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there we go cool welcome everybody to the stream if you're coming into the live stream just gonna give it a little bit so that people can jump into our live chat we have a lot of stuff to talk about today so make sure you get your questions in one of the three people that you're going to see on this podcast actually has the device in the title so keep that in mind all right so we're gonna let a few people come in and I will get started the weekly is supported by the Oregon State University eCampus do you want to take the fast-track to your career in computing you can earn your computer science degree 100% online from Oregon State and tap into unlimited career possibilities in any field learn more at eCampus Oregon State edu slash now hello everybody and welcome to the weekly brought to you by pocket now and xda-developers on this day thee I never have it written down 19th of April 2019 we are back in our studios yes we're still using hangouts even though last week I swore it off but you know what I'm still learning how to get this whole live streaming thing going so we were able to make Hangouts work today as you will see with our two guests our fellow hosts first off I do want to introduce you all know him and love him Jaime Rivera how's it going I'm a with a lovely cock so I apologize if I may at the microphone just out of the blue that's me okay okay as I mentioned a little bit right before the podcast started so for anyone watching the YouTube version I did tease a little bit for our live viewers that one of us in this group has the device in question and that would behind me so I mean is very unfolding up there you go that looked that looked like a chore no so I love geralyn's video where she just kept doing this on the microphone no good oh and there we go we went ahead and introduced sure Lynn why don't you go ahead and introduce yourself to our viewers this is your first time on the pocket our weekly by the way very first time on this podcast with you guys that is awesome I can't believe oh thank you guys well we're so happy to have you on sure Lynn is one of the prominent figures over ads and gadget and has had some time with the galaxy yeah I mean that's how I view you I mean all your you you're not only one of my favorite people but also like you and Chris Velasco you're like my like I whenever I come to New York what do we do it's always a dream us even thing that's really only really recently I this is just so off topic but I just want to clear that there that don't you do you fall do you know what golden duck is trilling no okay the salted egg chips and fish skin snack yeah dude dude Ervin's is better I have anyway we will have we will have that mmm there was too much enthusiasm on that Josh get on a plane I want to bring it over but this is the reason I wanted to bring it up surely tonight whenever I come to New York it's either me her and Chris Velasco or the three of us we always eat at this place called mala hotpot which is like dry hotpot right this company that makes these snacks they made a version of it that is mala hotpot flavored oh my god there you go you're bringing it I have to go we have to go to Singapore that's where they're based ok I'm going back home I'm going back home soon I'll break in the it's in the Changi Airport so they have we should all we should all go to Singapore actually by the way fun fact that's where Josh and I met yet of all places we ended up meeting in Singapore strange I'm from Singapore I'm going back soon after Computex are you guys going to Computex I'm doing my best to get there I'm trying so hard yeah saying I don't want to but I have to compute X is one of the ones that it's one of the few ones I actually want to go to so bad though I've never been and I and I really want to go I just I just looked at my travel schedule and it's scary no no you're threatening me in some of those trips Josh so that's there is a there is a crazy amount of stuff happening even just in a couple of days or already going to be on planes this upcoming wait a second winner what are you flying out Josh Monday in the oh my god okay flying on Monday on the afternoon that's the reason why I had to go get my passport renewed and I have to go pick it up right after the show which means LA traffic because I live on the very other side of where the passport control places on the west side of course color yeah it's it's not gonna be a fun day in any case this part will be fun because we're actually going to talk about the Samsung Galaxy fold here on this podcast but before we get to that there was other news this week I get that the Samsung Galaxy fold and the gun I want to call it the galaxy break but now here's the reason why like we're gonna get to in a little bit but of the three people that are here I have had no time with the phone and sound it's not a bad thing it just happens Samsung had a very a very tightening group of people actually get their hands on these devices and in most cases would be able to come away with them I was not part of that group but the other two people here on the cast were either privy to it you know they have it and I'm his case or in your case role and you're just not reviewing it right I have it I had to give it hand it off to Chris Velasco because he's reviewing it for us I did give him a huge warning to be like do not break this phone because it's not a Sony protector it's well yeah do not screw this phone up because like they're really they're really really precious about their to review units this time even more so than usual well I mean it's a very expensive piece of kit right so that's that's that's very that's very uh very understandable that you have to be very careful with them but before we get into that I just want to be sure like not all the time do we get to have like really good feel-good stories and in tech and I feel like we've got one or two this past week one of them might even know about and so we got into the call but apparently apple and qualcomm finally squash their beef wavering there are there are going to be a few other details when it comes to this but the main takeaway here is that a blown Qualcomm have dropped lawsuits that they had pending between one another which opens up a whole lot of speculation and I wanted to get you guys's thought on this qualcomm obviously the the bearer of 5g we hear about it all the time I mean I have been to so many different events by now where we just hear 5 g 5 g 5g obviously apple with their iphone one of the most prolific smartphones in the market today Qualcomm 5g modems making it into iPhones doesn't that mean that 5g finally got a huge push that it was needing I mean yeah so um so where do you guys this takes on this and also Jaime you brought up that there was another feel-good story that yeah Amazon have started to sort of Cohen coalesce I guess is the term I'm looking for yeah yeah but Charlaine please ladies first haha I'll start with Apple versus Qualcomm I think that you know our take on it is that they kind of hats you because Intel was like well we're gonna give up making 5g modems for smartphones so sorry guys and Apple was dependent on Intel and so when that was announced Apple had to like give into Qualcomm's once but did you notice the timing so first it was the press release from Qualcomm and Apple saying we're gonna get along then it's a second press release that says Apple is going to invest I don't know how much money in Qualcomm chips and then 30 seconds later probably a minute there's the Intel announcement that they're exiting the 5g mobile space I didn't realize that was the order I thought it was until first and then Apple and Qualcomm okay so so then that's nice so Apple wasn't actually backed into a corner and then had to give