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all right we don't really have like a super specific intro for today I will say hello and welcome to episode 330 of the weekly brought to you by pocket our next day's developers recorded on Friday the 2nd of November 2018 and I am elated to say November no longer have to say October can I ask you guys real quick before we get into the rest of that intro what was it called ok I get that it was tech Tober but I feel like I was much more correct and calling it phone pocalypse apocalypse indeed I am I'm really happy that the month is over there's still a lot to do and there's a lot for us to talk about on this podcast but welcome back to everybody I hope we're all okay and recovering as you can see there are some residual problems with tech Tober as you can see my webcam looks a little bit different today we've had audio problems Brandon won't you give us a quick example of the problem sort slow apparently my microphones making me have a beep deep voice which is great I finally sound like I've gone through puberty if the beard wasn't an indication indeed yes this is gonna be the best okay so that's for Jules's words in this intro from the cluster fudge that is the red hydrogen one to the distant memory sort of of the one +60 event and a lot of Apple in between we're here to cover it all because we wish you were here with us we wish you were there with us throughout all of the things that we were able to do traveling all over the place just getting back from New York Jaime of course is still in New York but yes travel coming up as do I it's been a crazy month I'm your host Joshua Vergara what's going on everybody and the crew is back together let's start with let's start with Brandon minimun how are you I wish I could hear how it sounds is it like super deep or just like kind of like you sound like what was the name of the the spy deep throat was it my mic goes out as my webcam goes out deep what no let's not let's continue on why isn't it microphones having some issues but you know welcome back to the cast we saw you in New York which is awesome if I'm hanging you out don't get to see you guys too much in person yeah I made a Venice finally settled back in his New York studios for a hot second that's true so how's it going on your end packing sadly packing that's my life right now yeah a lot of travel coming up I'm actually going to be out also in the next couple of days so you may or may not see me on next week's podcast but that's for next week we do have one more person who's meant to be on the podcast Taylor Morin is going to be here a little bit later bowl why don't we just go ahead and jump into all of our stories okay the most recent thing that happened actually no technically not because because of what Apple did oneplus had to move up their date like a day so we all had to go there early but we finally got our hands on and of course I'm the one who I'm the idiot that leaves it in this car we have the oneplus 60 now and of course Jaime has is there you go nice so we have the one plus 60 newly announced a lot of great stuff to talk about with this device and if I can make the quick thought that the oneplus 60 with all of its flagship specifications all of the news that was supposed to come out from this particular new phone from oneplus it didn't seem like a very exciting phone until the event am I wrong that always happens right they they dramatize the features and talk about how many years they spent working on things and you know but yeah exactly but it was more like the story they were telling on stage that got me like I was becoming more in and by the time the by the time the event was was done I was all-in and I'm actually really excited for this phone not just be not necessarily because it's providing anything completely different than anything anyone else but it's just because the way that they told the story I made it clear oneplus is here they're finally here it took six-and-a-half iterations or whatever you want to call it but they're finally here so before we get into some of the specifications Jaime some quick thoughts on the oneplus 60 as you're holding it I wish it came out in red I think this is the only thing that that I feel it's missing it's definitely a thicker phone it's definitely heavier phone you've got a larger battery it is probably the most iterative update that I've well no I mean if you saw the three and the three t it was the same thing but I didn't use the three so the three t for me was new but then there were more differences I feel between the five and the five T then there are between the six and the 60 and so it's not that I'm underwhelmed I just I wish that it came out in red on day one and they gave me the red berry and did I'd be a happy guy there were some rumors that a purple addition was going to come out do you do you would you would you rock a purple one yeah I would totally Rock any color that's not this matte black or the never black like these are like the colors that I least like I like the matte black it's don't get me wrong it's just uh I feel I don't know they were the ones they're the ones that I should blame for making me like red phones so pleased I would like another one thank you I'm really upset with myself because I have my unit and it has the matted red case on it you saw that I was using it in New York like that yeah yeah that was immediate accessory that we put on but yeah I I'm gonna I'm gonna get to a question to all of you guys so should you hi me after what you just said but let's give a quick welcome to Taylor who's just coming in he's still he's still getting set of it looks like I've not quite figured out this whole using my camera for webcam so it was blocking my monitor was directly in front of look it looks really good your backgrounds nice and blurred and by the way if I sound deep that's because I've made the transition to a man finally finally okay so back to the 1 plus 60 I don't know if I could truly call this a simply iterative update though because you know we've we actually have physical very tangible changes that go from 6 to 60 and obviously we're talking about the lack of a headphone jack they finally did they moved away from it even though for years they were saying they're not going to put it away yet there's now the in display fingerprint sensor which I think everyone I want everyone to chime off on that and also there are just the obviously the fact that it's on t-mobile we'll get to that in a little bit but that in-display fingerprint sensor has anyone ever viewed this as a not really I don't want to say game-changer because it's still a fingerprint reader at the end of the day but is it that much of an innovation forward that warrants the 60 leaping forward well it's the first phone in the United States to include an on display in scanners so that is a big deal the second thing is it's just interesting that you notice when you set it up that it took a little bit in issue like it didn't really get it right at the beginning and like for the first couple of tries it was just giving you issues and then by like the after the tenth time you unlocked your phone it just works now have you noticed that it truly does learn from you for the first a fingerprint for the second fingerprint though that I'd registered on it it's still having issues it's still learning but that's because you're most likely using one more than the other yeah I think that's true too that's why yeah for sure okay so in display the fingerprint sensor I remember when this whole trend was starting to come about people were really excited because you could touch any part of the screen for it but of course that's not the case now it's a very specific area that shines a light on your fingerprint that's the full realization of this technology is that in the not-too-distant future you'll be able to just put your finger anywhere on the screen and boom I'm not Jones in the podcast everyone oh now is a lightsaber yeah the whole it's higher for Darth Vader and we're on you guys are bullying me and being very mature I just want to point that out and you can thank you thank you that's exactly who I am I appreciate that you acknowledge it finally oh my god so so uh Jones is of course playing the unboxing right now over on his side of things