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God is doing who's doing this fever over live we're live all right sorry everybody for the failed attempts Google live hangouts have not been nice to us lately and that's our thang lately so we're not getting along too well but anyway this is a special edition of pocket now live it's a roundtable discussion we've got Anton here and hi Mei and Michael and Taylor a lot has happened today at Google i/o 2013 a lot of announcements we're a little disappointed but there's a lot of cool stuff to talk about and so we're just going to kind of chill and hang out for the next 45 minutes or so and talk about what happened today real quick let's talk about what didn't happen today no new version of Android no 4.3 no five-point oh no key lime pie which actually kind of gives me some confidence that the next version of android is going to be 5 point 0 is going to be substantial and big and worthy of its own event you know compare what a lot of thought to talk about and they could have overshadowed five point 0 if it were already um you know with with announcements of key lime hi that was a confusing statement not nice to us alone whoa somebody from us is watching us live one viewer yes it's so so so no sono key lime pie no new version of Android very good we have no new hardware Tony's going to bitch about that in a second but we actually have something that is new and it's kind of weird Google is doing a galaxy s4 on july 26th that comes with stock android for certain way fine well sort of finally at six it's 650 bucks it's unlocked it gets t-mobile and AT&T LTE but like anyone that has a galaxy s4 that got it on contract can just go to a development site route their phone and do the exact same thing what do you what is your guys take on this unlocked galaxy s4 what's not not necessarily I mean if the bootloaders lock you're not going to be able to do that just very easily yeah it wasn't way around it there is but the problem is have you ever had a phone with a bootloader that's been locked like a droid x or the the Thunderbolt all these devices I've had so many of them and when you have a locked bootloader it just ruins it if you want development at all um there are ways around it but everything you have to do takes two three four or five extra steps and and if you screw up if you if you flash something and it just doesn't work just right you might have to start all over from scratch or it might throw a boot loop and it's just so so so let's let this in worst case it takes you three hours of your life to save like 450 bucks why don't you why don't you do it well it's not really that you're saving 450 bucks you can't get a galaxy s4 without a contract currently unless you go for an unlocked version and you still have to pay like seven hundred dollars for an unlocked galaxy s4 so in my in my case you get the choice of 650 bucks for stock Android or seven hundred dollars for an unlock galaxy s4 on a carrier anyways so I would prefer honestly I love the fact that you get the choice i think that the price point is was extremely steep i do not agree on the price but i do love the fact that you get the option now I've always been forward for a signature Google mentality like signature windows where you can buy a specific laptop and ask for stock windows on the no bloatware so I love the option even though I do consider the price point to be too steep I would love for that phone to be 650 bucks and then get the option to get touch was in the you as a software update or something but that's just me it should be an option on every device I've said this since yeah that I was I don't know since my first android phone since you could disable TouchWiz and since I don't know if you could disable touch with but you could definitely disabled since it was nothing more than a launcher but it's something I've said since the beginning that on your first boot like if you just if you use the phone for six months and then you decide hey I want to you know reset my device you can choose between loading stock Android or TouchWiz there it's just like a technology technology is absolutely there to do that but Samsung doesn't really want you to use stock Android unless you're a special kind of user they want to show you s voice and s this and s that and it's it's part of their it's part of their business right and that's the question right because when you're buying the galaxy s4 as it currently stands the current additionally galaxy s4 you're not really getting an android phone we've said this before to you're getting a samsung phone you're getting the experiences that they want you to have on it it is going to be a completely different experience with the galaxy s4 what are they calling it the galaxy s4 Google edition I mean they're not calling it a nexus whatever they're calling it he has the google edition it is right so you know it's going to be an entirely different different different thing and i was very excited to see it revealed and i'm still quite excited i would like to i would really like to get my hands on one but i'm not entirely sure that yeah i'll be relieved to be rid of some of those qmix i don't care about but I'm not entirely certain that I will miss I will not miss elements of TouchWiz like some of that stuff is useful what some well let's talk about what you get if you get stock Android it's going to be faster and it's going to be better with battery life well Michael what things would you miss from TouchWiz if you got this version of the galaxy s4 I like those i mean i like the notification toggle implementation in