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and we're live we're already talking about the Galaxy S 9 we've got rumors on the horizon and maybe maybe we'll see an S 9 Mini next year I don't know fingers crossed a sprint choo-choo chooses Hulu to fight t-mobile and Netflix and Plus we've got a lot to talk about when it comes to the 1 plus 5t our buddy Ryan aka fried face drops by the podcast to chew through all the news that's fit to print we've got a lot to talk about so make sure you're charged and ready for episode 279 of the PocketNow weekly recorded November 17th at noon pacific this weekly podcast is where we dissect and discuss those gadgets that make our lives mobile smartphones tablets and wearables it's all the stuff you wished existed when you were a kid and one plus 5t was just a silly easy algebra problem i'm juan carlos back now senior editor at pocketnow.com joined as always by plucky podcast producer and in one window our buddy ryan joining the show welcome to both of you out on the east coast oh I so he used the same time wrong yes I think I've been super uncomfortable Jules well done it only took what 30 seconds into the podcast and now we're off and running well the script is hey Ryan nice to meet you finally we use like podcast media landscape of course this is my first time being on podcast and we're sharing the awkward one year but apiece while we're talking to the same microphone but we're also recording two separate files for this because of course I don't think anyone needed rvts that's that's that's fine I think we get it it's some tech news but Ryan Before we jump into some news man so you're a production assistant you've been doing some video editing and you've recently started cutting together your own YouTube videos tell us like what kind of tech beat are you covering right now and what have you started with I saw a video of you in line for the iPhone 10 okay yeah you know I just want to give you guys a quick run-through I've been a huge tech enthusiast since the launch of the t-mobile g1 I've been falling parking now ever since Brandon minima was there so I I'm from the og day to day og days so a lot of history PocketNow but I'm I work for an Asian American channel right now called the Fung brothers but what I wanted to do was I wanted to create a tech content for mainstream consumers so what I'm planning to do is I'm going to do a lot of Street interviews I always see you know a lot of fanboy arguments online so there's going to be Street interviews where I ask real world opinions from real people and I just wanted to experiment with different concepts when it comes with tech to trying to make it so it has a more mainstream appeal you know a lot of my friends aren't into tech as yeah we probably go and he's cut incorporated food into his content as well yes quite interesting I recommend that you check it out also check out our podcast while we're on the air we're going to be talking about the 1 + 5 t we're going to be talking about a whole bunch of other news that's happened this week so what you want to do is go to Twitter and make sure that you're talking to us at the hashtag PN weekly we have a bunch of other people on the show right now that are just getting that conversation up and going if you can't be here right now if you're listening to this post production then you should send us an email we do these mailbag episodes every end of the month and that would be a podcast of pocketnow.com would be the email address that you send it to but in the meantime it's hashtag P and weekly and we'll be on and off our merry way beautiful all right well let's let's run into some news breakdown we're gonna save the 1 + 5 1 plus 5t conversation for second half of the show but we've got the top headlines from pocketnow.com we can chew through those real quick and get a get the lay of the land on what's going on in all things mobile indeed so for the week of November 12 2017 this is all the news that's fit to podcast there may be a galaxy s 9 mini on the way but we wouldn't buy it because it's all just hearsay for now there's a galaxy s nine many that's supposed to come with the galaxy s 9 and Plus apparently it's going to take on all the modern design language such as then Fetty display but again we haven't seen this model for since the s5 money so we're gonna have to keep checking on that make sure that that's a real thing the meantime galaxy s 18 gots the s8 plus users in the US on Sprint t-mobile may have had to suffer a little bit in terms of the Android Oreo update Galaxy beta program has stopped temporarily to fix an issue with those two carriers variants on those devices in the meantime Sprint is offering up free Hulu this is in a direct ballad towards t-mobile and Netflix pairing up for a free service if you get an unlimited data plan you'll get a free basic tier of subscription to cool as well rock mobile is something that we might want to talk about a little bit later but they're an interesting in vno and they have a deal going on with three months of service for 99 bucks usually it's $45 per month and there's also free international calling texting and a whole bunch of other stuff and I do want to save this for later because there's some tequila involved in this conversation not enough tequila in our tech chats I feel not not going to record midnight thenn adronis now after that we've never used it I'm on like Boop and darn oh I really should be swearing no G is having its own Black Friday Festival these are all black friday news but they're not really like they go pass beyond black friday in any case if you get an LG v 30 or v 30 plus and then get any other LG products you get up to $400 back in a prepaid card i mean it's that simple there are some exclusions but it sound like a great deal and yes if you're not taking advantage of a official carrier BOGO or Bobo offer for the v30 or if you just buy for phones and total like two pairs you that will count towards the $400 prepaid gift card so that's interesting nearly four million Apple watch shipments were made in the third quarter in the wake of the Apple watch series three cellular taking on about fifth of those shipments wore of the cellular kind and this is pretty interesting to see when we have competition stiffening up from Xiaomi and also fitbit's which has revived its own SmartWatch efforts in this quarter actually so it's interesting to see that growing again Apple is rumored to be planning on a 3d sensor something more of a true depth camera that we see on the front of an iPhone 10 right now that's a lot for face ID and whatnot we're gonna see that on the rear of a 2099 job yeah where are we talking about a year plus from now and this is only going to expand the potentials for AR they have a arcade right now and perhaps they're even be seeing more software uses going beyond that but speaking of face ID let's talk about a certain family from Saks Staten Island actually not too far away from here who have a fun time trying to get their child their son that can you old send from not running into his mother's iPhone 10 big eyes so it's a dad and a mom they both got iPhone tens and they introduced their son to and it's like hey I'm just gonna try this face ID thing I was to see if it's really you know what it's cracked up to be and reliably and consistently he has been able to unlock his mother's phone now there was one time where he was also able to unlock his dad's phone but that has been basically a fluke so we've already dealt with the non-identical siblings we had a couple of brothers that were able to game the system for a bit and there's all the other kind of evil twin you know that's been going on so I mean we're getting we're pitting down on this idea that one-in-a-million attempts will be a fossil of false positive and with all these little fringe cases of you know hey your mom you look like your mom or you look like your dad and oh I just happened to go into their iPhones as well because my faces are apparently that much similar to them I mean it's it really underscores I think some of the disappointment where we can look at a phone like the Galaxy Note and you have more choice over how you want