he's in the booth of course Taylor did you take a look at any of the coverage of the oneplus 60 that that we all did and any thoughts on this phone this is this is kind of a hot one despite not being the most unique phone yeah well one I was recently called out for saying something along the lines of the most unique apparently it's either unique or it's not it can't be more or less unique anyway stolen that out there because I was called out on it recently but I think this phone is probably one of the most intriguing to me because as someone who's not been in the game for so long this is a phone that you know it's something as a general consumer I would buy it just because the price so the value I guess is the better way to put it the value of this phone and that's really their play that obviously that's what they've been going for for like I guess since I came around originally but yeah I think that alone is enough to make me interested in this foam regardless of any of the specifications or anything else yeah well going down the specs just real quick snapdragon 845 you can get 6 or 8 gigabytes of ram 128 or 256 gigabytes of on-board storage the display is a 1080p display it's an AMOLED display with that little teardrop notch at the top which is the selfie camera but also what it uses for these super fast face on vlog I have to admit one thing I like about the way the fingerprint sensor is implemented on here is if it fails more than once it turns on the screen and looks for your face and the face unlock is always fast like it always no unless I'm mourning my shades it knows that it's me so I'm happy about that oxygen OS obviously I want to get a few thoughts on I want to get a few thoughts on oxygen no ass as we move forward so first of all oxygen OS the version of Android that I feel like more so in the past week I've been hearing from people is the their favorite version of Android do we agree or do we disagree oh yeah it's totally my favorite I just wish they would adopt like the pixel font instead of their own proprietary but I love it hmm I have actually never used it I won't you will very soon tailor you just give me a couple of days to finish filming a couple of things and you will have a unit as well but bear in mind like there are differences there so the t-mobile unit is actually not the same unit as the International in a couple of things first of all it's single sim second it's locked to t-mobile which I wasn't expecting and it does have a few t-mobile applications that I also wasn't expecting to come ok which ones were that well what sorry would show what chaps were those from t-mobile you know the typical so you get to the typical mighty mobile app and then the other one is to be able to unlock your phone which didn't work I wasn't able to unlock my phone are you supposed to pay to unlock it off of t-mobile if you would answer that is a good question I don't know man but it just it told me the phone is not eligible and period that's it according to joules you have to pay off the you have to have 40 days of consecutive use first and then after that pay off the balance of the device which of course is a t-mobile that's the one that's I think seven five seventy nine I think is the is the price of that one because they have the eight gigabyte and 128 gigabyte storage mirror-black Edition yeah yeah and that's another thing that's actually an exclusive like if you can get the six gig a 68 128 from one plus but if you want that mirror-black eight gig 128 it can only be gotten on that on t-mobile right now a couple of quick takes on some more device stuff before we get into the t-mobile portion of the story which I personally really enjoyed and for one particular reason Jaime and I went to the pop up in the t-mobile store so we'll talk about that a bit that was crazy go for it yeah alright so first of all the the display this is gonna be a very typical question to ask for a phone like this 1080p is it's still not enough or is it just enough still i I don't know about you guys I 1080p is more than enough I find it that way what are you about what about you Brandon I have always been a pixel peeper and like it's fine for me I mean the DPI is over like 400 and over like you know if it's over like 350 or even 300 in a lot of cases you really can't notice any pixelation or display quality issues so it's perfectly fine for me yeah it's never too much never to the barrage oh no that's not very why does it never mind anyway Taylor um 1080p yay or nay on you it's way more than enough it really truly is and and that's actually the reason that I only make videos in 1080p is because 4k is really only valid if you were looking at it on a large screen and relatively close to it on that like a computer monitor sure a TV sure but a phone it's so far beyond what you can actually discern that it doesn't matter I mean I was talking about this stuff back in 2012 hey like when qHD was first coming around it's like okay this is getting to be a little excessive excessive only because you can't really see it and if you can the mount like it is well past the point of diminishing returns yeah I think was I think it was Jonathan Morrison he did that compare some of the sexually right here the 10r beside I think it was the poco phone uh okay and he was saying this one's a 720p screen or maybe that the polkas 1080p and this one is 750 P yeah yeah so I mean it doesn't matter like you put them side by side it's more about for me the color accuracy and that's rather enjoy my being oneplus said it on stage themselves it's not about the numbers it's about the user experience which is why we talk about the oxygen OS which is why we talk about these displays I want to remember everything that you guys just said though as we get into our MacBook discussion a little bit later anyway but let me talk about that this way but there are a couple of changes that are not necessarily good one of the things that I loved about the 1 plus 6 is that if you went into full screen mode for video it would not reveal the knotch like it would automatically hide the knotch the moment you zoomed in to full screen video so you wouldn't be able to see it whereas in the case of the 60 the NOx is visible it does go there pretty much like in the iPhone 10s which pisses me off I'm like it steams yes but it doesn't really matter it was like this is something that shouldn't have been changed like I 1 plus was the first company to do it right with the 1 plus 6 why break it with the 60 is it really good is it really that big of a deal Jaime I mean like 27 men 27 pixels are seriously can you imagine can you imagine going to a movie theater and having the person on one corner stand up and put their head and part of the monitor and cover it up it's not that it's gonna be a big of a deal most likely everything that you care about the movie is gonna be aside from the guy's head but it regardless it's a it's annoying does it does it offer the option to zoom out you can't no no this is only when you zoom into full screen video and I'm the problem in any way late but the problem is the problem is and by the way commenters and listeners this is the reason why we haven't made the move to 18 by 9 you don't need a you don't need a pillar box it's not pillar boxing what's the other you don't need letter boxing on your TV and notches are good there's no way for you to avoid the knotch disruption on 18 by 9 video if you have a phone that that you know doesn't cover it up and so like if you're using a pixel three excel you oh it's bad if you're using a pixel three excel so that's the reason why we stick to sixteen by nine video for a bit yeah so I wonder if you we will have to test this for our for our full reviews as they come if you go into the settings and you hide the notch if that kind of fixes that but it's not an automatic thing like it wasn't a one plus six it's yeah that's a good question I haven't tried it I will but then again you know the notch is not intrusive it's not doesn't bother me for everything else like for daily operations it doesn't really cause me anything to be annoyed about I just I don't like that one thing that was so well done on the six is screwed on the sixty if you disable the knotch either through developer options or through you know the regular settings in display i think