touch wiz better I like I like TouchWiz his approach to you know some of the some of the home screen design is you know I don't think I liked it I liked lock screens that Sampson brings its little UI stuff that I feel like Samsung has actually succeeded in improving on the stock Android experience android is bad but it sure so ons Tony question a Tony and no new hardware no new next 27 no new Nexus phone what what it's coming on bro I am extremely disappointed and its head I'm usually the black sheep you see this tablet here this tablet was introduced one year ago at the google i/o and usually new hardware comes you platforms new versions of Android so it was just logical that this year in May or beginning of June but it happened today who would unveil a new version of angry but if it was 4.3 or five point oh it should have landed together with a nexus 7 refresh a nexus phone refresh is only used somewhere in september-october or november so from this perspective I I have a couple of questions regarding today's event is it not ready are there prepared are they preparing something huge to arrive later or what's this no Android no device only talking Google+ and match thing well they're all very substantial updates via the maps and then the music service and those are just applications and service updates there's no platform update as they usually unveil one every year like iOS has a refresh every year android up until this year had a refresh major or minor every year windows phone has won every year and now Google will have one every 16 months I know that's discussed right to tell you and welcome well you know it's it's not necessarily true because Google has actually always stuck to kind of a later in the year like a sep tember fall OS update last year was an anomaly and android 4.2 is what we got remember there was there was no event because of because the you know it was closed due to the hurricane yeah we are you know but but other than you know we actually got the present bites and everything I couldn't go because of the problem from last summer we got android for that one but the less the winter before that we got a droid for that oh I got ice cream sandwich so they were pushing it along faster yeah the winter before you're right that's right it was with the Galaxy Nexus during the winter that's right yum companies do this right they stagger the change change up their schedules and that's fine and you know it keeps us on our toes and that's nice but a lot of pee one person on twitter has been saying that they're okay without the point increase in android at this year's i/o because it allowed Tony those features you were talking about two to two mature like we see enhancements in google voice search we see the google music and we're probably gonna talk about in a second we see all these things that are that are now catching up to where maybe they should have been before and that's good so now android has a stronger platform with from which to jump to 4.3 and and beyond yeah here's a quick conspiracy theory do you guys think that Google might be holding on to seeing what Apple might prepare for WWDC I had that's that's what i was thinking i believe there even if they're not doing that is on purpose i mean it's it's it just so happens that that's going to work there to their advantage i think they want to remove the spotlight from iOS 7 if it gets announced at WWDC i mean right now the thing is their own events and obviously Google i/o you know let's be honest Google i/o is a developer conference it is you know if we think about it back when was it for the iphone for that one was the iphone 4s launch in 2011 october yes okay it but yeah but that WWDC steep was the last event that Steve Jobs was still alive and he was like we're gonna keep this a software event and they prevent everything um which was iOS 5 and everything but they did not bring new hardware so I believe that Google will take the approach of waiting to see what Apple has obviously they have a new boss in town two new bosses for software in iOS 7 so go ahead iOS 7 is is such a big opportunity for Apple and it's kind of a do-or-die kind of thing and and people still have confidence in apple and they want to see what's going to happen and it's very much to Google's advantage to wait and see what iOS 7 brings I want to jump around to a couple of other or some of the next things on the list google music is now really really really competing with Spotify and Pandora and Pandora audio and arguing music it's it's really doing everything you the same price point of Spotify 999 although if you sign up now you get a cheaper price at eight bucks a month it's got a web browser component it's got a mobile component which you can get right now and it's got offline playlists it's got what I think is a much nicer interface I I am kind of obsessed with music I listen to it all the time and so music is very important to me and I can already start to see some ways that google music all access is better than Spotify most notably in Spotify if you've got your like 20 artists that you like and you've got the 10 albums that you're listening to at the time you're the only way to kind of keep that store is to add them as playlist so what you get is and Spotify are these huge list of playlists which you can group into folders which is fine but it's not really organized ok Google music all access allows you to add an artist and album or a song as if you owned it to your library so then your library view is nicely segregated between artists album songs hi and playlists yeah take that one of my biggest problems