to protect that device and and we know Apple is not really a consumer choice kind of company they've decided that this is how the iPhone is going to operate and this is what we're all just going to use moving forward but we weren't seeing these anecdotal test cases and we're seeing these these situations where it's probably gonna be fine for most people out there but there are enough folks that are affected in this in a different way that it should cause some concern and whether or not these people want to continue using face ID instead of using like a pin or a passcode now that's their that's their option that's now their choice what worked fine with fingerprint sensors and would have prevented this kind of unauthorized access is now no longer available I did think it was hilarious though that it was it was it the the father the quote that you guys pulled from Wired it was funny at first but it wasn't really funny afterward my wife and I text all the time and there might be something we don't want him to see that's terrible justification for saying well if like he has a food delivery app his mother has a food delivery app and if you know the son wants to get into the iPhone 10 and just continue to buy ice creams over and over again that would feel like you crazy he's like one of the top students in this class I mean is he's generally well behaved now my wife has to delete her text when there's something she doesn't want Ahmad said look at your like I really I think this is a larger conversation in your family about boundaries and personal information and stuff this doesn't this isn't really the issue we're talking yeah I had an iPhone 10 and I returned it because I was just so dissatisfied with it I was about to say I was interviewing people yesterday I gave them the chance to go hands-on with an iPhone 10 and the pics to excel and the thing that came with the most is most people hate the fact that they removed the fingerprint scanner and you know hearing about these cases it just it just blows my mind that Apple today you know like the inconsistency of face idea I'm surprised they even like I mean I'm surprised they even made it the sole way of authentication so I mean we've seen this spun by its hardware engineer I forget his name okay that software but in any case he was saying that there was never a plan to include touch ID in this iPhone whatever it was going to be at the time because this was good if we're going to go into the future we're gonna go all the way and that counteracts a lot of talk of designs last-minute changes and just overall confusion and and worried going on at the Apple campus because all the use of parts we're not coming together right and there was worried that it would be there wouldn't be enough time to properly test it at the software level so I mean it's all rhetoric aside this has not been the most easiest thing to negotiate between the company and the consumer and I don't think if we dug into the store a little bit more it's just gonna be more money and I don't think it's as seamless like what I'm trying to say it's much easier to spoof base ID than it is touch ID with touch ID would have to go like make an extra effort to get with someone's actual fingerprint while face ID yeah so just because you have so many data plots you have you can project so many dots right the replica replication rates how easily you're able to have a you know produce the same ones is it was kind of like that's the key here it doesn't matter how many of these things you have it just matters that they're easily replicable and with that like cheap hack that a university did with the software with the 3d printing of a mask it's very finagle II but it's possible and if there's someone out there that's willing to put in the work to get the data that you have great that's that's an issue well and that's this is similar I think to some of the the security outlets that we're doing spoofing a finger prints so you know if someone really wants your data they'll go through that but what I think is interesting is the same time that we have face ID as the system to unlock the iPhone the iPhone actually does come with the hardware to defeat face ID I mean technically you could go around with that front camera system and come up with custom software to scan someone's face to make a better map of whatever mask that you wanted to print to then get into the device did Oh other devices to I mean I was at Sony phones have that 3d mapping built into the camera so you can send it off to like a 3d printer to make a replica of a knick-knacker or even if someone's face PSO some sort of Heat's metric of temperature metric or body you know so there's gotta rub it on your face first and then hold it up to the phone and you'll be fine but yeah that's inherent biometric that's not easily replicable and that's because I'll still say I mean we kind of talked about this last week too but there was one extra piece of safety on a fingerprint in that you could choose what finger to use you know like that that in itself is actually one piece of security through obscurity is you're not entirely sure I mean we all have a pretty good idea that someone's probably mapped a thumb on an iPhone the way that that home button works but conceivably I like when my mom was really using her Galaxy s5 I think it was I think she had an index finger bat you know like if you want why not map a ring finger and that's gonna be one of the least likely fingers someone's gonna try to get a fingerprint off of to then use on some kind of sensor so there's now definitely a chance that that could you know release some of the liabilities off of touch ID and that's what people but with face ID if I'm trying to break into your phone Ryan I'm pretty sure I know what face you used like lock the phone down it's not a big mystery I want to just touch on the smart watches for a bit because I you know we are we talking about smart watches but it just seems it feel so stagnant recently with the demise or the malaise of Android wear 2.0 and the fact pere fact that we haven't been talking about the ionic fit Bionic as much as we you know the main splash it's all been Apple watch series do cellular oh my god look at the sales you know it's funny I was debating on whether I should get my first SmartWatch a few looking because they were discounting the gear s3 okay because for me you know I think it's just redundant the fact that it wouldn't last more than over a day of charge I mean most Mart watches from my knowledge they still use OLED panels right toilet panels but the thing is you know like I have five small hands okay but uh but you know like everything that besides from you know fitness tracking like yeah I don't I don't need to have my notifications all the time on my phone and just having an extra device to charge every night it's just a hassle to me so we're you know thinking all about Fitbit you know I had a Fitbit before but the problem with Fitbit aside topic is that like the materials that they utilize in the way that's not hypoallergenic and plus you know the heart rate sensor has to press against your wrist to get an accurate hardly reading so that's just an uncomfortable experience right sure I mean we're kind of doing the whole diagnose your problem here right now have you considered polar Polar what polar is a maker of heart rate sensors they're dedicated to that kind of thing and even looking at a bunch of their their stuff m600 it runs Android wear like they've been getting to that recently so that's an interesting thing Jaime Rivera has had lots of praise to go along with that says that that accuracy is something like I was like a chest-mounted okay you mean I'm I'm not a huge fitness junkie and the last time I used an Android wear device was the LGG watch you know when it was still his first initial stages I didn't I didn't think the watch interface was that intuitive but I I have been looking at Samsung's Tizen OS for its gear smartwatches and I actually think the fact that you could navigate do SmartWatch with the clock the bezels controls are great just to give us some color these are members from panelists and it's a 3.9 million Apple watches