in because that was my take on this story okay I guess that's nice set for Intel sorry guys but you know nice it for 5g like like Josh you're saying it will make it mean a lot more to the much more mainstream audio that's for sure I know and in my case it's it's not that we have a soft spot for Qualcomm or anything it's just ever since the iPhone 7 I've realized just how bad until modems are period like the iPhone 7 for me was the worst iPhone ever from a connectivity standpoint had so many issues and so iPhone 7 happened and then an iPhone 8 there was a disparity of which one had which one didn't and then they made the full move into Intel modems oh my god like the iPhone 10 was trashed when it came to data speeds compared to anything that was Qualcomm and so in the end as a consumer I don't really care where the chip comes from I just have you tell me that that thing has LTE I want it to actually give me LT oh yeah absolutely I also think you know and on the on the topic of Intel versus Qualcomm obviously qualcomm has such a huge foothold in the smartphone market and even even beyond that there's trying to get in with the always connected pcs for example but Intel like every time I think about this dichotomy between a call coming in so I keep thinking Intel shouldn't you be better at this like shit shouldn't you be better making these chips like it's it's it you have I'm using a PC right now that has some of the best like specs inside of it and that's because of Intel why is it so hard for them to like shrink it down and actually like make that like adapt it to a smartphone yeah but think about think about just how behind Intel is right now there's still a 14 nanometer process for their processors whereas right now a TSMC just announced the six nanometer for the chips of 2020 like ARM chips are significantly beyond and obviously you know I do understand that RISC processors are more powerful in yadda-yadda-yadda but it's just how behind Intel is and this is just proof they're modems were inferior their processors are not inferior but they're staggering behind when it comes to efficiency in so many ways and you know I wouldn't be surprised like apparently there are rumors of so many changes coming to iOS focused on iPads I wouldn't be surprised that even Apple would consider just moving certain things from the Mac ecosystem to arm just because of how slow Intel's being which is the same story that happened with power pcs back in the day and Apple moving to Intel now okay I'm good any thoughts on that sure than any hot takes on the Intel I mean I just feel like Qualcomm has to lead a little bit because but by the nature of the devices they're powering they were smaller they were you know they had smaller batteries it was always a PC phone divided from from what I understand and so they had to become smaller they had to innovate they had to you know crack down on power efficiencies and stuff like that whereas in Telus really resting on his laurels and really focusing on delivering more performance over other important things and connectivity was never really one of their priorities it didn't seem like to me so I'm not surprised I agree with what you're saying in terms of evaluation but I'm not surprised that they kind of like got really lazy about like advancing on those fronts I really wish that we could get a phone that how cool it like pick up a phone and say yeah this has a coffee lake or a whiskey lake like back when Intel Atom tripower phones was bounced god I can't even know that's not even go there Josh like you know what told me everything I need to know about Intel back when they were like really trying to get into the smartphone biz was that their main their main partner for smartphones was HP that's right I just looking at that remember I remember way back in the day looking at an HP phone and I just thought this is not going to last this is just not gonna last so there was another story that you brought up after I was talking about Apple and Qualcomm before apparently Google and Amazon I didn't know about this I need someone to kind of fill me in on this whole Google Amazon thing no this was just announced this was just announced this morning the fact early yesterday yesterday afternoon I reported on the daily that now you know the past there was this whole thing where if he had an an Amazon fire stick or anything you could not cast to it or Google services like YouTube would not work on them this this is a restriction that exists that's that's existed for a while I just I don't know I don't know who started it I don't know if it's Google that wasn't allowing Amazon stuff or Amazon not allowing Google but they you know both services wouldn't work like Prime TV or prime video would not work on Google cast so he had this and you wanted to cast it on your TV through chromecast you couldn't so now they decided to start getting along and we you have to wait for a software update it's not immediate but eventually these services will be able to work together now oh okay that's cool yeah this makes me super happy super happy because I love I would love to watch more prime video by can't cast it to my chromecast I have an amazon firetv stick that I refuse to use because it won't cause my chrome tabs so this is great okay good yeah I have a little bit of integration between them like how much do you actually use all of the Amazon stuff though like Prime gets you a lot and I feel like a lot of people sleep on it like music prime video yeah but it's just it's it's just I don't know I I feel that the cool thing is companies are now we're in a convergence right now we're net flix has their own original content Amazon has their own original content so it's no longer a competition of streaming services but it's a Content competition between these companies these companies are becoming pretty much like studios now if not more than that and so you know you know Google can't just be like oh your stuff can't be streamed on on my content you know people will simply choose not to buy their hardware it's not like if it were crazy expensive or like if you're crazy locked in because of the low price point that both these companies have so the better thing was to just get along yeah fair enough I think that's kind of that should be the takeaway for all the companies in tech these day just get along guys what's what's the problem unless you're buying a two thousand dollar galaxy fold and that is exactly what are you getting into I don't have an I don't have a mid role a mid ad for this particular episode but I do want to take a small break between our topics I do have a recurring segment here I mean we know what your answer is to this question but you can always answer differently once I get to you sure Lin you can pick whatever you want to answer this question it's something that I spring on everybody it doesn't even have to necessarily be what I'm about to say but what is in your pocket now pick a daily thing a daily thing that you have okay doesn't really actually have to be in my pocket right now all right it does not okay good cuz nevermind um I don't usually have pockets so let's just say purse what's in my purse one item you said yeah any one thing you want to share that like you use on the daily it could be anything it could even be a notebook I said that early I said that last week and Jaime I was like you okay yeah why not um at the risk of showing anything too private here let's see yeah hey I have my reporters notebook um which I use for I just find it easier something I always have to just lip balm because I have chapped lips I'm trying to think of something like unique um god it's always just like five phones chilling out in my purse which one which one would you why would you like to highlight last week Jaime will highlight