with Spotify is that there's no way to just listen to one artist unless you listen to like their radio station which rex is my world yeah I'm locked on like 10 or if you um create a playlist of just that artist from mobile it's just not possible you can only do it from the desktop I know that's just yeah Mike Michael I don't think that's coming through i should tell us what you're showing I'm overexposed no is it how's that I'm Laura and if I got a tough time guys there's just way too much white so that the interfaces is like this sherbert and and white and it just blows out this crappy webcam but yeah i mean i agree brandon that's something i didn't really notice in our quick look at the interface yeah it really is nice I mean I'm sorry it's going to overexpose here but it just organizes all the all the artists into their own kind of it's like this duel column scrollable view and it is like your the collection that you own rather than than than like the spa defies endless playlist I mean that is one improvement in you I it's actually quite nice it is quite nice it has the card you I from from the google play store it's clean when you listen to music through google music it starts to learn what you like and the cool thing is that you start seeing it show up in other Google products like Google now now has the ability to show you my understanding is new music releases that you might like and it just links right to the Google so everything's really integrated yeah really nicely and and as mentioned one of my biggest worries was that you couldn't you couldn't save offline playlists because you know streaming that stuff just kills your data connect kills your battery but you can you can download offline playlist I don't know what the limit is Spotify it's like 3,000 tracks yeah which is planning for anyone um yeah all night 200,000 well here's the deal the problem is that this is pretty much a you as exclusive and it will be for a long time because at the moment i live in on ludus and i cannot buy a song even without the google all-access music yes Tony you're there you're having the same issue my big advantage what Spotify is that all i have to do is get a fake VPN i could actually get a trial for 4 30 minutes that they could give you for free and i could activate a spotify account and loaded with my honduran credit card and keep it that way permanently and that's the way i have spotify right and the problem with Google products it's not really a problem I just why is Google what is a problem why does google have to be so good about their drm protection because they did say wait a second they lock everything to the sim card meaning if I want to get google music I have to use an AT&T sim cards obviously it renders my phone useless so sadly it's not a perfect service it's not it's not only tied to your SIM card because right now I was in London I just landed a couple of hours ago and I had my Romanian sim card within my gs4 and the google play store in in the UK finally showed me books and movies and everything and once i landed back in hungary and then here in Romania all that disappeared so I think it's a combination of your SIM card as well as Wi-Fi ideas that maybe your GPS location and that that just the combination sucks for Google's music offering because it is limited to a market which is huge but still spotify is available in many many many more countries right buddy has the advanced also available on cross-platform right I OS Windows Phone Google you know for people like us who switch platforms a lot and I think that's a category that might actually be growing in the future here as people start to establish preferences for what they like on a tablet what they like on a device but they like on a desktop you know cross-platform compatibility is gonna be important and I don't think there's any plans for an iOS or other platform ATS right I don't know last year Google i/o last year said that they were going to release a Google Music app for iOS and that never happened yeah you imagine that was probably not goals policies yeah they'll probably ask policies and then now something like this probably not i'm not gonna allow it because apple apple has to do an itune subscription service now they're exactly my point if that's the case then we'll definitely see something coming out of Apple and the vein of Google Music Alexis Wow so I want to I want to finish up here with Google Music guys I remember a time just a little tangent here about the in the 90s when there was Napster right and we all did it we downloaded music it was the most amazing we were young and stupid right and and then and then iTunes came along right and and you could you could rip your cds you could download music for a relatively expensive fee and then the subscription services started to come along and then these cross-platform music subscriptions came along and they were cheap ten dollars less than a cost of one CD you can have all you can eat music you can even download it to your device and now we're seeing one of the biggest technology companies get in on this its just oh this is an awesome time for music lovers yeah it is yeah um so anyway with that heart throbbing comment some updates to Google now finally reaching a little bit of parity with with Siri in terms of some of the on device things that it does for example now you can say you know remind me to get milk at 3pm and it will send you a notification you can say remind me to take out the trash when I get home it will set up a geofence and you a notification um and a lot of other enhancements to Google now I do you guys do