it's unethical to disable pixels I do like what do you why would you turn off pixels and reduce your screen size you know it would be with the exception of the pixel 3xl everyone.i one final thought on the oneplus sixty camera have you used the camera quite extensively we're gonna talk about this real quick talk about t-mobile and then head out because Brandon it has to have my head out Brandon has a head so I was I actually just came back from running some comparison test between the 10s and the 60 I you know the photography on the six was good these are the same cameras they call for an enhanced HDR I do notice it on the screen but I do want to pull the photos out and see them on the computer because I'm giving a verdict because visually because this for some reason I just find them to be brighter and more saturated on the on the 60 than on the 10s I would rather pull them into a computer and see if that's really the case okay fair enough um yeah I've been able to go through it a little bit the port remote seems to be working fairly well on the rear on the front they have the face retouching and if you look at my Instagram I did do one photo where it was me and then another photo that wasn't me because my freckles are gone to like a defining feature of my face so so the face we're touching Taylor you you you touched upon this earlier that the price is a big part about this and the base level model of this phone comes in at 5:49 which is a great price but even then 579 on t-mobile and if you do the payment plan it's only $12 a month for everything that this phone is doing is this is this the do we have the return of the never settle mentality like they never use the term flagship killer anymore no one ever does so that's fine but is the Neville never set old mentality back now that this phone is and over 5,000 stores in the US because of t-mobile i mean i'm cana sneakin sitting down to this and going to get one myself oh wow I've been considering it because I have the s8 plus Stein I'll keep the unit here no problem I won't sure that's the only physically buying it because this is my newest Android phone as the eight plus si plus and I don't know I've always kind of teetered on that line of wanting to buy the oneplus or not and having it available and and I shouldn't I know I shouldn't but having it available to finance to carry or just make it all dollars a month or I think the upper end the iron version is like close to $20.00 yeah something like that twelve dollars it was via trade and I think that's what Jules was trimming enough on I know I'm a sucker I know financing and trading in your phones is like the worst way to do things at least from a financial standpoint like I don't want to drop a thousand dollars $1400 on the phone and really truly five hundred and seventy five dollars yeah for anybody out there for anybody out there who's looking to get or to suggest a new phone for any of anybody in your families who have to be on t-mobile this is a compelling phone it's it is compelling to the max because it is not only an affordable phone but it does everything that the other phones tend to do and then some we are going to go ahead and wrap up on the oneplus 60 I know that Brandon has a bit of an out right now so Brandon if you wanted to give any final thoughts before you bid us farewell for today James Earl Jones please you guys are really you're gonna miss my delectable voice the new me Taylor learn to love it it's all right well I'm gonna drop out I'll talk to you guys later all right see you later man all right Jaime and I will get into our experience around the t-mobile / 1 + 60 experiencing a little bit later we're gonna do that during our break but for now let's jump into what happened just the day after oneplus did their announcement we're talking about the new Apple products so there was this like there's this invite that came out that had like this drawing of an apple on and they said knuth like more things are coming i think it is i think is what what they were saying on that invite but i actually watched the keynote and i are surely do you watch it there i was actually getting excited for the new macbook air like I'm using am a book X Pro right now so I'm I'm obviously into the Ultrabook life at the moments so I'm really excited I was really excited rather to hear what the MacBook Air had to offer and then I heard the words dual-core in a second wait let me and are you using the no scam right now no I'm not I'm using because I could turn it on right now if you want here let's say there's like anyway that doesn't know on the huawei mate book X Pro there's a little hidden cam that's at keyboard level so it's gonna be looking up here if Fe if I were to turn it on right now so I'm using an actual webcam and then my camera my actual DSLR is behind it wishing it could be used but for some reason I had technical difficulties anyway the MacBook Air smaller bezels it's faster it's it's it's lighter I mean it's a MacBook Air and from what I remember of the keno the main thing they were talking the entire time I just remembered laughing when I heard this they were saying and we brought the feature that all of you really wanted a Retina display and I was like that's the one everyone wanted like that's the feature that everyone was clamoring for on a notebook that should be available for creatives and for and for people who want to be artists I don't think so I think the MacBook Air sorry Taylor go for it I was just saying I've used a MacBook Air a recent MacBook Air and I don't know switching back to that display after having used a MacBook Pro and the 12-inch MacBook it was kind of tough so I think I think I think it has a lot to do with um like especially when I was photo editing and stuff on on the 12-inch MacBook comparing that to doing some on my sister's MacBook Air it was just it's just better like if you're using the MacBook for what we do it definitely matters but then again nobody's like video editing or anything on the MacBook area yeah and just a photo edit unlike the 12-inch MacBook or I'm sure this it's pretty intense especially if you're dealing with like real large images I mean this camera puts out yeah something like that yeah definitely um yeah I remember back one mr. Fisher well as I think I think in his last month's with you guys he was using a MacBook Air that I had everything and I thought he was a crazy person it was all he used the MacBook Pro for a year but he used the like a first generation act book here for a bit and that was if I'm not mistaken here that MacBook Air when we were in Eva yeah no I I used I used the MacBook Air for video editing for about a year and uh you know it was good enough it wasn't great no it was it was a 30 minute exploit that wasn't that bad and then I jumped to the MacBook Pro and I went from 30 minutes to three you know pretty much mm-hmm I was I was just thinking to myself you know cuz I've been in the market for a new laptop for all I've been using I know I'm finally you have been a newer one and I'm very happy with it so I was actually really interested to hear what the MacBook Air had to offer and like I said like it's an 8th gen Intel processor but it's a dual-core one and it's made it's it's one that was catered to dudes but that's the thing I mean the the the MacBook Pro the 13-inch barely got quad I wasn't expecting the MacBook Air to get to get anything of anything close to a quad like there's just no way forget it there's it's not gonna happen this is Apple and this come this computer is not triggered for creatives it's a business people's computer where you're gonna type in emails and stuff like that now now that being said you can use it I mean it's got two Thunderbolt three ports not even the new MacBook has that uh two Thunderbolt threes like it literally is like like a mini 13-inch MacBook Pro to a certain degree it's like a lesser version of that MacBook Pro it doesn't have the same clock speeds but you get two Thunderbolt threes you get touch ID which you don't get on the non touch bar MacBook Pro for example you know so there are a lot of things going for this computer like I would be willing to use a MacBook Air like on a trade show and not carry a macbook pro just because of the love you know it's 2 pounds less on my back but you know that's just me I