at the p30 Pro for makes total sense I would have highlighted the p30 Pro I am going I think highlight that I still can't leave behind my pixel three is weird yeah I say you know I have the Galaxy S 10 in my purse as well but I find myself going to that so much less than I go to the pixel three it's just a it just a stunning photo so I can't help it okay I really wanted to live the pixel 300 yeah that's there's a question try the long launch the camera app it's just it's undeniably slow which it's not supposed to be I mean if it were $200 phone fine you've got the poco phone which you know it's just one of those things where it's like you know the poco phone and oneplus make companies be like eh come on man come on this like that that's that seriously it sets the bar oh and by the way again live chat make sure you get into our Chad get some questions ready for for the fold and for all of that but also I noticed that in the last couple of weeks no one's really been asking about these suppose it like speaking of the pixel the pixel 3 a apparently is supposed to be a thing and the reason we're not talking about on the show yet is because nothing is actually fully confirmed like everything is either a leak or a mistake by Google it's basically confirmed but we don't want to get anyone in so it's actually like a thing like an absolute thing that we can that we can hold but in that case hi Mae I'm gonna ask everyone every single week if there's something that you want to give us what is in your pocket now you're gonna laugh at the disparity of the two products that I'm carrying first one obviously the Galaxy fold because you know yeah it comes with its it comes with a Kevlar case and this thing is slurry AF AF I wish I can even say the whole world with words so use the case snap it on I have no idea how much it'll cost to repair any of these screens because there are a few so I decided to put on the case it just it keeps falling or slipping or whatever like the other day I was recording the daily and there's actually a bluebird where I had to you know the the idea the daily was that I was gonna show it off I haven't broken it yada yada yada in the moment that I record that segment I could just hear a thunk on the floor and it was the hall at least it didn't I'll talk about that later actually when it comes my turn okay that's and then the second thing believe it or not air pods oh okay why don't you tell why don't you tell our viewers and listeners the little hack that you asked me about uh I have been so reluctant to grab air pods because they fall off my ear and so Josh yeah I've seen the silicone you know the wings that you can buy and so I had bought them for ear pods a while ago and then Josh showed me that there was a ver version for air pods and so I reached out to him I'm like alright dude I have to do a video on air pod so I have to go pick him up what's what are the wings that you were using and so he sent me a link but within I found this option where it's you can barely see this you just can't but it's a small little silicon tip and it actually fits in the case and you can close it that way you have like a textured material so it ya hold a little bit better it's and it's what hold on let me look for the box here we go it's a box full of them for eight bucks on Amazon okay that's cool are they different sizes oh yeah no they're the same size only some of them you've got four pairs with wings four pairs for that wings and you choose what you want so if you want to go to the gym you're not gonna put them in the case then you can use the one with wings and go to the gym yeah oh yeah there yeah so different scenarios right awesome air pod still they still strike me as like the most convenient Bluetooth earbuds so so here so here's the thing because because Apple had to like dynamically boost the audio on those things just because of how bad they fit they sound well without the tips but once you put the tips on I have to be lowering the volume on these things fair enough you know because you have a snug fit now they actually sound even better even better yeah true yeah okay cool so in my case I do have a I do have a bit of a story I was I was working with I was working with an honour device I am working on a video for the view 20 and it's nice to visit the view 20 again and I everybody try to try not to forget about this phone because it is still the only phone that not only has the Sony IMX forty eight megapixel sensor but it's also the only one that tries to do some extra stuff with it so that AI ultra clarity mode see there it is Jaime has it that's the most Chino red Moschino most Chino I have no idea it is still a nice device to use and it's beautiful phone it's a yeah it looks beautiful and I didn't even focus on the design in the video which will be coming out hopefully either today or tomorrow but what the reason why I'm delayed on it is because I was at LACMA if anyone out there who knows about la the lacrima lights it's all those lights that are in front of the museum it's very instagram-worthy and like influencers are always there so I was among good company there I was taking pictures with it and there was a bag that was strapped to my chest it it undid itself somehow like it just uh it started falling off my chest and I felt him even though I grabbed the bag as it was falling it it knocked the honor out of my hand and it broke the screen so it's been a long time since I've done a drop test that was not how I wanted to come back so I was really upset not only because I late traffic like makes me rage but yeah that was I was pretty bummed out about that but shouts out to a homie TKB thank you for letting me borrow yours I had to drive all the way out to the homie de to get the phone from him so that was what was in my pocket until it fell out broke in your pocket then because my plug in the floor now the other thing I kind of want to highlight is this is not this doesn't fit in my pocket it has nothing to do with my pocket I just wanted to put putting this out you guys ever tried mber the this is the Ember ceramic self heating mug ooh link link yeah I all send it to you it's not it's not it's not the greatest thing but basically if you have like hot tea as you all know I all the time this keeps it at a temperature that you set on your smartphone so in this case I'll set to 140 so it'll never go below 140 dude send me a link because I'm a prom I like to take my time with my coffee there you go about me too actually I always have to drink tea that ends up going cold so hang on what what do you mean by selfie do you mean it's like battery powered yes there's a battery charging that's right I'm sorry what is that it's all heating that's not like weird type that's just like battery-powered warm yeah okay that's true yeah so feeding is a little bit it's a misnomer well yeah there's like an entire thing here the light obviously shows when the light is solid that means it is at the temperature that you said that and yeah so T right here I've been able to use this I actually smart up my teacup can you believe that am I gonna say that's I got a that's gonna be the punchline whenever I cuz this has been out for a little while but I finally came into one Marie if you're watching this thank you so much for sending it to me I'm still waiting for a link I made the patient I gotta make that up so make that affiliate link give me a give me a give me a little bit I'm gonna delete your like affiliate coat from the end of it and then just go oh that's Savage oh okay so by the way I kind of want to know how to do that because sometimes when I watch youtube videos and oh no no that's too savage I should be support your creators everybody a penny man exactly support them yeah in any case what we're gonna go ahead and get out of that