you guys use the one out pretty often I really every day every day do you guys do you guys just work with Barcelona that's what I use it for teach exports course I use it yeah uh I use it to track packages and find local events because i'm a homebody and I stay at home a lot and that tells me what's going on around me and I I've gone to several shows concerts and all kinds of other things events just based on google now and I use it for okay I admit I'm the only one who doesn't find it helpful at all and I have probably used it like two or three minutes aggregated in my entire life I think it's the smartest invention to come to smartphones that's what a blessing it doesn't help me it doesn't help me be more productive that video Tony you spend a large amount of your time not using Android devices I mean you use an iPhone a lot of the time I know use the one more recently but you haven't been for a while so I think Google now is specifically tailored at people who usually don't get me wrong I don't even use Siri I mean aside from dictation which is part of Siri but it's not part of Google now I can't find it helpful I mean I don't fly that often whenever I do searches I i can easily type those two three keywords in Google and that's just about it I don't need whether I get windows so you guys want to you guys want a fun fact I was emailing Michael about this earlier so so so Google's releasing some enhancements to the web browser so that all you have to do is say the word the words ok Google and it starts listening for what you're going to say that functionality already exists if you go into the Google now or the Google Search app on your phone I'm just like Google you snow you say ok Google right ok just Google that's okay we don't have happened oh ok you just say Google uh so Google which is which is really cool if you're like you know in the car at a stoplight never use your phone in the car Google yeah tada all right there's no magic tricks yes that didn't exist in the browser before now it's kanika now and that's the big update as it works the big up right yeah that's the only like worthwhile thing about this because I was saying this in our stream like yeah that's cool I can tap the Google search bar go into google search and then say google and it'll start listening awesome well right from my home screen i can tap that little microphone and skip a step and you know it'll start listening without me having to say anything in the first place so until we have an intelligence always on listening service built into a smartphone you don't have to like jump into s voice you don't have to jump into the Google search bar I think it's gonna be less more of it more of a gimmick than anything else but in the browser it's awesome and on the desk yeah like if your if your phone had really good ears and your phone is across the room and you're getting dressed and you were like good Google what's the weather gonna be today it just starts talking to you that would be amazing and tell me how much you how much better would you give up for that I don't none that's why I said when you know technology gets to a point where I would give up as much battery for that as I would for Bluetooth now like I would I would give up a five percent an hour out of Jack to have my phone always listening for to hear same good then that exists in Windows Mobile a long time ago you could set up voice command to be permanently on I think you're right on that actually you could set up voice command that it was permanently on I thought I'll a new that stuff like yeah yeah you can do that with um like a TouchWiz device though if it's off can't you say hi galaxy no yeah well yeah yeah you could set up the wake up to voice command yep there right it does do to turn it I mean it's not on all the time when the device is on but it's on what the device is this stand by but it works uh poorly it doesn't work well like yeah yeah like yeah what's the story of Galaxy devices yet know it's there doesn't work too well but if they're kind of kind of like the air gesture like the quick peek or whatever it's called yeah and that is so mad like my friend we were sitting at a table together and he reaches over to grab something in my phone turns on and he reaches back and it turns back on I'm like you turned my phone on man like stop and he's like move your phone I'm deciding like this is uh I don't know I think that this google i/o event was a syndicate i would say as software event as it was the browser enhancements are cool without any hardware man I'm extremely disappointed I couldn't be more disappointed I'm actually I'm not disappointed I'm disappointed there's no Nexus 7 with a 1080p display it's going to be better than about it comes out it's gonna be yeah 1920 x 1200 and that's coming soon so so let's let's jump to the next thing the thing called hangouts not babble which was rumored to be Taylor and Jaime hot really enthused about this Taylor what the heck is it and I'm a what do you think about it it's actually not exactly what we thought it was gonna be so it's not a unified total unified google chat service so not yet not yet so I still get my google voice text messages you know on my computer on my phones on my tablets and they don't show up and hang out or hangouts so there's that but google talk now is hangouts so if you send a google talk to someone in the browser it's going to pop up in the hangouts app on your mobile device and this right here what we're in now this hangout is a chat so once we in this video call we can chat using the same hang out right now and that's what you sow I