know a lot of people that would swear by their MacBook Pros and that said where I prefer portability yeah that's kind of a said if I have at the moment I have the Ultrabook that may book and then I have an e GPU that for the last two trips so far I have had this EGP you set up in my hotel room ready to ready to do the rendering as I use this on whatever floor I'm on so I do get that there's some cover so so there's some to happens big GPU that I will admit exactly and that's really the probably the biggest point about this MacBook Air is if you want the extra horsepower you can connect any GPU yeah you know so that's one of the main reasons I'm like wow this computer is actually no slouch it is not but it's still a big ask for 1,200 bucks definitely the my biggest problem with that MacBook is the 1200 they're pricing it like the old 13-inch MacBook Air that's the thing I mean if they would have come up with the 11 inch which a for me an 11 inch MacBook Air with just one Thunderbolt 3 port and stuff like that I would have loved that thing yeah but still at 900 bucks at 11 inches that was I had one of those 11 inch MacBook Airs I really love that thing so I don't know I I guess the starting price is literally the same as previously with the old MacBook Air and I you know I think that they they have a purpose for it you know they're adding a lot of stuff that is really hard to find right now and a lot of like if you look at any $1200 you know regular Windows laptop Thunderbolt 3 is not easy to come by and at most you're gonna get one port at most you know and you're probably not gonna get the best display in the world I mean even that maple gex Pro that you're using Josh that thing is like 1,500 bucks yep mmm it comes to dedicated graphics it comes with a 6 core processor true that but it's a $1,500 computer and you don't have optimized applications for it like Final Cut Pro for example which is the other case you know it's not just the computer it's the fact that Apple does offer a suite of software that will take advantage of dude you can added video on a new MacBook if you want it's gonna take you an hour and a half to render that video but you can still edit it without background rendering yeah that's true I have I have toyed with the idea of moving to Final Cut Pro but I'm you know I'm happy with what I have right now but yeah for $1200 I I wonder where it's all hundred dollars I wonder who has who this particular MacBook Air is for and I think that I mean the number one the number one answer at least in my eyes is someone who had the previous one and wants the new like display and that makes sense to me but I still think that a 13-inch MacBook Pro even priced at let's say 1,800 that has dedicated graphics and a 6 core processor would have been like an immediate buy for me what I think is that Apple needs to wake up and smell the coffee about the MacBook the non MacBook Air that computers should not cost more than 800 bucks exactly like I get that there was a lot of R&D to create that computer and it took two generations but right now it's gonna be like you know the new MacBook is now gonna be $9.99 and then we've got the MacBook Air at $12.99 I feel that that that would have been a good balance right now the new MacBook is like it's still 1300 I'm like no I'm not gonna for a year and a half and just for writing mainly and I would have tweet but I would have bare or whatever writing app just a basic minimalist writing app and Chrome and that thing would just bog down right but you were using non apple applications we go back to the thing like it's it's like Windows with Windows 10 s and even so like I'm currently using that Samsung Galaxy book too by the way it arrived to me three days ago oh my god even running Windows from with the approve apps for Windows 10s even running slack on that thing is slow AF and it's a bat and it's a $1000 computer oh yeah all right well I do want to make sure we spend a good amount of time on the iPad which is why I want to ask for a hot takes on the Mac Mini here's here's one thought that I want to give out there for someone like me who's always looking for the optimized way of going how does this sound to you guys a Mac Mini bringing just that with me and maybe the Huawei just so I have an ultrabook to use on the show floor but if I want to do like the hardcore editing stuff back in my hotel room Mac mini HDMI into the TV of the hotel room how does that sound terrible you know the TV's is gone not bad that's these monitors are the worst like you get this resolution this is this is so funny to me though that like they make many computers okay Jill says buy a portable display I agree but still it's but why would I have the laptop thing is what I'm saying but the Mac Mini is it's a portable device not made to be portable that's the thing that drives me nuts about these kinds of products no everything I asked for - like an 8 Gen 6 core processor it has great storage options it has four Thunderbolt 3 ports so talk about your easy GPUs there's no butt butt-butt-butt see that's the thing I would rather carry Annie GPU and that's it okay fair you know I you you sold me on that I just wish EGP use weren't the size of my bike did you still need a new GPU with this Mac Mini though right oh yeah graphics 630 like yeah what is it what is it what is it with these I that's always integrated graphics I mean like again just talk about the me book it's just one example of it the MX 150 it is a it is a dedicated processor a graphics processor that can be put into these ultra books that they should have which is not really good let's face it it's not amazing but it helps it yes it's not really that great I mean I understand the Apple in the sense that you know what why require the extra space for the for the GPU if it's not gonna be great yeah that's true by the way I made just so you know the gigabyte horas it's the smallest easy GPU out there if you are interested and not sponsored just sayin the six core edition of the Mac Mini again does not come with dedicated graphics starts off at 1099 but it can some wouldn't explain to me this maximum edition that comes in at $4,100 like what is going on i I guess they I guess they had that Mac Mini server version which wasn't cheap yeah and you've already got your monitor and you want a maxed out computer call it on quote you can get that I mean instead of 10 Gigabit Ethernet 6 core i7 2 terabytes of storage on that thing and if it's still that small like wow you know how come you know I get it but I but I would rather buy a Mac but I would rather buy an iMac Pro for that amount of money and also get the display and the keyboard and everything because that's the thing it's $4,100 without a good keyboard or mouse or display you know so once you add up all this stuff you end up buying an iMac Pro yeah agreed alright so let's get into the one that the refresh that everyone was waiting for and talk about how the iPad pro may be pushing the envelope but also kind of step them back a little bit and by that of course I mean there's no more lightning port it's a USBC device and I see how me already was shaking his head okay so I I'm hoping if you listen to what I'm about to say I'm hoping that there is a USBC it's a lightening dongle yes cuz I'm so loaded with lightning accessories for iPads I'm like alright man could you just add two ports of that damn thing one USB see one lightning and make everybody freaking happy I mean you've got you've got the space that would make too much sense Taylor I wasn't expecting such a such a realistic remark for me right but if we're gonna do that they would probably charge another two hundred bucks just like add two ports two hundred bucks you know like there should be there's a hundred percent there's gonna be a USB seats of lightning because they did say on the keynote that you could charge your iPhone with it so of course it's gonna be USB see the Lightning they already make that that is true there is it no but but after but no but I need but I need a I would need the inverse connector cuz I have a male Lightning and we're talking that there's USB seats to mail lightning so I need email yes or female USB see no I would I would need me I would need mail yes sir male USB see two female Lightning is what I would need yes okay it's like my microphone