with 3.6 million Fitbit was a 3.5 million and then you go come all the way down to fourth place which was Samsung but by my estimate it's about eight hundred thousand units so that's a whole magnitude and I'm surprised I I know the hallway watch is super popular I'm surprised it's not when the top sellers rain annually they were in the top five and they like it said here the while we watch T only scored 200,000 shipments oh okay which is yeah well is it for a for this year because I know it's not the first iteration right yeah sorry I was trying to be smooth about it now we're trying to move the mic around it's crazy in any case yeah it's been kind of interesting I've lost my train of thought they've tried really hard it's not there it's not to fault them for having bad hardware they always do an amazing job or at least you know starting from like the Nexus 6p we've been placed a great phone great ability ever since then they've done an amazing job in the hardware department Android wear 2.0 just triples everything it touches yes I mean speaking of hardware's just side note I and this is a very unpopular opinion but I think for the first generation pixels I think Google just should have compromised and just let quawi slap on their logo and have them make the first generation pixels the the lack of facing because I try to transition from a 6p to to the pixel XL and the lack of front-facing speakers especially since Apple emblem started implementing it last year with the southern plus and southern there's a huge letdown because you know it's always interesting to see what people are all right so I was here originally for the oneplus but not originally for the one post five to you but but for I think you helped by pet comm it's one of those event organizers that gets tech ODMs and OMS together and you know that they do a showcase every so often for the media and this happened to be one of their holiday season spectacular is and whatnot and I was gonna plop on by for that it just so happened that that day 1 + 5 t was was gonna happen and it just so happened that I had a ticket but in any case one of the things one of the companies that immense at comm was rock mobile and they've been around for a few years now it started it was started up by one of the founders the founders of patron I think I believe it was patron and also another venture capital group and you know he's made a lot of money from tequila and he just wants to give back so like there's a whole bunch of stuff why the original plans was like they includes like Tolman three telemedicine services excuse me and insurance from top partners like Chubb home security from ATT and so I go after like the underserved under banked communities and you know it's just it's a private adventure so they don't have things to talk about in terms of you know having to answer to the board or whatnot so I mean that kind of tickled my heart a little bit and they have this deal going on it's like yeah but this did well if I'm not mistaking they're peeing back off of Springs GMA Network so the main deal for this is three months for $99 service it's a little bit voice text and LTE although it's not even like it's not even like you have a high-speed data book it's just regular you go up to 20 gigabytes and they you know throttle which is kind of standard practice video stream is 480p to be expected but yeah that's and there's also free international calling and texting which I don't believe is standard on the Sprint side but I'm going to check on that and you know in the post that is wrong in any case there's also a thing for Verizon - I don't know why there's a like they they don't they can't save Verizon on their site but it's red and it says CDMA so that's that's one of the things that's going on so I think props to them that's my opinion have you ever done anything with virtual operators other than like a project v which is one of our go-to yeah I mean the only one that I'm currently using his project file and so that's to toggle t-mobile and Sprint and I guess like US Cellular that I don't know it was working through USL territorial I think the last one that I did business with was a straight talk and so that was a before joining the PocketNow team was actually a while before joining the PocketNow team so as almost maybe four years ago and that was back when you had to sort of specify a t-mobile SIM card they were they were one of the few options that I thought did a really good job of kind of balancing good coverage with sort of respectable prices now like the whole MVNO space is kind of blown up we even got a comment on Twitter you know someone's saying hey if you're talking about M V you knows you should check out ting and I think my brother might still be on ting but you know it's one of those things it's we now have a few options and a few choices for people to cover we still have to play the same game though what backbone service they're on and then whether or not you get good coverage for that service so you know if you're on an MVNO that relies on Sprint I don't know that I'd maybe recommend them out here in the valley where sprint coverage gets really spotty from block to block sometimes it's awesome and then literally a hundred yards away you'll be down to 3G CDMA so that's really the only thing that I would say is it's not like a buyer beware but it's just a do your homework and see who offers you not only a good rate because the rate doesn't matter as much I mean like I could pay five bucks a month for zero coverage and that would be a waste of five bucks a month so you just want to know in your area who you're really doing business with on and on what towers yeah I mean like we're going into the 5g age and everyone's been trying to get together and improve their networks Sprint has announced its backhaul deal with LTS a cable provider that serves a few states in this in the United States and also t-mobile has been you know hey we have six hundred megahertz now so AT&T and Verizon kind of caught you know like like with their foot lagging behind so I mean the network can always change but you want to deal with what you have right now and Sprite might not be the best idea maybe Verizon is but check it out check out the Rocklin thing well it's just you're just being a sweetie giving them some love soft heart you know that's that's that's fair to say I think at the time like 5g become a standard I think it should be compliant I think all carrier should be compliant in eliminating any tier data plan I mean unless it's for a budget plan because I for a for LT I understood you know like there's there's a lot of capacity that the towers have to handle this you know like where we're getting to the point where you have to compete with the rest of the world like either either you either throttle and like no overages or get rid of it's your day to play well a lot of what you know unsexy thing about virtual operators that they purchase data wholesale and you know so that's you know part of the bucketing that they have to do buy great yeah in any case Sprint Hulu what which do you usually use more often who are Netflix what oh no I'm on Netflix all the time yeah now it just kind of feels it doesn't it feel a little bit and I don't mean to besmirch any of these companies but if you were looking at not one of the first or second place cellphone carriers I think a lot of people are probably shopping t-mobile and more more aggressively than Sprint so that feels like Sprint's like the consolation prize carriers and then the same thing you know with the original content that's going out on Netflix right now I kind of feel like there are plenty of people there are a ton of people who are still on hulu but netflix is making more noise so hulu starts to feel like the consolation prize video streaming service it's like t-mobile and netflix and Sprint and Hulu you know it's like it's got like that kind of consumer awareness disparity between between the the partnerships to politically inject think you know things into it but there's so the advantage to AT&T and Verizon is that they they're they're farming their own original content it's in their exclusive pens and whatnot and you