like the guys cross platform and yes honestly I love the enhancement I mean yes you do have whatsapp which is cross-platform yes there are other so was like like Facebook messaging but i love i love the fact that we could have a group chat for example and we could activate an immediate hang out and not have to pay a penny like we do on skype yeah because if we want a group call on skype a group video call we need to pay for it that's the problem with skype and I guess this is a big stabbed from google towards the Microsoft where you're not gonna have to pay for the feature on your phone using the service Oh everything sounds awesome and I'm into this but I have two things first I wish Google will fix hangouts like yesterday and second I wish I pray for more than vga resolution oh yeah well I TP authority peanuts we're talking about different hangout so you're talking about video hangout specifically we're talking about that the the umbrella hangout service yeah which is I'm cold and this port oh yeah well I mean I agree it's it's bad and um but somebody is jay gallon 14 twitter said it would have been better if it had it would replace the stock SMS service so integrate SMS I guess yeah I'm and chat heads that would have been it would have been perfect perfect agreed agreed well it's tough it's little work in progress this is not a Babel Bob ale or whatever the code name was and if it is i guess it's again it's a work in progress all right so let's move on from there we've got a lot of live viewers and thanks everyone for for joining us we're just hanging out talking about what happened at Google i/o no no new version of Android but we think that's coming later but a lot of updates to a lot of their products google maps on android is getting an update really to look like the iOS app but but there's been this new renewed focus on making Google Maps about a discovery tool and you can kind of get a flavor for that if you go into the browser right now I checked a few minutes ago wasn't there for me but the guy on stage said it's there now anyone anyone check out the new google maps on browser yep no you have to go to a certain link that will let you sign up for a preview so you have to be invited to a preview which I signed up for before the keynote was over but I haven't gotten anything so so I guess this is pretty much like a new type of yelp well we're at Foursquare or four square it's like all this stuff well into my I guess they're trying to make people like Google+ as much as they can they're adding and adding more features to google plus just to make it compelling I guess it's a plus features as a maps feature well if you want if you want to make it work like Foursquare you need to be in Google+ that's the right yeah they're aggressively pushing plus here exactly thank you speaking of google plus they announce some pretty bad ass photo editing automation goodness awesome the name is so bad who watch TV who wants to explain what this is and and and stuff ok so easy ok go on theater well I was going to say basically you upload pictures and it automatically makes them better upload pictures taller auto beautification it's gotta be Google+ so it's not Facebook or Twitter Instagram or drop sir box net it's google plus you get it right you've got easier with us yeah so you can upload your pictures in forests you have 15 gigabytes for that or you can upload to Google Plus with like a standard size which is like a maximum of two thousand pixels wide but what it does is when you upload them they little basically auto enhance them if you've overexposed or underexposed basically it applies like an HDR filter and kind of balances everything out but it's using a lot of intelligence it's more than just the auto enhance in iOS was the best face it implies a skin softening yeah you can beautify yourself I really brought probably one of the coolest things that I saw at that keynote and I think it's the guy said it perfectly he's like I just came back from my vacation and I took all these photos and I want to organize them but the problem is I'm no longer on vacation and it's true I go out with my DSLR and I take a million pics and then I never organized them I take seven photos of the same dog or whatever yeah and so it's it's really cool that the service will intelligently pick out the best photos and you'll keep everything but your album will be compiled you know specifically with the top photos that Google determines that you would think we're the best and then the others will still be there and so you know go ahead so it's looking through what you're describing is you're looking through like six hundred photos and it's trying to pick out the best one so it removes duplicates it removes ones that are blurring it removed and one of the coolest things and I don't know what the heck this is what's happening in the back end here but they can identify pictures that people like us just think look good like oh this is a nice pic like they've been able to I always quantify or machine fi the idea of beauty in a picture and not only that let's say it takes let's say you take three different photos of the same place or the same shot and one of them not everybody's smiling and then the other one other people are smiling they're taking a Schelotto approach to stitching the photo together in order to make everybody smile on the photo if possible that's another thing they'll be able to do I am also they also make gifts so if you upload like a motion like a burst shot so if I'm doing this in a picture it'll create a gif of me waving basically it automatically by a cat that'd be