getting I mean you mentioned the disparities between LCD and OLED I mean how far does the quote-unquote best LCD compared to maybe perhaps the worst oh well you can't compare the best display is the Galaxy Note night I mean although they say the so many display is is slightly better but at least we can take the note 9 as a devices and that's what the iPhone 10s is going against so yeah that's that's the fact of things oh well I mean I mean it's gonna be interesting to see how everything gets pitted up against each other we're gonna get to some more comments in just a few minutes but we will be taking a break here and we'll be right back so hang on this episode of the pocket now weekly is brought to you by jf now if you run a business you're probably busy enough looking after your employees your facilities and your equipment not least your iPhones iPads and Max yeah the things that let you run your business well keeping track of those Apple devices can be easy as pie with Jim now you can manage all the devices you need to whether they're near or remote setup email poor excuse me set up email protocols Wi-Fi credentials and toolbelt apps with a few clicks and even unlock a machine or wipe data from anywhere all of this without any IT training required weekly listeners can hitch up their first three devices with 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you both the tennis and tennis max combined how do you see things playing out in the real world given that we've already had a year for iPhone 10 and even though Tim Cook has said time and time again that it's the best-selling iPhone that there is how do you see things going out let's start with you out of all this time the 10 hour will be the breadwinner it makes the most amount of sense you're spending less to buy either last year's phone or this year's phone if you think about it right at 7:49 getting an iPhone 8 + doesn't make sense getting knife on 7 doesn't make sense if you're gonna get a brand new iPhone that is the iPhones again and since there is no success to me I I believe the 6s is the highest selling iPhone by quantity they don't tell us quantity doesn't matter but profitability because that's the Indian market and also the sigh phone the had the headphone jack but I think the 10 are fitting well because of its price point because I mean even when I do my comparison I most likely will pick the 10 hour now I haven't touched both devices but just mathematically looking at it they both they have wireless charging it's got water resistance it will have a decent camera probably not as good as the 10 Mac's or the 10s Mac's or 10s but I think it has all the things that most users on the iPhone side will need to actually get through the day the only thing is of course how the battery life compares to either the 10s or the 10s max but then again I from agrilife has not been a good thing so a lot of that will have to be tested through editorial processes from many many sites so we'll have to see about that but what do you think then what's a 10,000 foot view mark the ten thousands of you is amusingly in the context of you know a conversation at lunch I like to I like to take the approach of like you know I went to lunch with a buddy in New York and they're like hey what phone should I get should I get this one hey the new from new iPhone came out should I get it and the answer this time is I don't think so there have been one or two s years that I said okay yeah pick up pick up the S line this year it's worth the pick up I think the success with the first 3d touch screen on it I said the same thing that year but this year I think it's a more of a wait-and-see wait for the cost to come down it's it's an iterative year for Apple you know big iterative and health a bigger display I think is really really cool edge to edge makes the thing feel a lot smaller in your hand even though it's about the same size as the A+ that edge really does make a difference but I don't think we're seeing a lot of and any paradigm shift here at all there's no the only needle I see moving is is in the health arena and that's been a long tail thing for Apple for the past few years so hold off on it is my takeaway for for today one of the negative paradigm shifts that some people might be clawing at here Siddharth SID in the youtube comment what's the need for the iPhone 10 are I still prefer a favorite scanner over face ID and with this latest generation that's all gone no fingers left apparently and with recent quo analyst quo has also said that he doesn't see Apple adopting anything from in-display fingerprint sensors or the like anytime soon so why and also you know this at all going to is Apple going to be able to wield its weight on this well I think if I do answer that it's very simple right now the rumors are pointing that the best in display fingerprint scanners which will be coming on the S 10 are coming from Apple's hated friend Qualcomm so you can count that out at least for now until this that that whole beef gets squashed but the other aspect to is that Apple has really pushed the face ID and I think it all depends on what the realization come next year if is where you know Samsung can say hey why do you have to do this when you don't have to look here for and then just do this you know you can just press and you're good but Apple can build this wait I think they can build a way to say this is what works because it's actually face ideas worked pretty well I think across the board where in terms of people cracking it we haven't really heard much of people cheating the system you know in many ways I think they've been a few but it's taking a lot to actually do that so I think they can hold their weight till that until maybe the market looks at again says in display fingerprint sensors are just much better because I don't have to look at my phone that's just a difference I guess where the argument that I'm surprised has not been brought up is a screen crackage and how that affects like the usage experience for fingerprint sensors in the display that might be a thing it depends on if the display glass itself is actually chipped or if there's a risk of an injury injury at all to that but I think maybe the risk of injury might be one but I think because the glass itself the surface glass has nothing to do with the tech because it's mostly I think it's ultrasonic so basically right now it's a lot of them or optical sensors yeah I mean the the Qualcomm one is ultrasonic so yeah it just basically is passing through the glass and even if there's a crack it wouldn't matter for that so I think that's why but again again you know we we may have issues but I think it's just the way general public accepts all of these technology if it