know sometimes they use you know b-grade stars and that we haven't really heard of whereas recently we've had to deal with you know the sexual assault allegations that have kind of you know made viewing kind of a guilty thing kind of a debate and wondering okay should I really be paying my money to these kinds of services and you know who which is you know has all the network programming there's always gonna be something you know that you can point to for a star that's started and then there's also Netflix which is the Big Kahuna of original content that's its own thing so and of course you know we find a couple of big names that have confessed to this so it's always interesting to see you know the dynamics externally of you know these media companies getting together with the tubes with the with the pipe providers and seeing what happens because if they're not integrated and they can't have a bottom line that's jarett bottom line well we're trying to see if this makes economical sense for the carriers and for the media companies at this point oh thank god I use crunchyroll or kdramas or whatever yeah well I'm shocked that like you know Project Fire doesn't have a tie-in with YouTube red now oh that would be I totally should I mean not a VP I need to be a president of marketing no V just pee and Rachel's voice yeah and finally last night Minnie how do you feel about small phones so I did not get a chance to read the article and pucking out but upon very little it's just a whole bunch of waffling from other sources and there when I heard you said s9 Minnie I was assuming okay this is not gonna be a real Minnie s night it's going to be a mid-range version like because the last time I thought I think there was a proper you know compacts original flagship that was all Sony experience even the X Z X which was recently like when was the last time you thought they released a you know I think the pixel the pixel is like the closest like this quarter which shows how much awareness Sony how nice idea they meant although aims in general I mean well I mean yeah but still it shows how much favor Sony has in the market which is to say not much at all there those puzzles because they mainly sell in Japan and those was to be fair yeah they're not any thicker than the pixel - well I'll say this like I said first impression like I didn't get to I get to read up on these rumors yet but I thought it was gonna be a mid-range device that was probably gonna head to t-mobile like or it's it's just gonna sell in Asia it's never gonna come stateside and there's probably gonna be some compromise like on the specs as well like it'd probably be a 1080p display but from what I'm hearing like if it does have an infinity display like I I think this could truly be a compact flagship that's always our hope and but I've already displayed like I know and we're talking about 10 even if it's like a 4 inch 1080p display that's gonna be up there and the pixel depth yeah yeah what's the rumored screen size it will sub 5 inches is the thing some 5 minutes really which would be crazy on a two by one since they'd like the height to great is it do we know if there's 16 by 9 or 18 by 9 now well I mean you were you know 50 60 18 point 5 by 9 which is display that's that I when we talk my infinity it's display the encompasses the aspect ratio I would think Samson correct me if I'm wrong Samsung do you do you think Wan do you think the s9 mini if there is one do you think he'll come stateside no I don't I think the majority of the marketing that Samsung puts into the United States is gonna focus on an s9 and an s9 + just like we saw this year with an Si and si plus I agree with the sentiment on unfortunately I right now smaller phones aren't making any headlines the xperia x z1 compact was one of my favorite phones of the year it's right up there for me with the V 30 and the BlackBerry key one in courting a very specific audience and when that phone's right for you it is literally a perfect fit for you as opposed to sort of gonna all-rounder if Samsung were to pull this off I unfortunately think Samsung would probably fall down the trap of making it a mid-range device banking off of the s-series name like they did before with the s5 mini I would really love to see their take on a 4.7 to 4.9 maybe even a 5-inch 18 point 5 by 9 aspect ratio because that would be a legitimately small phone the regular s8 is a 5.8 inch right which in roughly the same general volume of space as as like a 5.1 inch phone like I'd like a huawei p10 something about seven I mean if it was even a little bit smaller the Galaxy s8 with even a little bit smaller than the galaxy s7 with its 5.1 inch display let me get sort of overall volume I think you know we're talking we're talking to being a gap between 2014 or 2015 and 2017 and mid rangers like if you were to put a mid-range chip from then into Interphone now that's that stupid ring will never get software update once ever has to by 2017 mid rangers tonk at Snapdragon 625 we're talking about more capable chips that drag less and just are known for their endurance so I think we're in pretty safe territory even if this is a mid-range right I think I think the conversation we would have is Samsung don't get out of bed for less than a billion dollars it's it's not whether or not I think Samsung could have the chops to deliver something it's if it's called an s9 mini they're banking on the cachet of the s name and we know that that's going to be a premium phone it's just disappointing because I I miss some of the more daring design experiments of Samsung of old when I'm when I one of my all-time favorite phones is I mean I think people have heard me say this before I think Samsung Pete with the note 4 and now my favorite phones from Samsung are all actives but that same year we got the Galaxy alpha and that was an amazing small form-factor it was just a little ahead of its time for that smaller battery capacity with the chipsets that were coming out around the Qualcomm 801 805 era it really couldn't hang as an all-day companion content device nowadays if we were to deliver something like that I think we would be in much better territory I wasn't the Galaxy alpha and 18 t exclusive in the u.s. it was too exotic when it comes from I don't think it killed it but Samsung had already started moving on I think like they had looked at that sort of harder-edged rectangular look with the grippy back as opposed to having glass and we were already sort of shifting to so unfortunately the Alpha I think was just sort of a phone in the pipeline that really didn't have much support I think if it had been advertised as hard as like the note 4 it would have been a more popular option even for its 18 t exclusivity but we know that Samsung can put out a nice small form factor device it's more can they find the niche where that's appropriate that they can keep their profit margins high and we don't feel like we're getting an overly compromised device that's more about labels than it is actual performance and that's a really difficult balancing act right now when I just got my hands on a Moto G 5s it's a $250 phone and this thing is is kind of awesome you know especially when we're gonna be talking about one plus 5t territory now the guys playing at the mid-range and I mean that in terms of pricing like with a thousand dollar phone out there from Samsung and Apple five hundred dollar devices are mid pack players now and under that we're getting amazing experiences III don't know that we need to turn to a Samsung to deliver a mini that were gonna pay more for that Samsung badge on the back there's plenty of tide shifting between I mean Huawei itself itself was trying to go for the gun and reach number one volume by by 2020 or 20 and 18 or whatever so any chance that we can see new operator or even like older mid-size operators try and run the score up I think is yeah but I think Samsung's strength will probably be playing more in like a galaxy a series like if they really if they really want to make it make them move into a small form-factor phone or a mid-range ER or something like that if they call it an A Series and this is what's so funny is this