my microphone for the daily requires a lightning connector and I prefer using an iPad because I'm able to see my waves on one side and the script on the other and it's just more practical but yeah it's sure I could just go back and use an iPhone instead but I would prefer using my iPad my iPad pro for everything that I currently use my nine point seven inch iPad pro you know they're gonna charge like $80 for that adapter right you're so optimistic I was expecting 100 but fine Belkin will wait six months and they'll come out with one for thirty so how do we feel about this I'm so so how do we feel about some of these other change on the iPad pro like obviously we have a better display again liquid retina as they love to use the Retina display terminology face ID there's no home button anymore uniform bezels the Apple pencil is magnetically docked on therefore for both just mounting and finally charging in a way that makes sense thank you yep exactly a 10 hour battery horrible idea yeah Apple pencil on the 12 inch I had a 12 point 9 inch iPad pro 2 Apple pencil and it's like this wide when you're just I know it looked like a painting cabin so it was the worse the Apple a 12 X this is a larger version of the a 12 so it has a has a lot of good processing put that thing on a keyboard you can do a lot of things that the Ultrabook can do actually so there are a lot of bits and pieces to this entire iPad pro ecosystem just to show how it can replace a laptop which I thought was funny they were like iPad pro store anybody who doesn't want a laptop but if you do here's a macbook air so they're trying to cover every base even though the they made it clear the iPad pro is probably their most celebrated device of this particular event but you're also still spending as much as you would on the laptop exactly I mean it starts at $7.99 but goes all the way up to 18 no no no so I did the math the one that I ordered is 1250 if you want the keyboard and you want the pencil and the 256 gigabyte iPad pro cuz you can't buy an iPad for 64 gigs I'm like seriously Apple like you just can't that's ridiculous well because they got Adobe up on stage for the keynote and all version of Photoshop on there which I thought was great but they need to optimize Adobe Premiere rush just came out whenever whenever Apple comes up with like a final cut light that allows at least three to four layers of video editing I would be like okay we've got an iPad pro now well Jules is a believer in rush apparently he just chimed in premier brushes great apparently I gave it a little try and it's got a limited amount of layer and you know it's like literally like iMovie no it's not it's it's like Windows Movie Maker almost Pro like almost pro but not there ah okay the biggest thing I need is photo editing but the the photo editing in Lightroom mobile now is fantastic to change your presets and stuff which is beautiful it's amazing but then again I just I don't know I still have a twelve point nine inch iPad the original twelve point nine and I love it I just maybe I've just got an old or cheap or the the impending doom of having my first child oh did I congratulate you on the cast yet about that like by the way I haven't been around in a couple weeks I apologize man it's made me that's a lot of diapers you know oh my god this is that that's like two iPad pros right there you know these did I get instead of a crib so who-who is this okay so hi Mia you actually gave you or example of why an iPad works for you you use it as your waveform and recording device for the audio that's one good example of how it's practical to have this large screen here who else is the iPad pro for if you have an iPad from before the new one yeah rich people serious note like the reason I got the twelve point nine inch iPad pro is because for the last four years my primary job has been writing I've been writing and not making nearly as many videos as I do now and I used it as a writing tool which is it's a very expensive writing tool but it's a it's a distraction-free writing tool like it's limited in what it can do and I used that as a benefit like you can do multitasking on an iPad but it sucks and I use that to block out a bunch of distractions and use it as a writing tool that is a good point that is a good point I love using iPads for writing scripts I just there are things where I like there are people that don't need a computer I'll give you the example of my sister she has never owned a computer all she uses as her phone for absolutely everything that she does from bank transactions to absolutely everything she does not know what it's like to own a computer so I know a ton of people for where you know computers are overkill all they need to do is respond to email browse the web I just feel that iPads got lost with this whole pro moniker where I feel that iPad should not cost more than five hundred files yeah that for me is the problem iPads and Chromebooks should not cost more than five hundred bucks and so it's very good no and so for me if like the whole composite of buying an iPad meaning the keyboard and the and the stylus would be eight hundred dollars it feel like it's it's an impulsive by I'm like yeah why not you know it's it's a it'll be that light thing that I want to carry to a briefing that I don't want to carry a computer and then I could also use it for my for my shot list and everything it's so practical that's me but I'm not gonna lie like we were discussing it with a Brandon and I'm like I think I'm better off with my existing iPad pro I don't feel a need to upgrade because of the price it is too much money for a product that's convenient but not you not fully useful as useful as a computer it's just convenient I also forgot the the other main reason I got the iPad pro is because I was camping and you can't just like move a bush out of the way and then in the tree there's a outlet here which I could charge with the solar panel but it's the anchor powerhouse oh yeah yeah a power but I can charge my iPad with a power bank to three times I can charge it with the powerhouse at 10 times or more I could charge my laptop maybe three or four times yeah that's that's the big thing there is USB power being able to charge things Mowgli when you don't have access to an outlet and that's the other big thing for me especially for like students if you're in a classroom and you need a laptop with with a if you need power you might not have that matter what classroom you're in you might not have access to that AC power but if you've got a power bank you're good for a day it could work that way I agree that was one of the biggest reasons for me buying that is it's not having to lug around a big power brick everywhere I went I just had a power bank toss it in my backpack and I could go for I could work for two or three days but I having to bring other charters with me yeah for sure okay um by the way I am looking in the chat James W agrees with Jaime in regards to your use case scenario of the iPad who you he also said that the iPad is still not going to be a replacement for laptops for most people pretty much all people really I'm still not going to get to that point Adrian Rozier says never been interested in the iPad sorry a bigger device is one thing but once we have a device for every single little category it starts to get a little ridiculous in my eyes like I would have loved to have something like an iPad but I already got the Ultrabook and I already have like in my case the pixel at the moment but I'm reviewing a lot of different phones so any of these phones that have come out in October so yeah I think I have most of my most of my stuff most my bases covered okay so we got through all of that we have the oneplus 60 and also the Apple announcements which happens back-to-back with that just like when we were covering all of those events we need to take a little break so we're gonna do that right now all right here we go couple of reads for this one the pocket not weekly is brought to you by the National Security Agency almost every day we hear something on the news about a cyber attack sometimes it's just a bunch of pranksters but more often it's a foreign country with vast cyber resources trying to hack our power grid our banking systems or our military's information networks the National