recurring segment and get into the galaxy fold okay so I do I don't know how to sort of tackle this Jaime you're the one who has it in hand but I actually want to hear a rundown of this phone from sure lip so let's start off with that what was your experience with it and I guess my main question for you is now that you don't have it on you anymore I missed some showing it off for sure I think that this is a device that you know break us a mold that the industry has been stuck in for a little bit so that part of it I think is fascinating I I'm trying to start a challenge and maybe you guys on this stream can help me let's do hashtag one hand Galaxy fold so like you use one hand and try to close the thing and open it I may have you can try to try to do it on your own now it's not it's not easy at the start yeah there you go oh look at that you have to hook your thumb right yeah hook your thumb and then bring it over you can however you do it it's not easy when you first get the phone it's rigid the hinge is rigid at the start but then after some time having unfolded and folded the phone it loosens up or becomes a little I guess more pliant and and it gets easier to do the reason I think this is interesting is because like you know four people commute a lot the one-handed like being able to use this phone one-handed is important and you can't in that widescreen really use it with the one hand but then the that 4.6 inch screen on the front when you close the phone to me it's just not great right yeah I really do not like it I don't think it's meant for you to use for a long period of time it's so much smaller than I'm used to nowadays the resolution is low it's kind of like slightly above 720p is like 8:40 by 11 something in the 53 I think and the text becomes so small I was trying to use it to take photos with and I just could not switch lenses because the icons are so small so I had to do the the pinch zoom which is fine you can work around that I just don't like I don't like that and I I think a lot of people that have talked to you who have the phone agree with me that this 4.6 inch screen is one of the biggest drawbacks of the galaxy fold so far the kree's is like okay sure there's a crease we can live with it but that that small screen might be an even bigger problem but I don't know Jaime what do you think hold on a bomb that's trying to join sometime giving instructions I'm because of E is gonna come in I'm worried that I won't hear them so if I can't hear them I don't know why hangout hates me like let me just put that out quick a quick question - sure and while we're all Jaime's working with a over there so I'm trying to remember who was asking me this question if I can't remember and you're watching I'm so it's one of our tech friends - which is the primary screen in your usage like is the iStent is the outside screen your primary and then you open it up sometimes or is it the other way around no it should be the big screen that is the primary but that's that's a whole conundrum right is that there's not really a screen that's meant for you to use all the time and that is the problem to me and I don't know I think I may was trying to answer - so I think I think dieter bone for those of you that haven't watched the the review from the verge I highly recommend that I love Deiters videos and in his review he's like you know I love the idea of having the secondary display because I find myself using my phone less because it's become so cumbersome to you know to interact with that outer display I don't end up in Instagram when I don't have to if I'm commuting if I'm going from point A to point B I just use it for quick responses quick it's he's like this is like my over claw read notification screen that's what he called it and he is go for it so like the palm phone like the palm sidekick lamb exactly it's literally like that and so listen I I hate the outer display but I also have to agree with his assessment because I have found myself doing that I have found myself just quick response it's something practical a quick map to go from point A to point B but then when I'm on the train and I actually have time to use the product I have this like huge display and so that is what makes it really cool to me that's a - to actually can you have tomorrow you have to make the decision because yeah like typing on such a large display is not necessarily easy and so it's it's not necessarily the most convenient device to use because it's literally like trying to thumb type on your tablet and even if you tried it on an iPad Mini it's not easy and then you have the problem then oh so you're gonna feel right at home Josh because the screen since the screen is a 4 by 3 it uses the aspect ratio of like if you're using a blackberry key - and so like if you're on Instagram if you're on it's the ground for example not all Instagram controls work does everyone hear that light shade that was in his way you deserve it though this is gonna be great Michael Fisher yeah no so so the four by three aspect ratio is not necessarily the most ideal for certain things like Instagram even Instagram stories if you watch they haven't Cogan's recent stories they appear cropped up because he's using the fold for them and so they haven't done a lot of story to it they crop in in between different that's right ratios nowadays it's weird it's an Instagram story bug well not a bug but like they have a thought how to fix it not fully because when you take a picture it's always at a certain aspect ratio but then you have to crop it like well yeah like you have to take your original photo then crop it to 9 by 16 or our stories yeah or 9 by 18 once you crop it you're you're you're actually giving Instagram stories this is so beside the point I just want put this out there you put you you put it you give it to Instagram stories and it already has a cropped photo so it doesn't have to crop it more so like that way you also get more that way you also get more detail out of it I don't know one from Sam Scheffer shout out to you Sam anyway um ya know the so I think that if anybody is gonna be coming in I'm gonna be asking him about the gaming experience did you two do any gaming on the phone cuz I'm not really big screen that's when everyone goes to first is media and content and gaming not so absolutely maybe media consumption how did you guys feel about it sherilyn I mean I did not Netflix but I did look at like the end got the website watch out some of our YouTube videos it's nice when you like get in zoom in a little bit on the screen or you know you have that much more room to look at it's great for reading your like ebooks and whatever but it's you know the the thing about the kree's and I think I'm a maybe you agree with me is that it's so easy to ignore it right but then if you're like a perfectionist who is like I paid $2,000 for this thing man why is there at creig's you know then it's like gonna bug you make your like favorite storybooks even oh I hate you hangouts okay so you two are gonna have to like anchor the whole way you can't hear any bond I can't hear anybody now hates me are you not allowed back in it wouldn't know because I'm hosting them no no you can you can die out and drive back in no it would have to be it would have to be in a bond who would have to leave and come back work I don't know I don't think he'll be I don't think it will fix this problem because it's crying bye guys is the prob I but guys once you guys continue talking if come back Wow alright alright so let me let me um see here's the thing my favorite form factor for a tablet of the iPad Mini I have wanted to have an iPad Mini with an Apple pencil for the longest time but I just wish it weren't the Chum that they just launched right now but I really love the iPad Mini and so this is literally