is how much names matter right right I think anyway any consumers would buy a potential s9 Mini they did wouldn't be a tech enthusiast like you and I they would just be buying the s9 made based on the Samsung brand name like they would do to know that they could get a essential phone for five hundred I mean what it's simply possibly have the cachet they have the marketing dollars and you know it sucks you know to have to be complacent about it but and I have to say everything you know the signature Samsung theme song it gets me it makes everything seems ten times more beautifully I was about to pick up a note eight and said my pixel XL to just because they had a really good like marketing video yeah everyone's always so happy when they're taking selfies and whenever it boots up to like unfortunately oneplus didn't get to incorporate that you know what I'm talking about oh and that yeah in just a few minutes the p-n weekly hash tag has been dominated by 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was not really a I think you guys should start off there what was the event like so the events I had a blast you know just like by meeting everyone Dave I didn't honestly I wasn't I didn't have a blast about the five T because I was a Verizon customer you know no CDMA support kind of just killed it for me but the general impression that I have the whole one plus five is my key strategy it's the same way I felt before what Samsung did with the s6 in the note 5 yeah you know it's it's not much of the difference it's just the difference in screen size same goes for one plus I don't think you really changed any of the specs aside from the 89 absolutely let's get into the fact sheet a little bit here so of course there's 835 same as the 1 plus 5 different screen as he said 6 inches but it's a 2.1 display it has the same optic AMOLED technology as before with white color gamut and very it's a 80% screen body ratio and you have this typical 6 gigs or 8 gigs of ram the cameras and I believe this is where Parker coming on this because they went with a zoom strategy for a dual camera system in the rear for the 1+5 and they've changed it up I believe because they had this new sensor instead the 20 megapixel support sensor is the Sony Isaac's 376 keh keh which I believe is for black as in CMYK with the cyan magenta you know color it's a monochrome sensor a monochrome sensor which helps out for details for lossless zoom they're promoting for this they're both had the same focal length so I was wondering them if this gives more credence to what Kwame has been doing instead of Apple you know they have had their own routes to home for dual camera systems to exhume and the color monitor thing I was wondering what your take on that is well so far my fav for a dual sensor strategy is still matched sensors Huawei started this off using with like--is design where you had a color and RGB sensor and a monochrome sensor that for JPEGs those the images from both of those sensors are emerged and it creates a really lovely contrast and detail effect that you can't get with a single sensor solution like we still haven't seen it duplicated from a single sensor so I mean the different dual sensor strategies you've got a zoom in from Samsung and Apple and I think Asus is employing that one plus was using that on the oneplus 5 you've got a wide which only LG has been doing so that the single the secondary sensor is an ultra wide almost a panorama in a single click kind of field of view and then now we've got Huawei Motorola Motorola is using matched sensors and the one plus 5t so they all have their individual pros and cons for me I'm always gonna be happiest with your everyday normal photos being augmented and so LG did something really interesting with the glass lens in the G in the V 30 where it's a really crispy look it's one of the sharpest phone cameras we've ever reviewed and then that's you know that that's got to be contrasted against Huawei with Leica using this image merging process the problem that I I'd the worry I have with oneplus is replicating the hardware is only a third the battle there's a very particular look that I enjoy from Huawei cameras and that all has to come down to taking the the image data from two sensors and merging it through a very particular aesthetic and that's that like a look I think it's really funny when people complain like oh well in low-light photos on my on my qual ways I I see a little extra grain and it's a little noisier and Leica engineers have never been afraid of noise they consider texture in your photos a feature not a bug and so I like the look of that style of photography especially you start pushing into low-light or you want that monochrome look it's got a very photographic feel to the output from that camera I am not entirely confident that one-plus engineers can can replicate that or come up with their own aesthetic to be pleasing so right now hopefully what we'll see is an improvement to contrast and clarity and that oneplus engineers have found a photo look like maybe they'd go with a slightly more HDR style processing where the the exposure rates between the main camera sensor the color sensor and the black-and-white sensor captures more dynamic range in a more sort of a squashed kind of HDR look that could be an interesting benefit but the other thing that we've got to take a look at is I believe this is only going to be an electronically image stabilized so that we're not gonna have Hardware stabilization on the main camera like we do on Huawei which takes us all the way back to the P 9 p9 was still a wonderful performer for stills I have every faith that oneplus has the horsepower to electronically or software stabilized video but these are a lot of changes this is a this is a very different setup from where we were on the one plus five and this is a company that tends to need that extra couple updates out of the box before these things are running smooth so the initial reviews that you're gonna see on the 5t if the cameras are performing kind of weak I wouldn't be overly concerned because every single time we've had a one plus it's around the six-month mark that that stuff starts getting really good I want to switch to the narrative surrounding 15 just a second because I think that brings up a good point but I just think that the oneplus 5 was heavily crippled by a zoom level 2.6 F that was well but I don't know that any any other zoom lens has been so substantially better I mean the galaxies don't really really the top performer like f 1.9 is that what it time yeah also the fact that we zoom sensors so that you don't have a huge lump of glass sticking out the back of your phone these zoom sensors are also smaller so you're dealing with the crop it's kind of like if you go from a full-frame camera to an aps-c but you use the same lens it looks like you've zoomed that's because you're using less of the glass on that lens so you're actually cropping the glass you're not cropping from a digital sense like you're cutting pixels out of a photo like this there's a central size - and you know you still need light you still need a discernable amount of light in order to well and that's that's that's why I actually really do like this move of going to match sensors yeah so if you so for example if you try and use portrait mode on an iPhone or a note the note can go darker than the iPhone can so like you can push farther in tonight but the portrait mode depends on the zoom sensor being the main capture sensor and the wider sensor being the one that's fleshing out the depth information for the camera to know where to blur the background eye that means that for the iPhone there are just plenty of times even in regular indoor lighting that the iPhone is going to tell you oh you don't have enough light to use portrait mode or you're too close because you you there's a minimum focusing distance but that a zoom sensor can can reach and it's way farther away from the phone than the normal sensor so with matched sensors you don't have that problem you get depth information from two of the same focal length sensors and those sensors should be larger so because both of the sensors are the