Security Agency plays a big part in protecting our country from cyberattacks and you can help the NSA 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longer order yours now by heading to pocketnow.com / 1 + 60 alright and we're back as our little uh a little break occurs there we have our last let's say fifteen or twenty minutes of the show talking about man I don't really have a whole lot that I can or even wants to say about this one so over on Pocket now you can head over to the red hydrogen one review and drills are scrolling through that thing right now that yes Jaime's laughing this is what we're ending the show on is the over hydrogen what oh my god did you see it Michael had it Michael Fisher yeah you know run with it for a little bit I think was a Rick yes so what were your impressions let's start with that okay I what I thought was a okay just just by the way it looked the red hydrogen one seems like a Frank and razor because it has that like really blocky but then they added all of these like textures to the side and whatnot it's it looks like a branding nightmare because like it's almost as if red is trying way too hard to make this phone look different from everyone else because you want to know that that is a red camera a red phone now to make it look tactical yeah it's ACTA cold out that's the one tactical tactical attack to cool I think we have the name of our podcast now um the the other thing was that I'm trying to remember who I didn't turn it on but a couple of the people we were hanging out with who are using the phone turned on the 3d screen effects and I was like oh cool that's the feature I turned off on my 3ds like I've never I don't know I it doesn't do anything for me and from what I can tell the as has been the folly of many a phone company over the last over and pretty much throughout the history of smartphones when it comes to the camera it's not that the camera itself is bad it's that they don't know how to tune the software for it yet and it seems like that's the problem the biggest problem right now with the red phone the red hydrogen rather so honestly it's a phone that's trying way too hard to make it clear to you what it is without actually fundamentally making it what that is you know red four cameras this is not a great camera apparently so that's what I've been hearing at least ya know and if red is gonna make a camera and not or a phone and not make it the best damn camera around what's the point yeah you don't have they shouldn't have to explain what it is about this phone that that's so unique it should be red made of foam it's a really good camera phone if they did not hit that mark it's a failure and can you know what what gets me is like okay Taylor so you you've been as you've been saying out of the game for a while but you've been able to see the evolution of smartphones and what these companies have been able to do over the years of improving their phones and whatnot why is it so hard for a new player to come into the game and not already understand the lessons every other camera or every other phone company have have have learned like you just have to look at smartphone history to know don't do that or do this or do that it's like the used-car lot I don't remember who it was but somebody explained it to me it's a there are a lot of them around here and I'm sure everywhere in America probably around the world where there's this one spot in a Township or whatever that's a used-car lot it opens it's around for six months a year it shuts down because I didn't get any business so the next one moves in there like we can do this better and they're the exact same things happen and then it it's just like it recycles over it over and over and nobody ever learns anything and it's that same situation downtown Concord so I live in Concord North Carolina this downtown area there's this this shopping mall in the downtown area that's inside there are a bunch of shops in it and it's like one week there will be a Thai restaurant and then they're gone and then another Thai restaurant comes in and they're gone and another comes in and they all make the same mistakes and I can't explain why yeah because it looks like all the same all the same Follies are occurring with the red hydrogen right now case in point the very top portion of the review by the way everybody packing.com slash red hydrogen one review the red hydrogen one review each word has a - by the way so like segment those so head over to that review and the one of the top portions of it not only about the buying experience because red did not provide this unit he had to buy it is the whole modularity portion there supposed to be a camera module a battery module a 2d cinema module none of those wrong yet it's it's it's the it's the Moto's well then again moto Z it had modules available at launch this doesn't even have that and moreover to the point we're gonna talk about the story a little bit later that the titanium versions of this phone were completely flubbed up not even not even made available at the way that they wanted it to be and you know there's do you really go over to the go go over to the review like there's there's a lot to unpack here Jaime I think he needed a minute but are you back yeah and I'm back sorry about that so no like Adam had a horrible experience starting with the buying process like people pre-ordered and he got billed immediately and then didn't get a phone for a full year no emails no apologies no nothing to start with that and I think josh has paused is Josh Foster is he gone he's just so flabbergasted by that I know that's rough man that's rough like they should not charge until it shipped no that and that's the first thing in that and then Adam compares it to like the Nokia what the n900 I think it is from like five year at the n8 how old is that phone Jules is that 2009 or something like that 2010 it's 2010 2011 I have one somewhere yeah for install it so yeah near friends still exactly and so like it's literally it's like if it's like if the razor phone that I have right here the right shape it's like if the razor firm that I have right here and the Moto something had a baby and I don't think I've ever held a phone that's heavier than that one I have never heard how the phone that's heavier than the that than that red hydrogen one anyway I don't know them but it's Gramps it is horrendous ly heavy it's really bad and can somebody ping Josh I think he doesn't know that he's frozen I think he doesn't know that he's frozen yeah he's cool he's fully gone but yeah I 7 ounces holy crap that's dude that's more than half a pound that phone is heavy and so you'll say like yeah no but the iPad weighs one pound yes but the iPad is this big and so the weight distribution is far better on the iPad then on that chunky like it's funny when when Adam reached out and he's like dude do you wanna do you want me to send you my unit cuz he bought the phone do you want me to send you my unit for review and I was like no I don't after after holding it with with Michael after seeing that holographic photography I am like alright this phone is DOA like I'm sure that there will be fans from red that will bite and those same fans from red will not be I don't think they'll be stupid enough to keep it see I was also asked by Brandon if I wanted to take a look at it and yeah the reaction was like doesn't have an amazing camera because otherwise nope like it's it's a gimmick if it doesn't have a great camera yeah and for reference this is seven and a half ounces and this is heavy this is yeah it's just weight distribution is everything if you're gonna make a phone you can't make a phone that heavy because again it's just it'll give you your it'll give you pinky strain like whenever you're holding the phone to type it'll give you pinky strain it's too heavy maybe you need to do pinky workouts good point good point oh sorry guys my wife ice decided to reset itself for whatever reason okay exactly okay so it almost seems like everybody has these problems with the phone even the people who are trying to sell the dang thing because Verizon have gone ahead and Quarantine to their units the day before the sale was meant to happen so there's just there's still like there are people who are just saying that the phone is just going to be sold at