almost the size of an iPad Mini it's nearly there this is 7.3 the iPad Mini is 7.9 surely you've got weird bezel you've got this like weird I'm trying any buddy understand what else is in there for that huge knotch to be there they did say and I forget now but they did say something like proximity sensors and that sort of stuff our own unfolded for a call so there is no speaker here by the way so you have to close if you get a phone call you have to close it to take the call oh man ok you have to close it to take the call there's no other way there's just so much that's up with this thing that is imperfect it's a first gen product oh hey you're back can you give me a sec I cannot but I'm gonna do a couple of things stay stick around keep talking though okay I will say though that I am actually more excited for the huawei mate X because I know that if false outwards and people are like that's gonna be destroyed in a second but I still feel like they make that primary screen on the outside work more like that method just works better okay the thing about it is the you you held the main extra land you know that if you close that that thing is a little thicker than the galaxy note 9 yes it's very thin actually it's very thin and if you extend that it's like a kindle oasis so for me from a design standpoint I feel that Huawei did it better yeah you know it's not the most durable solution now but then you know right now you've got to protect the screen that's breaking on certain people so I don't know what's worse may I try made first for a second there I forget your common things I want to state first of all why the fuck does the verge have a review today I don't think I mean there's a lot of things in this industry that pissed me off this week I get it the fold has some issues but I also get it some people peel things off where there was miscommunication from Samsung or not either way that can be solved that's solvable some some people had defected displays okay how many 200 units distributed yeah so two defective okay that's not bad but the verge dropped of you review today and I felt very I felt very offended I'm not media I'm not more press I'm an influencer I'll put it that way but I felt was very disingenuous because you had a bald you had replacement device and you spent two days and give me a review I don't know how much time necessarily that they've had with the fold I will say that overriding gadget we also just decided we would take our time to spend more time with it and our review is not going to be up until you know we are not going to give a definitive statement on whether you should buy this phone until we spend more time with it and it is thanks right thank you all right sorry sorry to be a debbie downer coming in I apologize people but I just wanted people to know that with most of the vices I mean I check out all your reviews I check yours out sure yes even you Sharon Lee I do check your stuff out as well and I check your stuff out Jaime of course you know that but it's it's the most bad time with the devices you can you can hear the nuances you know Jaime and I were having drinks and Jaime it's like did you know if you did this on the device it does this I was like oh I didn't know that that's what happens when you spend time right the little things whether it's things that I know you're fake so that aspect of device of the review process I just felt very offended because I'm getting feedback from people going over the verge said this on my videos and I'm going well I'm sorry and I'm gonna calling out the idiots for dropping the review they don't pay me and I don't anybody there so I really don't care by the color minutes be reviewers I apologize for some reason Josh is trying to fix whatever issues yes and somehow the cameras stuck between cherylin and I and Anna bong is not visible no hangouts is actually doing you a favor you don't have to put up with his face more directly but yeah for some reason that's really bad you know yeah I'm not gonna comment over I I'm gonna say this guys don't have to you guys have outlets I'm an influencer I don't know I know care two shits my job to make noise it's like certain points the dealer made in his review the first one is just the design paradigm how it changes over he's like you know the screen on the outside is completely unusable but it's helped me stop using my phone and be lured into social media like Instagram or stuff because it's so difficult to use this outer screen than I end up just interacting with it for the basics and that's a good point that is a really good point and you know the I guess the point that I want to make is and you're gonna follow follow me on that one II after our conversation is I've I don't I didn't think I would love to use this thing so much I did not I knew I knew this was a device for me I'm a I'm a sci-fi geek I've been waiting for foldables longer than most people even knew what smartphones were so for me this having way for this for the longest time the fact that I can do that one of the things that I enjoyed with this device so I went we went to the briefing we had on Wednesday hi may you and I we can't talk about it but as soon as I walked in there somebody so much me swinging the galaxy fold and the way we stopped the fold I'm like yeah oh yeah everybody went everywhere I go and they see the fold everybody knows so I walked into the Apple store the other day to pick up these air pods I had the whole Genius Bar like making a line like oh can I hold it oh can I see it like it is cool you cannot deny that it is cool yeah exactly no it is and it does have its its first-gen quirks and it's the first trim device note no one is saying that you should go run out and buy if you want to buy sure I think that's way it is I think it's a device that for what first gens used to be this is more polished than what I'm used to because we all know how the very first surface was even the very first iPhone it was the same way or for Samsung the first Galaxy Note if you remember that one that was rough around the edges you know so I think I think they have something here that yet they definitely need to do a lot of polishing on and you know if you're an adopter you're one of those people who likes to jump in and experience I think you will see what the experience is like you can go to the stores and try it out see how it is and see how that actually works for you I think one of the things that I got from a lot of people is because of all I happened this week was people were like oh that's a Samsung device this is a display fragile I'm like no it's not here hold it yeah that would and that's what that's why I come come nuff annoyed because we had the storm from influences and I'm sorry people who didn't touch the device we never used it whoo and I'm gonna put it out there and people hate me who were jealous didn't have it and wanted to be haters and yeah look it's just what happened I'm like okay look once you try it out you can see it yeah if it has device issues yes let's let's work through that that's all Samsung you failed how many times but we know that it's only two failures out of 100 and the other five were people peeling stuff off that Samsung didn't inform them properly to be nice so I'm gonna ask you guys a question David Cogan made an awesome point in his recent video over the battery test he's like this product costs $60 right now financed $60 you know if you see it as a monthly thing it doesn't make two thousand dollars look that bad so if you know it's $60 you've already like sherrilyn and you already had the opportunity to play with it would you go into an installment plan and face 60 bucks a month for that thing no no I think that yes it makes you you know shut off more from from being on Instagram too much because of the primary