same size they're both larger you don't have to worry about playing this game of shrinking one sensor down to reach a higher crop factor to simulate the experience of a 2 X optical zoom so the hole is better overall for this iteration and then any bugs that might be coming and that gets into the narrative that they wanted to paint at one Plus where they basically went through the entire history of the company if you want to go in jump in when I'll start off with my saying the 1 plus y I you know what's what's fun vacuum cleaning you know I actually have yet to use a smartphone with the match sensor because none of the OEMs are available on Verizon I'll sew it it's interesting to see if Google does adopt a dual camera setup like if they're associated sync to see which type of setup they go for I personally think they're either gonna go for soom lens or a wide-angle lens I don't think they're gonna go with a match if ever they do decide to go with as you'll think I mean they have obviously demonstrated with their single camera unit on the pixel to pixel to excel that portrait and computational mathematics are and have been able to do for the most part pretty good jobs unfortunately it's just why the big hyper things--that's is a consumer trends in electronics which is weird but when they start when he talked about the 1+1 and you know let's think to the fans and I think they decided like admitted to going for the mainstream for the 1 plus 2 and the 1 plus X and they found not much not much take us they found lots of enthusiasm but not much take-up because it wasn't a product for them and so they realized that they copied themselves in and well since that's been the story system 1 plus 3 where they do value hardware value hardware as we've seen the price go up of course no disrespect to oneplus but if they so claim that they were listening to the fans when developing the 1 + 5 t I think they would have they should have implemented a wide-angle lens because I don't think the majority of one-plus fans are really into portrait photography that's my two cents I think I kind of I disagree I think one we're kind of looking at the influence that elbow has over the space and we can make a lot of selfie and portrait II kinds of phones so I think they're getting to piggyback on that but that sort of become one of the general consumer trends you know Apple does it now we kind of expect flagship grade phones to have some kind of software background blur effect understand why they're doing it it makes sense to me that that this is a part of the strategy that they're wanting to keep pace with the rest of the industry yeah it's a whole propagation and of course you know when may to a Chinese company that has this selfie does all the selfie phones and the selfie apps and it gets take up in us for at least a little bit I mean that's that's part of our culture now and that's that's parenting reigned yeah then again though the story about the wide-angle ones not that great anyways from my understood prior to the V thirty there's a fish fish ball is very well to the fish ball yeah there's definitely barrel distortion on the V on the V 20 and on the g5 but from in one generation of phones to the next that's radically improved and I find that if we're gonna change focal lengths the wide angle is significantly more beneficial if you're that kind of person who's out traveling or want to get a bunch of people in a shot or you want someone there and still be a background in fact even with the V 20 sorry Jules real quick even with the V 20 when my daughter took her first steps I was really grateful I had the V 20 because I was way too close to her to get video of it until I flipped wide and I was able to capture the whole living room sitting from the couch so that I could catch her first steps I could catch her walking if I'd had a phone with the zoom sensor that wouldn't have meant anything to me it would have been useless to try and use that and even a normal sort of field of view that sort of 26 to 30 millimeter equivalent field of view I would have gotten a great like portrait shot like head and shoulders of her taking her first steps but that who cares that's not what you need your feet also are the ultimate zoom in your in your in your photos so I think the ultimate form of that is mobile photography where you can walk up to your daughter or son or whoever else but you can never you can never get far enough away to you know to capture the whole thing the whole of the bit of the magical Wonderland castle that is part of Disney World or whatever that you need so I mean that's that's all the part of the the optical story of ivory do you want to touch on a couple of other things here and that is one that would being software did launch with Android Oreo that's gonna be on a beta program from late this year up through early 2018 you would have hoped that Oriole I feel like and you have to the UX guys making a whole spiel about stock Android just goes like and we're not launching with you good yeah I mean I feel like oh em said been lagging on Oreo as opposed to nougat where there was more of a hype of hey here's the LGV 20 the first ever with nougat ends you know that that's that's great you know that's I wish there was more excitement around Android based OS updates I think probably this year the priorities for each OMS have kind of changed I think like this year yeah a lot of them are expanding beyond like because III think unless you're at Apple and Samsung and maybe LG like this Marvel market it's not really gonna generally eat a lot of profit so I think a lot of OMS are looking for other like revenues so like I don't think and the narrative change I mean I would love for OS updates be a bigger thing in Android world but um the priority changed in terms of hardware because they have this display these days right oh look at this extra wide display as opposed to well we've iterated all weekend we've introduced dual cameras last year the year before and now we're going to oh yeah hey look at this thing it's software and that's important it's like the last thing yeah I'm not gonna defend samsung here because I don't think they're perfect company but when the no date launcher you get I was perfectly fine with it because it's not like Oreo offered anything significant better than what sandstone was because they already have some form of picture in picture I believe all right and you can you can theme it and I think like LG in the times I had that before like nougats yeah Samsung has done a great job of optimizing the Samsung user experience that's what you're calling TouchWiz now apparently except some users and also the fact that there was no speaking of the display there's no it was not going to be that jelly scrolling thing apparently because it's not gonna be upside down would find the party or the party yeah they're using a Samsung we're assuming it's the same panel that's probably in the May 10 Pro yeah that's gonna be if that's good in case so I mean it's a different part so at least you know if the problems problem pops up there then we know where else it's gonna pop up but we haven't seen it popping up yet so that's that's good news just I mean it's not really a big thing in terms of time for the whole totality of the phone but it's that like the people were very nitpicky about that it's you last time around it was like they could they just picked up every little people I would be like yeah especially jelly squirrel really convinced you not to buy the five if that had been your your phone of choice everything else is spot-on that's exactly what you wanted in a phone it's the price point that you want in sort of that premium mid-range territory but this scrolling gets a little bouncy when you go through a list that would have convinced you not to buy it know that that's the same thing with the happening at the pixel to excel I was a little bit forgiving with with the you know with the blue shifting button like before Google came out said we're gonna add saturated color profiles I was like man for $850 for this right but we're talking for like 450 yeah I mean I think because I'm constantly on my phone watching content it