a later dates but I'm being held people who want to Verizon wanted to get their phones they weren't able to and it's just it just seems to me like this entire thing like if there's any company that has the resources to be able to make this comfort that this phone come to market it should be read but look at all these problems that are happening right now so are we going to call this a DOA like is this going to be is this considered a deal wait are you calling it and calling it I'm calling it I'm sure that there are fans out there it's just here's the thing let me just put it to you this way a lot of people are like yes but the modules that are coming I'm like alright guys if the phone can you Larry ever worked it no but but that it's not just that if the phone can't even handle Android well if it can't even handle its own operating system well how are we expecting it to be any greater with with out of complexity yeah like it's you've heard it here folks do a look if you and you're like hey we've also got these attachments that you can put on and it'll make it even better no if it's not good enough without attachments it's deal way like I don't want to carry around attachments for my phone because even even the specific use case scenarios for a phone like the hydrogen one don't seem like it they're enough for people who own red cameras like could you see mkbhd actually buying this phone just to use it as a second monitor no I don't think you would use it as a phone I mean if there's just no point I mean if that phone worth 200 bucks I wouldn't buy it it's I'll put it to you that way phone is so bad if it were worth 200 bucks I wouldn't buy it like in and let alone if it's $1,200 and I think it's so much um I can get a far better experience not even a far better I can get the experience that a smartphone is meant to do with the 1 plus 60 I I would not even I'd like again I this is one of those reviews that I was like not interested no thank you whenever you've got like whenever you've got like generation for you guys let me know but this phone is like wow it's just all it took was five minutes with the phone to realize my god this is a very it feels like an early alpha not even a beta of a product yeah okay so the just to make sure we cover our stories here apparently the first production run of the titanium version is literally just not gonna ship that's that's that's other it's just they just said no I'm sorry like that's a very expensive mistake yep very expensive yeah he acknowledges the CEO Jim Jannard says that those who paid more than 1,600 dollars to reserve the titanium edition of the phone they're probably pretty pissed off and they're gonna be waiting much longer than the 14 months they've already had to wait for the phone like yeah when the CEO is already saying guys we screwed up I get that you're mad but what can we now and then you've got all like the image image processing improvements on the snapdragon 845 which the 835 doesn't have and so like you're using last year's camera technology and so people are like yes but the modules I'm like guys can we just let's let's accept one fact this is a phone phone the oh let's Mitch let's make sure that it can be a phone first that it's good enough on its own as a phone like if Jim Jannard would have been like yes but it's got a red camera sensor it's the first mobile full red camera sends boom I'm gonna be like alright fine I want to see that that I want we the only way that even remark ly a remote I'm a burglar remotely it moves the mark is if that sensor is about the size of this camera hump yeah I've been singing that forever like I think that there are companies out there like GoPro who already do great jobs with their sensors how come we can't just like shave that off and put it on the back of a phone read could have definitely could read could have done something like that something radical like that and I think Sony needs to start blurring the lines between it's you know rx100 and its phones yeah I mean if they could put a 1 inch if they could put a 1 1 inch sensor on a phone 3/4 inch half yes sir you know we're right now we're talking about like eight inch sensors yeah so tiny so if you can start building out a bigger sensor I would carry a thicker phone I would carry a phone that's twice thank you it's the iPhone 10 if it had a bigger battery and a massive sensor and I would I would be okay with it just being an OK phone and a fantastic camera I'd be okay I'm really happy you said that because I do want to I do want to just call out a couple of things going on in the live chat right now a few people are saying like you know you're seeing this about the red hydrogen one but what about the fact that you know you're just saying that the pixel 3 is so great when obviously it has so many different problems well this is the thing the red hydrogen one is failing on all fronts like we don't look past the problems of the pixel 3xl the knotch the display the software stuff like that yeah Android P the way it is right now annoying to use in a way those gestures I personally don't like them at all it is not the most optimized device out there you can look at the oxygen OS software it's for that kind of optimization yes there are problems with it but here's a phone in the pixel 3 that actually gets it right when it comes to a couple key things and one of them is camera if the case with the red hydrogen one we would look past all of these problems but it's not to doing that it's not actually killing the camera game as in anyway I'm trying to understand the purpose for the phone it's it's are you telling me that this phone has the capability of replacing a brain for a standard red which yes the brain is $20,000 on its own and so this phone will serve because it's a smart phone it's it's smarter than a camera brain technically if you think of it if that is the purpose for it and we're waiting on the sensor to attach which is what I've heard I've heard that they'll will there will be a red sensor that will attach to the film the question is then does the purpose of the phone mean that it's gonna become the brain if that's it and they just haven't explained it well or they have and I just hadn't I haven't paid attention well I just god I like how much are all those modules gonna cost and how is that going to be better than buying a Sony a7 three for eight hundred dollars more yeah that is the big question like listen people go buy yourself a one plus six buy yourself in a 7-3 and you've got two things that are really good on their own yeah that's what Taylor is using right now that's oh he looks so damn good I was supposed to use my GH five right now but the freaking I don't know I hopefully I'm better for next week or if I'm even here next week so here's a question that I want to pose to all of you like we have seen partnerships happen between companies camera companies and phone companies that have actually yielded great results while we like oh come to mind shouldn't have read just partnered with an established entity we're just right at which is read like like like you know which is read you know I think the Motorola did it right with the whole concept of the Hasselblad moto mod but then they screwed up in the implementation and so I think that read should have just created a module that attaches to certain smartphones and partnered with somebody but not try to make a phone yeah exactly Samsung I know Samsung makes some cameras but that's not their Forte Samsung should make the phone and read should make the camera honestly Google Google should have just gotten read into like their fold because if there's one huge problem that I just have a lot of trouble looking past with that one Pleasant with the pixel 3xl it is the audio pickup of the video the video is not bad but the audio pickup is terrible so if you were to enhance the video and then make audio better and then put red in there to like create codecs for the video that make it look amazing blah blah blah that would have been awesome like that kind of thing but there's just a certain level of we got this and clearly you don't so sorry red like point to our phones with all these mods and attachments turn into like the vlogger cameras you know I've been waiting for it I mean I've vlog with smartphones all the time and not one has