display and when you do want to you open it up I'd still think that this is an I like to in a bonus point this is a first gen device I'm not gonna go in on the first gen I'm gonna go in maybe on the third Genet to keep making these because then it would be much better but for now I still think that it's so limit and again this is this is me talking from my hands-on experience and one day with the phone right like we are we I think the review might have a different more clear stand I just think that it's not as useful and functional as my smartphone right now that has just the one screen I can do enough on it I don't want to spend more money than I need to on this sort of a device but hey maybe there's people who really really want to I just don't see the average consumer and maybe the average consumer not the person that's watching this dream right now right it's like my mom or my dad or my cousin that's sort of a person they're not gonna spend $60 a month on this come on they're gonna get maybe a blackberry you know yeah I want to chime in real quick from the from the from the producer side I still can't hear and among which is why I'm being silent over here I don't want to like mess up the flow here you guys are doing a great job talking through this and after all I'm the only one who hasn't even held a fold so it's cool okay um I do have a couple of thoughts though $60 a month between the gamers me and an among that is a game a month we're not going to waste our money on something like that when we are gamers and we're gonna pay a game a month but I will say this I almost tweeted this this morning the moment I woke up because I started seeing a lot of people on Twitter saying like they're frustrated with tech reviewers and tech pundits and tech people in general who are saying stuff like why would you buy this particular device oh there you go why would you buy this particular device it's first gen it's not worth the 2,000 blah blah blah and people are asking me like how I felt about it especially since I haven't held it yet let me tell you this I'm not going to pay a $2,000 for the Galaxy fold not because of what it is not because it's a form factor or not because it's a first gen I'm not gonna pay $2,000 because I'm poor okay that is let me tell you right now it's not that I'm skeptical about the form factor if anything I'm the guy who loves the new stuff like tech is amazing okay that's the reason I we're all in this industry so take the cynicism away from all of this and just remember that you know I wish that I got a review unit even then the review and it probably is not gonna be mine forever because this is an expensive piece for Samsung to give to a lot of people but at the same time like 2,000 bucks you're asking me I just paid I when they when the pre-order was happening I was doing my taxes what did you expect me to say I think I don't have the money for that I just don't and I prefer self-preservation alright so this right now wait a second so we've got a TK right now TK thank you for joining the the light of chat buddy he's like people pay forty four dollars for an s10 plus a month see and you know Kogut and I had this argument when the iPhone 10 came out over its price but then if you think about it it was just six dollars more a month when compared to the iPhone 8 if you looked at the installment plans and so right now if you're told that it's it's literally what if you're paying 44 what is it 44 bucks come on 16 dollars more and you get a fold but the sm+ feels like to me a much better phone than the phone it's a more mature product definitely know that yes I mean I mean it is a better product I think I think the problem with this calculation is this I think the biggest problem we face with the fold is I'm sorry to say there were too many salty people at the beginning with the price thinking that this is justification no one says you should buy it that's the first thing but the thing is that we need this device I'm sorry the future is foldable the reason why is that I don't want to carry a tablet and on the Android side all the tablets are shitty they downright terrible we know that so there is no tablet I'm not an iOS user so there's no tablet option for me this is the closest thing I have number two it is more productive when I'm taking those flights to the west coast I can do more work I can much work more video I can gain more I've been gaming more not because I like mobile gaming just because I do have the real estate and I'm like man like I can actually see everything there in table G you know like that's why I like it not saying that I still will buy it it's a lot of money but I just want people to know that if you're gonna buy it let's hope it does well so that Gen 2 comes and Gen 2 is 1,500 instead of us having that $1500 Galaxy S 10 which isn't worth it in my mind and then and then we get this as the Galaxy Note pro where you get a regular Galaxy Note and then the Galaxy Note pro opens up with a pen I'm all happy for it at like $1500 it's cool if they need the pen but um and I also say that I think any bond you're being a little prophetic here I think that indeed Samsung's plan must be to market this as a no Pro at some point because oh that would that would be like for me that's what it's missing it's missing it exactly this is missing an S Pen I honestly feel like having the s-pen would make it so much better but I I want to kind of double back really quick on what you just sort of started talking about there Jaime you said you saw Cogan do a battery test I haven't I don't know the details of our battery test yet but what were the results because I was very skeptical 42 he ended at 1:00 a.m. with like 14 percent battery life which has been my case I don't understand what is special about fold that the s10 plus does not have but my battery life on the SN plus is not as good as on the fold it's got a large display that's it well it's it is a thinner display it's a thinner display it's more passive it's not as bright doesn't push as much as the s10 plus display and the other display outside is 720p so mmm you know you're not going to be draining as much on there now I'm reading I'm reading the live chat Lauren who who is it that I can't stand and I bar nobody can stand this guy it's true no all right guys if I could chime in real quick again I'm pleased I'm basically produced the producer and mediator right now because you're right okay so on our live on our actual YouTube feed you can see in abang but it doesn't focus on him so that's so now when e is talking and I see him talking but I can't hear him I'm clicking on his face that way you can see oh yeah so I'm actually I'm playing this weird game of telephone right now while being mediator on the digital side so I actually want to just point one more topic your guys's way so you guys can finish this off for our last 10 to 15 minutes obviously we have competitors obviously there are a lot of people in the live chat I have been reading your live chat a lot of people talking about the made X but also talking about the way that Xiaomi is making their foldable so I'm wanting to get some some some some hot takes from everybody regarding the competition the Galaxy fold is the first one to market how do we feel about the the other devices when they're going to come out the way that they handle the fault the way that they handle this new form factor sherlyn you held the minute X right I looked at it up close I didn't get it hold it yet because they started let me people touch after I left which was like really annoying I know what about you touch it I did not know I'm the only guy that touched it but I mean even having only seen that thing and from you know like that that amount of time I spent in that closed room with a huawei guy it already seems like