would it would depend on how bad it is when I when it's an all white background but um it depends on the usage case per unit like if you're buying because no matter how is for one thing it better do what it says on the tin can really and then the the display is first and foremost with my interface yeah so yeah and then want to give a quick mention to Star Wars apparently in the last Jedi is gonna be coming out next month and there's been some code digging going on by some good folks there was an anonymous source but XD a really helped us out here and apparently there might be not only a Star Wars theme going on but also a Star Wars dedicated 1 + 5 t limited edition use your 1 + 5 t for 4528 hours before you unlock all of the premium character wallpapers you got to because I also buy a bunch of like you know a wallpaper crates I think it's only gonna be like around $2,000 worth of wallpaper crates to get all of the premium characters online that's or you could fly to France I mean the work the last two limited edition things I was making a battlefront 2 joke I don't know where you're going Jules I'm sorry I really wanted to you went off in another direction and the crystals they shut down the in-app purchases we can move on from that because they've shut down the in-app purchases for now in-app purchases are coming back I guarantee you in app purchases are coming back after the phone's initial burst after the the game's initial burst or sales I guarantee you they're gonna be like we're not gonna change the the leveling structure you're still gonna have to grind for 4,000 hours oh but wouldn't it be great if we had these loot boxes back that's totally what they're gonna I don't know anything much about Star Wars but I just remember back back in the days Motorola had the exclusivity on Star Wars like Star Wars like the arcuate like really any joy yeah yeah those were intense things as I've been trying to say oneplus has limited edition devices with the 3t they had they partnered with the French design firm Colette's and then also this jean-charles the Castelbajac sorry if I'm butchering his name but he they partnered with a 1 + 5 T 1 plus 5 design now if 1 plus is going to partner if these things you know come out of university is true this is going to be one of the biggest media for interest high ups for oneplus that's that's gonna be important from them I'm not sure it well I think it's important to know what have we been seeing we've been seeing oneplus try and find avenues where they can pivot mainstream this is this is taking us back to what was that gentleman's name you posted that really great video talking about how brands can't succeed Barza yes Mark Martin yeah top talking about how a brand can't succeed if it's only courting like super hardcore diehard enthusiasts like you have to find avenues where you can reach general consumers and that one of the main ways that you can do that is by trying to find some kind of licensing deal or a licensing agreement overseas they don't seem to have problems Opel in 1 plus reaching out to local celebrities I don't mean local is in like you know hometown but I mean like regional celebrities and if they're going to continue to find any kind of traction in North America especially away from the angriest and loudest Android enthusiasts outside of that community talking about their product then this is a huge step in the right direction for them you know like they tried to shut down the phone on jelly scrolling and literally something that most people that use the phone would probably have considered a feature look at how cute the bouncy animations are when I scroll this is fun it reminds me of my Palm Pre you know like that's that would have been a feature for a lot of consumers if it had been billed that way but Android we Android geeks had to try and savage the phone brand based on them mounting the screen upside down court geeks anymore why not just swing mainstream well I mean if you're talking about mainstream they have all the credit in the world and all the money in the world to buy a phone right so let's talk about price it went up again then when it went up by 20 bucks but it went up again so it's $4.99 for the base model that's gigs of ram 64 gigabytes of storage if you're talking about a gigabytes of RAM and 128 gigabytes of storage that's 559 which yeah you know the whole story of things it's good all these feature out grades work the 20 bucks yes when we look at it as a story when we started out 300 bucks you know where this attention is being turned away from tech enthusiasts that wanted very value oriented hardware - well I'm not sure what their attitude is in terms of you know software and whatnot and just you know clean clean Android and this whole stock attitude or anti stock I I think I think this is actually probably the right play the higher price tag actually will go hand in hand with consumers treating this like more of a premium product the fact that it's still in this sub $600 territory might actually work against it for general consumers who are look well it's probably not as good as my iPhone or it's probably not as good as the Samsung even though it's covering all of the basics in a way that most consumers would probably find more than adequate for their daily smartphone computing needs so again this is this is where you have to walk that fine balance if they just came out with the phone tomorrow that was 699 they would be savaged they would be oh they're trying to pull an essential oh no look at one plus they're doing all this stuff like you can't have that conversation immediately so you kind of have to lobster pot your way to making your brand more recognizable for people who are also going to consider it a nice product and not a compromised product because it's less expensive you know do you think I mean starts at $4.99 right yeah do you think the pricing for the components do you think big squeezed in at least a quad HD display because if you think about two years ago like $4.99 was the starting price for a Nexus 6p and that was almost a complete package like I don't know Google was taking a loss on that but personally I think Google was probably at such a razor-thin margin on Nexus because the point of Nexus wasn't to reach the point of pixel is to reach consumers and what did we see from the 6p to the pixel Google's always listening oh Jesus stop so so at it at $4.99 oh yeah don't know what pricing on panels we could expect that they would have the market leveraged to get that kind of preferred pricing on AMOLED what I think is really interesting is how close this phone lands in a comparison against a wall we made 10 Pro I I've never had a chance to use any hallway smart no but I mean like like go spec to spec so you know there are improvements over may 10 pro over the oneplus 5 but we've got probably the same AMOLED panel the same the same dimensions the same size um the mate 10 Pro has a larger battery but 3300 milliamp hour battery on the 1 + 5 t is certainly not a deal-breaker say similar performing chipset between the keren 970 and the 1 + 5 t and just sort of raw computing power but the one the May 10 is going to have all this neural processing unit AI on chip kind of customization stuff happening if that's a benefit if you like that dual cameras that perform very similarly and then the mate em pro arrives with water resistance now the mate em pro is is is obviously a better phone across the board every single individual metric there's some benefit to having the mate 10 Pro does all of that add up to a device that's eighty percent more expensive than a 1 + 5 t and that becomes a much more difficult question to answer right from my last experience using a flyweight phone like hands on a kind of electronic detailer right I thought you know their software is kind of clunky but I did appreciate the extra like features that were built in I haven't used look one pluses oxygen LS but I think some consumers might see the added software like features I was like a benefit like a justification for the higher price and there there is something to be said I don't like Huawei software design like I like the look of emui but having a mate