actually proven to be the best for vlogging at in any case I thought the pixel 3 would be that phone because of the wide-angle front but the but there's no OS on it so it's always so jittery and the audio pick up is terrible so like I'm saying like the phone you know they're trying to push all these attachments and mods and and eventually your phone is gonna which don't exist we haven't even seen that's true but I'm saying you're gonna be holding a phone and it's got a detention on the top and then on the bottom on the sides and then you know it just it's a Franken phone right there the quality of it's not there it's a lot of waste of time and a lot of wasted money somebody should just spend the money on R&D and get it right and you know on the market with something that's half-baked and fast and you know what red in your defense we've got the Amazon fire phone you're not the only company that has screwed up a phone really badly so you've got that yeah but that was my question to Taylor earlier like there have been so many examples of these things going wrong and why wouldn't they make it so that they don't make they don't make those mistakes you know I would I would have loved situation I would have loved the USBC smart phone adapter ah $1000 USBC smart phone adapter then you can snap to any Android phone in a way you remember those Sony those Sony like attachments for experience but just work for experience it had its own separate sensor its own zoom lens and and if it would have liked it the equivalent of an aps-c or Micro Four Thirds sensor that you can attach to an existing smartphone red that should be your business I'm not making the phone I would buy that someone on the chat said Leatherman needs to make a phone you know I read I'll give you I'll give you this much credit I have I did not look at your phone I would have liked to but it's not like I even got contacted by you guys to actually get a unit or anything that I will tell you this though you are you're inside well I mean I just wanted to say like you know I could look at your phone it is actually going to come to market in one way or another at least you've done that whereas another company like touring never even got close to coming to market no so I'll give you that much credit so it the funny slowly attachments a few people were using them I remember I went to a couple trade shows where someone was using it to like record their content for the shows but now that kind of died been in there so yeah they weren't terrible they were basically where we are now with smartphone cameras like you know they were ahead of their time in that sense but they had to be this thick for that to happen but now we now we have it given phones like the made 20 pro and whatnot so it's good okay so we've been able to cover all of that I want to wrap this up in a couple I just want to check in on everybody one last time tech tober did not kill us thank God phone pocalypse we are definitely all really tired I know I am myself I'm behind I'm not behind on reviews like on my personal channel the you know but I have all of them to do still what's up next what are we looking forward to for the rest of the year it's the holiday season at this point is there anything coming up I mean sorry sorry I apologize I was interrupted for a minute what did you say I was I was checking what's coming up next like cuz I have a table full of 1 plus 60 mate 20 Pro razor phone the pixel 3 these are reviews I haven't been able to complete that it's Jame god it's it's been so crazy then I had issues with my pixel the razor phone didn't have final software the mate book the may 20 pro didn't have final software and we're still waiting for the final build of work behind not intentionally it's like you know it's it's the crazy amount of announcements in addition to the fact that some of these phones were in ship complete that all that's true it's becoming a bit of a cry and I know that there are publications that already have the reviews out if they want to do it with pre-production software that's great for them we don't do that kind of stuff we I would rather be late and not get the views but do the do the job right that's just me and that's just us oh yeah definitely and you know to to all credit to any of those other publications I have seen a number of different reviews that say by the way this is pre-production well updated if anything crazy how is then how is that a review well I agree you know what throw shade is all I'm saying you know I'm not trying to throw shade it's just it's just no and by the way this is not me throwing shade at other publications it's the contrary I mean I know that all of us have a certain amount of pressure and their schedules are probably tighter than ours oh and so it's like it's one of those things where it's like we need to get this review out because we've got so many more things to do you know all most of these are dealing with more things than just phones it's just the problem is you know when I read the comments and it's like like for example I did an opah find X video recently and everybody's like yes this review is horribly late and I'm like what do you want me to do oh they were only giving out China phones they reached out to me offering a China phone what am I gonna do with a China phone in the United States yes it's not gonna work so I was like send me the phone where I can wear it were to the United States and I will definitely review it and it took that long yeah but you know by the way that's the reason for a couple people in the chat right now we're asking where the me makes three is that was the Chinese SKU that I was using there you go yeah you know and and so and it's one of the reasons why I didn't even review them we mixed to us I did a hands-on but then they ended up sending me the final review unit we US software so late it was it was not relevant anymore I you know honestly I was I was I was even considering not doing that fine next review if it wasn't because that phone was so cool in my opinion and so that's the thing you know some people are like we have a horrible schedule coming up we've got more travel to do the reviews are gonna come up but they're gonna come up when we you know they're gonna happen but you know we we just we I hate rushing stuff man but it just doesn't work that way yeah and a few of them I know I know I would love to see your thoughts on the me a - honestly like it's an Android one device yeah the me a - I would love you to you later on but abut the highest-profile thing right now in Taylors a camp would be the iPhone 10 R which you can look forward to that as well and yeah on that note look forward to all of that there's a lot coming up you're basically gonna see a review like every five days so I think the the reviews are going to be coming out throughout November there is some travel still coming up I'm gonna be taking a look at a new Opel device in a week so like you can look I don't know if I'm gonna be here on the podcast for next week but we'll see what happens then and then there's a lot of stuff coming up after the words after all of that as well so at the end of the line of course there is CES so hopefully we're all gonna be together for that I think registration is open right now so that's something for us to do but yeah on that note we're gonna call it on this one the tacticool weekly there you go Jules put that into the script the technical weekly is as much a conversation as is a show so make sure you make your voices heard either in the comment sections or by emailing us the email address is podcast at pocketnow.com on twitter Jaime is found at Jaime underscore Nevada remember that underscore Brandon is Brandon mini man and Taylor is at Casper Tech that's Tek at the end I can of course be found at JV tech t and you know me I'm JV I love tech and I love to drink tea coffee this morning about still recovering from all of the phone pocalypse craziness but moving forward of course pocket now is at pocket now on twitter facebook instagram and youtube in english in espanol where you can find more news on the pocket now daily and pocket now at the audio every single weekday we'd certainly appreciate your feedback through Google Apple stitcher pocket casts or wherever you 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