great Tony what were you gonna say I am NOT a professional photographer but I am a photo aficionado and the the photos which i upload usually define my style my views my subjects my lighting what I'm trying to emphasize here is that once I upload a picture to this new google plus service those are no longer my pictures that's no longer my face no longer my skin no longer my lighting so I i will probably not take advantage of the service because i really want to be in control of what I show off from my experiences from my day-to-day life and shooting experiences to the people who follow me and I'm with your 808 PureView with my 808 PureView yeah I think you're a little bit more advanced Tony than the average person who just wants to take some pics and and make it look good but but I still don't understand it like on the iphone I take pictures it goes to iCloud it's on my iPad on the on an android phone I take pictures it goes to dropbox it's on stole my ipad and everything if i want to do this service thing and i wanted to like go through my pictures and make make me look a lot better than I do I gotta gotta hook my google account to my google pleasant and then turn on like auto uploads at outwards yeah yeah you know to be honest with you with all the enhancements that are coming to google plus i would say that i would rather use Google+ than Dropbox um because first of all I get 15 gigabytes as a repository or unlimited if I choose for them to specify their own break and other than that you know I can keep everything that I one google plus I get an automatic backup and it's better presented on google plus I could share it immediately if I want and if not that I could just use Instagram as I usually do no I I have two or three like redundant backups for pictures so yeah there is like i'm looking at my google+ app right now on the HTC One and it's the updated one and it is gorgeous it's a beautifully built I was about to say they finally figured out that this really have made it very very pretty yeah but you know when Google+ started all of my normal friends my friends outside of tech circles uh were actually you know kind of Luddites they all still join google+ because google made such a stink about it everyone's like our Facebook killer I'll do in it um so let me tell you what my Google+ feed is now despite the fact that all my normal friends have joined it and are on it my entire Google+ feed is nerds talking about Google i/o and not regular people talking about Google i/o this is just like out professional press outlets people like you like pocket now people like us and that's it I mean like plus is not being embraced by the by the comedy fest but unless is the facebook for geeks it means really it's and I think I think most of our most of our viewers right now use google+ it's the tech savvy people that care a lot about technology and like Google products but it's just such a barrier I mean all of my stuff and all my friends are the non-technical friends are on Facebook my mother is on faith and I don't wanna I up you know I committed to facebook I committed to Twitter I couldn't do Instagram I couldn't get into it I this this google+ thing keeps me up at night because I want to be in on it but I just can't me too I'm loving it okay so like so the only one on I kind of honey breathe the only reason why i don't use google classes because the UI on the phone was terrible it was just for one it was just so big it do is just so bloated you can really enjoy ever anything and i guess with you what the software update that just came i think it does look a lot better result the desktop is what looked bad for so long the the mobile platforms have looked great for about six months well admire them the third of the longer yeah I like it but um I started using it probably three months ago I just fool on just just dedicated myself to Google+ and I'm loving it um you're saying that yeah I've I'm actually getting followers on Google+ a lot faster than on any other network ever probably about double the rate of Twitter that's just incredible to content it's really high quality stuff all the time don't hate me because I'm gonna say this but somebody has to say to us do you guys realize and see what we're doing now we are on a Google i/o round table and we are talking about in softening we are talking about Google Maps we're talking about Google+ I mean come on that's what i was talking about android nexus what happens we are working on things which are either x or adjacent services but Tony you can't consider like that Hardware in a vacuum you can't say that I want to only hear about nexus devices and I don't want to hear about anything that Android can do because it really the utility of this depends on what matters yeah if the google maps announcement or the Google+ announcement or anything else goes out just as a PR without the google i/o and the keynote nobody gives a damn but it's too easy to forget that Google is a software company they only recently got into the hardware last year they get out of an x SQ yeah and they got out and then now you have glass but those are really only two pieces of hardware that Google's ever really made and the mace author of Google is Android maybe out as far as we are concerned yeah but for us yeah I think they're blurring the line between Android and their desktop arm and that's why we get like all this kind of stuff from there they're telling us the Google story they're not telling us the Nexus story of the Android through the problems yes I still agree with the conspiracies here at Theory where they're waiting for iOS 7 and