nine almost every single day since its launched has been the phone that has aged the best out of there any Android device that I've used - maybe that last year's pixel XL like they're neck-and-neck and for all of that custom software and all of their their appeals to better garbage collection and better resource management I find that those claims to be somewhat accurate you know I haven't ever felt the need to wipe out a law way like I have a Samsung after four months and it starts to just get that little bit of the jank just that little bit of the Samsung twitch going on so I it's the double edged sword I really wish I could have that kind of optimization and long-term stability with something that was closer to stock Android was something that was cleaner that that was more material design and less of this emui aesthetic and that would make me really happy right yeah do you think do you think the pixel to excel is kind of all just using it sometimes it does I mean if it starts out you know with all these problems that people say that they have I mean if it's if they come out with an RMA and that pixel to exile is going to be fine then I mean so again it depends on what we're talking about with aging I don't think the pixel twos are gonna Ange aged well from a hardware perspective I think they're gonna look pretty rough after about six months of daily use if you don't have them in a case with a screen protector on oh I'm talking about the software experience but the software side is where I have confidence because Google's not a hardware company they're trying they're making efforts but they're not they don't make hardware they make software and I think like the pixel excel I think the software is going to really well but it's we're getting to a point where you know being able to differentiate you know like all my screens got a ton of burn in and the microphones died and one of the speaker's is crackling oh but the software is so smooth you know like that's a terrible smartphone experience that's that's like that's not a thing for an $800 phone that's barely something we would have put up with on a nexus 5x it you know like you know if that's the case Huawei might be the only smart phone manufacturer in my mouth and in my current mindset right now that has a good combination of both hardware and software because Apple has really dropped the ball lately with iOS iOS 11 pretty rough right now they have to play catch-up it's you know it's great to be responsive to these bugs but when you're ending up having to do a lot of public you know dirty laundry about that it's kind of rough to see him actually need to start getting going here pretty sad PN weekly comments that we've been getting on Twitter from Andrew Wallace at fat produce recently a guest on the podcast I still don't understand why oneplus refuses to include an external SD card slot on their devices for that $500 plus price point I think we're actually gonna start seeing the SD card slot vanish like we do the headphone jack I don't think that's long for this world let's write that in 2015 and mate 10 pro pixel iPhone keeps reinforcing it and we're in a market where if Apple can do it anyone can do it I think we're gonna start seeing it vanish maybe even 256 if 256 can be a new standard then hey no strategy I've been carryin pianned weekly the one has the oneplus stepped up the display quality as far as the rest of the phone is okay now not saying 2k but a better tuned 1080p display to see and feel as class-leading I know we had the hands-on video um I don't know I mean like it looks like it's gonna be a solid performer I've been happy with the may 10 pro screen there's nothing that really makes me feel like I'm compromised by using a 1080p wide display yeah you know what we saw under dim stupid tradeshow lights it was better than the pixel to excel in my hands-on experience anyways in terms of all this coverage that we're going to have for the 1 plus 5t how many rivero is going to be handling the book of that and you'll be expecting it sometime but for everyone on this podcast now the last the last one I want to get to is from Panzer Z with the announcement of the 5 T at $4.99 is it really the deal that it used to be when you compare it against the essential pH one which is currently at 449 and what's a 449 now that's for boys what do you do what was the question essential for a metaphor for a central phone at 449 or + 5 t + 4 9 I would choose I would choose the essential fun really neither I I would - I I'd be a little concerned about the camera performance I think oneplus would probably beat it there yeah but I love that ceramic and titanium build exact line is more progressive I die I'd probably go I personally would probably go pH 1 no and the LCD you know on on the central phone it's not bad I actually think it looks great especially with the thin bezels it just melts in it I like it and we wanted get into the ecosystem a little bit the accessories and the I don't so gimmicky if I was if I were to do that if I were to go into essential I don't see myself getting into that there is no ecosystem besides from the 360 camera I heard that that was pretty clunky third parties are so much fun yeah I don't see anyone picking up wireless USB as a standard when we have real USB and you can just plug stuff into the bottom port but again phone to phone I mean like you're not there is no ecosystem one plus I mean they've got a really nice backpack a really nice on it and that's that's your big accessory add-on for the one plus five real quick before before we jump I do want to screen share something real fast here this is just to kind of show off the the difference we're back loading up whole bunch of stuff here yeah we are so this is uh this is a portrait mode photo or they call it wide aperture mode photo from the huawei mate mate 10 Pro very well defined with the beanie cap on and excellent cutting out around all of that especially with all like the sides and the vents and the door frame and everything else and that it's in pretty dim and dark conditions and I have to pull up this is from the same position this is from the note 8 or is the difference when we talk about a zoom sensor in low-light conditions versus dual matched sized sensors in low-light conditions the reasons why I consider this to be such a significant advantage this is an indoor lit shot this is like one lamp from my kitchen is lighting both swirl well and you can see that this is really pushing the note 8 to its limits in noise reduction because this is blurry and patchy and smeary I mean not that the the May 10 photo is so pristine and clean there's a lot of noise reduction going on there too but it's a much nicer experience when you compare them side-by-side in terms of solutions I do not find a huge benefit from zoom sensor phones you need excellent lighting and an excellent lighting a crop of a photo from the normal sensor is probably going to look almost as good oh absolutely the the pixel 2 and the pixel 2 XL both would have done better in this setup too because it uses that main camera sensor it's got a larger camera sensor with a faster aperture and better image processing it absolutely would have done better in that if you want to see what the 1 plus 5t can do in terms of those respects well we're just going to wait for our review so can't you just plug I might be myself on your podcast I smashed into I smashed my face against Joshua verduras check it out check it out at fried face comm like fried chicken put fried face fart face fried face comm yeah I really I really feel like like you're missing this huge opportunity to be more of like a character II Batman villain you know no it's fried face oh and and before before we finally took off where can people find you around the socials is is the fried face the the Twitter's or do you have your own working people find you can find me in my man cave yeah so it's my youtube channel um to make it simple just go to fried face comm links directly to my youtube channel for Twitter and Instagram it's wow Ryan with - oh so that's W oo w Ryan you oh that's how you spell well okay 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