so much better of a phone you know I mean like it's even though they sell me one which I'm looking at now it's it also sort of folds outward so I don't know that folding in words is going to edge out the competition over time see I disagree I think folding in words is because I unless I don't think I don't know how you protect that bottom display without in shattering within seconds I really don't yeah which takes out the usability phone fact like with this even this idea of the external you know like case room it's so easy to open up I think the biggest issue is just the front display so annoyingly small yeah but but the the way the idea is this there's this case that makes it more phone and the cases as thin as this Kevlar protector and because that main X is thinner than the Galaxy fold you really like it's literally like putting a regular phone in your pocket and so you use it as a standard Huawei phone for everything and then whenever you're on the subway and you want a full display you pull it out of the case and you open it so it's just like a sliding case pretty much it is it is like a holster case pretty easy yeah I find that to be genius so the idea is not for you to unfold it you don't need to because the outer screen is completely usable it is literally the same it's a six point one inch display and it's a full-blown 18 by 9 aspect ratio the only thing you don't have is a selfie camera because that's on the back because you you flip it around but then in the back you will be able para leaders this like little window on the case and you can see yourself you can still take a okay so you can see that yeah okay you know and so I if you asked me I don't I don't think that there I don't think like for example you were complaining about the Verge's review I could complain about the fact that they rated the review because how are you gonna compare this to anything and I just I don't feel that it's adequate to rate this against anything I don't think it's adequate to rate them mate X against anything because we're in the experimentation field that made us the geeks that you know created our channels or that work in this industry and things had gone really crazy boring for the past couple years and then we get this and I can't people for being bold and giving it a try I can't bash this it's it's I'm sorry but this is what makes the future is it the present not necessarily but this is the future so you know the thing that the fold reminds me of a device I wanted so much from Microsoft they never delivered oh but you're the courier here yeah the courier is and to me my suggestion to Samsung is even if you switch designs because rumor is they have multiple designs out there and they're pitching some of that so we may see different designs come up in the future but if they keep the full design you know what even just running with Windows not try gonna call it a day man like I would know no I'm serious I am serious because you still have your 850 processor can go in there or even the AC X can go in there and if you're going to do anything funky on Windows then all like you're just a general messaging apps in the front here like just notifications and things like that and then you're always gonna open it and have a full-fledged computer done I'm gonna say that I don't think we're that far away from affordable laptops and I think that you're onto something and a bong and I'd like to point out that in in the PC space there has been a lot more innovation right like if you look at the Lenovo yoga book it's sort of like a double screen device right Asus project Precog is supposed to come out soon which is again a dual screen laptop but there's a lot of innovation there but when we talk about competitions for the Samsung Galaxy phone to your point Josh that you were trying to steer us towards there's the sell me one there's the Huawei one TCL let's not forget let's not forget TCL says it's working on a bunch of different ones that is patented the designs friend they look interesting it's alright motorola dragon hinge is amazing motorola has said it's it's going to be doing something too so we have a lot to look forward to in terms of scoring a review this early in the game definitely seems seems a little premature to me but that's not to say we won't be doing it or just be careful and take a long time before we put up a score you know what I find funny I think it would be hilarious if because this is the only foldable out right now just an automatic 10 like what are we compared to I would just be like 75 that's kind of an easy base to start building around but but yeah I just want to say like it's it's has its flaws the Galaxy fold or it's like all we're saying is that it's exciting and it's a portent of great things to come right yeah yeah and I feel like for example you try to remind me what were you asking Josh about the I just wanted a couple of I wanted to see how you felt about the competition you didn't you did definitely like touch upon the maytag's yeah I I think the main X is this I feel it that it's a more useful design I feel but then again there are the durability like if they tell me that the made X is gonna cost cost twenty three hundred bucks but then they give me an unlimited warranty for a certain period of time where it's like if I break the screen they'll just give me a new one and it's part of the price you're I'm down mmm I'm totally down and I I feel that companies like Samsung should consider I you know I have to admit I love services like Apple Care Plus I am willing to pay extra for them because I love just walking into an Apple store this thing broke or I spilled coffee on my keyboard have it give me another one goodbye and when you have a product that that's this experimental and you know because you know my background is engineering moving parts there are so many moving parts in this product the opportunities for failure on this product are significant and so you know I you know it's funny that is actually a phrase that Jaime gave me for life that is actually advice he gave me the more parts the more moving parts you have in your life the more opportunity there is for failure and there you go he's holding a device that actually fits in with his life philosophy know and so we see it as we see it in laptops how did the modern laptop came to be they decided to just come up with the unibody and that and everything connects to it so there's less moving parts less screws that's everything right now this is in the experimental phase I wish they didn't price it so high I again if I'm not gonna justify the price I'm just figure out some snacks I'm sorry I disagree let's stop being foolish the problem here is this we price regular cellphones way too high that's it it's a brand new piece of tech what the hell do you want let's just be honest some of the facts going on no now why don't we do it outside okay skip skip you when this be honest what and cell phone shouldn't cost a thousand bucks the iPhone the Galaxy S 10 the note may be a little bit more expensive short because you have an S Pen and the it's because of what you get true yeah but what college be just a whack pad is crazy expensive yeah exactly so when you have something that's foldable and there's nothing even else to compare it literally you can price it any way you want but as we've seen with some of the tear downs this thing is compact there's a lot of stuff in there there's many things that make it expensive yes it will get cheaper over time so the argument of price that people say mm expensive I'm going like what were you expecting and you turn it all foldable phone you must be daft I'm sorry I know I'm sounding very aggressive in this you have been yes but that's what you're like a woman a bond the problem in the bond isn't that I wish I heard that