they're gonna have their standalone event to launch the next version of android and their products if they're sure that what they're gonna offer is going to be good enough compared to whatever apple launches it on jun 10 I think honestly think I think Google is to the point where Apple is where where Apple was about two or three years ago where they don't really care what the competition is doing anymore because they've progressed and and they're they're moving so fast and I gotta say it's kinda silly for us to think that Google would watch the WWDC keynote in June and in just like three or four months or less change their entire trajectory for Android to get everyone involved in their room and say guys were they did on this we're gonna go and do this I mean there's not enough time to do that but but just think about it I mean when was the last time that Apple had such a shake of such a corporate shake up where we're actually going to expect differences to come in the next version of iOS this the first time ever I mean expecting it and it's just not happened it's just not happen because the same heads were there so I do believe even that it's a smart move for Google to wait that's just me I I wanted key lime pie don't get me wrong I wanted 4.3 yes of course I did of course I wanted a newer version of the nexus 7 but i do want them to be better than whatever Apple does in June so in my two cents are I don't mind them waiting another month to see what they're going to bring out and i agree with you time it and i don't want to be overly harsh or overly critical Isetta less you guys do or not going to be as forgiving with Google as you guys are no I want what Google does and what they do best and I want it now what is the time for it see I think what it's not is literally difference is fundamental I think Tony I think we think we just spent four hours getting shown that and you don't think so like I that's what I think but but they said we want to we want to keep a eye nothing that interests me google said several years ago I think it was Andy Rubin who said we want to keep a one-year product cycle and last year was an anomaly it last year in the middle of the year was not when Google really initially started launching new Android versions that's not one that days came out they came out in the fall so because the nexus s was launched that at i/o that previous year yeah so it has been go ahead I don't mean er I want to move on because I know we have a hard stop in just about 10 minutes our view count continues to go up again thanks guys for joining us I know this is a closed hang out right now but on Friday at 2pm come and hang out with us at the real pocket now live yeah Tony will be dancing Michael would be singing taylor okay Oh Microsoft tada sound no it's not that's not it and noticeable notice my face that's a little throaty so the last thing I can think of that happened that relates to these smallish announcement is is google play games is anyone excited about this well because it's cross-platform I do you can make it up cricket's it's cross-platform no its cross-platform gaming which means what it means that you can play a game say angry birds and get to level 70 or whatever level on your android tablet or your android phone you pick up at the other device and you could start 71 so you finish that which is an iOS iOS uses a u.s. uses game saying center that's something that I really want to see work before I consider it a success on so have it so how is that so so we'll angry birds on iOS work with both game center and play games not i don't know i don't think so i don't think so either and that's the real tragedy because i've been i've just i've said this what it says several times like I always get up to like to third through Angry Birds three stars on all the levels and then I change phones and it's like yeah but I don't know how that'll work but that's what they were saying is that it's cross platform and that you pick up you know Angry Birds on iOS and it picks up where you left off on Android I don't know how that works they would have to read from some game center API or something but um the thing i'm warden like most excited about is the smallest thing is the cloud the cloud messaging I guess it is google cloud messaging that syncs your notifications across all your android devices yeah so i just miss a notification on my HTC One and it's gone on my Nexus 7 mi Nexus 10 and what is that bit is that is that an Android what what allows that to happen to the nap google cloud messaging that's like that's a service from google that's for developers and they can enable this really small line of code to sync across multiple devices so for example if you got a if you had swype on your tab not swipes skype on your tablet and you had skype on your phone and you got a miss call from Michael Fisher and you swept it away on your phone you go to tablet and it's not there right as long as you pull out the nexus 7 from the drawer yes as long as you use an iPad so i don't know i think that eighty percent of the public uses an iPad and an android phone I think that's just the way the public is you see it all the time here at least here so that is a very cool feature I just don't see a lot of benefited in the usual the demographic ya know it in the demographic as it stands but I think they're they're projecting toward the future and they're saying we want a world where people have android phone android tablet chrome on the desktop birds now one thing that i did--like is i don't know if you guys notice whenever they came up with all the with all this code on