works once and if we crack a screen usually just go replace it anyway hmm hmm interesting a lot of talk also in the chat just general Samsung war going on in there but a lot of other people are looking forward to the pixel 3 and the mate 20 from Huawei and Google inversely respectively I guess you could say in that sense structure what do you see in the iPhone 10s in particular that might be able to hold up or surpass or do worse against the future competition mark I think apples I mean it's it's the Apple mo right apples good at a lot of things one of those things is shipping really killer hardware that's never been for discussion I think that the pixel three is gonna be some okay hardware with a really stellar software experience and another stellar camera I I struggle with a lot of Huawei stuff especially these days especially how the after markets been treated in the last month or so but the the the comparison between iPhone and Android doesn't go away and I don't think that a big beautiful AMOLED display and the handful of new things that we're getting in an iPhone this year are gonna be enough to pull someone who maybe is on the fence on Android maybe they've been on and over the last four years five years of looking for something new maybe they had an iPhone back in the day and they're looking to try it on again this isn't gonna be the generation that's gonna pull you back a lot of the things that that we're getting in this device we've had across the Android spectrum for the last few years anyway so I think if you're someone who's on a fence I think you're far more likely to fall on the Android side after this announcement than you were two weeks ago interesting interesting and you know not all you know not the bulk of sales for iPhones does happen in the first quarter that it is available so the holiday season but it's not you know and it none not all those sales are coming from you know the pre-orders most of them are coming in the months of October late October or November so you have time to consider your options in the market and you know mid perhaps get one that may be right for you and I'm trying to hold out as long as possible because I really want to see what a dabangg has in terms of deliveries he just got doorbells so I'm hoping that perhaps he got an iPhone maybe an iPhone 10s that would be exciting that would be very exciting he gave me broke a few embargoes to get huh oh geez don't worry I mean we shouldn't say that out loud it shouldn't blow up his spot but yeah I I don't see I don't see why as an Android user if I'm really considering a switch there's there's anything here that really pulling me forward I think one of the things that really sort of did not sit well with me was you know a lot of the games showcase in AR showcases like they've been advertising and showing off the the same exact AR features for the last three years now like we've we've seen the shared AR experience like okay cool like it was cool the first time but now we're just watching a bunch of people playing on stage and it's not really providing any new experiences then that we hadn't seen from three years ago AR it's just one of those things that I don't think is ever gonna really finally make it until it becomes a reduction of VR when VR finally takes off well I mean in terms of gaming I think Apple might be right in terms of treating it as part of a console I mean iOS home to a lot of many polish games out there but you know for them it's also it also kind of acts as a new season of games and you know and being able to announce new titles taking advantage of new technologies such as the power reduction require power requirements reduction and coromandel and all that going on so I mean what do you think about that as kind of a platform against the likes of Nintendo or Xbox or Sony oh I love that conversation III think that's I mean I'm an old-school game video game magazine reader like I go to the grocery store with my mom and like go and read egm and GamePro and all that stuff and I remember the ads or the the articles the op-eds about out you know apples gonna make a gaming console they're gonna make a portable console and this was in like 2002 or something like that 2003 and lo and behold we got one it's just called an iPhone it's a lot of different things in the mine you know I think that the the iPhone has been a in general a force for good for gaming it's really democratized the platform more than it was before but I think it was also the the foot-in-the-door that enabled the free-to-play plague that we've seen only get exacerbated overhead net purchases the the scourge of the devil and all that exactly like I'm all about supporting a developer but predatory and psychological practices that make you feel addicted are you know there wouldn't be possible were it not for this magic spacefaring computer in our pockets any final thoughts on all this as we head into another review session another sales season another just amazing kind of road ahead start with you mark okay sure sure I was about to get well if he was feeling that strongly I was gonna finish with that you know storm of no I was gonna I was going to just say that it's interesting to see what apples line up because we have a very heavy October coming up we've got announcements from Google we've got Huawei we've got no care coming up we've got LG still and then we even Microsoft's announcement might be a head turner nothing's gonna be a phone but it's good to you it might disrupt the market and is this enough because because one of my problems with Apple is not the fact that they're not profitable or you know the the can't sell iPhones they don't make devices or it's not nice is that can they move away from just its ecosystem because right now every time I see an iPhone I go if you're an iOS user sure it doesn't tell the Android user oh I like that I'm all saying you have to buy but does it really even attract the Android user to say wow that is really cool and that's my biggest problem with them and I think they will continually do well within the ecosystem and the last thing I'll mention is Apple says no more free dongles with the iPhone for your headphone jack so just well I mean I what I see looking ahead is I tend to agree with that a lot more status quo but I think I think apples been head down I think they're gonna be head down for a little while they had about five years of Steve Jobs ideas in the hopper after he passed away and they're they're scraping the bottom of that barrel and I think that they've got their eyes on the puck about eight to ten years from now again in terms of health as some of those big three words they see where the puck is going I think that they're trying to distill the digital