the problem in a bond is not white so why do I feel that there's a problem with the price and I you have a good point that phones are being overpriced right now iPhones at the price of a full-blown computer it's just the question is how much you pay for what you get why why is this priced at the same price of a premium either gaming or powerful computer see what you do this none of them no no no no no for that a loan forget it for that alone none of them can do this nobody else when the wire comes no no they don't yeah but it's not the same it doesn't matter where you have to or not it's what you're offering and they are offering this right okay so right now we're still in a debate of whether this product is useful or not I I feel I find that the foreign factor is growing on me but this is like the stage where I move from blackberry keyboard to an iPhone it took me two weeks to get used to that iPhone keyboard because I was so used to the multilingual no need for multilingual on my hardware keyboard and it took years for companies to figure out multilingual on software keyboards and so for me it was a nightmare to make the shift so right now this product is growing on me but it's you know there are still things where I'm like crap let me just crap I didn't bring another phone this is all I'm carrying so I have to make it work and so I'm going through that stage right now so the question is how is a foldable better it gives you a more augmented experience but right now that external screen is the crutch that's like standing in between this and being an ideal product and the fact that it's like tufa own stack together so it doesn't fit in your pocket it does fit yeah I'm just saying though like the ability for me to go in there I can jump into the jet it's just that it's the simplicity of functionality and I can still close it up and jump in and watch it in the very front screen whenever that's the same yeah whenever they give me an S Pen on this thing I have no arguments against it like right there no I'm not disagree with you I think this is my problem is that we are jumping already a lot of techies are jumping because they'd like it but they're like oh why isn't it this I'm like yeah they could have given you I remember I talked to somebody at Google once and they said we can give you Google glass that looks like your spectacles are you ready to pay for it simple and that's the thing is that we're jumping when the the market isn't there it's not like everyone can afford it remember you work in your you have an engineering background you have that background of you know of pricing it comes down it takes people to buy to come down and you have to introduce at a point so we keep forgetting that fact because we are eager to see it be our Star Trek even Star Trek or have stuff like that but you know sci-fi show it opens and it just works it takes a while look at the surface how long did it take you took the third one for everyone to say oh this is what Microsoft was trying to do and then at surface pro 4 5 6 you're like ok alright fine every company is using that form factor and that ended up being a success that's it I mean this is something that um it was terrible you're right this is something that Juan says all the time it takes three years for a product to actually get to realization in market then another threefold but you become standard iPhone this example best-selling iPhone success so people tend to forget about these things because we because the cell phone market is the most mature technology market there is right now so you expect the next thing that shows up should be Oh magic Aladdin it's here well it's the technology just wasn't there so I think we just need to be patient and wait for for competition which we always bring in Johnny is bringing razor the good thing is that we're gonna see at least four foldables this year and by that time for Samsung themselves they'll go oh ok ok we need to do something better you know and we also need to drop price or these give different ranges guess what product is shipping to me by the way right now is it NDA or no it's well they didn't say it's NDA so I'm just gonna say the new Bo hey I love the experimentation man I you know I my email has an nd8 day and time at the bottom but go for it [Laughter] before we get too far with that I'm gonna go ahead and call it on this ass [Laughter] all right I actually you know I've been watching the YouTube feed and despite the technical difficulties that I've been having not being able to hear thunder over there this has been one of the most high-quality episodes that we've had in terms of just like video they raid and like audio and all that and so it's awesome I'm more than happy to take a back seat this is what I'm supposed to do as a host and figure out a way to make this look as good as possible so I hope everybody has been enjoying the show I do want to make sure that everyone has a chance to kind of plug anything that they're doing right now also it's a plug their social media and whatnot so in order to make it a little bit easier on me I'm gonna start with and along says I can't hear him and then sure Lynne and then Jaime and then after that I will notice it are often too cool my name is fun de and a bong from bored at work you can find me a bored at work on Facebook YouTube Twitter Instagram and also we have a website called bored at work and I will be doing more content on this bad boy over the weekend there's no review my reviews usually thirty days I will give my thoughts after week so you guys can least get an update on that so stay tuned and thank you for having me again this week and that kind of just jumped in but thanks mm-hmm alright um I am sure Lindo reviews editor at Engadget you can follow me on twitter at sure Lin lo my Instagram is on there in my bio and just an easter egg because it's a special request go pigeons yeah our review will be up sooner than you know all right sorry about that I was coughing on Twitter hey leave it on Instagram I'm gonna take my time default because the more I use it the more I like it and I feel that it deserves a shot I feel that companies like Samsung companies like Huawei have won my admiration over the last two three years given the amount of effort they've put in the amount of R&D that they're bringing in so I'm gonna take my time and I have nothing bad to say about this product right now even if there are some quirks or it's just it's not necessarily that there's something wrong with it it's just my paradigm is shifting towards it and that takes time that's just the way it is all right cool I have no idea when my perspectives on the fold will be coming out hopefully I'll be able to meet up with any one of the people who might get one maybe next week won't mean this oh yeah but true but you know aside from actually like reviews and whatnot I can probably give some perspective so as far as a review is concerned I don't know let me let me let me work on my student loans for a bit and then I can get the phone but then from there you know where to find me I am J VTech t on Twitter and Instagram you know me I am JV I love Tekken I love to drink me some tea sometimes out of a tech mug like the Umbra mug like I was talking about earlier in any case why don't we go ahead and get into our outro here one thing I do want to say just for the background don't stop your recordings yet everyone who's inside of this chat right now we're gonna try to finish the recordings at the exact same time I'll do a countdown after this call is over that way I can lined it up because thunder you came in a little bit later on in any case pocket now is that pocket now on twitter facebook instagram and youtube in english in espanol where you can find more news on 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