the screen and the guy was showing you know this virtual way for developers to see how the application will will scale from a phone to a 10 inch tablet to assess tablet but i found that to be awesome I mean yeah you know everybody was like cheering everybody was going like crazy like Google finally you guys complain that we don't build any anytime any applications for tablets and now you're finally giving us the tools and that's math nerds yes that conference was or two thirds that keynote was Google saying please tablet apps make them now please please PLEASE tablet apps and I do believe that the tools are gonna be there now so that's something else we didn't talk about it's very technical but Android change to their development tool set to something that is much better I just want to happen it's one app before I think was a series of tools right oh I think wasn't it there's an IDE which is that we just gotta induce is something develop me tomorrow I was a high I don't know interstellar development interstitial development whatever uh interface development I can't remember what it means point is goo is really trying too hard to push tab of apps in fact the new version of google play which i still haven't gotten slightly new has a better section 44 tablet apps so that you can say oh what looks awesome I've been wonderful if it once before I made that video yes search for days Taylor what's up all night trying to find beautiful android apps and then the next day google made it like one click kind of easy it's google is you know how it goes so so guys we want to wrap up here a lot of cool stuff happened some stuff to be excited about with updates to Google now I mean this is obviously all for android users and maybe a little bit for iOS users if you're using uh you know uh you know games and stuff and hangouts on iOS now right I mean yeah I'm gonna ask you a small question you know part of the conspiracy theory you know the hottest two phones that are going to push Android this year are out right now which is the HTC one in the galaxy s4 do you guys wonder if if Google held that held back there next version of android to allow these phones to mature a little bit because we do know and we always complain about the fact that you know you know we get the newer version of Android and then our phones are pretty much already you know obsolete so could it be that the OEMs talk to Google they were like come on man just give us the new version of Android before you announce it let us play with it first we're going to port it on time for everybody launch it with the hottest phones and your new version of and it's a it's a win-win-win for for Google to to delay the next version of android to get more time to develop but they get to see iOS 7 they they allow the HTC one in the galaxy s4 to mature and seem a little bit old and they get more time to work on hardware that's going to crush the galaxy s4 and the HTC One and maybe the motorola x phone is going to be the key liya hai come on forget about the motor relax phone that thing does not exist there are pictures and FCC filings yeah yeah and it looks like and it looks like the HTC first that's just about to be recalled you know on AT&T seriously you know everybody everybody's been asking me on parking out daily in the comments water what do you head of what have you learned about the motor electron like nothing nobody's seen that that you know you've got one photo but there's no confirmation that phone actually exists it's tougher the FCC filing and and and only no time just about ideas about every other motorola planning the razor that phone is going to be another piece to the s that's what it's gonna be I point in in Google holding off I don't think they really net technically held off mainly because I think they just wanted to release the next version of android with a foam because they released jelly bean with a tablet and tablets for Android still aren't really a major driving force and they've never really launched a phone in the middle of the year except for the Nexus S which was also a weird anomaly um and I guess they I don't remember when the nexus one was announced I think was announced in the fall like our winner out on it was winter but I think it launched and like februari but anyway that doesn't matter um I think they're just they're not holding off necessarily they just want to release the next version of android with a phone because that's that's their main that's this or bed and butter bang ya with an HTC One you know it's funny Oh a lot I was like oh yeah I have you know these new cool phones the HTC one in the galaxy s4 but then he only launches the Android version the Google version of the galaxy s4 no HTC One Google version yeah that was an interesting move i was i was curious about that and I wondered if I watched the kind of Twitter rumors fly around and they were like yeah you know some some HTC employee was like oh we're thinking about that and then it seems someone really high up an HTC I forgot it was like no we're not shut up all right guys I'm pulling the plug here I'm pulling the plug on this hangout thank you everyone for joining us we have got a little PSA the podcast tomorrow and the day after that we've got pocket now live where you guys can come and hang out with us and ask ask us your questions and we can talk with you but until then leave us a comment on this video or on the post on pocket now and let us know what you liked about Google i/o and what you're excited about but for now we're we're going to hit the end of broadcast button and call it a day happy I o day everybody