experience down to the single most important thing that a human will need to trust technology with and I think that a lot of the moves that they're making today seeing tone-deaf and seem like they're not really reacting to what the market is telling them I think that's because they have zoomed out so far so as to ensure that they've got a lot more in the hopper from this generation of Apple so that when there's another you know succession another passing of the baton they've got a really good solid backlog of stuff to work from yeah I definitely agree that they're doing what they need to do in order to keep that self-sustaining machine sustained so that's going to be interesting to see how far they develop because again we haven't heard of all the other developments which you know we might hope for an October event this which we're gonna have to cover two hours the keynotes for Macs and Mac minis them and the air powered wireless charging pad which yeah it's not coming let's move on I mean got it on well what is what is so special about this I mean it's it's just a multiple device wireless charging pad which there you can buy this right now ight yeah I think I think what would what would be special about it is if they develop some sort of technology that actually had them both charging the same loop as opposed to separate coils if they were able to get closer to something like Tesla s technology that allows you know for a field of charging around a particular device that's the only thing that would get me stoked about it that's the only real good reason I can think they delay it I think the newer Apple that's more willing to look at the data instead of years it's not even the fast wireless charger anyway so it really doesn't matter it's slow one I'm ok with slow if if we're getting if we're going wider rather than deeper as long as there's the field I mean I mean if they if Apple decides to acquire energies which is working on that technology and then perhaps they may be in the ball game but they don't and the device would be cancelled or they would just keep quiet until the iPhone 11 next year I found 13 or whatever number they will call it but I think I think you know the pad is I think is maybe I guess it's just a lot of us have just hooked on the fact that Apple is finally jumped a wireless charging and they're making this but again as someone who's been a wireless tracking since the The New Yorker 9:20 I don't care like that's just how I look at it because it's not new it's old tech as far as I see so unless there's something really brand new I'm sorry I know I am any of this I started with a downer I think I think you know I wish we were able to provide a little bit more balance in terms of how you know Apple might have been able to succeed or at least they might be able to you know carve a victory already in this panel like it feels to feel so it's like we're a bunch of Android ki so like I really but I really do want to be able to provide some alternative to that because the fact of the matter is is that Apple's the omnipresent presence it is that you and in our tech industry their trillion dollar company and they have been able to make their earnings from producing a product that millions and millions and millions have wanted desired aspire to and have owned so yeah this year might not be it's also important to know that especially as we we move with the national conversation global conversation really about privacy and data data rights I think the will see Arab largest change in the next two to three years in the way that people perceive the way that their data is being used and Apple is sitting real pretty on that front Apple might you know for the clothes garden call it whatever you will it is that's exactly what it is but they don't sell your data I would I would disagree my iCloud was hacked two months ago so as far as sell your data it just means they have terrible security and security if your if your icon got hacked or fished I'm sorry that's user error selling data and when folks when folks talk about putting important things like health data online that's that is one of the most important things to our livelihoods and Apple is one of the few major the tech titans that does not sell your data I don't know I I agree they don't sell my data but then again I don't put any of my opponent data online that's just we have always what it's fine and dandy but I am still surprised that the me icon I mean I got a call from Apple saying please change your iCloud and I know like some of people who did who are like because we've got a breach of some sort and I was like again I mean iPod is just terrible so it doesn't give me confidence that you're stating that I should put anything up there on iCloud because right that I will get that call again if I know like I mean right now I'm actually more confident as much as bad as it may sound I'm more confident that Google is going to sell the data because I know they will sell the data I actually you know that I I know they will sell I know Facebook will sell that data and that's fine because I've I've decided that we'll be sold but when I know that Apple is not selling it and then they lose it to me that's the problem and they have not addressed iCloud which is the biggest thing in my mind I mean with all this health stuff we're talking about Apple has no sat down and said this is how we improve security on our devices I disagree I think they've talked a lot about how and and encryption works and and helped in helping the user educate themselves and the the I have two factor authentication on my stuff and I still go I'm just saying that it's just terrible I mean they can talk about it it just doesn't work well and what really matters in the end is the results that happened and you know every single system on earth is susceptible to any DDoS attacks or anything like that it's just you know the you know the scale or the ability to respond to that it's gonna be important if Apple continues the way if it treats it as you know the situation that and among has experienced and maybe that's not a bad sign that's a bad sign but again we're gonna have to take a long look at ourselves and at the companies that we deal with in order to figure out what the hell we're doing on earth here and on that note that's very very still not dystopian note that's our show for now I'd like to thank Mark for joining us here thank you for just hanging out with us thank you for having me it's always a pleasure ed abang you know that you're always welcome here so thanks again for coming in I'm glad you guys allowed me to have my negative appeal on the show making is allowed it is legal and it is 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